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[[Image:998086u.jpg|right|thumbnail|200px|An essay by the [[Christian apologetics|Christian apologist]] Dr. James Spiegel describes [[Bertrand Russell]] as a "misogynistic and a serial adulterer; a chronic seducer of women, especially very young women, even in his old age."<ref>''The Making of an Atheist: How Immorality Leads to Unbelief'' By James Spiegel, page 72, Moody Publishers, 2010</ref>]]
 
[[Image:998086u.jpg|right|thumbnail|200px|An essay by the [[Christian apologetics|Christian apologist]] Dr. James Spiegel describes [[Bertrand Russell]] as a "misogynistic and a serial adulterer; a chronic seducer of women, especially very young women, even in his old age."<ref>''The Making of an Atheist: How Immorality Leads to Unbelief'' By James Spiegel, page 72, Moody Publishers, 2010</ref>]]
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The prominent American atheist blogger [[JT Eberhard]] wrote: "You may also consider turning to the atheist community.  It seems half of us are [[polyamory|poly]] nowadays."<ref>[http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2013/12/answering-email-how-do-i-polyamory/ Answering email: how do I polyamory?] by JT Eberhard</ref>
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The [[Barna Group]] found that [[Atheism|atheist]]s and [[agnostics]] in America were more likely, than [[theist]]s in America, to look upon the following behaviors as morally acceptable:  illegal drug use; excessive drinking; sexual relationships outside of marriage; [[abortion]]; cohabitating with someone of opposite sex outside of marriage; obscene language; gambling; [[pornography]] and obscene sexual behavior; and engaging in [[homosexuality]]/bisexuality.<ref>http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/5-barna-update/58-practical-outcomes-replace-biblical-principles-as-the-moral-standard</ref> Given the [[Homosexuality and health|many diseases associated with homosexuality]], the [[Bible|biblical]] prohibition against homosexuality is quite arguably one of the  many examples where the Bible exhibited [http://creationwiki.org/Bible_scientific_foreknowledge knowledge that was ahead of its time].
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[[James Randi]] is a leader within the atheist community. Brian Thompson, former James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF) Outreach Coordinator, wrote:
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{{cquote|But I no longer identify with this community of benevolent know-it-alls, because not all of them are the best folks in the world. In fact, a good percentage of the top ten worst humans I’ve ever met are prominent members of the skeptics’ club. They’re dishonest, mean-spirited, narcissistic, [[misogyny|misogynistic]]. Pick a personality flaw, and I can probably point you to someone who epitomizes it. And that person has probably had a speaking slot at a major skeptical conference.
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I grew particularly disgusted with the boys’ club attitude I saw among skeptical leaders and luminaries. The kind of attitude that’s dismissive of women, sexually predatory, and downright gross. When I first started going to skeptical conferences as a fresh-faced know-it-all, I started hearing things about people I once admired. Then I started seeing things myself. Then I got a job with the JREF, and the pattern continued.<ref>Myers, P. Z. (March 31, 2014).  [http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2014/03/31/when-will-this-situation-improve/ "When will this situation improve?"] Pharyngula. Retrieved on July 19, 2014.</ref>}}
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== Atheist leaders and polyamory ==
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On June 14, 2012, an article entitled ''[[Atheism and leadership|Atheist leaders]] and immoral relationships'' published by an advocate of the [[Question evolution! campaign]] declared:
 
On June 14, 2012, an article entitled ''[[Atheism and leadership|Atheist leaders]] and immoral relationships'' published by an advocate of the [[Question evolution! campaign]] declared:
 
{{cquote|The website ''Submitted to a Candid World'' is written by an [[agnosticism|agnostic]] and the website was praised by the prominent [[atheism|atheist]] [[PZ Myers]] in the past.
 
{{cquote|The website ''Submitted to a Candid World'' is written by an [[agnosticism|agnostic]] and the website was praised by the prominent [[atheism|atheist]] [[PZ Myers]] in the past.
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In the ideal polyamorous relationship, one man is seriously “dating” several women, each of whom is in turn dating several men.'<ref>[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/06/atheism-and-unstable-relationships.html Atheist leaders and immoral relationships]</ref>}}
 
In the ideal polyamorous relationship, one man is seriously “dating” several women, each of whom is in turn dating several men.'<ref>[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/06/atheism-and-unstable-relationships.html Atheist leaders and immoral relationships]</ref>}}
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The atheist [[Richard Carrier]] divorced his wife and now practices polyamory.<ref>[http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/6737 Coming Out Poly + A Change of Life Venue]</ref>
 
