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Katy Perry and many other liberal celebrities left California and moved to red states

Katy Perry left California and moved to Kentucky. Katy Perry: Moving to Kentucky ‘Reminds You that Hollywood Is Not America’ Despite her moving she is still support her leftist and liberal agenda which is ruin her state California, she mocking people of Kentucky and said they live in bubble. Kentucky in 2020 election vote 62% for Trump. another celebrities who left California, Josh Brolin moved to Georgia, Kat Von D moved to Indiana and James Ven der Beek move to Texas --Alex Kosh (talk) 21:09, May 22, 2022 (EDT)

Great suggestion - posted on the MainPageRight. Thanks!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 21:36, May 22, 2022 (EDT)

Ah, the dangers of compassion

Ukrainian refugee stole Englishwoman's husband in 10 days. When the refugee got booted out of the house, her husband left with her.

Looks like Western values are sweeping the globe. RobSZ 01:54, May 23, 2022 (EDT)

"Dark MAGA" ?

Madison Cawthorn, following his recent primary defeat,issued a statement in which he said that "It’s time for Dark MAGA to truly take command." Can anyone here help me understand what "Dark MAGA" is?--ClaudeMcH (talk) 03:42, May 23, 2022 (EDT)

Dark MAGA? Those are the reserve Ukronazi Avoz Battalion fighters. RobSZ 03:50, May 23, 2022 (EDT)
but shhhhh....we want the world to believe Trump is a Putin stooge.... RobSZ 03:52, May 23, 2022 (EDT)
So, you're saying that Madison Cawthorn is calling for the Republicans to ally with Ukranian Nazis? Does anyone here want to actually help me figure this out? ClaudeMcH (talk) 13:33, May 23, 2022 (EDT)
It's no secret, both the Charlottesville protesters and J6 protesters were trained by Ukrainian Nazis with Obama and Biden's help. Dark MAGA is in bed with the left. RobSZ 15:42, May 23, 2022 (EDT)
It's a lie. I saw the MAGA hats. They were bright red. There was nothing dark about them! :) Conservative (talk) 19:11, May 23, 2022 (EDT)
So, [redacted], what IS Dark Maga? what did the Trump-endorsed candidate mean by it? ClaudeMcH (talk) 21:53, May 23, 2022 (EDT)
Here is Know Your Meme: "Dark MAGA or #DarkMAGA refers to a hashtag and series of memes that depict a "punished," more unhinged version of Donald Trump running for reelection in 2024 who has abandoned all optics, replacing his slogan MAGA with "Dark MAGA."" Here is a MAGA meme video. PeterKa (talk) 12:35, May 25, 2022 (EDT)

Will the U.S defend Taiwan?

In August, Biden told us that the U.S. would respond militarily if China attacked Taiwan. Everyone laughed. He doesn't understand America's policy of strategic ambiguity, we said. Then he did again in October. That was a headscratcher. On Monday, Biden was once again asked if the US would respond militarily to a Chinese attack: “Yes," he responded. "That’s the commitment we made. We agreed with the ‘one China’ policy, we signed on to it ... but the idea that it can be taken by force is just not appropriate, it would dislocate the entire region and would be another action similar to Ukraine.”

So this is policy now? Not so fast. The American media is once again cleaning up after the doddering fool. "Biden Veers Off Script on Taiwan. It's Not the First Time," is the headline in the New York Times. Biden, you're gonne have to do better! The Taiwanese seem to think that Biden is in charge. Here is Taipei Times: "US forces would defend Taiwan: Biden." What about the Chinese? All I could find was this Xinhua article, which thanks Biden for "not supporting 'Taiwan independence'." Well, okay then. PeterKa (talk) 09:43, May 24, 2022 (EDT)

