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[3] One of the biggest mistakes Western military planners make is failing to comprehend Russia's ability to make battlefield adjustments. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:10, June 2, 2023 (EDT)

Scholz finally grows a backbone/spine. Who can refute what he correctly said? Putin's invasion fails Just War criteria:

A War in today's world can only be justified based on two circumstances (1) someone invaded you and you fight back (2) you fight to defend someone whose country was invaded. This ground reality is why Ukraine's cause is justified, and Russia's invasion is unjustified.

"Olaf Scholz swinging back at pro-Putin protesters in Berlin." https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1665032138847027201 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 11:14, June 4, 2023 (EDT)

Putinist cultists are a whole new interesting variant of Comsymps. And sadly, they don't want to face the reality that their messiah clearly isn't the saint socialistic commies think he is. If Putin was some Bible-believing Christian, perhaps he and his goons would abide by Deuteronomy 27:25. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 11:22, June 4, 2023 (EDT)

No, we also have R2P, Responsibility to Protect. It first was articulated as the Clinton Doctrine cause supposedly Serbia was ethnic cleansing Kosovo or Albanian Muslims. The Obama regime dusted off the Clinton Doctrine and called it "R2P" to justify invading Libya and Syria. Samantha Power is credited with being the author of R2P. And Article 51 of the UN charter allows collective defense. So Scholz is full of crap. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:27, June 4, 2023 (EDT)

Scholz branded ‘warmonger’ at his own party rally, 5th June, 2023. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:35, June 4, 2023 (EDT)

And hilariously enough, the MSM doesn't want to legitimize the term Faucism so they spell it "Fauci-ism." It's worth noting that I created the article on the topic quite a while ago, and wow, it ranks in the first page of search results on Google! We all need to work on expanding, updating, and linking to the page.

This needs to be mentioned on MPR (the post can be concluded with something along the lines of, "For more information, see our article on Faucism"), and perhaps might be fitting for a "Conservapedia proven right"? Even better, post it on MPL! —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 08:42, June 4, 2023 (EDT)

Nice work, LT. Good idea and it'll surely help Conservapedia in search engine results etc.

But again, for me, "freedom over Faucism" is another example that shows De Santis really gets it. He's the best governor in America at the moment imo and it'll be just great if he wins the nomination and becomes Prez. in 2024. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King}

Exactly, boosting the Faucism article and ensuring its high ranking on search engines will be a boon for the wiki. And concurred, when it comes to battling Faucism, DeSantis gets it as opposed to Trump retaining Anthony S. Fascist's post during his presidency. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 11:17, June 4, 2023 (EDT)

White nationalist and neo-Nazi Richard Bertrand Spencer? Massive applause. Black Republican senator Tim Scott? Jeers. I think this demonstrates without saying that that basically all left-wing "anti-racist" efforts are point-blank concern trolling. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Monday, 13:27, June 5, 2023 (EDT)

The economic impact of destruction of the dam will be felt not just on the population centers below the dam, which will be washed into the Black Sea (computer models say it will take about 3 days), but will also make the agricultural areas above the dam lose the ability to irrigate the land for farming. Expect another wave of refugees from all along the Dnieper.

This destruction of Soviet built infrastructure was done by Western investors and oligarchs (BlackRock) who want to buy up Ukraine for "Reconstruction" so they can loot the country of profits for Western shareholders. Not gonna happen.

IMO, the NATO geniuses who thought up this plan are trying to make the Dnieper the new boundary between the what's left of the Ukrainian rump state and the Russian Federation, and to keep Odessa so what remains of Ukraine still has a port city. That too is unlikely. The war has probably been extended another year or two.

