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First off, it's obvious that it's in reference to the political ideology often known as "Christian nationalism." Now, it is of great important to evaluate what the concept even is before assuming that just because the Dems state something, it must be terrible. If CNN recommended drinking plenty of water and eating more vegetables instead of deep-fried corn dogs, would any reasonable person consider that "fake news" just because it was CNN who said it?

The concept of "Christian nationalism" is an utter heresy antithetical to Judeo-Christian principles. "Christian nationalists" believe that patriotism towards one's nation and anti-government activism is serving the Lord, a notion which the New Testament clearly does not substantiate as moral. In Jesus's day and afterward, nationalism was high among Jews who resented Roman tyranny, but Christ did not focus on the oppression committed by the Roman Empire, but rather on the immoral hypocrisies of the Pharisees who exploited the Jewish populace. When a group of Pharisees sought to confound Jesus by questioning about taxes, He responded:

“	Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.	”
—Jesus (Mark 12:17)

The Apostle Paul, which Conservapedia considers as an ideological forefather of conservative principles, said in Romans 13:1:

“	Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.	”
—ESV

Paul also said in the Second Epistle to the Thessalonians:

“	Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.	”
—2 Thessalonians 2:3–4

Why did so many Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah? Because they, consumed in worldliness, thought that He would establish a worldly kingdom on behalf of Jewish Zionist nationalists and overthrow Roman tyranny. And take note: this very type of ultranationalistic sentiment, viewing patriotism towards one's nation as serving God, is at the core of "Christian nationalism"! So it's clear: "Christian nationalism" is a heresy.

So, how should one view the DNC resolution? Well, in complete honesty, this is a rare instance where they're right. However, one day, the entire world, except for the remnant church of Seventh-day Adventists and Messianic Jews, will join "Christian nationalists" calling for a worldwide Sunday law. This includes Catholics, apostate Protestants, environmentalists, atheists, economists, Republicans, Democrats, Independents, postliberals, antisemites, etc.

In this presentation, Pastor Doug Batchelor responds to a diatribe by "Christian nationalist" heretic and lunatic Greg Locke, who screeched in a rant against Sabbath-keepers, "there will come a day, it doesn't matter when, and it doesn't matter where, but it matters who!! You... will... worship!!!" Satan must have spoken through Locke, because the beast system, according to the Book of Revelation, will compel humanity to engage in false worship and receive its mark. SDA YouTube channel Bible Flock Box has similarly mentioned the link between "Christian nationalism" and the Antichrist.

Conclusion? Don't take seriously anyone who has any affiliation with "Christian nationalism." All these "right-wing populists" like Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Paul Gosar, Doug Mastriano, Michael Flynn, etc. are tools of the devil, the father of lies, to pave the way for the beast system which will persecute true Christians. In the contemporary spiritual warfare, there's the false dilemma presented that one must either affiliate with theocratic heretics on the "right" or neo-Marxist hedonistic anarchists on the left. Christians must reject both, which isn't that hard. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Friday, 19:34, February 9, 2023 (EST)

Doug Batchelor is a guy you can admire for his "churchiness". Even had me fooled for a couple of weeks in the 1990s until I realized he was preaching Seven Day Adventism (actually, I knew nothing about 7 Day Adventism until I listened to Batchelor and saw the bait and switch - "churchiness' in exchange for a gospel of works, denying grace).

Where does it say Jesus is our Sabbath? "when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down..." et seqq. (I can't emphasize enough how much you need to emphasize those two words, "sat down", i.e. rested. It is finished.

One more point about Batchelor's criticism, "it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe" which Batchelor calls anger and rage. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:33, March 7, 2023 (EST)

So, in complete honesty, this one instance where you're wrong. The DNC resolution does not condemn "Christian nationalism". It condemns "religious nationalism" (more specifically, "white religious nationalism"; it says nothing about "black religious nationalism" or "Jewish religious nationalism" or "black transgender religious nationalism", assuming "white transgender religious nationalism" is covered by the ban on "white religious nationalism" unless a "white transgender religious nationalist" identifies as a "black transgender religious nationalist". So where you get all the rest of this stuff from, I haven't a clue.) RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:20, February 10, 2023 (EST)

Final thought: Why do Christians worship on Sunday rather than the Sabbath? The same reason they violate the commandment at Deut. 8:10:

When thou hast eaten and art full, then thou shalt bless the LORD thy God for the good land which he hath given thee.

My question is, Why don't Seven Day Adventists pray after they eat rather than before? The answer, I suspect you will find, is the same reason most Christian denominations worship on Sunday, and not Saturday. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:51, March 8, 2023 (EST)

verse 7 of 2 Thes 2: the mystery of lawlessness is already at work

What does that mean? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:48, February 9, 2023 (EST)

It's in reference to rebellion. The Apostle Paul in 2 Thesslalonians 2 is clearly referencing populist, anti-government activism embodied most evidently by the 2020 left-wing insurrection and the 2021 U.S. Capitol insurrection. What is the restrainer Apostle Paul refers to? Probably government. When Jewish nationalists resisted the Roman Empire in the Jewish–Roman Wars, the first of which was started by Judas of Galilee (moral of the story: naming one's son Judas is a bad idea), God wasn't on their side, and Judea was obliterated. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Friday, 19:54, February 9, 2023 (EST)

he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost

You speak as if 2 Thes 2 is some future event, whereas it is speaking directly to you, now. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:00, February 9, 2023 (EST)

Well yeah, the Antichrist beast system will be established as a result of current chaos unfolding now. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Friday, 20:02, February 9, 2023 (EST)

Would you agree that rebellion against God is rejection of the word of God? (or 'Word of God', take your pick, it doesn't matter) RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:07, February 9, 2023 (EST)

Yep, just as I could've expected, you will persistently attempt to derail this discussion into a cascade of semantics bickering disguised as interpreting the meaning of Scripture. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Friday, 20:11, February 9, 2023 (EST)

I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:14, February 9, 2023 (EST)

And that's a message you hypocritically cite. "Judge not, that you be not judged." —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Friday, 20:16, February 9, 2023 (EST)

he who letteth will let

What does that mean? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:20, February 9, 2023 (EST)

I guess your own understanding of the Bible isn't very strong, hence why you feel the need to ask me... and despite this, you often talk as if you know more about Scripture than I do. So which is it? —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Friday, 20:23, February 9, 2023 (EST)

Is not Aaron thy brother?