We're seeing the shift away from Ukraine since the May 19 NYT editorial warning to cut and run since NATO has lost and Russia has won. Media and the Biden junta have CYA now (just like Trump-Russia) cause they can never admit they were wrong.
This video from May 6 does a good job explaining why Taiwan is off the table for the PRC for this year and much of the foreseeable future of this decade, and why Biden can use that now to bark like big dog as if he intimidated them. What's more likely now, at this point is, the PRC will use the US model ala the Maidan coup for internal subversion, rather than the anticipated Normandy-style invasion everyone's expected since 1949. (Funny, that puts Biden in Putin's shoes, then). RobSZ 14:30, May 24, 2022 (EDT)
The Chinese have at last responded to Biden's comments: "Biden’s remarks on ‘intervening militarily’ in Taiwan question not gaffe but signals hollowing out one-China policy," according to Global Times. This site has an international orientation. Xinhua, a news agency whose material is run by numerous outlets domestically, has condemned, "U.S. President Joe Biden's recent Taiwan-related comments." Amusingly, the agency doesn't explain what it is that he said. Perhaps the Chinese public doesn't need to know. Biden's initial statement on Taiwan was made back in August. That suggests that he is compensating for the Afghanistan withdrawal. PeterKa (talk) 19:51, May 24, 2022 (EDT)
I don't know; I've given up trying to make any sense out of anything Biden or his script writers say. The question is, How will the United States respond when the CCP stages a Maidan-style Color Revolution, cause that's the only way they can take Taiwan. Will the US wait 8 years, as Putin did, to end ethnic cleansing and human rights violations with direct military action? RobSZ 20:02, May 24, 2022 (EDT)

Will we defend Taiwan? Maybe. Should we defend Taiwan? Absolutely not. It is not in our national interests to defend Taiwan, as neither it nor China is a neighboring country of the United States. And yes, I know about the microchip production there. If we lose that to China, it will be our own fault, since we chose to be so reliant on Taiwan instead of making our own microchips like we’re so capable of doing. Meanwhile, I wouldn’t put it past Biden to try to start a Sino-Taiwanese war, just like he started the Russo-Ukrainian war. If Taiwan knows what’s good for itself, it should not play into the hands of Biden and his fellow neocons/neolibs, lest it potentially lose the moral high ground to the CCP.--Geopolitician (talk) 17:37, June 6, 2022 (EDT)

Climate update

China's carbon dioxide emissions have grown exponentially in recent years and now dwarf those of the rest of world. Yet arctic sea ice is growing. This article has a remarkable graph of CO2 emissions by country, as well as a chart of sea ice. For 1979-2022, the Earth warmed at a rate of 0.13 degrees Celsius per decade. At that rate, we will be one degree warmer in 77 years. PeterKa (talk) 10:56, May 24, 2022 (EDT)

But global warming is a hoax. So none of this is relevant to anything. --ClaudeMcH (talk) 16:23, May 24, 2022 (EDT)
If we're all gonna be dead in 9 years (per AOC, Beto, Kerry, etc) what difference does 77 years make (other waiting to find out vaccinated people were injected with baby fetuses). According to Henry Kissinger, we're all gonna be dead in 60 days anyway because of the nuclear war Victoria Nuland, Joe Biden, Samantha Power, Jake Sullivan, Antony Blinken et al started.
Warming peaked in 2016. It was also warmer in 1998 than it is this year. It safe to assume that the sun is responsible. PeterKa (talk) 19:27, May 24, 2022 (EDT)

Nancy Pelosi holy communion denying

After decision of Archibishop of San Francisco to prohibit a Catholic in name only Nancy Pelosi from receiving holy communion. Nancy Pelosi respond by pretending that she is against death penalty. And Catholic Church should also ban supporters of death penalty from holy communion receiving.

Nancy Pelosi didnt see difference between ending life of innocent baby and ending life of mass murderers and rapists --Alex Kosh (talk) 18:39, May 24, 2022 (EDT)

You sure seem to want to stick up hard for Child Molesters International. Northwestblowsmen (talk) 20:34, May 25, 2022 (EDT)

Sussmann trial update

[1] As someone who has tracked this story since before the 2016 election, let me interpret the significance. Durham is only going after non-government employees in order to protect the integrity of institutions. Andrew Weissmann leaked the Carter Page FISA application to now Senate Intel chair Mark Warner (from there WaPo and NYT got it). Weismann than headed the Mueller probe (Mueller was a Bidenesque placeholder in the investigation.) So, Mueller (Weissmann) essentially spent two years investigating himself. And the final report is known as "the Mueller Report."

