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Financial crisis of 2008[edit]

There was just two months work in this article reverted without explanation. The article is 5 years out of date and in need of updating. It is loaded with Prof. Jensen's hope that government Keynsian stimulus's are the solution to the crisis -- which has now been emphatically rejected by both the European Union and the United States through sequestration. Can we get meaningful discussion on any problems, or can the reversion be restored and I can continue, along with my work in Category:Budget terms, Fannie Mae, and other articles related to the crisis. Thank you. OscarO 22:20, 6 March 2013 (EST)


Hello I have seen that only administrators can upload pictures. So can you please uploud a picture of the dictator Alexander Lukashenko? Like this one --Alex00 12:34, 11 March 2013 (EDT)

There are limitations on use of that photo, which make it not worth the trouble for the relatively obscure figure.--Andy Schlafly 12:49, 11 March 2013 (EDT)

Arinze won't become pope[edit]

I notice to you the post that I have written on the talk page of cardinal Arinze, explaining why he won't become pope at all, I assume that since nobody answered me and you kept uphelding that Arinze will be elected on the main page's head... you didn't read it. --Swordsman 12:52, 13 March 2013 (EDT)

CPAC straw poll results[edit]

Mr. Schlafly, your headline for the CPAC straw poll contains the line " the older RINOs strike out.", is this meant to imply that you believe that the other candidates under consideration were RINOs? If that's the case, I couldn't help but notice that of the other 22 candidates on the ballot, only 2 appear on our RINO list here at Conservapedia (Chris Christie and Mitch Daniels). Would you like me to add the other names to the list? --DonnyC 19:58, 16 March 2013 (EDT)

No, the headline doesn't mean that every non-winner is a RINO. It means the RINO faction of the party struck out, including critics of Rand Paul and folks like Mitt Romney.--Andy Schlafly 22:03, 16 March 2013 (EDT)

Bullied and banned by liberal sysop for speaking the truth.[edit]

On the Steubenville rape case page, I, BenCG, correctly pointed out that the rape case was stalled by local Democrat officials, only to have justice brought by the Republicans at the state level. Apparently I offended the liberal sensibilities of liberal evolutionist and atheist User:Brenden. I can understand dealing with liberal bias and ignorance on Wikipedia. But to have to deal with it on Conservapedia at the behest of liberal sysops is disgusting. Brenden refuses to accept the facts surrounding the Steubenville rape case and, like an atheist, refuses to accept credit given to Republican AG Mike DeWine for his good, Godly work in bringing the perpetrators to justice. BenCG2 14:16, 18 March 2013 (EDT)

BenCG, your edits to the Steubenville rape case were in no way in good faith. I trust anyone with some sense can tell that the entire point of the article was not to complain about politics, but rather to explain the disgusting crime that took place. BenCG, instead of lying and manipulating people, why don't you go do something productive?brenden 00:07, 23 March 2013 (EDT)

Username Change[edit]

Hi Andy, would you be able to change my username to DickV so as I conform with the first name, last initial policy ? Cheers. 09:22, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

That's unnecessary at this point - the policy is for users who have not made substantive edits.--Andy Schlafly 09:28, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

Andy, the users who have not made substantive edits are the ones that get burned by the rule! You probably know that Mr. V, along with another of others, are occasionally beaten up for the appearance (emphasis on appearance) of hypocrisy in blocking people over the naming rule while not himself complying with it. He was simply lucky that no one was zealous in applying the rule when he was new. He is making a good-faith effort to fix this appearance of hypocrisy. Please let him do so. SamHB 22:47, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

I must admit I always assumed Vergne was the surname. Still if someone wants to change their name it can do no harm can it? --DamianJohn 22:51, 19 March 2013 (EDT)
So will you change my username please ? Dvergne 23:17, 22 March 2013 (EDT)


Hi Mr. Schlafly,

I am a relatively new user here at Conservapedia, but since I am very familiar with how MediaWiki works, I was able to "adapt" to here easily. I have a few questions about Conservapedia which probably only you could answer.

Thanks, DashP 14:27, 20 March 2013 (EDT)


Dear Mr. Schlafly,

Regarding this edit, may I suggest that you discuss any such reorganization of the article on the talk page first (as did I) before you make it. Also, some people may view marking the edit as "minor" may be misleading. Many thanks, Wschact 15:00, 24 March 2013 (EDT)

Best Wishes to you & yours[edit]

May many blessings be yours on this day of remembrance. :-) Taj 02:36, 31 March 2013 (EDT)

Happy Easter from me too --Alex00 08:11, 31 March 2013 (EDT)
Happy Easter, Mr. Schlafly! GregG 09:12, 31 March 2013 (EDT)

Template:Personal remark removed[edit]

Dear Mr. Schlafly,

Can you please edit the template to move the [[Category:Templates]] category inside the noinclude element? This way, pages using the template are not categorized as Templates, which is what is happening now. Thanks, GregG 22:16, 31 March 2013 (EDT)

Good suggestion, improved accordingly.--Andy Schlafly 23:05, 31 March 2013 (EDT)


Would you be able to unprotect the april fools day article and talk page ? For some reason User:Conservative decided to protect them both. On a more positive note, I hope your and your family had a happy and reflective Easter. Dvergne 11:45, 1 April 2013 (EDT)

Done per request.--Andy Schlafly 11:52, 1 April 2013 (EDT)
Thankyou for doing that. Added a few more examples. I am currently writing / improving the Thorium article and adding information about thorium reactors. I have a few diagmrams which show the energy and mass loss throughout the process. If I want to get them uploaded here where should I go and what should I do. Cheers Dvergne 12:07, 3 April 2013 (EDT)