I am going to expand on this. Exodus 4 says,

10 And Moses said unto the Lord, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.....13 And he said, O my Lord, send, I pray thee, by the hand of him whom thou wilt send. 14 And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Moses, and he said, Is not Aaron the Levite thy brother? I know that he can speak well.

Exodus 33 says,

12 And Moses said unto the Lord, See, thou sayest unto me, Bring up this people: and thou hast not let me know whom thou wilt send with me. Yet thou hast said, I know thee by name, and thou hast also found grace in my sight.

Now, before you get off into this Paul Gosar is the anti-Christ and whatever other crazy stuff you post here, explain to me the significance of these two passages and their relationship to the New Testament. Was Aaron the second messenger God sent before the people? and if not, who was? And how do we know? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:15, February 10, 2023 (EST)

And how are these passages important in understanding New Testament grace (versus law)? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:17, February 10, 2023 (EST)

Ok, let's get back on track before you derailed this simple conversation:

Will you agree that rebellion against God is rejection of the Word (or word) of God? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:26, February 9, 2023 (EST)

You derailed this conversation, and now accuse me of having supposedly "derailed" your irrelevant drift. The irony! You never once in this discussion directly addressed the subject matter at hand about "Christian nationalism." —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Friday, 20:30, February 9, 2023 (EST)

Is rebellion against God rejection of God's word? Yes or no? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:33, February 9, 2023 (EST)

[EC] [EC] You know very well, just as I do, that you're not posing such questions in good faith, but rather for the purpose of senseless antagonisms. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Friday, 20:37, February 9, 2023 (EST)

Strike two. Is rebellion against God rejection of God's word? <get's ready to shake the dust from my feet> RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:40, February 9, 2023 (EST)

Your "strikes" are as weightless as your shadow. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Friday, 20:41, February 9, 2023 (EST)

I'll pray for you that you are delivered from Satan's snare. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:44, February 9, 2023 (EST)

Nice gaslighting attempt, but I'm not so easily convinced that comsymps, Putin defenders, white supremacist shills, liars, deceivers, vandal defenders, hypocrites, charlatans, concern trolls, and ad hoc propagandists (wow, what a coincidence, these so happen to be applicable in describing your record) have proper discernment to determine who is and isn't snared by Satan. You don't fool me anymore, RobSmith. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Friday, 20:51, February 9, 2023 (EST)

"I thank thee, Lord, that I am not like others who worship on Sunday" - once you realize that is rejection of the word of God, God might have a use for you. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:38, February 9, 2023 (EST)

Back to 2 Thes 2. This verse:

that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed

I am going to rewrite it so LT can understand it:

that day will not come, unless LT's rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed

Now I'm going to ask a simple question one more time: Is rebellion rejection of God's word? or you can flip it: Is rejection of God's word rebellion? This should not be too hard to answer. Adam and Eve found out when they rebelled and rejected God's word. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 05:23, February 10, 2023 (EST)

No answer. I am going to expound further on 2 Thes 2 and other passages of scripture, rather than profess this crazy stuff that Mike Flynn is the anti-Christ, by rewriting certain passages so LT can understand:

know ye not that LT's body (assuming LT is a Christian) is the temple of the Holy Ghost

Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion (i.e. rejection of God's word) comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God (i.e. LT's body), proclaiming himself to be God.

So before you go off on Gosar, MTG, Flynn, 'Christian populism' or whatever other 'doctrines of deceit' you wish to preach and publicly espouse, I think you need to clearly state that you believe Adam and Eve's first sin was rejecting God's word, thereby rebelling against God. This ain't rocket science. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:03, February 11, 2023 (EST)

Addendum: being that LT clearly has rejected the doctrine of 'once saved, always saved", it is not preposterous to assume that LT's body could have at one time been the temple of the Holy Ghost, but because of LT's rejection of the word of God, the man of lawlessness was revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in LT's body, proclaiming himself to be God, i.e. worshipping and serving the creature more than the creator.

The only way out of this conundrum would be to accept the doctrine of 'once saved always saved', and then LT wouldn't have to worry about the man of sin, lawlessness, and destruction booting him out of the temple of God and going back to worshipping himself (the creature) more than the creator. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:10, February 11, 2023 (EST)

I may be simplifying this matter, but Christian nationalism seeks two things: 1) The government to indicate that the country is a Christian country. 2) Laws that enforce Christian morality and/or practices (anti-abortion law, anti-homosexuality laws, Sunday laws, anti-blasphemy laws, etc.). On the other hand, in the West, advocates of the religion of secular humanism, liberal Christianity or related religions/ideologies want evolutionism, homosexual agenda, etc. to be advanced by the state. It is a culture war.

In colonial times, I know that it was common in the USA for each state to have a form of Christianity and the power of the state was commonly used to enforce that type of religion. One/an exception was Pennsylvania due to the influence of William Penn who was a Quaker who advocated religious freedom.

In European history, it was common for various countries to use the power of the state to enforce a particular religion. To a certain degree, this still happens due to state churches, laws that have the effect of enforcing some of the doctrines of the religion of secular humanism to a certain degree (Germany does not allow homeschooling and teaches evolutionism in schools).