Classic example how D.C. functions. They are ready for anything. RobSZ 22:56, May 24, 2022 (EDT)

Conservapedia/Andy Schlafly are right about video games and mass shootings.

Video games cause mass shootings. I don't know much about video games, so maybe someone like Andy, who has obviously done deep research on this, can explain to me why only American kids play video games? Because l can only imagine that the virtual absence of regular mass shootings in schools and shops in most other Western, industrialized nations must mean that they don't have access to this horrible scourge? If they can ban these things in other countries, why not in the US? --ClaudeMcH (talk) 13:48, May 25, 2022 (EDT)

Ban what? Guns or video games? And why do you think government action is the immediate solution, and not parental responsibility? RobSZ 14:44, May 25, 2022 (EDT)
Well, if video games cause shootings, and shootings only really happen on such a scale in the US, it follows that video game-playing only happens in the US. Obviously, Aussie, Kiwi, Canadian, French and German kids do not play video games, because if they did, they would be committing mass shootings at comparable rates. Since only American kids (broadly speaking, there will always be exceptions) commit mass shootings, and since video games are, as Andy argues, the sole and unique cause of mass shootings, then we have to ask, what can we do to eliminate video games from American culture, since, obviously, video games must not be a factor in countries that don't experience mass shootings in the way the US does? I said nothing about banning guns, because guns are irrelevant. The problem is only about video games. They are the only problem. ClaudeMcH (talk) 16:36, May 25, 2022 (EDT)
sheesh. What's the sophomoric phrase you guys like to use to impress yourselves as being intelligent, "causation does not mean correlation" or words to that effect. Maybe we are talking about influences, parental responsibility, and instilling a sense of duty to self, common sense, and moral values into children. But in your totalitarian outlook on life, because some teen mother abandoned her child to video games cause she couldn't afford a babysitter, and the kid becomes a mass murderer, law abiding citizens are suppose to give up the basic human right to self defense and financially support day care for people who made bad decisions in their own lives which the rest of us are suppose to sanction and approve of. RobSZ 17:10, May 25, 2022 (EDT)
Then, when they go to taxpayer funded, licensed daycare, what do the childcare "experts" do? Let them play video games all day.
So yah, let's just pass a law because we have another screaming headline to make government more powerful, and shrink our own personal liberty. That's the solution. RobSZ 18:41, May 25, 2022 (EDT)
A very sad story. Obviously video games are not the main problem and this is an American social problem. Blaming gun owners will not help, though I cannot see the need for a gun, other than for putting food on the table, or protection from dangerous animals. Maybe gun ownership should be tied to a genuine, disciplined militia, in accordance with the American constitution : "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state". Isn't this so in Switzerland? The current situation does not seem to be "well-regulated". The loss of spiritual values, lack of concern for others, materialism, poverty, poor mental and physical health, lack of contact with nature, and extremism in politics (including disrespect for other opinions), are the culprits. Such a waste. --Jackin the box (talk) 17:26, May 25, 2022 (EDT)
94% of mass shooting happened in gun free zone, is anyone talk about that in mainstream media or anywhere? --Alex Kosh (talk) 18:02, May 25, 2022 (EDT)
AR 15 price is from 521-849$. and Bushmaster XM-15 price from 645-763$, how those young murderers get that money while they only 18 years old. something fishy there, the parents of murderer should be hold accountable also --Alex Kosh (talk) 18:11, May 25, 2022 (EDT)
Maybe with a covid stimulus check, or they can trade food stamps for them. Drug dealing is a source of income, too. RobSZ 18:21, May 25, 2022 (EDT)

What is a "gun free zone"? Are you referring to metal detectors, or what, Alex Kosh? Maybe you mean 6% gun free? Maybe it would help if people read and properly followed their constitution? --Jackin the box (talk) 18:18, May 25, 2022 (EDT) PS It requires more than blaming parents.