Economics lecture six[edit]

Dear Mr. Schlafly,

Can you please have a look at Talk:Economics Lecture Six#NBA example? Thanks. GregG 19:33, 1 April 2013 (EDT)

No Nobel Prize was given for relativity[edit]

Andrew Schlafly, you have repeatedly stated that no Nobel Prize was given for relativity, Nobel Prizes have been awarded for applying relativity to electromagnetism, etc. So what's your spin (pun intended) on Paul Dirac's award in 1933? --AugustO 09:55, 2 April 2013 (EDT)

Are you talking about Dirac's shared prize with Erwin Schrödinger for quantum mechanics? Quantum mechanics disproves the theory of relativity.--Andy Schlafly 11:27, 2 April 2013 (EDT)
"Quantum mechanics disproves the theory of relativity." And how precisely is that? As an engineer -both by education and profession- I've never heard such. Please proceed to elaborate on your assertion. --DonnyC 13:56, 2 April 2013 (EDT)
Quantum mechanics disproves relativity in several ways, such as the action at a distance that occurs in quantum mechanics despite the theory of relativity insisting that is impossible.--Andy Schlafly 20:39, 2 April 2013 (EDT)

Andrew Schlafly, when you know near to nothing about a subject but nevertheless insist on making general claims like quantum mechanics disproves the theory of relativity, your readers have difficulties to discern whether those are intentional follies (belated April Fool's Day pranks) or unintentional ones (examples of the Dunning-Kruger effect). Heck, I even added links to the article on Paul Dirac which could have helped you!

Yes, Paul Dirac got his prize for his contributions to quantum mechanics - but for reconciling Special Relativity and Quantum Theory!

"The importance of Dirac's work lies essentially in his famous wave equation, which introduced special relativity into Schrödinger's equation. Taking into account the fact that, mathematically speaking, relativity theory and quantum theory are not only distinct from each other, but also oppose each other, Dirac's work could be considered a fruitful reconciliation between the two theories."

As an engineer you are not expected to be well versed on this subject, but if you want to contribute without looking like a know-nothing, you should make yourself familiar with the facts. Keyword: Quantum electrodynamics (QED)

--AugustO 11:29, 3 April 2013 (EDT)

I see that you have changed the claim "To date, a Nobel Prize has never been awarded for Relativity" to "To date, a Nobel Prize has never been awarded for confirming Relativity." I'd argue that the Nobel prize of 1936 for Carl David Anderson is a prize awarded for confirming Relativity, as the existance of the positron is not a consequence of quantum mechanics per se, but of Dirac's fusion of quantum mechanics and special relativity (QED). --AugustO 13:06, 10 April 2013 (EDT)

Grammar error on MPR[edit]

Dear Mr. Schlafly,

(This is cross-posted from User:Conservative/mail)

On MPR, we have the sentence "Obama Is [sic] spending $100 million dollars [sic] to try to undue [sic] God's confusion of language among other things." Not only is "Is" incorrectly capitalized, there is also a redundant use of the dollar sign and the word "dollars", and "undue" is not a verb. I have no idea what is meant by this prominent sentence.

Can you please fix this? Thanks, GregG 08:21, 3 April 2013 (EDT)

Excellent suggestions, Greg. Corrected now.--Andy Schlafly 08:57, 3 April 2013 (EDT)


Hello can you please expand the Template:Liberalism with Corruption and animal rights? --Alex00 10:43, 3 April 2013 (EDT)


Dear Mr. Schlafly: I do not understand the edit that you just made to the E=mc2 article. Is your concern the placement of the extended discussion in the lead paragraph rather than a separate section, or did you disagree with the sourced statements about conservative views on the civilian use of nuclear energy to generate electricity? Thanks, Wschact 09:37, 5 April 2013 (EDT)

The clearer, more informative introduction is preferred. Also, E=mc2 is not related to nuclear energy.--Andy Schlafly 10:11, 5 April 2013 (EDT)
Andrew Schlafly, what's your theory from where the energy of nuclear fusion or fission does come? --AugustO 05:51, 6 April 2013 (EDT)
I think we have a very polite but important difference of views here. As explained in E=mc2, the equatiion deals with energy and mass, it has no specific applicability to "light" per se. The equation was used to engineer both the A-bombs and the H-bombs as well as to predict the amount of energy released in all 109 nuclear reactors that currently generate electricity in the US. Of course, there are many more such reactors in other countries. the US Navy (and other countries) operate submarines powered by nuclear reactors. There are also small radiation sources powering various satellites in orbit. Assuming that E=mc2 were false "liberal claptrap", all of these would be designed and engineered by people who have no idea of how much energy will be released within them. This lack of scientific foundation for the nuclear engineering field would have profound implications for everyday life. Could you please direct me to a reliable source outside of Conservapedia that supports the other view? Many thanks, Wschact 08:06, 6 April 2013 (EDT)
Engineers are not even taught the liberal claptrap "E=mc2", and for good reason. The science fiction equation has nothing to do with anything in engineering.--Andy Schlafly 10:10, 6 April 2013 (EDT)
Agree! --Joaquín Martínez 10:54, 6 April 2013 (EDT)
Do we have any references to support the idea that E=mc2 contradicts the Book of Genesis? Do we have any references to support the idea that E=mc2 relates "light" to anything? Most nuclear engineering courses cover the physics and E=mc2. Thanks, Wschact 23:13, 6 April 2013 (EDT)

Glad you liked my ideas on upgrading the atheism, evolution and homosexuality articles[edit]

Glad you liked my ideas on upgrading the atheism, evolution and homosexuality articles. I will be implementing this in the next 30-90 days. This could certainly enhance their prominence on the internet.