  
 
The article ''Atheist leaders and immoral relationships'' further declares:
 
The article ''Atheist leaders and immoral relationships'' further declares:
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For more information please see: [http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/06/atheism-and-unstable-relationships.html Atheist leaders and immoral relationships]
 
For more information please see: [http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/06/atheism-and-unstable-relationships.html Atheist leaders and immoral relationships]
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=== Amanda Metskas, August Brunsman and polyamory ===
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[[Camp Quest]] is the first residential summer camp in the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Ireland, and Norway designed specifically for the children of [[Atheism|atheists]]/[[agnosticism|agnostics]]/[[secular humanism|secular humanists]] and others who hold a [[Philosophical naturalism|naturalistic worldview]].
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[[Richard Carrier]] reported in 2016 that Amanda Metskas, the national Executive Director of Camp Quest, are dating and "she and her husband, August Brunsman, are publicly [[Polyamory|polyamorous]]."<ref>[https://shadowtolight.wordpress.com/2016/06/28/polyamory-and-camp-quest/# Polyamory and Camp Quest]</ref><ref>[https://archive.is/xK0h6#selection-5565.61-5589.301 Richard Carrier quote]</ref>
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August Brunsman her polyamorous husband is the Executive Director of the [[Secular Student Alliance]].  Carrier was a speaker for the [[Secular Student Alliance]] when he was accused of sexual harassment.<ref>[http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/28009/ Popularizer of social-justice atheism can’t believe he’s accused of sexually harassing students]</ref><ref>[https://shadowtolight.wordpress.com/2016/06/28/polyamory-and-camp-quest/# Polyamory and Camp Quest]</ref>
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=== Richard Carrier, adultery, divorce and polyamory ===
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[[File:Richard Carrier.jpg|thumbnail|200px|right|[[Richard Carrier]]]]
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''See also:'' [[Richard Carrier, adultery, divorce and polyamory]] and [[Atheist marriages]] and [[Atheism and marriage]]
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The atheist [[Richard Carrier]] divorced his wife and now practices polyamory.<ref>[http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/6737 Coming Out Poly + A Change of Life Venue]</ref> Before divorcing his wife, he was involved in adulterous affairs<ref>[http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/6737 Coming Out Poly + A Change of Life Venue]</ref>
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The Christtian apologist Jason Engwar at the Christian blog Triablogue wrote:
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{{cquote|Richard Carrier [http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/6737 has a post up announcing that he's "polyamorous"], which he calls his "sexual orientation". He's been adulterous in his relationship with his wife, and they decided to get a divorce after having tried polyamory for a while. In the thread, he refers to how he has "sympathy for people who cheat on their spouses", how he's come across "many" polyamorists, and how he's become more convinced that "monogamy is the actual problem". So far, most of the responses at his blog are positive.<ref>[http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2015/02/atheism-adultery-polyamory-and-shifting.html Atheism, Adultery, Polyamory, And Shifting Morals]</ref>}}
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Previously, Carrier wrote a book entitled ''Sense and Goodness without [[God]]''. See also: [[Atheist hypocrisy]]
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Carrier advocates the crank notion that [[Jesus]] never existed and is merely a myth which is a baseless, extreme minority position among historians and contrary to abundant historical evidence pointing to Jesus being a historical figure (The ''Great Soviet Encyclopedia'', a parcel of the [[propaganda]] of the atheistic, [[communism|communist]] [[Soviet Union]], is the only encyclopedia to ever advocate the Christ myth.
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See also: [[Historicity of Jesus]]).<ref>[http://www.tektonics.org/uz/vector01.php  A Response to "Why I Don't Buy the Resurrection Story"] by [[JP Holding]]</ref><ref>[http://www.tektonics.org/ezine/carrierindex.html The Incredible Sinking Carrier or, The Impossible Faith Vindicated] by JP Holding</ref><ref>[http://www.bede.org.uk/price1.htm Scholarly opinions on the Jesus Myth]
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by Christopher Price</ref>
  
 
== Atheism websites and polyamory ==
 
== Atheism websites and polyamory ==
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The website [[Wikipedia]] was founded by the atheist [[Jimmy Wales]] and the agnostic Larry Sanger. Wikipedia has a pro-atheism/evolution slant.
 