"Gun Free" is a PR stunt to coddle the emotions of liberal parents. It means different things in different communities, in different states, depending on open carry laws, etc.. "Gun Free" can mean the school safety cops are unarmed in some jurisdiction (kinda like using the students as human shields like our friends, the Ukrainian Nazi defenders of democracy do.) RobSZ 18:26, May 25, 2022 (EDT)
The blood is on the heads of the teachers' unions, who want more school shootings. How do we know? Because they removed cops from the schools back in 2020. PeterKa (talk) 18:53, May 25, 2022 (EDT)
How quickly we forget. School policing is racist. RobSZ 18:58, May 25, 2022 (EDT)

So it's "normal" to have armed police in schools? So much twaddle!! Politics are clearly more important than the lives of innocent children.--Jackin the box (talk) 19:25, May 25, 2022 (EDT)

Apparently all or nearly all the young mass murderers have been violent video game addicts, and their heinous crimes mimic the games. I'm not sure kids in other countries are as addicted to these games, in such large numbers, as American teenagers are. Many foreign families are skeptical about American games, and rightly so.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 00:11, May 26, 2022 (EDT)

Addiction is an interesting way to frame it. So the effective approach would be to treat video game addicts, like, say, marijuana addicts and lock them and their suppliers away. --ClaudeMcH (talk) 18:38, May 26, 2022 (EDT)
Why is the default setting in your brain always locked on government power and government solutions? RobSZ 18:45, May 26, 2022 (EDT)
What, do you want to see killer drugs like marijuana decriminalized? If the government doesn't exist to protect us from existential threats like terrorism, Chinese nuclear arms, pot and video games, why does it exist at all? ClaudeMcH (talk) 19:32, May 26, 2022 (EDT)
Someone says, "We have a societal problem." You say, "Yah, government government government, laws laws laws, coersion coersion coersion," and what we are actually talking about are moral problems. You say, "Yah but I carried God out with the trash a long time ago, so let's use the sledge hammer of government." Pardon me but, this is Conservapedia. The rest of us look up to see who's swinging the sledge hammer. Your only solution is for one group of people (usually elitists) to beat down another group of people. And pardon me but, you seem to be more the type who likes wielding the sledgehammer, rather than someone who has been beaten down with it.
IOWs, nobody even pays attention to your "yah but marijuana," "Yah but video games should be banned" malarkey. You are peeing up a rope, my friend. Get with the program, if you think you're smart enuff to infiltrate a conservative website, engage with, confuse or deceive people. RobSZ 20:11, May 26, 2022 (EDT)

Do Mass Shootings Only Happen in the US? What percentage of mass shootings happen in the USA?[2]

Academic paper: "The U.S. is well below the world average in terms of the number of mass public shootings, and the global increase over time has been much bigger than for the United States." - Comparing the Global Rate of Mass Public Shootings to the U.S.’s Rate and Comparing Their Changes Over Time by John R. Lott, Crime Prevention Research Center, 2018[3]

Have you noticed that the news media has yet to give the religion of the latest two mass shooters in the USA? See also: List of atheist shooters and serial killers Conservative (talk) 13:56, May 27, 2022 (EDT)

That's an apples and oranges premise and argument. Many countries don't have a Second Amendment, so obviously the premise is skewed, as well as any numbers derived from it. RobSZ 14:12, May 27, 2022 (EDT)
Why is it skewed? Wanna buy a kitchen knife for some of that delicious Chinese food? Here's what you go through. But that doesn't stop mass stabbing attacks. RobSZ 14:23, May 27, 2022 (EDT)

Reefer madness in Texas

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It seems that the Uvalde, Texas shooter was the latest victim of reefer madness. He hated his mother and grandmother because they wouldn't let him smoke weed. See "Cannabis causes psychosis. Psychosis causes violence. It probably started with loose women and dancing the "hop" at the local soda fountain. Those old movies are more prophetic than we give them credit for. PeterKa (talk) 09:10, May 26, 2022 (EDT)

Liberals ruin MLB

The twitter accounts of the Yankees and Rays have been tweeting liberal nonsense about "gun violence" instead of giving game updates all in an attempt to politicize school shooting in Texas. First the NFL, now MLB. Soon conservative boys won't have any sports left! No wonder today's kids are going all sissy and homosexual --IScott (talk) 20:59, May 26, 2022 (EDT)

I think it's more race related; they figure they are doing a community service to inspire young minority males away from gang violence, drugs, guns, and Republicans. RobSZ 22:34, May 26, 2022 (EDT)