In countries where Eastern Orthodox Christianity is the main religion, there is commonly close ties between church/state. Conservative (talk) 00:09, February 10, 2023 (EST)

AHA, you just said: "Christian nationalism seeks... Laws that enforce Christian morality and/or practices... Sunday laws." Given that an international Sunday law has been identified as the upcoming mark of the beast, you quietly admitted that "Christian nationalists" are ostensibly serving Satan's agenda. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Friday, 15:56, February 10, 2023 (EST)

German churches are supported by the government, and taxpayers must pay a Church Tax. True, there is no official state religion, but Churches must jump through hoops to qualify for the government payroll, be it Lutheranism, Roman Catholicism, Asarte (Odinism), or Satanism. Even atheists have to pay the Church Tax I think.

The BRD instituted this law to separate themselves from Nazism and Communism, I guess. After WWII, there was a social stigma attached to atheism in West Germany, but not in the East. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:59, February 10, 2023 (EST)

"Woke Liberals PANIC as Christian Nationalism SURGES across the USA"—seriously?

Right now some of you perhaps believe that the religious Christian Nationalist dimension of the populist right will usher the U.S., and perhaps the whole word even, in a godly utopia. But what does the New Testament say on the matter? Here was Jesus's answer to Pilate:

“	My kingdom is not of this world.	”
—John 18:36

The god of this world is the devil, per 2 Cor. 4:4. History has shown that efforts to form a utopia ultimately result in genocidal mass murder, be it atheistic Communism or fanatical theocracy. The political ideology deemed "Christian Nationalism" is a tool of the devil to prepare for the rise of the false prophet of Revelation, aka the second beast, which will reiterate the blasphemies of the Antichrist and enforce false Sunday worship.

All these apostate Protestant and "traditionalist Catholic" right-wing populists who pave the way for theocratic neopapal tyranny, thinking that they are serving the will of God, will be in for a rude awakening when they are wiped out by either the seven last plagues or the second return of Jesus, and notice in their next conscious thought that they are resurrected outside the New Jerusalem. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Saturday, 22:41, February 17, 2023 (EST)

Also, it's time to stop thinking that Christian Nationalism, at its core, is truly right-wing. Similar to the political ideology of the Second Ku Klux Klan, it seeks to use big government to enforce strict moral laws and compel individuals by force to comply, rather than following the true gospel of winning over hearts. It's essentially a brainchild of the Social Gospel. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Saturday, 22:50, February 17, 2023 (EST)

Wow. Sounds like "strong delusion", kinda like thinking a boy can become a girl. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:58, February 17, 2023 (EST)

An actual example of "strong delusion" would be thinking that theocratic tyranny will usher the country in a utopia. If you persistently close your mind and harden your heart into refusing to see with your own eyes that "Christian Nationalism" will expedite the formation of the false prophet and result in Satan's final great persecuting power, it'll be too late by the time you learn on Final Judgment when you're outside the holy city. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Saturday, 23:03, February 17, 2023 (EST)

My question is, is God sending them "strong delusion" a future event, or something that has happened in the past and may be or is happening right now? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:21, February 17, 2023 (EST)

I mean, short of thinking yourself is God (worshiping the creature more than creator, he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God), thinking a boy can become a girl is next level strong delusion. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:24, February 17, 2023 (EST)

To speed this discussion along, you keep talking as if the anti-Christ, mark of the beast, etc etc etc is some future event. It's not. It is right before you here and now. Ellen G. White and the First Adventists suffered from strong delusion. Your failure to recognize 2 Thes 2 is not speaking about future events, but about your own rebellion against God by not accepting God's word and God's grace. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:34, February 17, 2023 (EST)

Once you accept Christ, you have been resurrected from death to life. For a Christian, the resurrection is not a future event. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:38, February 17, 2023 (EST)

That which is flesh is flesh, that which is spirit is spirit.

It is the spirit that gives life.

The flesh profiteth nothing.

To be carnally minded is death.

You're barking up the wrong tree looking for a fleshly resurrection. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:32, February 19, 2023 (EST)

LT, you wrote: "History has shown that efforts to form a utopia ultimately result in genocidal mass murder, be it atheistic Communism or fanatical theocracy. "

My rebuttal: Christians, especially Protestant Christians, don't do utopias. Why? Because we believe that most men are sinners (The gate of destruction is wide and narrow is the road to heaven). And many Christians believe in original sin. And some Protestants believe in total depravity (Calvinists) and John Wesley who founded the Methodists believed in very near total depravity. You can't have a utopia with a lot of flawed people - namely sinners. Conservative (talk) 18:11, February 19, 2023 (EST)

Amen. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:15, February 19, 2023 (EST)

It is the secular left that engaged in mass murder in the 20th century (The secular right such as libertarians did not). Conservative (talk) 18:11, February 19, 2023 (EST)

Yah, and spreading anti-Christian lies and propaganda such as LT latched onto. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:15, February 19, 2023 (EST)

No, silly, I'm denouncing apostasy, not Christianity. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 18:17, February 19, 2023 (EST)

Are you seriously going to flat-out ignore the loads of apostate Protestants who are denouncing separation of church and state and are clamoring for a theocratic iron fist of government tyranny? According to a poll, more than half of registered Republicans now support Christian Nationalism, which amounts to millions who adhere to the heretical teaching. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 18:17, February 19, 2023 (EST)

One of the reasons why the USA has a separation of powers and checks and balances is due to its Protestant influence. If most men are sinners, then you need to limit men's powers via separation of powers and checks and balances. Conservative (talk) 18:19, February 19, 2023 (EST)

LT, the USA Constitution says CONGRESS shall not establish a religion nor prevent the free exercise thereof. But in the separate states did establish religions (For example, like Puritanism in one or more states. I am not sure of the particulars. Anyways the USA Constitution has a lot of Enlightenment ideas that I disagree with. It is not a perfect constitution, but far better than most constitutions. Conservative (talk) 18:24, February 19, 2023 (EST)

Yes, and it's the Christian Nationalists who are trying to undo the biblical principle of separation of church and state so they can install an apostate theocracy mandating Sunday observance. Yes, the U.S. was founded on republicanism and authentic Protestant values, but is turning away from such principles towards apostate Protestantism. The Apostle John wrote:

“	Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon.	”
—Rev. 13:11

Once Christian Nationalists gain power, they'll institute a Sunday law and initiate the mark of the beast. The U.S., once lamb-like in its initial championing of religious liberty (even then, state and local blue laws, often with antisemitic effects, have been instituted for a long time), will speak as a dragon in a future national Sunday decree. Don't you see? —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 18:20, February 19, 2023 (EST)

I am not aware of any Bible verses advocating a separation of church and state. I think you are out in left field on this one. Conservative (talk) 18:28, February 19, 2023 (EST)

The disciple and evangelist Mark recorded in his Gospel:

“	Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they marveled at him.	”
—Mark 12:17

—LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 18:29, February 19, 2023 (EST)

Yes, the current law says that Congress can't establish a state religion. So the law will eventually be changed, probably with a constitutional amendment, to allow for a national Sunday law. And if you think that's impossible, take a look at 2 Corinthians 4:4 and remember who the god of this world is. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 18:28, February 19, 2023 (EST)

30% of the USA are Christian nationalists according to the data cited by Turley. That is a big voting block. So Christian nationalists already have power. And post 2050 when secularism plateaus and desecularization begins, Christian nationalists will keep gaining more and more power - barring the great falling away prophesied in the New Testament happening. Conservative (talk) 18:34, February 19, 2023 (EST)

A constitutional ammendment? Really? That takes a big majority to pass. So that is likely far down the pike if it happened. Conservative (talk) 18:37, February 19, 2023 (EST)

If the majority of a country can be persuaded that interracial marriage should be illegal (for much of U.S. history, most of the population opposed "miscegenation"), or that federal efforts to protect civil rights should be ended (towards the end of Reconstruction, most of the North opposed federal enforcement against Louisiana Democratic insurrectionists who overthrew the Kellogg government), or that women should be allowed to kill their own children (modern times), or that homosexual "marriage" should be sanctioned by the state, etc., then yes, the same country ultimately can pass a law mandating Sunday worship. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 18:43, February 19, 2023 (EST)

No, Christian Nationalists themselves are among the falling away. There will be no supposed 2050 utopian ascension ushered by the Christian Nationalists, because by then the world would likely have already ended because the said apostate Protestants, serving the will of old Papal Rome, brought about the last stages of the end times and Jesus would have returned subsequently. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 18:39, February 19, 2023 (EST)

That's just more neocon Nazi agitprop. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:41, February 19, 2023 (EST)

You don't understand the terms you're throwing around. OTOH, I do. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 18:43, February 19, 2023 (EST)

You're right. I don't understand the terms you use. Sounds like a bunch of balderdash. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:45, February 19, 2023 (EST)

That's only because you failed to think critically and failed to understand the truth evident in front of your very eyes. The Apostle John wrote of testimonies which one knows is true (John 21:24, 3 John 12), and the Apostle Paul said that the wicked suppress the truth in their own unrighteousness. (Romans 1:18) Now, obviously my word isn't on par with the inspired word of God by John the Apostle, though you get the point. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 18:49, February 19, 2023 (EST)

Let's take your usage of the term, "Sunday blue laws", which is based upon a SCOTUS ruling after the repeal of the Prohibition. Like the setting aside of Roe v. Wade, SCOTUS ruled that individual states, counties, and municipalities can regulate liquor sales on Sunday (or even ban liquor sales completely). Where you come up with the rest of this stuff, I have no idea.

Additionally, if a municipality or state mandated you to worship on Sunday, wouldn't you be bound to do so based on your reading of Rom. 13:1: LT: "The Apostle Paul, which Conservapedia considers as an ideological forefather of conservative principles, said in Romans 13:1:"

“	Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.	”
—ESV

? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:57, February 19, 2023 (EST)

LT, needs to address the BIG failed prophesy of the end of the world by the Seventh Day Adventists and why the woman Ellen White had undue influence among many in the church. Conservative (talk) 18:48, February 19, 2023 (EST)

Explain about the significance of the year 1844 and the heavenly sanctuary – Amazing Facts —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 18:51, February 19, 2023 (EST)

It was a big failure LT. You can try to put lipstick on that pig, but it is still a pig. Conservative (talk) 18:55, February 19, 2023 (EST)

Failure? I think you're simply misunderstanding the nature of the prophecy, similar to how the Judean leaders rejected Jesus. They believed that the literal temple would be destroyed and raised in three days, when it was actually in reference to Jesus's own body, as He himself made clear. Of course, no prophet, including Ellen G. White, is on par with Christ, though my point is that you're evidently sharing the mentality of the Jewish leaders of Jesus's days in seriously miscomprehending a few things, to put it mildly. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 18:59, February 19, 2023 (EST)

oh no, he's not going to try to defend it now, is he?..... RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:03, February 19, 2023 (EST)

"sharing the mentality of Ellen G. White". That's a good one. RobS^{Give Peace a chance}

That's what you just said, not me. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Monday, 19:40, February 19, 2023 (EST)

Let's go back to your reading of Romans 13:1:

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

What makes you think you can defy the Law of God, if enough people vote democratically to elect a city council that bans liquor sales on Sunday and mandates Sunday worship? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:00, February 19, 2023 (EST)

<hurry up with your answer, cuz I got an even better question for you.>

Screw it. Here goes:

Is the government of Ukraine, established by the US government with Nazi traitors to Ukraine, "instituted by God"? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:09, February 19, 2023 (EST)

So much for sexual morality—"right-wing" populism is closer to godless Marxism than you think!

Moved to: Talk:Conservative populism

Who would've thought Trump was such a Communist?

After all, I thought only Marxists would support defunding law enforcement.

