- 1 Thanks. and re: David Wood article and other articles
- 2 Categories
- 3 Merry Christmas
- 4 Essay:Reasons the Catholic Church is Unbiblical - simply repositioned chronologically
- 5 Eleven Million Killed
- 6 Research help suggestions for "Unbiblical elements"
- 7 Useful example/exercise in discerning defective polemic
- 8 Does the Devil ever tell the truth?
- 9 Quick project
- 10 Vandalism
- 11 Revert: Essay: Reasons the Catholic Church is Unbiblical
- 12 Two requests
Thanks. and re: David Wood article and other articles
Thanks for creating the David Wood article and other content.
Second, please remember to put a category tag(s) at the bottom of new pages that you create. Also, endeavor to link to the new article via other articles. If you don't do these two things, very few people will read your new article.
You can read about how to create category tags at: http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Editing_article_and_talk_pages#Categories and http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Videos_on_how_to_edit_a_wiki
Since you know more about the David Wood topic, I will let you put the appropriate category tag(s) at the bottom of the article. You might wish to look up other Christian apologists like William Lane Craig and see what category tags have been created for that article.
- Thank you for your constructive edits. I noticed that in this edit you cited CreationWiki. I like CreationWiki (I even edit it) and it's a great wiki to use, but because it is wiki and content can change, please cite either a permanent link to a particular revision or cite a different source. Thanks! --1990'sguy (talk) 20:37, 21 November 2016 (EST)
Hey, 1990'sguy. Thanks for helping me along, since I'm new to Conservapedia. You're right about citing a wiki. Sorry. I'll change that. I find it kind of ironic, too, that the Creation wiki article I cited has a Wikipedia article as a reference. Thanks! Ambassador (talk) 21:15, 21 November 2016 (EST)
Thanks again for you edits. I recommend that you add sources when creating articles or writing other content, as people can easily see where you got the info and thus increases our reputation for reliability. --1990'sguy (talk) 09:15, 22 November 2016 (EST)
Picking categories for some articles can be a little tricky, but I'm sure you'll get better at it. If it helps, there is a searchable category list which can help you find some good ones. Keep up the great work! --David B (TALK) 22:30, 15 December 2016 (EST)
Thank you for all your contributions to Conservaoedia as far your web article content.
Essay:Reasons the Catholic Church is Unbiblical - simply repositioned chronologically
Thank you for the link to your reasoned essay against the Catholic Church. I simply moved the link within the "See also section" down from the top of the list and positioned it according to the chronological, historical sequence corresponding to the Reformation. I was raised a Fundamentalist (Conservative Baptist). You have done an outstanding job articulating the arguments of the Reformation in a perfect example of the Evangelical charge of apostasy against the Roman Catholic Church. It is also backed up by several of the listed External links. Thank you for the illustrative contribution. Semper Fi! --Dataclarifier (talk) 23:37, 8 January 2017 (EST)
I just found online the following:
Christian Research Institute. The Two Babylons, by Ralph Woodrow (equip.org) a critique and rebuttal of anti-Catholic arguments used by Alexander Hislop, the 19th century author of "The Two Babylons"
I will also put this info on the talk page of your essay.
Thank you for your comments. Interesting article on the refutation of Two Babylons. I will make edits to my essay in order to ensure it is factually correct. --Ambassador (talk) 16:22, 9 January 2017 (EST)
- Your evident integrity does you credit as an ambassador for Christ. Pax vobis --Dataclarifier (talk) 16:48, 9 January 2017 (EST)
- Addendum: An excellent method of online research is to ask a general question, first pro, and then con. Then read each of the linked articles (takes time but is well worth the trouble). This will usually reveal which sources are reliable and which ones are not. Often there will be unexpected surprises.