Democrats voting in Republican primaries

Is anybody questioning why Trump endorsed candidates losing their primary now? we see this with Madison Cawthorn, Jody Hice, David Perdue and Janice McGeachin

That because ten thousands of Democrats who throw their votes in Republican primary. Republican party leadership or any establishment media didnt report any of this

Democratic voters tempted to cast ballot in GOP primary, they say How many former Democrats voted in Idaho’s Republican primary? Here’s what numbers say --Alex Kosh (talk) 22:29, May 26, 2022 (EDT)

Bingo. Don't get so excited about a "red wave", GOP turnout, or rinos. It's crossover voters. RobSZ 22:31, May 26, 2022 (EDT)

I am excited because there some common sense candidates like JD Vance who will never beg to establishment --Alex Kosh (talk) 01:46, May 27, 2022 (EDT)

So what happens when you target RINOs? Crossover voters in safe conservative districts target conserves' and you get a RINO in a strong conservative district, and an unelectable conservative in a toss-up district. Net result: Zero. RobSZ 03:12, May 27, 2022 (EDT)
What conservatives need to do is persuade voters - not target GOP candidates. RobSZ 03:15, May 27, 2022 (EDT)
Its because of Republican establishment leaders in states, why they allow Democrats to vote in Republican primaries? only registered Republican who should be allowed to vote --Alex Kosh (talk) 13:59, May 27, 2022 (EDT)
You're opening a can of worms. American political parties are non-governmental, private entities. IMO, we should revisit why the state plays a role in selection of party candidates. RobSZ 14:09, May 27, 2022 (EDT)
The linked article says that just under 10,000 Idaho voters switched their registration to the Republican party for this primary. Meanwhile, 2,500 switched from unaffiliated to Democratic. It doesn't say how many switched from Republican to Democrat. Gov. Brad Little won his primary by 57,000 votes. So we can't blame party switching for the outcome.
Whatever the effect of strategic party switching was, the voting system should not encourage people to vote for someone they don't actually support. As long as primaries are partisan, the parties are not "non-governmental, private entities." Washington State and California have nonpartisan primaries where the top two candidates go on to the general election, regardless of party. Alaska also plans to institute a nonpartisan system. PeterKa (talk) 14:27, May 27, 2022 (EDT)
We're talking about party registration. Why does the state mandate that primaries and caucuses be held on the same day (except in Nevada) at the same location, that you publicly declare a "party preference" for what is a non-governmental position (i.e. the candidate of a private entity)? We don't even need to get into why the Secretary of States's office or state election commission, use of government-owned buildings, or paid county volunteers are involved.
The answer is quite simple - because the two major parties in 49 states (with the exception of Nevada) have agreed to that.
IOWs, (let's use Nevada as an example), the GOP theoretically could decide to use either an open or closed primary to select candidates, while the Democrats could choose to use the caucus method.
State primary election laws are the results of compromises between the two major parties (to which all third parties must dance to). But nothing is etched in stone that it needs to continue that way. RobSZ 14:51, May 27, 2022 (EDT)
As I said, you're opening a can of worms. There's a big difference between the American system and European-style parliamentary systems. In parliamentary systems, you join a party, perhaps pay a registration fee and maybe continuing dues, to which then you are entitled to vote in party elections for candidates for general office. In the American primary system, voting is open to anyone and everyone to vote in party elections for candidates to run in a general election.
Amidst all hoorah and propaganda of the 2016 primaries, Europeans were saying "Why doesn't the GOP just throw Trump out of the party?". Trump was running in a party election, not the general election. Under party anti-discrimination by-laws, you can't deny someone from running for a party post (in this case, presidential nominee). Once nominated, you cannot deny a person's right to run for office or vote, per the 14th & 15th Amendment.
Summary: US political parties are almost the exact opposite of parties in a parliamentary system. Parties in a parliamentary system are a closed group of conspirators, whereas American parties "open, free, and democratic" - even open to subversive infiltrators. RobSZ 15:23, May 27, 2022 (EDT)

Peter's analysis overlooks the impact of liberal donors funding RINO candidates. That effect is enormous.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 23:03, May 30, 2022 (EDT) date-stamp added later