This lunatic cult of "right-wing populists," who are merely brainchild descendants of old-school progressives, perhaps ought to read up on basic history. During Jesus's time extending to a century afterward, Jewish nationalists who rejected His message that "my kingdom is not of this world" (John 18:36) thought it wise to violently overthrow the Roman authorities, and the subsequent anarchic environment facilitated atrocities a magnitude worse than the tyranny of Pagan Rome. Our contemporary banditti of "Christian Nationalists" who seek to overthrow the U.S. government and establish an earthly utopia are repeating the same mistakes of Jewish nationalists two millennia ago, and are reserving for themselves eternal punishment. (2 Peter 3:7, Jude 13) —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Wednesday, 10:58, April 5, 2023 (EDT)

"right-wing populists" are descendants of old-school progressives? "right-wing populists" support the income tax? That's an interesting fact. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:39, April 5, 2023 (EDT)

""Christian Nationalists" who seek to overthrow the U.S. government..."

What propaganda trough are you feeding off these days? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:55, April 5, 2023 (EDT)

This video (and channel as a whole) brilliantly exposes and documents the rise of Christian Nationalism in current phases of apostate Protestantism. And due to the corruption of the Democrats, the Republicans will eventually take power and institute theocratic totalitarianism. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Thursday, 21:00, April 5, 2023 (EDT)

From 3 Angels network, January 8, 2021:

"On Wednesday, January 6th, 2021, the country and the world watched with horror as the Capitol Building in Washington D.C. was assaulted by thousands of people protesting the results of the 2020 election. Since that day Christian Nationalism has been on the rise and you need to understand where this is headed."

Dang, I thought it was an FBI false flag event, not a so-called "Christian Nationalist" event.

Now, since you are hellbent on rejecting the gospel of grace in favor of law, and you make prophetic statements such as, "Republicans will eventually take power and institute theocratic totalitarianism", let me remind you this fundamental precept of the Law of God:

the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die. 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him."

So, if you choose to follow the path of law-keeping and reject God's grace, I'd be terribly careful about speaking presumptuously. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:19, April 5, 2023 (EDT)

“	If you love me, you will keep my commandments.	”
—John 14:15

“	Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.	”
—Romans 3:31

“	Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him.	”
—1 John 2:4

“	You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.	”
—James 2:24

You might want to actually read the Bible thoroughly. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Thursday, 23:24, April 5, 2023 (EDT)

Okay, what are saying? Salvation is a merit system earned by works, making the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross of no effect? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:36, April 5, 2023 (EDT)

And what are his commandments?

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

Hmmm, I guess Moses and God must've forgot that one in the OT.

For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light

but Paul says,

And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

Reconcile for me those two passages, please. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:47, April 5, 2023 (EDT)

You've had decades of time more than me to comprehend the consistency of Scripture; it's not my responsibility to elaborate every single basic fact to you. Also, if you're denying the straightforward meaning of James 2:24, guess who's really denying God's word? —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Thursday, 23:59, April 5, 2023 (EDT)

What you do not seem to grasp is, the Christian does not obey or follow the law because he is commanded to do so at the threat of hell.^[1] The Christian obeys (or attempts to obey) the law because it is the desire of his heart, in the fiber and core of his very being, in much the same way Jesus says, For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:58, April 5, 2023 (EDT)

Go back and re-read Job (the oldest book of the Bible). Satan essentially insults God, calls him a pimp, and says Job only follows God cause Job is God's paid prostitute. So God breaks down the hedges around Job and allows Satan to attack him to test Job. But Job refused to curse God. Why? Cause Job was commanded not to? Because the law forbid it? Not hardly. Job was "perfect and upright"; Peter said, for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Okay, then explain how Job was declared "perfect and upright" long before Jesus was born (numerous other illustrations in the OT). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:10, April 6, 2023 (EDT)

Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee....

God is not looking for a bunch of dogooders to follow him (for verily, they have their reward); he's looking for repentant sinners. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:04, April 6, 2023 (EDT)

On this Easter Sunday I've been thinking a lot about this scripture:

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

One big sin of I have to be mindful of relapsing into is criticizing the church - they make it too easy to do. As one whom God has seen fit to resurrect from the dead, bear in mind:

My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

So when a group of believers make their doctrinal foundation criticizing other believers, ask yourself, 'where is Christ preeminent?' RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:51, April 10, 2023 (EDT)

More information here.

If this is true, then this is a giant middle finger to the American people, who owe James O'Keefe great thanks for leading the operation which led to the release of the DARPA documents proving the COVID virus' origins at the Wuhan lab. Also, it's probable that O'Keefe was ousted because he had dirt on DeSantis, or wanted to dig up such dirt; if he has it he needs to release it ASAP.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:54, February 9, 2023 (EST)

You're misquoting him, cause he also says,

"However, Occam’s Razor could also apply in that an untrustworthy, backstabbing dirtbag and ankle biter like Matt Tyrmand just happens to find a natural ideological alignment with Team DeSantis."

But there is no question Matt Tyrmand is a dirtbag. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:50, February 10, 2023 (EST)

The reference to Occam's Razor is little more than a fancy way of saying, "hey, I could be wrong." But it's obvious from the tone of the article that Sundance believes it is more likely than not Team DeSantis was indeed involved.--Geopolitician (talk) 12:44, February 10, 2023 (EST)

Sundance is absolutely correct that without O'Keefe, there is no Project Veritas. So we have to wait either for O'Keefe's return, or him to take the donor list with him and restart under a new name. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:54, February 10, 2023 (EST)

There are strong parallels between what happened yesterday and what happened at the Eagle Forum during the Trump-Cruz feud. Let's hope O'Keefe can ultimately prevail like Phyllis Schlafly did.--Geopolitician (talk) 12:49, February 10, 2023 (EST)

Tim Pool reports that Veritas donors demand O'Keefe's reinstatement. [1] RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:19, February 11, 2023 (EST)

[2]...--Geopolitician (talk) 12:55, February 10, 2023 (EST)

What we need more than anything right now is to add this to the Pfizer article. You wanna manage it? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:22, February 10, 2023 (EST)

Just updated it.--Geopolitician (talk) 14:35, February 11, 2023 (EST)

(live coverage) Please pray for the recovery of the injured victims.