Also, a reminder about reading the articles by the person who wants to help upgrade our collection of abortion articles. If you could read his articles, then we could beef up the Conservapedia Pro-life Project. Conservative 06:52, 6 April 2013 (EDT)

A little help[edit]

I was reviewing the news when I discovered that Senator McConnell's office was bugged. What I found interesting was how the MSN was spinning the story. You may remember that James O'Keefe was loudly shouted down by the MSN for supposedly bugging another Senator's office in 2010. Yet, there is no outrage here. Instead, the story is spun to protect "poor ol' Ashley Judd". I think this is a valuable point to be added to Conservapedia. My question is where? It seems to have linkages to Liberal Double Standards, Hollywood Values, Media Bullying, and Liberal Deceit but I'm having a hard time distilling the story in a pity way. Any suggestions? Thanks, WilliamWB 07:58, 10 April 2013 (EDT)

User:GregG/Other RSS[edit]

Can you please restore this page that was deleted by User:Conservative without explanation (and in violation of Conservapedia:Guidelines#Civility)? Thanks, GregG 23:10, 10 April 2013 (EDT)

What pages does the "Other RSS" capture?--Andy Schlafly 18:02, 11 April 2013 (EDT)
You can have a look at the deleted revisions (at least if I understand how sysop tools work on MediaWiki). They contained copies of (if I recall correctly) content from User:Conservative/FYI, User:Conservative/Gentlemen FYI and another page in User:Conservatives userspace that I can't remember at the moment.
By the way, I just noticed that you responded to my early voting and voter ID page in January. Thank you for your helpful suggestions. I will consider making changes to the page (especially in light of Virginia's and Arkansas's tightened voter ID laws and North Carolina's voter ID bill). GregG 21:16, 11 April 2013 (EDT)
I think I found a copy on here. There's a lot of pages that you can poke through at your leisure.brenden 13:30, 12 April 2013 (EDT)

Possible bug (non-urgent, just odd)[edit]

I've been working on adding links to pages on the Dead-end page list here: and the current top entry (in alphabetical order) is simply a piece of text rather than a link. It says "28_U.S.C._�_1746" which as far as I can tell is a reference to 28 U.S.C. § 1746 but that is not a Dead-end page. I assume it is the special character (§) which is somehow causing the error. Just thought I'd bring this to your attention. Thank you for your time, Fnarrow 17:57, 11 April 2013 (EDT)

Great catch. I'll try to think of some way to fix that problem. But thanks in part to your edits, there are less than 700 dead-end pages now!--Andy Schlafly 18:00, 11 April 2013 (EDT)

No problem, I'm still working my way through them. Fnarrow 18:04, 11 April 2013 (EDT)

Found another one... a page about the chain of stores A&P is impossible to access... at least it is to me. I tried everything I can think of and always land on the page for A. Sorry to bother you again, Fnarrow 18:22, 11 April 2013 (EDT)\

The same issue occurs with AT&T Mobility v. Concepcion and C++. I think this is due to Conservapedia's server not being set up to handle special characters in URLs in the way that Wikipedia does. GregG 21:18, 11 April 2013 (EDT)


I've had to revert darkbludd's extensive vandalism several times i wish there was a button that would send an alert to an online mod, to examine his activity to see if it merit's either a talking to or a banning. Plus u guys are awesome with a simple undo option :)

request for SkipCaptcha[edit]

Mr. Schlafly, I was hoping I might be granted SkipCaptcha rights. I believe my edit history shows that I am here in good faith and doing my best to make articles here the best they can be.--DTSavage 22:09, 11 April 2013 (EDT)

Bashar al-Assad[edit]

The article Bashar al-Assad is not written from a conservative view. Should it be deleted or revised? --Alex00 11:57, 12 April 2013 (EDT)

With a quick glance, I didn't see anything wrong with the entry. This is not a neoconservative website.--Andy Schlafly 12:07, 12 April 2013 (EDT)
I mean the article says he is anti-american. But just watch this video by the rebels --Alex00 08:09, 21 April 2013 (EDT)

Dead-end pages: Homework answers[edit]

Thank you for answering my first question about deleting those or not, but now I have another... Would it be alright if I added a "See Also" section to the bottom of each of those pages (I know your busy man, so the pages are Here and Here if you forgot what I'm talking about) and linked them back to the homework question pages they referred to? My ultimate goal is to completely clear that list and I can't think of another way to get those off of it. Any alternative ideas for links on them would also be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Fnarrow 14:20, 12 April 2013 (EDT)

I would think that wikifying a term in a question would be an easier way to remove it from the dead-end list, but a "See also" is fine too if you prefer that.--Andy Schlafly 14:34, 12 April 2013 (EDT)

I'll do it your way, I just didn't want to alter someone's homework in any way until I asked. Thanks! Fnarrow 16:09, 12 April 2013 (EDT)

Wikilinking part of a question would not alter any part of the answer.--Andy Schlafly 19:23, 12 April 2013 (EDT)


Is Newt Gingrich a RINO backer? He supports illegal aliens and believes in global warming.--Alex00 11:24, 14 April 2013 (EDT)