As an example of asking the right general question online about any controverted subject look at the following linked searches for "why is Catholicism a false religion?" and "why is Catholicism a true religion":
- God bless you, Ambassador. --Dataclarifier (talk) 15:34, 11 January 2017 (EST)
- See my additional comments on your Talk page for the article/essay Reasons the Catholic Church is Unbiblical
--Dataclarifier (talk) 15:51, 11 January 2017 (EST)
Eleven Million Killed
Hi! I just looked up the following link that I thought you could use in your article revision. I got it by simply asking the question:
Research help suggestions for "Unbiblical elements"
I would encourage you to develop again your "Unbiblical Catholicism" article in the form of a new article, in a way that is not an essay but a more general presentation of accurate information historically and statistically based.
Encyclopedic article contributions (Britannica, etc.) always adopt a neutral presentation of information about a topic, and in this case it would (again) be about objections raised against Catholicism.
For example: revise the title of your original idea for an article as "Objections to Catholicism", or "Common arguments against Catholic doctrines" and then present the arguments that "non-Catholics" and "Protestants" and "Fundamentalists" use, with their interpretations of the Bible, especially their arguments using logic, and the biblical interpretations of the original Protestant Reformers, from their own writings. For balance include brief summary statements of the counter-arguments (protests) used by Catholic apologists, together with non-Catholic critiques of the Catholic apologists' arguments which evaluate if their arguments make any sense in light of the Bible. However, the counter-arguments need not be detailed. These could be simply factual observations, stating that Catholic apologists use various counter responses, and providing external links to articles voicing their points of view also based on logic and their own particular denominational interpretation of the Bible according to the traditional interpretation of the Catholic Magisterium. This approach avoids the fallacy of Confirmation bias. You are giving the reader, as to a jury, all information necessary to form an accurate and truthful opinion of the matter—arguments that are commonly used against Catholicism.
As a useful shortcut to obtaining information for your new article, to help save time, I would strongly recommend doing online searches with the following simply worded queries:
- logical fallacies of Protestantism
- logical fallacies of Catholicism
- logical fallacies of religion
- logical fallacies of heresy
- logical fallacies of magisterial authority
- logical fallacies of sola scriptura
This is about the best positive support I can offer together with a sincere assurance of my genuine interest in the possibility of your development of a new article based on your original premise: that Catholicism is Unbiblical (according to all Protestant Christian Bible scholars and theologians).
So, with that in mind, I don't expect that I can do more, and you won't need to hear from me again.
I wish you well. God Bless you. Jesus is Lord.
Thank you very much, Dataclarifier, for all your aid! Your suggestion is certainly an interesting and worthy project, however, I will not undertake it right now. I am, at the present time, rather busy, and besides that, I haven't quite finished the revision of my existing essay. This article you are proposing would require a good deal of time and research, which, in short, I don't have right now. If nobody else does, I will undertake the project once I do have the time. I'm grateful for your suggestion, as well as all the advice before it.
May the Lord bless thee and keep thee,
--Ambassador (talk) 20:19, 13 January 2017 (EST)
- Thank you, Ambassador. That blessing is a real uplift.
I just looked in here out of curiosity to see if you had made any response. I am delighted with your willingness - your spirit is willing but you sometimes need sleep - and, believe me, I have often been there!
When I finally finish completing my own massive project with the seventh section of Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version), I would be happy to help with suggested factual history links and editorial critiques for maintaining neutrally balanced statements of any of the points that you cover. If you are as busy as I was before I retired, it may be summer 2018, before you are able get around to it. Just don't get discouraged. I believe such an article will be a valuable contribution in Christian discernment of truth. But in the meantime, feel free to post on my talk page any query you have regarding Catholicism versus Fundamentalism as related to the purpose of your article.
If I don't immediately know the answer for you, I'll do some online queries for possible sources of reliable info facts and report back here on your own page with links for you to look at (expect several with a variety of viewpoints, sources and facts).
Re my involvement: You do your own writing, and I'll gently kibitz, without interfering, as a publishing editor might (without the aggravating irritation), or like a coach—but not like a Marine D.I.!
Look at my User:Dataclarifier page for a listing of some of my own contributions to Conservapedia, as a reliable indication of my conservative biblical Christian commitment. (My User talk:Dataclarifier page also has two posts listing more recently created articles I've submitted.)
