Talk:Conservative of the Year 2018

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For some strange reason, I get the distinct impression that Trump is going to win this...again. Not that him winning is a bad thing--he is doing an excellent job! --David B (TALK) 11:12, 7 November 2018 (EST)

I think so as well. The bigger question will be who should be the runner-up. I think the three most likely runner-ups are Brett Kavanaugh, Jair Bolsonaro, and Steve King, though I'm tempted to also add Matteo Salvini to the list. --1990'sguy (talk) 17:12, 13 November 2018 (EST)
I like Corsi. Tremendous courage. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 15:35, 15 December 2018 (EST)
I agree! He has actually stood up to these creeps, and fought back! --David B (TALK) 17:30, 15 December 2018 (EST)
So now the Daily Caller is reporting an embarrassing leak from the Mueller probe to discredit Corsi (which looks more credible coming ftom the Daily Caller). The whole thing smacks of another FBI undercover blackmail sting operation. which is why I (personally. and don't necessarily expect others to) stand by Corsi. He has too long a proven record of aiding conservative causes. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 17:42, 15 December 2018 (EST)
I'll wait for the full story, but it smells fishy. --David B (TALK) 17:48, 15 December 2018 (EST)
Here's my theory: Mueller and the boys told Corsi, "cooperate or this whole thing comes out;" of coarse, we don't know if Corsi was set up and compromised. It's obvious Corsi was targeted to be destroyed, like Flynn, like Manafort (Corsi wrote Swiftboats and Obamanation, which impacted every presidential election since 2004, so it's obvious he's a major target Democrats want to silence and destroy permanently). Leaking to Daily Caller is an attack on Corsi's fan base, which he needs for fundraising both to defend himself, and sue Mueller. But it's a decision Corsi made when he refused cooperation - the decision to allow the blackmail evidence Mueller had to come out. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 02:34, 16 December 2018 (EST)
Either way, the objective of Mueller and Democrats is achieved: Corsi is permanently neutralized and taken out of the game of presidential politics. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 02:38, 16 December 2018 (EST)

Kavanaugh

I suggest that Kavanaugh be demoted on (or even scrubbed from) this list. He, along with Roberts refused to hear a pair of cases on defunding Planned Parenthood, thus giving a major victory to that corrupt and downright evil company. He may be somewhere on the conservative spectrum, but I think this alone (not to mention his refusal to support Trump) should disqualify him from consideration for the title "Conservative of the Year." --David B (TALK) 21:14, 15 December 2018 (EST)

It's interesting; could be Kavanaugh felt a need to mend fences with the women's movement and prove he's not "anti-woman." It shows that judges are not beyond politics, unless you want to believe those who claim to adhere to principles are hypocritical liars.
If it's just politics, this wouldn't preclude Kavanaugh flipping in a future, different political environment. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 02:58, 16 December 2018 (EST)
Great points. Kavanaugh is being dropped to the "demoted" category.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 11:51, 16 December 2018 (EST)

Corsi

I see that Corsi has been moved up to #2 -- I disagree with this. While exposing the Mueller investigation's corruption is obviously good, many conservatives have done this (and there's also Roger Stone). Corsi isn't significant in any way compared to the other conservatives speaking against Mueller, as well as the other conservatives on this list. I think Jair Bolsonaro, Steve King, and Project Veritas (and others) have been much more significant, and several of them have won surprising election victories despite the massive opposition to them and their very conservative positions.

Bottom line: Corsi's a great person, but the winner and runner up positions should be for more significant people with more significant accomplishments in 2018. --1990'sguy (talk) 14:13, 16 December 2018 (EST)

There's much to be litigated yet (playing the Democrat game). I've watched hours of his youtube channel since the day he was subpoenaed back in August (incidentally, the timeline of his subpoena with the Daily Caller allegations make me suspicious of another FBI entrapment sting). I've watched him agonize over the decisions he's had to make. I watched in real time as the Daily Caller reported, "Several times through the show, Corsi recited the Bible verse Jeremiah 20:11.
"But the Lord is with me as a mighty terrible one; therefore my persecutors shall stumble, and they shall not prevail; they shall be greatly ashamed; for they shall not prosper; their everlasting confusion shall never be forgotten."
When he decided to fight Mueller, I was shocked. I thought he was ready to cow, but I know his faith in God led him to resist.
As I said, I don't expect others to share my opinion. But it's not the time to abandon him. He needs to remain in the running for 2019. Lighting the board (Win-Place-Show) would be nice, or running in the money (up to 5th place) is an honor he deserves. But an "also ran" snubs a true Patriot, Christian, and hero at a time he needs our prayers and support most.
And a shout out to Project Veritas who helped win MO, TN & ND. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 16:13, 16 December 2018 (EST)
He's a patriot for sure, but he's not significant in 2018 compared to the other entries. People like Trump, Bolsonaro, Salvini, Orban, or organizations like Project Veritas have had a significantly larger impact/accomplishments in 2018 (and they're all strong, consistent conservatives). We should give those people the recognition they deserve before giving Corsi 1st or 2nd place. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:29, 16 December 2018 (EST)
Here's Salvani in action.RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 16:38, 16 December 2018 (EST)

Flynn

Should Flynn be listed as a runner-up, or should he be demoted? It looked like he would avoid jail time, but Flynn refused to withdraw his "guilty" plea.[1] Also, this came after Trump wished him luck,[2] which (at least to me) only embarrassed the president.

