Talk:Essay: 10 reasons the Republicans should end funding the war in Ukraine

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Before we talk about "winning" the war, or what "peace" looks like, let's understand a few basics. "Winning" the war for Russia means, getting the United Nations to recognize the redrawn borders of the Russian Federation and the Ukrainian rump state as sovereign. What prevents that now? The economic strength of the US & UK that uses its financial leverage to blackmail poorer UN member states to vote against the Russia/China/India/Iran bloc (where a big portion of the inhabitants of planet earth live), and for the "golden billion", a neo-colonialist white privileged minority. Those days are numbered. Financial and nuclear blackmail by the West cannot, and will not preserve or extend it.

So, what "peace" or "winning" looks like, means (a) recognizing redrawn borders, and (b) restoring international trade by lifting sanctions. Unless those parameters are met, there will be no "peace", only Cold War II. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 05:50, October 25, 2022 (EDT)

Suggestion

Being that 57 GOP members and 30 Congressional Progressive Caucus members on record opposing funding, that makes 87 total known House members. If funding is to be stopped, it must be a bi-partisan effort. This, in fact, should not be a partisan issue. Therefore, the Essay would be more effective with the title '10 reasons funding the war in Ukraine should stop.' It would reach a wider audience, and eliminate the red flag the word 'Republican' throws up to many voters. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 14:57, October 26, 2022 (EDT

Pivot to China

"The USA needs to defund the war in Ukraine ASAP and pivot to Asia!" = "Pivot the $100 billion being spent in Ukraine to support the separatist regime of Taiwan." RobSGive Peace a chance 20:50, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

[Copilot: Who coined the term, "pivot to Asia"?]
Answer: President Barack Obama.
It is fairly obvious User:Conservative is not a student of global affairs and really pays no attention, nor has any interest, in current events worldwide. Here he is nakedly endorsing Obama foreign policy. RobSRecovering Republican 00:34, December 7, 2025 (EST)

Here's your pivot to Asia

What happened to "Whatever it takes" and "We're with you til the end"? Now this:

According to the TASS news agency, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said: “Such negotiations really took place. It was the initiative of the American side.”

So the US is peeing its pants to wash its hands of the mess it created in Ukraine and pivot to Taiwan.

You need to learn how to accept criticism, play with nice others, and stop shooting yourself in the foot. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:56, November 14, 2022 (EST)

John Mearsheimer: Will Israel and Ukraine derail the US pivot to Asia. You keep saying, "I agree with John Mearsheimer" or "Mearsheimer agrees with me." I've been listening to both of you for years and have yet find anything the two of you agree on. RobSGive Peace a Chance! 12:19, October 26, 2023 (EDT)

Proofreading

While proofreading, there is a redundancy between #1 and #4, where the information about fertility rates and replacement levels of 2.1 children were repeated. Being I didn't have you permission to make changes, that's where I stopped reading. RobSGive Peace a chance 02:42, November 12, 2022 (EST)

I improved this matter. Conservative (talk) 13:00, November 12, 2022 (EST)

Reasons 11 - 18

Tens of billions of dollars were transferred to Ukraine then laundered back to Democrats in advance of the 2022 Midterm elections. [1]

11. The US is profiting off dead Ukrainians. [2] Opening the Floodgates for Profiteers of War

12. The racist Kyiv regime just banned Russian from the public school curriculum yesterday. [3]

RobSGive Peace a chance 03:28, November 12, 2022 (EST)
I don't know what the profit margin on the oil/gas is, but the USA is spending a ton of money on military and humanitarian assistance. I have some doubts about the USA economically coming out ahead (At least in the short term). And as far as the US oil/gas companies profiting out of this situation due to higher profit margins due to global shortages, that is capitalism (Like supply and demand). I like capitalism as it is far better than the alternatives.
And is not surprising that Ukraine is banning Russian given the Russian invasion. The Germans didn't even invade the USA and teaching German was removed from many American schools due to WWII. Conservative (talk) 13:08, November 12, 2022 (EST)
Humanitarian assistance? On what planet, and even if true, how much actually make it to where it's intended before it's stolen by government officials (whom the US pays their salaries) in the most corrupt country in Europe? RobSGive Peace a chance 13:19, November 12, 2022 (EST)

13. Ukraine is building a racist border wall with US taxpayer money to keep the subhuman untermensch Russians out. [4] RobSGive Peace a chance 13:34, November 12, 2022 (EST)