No, I don't think Newt is a RINO Backer, though Newt occasionally has supported some liberal views.--Andy Schlafly 11:16, 15 April 2013 (EDT)

Dead-end Page Un-Protect Requests[edit]

Here are a list of pages that I've found on the dead-end page list which are protected, if you could please un-protect them so I can remove them from the list it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your ongoing help with this project, it might just be me, but I've always felt that dead-end pages were the cancer of any wiki. Fnarrow 13:45, 14 April 2013 (EDT)

I added some links to these pages (I was looking for something useful to do) is that enough to get them removed from the "dead-end" list? Thanks, Taj 02:45, 15 April 2013 (EDT)
Done. --Joaquín Martínez 08:19, 15 April 2013 (EDT)

Taj, Joaquín Martínez. Thank you. Fnarrow 17:51, 15 April 2013 (EDT)

You are most welcome! :-) I hope my edits were helpful. Do you need any more assistance with "dead-end" articles? (I am assuming adding an internal link will remove them from the list). I don't want to get in the way if you already have a procedure in place and have already planned on what to do when, but please let me know if you would like me to do a few (I am kind of slow, though, just to let you know). Thanks, Taj 18:40, 15 April 2013 (EDT)

Found some more protected ones...

and Taj sorry for the delay, I just saw your offer. I don't have any special process in place, I just go to the list (edit console->special pages->Dead-end pages or Here if you prefer a direct route) and click on the first option that I can edit and add some internal links to existing pages. Any help you (or anyone else) wants to offer would be more than appreciated. Thanks Fnarrow 16:08, 17 April 2013 (EDT)

Ok, I'll do a few too. :-) I guess every little bit helps! Taj 03:19, 22 April 2013 (EDT)

Weight of gold[edit]

Hi, Andy. I worked on troy ounce a bit. [1] --Ed Poor Talk 11:03, 15 April 2013 (EDT)

That's great additional info!--Andy Schlafly 11:16, 15 April 2013 (EDT)


Sorry to bother you (again... lol) but my curiosity has been peaked again. As far as I can tell, I have not been blocked or anything, yet one time last week and for a substantial portion of the last two days I found myself unable to edit anything. I could see other people making updates on the "recent changes" page, so I know the site wasn't down or completely locked, but could not access anything myself. I sent an email to the Cpwebmaster address last time it happened, but received no response. Thanks for any advice/solutions you can give me. Fnarrow 15:27, 17 April 2013 (EDT)


Dear Mr. Schlafly,

I noticed that the template wasn't protected, so I made a quick fix to it. Can you protect it now? Thanks, GregG 20:18, 17 April 2013 (EDT)

Great suggestion. Protected the entry ... and thanks for mentioning this.--Andy Schlafly 21:52, 17 April 2013 (EDT)


Hello can you please unblock Kentucky Fried Chicken so that I would be able to write this article. --Alex00 08:26, 18 April 2013 (EDT)

    • I would also like this to happen as I would like to work on the article as well. Dvergne 09:40, 18 April 2013 (EDT)


The article Suharto is liberal propaganda.--Alex00 09:44, 18 April 2013 (EDT)

European sovereign-debt crisis[edit]

Hello I see you are writing Economics lectures but there is nothing about the European sovereign-debt crisis in Conservapedia. I am not very interesting in Economy. So can you please write something about it.--Alex00 13:25, 18 April 2013 (EDT)


It seems the terrorists where muslims who illegally made their way to america. I think this warrants a story. Apparently according to reports on twitter, the older brother was majorly into videogames such as battlefield and call of duty. Dvergne 07:41, 19 April 2013 (EDT)

Video games[edit]

Andy, I find your obsession with the issue of video games and their contribution to real life violence compelling. I'm curious: What do you think should be done about it? Should violent video games be censored in the US? JunoD 22:45, 19 April 2013 (EDT)

Name Change[edit]

Any chance of me being able to get my username changed to DickV

Talk:Gun control#New Infographic[edit]

As you are one of the main contributors to the Gun control page, I'm writing here to ask you to follow the link I posted in the heading of this section and read the data I found. I think it could be very helpful to the article, but as I said there I'm far from an expert in interpreting that kind of data. Thanks, Fnarrow 11:56, 20 April 2013 (EDT)

User:Conservative and my userspace, redux[edit]

Dear Mr. Schlafly,

Last night User:Conservative deleted two pages in my userspace without explanation (see [2]). This bullying (for lack of a better word) by User:Conservative has got to stop. I would appreciate your assistance. Thanks, GregG 21:02, 21 April 2013 (EDT)

I wish you wouldn't take this so personally that you immediately resort to name-calling. Please take a look at Conservapedia:Avoid personal remarks, which I originally wrote for Wikipedia and copied here.
Moreover, I have occasionally deleted some of Conservative's userspace pages. He never batted an eye. I assume if he objected, he would have asked for an explanation. Did you do so?
All this drama here at the encyclopedia is really boring. At best, it's a distraction. And distraction is liberals' number one "debating tactic". If you want us to support you more, try getting with the program. Focus on writing. --Ed Poor Talk 17:40, 28 April 2013 (EDT)

Account Creation[edit]

Hi, I tried to create an account for my sons so they could start contributing to the project, however I keep on getting an alphanumeric error saying the characters I am using are not alphanumeric. DicksonV seems pretty alphanumeric to me. Dvergne 08:33, 23 April 2013 (EDT)


User:Fnarrow is undertaking the Herculean task to clean up the Special:DeadendPages. At User:Conservapedia's contact page, he made the following reasonable request:

The above pages are all yours and currently stuck on the Dead-end page list because they are protected. When you get a chance, could you please add a wikilink in each of them to help me get them off of there? It would be much appreciated. Thanks, Fnarrow 16:22, 23 April 2013 (EDT)

User:Conservative's answer:

No. I have other priorities. Sorry, but I will not accommodate this request. Conservative 16:55, 23 April 2013 (EDT)

I chimed in:

I'd ask you to reconsider your position: it should take you less time and less effort to add a wikilink to these pages than User:Fnarrow to construct the list and to link to the pages! You could do it when you can't find sleep at night. User:Fnarrow invested much time in the project to clean up Special:DeadendPages, helping Conservapedia to look more professional. You should support this IMO. --AugustO 17:06, 23 April 2013 (EDT)

As I have the habit to save my contributions, this was preserved when User:Conservative deleted his contact page, shouting out "NO" to these request!

Please, could you either

  • add a wikilink to the pages
  • advice User:Conservative to do so
  • unprotect the pages

--AugustO 18:59, 23 April 2013 (EDT)

Official Complaint Regarding friction with User:Conservative[edit]

Note: Sorry to repeat most of what AugustO posted above, but I was suddenly locked out in the middle of trying to post this earlier. Thankfully, I too save my contributions in word. I would like to offer this recent experience I had with Conservative   with those attempting to improve this site. As you know, I have been working to eliminate Special:DeadendPages and took advantage of his finally open message page to post the following request:

Conservative, a favor please...[edit]

The above pages are all yours and currently stuck on the Dead-end page list because they are protected. When you get a chance, could you please add a wikilink in each of them to help me get them off of there? It would be much appreciated. Thanks, Fnarrow 16:22, 23 April 2013 (EDT)

No. I have other priorities. Sorry, but I will not accommodate this request. Conservative 16:55, April 2013 (EDT)
I'd ask you to reconsider your position: it should take you less time and less effort to add a wikilink to these pages than User:Fnarrow to construct the list and to link to the pages! You could do it when you can't find sleep at night. User:Fnarrow invested much time in the project to clean up Special:DeadendPages, helping Conservapedia to look more professional. You should support this IMO. --AugustO 17:06, 23 April 2013 (EDT)

Thank you for your support AugustO. Conservative, I also implore you to reconsider as sure you can see that I'm trying to do what is best for th site as a whole. Should you choose to give up a few seconds to assist me in this, I'd also ask that you please delete the following page:

It is also protected by you and is nothing more than a broken redirect. Thank you, Fnarrow 17:29, 23 April 2013 (EDT)

The interaction was concluded when Conservative deleted the whole conversation with and edit comment of "NO!" as can be witnessed in the "recent changes page. I know that at least most of the editors on this site want nothing more than to see it succeed, but   not everyone feels that way</s>. Thank you for your time Mr. Schlafly, I hope we can all come to a satisfactory conclusion on this matter as I know I am not the only editor who feels this way. Fnarrow 21:23, 23 April 2013 (EDT)

I hate to re-open a can of worms here, but I really do feel that this page is once again relevant. In the past week, User:C has unilaterally deleted no less than 5 active discussions, blocked 1 dissenting user,   told a user to go bother someone else, instead of spending 5 minutes on fixing dead end pages, {{personal remark|and then spent the rest of his edits trolling on the Talk:Main Page, calling other users "evolutionists",++ etc. Please do something about this. brenden 14:14, 24 April 2013 (EDT)

The deletions of GregG's pages should stop. GregG is a good contributor here.--Andy Schlafly 15:14, 24 April 2013 (EDT)

No offense intended, but that is only a very minor part of the problem... Fnarrow 15:20, 24 April 2013 (EDT)
ADDENDUM: Conservative has now gone beyond   refusing to add wikilinks to pages which he has protected in order to keep "the best of the public" from contributing and has begun undoing the work I've already done, thereby adding pages back onto the list as I attempt to eliminate them. Please do something to stop this immediately or I will be forced to leave this site. I truly believe in what you are attempting to accomplish here and I want to help, but I will not put up with being bullied while trying to do so. Fnarrow 00:55, 27 April 2013 (EDT)

How dare you speak to senior management like that? No less than six personal remarks:

Any of the personal remarks in your complaint is far worse than the loss or delay in editing of which you complain.

You better chill out, and I hope you do. Think it over this weekend, and then come back next week with a more humble attitude.

If you want to work with America's top educators, start by conducting yourself with the proper decorum. Don't try to bully us by turning the tables on us: we see right through it. --Ed Poor Talk 17:49, 28 April 2013 (EDT)


Mr Schlafly,

Drop me an email at samcoulter71 "at" hotmail com. I notice you're still having trouble with spambots. We have a trick at AW that stops them creating pages once they sign up. You might find it useful.

Sam --SamuelFC 11:34, 26 April 2013 (EDT)

Why the complaints about me will go nowhere[edit]

Brendon is upset about my anti-homosexuality news stories on the main page and my reversal of him trying to water down one of the Conservapedia articles.

GregG, Fnarrow and AugustO don't like my anti-Darwinism activity at Conservapedia.

