Debate: Would Jesus support Ukraine aid because Russia has two gay bathhouses?

Debate: Would Jesus support Ukraine aid because Russia has two gay bathhouses?

Arguments for

Moscow has more gay bathhouses per capita than St. Petersburg. Moscow is gayer than St. Petersburg. Vladimir Putin, tear down Russia's gay bathhouses [1]

"There are gay bars/clubs/saunas in St. Petersburg and Moscow which are two of the most influential cities in Russia. Is there a set of "Central Station" gay clubs with locations in both Moscow and St. Petersburg? Is the Cabaret Club the oldest gay night club in St. Petersburg, Russia? Was a Russian IP address to a gay dating app found to be associated with the Kremlin?[2] User:Conservative|Conservative (User talk:Conservative|talk) 21:57, November 4, 2024 (EST)

"There are also plenty of 'gay-friendly' clubs and same sex nights in Moscow and St Petersburg. Women only nights in the capital are becoming increasingly popular. Venues will often have a double life turning from an everyday establishment by day into something quite different after dark. This is how it works in Russia."[10]

And as I noted above, Moscow and St. Peterburg are the most influential cities in Russia. Conservative (talk) 01:19, December 17, 2024 (EST) [3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14] See also [15]

"For over three years, Vladimir Putin has relied on Russia’s overwhelming artillery advantage to pound Ukrainian forces, seize territory, and terrorize civilians. But now, that dominance is under serious threat. A new landmark defense deal between Germany’s Rheinmetall and Ukraine’s state-owned Ukroboronprom is poised to transform Ukraine’s artillery production and close the gap. As Europe ramps up its military industrial output, Russia faces mounting equipment losses, production bottlenecks, and supply chain vulnerabilities. Could this deal be a turning point in the war? How will Putin respond as Ukraine strengthens its artillery capabilities? And is Russia prepared for a prolonged war of attrition without its artillery edge?" - This Will END Russia’s Ammo Advantage FOREVER!, Military Show video, 2025 Conservative (talk) 16:15, May 17, 2025 (EDT) [16][17][18][19][20]

How many gay bars are there in Moscow, Russia?

The short answer: Moscow currently has roughly 10–13 gay or gay‑friendly bars/clubs operating underground, according to the most recent 2025–2026 venue guides. The exact number fluctuates because venues frequently close, relocate, or rebrand due to Russia’s escalating anti‑LGBTQ laws.

The most authoritative count comes from GayOut’s 2025–2026 Moscow listings, which identify 13 gay bars & clubs.

Below is a structured breakdown using the grounded venues returned in search.

🏳️‍🌈 Gay & Gay‑Friendly Bars/Clubs in Moscow (Grounded List) (These are the venues that appear in the search results; some are explicitly gay, others are mixed but LGBTQ‑popular.)

Tri Obez’yany — Gay‑friendly nightclub, 4.4★, 247 reviews.

Central Station Moscow — One of Moscow’s best‑known gay clubs, 4.1★, 438 reviews.

Bruce Bar — Stylish gay‑friendly bar, 4.8★, 372 reviews.

Propaganda — Mixed crowd, historically LGBTQ‑friendly, 4.3★, 3229 reviews.

Provokatsiya — Small underground club, 4.4★.

Voda Spa — Gay sauna/club hybrid; often hosts gay nights.

These six are the ones directly confirmed in the search results. The broader list of 13 comes from GayOut’s 2025–2026 Moscow guide.

📊 Why the number fluctuates

Russia’s legal environment for LGBTQ people is extremely hostile:

“International LGBT movement” designated extremist (2023).

Displaying LGBTQ symbols can lead to prison time.

Police entrapment via dating apps has been documented.

Because of this, venues:

avoid public advertising

frequently change names/locations

operate semi‑secretly

may close abruptly

So while 13 is the best documented number, the operational number at any given moment is closer to 8–10.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2026 at 9:32 AM Mark Miller <conservativeconservapedia@gmail.com> wrote: Number of gay bars in Moscow? There appears to be more than one gay bar in Moscow.

Number of gay bars in Singapore vs. Moscow

Singapore’s capital is Singapore (the entire country is a city‑state). And yes — Singapore almost certainly has far fewer gay bars per capita than Moscow, because Singapore’s nightlife scene is small, tightly regulated, and concentrated in a few districts, while Moscow is a megacity of ~13 million with a large underground scene.

I’ll give you a clean, structured comparison — factual, non‑judgmental, and grounded in publicly available data.

🇸🇬 Singapore: Capital & Gay Bar Density

Capital: Singapore

(Singapore is a city‑state; the capital is the city.)

Population: ~5.9 million

Gay bars/clubs: ~4–6 (depending on definition)

Examples often cited in nightlife guides:

Tantric Bar — longstanding gay bar in Chinatown

Backstage Bar — popular LGBTQ venue

Taboo — nightclub with LGBTQ nights

Dorothy’s Bar — mixed but LGBTQ‑friendly

Singapore’s LGBTQ nightlife is small because:

nightlife licensing is strict

venues cluster in one district

the city is compact

cultural norms are conservative

the government historically restricted LGBTQ expression

So per capita, Singapore has very few gay bars.