The website [[Wikipedia]] was founded by the atheist [[Jimmy Wales]] and the agnostic Larry Sanger. Wikipedia has a pro-atheism/evolution slant.
  
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For example, the current Wikipedia article on atheism is very flattering to atheism. As of June 14, 2012 the Wikipedia atheism article does not explicitly mention the tens of millions who died under atheist [[communism|communist]] regimes although it does allude to it. Dr. R. J. Rummel, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii, is the scholar who first coined the term democide (death by government). Dr. R. J. Rummel's mid estimate regarding the loss of life due to communism is that communism caused the death of approximately 110,286,000 people between 1917 and 1987.<ref>[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/06/atheism-and-unstable-relationships.html Atheist leaders and immoral relationships]</ref>  In addition, as of June 14, 2012, Wikipedia had no article on [[militant atheism]] and deleted its article written on militant atheism.<ref>[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/06/atheism-and-unstable-relationships.html Atheist leaders and immoral relationships]</ref>
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For example, the current Wikipedia article on atheism is very flattering to atheism. As of June 14, 2012 the Wikipedia atheism article does not explicitly mention the tens of millions who died under atheist [[communism|communist]] regimes although it does [[Allusion|allude]] to it. Dr. R. J. Rummel, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii, is the scholar who first coined the term democide (death by government). Dr. R. J. Rummel's mid estimate regarding the loss of life due to communism is that communism caused the death of approximately 110,286,000 people between 1917 and 1987.<ref>[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/06/atheism-and-unstable-relationships.html Atheist leaders and immoral relationships]</ref>  In addition, as of June 14, 2012, Wikipedia had no article on [[militant atheism]] and deleted its article written on militant atheism.<ref>[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/06/atheism-and-unstable-relationships.html Atheist leaders and immoral relationships]</ref>
  
 
As of June 14, 2012 Wikipedia had this flattering description of polyamory:
 
As of June 14, 2012 Wikipedia had this flattering description of polyamory:
 
{{cquote|Polyamory, often abbreviated as poly, is often described as consensual, ethical, or responsible non-monogamy. The word is sometimes used in a broader sense to refer to sexual or romantic relationships that are not sexually exclusive, though there is disagreement on how broadly it applies; an emphasis on ethics, honesty, and transparency all around is widely regarded as the crucial defining characteristic.<ref>[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/06/atheism-and-unstable-relationships.html Atheist leaders and immoral relationships]</ref>}}
 
{{cquote|Polyamory, often abbreviated as poly, is often described as consensual, ethical, or responsible non-monogamy. The word is sometimes used in a broader sense to refer to sexual or romantic relationships that are not sexually exclusive, though there is disagreement on how broadly it applies; an emphasis on ethics, honesty, and transparency all around is widely regarded as the crucial defining characteristic.<ref>[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/06/atheism-and-unstable-relationships.html Atheist leaders and immoral relationships]</ref>}}
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== Atheist conference FtBCon2 on polyamory ==
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The atheist conference FtCon2, which is run by [[Freethought Blogs]] had a conference entitled ''FtBCon2: Skeptics Open Up: Polyamory in the Skeptical Community''.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTvdLqfr8os FtBCon2: Skeptics Open Up: Polyamory in the Skeptical Community]</ref>
  
 
== See also ==
 
== See also ==
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*[[Atheism and sexuality]]
  
 
*[[Atheism and marriage]]
 
*[[Atheism and marriage]]
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*[[Atheism and satanic deception]]
 
*[[Atheism and satanic deception]]
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== External links ==
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*[http://polyinthemedia.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-poly-movements-growing.html The poly movement's growing atheist/skeptic wing]
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*[https://shadowtolight.wordpress.com/2016/06/25/polyamory-gone-wild/ Polyamory Gone Wild]
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*[https://deeperwaters.wordpress.com/2015/02/20/along-came-poly/ Along Came Poly], Christian apologist Nick Peters on [[Richard Carrier]]'s adulterous affairs, adultery and polyamory
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*[https://shadowtolight.wordpress.com/2016/06/28/polyamory-and-camp-quest/ Polyamory and Camp Quest]
  
 
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== Notes ==  
 
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An essay by the Christian apologist Dr. James Spiegel describes Bertrand Russell as a "misogynistic and a serial adulterer; a chronic seducer of women, especially very young women, even in his old age."[1]

The prominent American atheist blogger JT Eberhard wrote: "You may also consider turning to the atheist community. It seems half of us are poly nowadays."[2]

The Barna Group found that atheists and agnostics in America were more likely, than theists in America, to look upon the following behaviors as morally acceptable: illegal drug use; excessive drinking; sexual relationships outside of marriage; abortion; cohabitating with someone of opposite sex outside of marriage; obscene language; gambling; pornography and obscene sexual behavior; and engaging in homosexuality/bisexuality.[3] Given the many diseases associated with homosexuality, the biblical prohibition against homosexuality is quite arguably one of the many examples where the Bible exhibited knowledge that was ahead of its time.

