Talk:John the Apostle

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I am aware that the Homeschooling article speculates that John was schooled by Jesus, but I feel for articles on the Apostles themselves, that we should stick to what is known in regard to categorization. Learn together 17:01, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

Agreed. HenryS 17:05, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

I don't know about other denominations or elsewhere, but most Anglican churches in England contain a lectern in the form of an eagle with spread or semi-spread wings. They can be made by a master craftsman in silver or bronze or brass, or carved from a single piece of local timber by one of the parishioners. My favorite is in the tiny church in Oare in the north of Exmoor, Somerset where Lorna Doone married John Ridd. (Haven't read "Lorna Doone"? - You should.) It's carved and chipped and fashioned from a piece of oak or yew by someone who loved what he was doing. (I know this because this is the sort of thing I have loved doing,)

The eagle represents wisdom and, as such, represents John. AlanE 23:18, 19 October 2012 (EDT)

Oh! and another thing! I have a photo of the Oare lectern, if someone wants to upload it. AlanE 23:56, 19 October 2012 (EDT)

Some say John the Apostle was a Jewish man, and that he was not a gentile.

"We have no good reason from Scripture or Tradition to think otherwise. Some of the Apostles had Greek names, but this was not uncommon among Jewish people in the eastern Mediterranean region of that time, given that Hellenistic culture dominated that part of the world.

In addition, the Apostles all worshipped in the Jewish temple with Jesus (presumably in the inner courts where Gentiles weren’t allowed), and they celebrated the Passover meal and other Jewish feasts with Him. So we can confidently assume, I think, that all were Jewish.

It’s also important to note that the first Christians engaged in some internal debate over whether Gentiles (non-Jews) should be baptized and allowed to enter the Church (see Acts chapters 10 and 11). If one of the Twelve whom Jesus chose as Apostles had been a Gentile, it’s hard to see how this issue would have arisen as a controversy in the early Church."- Source: Were all the the twelve apostles Jewish?, St. Catherine of Siena Roman Catholic Church website Conservative (talk) 01:47, December 22, 2023 (EST)

The Apostles were a diverse group who bickered among themselves at times. There is no reason to think they were ethnically identical, or even similar. Nothing suggests that any of them worshipped in the Temple. Samaritans celebrate Passover with their Paschal Lamb. The post-Resurrection debate about including Gentiles was not among the Apostles themselves. John had been ostracized by then.

The falsehood about a non-existent ethnic uniformity among the Apostles is unhelpful to the evangelism of Christianity today.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 21:46, May 21, 2024 (EDT)

The Apostles bickering at times is not evidence of John not being a Jew. People within ethnic groups do bicker at times.

Also, you wrote "The falsehood about a non-existent ethnic uniformity among the Apostles is unhelpful to the evangelism of Christianity today." Even if this were true (And I don't think that it is), logicians call this logical fallacy the appeal to consequences logical fallacy as it offers nothing to the issue of whether or not John was a Jew or gentile. Conservative (talk) 22:16, May 21, 2024 (EDT

There are 20 reasons why the author of the Gospel of John was likely a Samaritan, and not Jewish, as set forth in Mystery: Was John a Samaritan. The unhelpfulness to evangelism of insisting that every single Apostle had the same ethnicity is not proof in itself, as you say, but does suggest a possible political motivation by some (and certainly not all) for insisting on the falsehood.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 22:43, May 21, 2024 (EDT)

User:Conservative: just come out and say it. You think Andy's a dummy.