What have all these horrendously frequent mass murders this year told us, aside from the obvious fact that cultural evolutionism sows violence? The end really is near.

“	But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.	”
—Matthew 24:37, Luke 17:26

“	... But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!	”
—Rev. 12:12

—LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Tuesday, 22:10, February 13, 2023 (EST)

“	For three years, we have been experiencing a real campaign of mass killing worldwide, either through alleged pandemics and the imminent need to inject untested vaccines that kill people, or through wars that reduce the world’s population, but rearranges international politics, realigns power poles and alters borders. We have lived to witness the production of earthquakes on command [3]	”
—Romanian Senator Diana Iovanovici Șoșoacă

RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:23, February 13, 2023 (EST)

Man-made earthquakes? Evidence? —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Tuesday, 22:40, February 13, 2023 (EST)

The HAARP weapon is the alleged culprit. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:42, February 13, 2023 (EST)

No way it was a HAARP weapon. If HAARP were to be used as a weapon it would cause some sort of atmospheric cataclysm, but not an earthquake. It is however possible to cause an earthquake of that scale by detonating an underground nuclear weapon, although the yield would have to be at least eight megatons.[4]--Geopolitician (talk) 14:43, February 14, 2023 (EST)

"If HAARP was used as a weapon?" If it wasn't built as a weapon, what was it built for? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:21, February 14, 2023 (EST)

It was built to toggle around with the ionosphere. That includes, but is not limited to, trying to use the ionosphere as some sort of weapon.--Geopolitician (talk) 22:09, February 15, 2023 (EST)

(ec) It doesn't matter if the Pentagon or CIA call HAARP earthquakes a conspiracy theory (nobody believes the Pentagon or CIA anyway, except for CNN, MSNBC, and The View producers). 1 million viewers have already seen the Tweet posted on MPR. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:44, February 13, 2023 (EST)

Ah. Anyways, please pray for the injured MSU shooting victims, and for that matter the innocent injured victims of atrocities worldwide. It's clear that the devil hopes to kill as many people as possible before they could repent so he can bring them to the lake of fire. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Tuesday, 22:45, February 13, 2023 (EST)

Who cares if Zelensky needlessly ordered 230 Ukrainians to their death on the US taxpayer dime?

Don't forget the 230 Ukrainian soldiers pressed into service that Zelensky needlessly sent to their deaths yesterday on your taxpayer dime, or the like number amount tomorrow. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:53, February 13, 2023 (EST)

More from Turkish media. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:50, February 13, 2023 (EST)

Anyways, does it make sense that, if the US has a HAARP weapon (never mind if it can or can't cause earthquakes) in Alaska that can affect or change weather, that China might send a weather balloon over Alaska if Biden told the boys to fire the machine up? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:06, February 14, 2023 (EST)

It appears former President Carter has been put in hospice care, and will likely die soon.[5] -Mr. Nationalist (talk) 15:49, February 18, 2023 (EST)

Sorry. We're not going the "Ding Dong! The Witch is Dead!" or make jokes about diapers like libs did about Reagan. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:13, February 18, 2023 (EST)

I did not mean this as a joke like that. I have respect for Carter. I just thought since that was in the news and he was our president I would share it with you all. -Mr. Nationalist (talk) 19:12, February 19, 2023 (EST)

His post presidency was better than his presidency. Like his efforts as far as election integrity in various countries, Habitat For Humanity, etc. Conservative (talk) 18:39, February 19, 2023 (EST)

Carter always reminded me of Hoover. Great humanitarian and engineer with long and good post-presidency, but a horrible president with bad economic policy. -Mr. Nationalist (talk) 19:56, February 19, 2023 (EST)

His Israel Apartheid slur marred his legacy. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:23, February 19, 2023 (EST)

Is he a Christian? I think so. Is he an idiot? Most definitely. Did he cause lasting damage to planet Earth and American foreign policy? Iran was an ally of the US until Jimmy Carter destroyed that alliance, and 50 years later we live in fear of Iran getting nukes. Did Carter spread hate and division in the US, alleging opposition to Barack Obama was racism? Yes. His only saving grace is he doesn't have to answer for that sin before God. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:19, February 19, 2023 (EST)

Matthew 7:1:

“	Judge not, that you be not judged.	”
—ESV

RobSmith, in the section immediately below, you brazenly posted a link to an antisemitic white supremacist website and refused to apologize. And what does Conservapedia deem hypocrisy? A liberal trait. Perhaps Karajou was right about you. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Monday, 21:27, February 19, 2023 (EST)

Judge not lest you be judged, then turn around and make a series of judgmental statements. Good one.

He that diggeth a pit will fall into it. (Pr. 26:27). Just keep digging there, son, keep digging. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:24, February 19, 2023 (EST)

Let's see now:

1. You've become an apologist for Trent Toulouse (Karajou wouldn't have liked that);
2. You've aligned yourself with left-wing critics of the Likud (Karajou wouldn't have like that, either).