Meanwhile in Michigan, two candidate drop out their name in Republican primary ballot by decision from Michigan Board of State Canvassers which lead by Democrat members. How can this board have power to intervene in Republican primary. Without notice, that those two candidates who were lead polls last month, and this two who were more able to defeat one of governors ever Gretchen Whitmer --Alex Kosh (talk) 16:56, May 29, 2022 (EDT)

Front-running gubernatorial candidate and former Detroit Police Chief James Craig filed a lawsuit Saturday challenging the action of the Michigan Board of State Canvassers that took him off of the August primary ballot. --Alex Kosh (talk) 16:57, May 29, 2022 (EDT)

Bingo again. How can a state election board intervene in what is essentially a private entity's election for a party position as nominee? RobSZ 20:24, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
Does the government have power to disqualify candidates running for the board of directors of a privately held corporation? No. RobSZ 20:27, May 30, 2022 (EDT)

The cops waited for AN HOUR before going into the school

Eff the Police. ClaudeMcH (talk) 20:24, May 27, 2022 (EDT)

Big deal; Putin waited 8 years before he went into Donbas. RobSZ 20:58, May 27, 2022 (EDT)
American psycho-proxies had been murdering children for 8 years in Donbas, now suddenly you get your underwear in knot cause authorities deemed the time wasn't right yet to end the violence and senseless killing? RobSZ 21:03, May 27, 2022 (EDT)
I didn't realize that your globalism ran so deep as to prioritize people living in some obscure backwater shithole country over American children. ClaudeMcH (talk) 21:26, May 27, 2022 (EDT)
I didn't realize your compassion for Nazis who murder 14,000 people ran so deep to vocalize your white supremacist views about the deaths of American children over Russian. RobSZ 21:50, May 27, 2022 (EDT)

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Paul Pelosi, husband of Speaker Pelosi, arrested for DUI. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/house-speaker-nancy-pelosis-husband-paul-arrested-in-california-charged-with-dui/ar-AAXRuYv?ocid=uxbndlbing --TheNewRight (talk) 17:20, May 29, 2022 (EDT)

What are we trying to do, rally support for the Defund the Police movement? Maybe the arresting officers were members of the Proud Boys. heck, there's a cop now fighting as a mercenary with the Nazis in Ukraine. RobSZ 02:40, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
What are the pronouns of the arresting officers? RobSZ 02:42, May 30, 2022 (EDT)

Putin Kamala wants to take your guns

"We fight them there so we don't have to fight them here" - Adam Schiff. Well, Ukraine ain't doing so well despite all our help, and impeaching Trump to make it happen. So I think I'm going to need my gun for when Putin invades. Can't really rely on the US government or NATO. RobSZ 00:58, May 30, 2022 (EDT)

Pope Francis, at it again

Once upon a time, you could assume the pope was Catholic. "Is the pope Catholic?" was a joke. If you want a pope who will destroy the church, Pope Francis is your man. Once again, we have to ask, Is the pope Marxist? See "Abortion-Communion controversy: Pope Francis elevates bishop who defended serving pro-choice politicians."

So what can we do about it? Ten Minute Bible Hour is interviewing pastors on a quest to find the best church in America. I was interested in the Monophysites because of Theodora. TMBH interviewed a Coptic priest. They're apparently not into that kind of thing any more. PeterKa (talk) 19:03, May 30, 2022 (EDT)

Tyrant of Canada

Tyrant of Canada Justin Castro want complete ban on guns in Canada Justin Trudeau Points to U.S. Gun Violence in Vow to Freeze Handgun Sales in Canada: 'This Is About Freedom' --Alex Kosh (talk) 21:28, May 31, 2022 (EDT)

Sussman aquitted

The Sussman jury had "three Clinton donors, an AOC donor, and a woman whose daughter is on the same sports team with Sussmann’s daughter." The jury acquitted because, “There are bigger things that affect the nation than a possible lie to the FBI,” according to the foreman.[4] Uh, the idea of a jury is that it examines the evidence and decides guilt or innocence. What this jury did sounds more like whataboutism. "What about Trump? Wasn't he worse?" I can hear them saying. Washington, DC juries have been highly partisan since the 1980s, when one refused to convict John Hinckley, Reagan's would-be assassin.