James Randi is a leader within the atheist community. Brian Thompson, former James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF) Outreach Coordinator, wrote:

“ But I no longer identify with this community of benevolent know-it-alls, because not all of them are the best folks in the world. In fact, a good percentage of the top ten worst humans I’ve ever met are prominent members of the skeptics’ club. They’re dishonest, mean-spirited, narcissistic, misogynistic. Pick a personality flaw, and I can probably point you to someone who epitomizes it. And that person has probably had a speaking slot at a major skeptical conference.

I grew particularly disgusted with the boys’ club attitude I saw among skeptical leaders and luminaries. The kind of attitude that’s dismissive of women, sexually predatory, and downright gross. When I first started going to skeptical conferences as a fresh-faced know-it-all, I started hearing things about people I once admired. Then I started seeing things myself. Then I got a job with the JREF, and the pattern continued.[4]

”

Atheist leaders and polyamory

On June 14, 2012, an article entitled Atheist leaders and immoral relationships published by an advocate of the Question evolution! campaign declared:

“ The website Submitted to a Candid World is written by an agnostic and the website was praised by the prominent atheist PZ Myers in the past.

On April 20, 2012 an article appeared in Submitted to a Candid World which declared:

'Several of my close friends — coincidentally, all extremely intelligent, math/science oriented, and leaders in the freethought/rationality/atheist communities — find themselves practicing and promoting an arrangement they term “polyamory.” Essentially, this describes a post-jealousy, highly rationalized state where participants date each other, and several others simultaneously...

In the ideal polyamorous relationship, one man is seriously “dating” several women, each of whom is in turn dating several men.'[5]

”

The article Atheist leaders and immoral relationships further declares:

“ Several leaders of the "freethought"/atheist community are practicing and promoting polyamory. This is not going to help the poor reputation that atheism already has among the public. The Mormons promoted bigamy for a while and later retracted their position due to the public outrage.

Of course, atheist leaders engaging in and promoting practices such as polyamory is one of the many reasons why atheism has such a bad reputation in the world.[6]

”

For more information please see: Atheist leaders and immoral relationships

Amanda Metskas, August Brunsman and polyamory

Camp Quest is the first residential summer camp in the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Ireland, and Norway designed specifically for the children of atheists/agnostics/secular humanists and others who hold a naturalistic worldview.

Richard Carrier reported in 2016 that Amanda Metskas, the national Executive Director of Camp Quest, are dating and "she and her husband, August Brunsman, are publicly polyamorous."[7][8]

August Brunsman her polyamorous husband is the Executive Director of the Secular Student Alliance. Carrier was a speaker for the Secular Student Alliance when he was accused of sexual harassment.[9][10]

Richard Carrier, adultery, divorce and polyamory

Richard Carrier

See also: Richard Carrier, adultery, divorce and polyamory and Atheist marriages and Atheism and marriage

The atheist Richard Carrier divorced his wife and now practices polyamory.[11] Before divorcing his wife, he was involved in adulterous affairs[12]

The Christtian apologist Jason Engwar at the Christian blog Triablogue wrote:

“ Richard Carrier has a post up announcing that he's "polyamorous", which he calls his "sexual orientation". He's been adulterous in his relationship with his wife, and they decided to get a divorce after having tried polyamory for a while. In the thread, he refers to how he has "sympathy for people who cheat on their spouses", how he's come across "many" polyamorists, and how he's become more convinced that "monogamy is the actual problem". So far, most of the responses at his blog are positive.[13] ”

Previously, Carrier wrote a book entitled Sense and Goodness without God. See also: Atheist hypocrisy

Carrier advocates the crank notion that Jesus never existed and is merely a myth which is a baseless, extreme minority position among historians and contrary to abundant historical evidence pointing to Jesus being a historical figure (The Great Soviet Encyclopedia, a parcel of the propaganda of the atheistic, communist Soviet Union, is the only encyclopedia to ever advocate the Christ myth. See also: Historicity of Jesus).[14][15][16]

Atheism websites and polyamory

See also: Atheism and the internet and Internet atheism and obesity and Internet atheism and polyamory

Polyskeptic.com and polyamory

“ On June 13, 2012, an advocate of the Question evolution! campaign wrote:

Polyskeptic.com is an atheist website devoted to the issue of polyamory in relation to atheism.