I look forward to working with you for the success of your article. May the Lord Himself with all the court of heaven lift up his countenance upon you, bless you, and give you peace.--Dataclarifier (talk) 12:26, 18 January 2017 (EST)
Useful example/exercise in discerning defective polemic
Consider the following illustrative example:
Jesus is the Word of God.
Protestants call a book, the Bible, the Word of God.
Therefore Protestants have replaced Jesus with a book.
You and I know that this argument is a complete distortion of meaning.
The Bible says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God".
Protestants say the Bible is the Word of God.
Therefore Protestants believe the Bible is God.
You and I know that this argument too is a complete distortion of meaning.
The Latin suffix -latry comes from latria, "worship".
Therefore the word "bibliolatry" means "worship of the Bible".
Therefore Literalist Christians who are obviously involved in bibliolatry worship the Bible as God.
BUZZ!!! WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!
The actual meaning of "bibliolatry" is different. See this link: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/bibliolatry
So— what is being illustrated here?
The above examples of distorted false arguments are based on hostile Polemic as a form of Propaganda using the Logical fallacy of Appeal to emotion to make Protestants look as bad as possible. (I'm familiar with this, because when I was in college an atheist accused me of bibliolatry because I was a Conservative Baptist and a fundamentalist Christian, and he used similar defective logic.)
The fundamental problem with Hislop's book, apart from his defective methodology, is pointed out by Woodrow in his refutation. Alexander Hislop wanted to make Catholicism look as bad as possible, because he had been taught that it is evil, and he never questioned that assertion or the arguments that were used to support it. He thought he was telling the truth with his "proofs", but in fact he wasn't. It's a form of Confirmation bias.
Anything that makes Catholicism or Protestantism look bad or evil should immediately be questioned as to its accuracy or distortion, misrepresentation or misinterpretation. I discovered in my historical researches that a lot that I had been taught about Catholic doctrine had never been true, but I had trusted my teachers because I thought they were telling me the truth; it had never occurred to me that they too had been misinformed; and they too had not questioned the accuracy of what they had been taught in Sunday School about Catholics. It goes all the way back to the Reformers.
One more example: the Christmas tree.
A neighbor of mine when I was growing up was a Jehovah's Witness. According to their teachings, she compassionately warned me that a Christmas tree is an idol, based on Jeremiah 10:3-4 (KJV).
- "For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and hammers, that it move not."
Of course, she failed to read it within the context of "3 verses before, and 3 verses after, for the context". Jeremiah is speaking of a pagan idol. She was mercifully motivated by a desire for my salvation and blessedness. But she had been given a teaching that misrepresented the intent and had been given an historical fact taken entirely out of its social and historical context misapplied to the present day Christmas tradition originally solely intended to honor God's Son Jesus Christ "when all of nature rejoiced with new life" (green). Now, in the context of 1 Samuel 16:7 "for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart," she was guilty of falsehood, but not of lying. See Specious reasoning and Deceit.
When you had a Christmas tree, were you taught that this tree represented the Norse god Yggdrasil (the World Tree)? Of course not! Were you told that it was an idol representing a pagan god? Of course not! What was the intention in your heart as you admired the beauty of the Christmas tree? Were you committing idolatry, or were you thinking of the birth of Jesus in the manger, and the angels singing to the shepherds of his birth with glory to God in the highest?
In the same way, in evaluating accusations against anyone, especially when charged with crime, both the motive in the heart of the accused, and the objective effect or result of the deed (or failure to act) must be evaluated objectively in accordance with the truth. What is meant? What is being done? What is the actual teaching?
The Nazis intended to improve the human race and utterly remove forever the root causes of poverty, insanity and disease. The means that they chose (Utilitarianism) were intrinsically evil, and resulted only in ruin and death on a massive scale. "By their fruits ye shall know them" (Matthew 7:20)
There is a logical fallacy that argues that a superficial similarity proves substantial identity: because an orange billiard ball resembles an orange, because it is round and orange and has a 3" diameter, this proves that the billiard ball must be an orange (good luck trying to eat it!). After all, isn't it orange? isn't it round? isn't it the size of an orange? so how can you possibly deny that it is an orange? Sophistry. I think you see what I mean. Be diligent in rooting out the truth of any evil report. (Exodus 20:16; Proverbs 26:24-25). It might be true. It might be false. "Admonish your friend. He may not have done it. And if he did, that he may not do it again."
