Talk:Tammany Hall

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"By extension, the term is applied to all Democratic electoral corruption." I did searches for "tammany hall", "tammany hall modern corruption" and "tammany hall modern democrats" and only came up with sources referring, the historical Tammany Hall, not anything modern. Therefore, the {{fact}} tag is justified. HelpJazz 19:03, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

The term often used for cirrupt machines in other cities was "little Tammany." For proof see google search listing of many examples. RJJensen 19:34, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

Democrat vs Democratic Party

I had never really thought much of this issue, but I finally went and did a little research on the subject. It seems that "Democratic Party" is considered the proper term (although it still isn't accurate). I hate to reference NPR, but they would know all about how liberals feel, and with an extensive, detailed article they explain why "Democratic Party" is correct, and "Democrat Party" hurts their fragile egos. [1] Although I have no qualms about hurting their egos, other sources seem to back up this argument. I've often used "Democrat Party" myself, but it seems I should try to avoid that in the future. --David B (TALK) 11:21, 8 January 2018 (EST)

Not me. I'm going to continue using the term Democrat Party to refer to them (and the use of that reference is picking up in popularity among the public) and I don't care how the Democrats (or liberals in general) feel about it. As the header in the Democrat Party article itself states:
Democrat Party is the grammatically correct term for the Democratic Party. The Party is not "democratic," and proper nouns like "Democrat" are not converted into adjectives by adding "ic" as a suffix. For example, it is not the "Republicanic Party," or the "Libertarianic Party," or a "Smith-ic Wedding." yet many Democrats bristle at the term "Democrat Party." and perhaps they prefer the false illusion that their party is somehow more "democratic" than other parties. In fact, the Democrat Party is less democratic than the other political parties.
Northwest (talk) 12:40, 8 January 2018 (EST)
Both "Republican" and "Libertarian" are adjectives that have taken a secondary noun form. Republican comes from the noun "republic", and Libertarian is from the French adjective form of the word liberty. But while somebody might say, I'm a Republican or I'm a Libertarian, people don't say, I'm a Democratic.
There is no political party in the US called the Democrat Party. The Party is the Democratic Party. The fact that it may not be very democratic in fact is an interesting irony, but it doesn't change the fact that that's their name. Not using it isn't consistent with Conservapedia's style. If you go to the entry for North Korea, you'll see that it's called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, even thought it's not democratic, it doesn't care about its people, and it's a republic in name only, being, in effect, a hereditary monarchy. This isn't about coddling Democrats, or worrying about hurt feelings (although I do think think you shouldn't hurt feelings unnecessarily). It's calling things by their name.
Finally, this is an encyclopedia, an educational resource. Let's say somebody comes to the Tammany Hall page who knows nothing about US politics. Which link will teach him or her more; one going into the history and beliefs of the party, or anot article that's only about why the party should be called the "Democrat Party" instead of the "Democratic Party"? How is that going to help the reader? If we want to be an encyclopedia, let's be an encyclopedia.--Whizkid (talk) 15:07, 8 January 2018 (EST)
Coddling liberal feelings shouldn't take precedence over simple facts (as the quote I provided makes clear). If anything though, to solve the problem you mentioned in the other part of your post, what could (and ought to) be done is to move the content of the Democratic Party article (with modifications made, such as changing "Democratic" to "Democrat" where applicable [except for quotes made by politicians and other public figures]) into the Democrat Party article and redirect the former into the latter. Northwest (talk) 15:41, 8 January 2018 (EST)
This isn't about coddling liberals. This is about you vandalizing the website in support of some false "grammatical" argument to justify your vandalism and deceit. And, not content with vandalizing just in this page, you're choosing to do it throughout the site. --Whizkid (talk) 15:55, 8 January 2018 (EST)
Excuse you? Using the grammatically correct name for the party is not "vandalism" as you claim it, it's removing the use of a term preferred by liberals. Don't go trying to start fights here. Northwest (talk) 15:59, 8 January 2018 (EST)