Trials should be videotaped with the jury watching the tape rather than attending the trial. If it was easier to be a juror, you could recruit a more representative jury. The judge could remove prejudicial material from the tape. If that's not enough, the tape could be shown to a jury in a less partisan part of the country. PeterKa (talk) 22:51, May 31, 2022 (EDT)

You left out the most important quotes from the jury forewoman. She stressed the verdict was not a ‘partisan decision’ and ‘politics were not a factor’. Another juror stated, ‘everyone pretty much saw it the same way.’ Despite what you’re insinuating, the jury actually examined the evidence and decided guilt or innocence. What evidence can you provide for your whataboutism concerning Trump? None I suspect. If jurors had donated to Trump, should they have been disqualified? --LSimons (talk) 09:40, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
Oh please! The foreman said that the prosecution should have focused on "bigger things." Coming from a jury of Clinton donors, that's code for Republicans. She is not suggesting that Hillary should be prosecuted! Whoever she's referring to, its whataboutism, and not a proper factor for a jury to consider. PeterKa (talk) 10:48, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
Jurors are allowed to have opinions, even opinions that disagree with you. 'Bigger things' means republicans? In what universe? Why are you bringing Hillary Clinton into this? She wasn't on trial, as much as you'd like her to be. Face it, 'Hillary For Prison' was simply another broken Trump promise, he didn't even try because there was absolutely nothing illegal to pin on her. --LSimons (talk) 12:15, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
Why am I bringing Hillary into this? Because I assume that she had a role in managing her campaign and therefore in concocting and spreading the Alfa Bank smear. There was certainly testimony to that effect. Hillary's "former campaign manager Robby Mook [testified that] she personally approved peddling the Alfa Bank tale to the media," according to this article. FBI Agent Scott Hellman investigated these claims. After two days, he determined that they were delusional nonsense, another nugget of information that didn't emerged until this trial. PeterKa (talk) 15:00, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
The bigger fish is the FBI. And with Comey & McCabe gone, there's no evidence the FBI has been reformed or will not interfere in a presidential election in the future. RobSZ 14:57, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
Give it up, there is nothing illegal about giving reporters information concerning Trump and a bank. If Durham found anything on Clinton or Fusion GPS, he would have filed charges. As for the FBI interferring with an election, you mean how Comey publicly acknowledged his investigation into Clinton's emails, sent a letter to Congress, and gave periodic updates? What if he did the same with Trump? --LSimons (talk) 15:10, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
You miss the whole context. Robby Mook testified under oath Hillary approved the operation. Trump has an ongoing suit for damages. The jury acquitted Sussmann cause the FBI already was determined to nail Trump with no evidence, they used Sussmann as an excuse to open an official investigation knowing Sussmann's info was bs, and continued the investigation after it was officially established as bs.
You would be incorrect. The trial was whether or not Sussmann lied to law enforcement. The jury said he did not. Get over it.--LSimons (talk) 19:33, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
All the facts established in the Sussmann trial will be used in future litigation. RobSZ 16:09, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
Durham failed to prove his case, and you're saying there will be future litigation? Sigh...--LSimons (talk) 19:33, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
Furhter: FBI misconduct and interference in elections will be used in upcoming Congressional hearings after November. RobSZ 16:12, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
We shall see. --LSimons (talk) 19:33, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
What the Sussmann trial establishes is, a paid DNC operative can walk into the highest levels of the FBI offices and convince them to harass Democrat opponents. We already know that's true about the media. RobSZ 16:18, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
When Trump fired Comey, he did so cause he knew Comey knew the investigation was found on faulty premises, and Comey refused to close it even after Trump was in office. The FBI investigation was used to get Flynn fired with "fruit of the poisonous tree" evidence and interfering with presidential prerogatives in the field of national security. When Trump fired Comey, the firing was used to appoint Mueller to continue the coverup of FBI misconduct. RobSZ 16:29, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
