Talk:Charlie Kirk

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Looks cut n pasted from elesewhere. RobSFree Kyle! 13:45, October 25, 2021 (EDT)

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. So does the Turning point usa article. ---BernieandTrumpFan (talk) 14:50, October 26, 2021 (EDT)
I think it needs some work or improvement, or maybe we should discuss deletion. Have at it if you think you can fix it. We can deal with Turning Point later. RobSFree Kyle! 15:19, October 26, 2021 (EDT)
I had pasted a bunch of it from the TPUSA article, but I was in a hurry and didn't change much. I think we should address the more unsavory side of him and the org. At least the time where he posed with the degenerate drag queen "Lady MAGA". Real conservative of him. Michael Knowles, too. And can we PLEASE fix the Turning Point article title?Vince Did 7-14 (talk) 11:05, October 27, 2021 (EDT)
If we want to be upset that TPUSA fired Ashley St. Clair over a picture, we can’t get too upset over the Lady MAGA pictures (though I certainly would never take a picture with him). But I agree with you about fixing the Turning Point USA article title. —-BernieandTrumpFan (talk) 13:09, October 27, 2021 (EDT)
You're telling me we shouldn't care that Kirk claims to be conservative and then supports total degeneracy, as if that doesn't defeat the point of us fighting the culture war? Isn't firing her over a picture while immediately accepting the opportunity for a photo op with someone antithetical to the whole conservative rhetoric hypocritical? Not to mention their platforming of the pro-trans, pro-abort neocon Tomi Lahren. Please watch this video. Vince Did 7-14 (talk) 16:16, November 2, 2021 (EDT)

Rob, why do you keep reverting edits? The man's org is tied to the Koch brothers. How is he not a Koch puppet? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vince Did 7-14 (talk)

free market vs. free trade

Here's a problem with buzz phrases like "free market" or "free market capitalism": "free trade" is anti-tariff. There are many such inconsistencies throughtout Conservapedia with the use, misuse, and overreliance on buzz words and phrases.

Additionally, attempts to expand or clarify too often degenerate into ad hominems and trolling Essays allowed by management. RobSZelensky Must Go! 15:16, September 10, 2025 (EDT)

  • Charlie Kirk wrote of his ‘deep love’ for Israel in letter to Netanyahu about how to counter rising opposition to the Jewish state in the US. NYP

Assassinated conservative activist Charlie Kirk advised Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu how to counter “anti-Israel sentiment” among Gen Z and win the “information war” being waged against the Jewish state, according to a letter obtained by The Post. Kirk wrote to Netanyahu in the May 2 missive that he was alarmed by “anti-Israel and anti-Semitic trends” hitting “record levels on social media” since one of his “greatest joys as a Christian is advocating for Israel and forming alliances with Jews in the fight to protect Judeo-Christian civilization.” “My team and I have spent months analyzing these trends and debating ideas that could help you and your country pushback [sic] against these disturbing developments,” he said in the letter, reproduced in full below for the first time. “Anti-Israel sentiment can undermine American support for Israel..." Telling (talk) 18:10, September 29, 2025 (EDT)

Killing

Looks like a professional hit. Do not discount the fact that an assassination like this could be intended to outrage pansie peaceniks in Gen Z and turn them into bloodthirsty warmongers (along with the rest of the neocons and globalists).

I've heard GenZers say, "Charlie Kirk will be president someday" - that is the extent the college crowd looked up to him - more faith, or they identified with Charlie Kirk as a spokesman for their ideals more than Trump or JD Vance. RobSZelensky Must Go! 17:39, September 10, 2025 (EDT)

A conservapedian asked my opinion on this matter: Attempting to replace the void left by Charlie Kirk's death

A conservapedian asked my opinion on this matter: Replacing the void left by Charlie Kirk's death.