14. Tens of billions were transferred to Ukraine then laundered back to Democrats using FTX crypto currency. [5] FTX CEO Who Stole Billions in Cypto Ponzi Scheme Is DEMOCRATS’ Second Largest Donor After Soros. [6] RobSGive Peace a chance 02:46, November 13, 2022 (EST)

15. On November 4, 2022 a message and video was posted to Telegram from an African American mercenary in the Armed Forces of Ukraine that read:

"My name is Bradley Burke, I am a private in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and on October 28 [2022] I was brutally attacked by Ukrainian sergeants and colleagues, as well as other foreigners. I was in my room for a moment, sleeping, they entered in balaclavas and with pepper spray , flooded me and my bed, after that they started beating me. One of the Ukrainians grabbed my hair and hit me in the face several times, threw me to the ground, one of the foreigners took me by the throat and choked me until I lost consciousness. When I got up to leave, other Ukrainians took turns beating me. Now I ask the Ukrainian police or the Ukrainian state to investigate the "Carpathian Sich" battalion for their involvement in corruption and bribery, I reported this to my commander, and they did not answer me. The people who attacked me are still on duty at the moment, and I received a letter notifying me of my dismissal in the near future."[1]

16. On August 30, 2022 a scandal was reported among Ukrainian government officials involving the theft of 21 shipping containers, 389 railway cars, and 220 semi-truck loads of humanitarian assistance, as well as cash to provide 240,000 free meals at a cost of $50 each. Only 24 meals were ever given out. [7][8]

17. The FTX scandal (should actually be reason #1). [9] RobSGive Peace a chance 00:24, November 15, 2022 (EST)

18. Prof. John Mearsheimer, whom this Essay endorses, is on the U.S. taxpayer supported Ukrainian Nazi kill list. [10]Russia Didn’t Get Its Propaganda From John Mearsheimer, Jon Schwarz, The Intercept, March 6 2022. RobSGive Peace a chance 18:25, November 16, 2022 (EST)

False reporting

This is typical Western propaganda and false reporting: Russia says over 200,000 drafted into army since Putin's decree. Putin did not order a draft (Russia actually already has conscription). Reservists were called up.

This is typical why Americans are so uninformed and confused about the NATO war. RobSGive Peace a chance 15:22, November 12, 2022 (EST)

When the US sent National Guard reservists to Afghanistan and Iraq, they were not "drafted". But this is typical of the fake news and propaganda you are perpetuating. RobSGive Peace a chance 15:24, November 12, 2022 (EST)
The idea of referring to a call up of reserves as a "draft" is to make people think a country is desperate - this is precisely why the US did not institute a draft and sent Guardsman into combat instead - cause neither the Bush admin nor the Obama admin wanted to deal with the domestic issue of appearing to be desperate. Nonetheless, you give readers a false picture of the true situation - which could even backfire with some readers thinking, "If they are that desperate, let's finish them off."
The issue here is credibility, and failure to vet the source and information properly damages your credibility and that of the publisher. RobSGive Peace a chance 15:34, November 12, 2022 (EST)
I made the correction. Conservative (talk) 16:39, November 12, 2022 (EST)
To understand the broader war in context, Russia is using so-called "hard power", whereas NATO/US/Ukraine has relied upon "soft power", its extensive network and control of global media to win the hearts and minds of people through propaganda. RobSGive Peace a chance 18:25, November 12, 2022 (EST)

Mearsheimer's view

"War could drag on at a lower level for years and this is a dangerous situation."

Mearsheimer does not say this. Mearsheimer says the war could go nuclear. RobSGive Peace a chance 21:08, December 2, 2022 (EST)

Thanks. I didn't misquote Mearsheimer. However, I did clarify what he said in a brief way. Conservative (talk) 21:24, December 2, 2022 (EST)

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"I would actually like to use my time to ask Carl a question. One thing that strikes me just listening to you talk, and I think it's true of a lot of people who I interact with, is I place a great emphasis on the nuclear threat. I live in fear that this is going to turn into a nuclear war. And my argument is that, as I said in my formal presentation, that the more successful we are, we meaning the West and Ukrainians, the more likely it is that the Russians will use nuclear weapons.