Does the Devil ever tell the truth?
The Devil tells the truth when it leads to a false conclusion.
See Matthew 4:1-10; Luke 4:1-13.
Dear Ambassador: Our state articles list the members of Congress from each state, but they have not be updated for 2016. If five editors could update 10 states each, we would be done quickly. Could you please take a look at Conservapedia:Community Portal#Political directory? Thanks in advance, JDano (talk) 16:25, 15 February 2017 (EST)
Thanks for your efforts in reverting the latest string of vandalism! Unfortunately, I was not online at the time. Just so you know, administrators have the ability to revert vandalism quite easily--you (or I) can probably revert it sooner, but you don't need to kill yourself reverting the rubbish, either. Also, if this happens in the future and someone really needs a block, I try to make my self available by e-SMS. Feel free to send me a message if you'd like assistance. I still might not be able to help, but feel free to try if you'd like. --David B (TALK) 21:55, 23 February 2017 (EST)
Revert: Essay: Reasons the Catholic Church is Unbiblical
Ambassador: I made a minor revision of the lead paragraph to give your essay a more neutral tone of "presenting" the information re conservative and fundamentalist Christian "beliefs and proofs" that the Catholic Church is unbiblical. This was in response to your above thanks and invitation to others to revise the essay if they chose, to improve it. My intention was to demonstrate that without changing the substance of the body of the essay, the information can be presented intact in a more neutral tone with a sentence added to your introductory disclaimer that "counter-counter...etc." points are not being presented in detail.
Administrator "Conservative" conscientiously reverted the edit without knowing the latitude you offered above, and this is understandable, since all Essays are always implicitly the "intellectual property" of the contributor and normally should not be tampered with or altered without permission, to preserve his/her views intact. Yours is the only essay I have edited as an assist to your intent to revise it. I posted a note of explanation on the talk page of the essay, and am now leaving it to you to determine for yourself if the revision is appropriate as a beginning to making it an article again.
If you decide to retain/restore the revision, simply go to "view history", find and click on the older page containing the completed revision (last one by Dataclarifier), then when it appears click "edit" at the top, then simply scroll down and "Save page". That will make it again the current page, bypassing all intervening edits. Entirely up to you.
Addendum: Conservative has protected the Essay page for your benefit. If you do not have Administrative privileges, and you do want the revision restored, then leave me a note on my talk page, and a note on the Essay Talk page that you authorize reversion of Conservative's revert edit. Either contact Conservative or contact me or contact both of us, and either one of us can do a revert/restore edit for you. Pax vobis --Dataclarifier (talk) 01:48, 2 March 2017 (EST)
May grace and peace be multiplied unto thee, Dataclarifier. Except for the reference to Isaiah 22:22, I don't think that any of the changes are necessary. There's nothing wrong with the changes, but I also see no reason to have them. It seems to me that they'd be obvious to anybody reading the essay. I do not have administrative privileges. I leave it to you to do whatever you think best. May God bless thee. --Ambassador (talk) 22:29, 3 March 2017 (EST)
Hello Ambassador, I have two things I would like to ask you about. As I'm sure you know, the 500th anniversary of the Reformation is coming soon, but CP does not have many Reformation articles (people, events, documents, etc.). Is there any chance you could help in creating some Reformation content by October 31?
Also, I see that you created the GotQuestions article. I've been adding GotQuestions articles to the "External links" sections of some relevant CP articles. Is there any chance you can do the same to any relevant articles you see? Thanks. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:52, 21 May 2017 (EDT)
Sure, 1990's guy. I'll see what I can do. --Ambassador (talk) 12:16, 22 May 2017 (EDT)