Another option is combining Flynn's entry with Corsi's and Stone's, since all of them are mentioned specifically because of the Mueller Probe. We have a very large number of entries this year, so it might be a good idea. --1990'sguy (talk) 01:01, 30 December 2018 (EST)

Combining them might be a good idea. (The Flynn case is complicated; he can't withdraw his guilty plea for lying cause Mueller could then come back at him with a more serious FARA violation). RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 01:48, 30 December 2018 (EST)
Here's the facts of the Flynn case:
  1. It has absolutely nothing to do with Russia or Kislyk;
  2. the day after the election, Flynn signed his name to an article in The Hill written by agents of a NATO ally;
  3. the Obama administration was trying to over throw the government of a NATO ally;
  4. the Obama administration was refusing to extradite the perpetrator of a coup plot against the government of a NATO ally;
  5. the article in The Hill outlined all the facts;
  6. the article in The Hill can be construed as foreign lobbying;
  7. Mueller has now clarified to the court Flynn's lobbying ended after publication of the article;
  8. when asked by Strzok if he wrote the article, Flynn initially said "yes," for which he was charged with lying to the FBI;
  9. Flynn took the plea deal of admitting to lying in exchange for dropping the FARA charges. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 02:05, 30 December 2018 (EST)

So the Big Question is: Who was trying to destroy the NATO alliance, Obama, Brennan, Sally Yates, et al, or Gen. Flynn and Trump? RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 02:14, 30 December 2018 (EST)

Orban

For having the courage to boot Soros out the door. It would show a little diversity of not having Trump win two years in a row. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 21:45, 16 December 2018 (EST)

Melania

This is a good idea.

Here's a multiple choice trivia question. Who was the last Democrat heterosexual First Lady?

  1. Michelle Obama
  2. Hillary Clinton
  3. Rosalynn Carter
  4. Eleanor Roosevelt

Bolsonaro

While I'm OK with making Orban the runner-up (I think he's been a strong force for conservatism this year, and he truly had a strong re-election, winning a supermajority with record turnout when everybody thought he would win only a bare majority), I think the honor should go to Jair Bolsonaro.

Bolsonaro ran a very conservative campaign, at least as conservative as Trump's and even more politically incorrect than Trump (all in a country dominated by outright Marxists). While Orban won re-election, Bolsonaro won the first presidential election he ever ran in. Additionally, his victory came after 15 years of Marxist-socialist rule (note, the Marxists weren't replaced by a squishy center-right moderate like in Argentina, they were replaced by a very strong conservative).

Additionally, Bolsonaro has appointed a pro-Trump, nationalist, and anti-Marxist foreign minister[3][4][5] (the foreign minister is a very important position in the conflict between nationalism and globalism), and he appointed a pro-life evangelical to lead the family ministry.[6] The U.S. and Israel are still confident that Bolsonaro will make the right decisions on the Paris agreement[7][8] and the Jerusalem embassy.[9] --1990'sguy (talk) 10:21, 30 December 2018 (EST)

I'm good with Bolsonaro. I'm just not convinced there's a widespread majority conservative movement afoot in Brazil yet. The Panama Papers set off a series of scandals that swallowed up all the reigning Leftist stars in Brazil, Bolsanaro was somewhat of a beneficiary of a power vacuum by default. My only question is staying power. Sooner or later the Left will regroup, and if Bolsanaro has any corrupt elements around him, that will just even the score. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 23:07, 30 December 2018 (EST)
Bolsonaro seems to be the best choice for runner-up, as you say above.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 23:50, 31 December 2018 (EST)

Runner up

Looks to me like Jair Bolsonaro should be the first runner-up. Anyone else feel otherwise?--Andy Schlafly (talk) 23:48, 31 December 2018 (EST)

As I mentioned above, I think it should be Bolsonaro, though I can also support making Orban the runner-up. --1990'sguy (talk) 07:42, 1 January 2019 (EST)
It was a strong field of contenders in 2018. Viktor Orban is highly commendable but perhaps Bolsonaro was a bit more of a game-changer in 2018.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 12:18, 1 January 2019 (EST)