Talk:Coronavirus

Chinese experts who reported to the WHO claim the illness is spreading so fast that not enough technicians are trained or facilities exist to test for the disease. Further, only the most sick who report to emergency rooms are tested and treated first. Because of the incubation period, people without symptoms have to wait in ER waiting rooms. Healthy people showing up for testing then may become infected.

Because of the seriousness of this issue, I suggest avoiding (1) inserting panic type wording in the article, and (2) avoiding conspiratorial langauge of its origins (although it may in fact be a bio-weapon). Experts suggested (a) it has the potential of becoming a global epidemic, requiring (b) "draconian" restrictions on population movements. Educating readers on basic facts is crucial at this point; discussion on a "travel ban" will fall into place by its own in coming weeks and months without pushing a political agenda. Those who have opposed "travel bans" in the recent past will be left to hang out to dry without our help.

For now, lets concentrate on what the holy "scientists" and "experts" are saying. If it continues doubling every 6 days without public health intervention, my estimate is 7 million infections in 3-4 months. This is potentially as big a life changing event as 9/11 was, RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 03:21, 27 January 2020 (EST)

With a fatality rate of 3-5% of 7 million infections, that would 225,000 to 380,000 deaths in four or five months. The Guardian reports today there may already be 100,000 infections rather than the 3000 reported. We are on the verge of a real panic here unless we get a handle on facts quickly. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 15:34, 27 January 2020 (EST)

'Unclean' animals

Firstly, this is extremely problematic, to focus on the Biblical notion of 'unclean' as it ignores Acts 10.

Secondly, dooes the writer of this article advocate *not*, for example, eating pigs and shellfish?

In all honesty guy, does anyone in their right mind want to sit at a table and eat a bowl of soup with a dead bat in it?[1]

User: Conervative's response

East Asian atheists have live cats and exotic animals in cages in their food markets, which medical authorities believe likely caused the Wuhan coronavirus[2]. Modern, medical authorities in China are now using the Mosaic principle of quarantine to help contain the epidemic.[3] See: The Bible and health

If the Chinese, atheist leaders instituted better quality control in terms of a food delivery system instead of having a barbaric and cruel cat slaughtering industry, perhaps this epidemic may have never happened. See: Cat slaughtering practices in China and Dietary practices of atheists

China, which has the largest atheist population in the world, is now paying a tribute to Moses by having the largest quarantine in human history! See: China and atheism Conservative (talk) 12:22, 27 January 2020 (EST)

It may be a bio-weapon from Canada. It's too early to make any definitive conclusions on its origins. Because of the real imminent danger, the focus right now should be on informing the public on wcahat it is and preventative measures. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 15:23, 27 January 2020 (EST)

That camels are mentioned in the opening sentence of the article is.....a little odd. Some scientists have speculated that the disease jumped from a wild animal at a wet market, but that's about as specific as the published sources are willing to get. PeterKa (talk) 21:53, 30 January 2020 (EST)

Questionable Facts

This article needs work. Most of the assertions are made without the required references. Many are of dubious value. For instance, the claim, “There is no known treatment…” is false. The CDC lists treatments for the coronavirus. [4] The death claim, and the math associated with the claim, appear to be without merit. During the SARS-CoV outbreak in China, 2002, the death rate was 9.6% from 8098 probable cases. [5] --JLind (talk) 20:17, 28 January 2020 (EST)

Please, go ahead and expand. For unsourced claims add^{[Citation Needed]} or your references. Thanks. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 01:23, 29 January 2020 (EST)

The halls of the hospitals across China are crammed with coronavirus patients. And that's true not just in the cities that make the news, but in hundreds of other places as well. It was the same in 2003 with SARS. Eight thousand cases? That number has no relationship to reality. If the real infection rate is vastly higher than reported, that would suggest that the real death rate is lower than reported. PeterKa (talk) 22:14, 30 January 2020 (EST)

There will be 1000 dead by Sunday, 10,000 in two weeks, and one million in three weeks, according to the chart here. [6] This is "science"'s best estimates for a "novel virus" that nobody knows anything about. Of course, "science" right now is watching how fast people are dropping dead, as that is the only "research" they can do. Then, believe it or not, we have CNN, NYT, and WaPo to inform us of "facts" coming from the unquestionably reliable Communist government of China. Meanwhile, Medicare For All advocates lead Democrat polls, while the Chinese single payer system doesn't have trained technicians to test for the unknown virus, let alone enough masks or disposable hazmat uniforms for first respondents.