Water usage rights and reconstructing a new dam on an international boundary requires a peace treaty. The Western powers, NATO, the EU, and the US are incapable (given the makeup of their current leadership) of negotiating a peace treaty. They sealed their fate. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:09, June 6, 2023 (EDT)

As the reservoirs empty, it will be more difficult for NATO/Ukraine to attack Crimea from Kherson, but north of the dam, as the land dries out, it will be a shorter distance to mount an attack on the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:31, June 6, 2023 (EDT)

With the breach of the dam, we now understand what Nazisymp Lindsey Graham meant by Ukraine's counteroffensive being "impressive". [4] Big Serge refutes Nazisymp Peter Zeihan: [5]

One of Russia’s primary motivations for launching this war in the first place was precisely to secure the Crimean Canal, which Ukraine had dammed up in order to choke off the peninsula’s water supply. Any analysis of the issue needs to aknowledge that, if you believe Russia blew the dam, you are essentially saying that they voluntarily trashed one of their primary war aims....

The only way to spin all this (and there are some people, like Peter Zeihan, trying to spin it this way) as being in Russian interests is to argue that Russia expects to lose control of all this territory (including Crimea) and is going scorched earth in anticipation of defeat. But to believe this, you need to believe that Russia is badly losing the war and is on the verge of total defeat, and if you believe this I have nothing to say to you except to direct you to this link.

RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:11, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

[6] C'mon all you Nazisymps, let's hear your defense of Ukraine. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:12, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

"Ukronazsymp" is probably a better term. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Wednesday, 16:06, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

I dunno; trash talking the Wagner group makes you a nazisymp. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:17, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Ah, how nice; first Putin criticism constitutes Nazsymping, and now criticism of the Wagner Group? How would you account for the alleged Nazi ties associated with Wagner? A bit ironic for the main paramilitary organization whose Putinist beneficiary justifies the war on opposing Nazism, eh? —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Wednesday, 16:23, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

"alleged Nazi ties associated with Wagner". My advice: don't go there. You'll get your butt handed to you and to prove what an idiot you are. 16:51, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Alright, fine then, hand my behind to me. Find me five standard MSM webpages or whatever Ukronazsymp reporting that accuses the Wagner Group of neo-Nazi ties, then compile your evidence to prove to me that the association is false. I'm not going to believe your claims unless you provide the solid proof, especially since you're damaging your own credibility by outlandishly branding any criticism of Putin and Wagner "Nazi propaganda." —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Wednesday, 17:10, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

(a) What on earth are you talking about? (b) There's a war on. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:23, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

6,000 members of the Wagner group gave their lives to defeat Nazism. Are you denying that fact? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:28, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Some sources report that a faction of the Wagner Group itself is associated with neo-Nazi ideologies fighting for a Russian ethnostate. What's your response to that? It would perhaps interest you to know that not all Nazis support Ukraine; for example, KKK Democratic activist David Duke is a big Putinsymp, as is Nick Fuentes. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Wednesday, 17:37, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

BS. And Satanic nazi propaganda you are fond of. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:41, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Yawn, more slanders and no evidence. Do you expect me to believe you when you're hurling "Nazi" attacks at me and not providing the proof for your counterarguments? —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Wednesday, 17:43, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) The NWO is the establishment; Duke, Fuentas, Putin and Trump are anti-establishment. BFD. Who's willing to pick up a gun and fight the NWO nazis? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:45, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

All the nazis on the planet are flocking to the NWO establishment now, given their opportunity at rehabilitation and legitimacy. But it won't last. They'll be destroyed in the end and are only being used as cannonfodder. Do you really want to be associated with either group, the NWO or the Nazis? Look what the establishment NWO did to their other allies, ISIS. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:54, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Hmm, you might have a point; according to the ADL on the subject, some ranks among the overt neo-Nazis are Ukrofascist sympathizers. I've noticed that fringe white supremacists aren't at all unified on the NATO–Putin War though, as the standard "alt-right" types like Fuentes, Duke, etc. think that the Zelensky Regime is a "Jewish conspiracy," which is pathetically ludicrous. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Wednesday, 19:06, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

