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Debate: Have the gates of hell prevailed against the church Jesus founded on a rock, when He Himself said it could never happen? Did Christ who cannot lie fail to fulfill his promise? (view source)
Revision as of 20:24, September 15, 2020
, 20:24, September 15, 2020→The Roman Catholic Church teaches sacraments are workshttp://justforcatholics.org/a14.htm
::Fine. "''Working together with him, then, we entreat you not to accept the grace of God in vain.''" 2 Corinthians 6:1. Believe what God has said, and with confidence full of hope in him obey the authority of the church He built on a rock as His Own Body and Temple, the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth, led into all truth for ever by the Spirit of truth. Jesus cannot lie. And the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, in this world or the next. The weeds will grow together until the time of harvest, and then they will be gathered and burned in the fire. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 13:05, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
::Fine. "''Working together with him, then, we entreat you not to accept the grace of God in vain.''" 2 Corinthians 6:1. Believe what God has said, and with confidence full of hope in him obey the authority of the church He built on a rock as His Own Body and Temple, the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth, led into all truth for ever by the Spirit of truth. Jesus cannot lie. And the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, in this world or the next. The weeds will grow together until the time of harvest, and then they will be gathered and burned in the fire. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 13:05, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
:::I/S says, '''"obey the authority of the church''' He built on a rock as His Own Body and Temple, the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth, led into all truth for ever by the Spirit of truth. Jesus cannot lie. And the '''blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven..."'''
:::I/S says, '''"obey the authority of the church''' He built on a rock as His Own Body and Temple, the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth, led into all truth for ever by the Spirit of truth. Jesus cannot lie. And the '''blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven..."'''
:::You obviously have the church (men) confused with the Holy Spirit (God). You and Dataclarifier restate this erroneous teaching over and over again. This misconception lies at the heart of your faulty and erroneous understanding teaching of the gospel. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 16:21, 15 September 2020 (EDT)
:::You obviously have the church (men) confused with the Holy Spirit (God). You and Dataclarifier restate this erroneous teaching over and over again. This misconception lies at the heart of your faulty and erroneous understanding and teaching of the gospel. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 16:21, 15 September 2020 (EDT)
:"obey" means have faith. Why would anyone have faith in lies? And the Christian believer is not under law anyway. Does God command us to bow the knee to Satan? Satan is the god of this world.<ref>https://biblehub.com/2_corinthians/4-4.htm</ref> [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 13:06, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
:"obey" means have faith. Why would anyone have faith in lies? And the Christian believer is not under law anyway. Does God command us to bow the knee to Satan? Satan is the god of this world.<ref>https://biblehub.com/2_corinthians/4-4.htm</ref> [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 13:06, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
::It only seems like lies to you. The Christian believer is not under the authority of the law of Moses, but under the authority of Christ in the church rightly interpreting and rightly dividing the word (2 Timothy 2:15) and applying it according to the law of righteousness in the Holy Spirit. God does not command us to bow the knee to Satan, but to bow to the will of Christ the Lord who established his church which He built on a rock so that it cannot fall, for "''Every knee shall bow and every tongue proclaim to the glory of God the Father: Jesus Christ is Lord''" That is the Catholic Church, the Body of Christ, in which He dwells as Lord and Savior, and the Holy Spirit leading into all the truth forever, just as Jesus promised. And God cannot lie. Jesus did not fail to keep his promise that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church he built on a rock. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 13:25, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
::It only seems like lies to you. The Christian believer is not under the authority of the law of Moses, but under the authority of Christ in the church rightly interpreting and rightly dividing the word (2 Timothy 2:15) and applying it according to the law of righteousness in the Holy Spirit. God does not command us to bow the knee to Satan, but to bow to the will of Christ the Lord who established his church which He built on a rock so that it cannot fall, for "''Every knee shall bow and every tongue proclaim to the glory of God the Father: Jesus Christ is Lord''" That is the Catholic Church, the Body of Christ, in which He dwells as Lord and Savior, and the Holy Spirit leading into all the truth forever, just as Jesus promised. And God cannot lie. Jesus did not fail to keep his promise that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church he built on a rock. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 13:25, 28 August 2020 (EDT)