I'm surprised that you don't see that threat. That you don't worry about that. I mean, you talk about supporting the Ukrainians and whipping the Russians. And in a conventional world, you can think in an all conventional world, you can think in those terms. But why aren't you scared like I am, that this could spin out of control and we could all get vaporized." [11]

Nowhere does Mearsheimer allude to "Don't worry, it'll be all conventional for a long time", as you purport to be Mearsheimer's view. RobSGive Peace a chance

"I live in fear that we all could get vaporized" would be more accurate. Particularly if it could "drag on at a lower level for years." RobSGive Peace a chance 21:30, December 2, 2022 (EST)
Look at the logic and reasoning here:
Bildt: Putin's a madman and must be stopped.
Mearsheimer: I live in fear we all could get vaporized.
Bildt: A madman would never do that.
It's not every day you see a respected professional scholar of international relations panicked that nobody's listening to him, or that people are trying to misuse his words and slander him to discredit his views. RobSGive Peace a chance 21:41, December 2, 2022 (EST)

My final and last response

In my updated essay where added some additional detail (but where I had nothing to correct).

I wrote the following below:

I stand by these words. So I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. And I will let the readers decide this matter.

I have nothing further to say about this matter. Conservative (talk) 21:35, December 2, 2022 (EST)

More Ukraine aid just got steamrolled thru by the lame duck Congress

As predicted, more Ukraine aid into next year just got steamrolled thru by the lame duck Congress. It's not like we didn't know this would happen. [12] RobSGive Peace a chance 17:15, December 14, 2022 (EST)

There is no universal 'Ukrainian nationalist' identity

This article should help prove the point about the myth of 'Ukrainian nationalism', which Western propaganda media boasts as winning the war against Russia. 'Ukrainian nationalists', such as they exist, are now inherently racist. Many residents of Crimea considered themselves 'Ukrainian nationalists' until 2014, and many residents of Donbas considered themselves 'Ukrainian nationalists' until 2022. Such terms, as I've contended for a long time, are meaningless. They are invented by journalists and academics to describe things they themselves don't understand, and make it seem as if they do.

Anyway, here's the article: Zelenskyy Regime to Forcibly Conscript Hungarians in Transcarpathia. Oh, wow. Let's translate what this means: In 'democratic' Ukraine, where the government headed by a non-ethnic Ukrainian, which has slaughtered all its ethnic Ukrainian male youths at the front in a pointless war against Russia, now thinks it can turn to its third largest ethnic minority and forcibly conscript them, in the name of 'equality' and 'democracy', to fight against longtime friends and allies and die in a pointless war. Good luck with that. RobSGive Peace a chance 07:08, January 25, 2023 (EST)

I am not going to write on the Russian-Ukraine War anymore. The German/West failure to send Ukraine Leapard 2 tanks in materially significant numbers and General Mark Milley's recent commentary shows that the West is not serious (See: Milley: Low probability of Ukraine fully evicting Russia). I long have suspected that the West's commitment to Ukraine would not be long-term. Conservative (talk)
As Mearsheimer says, they are willing to fight to the last Ukrainian. Looks like we've reached that point. So when NATO mercenaries start driving the Leopards into Ukraine, people will begin to realize that either Russia wins, or there will be nuclear war. NATO not only cannot win, but it is also intent on its own defeat and destroying itself. RobSGive Peace a chance 07:31, January 25, 2023 (EST)
So, you may be able to train a Ukrainian to drive a Leopard and load and fire the guns, but you have to have Germans, Poles, UK, and French mechanics and maintenance crews (crews which are larger for each tank than the 3-man operators) with boots on the ground. Even maintenance technicians carry arms in a combat zone. Then you also have to have the techies to keep the onboard high-tech systems operating properly. RobSGive Peace a chance 07:42, January 25, 2023 (EST)
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Zeihan

Zeihan states nothing new about a buffer zone. He is restating the Long Telegram of George F. Kennan from 1948, and reiterated by former Ambassador to Russia and current CIA director William Burns in 2008 in the Nyet Means Nyet memo.

In the case of Kennan, it was the basis of the Truman Doctrine of Containment behind the Iron Curtain. Those "buffer zones" were knocked down when Gorby allowed East Germany to join NATO and the Warsaw pact was disbanded under the promise that NATO would not advance beyond the Oder-Neise line (German-Polish border). The Burns memo warned that NATO and the United States had violated the agreement that ended the Cold War.