In my case, I'm not bothered by your trolling. It can be used to demonstrate to the planet how wrong you are. RobS^{Give Peace a chance}

After all, East Palestine isn't even in Delaware. Although "Kyiv has captured a part of my heart," Biden still won't send Ukraine F-15s. “For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.” (Matthew 6:21) Have the Ukrainians found Hunter another no-show job? The headlines emphasize that Biden's trip to Kyiv was a "secret" and a "surprise," like he was sneaking to avoid sniper fire. But he got permission from Russia before going. So it was a secret just from the American public. PeterKa (talk) 15:17, February 20, 2023 (EST)

"a part of my heart", the rest of his heart is occupied by Russophobia. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:21, February 20, 2023 (EST)

I still think this sums up the whole war from the Russian perspective: Russophobia in the Third Reich. A human being has to be a complete idiot to think the Russians, in its third generation, have forgotten any of it. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:25, February 20, 2023 (EST)

Gatewaypundit now is using Simplicius76 as a source after I headlined it on MPR four days ago. I doubt Jim Hoft knows who Simplicius is. His latest SitRep is interesting. [6] At this pivotal moment, all eyes are on Simplicius. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:29, February 20, 2023 (EST)

Quite frankly, Biden's trip to Ukraine when there were much more pressing matters in East Palestine obviously goes to show his priorities. I don't know how the liberal media is going to get out of this one. --LawfulLibertarian (talk) 22:17, February 20, 2023 (EST)

The evil of Biden's neglect will soon be overshadowed by the Satanic tyranny of the American apostate beast system (aka the false prophet of Revelation), working in collaboration with Papal Rome to force the world to worship Sunday, all thanks to you and your extreme-right pals in Congress like MTG, Gosar, and Boebert trying to establish a national-populist utopia. The Apostle John warned in the Book of Revelation of the second beast:

“	And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain. Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.	”
—Rev. 13:15–17

So when the GOP wins big in 2024 and/or '26, the right-wing "Christian Nationalists" will start saying, "we need to legislate this country back into godly morality," and among such governmental actions will be Sunday rest laws. And when the remnant church refuses to comply, the Christian Nationalists, working in tandem with left-wing environmentalists (who will support Sunday rest as fighting climate change due to mandated reduction of consumption), will say, "oh look, these people won't comply with our efforts to bring forth a godly utopia, so we need to restrict their buying and selling." And as SDAs, perhaps along with new converts to Christianity from rabbinical Judaism, refuse to worship the beast system, the beast system united front will soon clamor for the execution of the true remnant church and ironically slander them as "heretics."

And as a corollary, ostensibly, yes, "American patriotism," from a biblically sound eschatological standpoint is really a form of Satanic worship, since the U.S. is the false prophet/second beast of Revelation. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Tuesday, 15:18, February 21, 2023 (EST)

Kids, just "say no" to cults. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:37, February 21, 2023 (EST)

The prophetic side

Let's not let our view of the situation be limited to worldliness. How is this event significant in the preparation for the final stages of the end times? Well, what would be the result of Biden and the Democrats continuing to put Natomite cash-grab corruption above the needs of Americans? The Republicans will win in 2024. And what then? The GOP, taken over by fringe, right-wing apostate "Christian Nationalists," will institute an image of Papal Rome by turning the U.S., founded on the crucial pillar of separation of church and state, into a theocracy mandating false worship. It's time to snap out of the naive worldly delusions that Satan pushes, and look from the spiritual/prophetic perspective with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Tuesday, 15:07, February 21, 2023 (EST)

The USA doesn't have strict separation of church and state. The USA is not like France in that respect as it did not have an atheistic, anti-clerical revolution like the French Revolution. For example, the USA has: a Office of the Senate Chaplain; National Prayer Breakfast; the pledge of allegiance has "one nation under God"; the national currency has "in God we trust", the US Supreme Court has Moses depicted several times in the stone and marble edifice that is the Supreme Court building, and so are the Ten Commandments and the U.S. President's inauguration has him being sworn in with his hand on the Bible. Conservative (talk)

[EC] Well, there's at least enough of it, at least at the very moment, to prevent the national government from outright enforcing false worship. The U.S. came close to a national Sunday law in 1888 when Republican U.S. senator Henry W. Blair, at the insistence of pseudo-Sabbath organizations, introduced the Blair Sunday-Rest Bill, which failed when SDAs like A. T. Jones fought against the tyrannical apostate proposal that never made it to a floor vote (thank God). However, once the apostate Protestants take over the U.S. government when the Republicans win big in 2024, the government will soon institute a Sunday decree and institute an image of Papal Rome, which was wounded by the sword in 1898 and lived after signing the Lateran Treaty with Fascist Italy. It's only a matter of time. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Tuesday, 15:39, February 21, 2023 (EST)

In addition, many states have blue laws. Conservative (talk) 15:41, February 21, 2023 (EST)

Yes, there are some "blue laws," though that doesn't constitute the mark of the beast because they're not necessarily enforcing Sunday worship, and are limited to state/local jurisdictions as opposed a national decree. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Tuesday, 15:43, February 21, 2023 (EST)

political betting

The Republicans are favored to win the presidency in 2024 by the political betting websites, but it's close (like a 6% margin). A lot can happen between then and now. Conservative (talk) 15:46, February 21, 2023 (EST)

Exactly; and when that happens, the right-wing GOP "Christian Nationalists" will institute a national Sunday law, which will be the mark of the beast. Sadly, most on the right aren't waking up to the truth. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Tuesday, 16:22, February 21, 2023 (EST)

It would be nice if the USA had as much religious freedom as it did before the 1960s. But it doesn't. But it may return sometime in the 21st century. Conservative (talk) 16:53, February 21, 2023 (EST)

Are you at all listening to what I'm saying? There won't be some glorious revival of religious freedom later this century because the world is ending soon! —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Tuesday, 17:00, February 21, 2023 (EST)

How do we know you're not the false prophet? When the world doesn't end, and Sunday laws are not passed, and the Democrats steal the 2024 election, then we'll know. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:44, February 21, 2023 (EST)

As Conservative corroborated about the likely 2024 outcome right above, the GOP "are favored to win the presidency in 2024 by the political betting websites." Almost three years ago, Conservative predicted that Trump might lose the 2020 race and pull a Grover Cleveland in '24. The first half of his prediction was correct! —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Tuesday, 17:58, February 21, 2023 (EST)

Sounds more like flipping a coin.

Thank God we are not under law, cause otherwise we'd have to stone you when your false prophesies don't come true (never mind the judgement you will face from God).