Here is some research that I did:

The AI programs provided some good data related to this matter. Conservative (talk) 22:55, September 10, 2025 (EDT)

Kirk had a following and reputation built up over years; a new replacement at the head of Turning Point USA by an unknown to GOTV of GenZers before the 2026 Midterms is like replacing Joe Biden with Kamala Harris. RobSZelensky Must Go! 23:12, September 10, 2025 (EDT)
I confess, I was the "conservapedian" (with a small "c" User:Conservative refers to).
Here are the "good data points" User:Conservative refers to:
  • Grok: "Kirk was the founder, primary voice (via his podcast and speeches), and key fundraiser, linking youth activism to donors. Like Schlafly or Falwell, his charisma drove campus engagement—TPUSA's core. Without him, events may lose draw, and youth loyalty could wane, as seen in posts calling TPUSA "null and void." No obvious heir apparent has emerged in discussions; potential figures like Tyler O'Neil (TPUSA editor) or alumni like Chandler Crump exist, but none match Kirk's profile."
Survival as media influencer on par with Kirk: ~15–20%
Full replacement of Kirk’s personal brand influence: ~10%
In my personal opinion, User:Conservative didn't even understand the political question I was asking. Jimmy Kimmel was fired for less than User:Conservative's "good data" he secured with AI. RobSZelensky Must Go! 15:20, September 18, 2025 (EDT)

This page could have, and should have been expanded today

But it wasn't, largely due to User:Conservative's vandal attack on the website. [1] RobSZelensky Must Go! 16:27, September 11, 2025 (EDT)

Reaction, cont.

Remember, Bill Maher was fired for "inappropriate comments" after 9/11 - and was back within 6 months. 25 years later, he's still back. RobSZelensky Must Go! 13:39, September 15, 2025 (EDT)

Robinson, Fuentas, and Kimmel

I'm going to try something - retitle the ==Motive== subheads as ==Robinson, Fuentas, and Kimmel== amd put all the paragraphs that reference Robinson, Fuentas, and Kimmel in it. Let me know what you think. RobSZelensky Must Go! 08:03, September 22, 2025 (EDT)

Chris Martenson

Chris Martenson, who nailed the coronavirus hoax early, says Analysis Solves Kirk Case—Evidence Points Away From Robinson’s Position. However, I'm not gonna post it because of the 'Mossad and Netanyahu did it' frenzy. Zelensky, the SBU, & Myrotvorets haven't been cleared yet (or even widespread speculation). John Helmer even says Kirk may be the Horst Wessel of the MAGA movement.

It's worth a study, but doesn't point fingers. RobSZelensky Must Go! 23:29, September 27, 2025 (EDT)

Unbelievable. Today's age with real time documentation and yet some over there seek to plan out theories. 99% of these "theories" are intentionally geared toward blaming one particular group.Telling (talk) 01:42, September 28, 2025 (EDT)
Let's say Kirk had a falling out w Israel in the weeks before, that doesn't mean others or a lone gunman unconnected to Israel to stop moving ahead with their plans.
Take the Waukesha Christmas Parade for example. We were totally wrong. It wasn't racially or politically motivated, It was a boy-girl fight. RobSZelensky Must Go! 10:29, September 28, 2025 (EDT)
The "fall out" myth was pushed by those jealous of his Zionism, right after Tyler Robinson killed himm. Having differences of opinions once in a while doesn't mean an adversary or "fall out. The very concept of a CIA or any western Intel. "killing" someone because of an opinion, is ludicrous. No one kills Haaretz journalists propagandists who are anti Israel exytekists - just as Hamas Mouthpiece Al Jazeera by Qatar.Telling (talk) 11:09, September 28, 2025 (EDT)
They're all killers. Putin's a killer. Trump's a killer. Netanyahu's a killer. Abraham Lincoln was a killer. FDR was a killer. Queen Elizabeth was killer. King David was killer, and so on. That's the job of a Head of State. RobSZelensky Must Go! 11:15, September 28, 2025 (EDT)
Not for an opinion . Unless an imam, for example, explicitly incites to murder.

Killing etc.