To be honest, there are many the world over, including Russia, who believe the Zelensky Jewish conspiracy thing. But neither Putin himself, nor the government of the Russian Federation promote it, which should give you pause to think about some of the propaganda being fed to you about Putin and Russia from the West. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:51, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Fine, I partially see your point. The Zelensky–Jewish fallacy is a coin with two sides: one side, shilling for the Ukrofascist regime, emphasizes Zelensky's ethnic Jewish heritage as as "proof" that he isn't a Nazi, while the other side emphasizes his Jewish background as "proof" that he's part of a larger "Jewish conspiracy." —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Thursday, 20:14, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Don't confuse two different fights at the same time. Just like it was necessary and righteous to fight both the Commies and Nazis - even if it had not been practically possible for Churchill and FDR to do so at the same time - so it is necessary to fight both neo-Communism in the form of resurgent neo-Stalinist persecution of Ukrainians, and also the woke agenda of genital mutilation called LGBT. That's another story for another time, but even this Woke Agenda comes from Communism, this time from Communist Chinese Dictator Mao. This Chinese-American can fill you in on more from first-hand experience if you're interested: "I am deeply thankful. Today 35 yr ago, my dream came true. I was granted a student visa to come to USA. I no longer feel this is the America that I arrived in. She has been under attack by Marxism/Communism that I thought I had escaped from. That’s why I am fighting to save her!" https://twitter.com/XVanFleet NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:05, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

See these for e.g. on that page: "The day will come when it will be very costly for anyone to defend truth, reality or common sense, if we fail to stop the Marxist Woke insanity ... Too many have lost their freedom & lives under Communism for doing just that ... Never forget the Tiananmen Square Massacre of June 4, 1989. To commemorate the thousands killed that day and ~50 million over the past century by the CCP, I have posted a full accounting on Substack. 🧵 of the most harrowing images and echoes to today: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/tiananmen-square-massacre-cultural-revolution" NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:05, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

And De Santis 2024 will do both. He is a Soldier, so he won't start unnecessary Wars. But he also called Putin "an authoritarian gas station attendant" and criticized its unjust invasion. He also criticized the Europeans for being weak at the time: "Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida said France likely wouldn't put up a fight against a Russian invasion.

DeSantis said "a lot of other places" would "just fold the minute there's any type of adversity."

The governor also likened Vladimir Putin to "an authoritarian gas-station attendant." https://news.yahoo.com/ron-desantis-likens-putin-authoritarian-035306913.html NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:09, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Yep, conservatives should oppose both Communism and Nazism, and just socialism in general. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Wednesday, 18:23, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

You're just diddling yourself so you don't have to take a moral stand. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:40, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

I take a stand against socialism, period. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Wednesday, 18:49, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Fine. When the nazis or commies come to kill you, tell them that. I wish I had such faith in nazi or commie justice. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:02, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

I don't even understand why you have your underwear in a knot over socialism; all your non-socialist buddies and government institutions evidently are there willing to protect you, so it must not be a threat. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:07, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Have you failed to realize in all the past decades of your life that the effective way to ideologically defeat both Nazism and Communism is to equivocate the two? —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Wednesday, 19:09, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

I understand both, pretty good, their histories, and where they are at right now.

But this is war time, and you must change and adapt. Right now, you are as dense as User:Cons, not understanding or realizing how the war affects you personally. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:26, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Let me modify that slightly: Cons thinks the war is far away and doesn't or won't affect him; you seem slightly a little more apprised of the danger, however you speak and act as if it will never affect you. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:27, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

To be successful in war, you need to learn from others who have gone before you. My generation fought the Cold War (and Hot Wars in the Cold War). We eventually won. Now that victory is being taken from us. I learned how to fight wars first hand from WWI, WWII, Korean and Vietnam era veterans. You just read ideological crap in books that will serve no use on the battlefield. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:32, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

[EC] Yes, circumstances change in war, though I'm not joining the Comsymping train and their glorious propaganda purporting Nazis as "far-right." And of course the NATO–Putin impacts me indirectly because of the massive inflation we're experiencing in the U.S.