Addendum: in order to CYA, you should not speak in God's name. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:25, February 21, 2023 (EST)

Note on accepting "political betting" as the unadulterated prophecy of God: I can't say much about how odds are established in casino gambling however I do understand horserace book making pretty good. First off, the odds are established entirely by man, and not God. In horseracing, the "odds on" or betting "favorite" loses 2/3 of the time. IOWs, the name of the game is "beat the favorite". "The crowd is always wrong" (can even apply in the stock market sometimes), well, not always, only 2/3 of the time. So the successful horse gambler has to identify which of every three races to sit out, in addition to which other horses in the field can beat the favorite in the 2 out of 3 races he actually participates in. If you "go along with the crowd" in gambling, you will get killed everytime.

I have been to casinos and horse tracks where I have been on a roll, and it absolutely amazes me how other patrons come up to me, pat me on the back, and tell me how happy they are for me. I want to turn to them and say, "it's your money I'm taking, you stupid idiot. You think the House is losing?" If you wanna play the game, learn the rules first. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:54, February 21, 2023 (EST)

So, moving on from our basic premise of political betting based upon the same principles of odds making used in horse racing, Why is the crowd always wrong? because the crowd, not knowing the horses, bets whom they are told to bet by handicappers and oddsmakers. A smart gambler who knows the favorite will win, will not bet and will sit the race out - cause the payoff is not there. A "successful" gambler, if there is such a thing, must consistently win with odds of 4-1 or better to justify his habit. Why 4-1? Cause the gambling tax is 20%, i.e. the House and state gambling commission takes 20% off the top. He has to do much better than just win back his own money, which is what happens 1/3 of the time when the betting favorite wins. IOWs, the "betting favorite" is a pool of bettors who have no idea about the ability of the horse or candidate they are betting, what the rules of the game are, and only doing what they are told to do by oddsmakers and handicappers. They have no independent handicapping skills of their own. The people betting the favorite have no idea what they are doing, or why.

By contrast, the "smart money crowd" (another horseracing term borrowed by stock market technical analysts) is made up of bettor or stock market investors who are "doing everything right" to win. They are not willing to risk money on a "favorite" only to win back their own money. Hence the most knowledgeable people in the game have no impact whatsoever on betting odds in those rare instances when the betting favorite actually wins.

Conclusion: In horseracing, as in political betting, the "betting favorite" represents the money of the least knowledgeable bettors. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:52, February 21, 2023 (EST)

RobS, you are dead wrong. The website https://electionbettingodds.com/ offers the best predictor of elections that currently exists and its accuracy of predictions is very high. To see why, read: Election Betting Odds FAQ. Conservative (talk) 00:52, February 22, 2023 (EST)

Looked at your Betting Odds website. I can point out a half dozen flaws in the methodology you are using to predict winners, beginning with their own admission that Trump had only a 20% chance in 2016 ("the crowd is always wrong", "the money on the favorite represents the least knowledgeable bettors", etc.) There is some reference to FTX on this page, which of course had billions to affect odds. But most specifically, you would have to create two classes of elections, primary elections with multiple choices, versus general elections akin to a match race or coin toss.

A pig like George Soros or Mark Zuckerberg can walk in and place 10 zillion dollars on Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris, upset the odds, buy free publicity for his favorite, and win his money back. How can you take this seriously? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:51, February 22, 2023 (EST)

Do you understand how odds are made? Would you risk $2 to win back $3.20 at the risk of being wiped out if you were wrong? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:09, February 22, 2023 (EST)

Or $200 to win $320? or $2,000 to win $3,200? It's not a very prudent investment, and only a fool, which is the majority of gamblers who create the favorite, would wager money on. A professional is looking to take the fools money, cause the odds (2 out of 3) say the fools (i.e. the majority of bettors, or "the crowd") is wrong. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:14, February 22, 2023 (EST)

(ec) IOWs, if you were that sure a candidate or horse would win, and your choice happens to be the same as most other bettors, you would not make the wager, cause you have nothing to gain and everything to lose. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:19, February 22, 2023 (EST)

Hence the most informed handicappers sit the race out, and only the fools (aka "suckers") make up the odds. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:37, February 22, 2023 (EST)

It's a simple rule of thumb: in any wagering game, the people behind the money on the favorite do not know what they are doing. They might be right by pure chance occasionally, but it's based on information handed to them, not their own analysis. And they "win" nothing but their own money back and a few pennies. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:24, February 22, 2023 (EST)

Odds of Substack shutting down or highly pressured and then serving as a political pseudo-censor during the 2024 election: 100% VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 22:10, February 24, 2023 (EST)

Liberal tears is the same interloper he's always been. There is no central pillar of "separation of church and state". He's either an atheist or a Jew. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 22:13, February 24, 2023 (EST)

He hasn't figured out that when Samuel anointed David king, there was no separation of church and state. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:20, February 24, 2023 (EST)

When Jesus returns, there is no separation of church and state, either. In fact, it's going to be an absolutist monarchy. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:27, February 24, 2023 (EST)

This will backfire big time and deserves no highlighting.

An operation like this must remain covert. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:56, February 23, 2023 (EST)

If only Harris loved America half as much as she loves Venn diagrams. This compilation of our vice president enthusing about the diagrams is pretty funny. Just wait till she finds out about the Pythagorean theorem. Hang on, Joe! You're the only thing that stands between America and this idiocy. PeterKa (talk) 23:55, February 24, 2023 (EST)

Mm-hmm. California students aren't required to take geometry in school? Algebra II also makes use of geometry. By information and belief, she graduated from Howard University. Don't most Universities require College Algebra to get a Bachelor's degree? So is her ignorance of the Pythagorean Thereom that you allege to be "looped" or "circled" into the "idiocy" you see in the video. How convenient it would be if you could make a Venn Diagram so very like the one you described work for yourself. Though I wouldn't be audacious enough to inquire of what specific value thereof, qualitative or otherwise. VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 22:45, March 5, 2023 (EST)