Other liberals have complained about me in the past and it went nowhere. What makes you folks so special that your efforts are going to succeed? This is just one of the many liberal Pickett's Charges that will go nowhere fast. Conservative 01:16, 27 April 2013 (EDT)

I won't bother asking for a retraction since I know you won't give it, so I'll just give a rebuttal for myself as I do not know Brenden,GregG or AugustO personally and wouldn't presume to speak for them. Her are my points, I don't care if you believe them or not, I'm just putting the facts out there for the best of the public to come to their own conclusions.
  1. You say past protests have gone nowhere, yet Aschlafly expressly told you above to stop deleting GregG's pages. However, since you referred to it as "Pickett's Charge" a battle in which the Union Army suffered massive losses in spite of their decisive victory, so I will agree that it was an appropriate analogy so far.
  2. I am not a liberal, I am a Conservative Libertarian as I have clearly stated Here. I know they both start with the prefix "liber-" but I assure you they are two different things. I have wikilinked each of the terms in this point for your convenience.
  3. I honestly couldn't care less about your "anti-Darwinism" beliefs. My only problem, which I have clearly expressed Here and in other pages which no longer exist, is your placement of the links to your blog. We need to have a "In the Blogs" or "Around the Web" section on the Main Page where these posts can go as they are not news.
That is all for now, have a wonderful weekend. Fnarrow 11:24, 27 April 2013 (EDT)
User:C, my only complaint with you, is your extensive use of MPL for personal content, and your tactics of silencing questions about you, deleting active discussion pages, and your "Holier-than-thou" approach in locking your talk pages, and demanding that any queries/complaints about you are directed to some other user. brenden 14:46, 27 April 2013 (EDT)

A few things:

1. I explained to Andy that Greg's obsessiveness in tracking/cataloging my edits was odd and a little annoying, but I will just ignore it. They say every man should have a hobby and I will just accept the fact that GregG has an odd hobby.

2. There are a few things that are occurring in my off wiki activities that will be taking up more and more of my time. As a result, I think I will be making less main page citations to the Question evolution! campaign blog. For example, in the last week, I believe there were 3 main page citations to the blog. Of course, I reserve the right for this to change as I certainly don't want to give the impression that I am backing down to Darwinists. :) Plus, I like to keep an air of unpredictability/inscrutability and always keep my Darwinist detractors guessing. :)

3. The Apostle Paul said to be at peace with all men if possible.

Also, in early April of 2013, I got this message from a Conservapedian:

"It seems like there have been too many people coming to the wiki just to make personal remarks and insults and try to stir up arguments. It looks to me like a bunch of bullies have been targeting you recently. I hope you are able to ignore them as much as possible."

I will reopen my message page. Lately, there have been some Conservapedians choosing to leave petty and non-urgent posts to this message page. Again, I will endeavor to be at peace with Conservapedia Darwinists, non-Christians and those who are not conservative on social issues, but should this recent spat of unimportant messages occur in my message box by a few Conservapedians, I will shut the message box down. Conservative 16:42, 27 April 2013 (EDT)

Thank you, user:C. brenden 17:26, 27 April 2013 (EDT)
This indeed is a good faith effort on your part Conservative. I join Brenden in thanking you. Now, I would hope you'd make it official by taking the minor step of unlocking your new message area. Thanks. --DonnyC 19:26, 27 April 2013 (EDT)
Thanks. I inadvertently left it locked. I unlocked it. Conservative 20:22, 27 April 2013 (EDT)
User Conservative: Seriously mate, I would hate to see you leave CP. what would Conservapedia be without Andy's 1st Lieutenant, Besides, someone has to keep us "Liberals" in line. --Patmac 07:55, 28 April 2013 (EDT)
Patmac, we will see what the future brings. Thanks for your kind sentiments. Conservative 16:04, 28 April 2013 (EDT)
Don't leave, bro! You are the bulwark of Conservapedia. --Ed Poor Talk 17:57, 28 April 2013 (EDT)

To User:C:

  1. I am not a liberal, contrary to what you may suggest.
  2. I am not opposed to your anti-evolution activities based on the fact they oppose evolution. My issue is that your activities (such as linking to anonymous blog posts with questionable journalistic standards and articles that tend not to be newsworthy on our main page "In the News" section) are harming the quality of Conservapedia, in ways I have previously described. I understand that this site opposes evolution and the theory of relativity, and I respect that.
  3. Thank you for taking the time to write a thoughtful response. I appreciate it. And I agree 100% with Patmac and Ed Poor: I want you to stay around as an editor. You have been one of the most prolific editors on this project and a real asset. Although I do have concerns with whether you should have sysop tools and oversight, I think you have certainly shown yourself to be a very capable editor, a real asset to the project. And if you do need to take time off or otherwise contribute less due to other commitments, I will certainly understand.

GregG 08:33, 29 April 2013 (EDT)

Conservative has my full support. Please use Andy's talk page for suggestions about improving content, and stop making personal remarks.
If you have better ideas about news capsules for the main page, suggest them! --Ed Poor Talk 09:41, 29 April 2013 (EDT)
It was not my intent to make any personal attacks. Please let me know what comments you thought were ad hominem attacks against Conservative and I will endeavor to conduct myself not to make similar personal remarks. Further, I have suggested numerous news items in the past. One that I would suggest that is timely right now is the North Carolina legislature's consideration of a voter ID bill and the exaggerated protests against it by the NAACP. GregG 10:25, 30 April 2013 (EDT)

Fnarrow infinite block[edit]

I am a friend of Fnarrow and he asked me to post the copy of this email which he sent to on the user talk pages ofa few people whom he said had always been fair to him.