Zeihan is hardly an original thinker, he is an advocate for NATO aggression, essentially calling Kennan and Burns warnings a bunch of bunk. Zeihan is a modern day Dr. Strangelove. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:53, February 22, 2023 (EST)

I don't care about how original a thinker is. I care more about how sound their thinking is. And it seems to me that John Joseph Mearsheimer makes the best argument about the conflict and in his opinion Russia cares more about Ukraine than the West so their strength of will about this conflict favors them winning the conflict. But Mearsheimer admits that he doesn't know who is going to win the conflict. He also thinks that escalation with a nuclear power is a dangerous game, but the risk of the conflict going nuclear is low. But given the consequences of a nuclear war, Mearsheimer thinks that policymakers should avoid escalation and hammer out an agreement as soon as possible. And he freely admits that he has no idea on how long the conflict will last. I don't agree with Mearsheimer on everything given that he is a liberal overall, but he does seem to be a sound thinker overall and belongs to the realism school of international relations which has a more accurate view of human nature (For example, nations seek wealth and power) than the liberalism school of international relations. Conservative (talk) 21:55, February 22, 2023 (EST)
Go back Mearsheimer's debate with Bildt. Mearsheimer castigated Bildt for his cavalier attitude about nuclear war, which Mearsheimer "lived in fear of". RobSGive Peace a chance 23:15, February 22, 2023 (EST)
Mearsheimer has repeatedly said that the probability of nuclear war is low. But since it could be catastrophic, it wouldn't surprise me if he used the word fear related to this matter. Conservative (talk) 00:41, February 23, 2023 (EST)
"One thing that strikes me just listening to you talk, and I think it's true of a lot of people who I interact with, is I place a great emphasis on the nuclear threat. I live in fear that this is going to turn into a nuclear war. And my argument is that, as I said in my formal presentation, that the more successful we are, we meaning the West and Ukrainians, the more likely it is that the Russians will use nuclear weapons. I'm surprised that you don't see that threat, that you don't worry about that. I mean, you talk about supporting the Ukrainians and whipping the Russians, and in an all conventional world you can think in those terms. But why aren't you scared like I am that this could spin out of control and we could all get vaporized?"
That was four months ago when we were still in an "all conventional world." But NATO is out of conventional weapons now. RobSGive Peace a chance 01:15, February 23, 2023 (EST)
As Putin said in Volgograd on the 80 Anniversary of the German surrender at Stalingrad, "You can send tanks, but it will not end with armour," meaning 'you can send tanks that we may have difficulty with defeating on the battlefield, but the war will not end with your tanks on the battlefield in Ukraine.' RobSGive Peace a chance 01:21, February 23, 2023 (EST)

Mearsheimer gave an interview about a week ago. He once again explicitly said in no uncertain terms that he believes the likelihood of a nuclear war is low, but because a nuclear war would be terrible, he is concerned. I have nothing further to say on this matter. Conservative (talk) 01:27, February 23, 2023 (EST)

So Mearsheimer has more confidence in the sanity of Biden and Jake Sullivan than I do, but I don't see any evidence for Mearsheimer's faith (other than not wanting to set off a panic because of his position in society). RobSGive Peace a chance 01:33, February 23, 2023 (EST)

Update: 3 hrs ago. Chinese television exclusive interview with Mearsheimer. RobSGive Peace a chance 01:51, February 23, 2023 (EST)

The latest from the Economist Intelligence Unit

Thought you might like the latest from the Economist Intelligence Unit: [13]

"Only a third of the world’s population lives in countries that have both condemned Russia for its invasion and also imposed sanctions on it, according to the Economist Intelligence Unit, our sister organisation. Most of them are close allies of America. The rest tend to see the war as a contest between autocrats and hypocrites."

RobSGive Peace a chance 21:24, February 22, 2023 (EST)

Russia supplies a lot of food and fuel. So third-world countries don't want to bite that hand that helps feed them. Conservative (talk) 21:59, February 22, 2023 (EST)
Bingo. So who's really helping them, and who's keeping them down on the farm? Who is starving them, by denying ships and insurance for transport with Russia sanctions, in effect punishing them for not going along with Western arms traders? RobSGive Peace a chance 23:19, February 22, 2023 (EST)

References

  1. ↑ https://rumble.com/v1rdrbq-my-name-is-bradley-burke-i-am-a-private-in-the-armed-forces-of-ukraine.html
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