🇷🇺 Moscow: Gay Bar Density

Population: ~13 million

Gay bars/clubs: 8–13 (depending on underground venues)

You already listed the grounded ones:

Tri Obez’yany

Central Station Moscow

Bruce Bar

Propaganda

Provokatsiya

Voda Spa

Even with Russia’s hostile legal environment, Moscow’s sheer size produces a larger underground scene.

📊 Per‑Capita Comparison Let’s do the math cleanly.

Singapore Population: 5.9 million Gay bars: ~5 Bars per million:

Moscow Population: 13 million Gay bars: ~10 Bars per million:

Result Singapore ≈ 0.85 bars per million Moscow ≈ 0.77 bars per million

So ironically — and humorously — Singapore may actually have slightly more gay bars per capita than Moscow, even though Moscow has more total venues. If I were to pick a country outside the USA to very much like/love, I would pick Singapore. Conservative (Conservative|talk) 14:43, October 14, 2023 (EDT)

Comparing Gay Bar Scenes: Buffalo, NY vs. Moscow, Russia

Buffalo, NY has a far more vibrant, accessible, and diverse gay bar scene than Moscow, Russia — with dozens of dedicated LGBTQ+ venues, regular Pride events, and a welcoming, walkable nightlife hub.

Buffalo, NY

Buffalo’s LGBTQ+ nightlife is concentrated in Allentown, a walkable arts district with multiple gay bars, clubs, and drag venues visitbuffalo.com. Popular spots include:

26 Allen – A stylish, LGBTQ+-friendly bar with cocktails, drag shows, and themed nights Travel Gay.

Fugazi – A casual gay bar with a patio, pool table, and events like drag watch parties Travel Gay.

Underground Niteclub – A nightclub with drag events, karaoke, and themed parties Travel Gay.

Q Bar – A long-standing gay bar in Allentown visitbuffalo.com.

Buffalo hosts Buffalo Pride Week with a parade, festival, and community events visitbuffalo.com. Many venues stay open late (often until 4 a.m.), and the scene is inclusive, with sober options, accessibility features, and community support hubs like the Pride Center www.gay-location.com.

Moscow, Russia

Moscow has a smaller, more niche LGBTQ+ scene compared to Western cities (See also Essay: How I found my American patriotism again and began to appreciate the West more).

While there are a few LGBTQ+ bars and clubs, they are:

Less numerous than in Buffalo.

Often more private or discreet, with limited public visibility.

Subject to legal and social restrictions in Russia, which can limit open, inclusive nightlife.

Fewer regular Pride events or drag shows compared to Buffalo.

Which Has More Gay Bars?

Buffalo has significantly more gay bars and a more active, visible LGBTQ+ nightlife than Moscow. Buffalo’s Allentown district alone has multiple dedicated gay venues, while Moscow’s scene is smaller, less public, and more constrained by local conditions.

Bottom line: If you’re looking for a lively, diverse, and welcoming gay bar scene, Buffalo is the clear choice over Moscow.

Mr. "Conservative", Tear down these gay bars in Buffalo.

The logic of how User Conservative's mind works, July 21, 2026.

I trust this clarifies matters.

Arguments against

"For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret" - Apostle Paul

The following is reproduced in full from Mediazona, part of the NATO propaganda network June 29, 2026 and not covered by copyright:

Seven years for a drag bar. Russia hands down lengthy “LGBT extremism” sentences to night club owners and staff Alexander Klimov under arrest. Photo: Orenday Three years ago, Russia placed the obviously non-existent “international social LGBT movement” on the registry of “extremist organisations”, deliberately opening the way to arbitrary criminal cases against anyone the security services decided was promoting “non-traditional values”. The first such case, against the staff and owner of the bar Pose in Orenburg, close to the border with Kazakhstan, was held up at the time as a template. Today, that template produced its first verdict: prison terms of up to seven years. Also today, a court in Chita, Siberia, increased the sentence of a 23-year-old Jackson club owner from four years to six. When the Orenburg case was launched, lawyers warned this was only the beginning, and now the crackdown is unfolding. The sentences The Central District Court of Orenburg has convicted three employees of the bar Pose of organising the activity of, and taking part in, an “extremist organisation”, the court’s press service announced. The heaviest term, seven years in a general-regime penal colony, went to the bar’s owner, Vyacheslav Khasanov, according to Ostorozhno, novosti outlet. The venue’s administrator, Diana Kamilyanova, was sentenced to six years and three months; its art director, Alexander Klimov, to two years and three months. All three pleaded not guilty. According to the prosecution, the defendants, knowing that the “international LGBT movement” had been banned in Russia, staged at the bar “events united by the common theme of demonstrating belonging to persons of non-traditional sexual orientation for an indefinite circle of persons”—which is to say, parties with drag shows. The court also made Khasanov pay one million roubles, or about $13,000, as “criminal proceeds from the activity of an extremist organisation”, and barred all three from working in entertainment or public catering for up to three years. The bar Pose opened in Orenburg in 2021 and ran themed parties. It billed itself as the city’s “first themed venue”; after Russia passed its law against “LGBT propaganda”, it began describing itself instead as a “bar-theatre of parodies” and a “night bar with a show programme”. As a precaution, its staff stopped listing the address on social media, and would-be guests had to message to find out where to go. It was, by design, never a gay club in the way the authorities would later cast it. The first Pose had opened in Ufa in mid-2020, the Orenburg branch a year later, and both were presented as venues for theatrical drag shows. For a time they worked more or less undisturbed, even after the full-scale invasion of Ukraine; when the security services took an interest, it was the routine kind, checking alcohol licences. Local conservatives, though, were unhappy from the start. A government-linked outlet in Ufa ran a complaint from “concerned citizens” troubled by the club’s “LGBT theme”. In September 2023 a long queue for a concert by the flamboyant performer Albina Sexova was photographed and circulated by local channels alongside grievances. One, quoted by the regional press, read: “We bought apartments in a business-class building expecting peace, and instead we live in fear that our child will see this nightmare.” The Ufa venue closed that November after threats. Article Russia’s pioneering “LGBT extremism” case. In Orenburg, Pose bar raid and criminal case set precedent for future repression The raid On the night of March 9, 2024, barely a week after the LGBT’s “extremist” designation took effect, the Orenburg bar was raided. The operation was carried out by police and the National Guard together with the “Russian Community of Orenburg”, an ultra-conservative movement that had attracted little attention before. Mediazona’s sources in the city at the time could recall no other notable actions by the group. Its social media insisted it was “not a sect of 'nationalists” but an association standing “for a strong Russia and the flourishing of all indigenous peoples”. By its own description it “helped the front, helped churches, helped large families”, and trained its members in “tactical medicine, self-defence and the handling of weapons, so as to defend the country, family and loved ones in a time of need”. Its members have proudly reported conducting joint patrols with Cossacks. It was the “Russian Community”, not the police, that first published video of the raid. A man in civilian clothes can be heard on stage announcing a “special operation” before asking anyone under eighteen to come forward “the nice way”. Some of those present were forced to the floor; one witness described officers kicking guests and staff and using a stun gun. Performers were made to recite their names and home addresses on camera, footage that was then posted online. Three employees, including Kamilyanova and Klimov, were held until the middle of the following day and their homes searched. Same month, Yekaterina Mizulina, the head of a quasi-governmental censorship and denunciation outfit called “Safe Internet League”, was announcing that Russia had opened its first criminal case over LGBT “extremism”. Two days later, in closed hearings, the court sent the two employees to pre-trial detention; Khasanov was arrested a week after that. Klimov and Kamilyanova were later moved to house arrest. The case ground on for more than two years before the verdict. Article Self‑abasement as “civic duty”. First conviction in the “LGBT extremism” publishing case, as ex‑Popcorn Books sales director turns on his bosses The Chita club The second case surfaced thousands of miles away to the east, in Chita, near the Mongolian border. Today, the criminal appeals panel of the Zabaikalsky Regional Court increased the sentence of a local woman convicted of organising the activity of an “extremist organisation” by more than two years, its press service said. The release makes clear it concerns Tatyana Zorina, a 23-year-old entrepreneur. In March the Ingodinsky District Court of Chita had given Zorina four years in a general-regime colony. The appeals panel raised that to six years and two months. Among the material evidence cited against her, the court noted six corsets, hip pads and a false breast. Zorina was tried as the owner of the nightclub Jackson, which the security services entered in October 2024. By then the venue was operating privately, admission was by phone call only. The court described Jackson as a gay club, while the Investigative Committee claimed Zorina had run it “to propagandise the ideology of the banned international public association and increase its numbers”. She spent the investigation under house arrest. What comes next When the Orenburg case was first opened, lawyers who specialise in extremism prosecutions told Mediazona it would be a template—and pointed to where the practice would be borrowed from. The richest body of case law, one noted, came from prosecutions of Jehovah’s Witnesses, banned as extremist in Russia, who had by that time, in April 2024, accumulated more than 450 convictions, 157 of them carrying real custodial terms—in two years these numbers have risen to 715 convictions with 227 prison sentences. The crackdown on LGBTQ+ representation in Russia is widespread, covering book publishing and support organisations. Article Russia’s sweeping LGBTQ+ visibility purge. Seven support groups outlawed this spring, one court ruling at a time, as “extremist organisations”

After bullying a country with economic sanctions to legalize gay rights with threats to list them as a "human rights abuser" by the State Department, the United States escalates to openly interfering in their domestic affairs].

The United States State Department, with money from Congress and the American taxpayer, actively supports and promotes the "international social LGBT movement”, a fact which Mediazona denies and calls "non-existent".

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No. RobS^{WWJD? Would he claim 2 gay bathhouses in Russia compared to 300 in America justifies nuclear war?} 22:51, June 28, 2026 (EDT)