I got banned for a day and then Karajou immediately changed it to infinite for no apparent reason immediately after it expired. I have cut the dead end pages by nearly half during my short time there and feel i have made substantive improvements to other articles during that time. While i have had disagreements with Karajou and Conservative, i have always been respectful and adhered to the Conservapedia commandments. Finally, I never had a chance to respond to my accuser and did nothing to deserve this treatment. Please forward this to Mr. Schlafly for review. Thank you, Fnarrow

If my opinion counts for anything, Frank really is a great and passionate guy who could add a lot of valuable knowledge to yosite. That is all, please keep up the great work. JSandler 14:37, 28 April 2013 (EDT)

Tell him if he follows my advice (see above) he can come back. --Ed Poor Talk 17:58, 28 April 2013 (EDT)
  • When User:Fnarrow started his campaign to get rid of the Special:DeadendPages, there were more than 500 pages listed in this category. Fnarrow brought this down to 303. (For comparison: the much bigger English wikipedia lists some 600 pages in So I think our first reaction to this should be to say Thank you, Fnarrow.
  • Fnarrow asked User:Conservative to help him by adding wikilinks to four pages which were only edited by User:Conservative and were protected by him - see #Special:DeadendPages above. When User:Conservative refused this plea, hilarity ensued: the line Conservative demonstrating his lack of co-operation with those attempting to improve this site seems to describe Conservative's behavior in this matter very accurately!

--AugustO 18:16, 28 April 2013 (EDT)

There's nothing funny about making personal remarks. I won't tolerate it, and your defending such remarks by ignoring them is a gray area.

Why try to push C around, when you have courteous and friendly me right here, eager to assist you? "Lose the battle, win the war." --Ed Poor Talk 18:56, 28 April 2013 (EDT)

As I said above:
Please, could you either
  • add a wikilink to the pages
  • advice User:Conservative to do so
  • unprotect the pages
There is a fourth alternative, seeing that two of the pages in question have already been deleted in the meantime:
Thank you. --AugustO 01:22, 29 April 2013 (EDT)
AugustO, I think you need to ask Joaquín what minimalism is. :) Adding wikilinks to Essay: Atheist holidays filled with goodwill, charitableness and good cheer and Essay: Great and inspiring art by atheists on atheism would detract from their appearance. They have category tags and they are linked to from Essay:Comedy and satires concerning atheism and evolution and perhaps some other pages. They have thousands of views and people enjoy them. That is enough. I am not going to fix what is not broken. Conservative 03:13, 29 April 2013 (EDT)
Perhaps we should focus on the important policy question -- what is the definition of a successful wiki? Fnarrow felt strongly that a successful wiki should not have any "deadend" pages. In other words, every page should link to at least one other page. Many people also feel that in a successful wiki, each page represents the consensus of a community of editors, and no one editor "owns" a page. What does the CP leadership and the editor corps as a whole think about these two questions? Perhaps Andy could edit some of the site's policy pages to clarify these points. Thanks, Wschact 05:21, 29 April 2013 (EDT)
  • User:Conservative, much drama could have been avoided if you have stated your reason for not adding wikilinks (Adding wikilinks to [...] would detract from their appearance.) in the first place, instead of the answer you have actually given (No. I have other priorities. Sorry, but I will not accommodate this request.)
  • try and add
     <div style="padding-bottom: 5in"></div>see also [[Essay: Great and inspiring art by atheists on atheism]] 
to the end of Essay: Great and inspiring art by atheists on atheism - this will even strengthen the appearance of your (IMO feeble) joke.
--AugustO 08:03, 29 April 2013 (EDT)
              • I have added a poll to the talk page of that article to see whether people think the article (if you can call it that) should be deleted or not. I propose that the course of action that is taken is that chosen by the community. Dvergne 08:27, 29 April 2013 (EDT)
  • There's nothing funny about making personal remarks. I won't tolerate it, and your defending such remarks by ignoring them is a gray area. Indeed, personal remarks don't belong in this wiki. I applaud you for not tolerating them. I'm not defending such remarks by ignoring them, but I don't feel it necessary to come to the aid of those who have all the powers to help themselves: I think such an action is just a waste of time. But for your benefit I will spell it out: I don't think it is appropriate to call User:Conservative childish. This is especially hurtful for a teenager, and therefore especially such accusations should be avoided. As for demonstrating his lack of co-operation: At the beginning of this affair, User:Conservative has unfortunately given the impression that he wasn't very collaborative - this is an observation and not a personal remark. It seems that this has been rectified, so the wiki's team-play has been improved. I'm fully confident in User:Conservative to protect himself against personal attacks, in my opinion it is far more necessary to protect the defenseless against such remarks, which too often are made without any repercussions: I remember being called a liberal (which is certainly a slur on this site!) without any sysop rushing to my aid.
  • Why try to push C around, when you have courteous and friendly me right here, eager to assist you? "Lose the battle, win the war." I don't push User:Conservative around: I make constructive proposals to remedy an unpleasant situation. As you can see from Essay: Great and inspiring art by atheists on atheism and Essay: Great and inspiring art by atheists on atheism, User:Conservative took up my advice. I'd have appreciated an eagerness to assist me in the ways I had outlined a couple of days ago, but now this assistance isn't necessary any longer. So, thank you, I'm sure you meant to be courteous and friendly.
--AugustO 13:37, 29 April 2013 (EDT)

Tim Tebow[edit]

It seems that Tim Tebow has been dropped by the Jets. Hopefully he can get picked up by Seattle so he can play with the up and coming Aussie superstar Jesse 'Monstar' Williams! Dvergne 08:48, 29 April 2013 (EDT)

Liberals and Libertarians[edit]

Anyone who watches Ann Coulter addressing students recently, while John Stossel moderated (short clip), can understand the difference between liberals and libertarians. There are some conservative Americans who blur the distinction, but I think it's worth making.