In the long-run, the West didn't win the Cold War because neo-Marxists infiltrated the culture and indoctrinated most of the youth. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Wednesday, 19:36, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

That infiltration and indoctrination began long before 1991. After 1991, it was headquartered in the West, and no longer in Moscow. Moscow today is fighting from having its encroachment back into their society. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:40, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Here's the thing... the sculptor behind Mt. Rushmore was a Ku Klux Klan member. Borglum also wrote for the progressive magazine The Searchlight, where he ranted of "Harding's Challenge of Democracy," denouncing "reactionary" conservative politicians praising a number of "fighting liberals" with left-wing voting records. Fascinating Politics covers it well.

See, in these instances, when modern-day "progressives" cry of historical systemic racism, they know that most right-wingers, ignorant of these history details, will merely dismiss reality in their antiwoke activism. The right approach is to beat the neo-Marxists at their own game. Instead of defending [etc. etc.] from the reality of historical systemic racism, point out that the racism was created by past leftists. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Wednesday, 16:06, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

https://nypost.com/2023/06/06/ron-desantis-gaining-on-trump-in-iowa-in-virtual-tie-internal-poll-shows/

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is closing the gap on former President Donald Trump in the early nominating state of Iowa, according to an internal poll out this week.

The survey by WPA Intelligence for the DeSantis-supporting Never Back Down super PAC showed the 44-year-old governor in a virtual tie with the 76-year-old Trump in a head-to-head contest.

Trump had 45% support, while DeSantis had 43% support and 12% were undecided."

This is Awesome! De Santis will beat Trump and beat him handily imo. The more voters see of De Santis, the more they love him. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:30, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Socialist Trump also denounced DeSantis as worse than Cuomo on COVID-19 handling. Is this some pathetic joke? Mass murderer Andrew Cuomo killed thousands of seniors in nursing homes, contributing to the COVID-19 death count leftists blamed on Trump, but "DeSanctimonius" is the real problem? —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Wednesday, 16:41, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Yes, absolutely shameful. Trump lost at least 10 points imo with Conservatives who loved what De Santis did in Florida against dictatorial Covid lockdowns by attacking De Santis. Those dictatorial lockdowns, like the CCP Virus itself, came from dictatorial Communist China. De Santis will defeat both Communism and Wokism. Trump could not and did not. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:57, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Exactly, DeSantis fought the lockdowns while Trump did nothing to stop the violations of freedom; of course, now some people are saying "but DeSantis praised Fauci in the spring of 2020!!" Well, DeSantis learned from his mistake while Trump didn't. I suppose Trump's inept advisers are partly at fault here, though the refusal of Trump himself to fight socialism is concerning. The very fact that he's running to the left of GOP rivals on Socialist Security demonstrates his socialist credentials loud and clear. Given his leftist leanings, I wouldn't be surprised if he joins RFK, Jr., on a fusion ticket. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Wednesday, 17:03, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Who would have thought it possible? Persecution of Christians in America. Do we see now why Separation of Church and State is an Anti-Christian error? Indeed, an Anti-Christ-ian error, i.e. an error of Anti-Christ. Christians should rise up and fight this LGBT tyranny.

Vote De Santis in 2024 to stop it forever. Trump had 4 years and "the most pro-gay president in history" didn't stop it. De Santis will.

"Damon Atkins strolled up to Reading, Pennsylvania’s “first ever” pride rally wielding a sign, a Bible and his faith. Less than one minute after joining a smattering of other Christians expressing their views, Atkins found himself getting hauled off in cuffs and charged with criminal disorderly conduct."

https://www2.cbn.com/news/us/unjust-arrest-street-preacher-pa-arrested-while-trying-quote-bible-verse-pride-rally NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:33, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