Lying to the FBI and encouraging your lawyer to lie to the FBI are of course illegal in and of themselves. The larger issue is that this was an "insurance policy," a mechanism to get an independent council appointed and challenge the legitimacy of the election if somehow Hillary lost it. Comey got his instructions from Obama. Hillary knows this. But she also knows that speaking ill of Obama would be political suicide. So she whines about Comey. Hillary wouldn't have been able to run for president at all if Obama and Comey hadn't exonerated her doubious email practices.
Update To get a conviction in a false statements case, the prosecution must show that the statement was both untrue and material. The FBI knew from the beginning that Sussman was lying, so the "material" part was tricky to prove. The defense could argue that the FBI would have investigated Alfa Bank regardless of what Sussman told them. Note that foreman did not claim that Sussman was telling the truth. PeterKa (talk) 09:52, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
That's exactly what happened. The defense proved that the FBI considered Sussmann's information "material" in order to justify opening an investigation cause they had no legal basis for the illegal FISA abuse that the FBI was already engaged in against Trump. RobSZ 10:21, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
FBI "contractors" had been illegally spying on the Trump team since at least November 2015, possibly as early as June or July 2015. The "FBI contractors" remain unknown, but Nellie Ohr was almost definitely one, Crowdstrike is highly suspected. (Some say FusionGPS was one, but Nellie Ohr was hired by Fusion in November 2015 so you can say Fusion, too). The FBI had a problem - How to justify their illegal spying (i.e. illegal misuse of the FISA 702 database which NSA Dir. Mike Rogers discovered in April 2016, about the same time Sussmann walked into Baker's office). Sussmann provided the "material" facts they needed to cover their butts and open an investigation.
The trial exposed FBI wrongdoing. Sussmann was never made an informant, as he should have been. He was just used by the FBI to cover their butts (a parallel situation is Carter Page - who was a government informant, and that fact was hidden from the FISA court by Kevin Clinesmith of the FBI to justify a full-fledged FISA Title 2 warrant).
<some explanation>FISA 702 is a quick check that Snowden described, it can be run on any cell phone number or email address without a warrant. It is illegal to do on American citizens (US persons), but is used on non-citizens the planet over); FISA Title 2 is a formal court approved warrant that allows the 2-hop rule - to apply the same electronic intrusions into the privacy of all the target's email and phone contacts. RobSZ 10:41, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
<analysis>You can see what happened here: Adm. Rogers discovered the FISA 702 abuse and cut off the contractors; Marc Elias told his law partner Sussmann, "Hey, go down there to Jim Baker's office and feed him this bs so the FBI can formally open an investigation and get the ball rolling again." RobSZ 11:03, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
IN SUM: Trump-Russia did not begin with Sussmann. It was already underway inside the FBI. Hillary Clinton approved talking to the media about the bogus information - she did not approve Sussmann talking to the FBI. She didn't need to - the FBI was already involved. Her involvement is with spreading lies to media, not with the internal DOJ/FBI corruption and FISA abuse. RobSZ 11:08, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
The plot to overturn the 2016 election was presumably initiated by Obama, with Comey as hatchet man. But Durham needed a low-ranking private individual to prosecute. Don't forget that Comey shived Hillary (twice!). It was all part of the plan. It left Obama as the top-ranking Dem and leader of the opposition, a position he seemed to enjoy even more than he did being president. PeterKa (talk) 11:16, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
Yah, that's all true. But there are two important facts to divide here: Internal FBI/DOJ corruption, and media lies. Hillary approved the media lies which created all the confusion. And media lies, based on the comments of LSimmons, are still being used to obscure government corruption. RobSZ 11:24, June 2, 2022 (EDT)


Update: Christopher Steele spreading "Putin had 7 heart attacks" bs. [5] RobSZ 14:54, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
2019 CPAC meeting: DOJ/FBI and Robert Mueller KNEW there Wasn't Trump/Russia Collusion! So what is new 3 years later with the Sussmann trial other than getting sworn facts on the record? RobSZ 13:03, June 6, 2022 (EDT)
So, one week ago we learned all about FBi interference in elections. Today, as the Pelosi Panel goes primetime in an election year stunt, the FBI arrests the GOP gubernatorial candidate in Michigan for being at the J6 rally (never mind the fact they could've arrested him anytime over the past year and half). Just a coincidence, huh? RobSZ+ 20:23, June 9, 2022 (EDT)