  • By the way, John Stossel's philosophical transition from liberalism to libertarianism bears some study, if we Conservapedians care about making an impact. (He's also the only talk show "host" who has been polite to Ann Coulter while debating with her.)

Conservatives and libertarians have a few things in common, and I wish someone would help me make an article here about those things. --Ed Poor Talk 09:54, 29 April 2013 (EDT)


Dear Mr. Schlafly,

Can you please take a look at the pages listed and delete these redirects. Thanks, GregG 10:36, 30 April 2013 (EDT)

News items for the main page[edit]

Earlier, Greg G. wrote:

  • I have suggested numerous news items in the past. One that I would suggest that is timely right now is the North Carolina legislature's consideration of a voter ID bill and the exaggerated protests against it by the NAACP. GregG 10:25, 30 April 2013 (EDT)

Where's the best place to suggest news items for the main page? Is there a talk page just for this? --Ed Poor Talk 10:46, 30 April 2013 (EDT)

I made section for this on Talk:Main_Page#MPR_Article_Suggestion... Aschlafly took the first one I suggested, but I think we need to make it more visible some how so those who can edit MPR see it and can either use or reject the suggestions after reading/judging them.

MPR archiving[edit]

Dear Mr. Schlafly,

Could you please shorten MPR by archiving old headlines/stale news? Currently, the earliest news dates back to late February and is probably of little continuing value on our main page. Thanks, GregG 08:55, 6 May 2013 (EDT)

Thanks for taking care of this! GregG 09:35, 9 May 2013 (EDT)


Dear Mr. Schlafly,

This page needs to be protected as a template. Thanks, GregG 09:34, 9 May 2013 (EDT)

Thanks for the suggestion.--Andy Schlafly 00:25, 10 May 2013 (EDT)

@User:Conservative - Why did you delete User:DonnyC/Creationism?[edit]

@User:Conservative: Why did you delete User:DonnyC/Creationism? Isn't that part of his user-page - in other words, his castle?

@User:Aschlafly: User talk:Conservative is protected from editing again - as is his amusing "mail-page". For communication, he provides us with the list of administrators - that's why this topic ended up here. Sorry.

--AugustO 09:23, 12 May 2013 (EDT)

secular left[edit]

I will do some extra digging and research on the contemporary Secular left and find sources, etc. and incorporate that into the atheism article in a section probably after the atheism and communism section. I am working on some things now, but I promise to do this. Conservative 21:58, 12 May 2013 (EDT)

I think this is a good start as a source but I think the secular left's disdain goes behind the Christian Right and evangelicals in the United States: Conservative 22:06, 12 May 2013 (EDT)
This article goes beyond the secular lefts disdain for the Christian Right and evangelicals and discusses it in a broader context: Conservative 22:11, 12 May 2013 (EDT)

Hotze v. Sebelius compaint online[edit]

Or at least something that appears to be the complaint, on Scribd. I don't know where you want to put materials relating to the Hotze suit, so I'm leaving it here. I am also reading through the complaint right now. GregG 23:01, 12 May 2013 (EDT)

Thanks. I hope to post the key documents here also in the near future.--Andy Schlafly 00:05, 13 May 2013 (EDT)

Block of User:DonnyC[edit]

Andrew Schlafly, could you please review the block of User:DonnyC? The length of the block (3 month) is egregious, and frankly, the whole block seems to be done out of spite (see #@User:Conservative - Why did you delete User:DonnyC/Creationism? above):

  • User:Conservative disregarded User:DonnyC's contributions to the CBP. In addition, I am not a fan of the Conservative Bible Project. With that being said, I would not count on your strategy of editing the Conservative Bible Project and Conservapedia debates being a viable strategy of editing from now on. Is a user not allowed to get involved into discussions on the main talk page, only because his main interest lies with the CBP?
  • User:Conservative expects User:DonnyC to address his this "rejoinder" User:Conservative/DonnyC dodged this rejoinder as a prerequisite for readmission. While I understand the wish to see a Conservapedia:Writing plan, are we common users expected to answer to each and any rambling address of a junior sysop - especially of one with such a history of evasive tactics (Sun Tzu told him so...)
  • User:Conservative state If you decide to return after your 3 month block, there will be a 3 month probationary period where you will not have main page talk privileges. That's just absurd: the whole humdrum arose from pointing out a spelling error on the main page - perfectly fitting the purpose of Talk:Main Page, i.e., to improve the main page! And User:DonnyC shouldn't do so in the future?

Andrew Schlafly, I have lauded you to give young men (and women) positions of responsibility on this web-site. But we all know that teenagers especially may get carried away, therefore you have to supervise them more closely. That is a difficult task, but as the case of User:DonnyC shows, it is necessary. --AugustO 04:02, 14 May 2013 (EDT)

Blocking User:DonnyC sets the wrong tone for our editor community. Please look into it. Thanks, Wschact 06:14, 14 May 2013 (EDT)

Some very important news the last few days[edit]

With the Boston Marathon DNA and the Murdering abortionist. News that people should know, unfortunately many people only read the first 3 or 4 headlines so they are not reading this news as the headlines are constantly pushed down by posts from The Question Evolution blogspot. I am not criticizing the blog it but the "news" is always the same, to the extent that Conservapedia , to uninformed newcomers, seems almost a proxy to this blog. Can you do something about this?--Patmac 22:29, 14 May 2013 (EDT)