But don't panic, yet; impeaching Trump is still our first priority. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 23:08, 30 January 2020 (EST)

Coronavirus may ultimately prove to be the CCP's "Chernobyl". RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 00:23, 31 January 2020 (EST)

A puzzling sentence fragment:

• Prior to the government importing the virus from China into the United States.

Was this meant to blame a government, such as the U.S., for some deliberate or negligent act? I wish the text were a little more clear. (Could it mean allowing infected people to enter the country? --Ed Poor ^Talk 09:28, 22 March 2020 (EDT)

It's an Introduction to the next two citations (in reverse order):

• "Dr. William Walters, Executive Director and Managing Director for Operational Medicine for the Bureau of Medical Services at the U.S. Department of State, made the decision to bring the patients back to the US." [7]
• "President Trump was furious about the repatriation of confirmed infected cases without his authorization." [8]

It's an effort to get ahead of the inevitable blame game that fake news and NeverTrumpers will lay on Trump's doorstep (also known as 'spin narrative'). Now elsewhere we also mention the fact that 340,000 Chinese students are in the US, and that over 2300 flights left Wuhan environs during and after the Chinese New Year holidays, so that needs some tightening up to show that the US outbreak did not necessarily begin with the Repatriation of US citizens from China and the Crown Princess.

Ultimately, we'll lay the CCP virus or ChiCom Flu blame where it belongs. Here's two good cites in the past two days on that subject. [9] [10] RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 10:40, 22 March 2020 (EDT)

Snakes and alternative theories

Now that researchers have traced the virus to snakes, I would suggested cutting back on the "alternative theories." PeterKa (talk) 23:37, 31 January 2020 (EST)

The article says "might" come from snakes. More research may need to be done. Right now, they are probably focusing on coming up with a vaccine and slowing down the infection rate. I don't know how important it is in terms of coming up with a vaccine for scientists to know the exact animal type in terms of its origin.Conservative (talk) 00:17, 1 February 2020 (EST)

The Chinese are sharing information about the virus. I doubt they would do that if they were intent on creating some biological weapon. It is probably just conspiracy theory bunk. People come up with conspiracy theories sometimes when they don't want to take the time to think things through in terms of determining causes for things.Conservative (talk) 00:22, 1 February 2020 (EST)

If it stays, it's listed as a "bio-weapons theory", and stress on the theory part. And if it is indeed a bogus conspiracy theory - which I think it may be - stress that, too. Karajou (talk) 05:59, 1 February 2020 (EST)

Timestamp

• 4,846 views, up 2,600 from yesterday. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 14:44, 2 February 2020 (EST)

Methodolgy

When speaking about the number of reported infections, it should be qualified as "confirmed infections". RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 14:07, 6 February 2020 (EST)

Naming: It's a coronavirus, but not THE coronavirus

It might be a little late to point out a naming concern, but I don't know if this page should really be called "Coronavirus." A coronavirus is a type of virus which has "crown-like" tips. There are many strains of viruses, which are classified as "coronavirus." It would be better if we could try to be a bit more encyclopediac and professional about this, and use this strain's name, COVID19. The into to this article does a good job of pointing this out, but as you continue into the text, and especially as you look at Template:Coronavirus, you can see incorrect terminology. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 17:59, 17 March 2020 (EDT)

I'd change the title it to Wuhan virus or Wuhan coronavirus. PeterKa (talk) 07:09, 18 March 2020 (EDT)

That would work--I'd be fine with that option. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 18:15, 18 March 2020 (EDT)

I don't see an issue. The first words of the article are "Coronavirus is a family of several viruses", which makes the title accurate for this important page. If there is an issue, it is that there is no page specifically for COVID-19, which needs to be created. Progressingamerica (talk) 19:41, 18 March 2020 (EDT)

Good point. Coronavirus is te virus, COVID-19 is the disease caused by coronavirus. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 11:04, 22 March 2020 (EDT)

Eventually, we should separate coronavirus from THIS particular strain of coronavirus, but not just yet. This is a portal page to the current crisis.

When that is done eventually, it needs to be made absolutely clear in no uncertain terms - the term virus may be ambiguous or a misnomer. There certainly are two extremely different types of viruses in the modern world: (1) those that occur in nature; and (2) those engineered in a laboratory. So the thoughts conjured up by the term 'virus' itself in common usage and understanding are incorrect.

This is no way is 'conspiratorial' or quackery; in our modern world opium occurs in nature and opioids are engineered in labs. Which is responsible for 'the opioid epidemic' - God and nature, or science and laboratories? RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 10:57, 22 March 2020 (EDT)