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There are definitely legitimate criticisms of Trump, but those have little or nothing to do with [[Israel]]. And [[Donald Trump, Jr.]] didn't need to be heckled off the stage by an angry mob.<ref>https://www.bitchute.com/video/ddZLwc0K0EL4/</ref><ref>https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/11/11/donald_trump_jr_heckled_and_booed_off_stage_by_america_first_student_activists.html</ref> Nor should Nick Fuentes have been banned from [[YouTube]],<ref>https://reclaimthenet.org/nick-fuentes-banned-youtube/</ref> DLive,<ref>https://redpilled.ca/update-nick-fuentes-vows-to-fight-extremely-painful-legal-battle-against-dlive-for-illegitimately-banning-him-hours-after-the-new-york-times-ran-a-slanderous-hit-piece-on-him/</ref> Twitter, payment processors, kicked out of [[CPAC]],<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp1HUHp3O-w&t=697s</ref> or put on a no-fly list like some kind of terrorist. He's not a terrorist. He's an eccentric young man with out-there ideas and erratic behaviour. Michael Knowles is a critic of Fuentes, but he won't hesitate to condemn the deep state for targeting him.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RABJd_-tOXE&t=355s</ref> Good for him. [[Brandon Tatum]], another Fuentes critic, has given him credit for standing up for [[Capitol riot|the January 6 Capitol protesters]].<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsHcfX8adtE&t=1929s</ref> DLive, an alt-tech and supposed pro-free speech platform, has also banned Vincent James,<ref>https://dlive.tv/VincentJames</ref> Baked Alaska,<ref>https://dlive.tv/BakedAlaska</ref> and Owen Benjamin<ref>https://dlive.tv/OwenBenjaminComedy</ref> in the aftermath of January 6. In the past, they banned [[Alex Jones]] and [[InfoWars]].<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/OfficialDLive/comments/bd5u1t/dlive_censoring_alex_jones_infowars_experiment/</ref> That censorship is wrong, and I have no problem condemning it.
 
There are definitely legitimate criticisms of Trump, but those have little or nothing to do with [[Israel]]. And [[Donald Trump, Jr.]] didn't need to be heckled off the stage by an angry mob.<ref>https://www.bitchute.com/video/ddZLwc0K0EL4/</ref><ref>https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/11/11/donald_trump_jr_heckled_and_booed_off_stage_by_america_first_student_activists.html</ref> Nor should Nick Fuentes have been banned from [[YouTube]],<ref>https://reclaimthenet.org/nick-fuentes-banned-youtube/</ref> DLive,<ref>https://redpilled.ca/update-nick-fuentes-vows-to-fight-extremely-painful-legal-battle-against-dlive-for-illegitimately-banning-him-hours-after-the-new-york-times-ran-a-slanderous-hit-piece-on-him/</ref> Twitter, payment processors, kicked out of [[CPAC]],<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp1HUHp3O-w&t=697s</ref> or put on a no-fly list like some kind of terrorist. He's not a terrorist. He's an eccentric young man with out-there ideas and erratic behaviour. Michael Knowles is a critic of Fuentes, but he won't hesitate to condemn the deep state for targeting him.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RABJd_-tOXE&t=355s</ref> Good for him. [[Brandon Tatum]], another Fuentes critic, has given him credit for standing up for [[Capitol riot|the January 6 Capitol protesters]].<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsHcfX8adtE&t=1929s</ref> DLive, an alt-tech and supposed pro-free speech platform, has also banned Vincent James,<ref>https://dlive.tv/VincentJames</ref> Baked Alaska,<ref>https://dlive.tv/BakedAlaska</ref> and Owen Benjamin<ref>https://dlive.tv/OwenBenjaminComedy</ref> in the aftermath of January 6. In the past, they banned [[Alex Jones]] and [[InfoWars]].<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/OfficialDLive/comments/bd5u1t/dlive_censoring_alex_jones_infowars_experiment/</ref> That censorship is wrong, and I have no problem condemning it.
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If you don't like Israel, that's fine. I have my disagreements with Israel, past (i.e., the Lavon Affair)[https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-lavon-affair] and present (i.e., mandatory COVID-19 booster shots).[https://prophecyupdate.blogspot.com/2021/09/israel-now-mandating-booster-shots.html] If you don't want to disavow Nick Fuentes or Michelle Malkin, then don't. If you don't want to support Ben Shapiro or Charlie Kirk, don't. No-one has a gun to your head, so stop pretending there is. I do find it odd that [[PragerU]] would remove Owen Benjamin's videos since he became a rabid anti-Zionist<ref>https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/comedian-adam-carollas-new-documentary-accidentally-reveals-that-a-lot-of-conservative-free-speech-warriors-are-just-free-speech-tourists/articleshow/73206973.cms</ref> while leaving up the videos by [[Alan Dershowitz]],<ref>https://www.prageru.com/presenters/alan-dershowitz</ref> who has been credibly linked to [[Jeffrey Epstein]].<ref>https://filmdaily.co/obsessions/true-crime/alan-dershowitz-epstein/</ref> No trouble pointing that out. But I can't respect people who seriously think that strong conservatives like The Daily Wire's employees Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, and Candace Owens are cucks no better than Jeb Bush. Yes, I take issue with that.
  