The ongoing Sodomization of the world point towards the soon-to-come Second Advent of Jesus Christ! —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Wednesday, 16:37, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Well, when Jesus returns, he's not gonna be happy with you guys' support of LGBT, Ukraine, and Nazism and demonizing God's forces opposing it. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:39, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, Putinists and their Comsymp shills are now God's forces? You should wake up and realize that this is all a demonic Hegelian game designed to blind the whole world. (2 Cor. 4:4) It's all an artificially induced thesis vs. antithesis conspiracy by the devil himself to prepare the way for the International Sunday Law. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Wednesday, 17:42, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Stalin did God's work in destroying Hitler. You gonna deny that? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:38, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Communism vs. Nazism is much like Stalinism vs. Trotskyism, two mass murderous factions of socialism rivaling to be the reigning one-party regime ruling the world. Hitler killed millions along racial lines, while Stalin just killed basically everyone. Idiots believe the standard narrative of Nazis as "anti-Communists" and commies as "anti-Nazis" as if the two ideologies were on opposite sides of the political spectrum, but conservatives and/or classical liberals like who studied the in-depth history like myself understand that they're just two sides to the same coin. Granted, Nazism's racial overt component renders it more heinous than Communism, though that doesn't justify Comsymping. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Wednesday, 18:54, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Whew. Do you have a lot to learn. So I guess Lend Lease aid to Stalin was a waste of money that just ran up the national debt, huh? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:14, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

A very, very broad coalition to defeat Nazi Germany was temporarily necessary, though U.S.-financed construction of the Soviet economy was not. I don't know the specific details about the Lend-Lease Act. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Wednesday, 19:16, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Here's the danger I see: you trash talking socialism the way you do makes you sound like Joe Biden, that today we are fighting for democracy. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:18, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, so now you're denying that Bidenazi himself is a Communazi socialist? Socialism itself is a self-purported outgrowth of democracy, because the state is supposed to be for the people. This is why, for instance, private trade unions are banned after a socialist regime takes power, as was the case in Leninist Russia and Nazi Germany. The existence of private trade unions and their strikes that could follow would disprove the concept of the state being for the people, and thus they were absorbed into the state public trade union or banned, because the state intended on insisting that it was serving the people, IOWs democracy. Communism, fascism, and Nazism, much like the insurgent Progressive Movement of the early 20th century, are the resulting consequences, not antithesis, of democracy. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Wednesday, 19:27, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Your obsession with applying labels to make judgements is too much. It defeats developing good analytical skills. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:44, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

And one of the biggest problems is, your understanding or definition of many of these labels are your own, not widely recognized by others. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:47, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Well, that's not my fault. Applying labels are the quickest way to get my point across, or I'll be elaborating every single detail for way too long and which would take up too much space. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Thursday, 20:10, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

My advice: only apply a label, semi-universally understood, as a summary statement. The way you mix n match labels in your convoluted rhetoric and reasoning only reveals the confusion in your own mind. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:32, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

My mind's not that confused; I understand the labels I hurl. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Thursday, 20:34, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

That's my point - you do but nobody else does. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:01, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

The words "liberal", "progressive", "conservative", and "populist" do not mean the same thing they meant 100-120 years ago. Using an historian from 50-60 years ago commenting on that earlier period may or may not be illuminating, and you would need to understand how those same words or concepts were received and used at the time of his writing, as well. You too often are attempting to fit a round peg into a square hole. All these concepts, or movements, are organic to the period people identified as such, or used the terms, and are not eternal abiding truths in their meaning.

For example, the term "liberal" was not the dirty word at all that it is today in the period from 1900-1920. Most Americans at that time - whatever their political ideology or affiliation, would have proudly described themselves as "liberal" in their thought and outlook, irrespective of party. The term "liberal" had a meaning, while not a direct analogy, but something like how the de-politicized term "rational" is used today by people of whatever political stripe, to denote clear thinking, semi-educated, moderate, unbiased from extremes, etc. It became corrupted later. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:10, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Yeah, everyone knows how that worked out. Debt was around $19 Trillion. Trump increased it by 8 trillion.

April 2016: "Donald Trump predicts he could rid the United States of its $19 trillion debt in two terms as president.