Blogspot.com, where this Question Evolution! Campaign blog is hosted, has a statistics feature which among other things gives the total views of a blog in a given day. For the day of 5/13/12 (which is the last full day that blogspot.com has statistics for) this blog received 1,202 total views according to blogspot.com.

This Question evolution! blog, which has not yet been heavily promoted, has an Alexa traffic rank of 2,178,256 as of June 14, 2012. The website Polyskeptic.com has an Alexa traffic rank of 2,276,133 as of June 14, 2012.[17]

”

Atheist Nexus and polyamory

The website Atheist Nexus bills itself as "The World’s Largest Coalition of Nontheists and Nontheist Communities."[18] As of June 14, 2012, the website Atheist Nexus had an entire group devoted to polyamory.[19]

Wikipedia on polyamory

The website Wikipedia was founded by the atheist Jimmy Wales and the agnostic Larry Sanger. Wikipedia has a pro-atheism/evolution slant.

For example, the current Wikipedia article on atheism is very flattering to atheism. As of June 14, 2012 the Wikipedia atheism article does not explicitly mention the tens of millions who died under atheist communist regimes although it does allude to it. Dr. R. J. Rummel, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii, is the scholar who first coined the term democide (death by government). Dr. R. J. Rummel's mid estimate regarding the loss of life due to communism is that communism caused the death of approximately 110,286,000 people between 1917 and 1987.[20] In addition, as of June 14, 2012, Wikipedia had no article on militant atheism and deleted its article written on militant atheism.[21]

As of June 14, 2012 Wikipedia had this flattering description of polyamory:

“ Polyamory, often abbreviated as poly, is often described as consensual, ethical, or responsible non-monogamy. The word is sometimes used in a broader sense to refer to sexual or romantic relationships that are not sexually exclusive, though there is disagreement on how broadly it applies; an emphasis on ethics, honesty, and transparency all around is widely regarded as the crucial defining characteristic.[22] ”

Atheist conference FtBCon2 on polyamory

The atheist conference FtCon2, which is run by Freethought Blogs had a conference entitled FtBCon2: Skeptics Open Up: Polyamory in the Skeptical Community.[23]

See also

External links

Notes

  1. ↑ The Making of an Atheist: How Immorality Leads to Unbelief By James Spiegel, page 72, Moody Publishers, 2010
  2. ↑ Answering email: how do I polyamory? by JT Eberhard
  3. ↑ http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/5-barna-update/58-practical-outcomes-replace-biblical-principles-as-the-moral-standard
  4. ↑ Myers, P. Z. (March 31, 2014). "When will this situation improve?" Pharyngula. Retrieved on July 19, 2014.
  5. ↑ Atheist leaders and immoral relationships
  6. ↑ Atheist leaders and immoral relationships
  7. ↑ Polyamory and Camp Quest
  8. ↑ Richard Carrier quote
  9. ↑ Popularizer of social-justice atheism can’t believe he’s accused of sexually harassing students
  10. ↑ Polyamory and Camp Quest
  11. ↑ Coming Out Poly + A Change of Life Venue
  12. ↑ Coming Out Poly + A Change of Life Venue
  13. ↑ Atheism, Adultery, Polyamory, And Shifting Morals
  14. ↑ A Response to "Why I Don't Buy the Resurrection Story" by JP Holding
  15. ↑ The Incredible Sinking Carrier or, The Impossible Faith Vindicated by JP Holding
  16. ↑ Scholarly opinions on the Jesus Myth by Christopher Price
  17. ↑ Atheist leaders and immoral relationships
  18. ↑ Atheist leaders and immoral relationships
  19. ↑ Atheist leaders and immoral relationships
  20. ↑ Atheist leaders and immoral relationships
  21. ↑ Atheist leaders and immoral relationships
  22. ↑ Atheist leaders and immoral relationships
  23. ↑ FtBCon2: Skeptics Open Up: Polyamory in the Skeptical Community
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