 
We all just need to be reasonable.
 
We all just need to be reasonable.

Revision as of 22:37, September 25, 2021

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I will call you out if you are a cuck or if you are an extremist. This seems to be a contentious issue.

Nick Fuentes is a white identitarian.[1] While it is interesting that the conservative movement seems to ostracize the white identitarian groypers while tolerating or even promoting the black identitarian "conscious conservatives," neither form of identity politics is truly justified.

Some people seem to be on the wrong side of this one.[2][3] Take Tarl Warwick, who defended Nick Fuentes while attacking Sebastian Gorka[4] and Ben Shapiro.[5] Or take identitarian Faith Goldy, who produced a blatantly false and anti-Trump propaganda video for VDARE in support of Nick Fuentes and his defenders that condemned Turning Point USA and the Trump Administration as "Conservative Inc."[6]

This is not establishment vs. anti-establishment. I am very anti-establishment. But these people attack movement conservatives as well as mainstream and establishment conservatives. The Washington Examiner may have forced its employees to get vaccinated against COVID-19 even before Biden's federal mandate,[7] but The Daily Wire has refused to comply with the mandate.[8]

You can disagree with Ben Shapiro on trade[9] or theology.[10] People have respectfully challenged him in those areas, and he has admitted when he has been wrong.[11] Even his own co-workers have disagreed with him[12] or held differing opinions from him.[13] You can do that without stooping to anti-Semitism or emotionalism, or attempting to humiliate him in front of his wife and children.[14] Ben Shapiro is right about the groypers,[15][16] despite the claims of some.[17] He is not the only one on the right side of this issue.[18][19][20][21]

I'm all for criticizing Breitbart News, as Nick Fuentes has done. When I heard that Breitbart News caved and fired Zionist[1] editor Katie McHugh for criticizing Islam,[2] I opposed and continue to oppose that. Fuentes is right when he says that Breitbart is no longer relevant and that not very many people read their articles anymore in all likelihood. He's right when he says that part of the explanation is that all the interesting people are gone (Bannon, Yiannopoulos, Shapiro). But he's wrong when he says the main problem with Breitbart is that it's run by a Jewish Zionist.[22] I've found Joel Pollak to be too politically correct at times,[23][24] but that has nothing to do with his Judaism or Zionism. And contrary to what Fuentes maintains, the establishment is not Jewish or Zionist --- quite the opposite, in fact (see The Establishment and Zionism).

The facts and the truth are all that matter. Disagree with Ben Shapiro on economics, the divinity of Christ, or whether the 2020 election was stolen. Disagree with him on foreign policy or even call him a cuck (even though he really isn't). Don't attack him for condemning arguable bigotry in the form of identity politics for white people and anti-Zionist tangents. If he chooses to condemn that sort of thing, that's his right. That doesn't mean I always agree with Ben Shapiro: sometimes I do, and other times, I disagree with him (see Essay:Ben Shapiro's Milquetoastery). And I admittedly cringe when TPUSA shills for the Federal Reserve[25] and panders to the LGBT community.[26] I think they went too far in firing Ashley St. Clair for taking a picture with Nick Fuentes and Baked Alaska.[27] I think YAF went too far in cutting ties with Michelle Malkin for her speech defending Fuentes and the groypers.[28] But I think Malkin went too far as well. She even tried to start a Twitter brawl with Candace Owens over immigration.[29]

I'm a protectionist. I'm a populist. I'm a nationalist. And I am an anti-establishment anti-racist who opposes both globalist neocons and the far-right.

Yes, Hunter Avallone is a cuck.[3][4][5] Dan Bongino is also suspect.[6][7] But are you guys really much better?[8][9] And President Donald John Trump's philo-Semitism has been well-documented,[10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23] so don't you dare call yourselves Trump supporters. When President Trump signed an Executive Order combating anti-Semitism on college campuses,[30] these people complained about it.[31][32] One of these guys even told Andrew Klavan he wanted him and his family to die in a fire for criticizing Nick Fuentes.[33]

There are definitely legitimate criticisms of Trump, but those have little or nothing to do with Israel. And Donald Trump, Jr. didn't need to be heckled off the stage by an angry mob.[34][35] Nor should Nick Fuentes have been banned from YouTube,[36] DLive,[37] Twitter, payment processors, kicked out of CPAC,[38] or put on a no-fly list like some kind of terrorist. He's not a terrorist. He's an eccentric young man with out-there ideas and erratic behaviour. Michael Knowles is a critic of Fuentes, but he won't hesitate to condemn the deep state for targeting him.[39] Good for him. Brandon Tatum, another Fuentes critic, has given him credit for standing up for the January 6 Capitol protesters.[40] DLive, an alt-tech and supposed pro-free speech platform, has also banned Vincent James,[41] Baked Alaska,[42] and Owen Benjamin[43] in the aftermath of January 6. In the past, they banned Alex Jones and InfoWars.[44] That censorship is wrong, and I have no problem condemning it.