Eliminating the national debt, which Trump said he could accomplish “over a period of eight years,” was one of several ambitious claims Trump made in an interview with The Washington Post published on Saturday." https://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/02/politics/donald-trump-national-debt/index.html

And now: "One of President Donald Trump’s lesser known but profoundly damaging legacies will be the explosive rise in the national debt that occurred on his watch. The financial burden that he’s inflicted on our government will wreak havoc for decades, saddling our kids and grandkids with debt.

The national debt has risen by almost $7.8 trillion during Trump’s time in office. That’s nearly twice as much as what Americans owe on student loans, car loans, credit cards and every other type of debt other than mortgages, combined, according to data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. It amounts to about $23,500 in new federal debt for every person in the country."

https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump Meanwhile, Florida has a record budget SURPLUS:

"– Today, Governor Ron DeSantis announced the surplus for Fiscal Year 2021-22 is $21.8 billion – the highest in state history and more than 21 percent above the state budget for the fiscal year.07-Jul-2022" https://flgov.com/2022/07/07/governor-ron-desantis-announces-record-surplus-for-fiscal-year-2021-22/ The choice is clear: economically, fiscally, morally and every other way: De Santis 2024. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:03, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

I think you should issue a public apology to Donald Duck for comparing him to a wannabe second-term socialist tyrant. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Wednesday, 17:06, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Lol. If Disney hadn't caved to wokeism, I might consider it. But Donald Duck here as in "Donald Lame-Duck" - increased debt by 8 TN. "Donald Duck" Trump can hardly complain about it, given that he's always dishing out nicknames like "Ron De Sanctimonious" etc for his political opponents ~~

Have you ever read the original Donald Duck comics by Carl Barks? They're the old-school real deal, and the local public library in my city used to have a whole shelf and a half full of small paperback editions, along with "Donald Duck Adventures" and big hardcover collections of Barks's original works. Sadly a purge removed all of them, though I still remember some iconic stories. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Wednesday, 17:19, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

UKROID PROPAGANDIST'S BRAIN ISN'T FUNCTIONING PROPERLY - CAN'T CONNECT BASIC LOGIC. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:28, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Whenever I click on these Bitchute videos, there's always some idiots in the comment section with a derogatory reference towards "the Jews." Seems like the Putinist side isn't free from Jew-hatred despite claiming to fight Nazis. Sure, Putin himself apologized for Lavrov's anti-Jewry, but many of his ☭comrades☭ just can't help but blame a "Jewish conspiracy." —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Thursday, 23:08, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Yah, I know. It can mean one of two things: (1) organic viewers; (2) rat trolls trying to discredit the site.

You should see some of the usernames on the Southfront site. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:30, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

When you're dealing with the GRU, you're dealing with the real experts, not the amateur wannabees like DNC, CIA, or Ratvandals. I like playing their video game, Smash the Nazis. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:36, June 7, 2023 (EDT)

Wow, "Smash the Nazis" is just an amateurish version of Fruit Ninja. Also, what usernames on Southfront are you referring to? —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Thursday, 00:03, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

Oh there's so many I can't remember 'em all. There's new ones every day. in the above video, the old guy is training the kid to think on his feet as Twitter troll bot. This is information war at its most basic. Somebody like Rachel Maddow doesn't need training.

OTAN Drag Queen Hour is the only funny one i found today. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:15, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

Okay, that one's kinda hilarious. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Thursday, 00:20, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

It's the pipeline I'm talking about. Southfront and that Bitchute channel are direct pipelines into Russian Military Intelligence. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:23, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

In the propaganda war, these guys are being extra careful not to lose credibility. Unlike the Ukrainian government and Western media, who are just too stupid to care and figure that you are an idiot and will swallow any line of BS. While they haven't been perfect, it's a little easier to catch them when they lie or exaggerate, unlike Ukraine and MSM which have simply lost all credibility. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:27, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