BTW, David like Moses also killed per God's will (Deuteronomy 1:4), David's title is King (I Kings 1:1) and Moses' is "servant of the Lord" (Deuteronomy 34:5) Telling (talk) 11:43, September 28, 2025 (EDT)

That's sounds like Islam, killing as a favor to God. In the Christian interpretation, it shows there is no sin (except one) that is beyond forgiveness - provided we are willing to repent (change). RobSZelensky Must Go! 11:59, September 28, 2025 (EDT)
I see what you are saying. I took it to mean Moses killing the Egyptian, which he obviously repented of and was chosen to lead God's people.
As leader (and killing all those kings) however, he was barred from entering the promised land, as David too was barred from building the Temple since his hands were too bloody.
Originally, the seed of the wicked were cut off, and God visited the sins of the father (Cain) on the children to the 3rd and 4th generation (the flood, or the unavenged death of Abel. "A bad tree cannot bring forth good fruit"). This all changed in Ezequiel chapt 18, which I think of as the birth of the modern era.
God reserves the right to amend himself. RobSZelensky Must Go! 12:26, September 28, 2025 (EDT)
Ezequiel chapt 18: "Out fathers were a bunch of drunks, and the children all suffer from fetal alcohol syndrome"
"No more will this saying be said in Israel"
That's where he tossed out the "sins of the father visiting the children" clause. RobSZelensky Must Go! 12:50, September 28, 2025 (EDT)

You mean it sounds like the crusades?


Moses is first Prophet by Christianity too.

He was no "murderer", though God told him to kill the Midianites. Numb. 25:17


We have to differentiate Biblical times where events were coordinated with God and post Bible.
1. Kosher Moses killing the Egyptian was not seen as negative in the eyes of God, it was to save a brethren. . David fought, what is called, wars for God, he did per His will, yet, God doesn't want the Temple be build by anyone with blood on his hands, even as it was just.
2. Sanctity of life. There is for instance, a Talmudic concept of a court that had condemned a person to death though just once in 7 years or per another opinion once in 70 years - it is labeled the 'destructive' court. Even though they were right, they have that "stain." It is also to encourage to deliberate over the top / to look for arguments for the defendant.
3. One of the reasons Haredim (ultra-orthodox Jews), overwhelmingly, refuse to serve in the army, is based on the concept that killing can change something in the soul, though it's for the right reasons (Israelis are convinced they are fighting to survive against a Goliath).
Note: In general, there are a world of differences between ancient cultures and today's. For instance, Amalek, today, refers to a concept, not a specific ethnic group. Telling (talk) 14:08, September 28, 2025 (EDT)

So, is the recission of the "visiting the fathers" clause in Ezequiel 18 active or not? RobSZelensky Must Go! 14:12, September 28, 2025 (EDT)
Cain killed, out of his own private choice.

Ezequiel 18 [refers to such sins as golden calf or the spies]. The prophet corrects a common error in understanding the Torah (Numbers, chapter 14: "The iniquity of the fathers shall be visited upon the children to the third and fourth degree." In the past, there were people who thought that according to the Torah, the sons were punished for the sins of the fathers, but this is not true, and the prophet corrects them, for the Torah explicitly states (Deuteronomy 24:16): "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; each one shall be put to death for his own sin." _

Thus: See Numbers 32:13, for the Sin of the Spies (This sin of slander against the land of Israel), that generation was eliminated and only their children merited to enter the promised land.Telling (talk) 14:28, September 28, 2025 (EDT)

IMHO, the murder of the Egyptian is one of the few differences between Judaism & Christianity. The Hebrew brethren Moses intervened for apparently didn't see it the same way as Moses. And that's why Moses fled for 40 years into the desert to think about it.
Abel's murder went unavenged. And when Noah stepped off the ark, God laid down the law (before Moses), "Whoseoever shed's man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed". Who were the people who perished in the flood? The children of Cain. RobSZelensky Must Go! 14:29, September 28, 2025 (EDT)
1. Of course Caon's children, since Abel was dead. But the flood came for other sins. See Gen. 6:11

2. Moses fled because he was sought after by the king of Egypt - Ex. 18:4 "rescued me from the sword of Pharaoh." (Because these 2 [2], the known two trouble makers snitched on him)Telling (talk) 14:52, September 28, 2025 (EDT)

Well then, what did God mean when he said, "Because of their iniquity, and also because of the iniquities of their fathers" and bunch of other Torah scriptures ("seed of the wicked", etc) before he changed his mind and said "no more"? We know God can, and has, changed his mind. RobSZelensky Must Go! 15:11, September 28, 2025 (EDT)
Your great question is in Talmud. And in an overview answer it refers to a warning when descendants continue the 'same' sin...Telling (talk) 18:57, September 28, 2025 (EDT)
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