If you don't like Israel, that's fine. I have my disagreements with Israel, past (i.e., the Lavon Affair)[24] and present (i.e., mandatory COVID-19 booster shots).[25] If you don't want to disavow Nick Fuentes or Michelle Malkin, then don't. If you don't want to support Ben Shapiro or Charlie Kirk, don't. No-one has a gun to your head, so stop pretending there is. I do find it odd that PragerU would remove Owen Benjamin's videos since he became a rabid anti-Zionist[45] while leaving up the videos by Alan Dershowitz,[46] who has been credibly linked to Jeffrey Epstein.[47] No trouble pointing that out. But I can't respect people who seriously think that strong conservatives like The Daily Wire's employees Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, and Candace Owens are cucks no better than Jeb Bush. Yes, I take issue with that.

We all just need to be reasonable.

References

  1. ↑ https://tv.gab.com/channel/officialamericafirst/view/nick-fuentes-on-why-we-must-60f2d9a4d8aab4ca2b639892
  2. ↑ https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZIx5Ynd9_Sw/
  3. ↑ https://illustratedphilosophy.com/ip152/
  4. ↑ https://www.bitchute.com/video/_wZLuDCM4zg/
  5. ↑ https://www.bitchute.com/video/JC-QFd1jkYw/
  6. ↑ https://www.bitchute.com/video/GuLEC0jTwSnj/
  7. ↑ https://thehill.com/homenews/media/565977-washington-examiner-to-require-vaccination-for-employees
  8. ↑ https://www.dailywire.com/news/daily-wire-leadership-lauded-for-standing-up-to-bidens-tyrannical-vaccination-mandate
  9. ↑ https://nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2018/03/12/debunking-ben-shapiro-tariffs/
  10. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyMCVjIvNnc
  11. ↑ https://www.westernjournal.com/ben-shapiro-admits-trump-100-right-100-wrong-latest-report-true/
  12. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPcJ0qSl0pA
  13. ↑ https://www.dailywire.com/news/klavan-networks-are-lying-about-trumps-trade-war-daily-wire
  14. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHQDiPcBWEY
  15. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGrWly5uNUI
  16. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge_RUxBTHN4
  17. ↑ https://bigleaguepolitics.com/shameful-never-trumper-ben-shapiro-quotes-a-nazi-to-smear-america-first-patriots/
  18. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkaZXqL4UuM&t=360s
  19. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtpbD-cIcvE
  20. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZTe0WohCuo
  21. ↑ https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/10/very-disturbing-nick-fuentes-and-his-groypers-infiltrated-the-tpusa-event-last-night-and-bashed-gays-and-jews-video/
  22. ↑ https://tv.gab.com/channel/officialamericafirst/view/why-are-fox-and-breitbart-writing-60e4b292e73e5aad92db5ce9
  23. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EhuZ5Irwoo
  24. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnTdTHT9afI
  25. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBcnU4qvYcE
  26. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9_YAK6dU-w
  27. ↑ https://nationalfile.com/tpusa-fires-influencer-at-behest-of-jared-holt/
  28. ↑ https://nationalfile.com/yaf-caves-to-outrage-mob-fires-michelle-malkin-for-supporting-america-first-conservatives/
  29. ↑ https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/1194298994073182208
  30. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqeicv7UPUs
  31. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eni-KPHZ6nM&t=318s
  32. ↑ https://www.bitchute.com/video/FdbclUSktBw/
  33. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-HwgTvcf2Q&t=246s
  34. ↑ https://www.bitchute.com/video/ddZLwc0K0EL4/
  35. ↑ https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/11/11/donald_trump_jr_heckled_and_booed_off_stage_by_america_first_student_activists.html
  36. ↑ https://reclaimthenet.org/nick-fuentes-banned-youtube/
  37. ↑ https://redpilled.ca/update-nick-fuentes-vows-to-fight-extremely-painful-legal-battle-against-dlive-for-illegitimately-banning-him-hours-after-the-new-york-times-ran-a-slanderous-hit-piece-on-him/
  38. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp1HUHp3O-w&t=697s
  39. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RABJd_-tOXE&t=355s
  40. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsHcfX8adtE&t=1929s
  41. ↑ https://dlive.tv/VincentJames
  42. ↑ https://dlive.tv/BakedAlaska
  43. ↑ https://dlive.tv/OwenBenjaminComedy
  44. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/OfficialDLive/comments/bd5u1t/dlive_censoring_alex_jones_infowars_experiment/
  45. ↑ https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/comedian-adam-carollas-new-documentary-accidentally-reveals-that-a-lot-of-conservative-free-speech-warriors-are-just-free-speech-tourists/articleshow/73206973.cms
  46. ↑ https://www.prageru.com/presenters/alan-dershowitz
  47. ↑ https://filmdaily.co/obsessions/true-crime/alan-dershowitz-epstein/