Speaking of the MSM, here's an idiot who laments that a ceasefire would "undermine Western interests." So this globalist pal Stephen Blank in the op-ed over here isn't even bothering to hide the fact that the U.S. is fighting not for humanitarian concerns but to preserve Western Fascism. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Thursday, 00:51, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

US in Throes of Unexceptional Imperial Decline. It didn't have to be like this, but the globalists insisted. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:11, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

Decline is not inevitable, it is a choice. De Santis will turn the situation around, including by reducing debt and deficits like the record budget surplus he has run in Florida. With bad leaders, the economy flounders; with good ones, it flourishes and prospers. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 01:17, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

Also, Rob, your link repeats pathetic far left propaganda when it says: "Clinging Bitterly to Guns & Religion

Today, America clings ever more bitterly to guns and religion." Hope you don't want to align yourself with far left anti-religious people.

Religion is the most valuable thing on Earth, because only Religion, the Religion of Christ, can give us Eternal Happiness in Heaven.

As for guns, here is the Communist Agenda about Gun Control laid bare: "Indeed, the best testimony to the power of an armed populace is the vigor with which the Warsaw Pact dictatorships enforced gun control. When the Communists took over Bulgaria on September 9, 1944, they immediately confiscated every weapon in private possession." https://davekopel.org/2A/Mags/crcommst.htm On Conservapedia, it should hardly be necessary to say, but just in case. God Bless, Rob. Pray for discernment and God's Wisdom in dealing with current issues. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 01:52, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

Blessed are the peacemakers. Death to the warmongers. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:25, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

Agreed, Blessed are the Peace-Makers, as Jesus Christ taught. And the Warmonger is Putin - whose unjust invasion into Ukraine threatens all Europe, Christendom and the World - who should be criminally tried at the Hague, or at Nuremberg II, as happened to the Nazis, for all of his War Crimes. And as Ronald Raegan, whose death anniversary was a few days ago (May that Hero Rest in Peace) taught, the way you get Peace is through Strength. And 2 centuries earlier, another Great President, George Washington, had already said the same: "To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace." Two of the Greatest Presidents in American History, therefore, teach you the Doctrine of Peace through Strength. But even Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace Himself, although in the context of the Cost of Discipleship/Perseverance taught the importance of a Strong Military for Preserving Peace when He said: "The Cost of Discipleship explained by a Parable: 31Or what king on his way to war with another king will not first sit down and consider whether he can engage with ten thousand men the one coming against him with twenty thousand? 32And if he is unable, he will send a delegation while the other king is still far off, to ask for terms of peace. 33In the same way, any one of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be My disciple." (Luk 14:31-33) 04:03, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

Have you read what General Patton said about the Russians/Soviets, Rob? Are you aware of that? NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 04:07, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

The Hague may find itself standing trial in Donetsk or Moscow in a denazification trial, per my sources. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:20, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

Nishant, seriously, I believe you should read this scholarly research paper for some background on the Ukraine conflict. It's not that long, maybe 7-8 pages, and well cited. Babi Yar as a Symbol of Holocaust Distortion in Post-Maidan Ukraine.

First question: What is "Post-Maidan Ukraine?" Post-Maidan Ukraine is the period from 2014 to now following the US-financed, backed, and directed "Revolution of Dignity". RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:35, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

Post-Maidan is not the issue. Russia's invasion of Ukraine, even the earlier one that began in 2014, blatantly and word-for-word denied its absolute and binding obligations under the Budapest Memorandum. Under that same contract, the UK and US - who made Ukraine give up its Nuclear Weapons to Russia, see below - are also bound to help Ukraine's self-defense if Russia invades Ukraine, as its now done.

Source: "Ukraine war: what is the Budapest Memorandum and why has Russia’s invasion torn it up? Protesters against Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2014 hold up a sign about the 1994 Budapest Memorandum Russia broke its 1994 pledge to respect Ukraine’s sovereignty in 2014 when it annexed Crimea. Now it’s in breach again. Lee Thomas/Alamy Live News The unfolding invasion of Ukraine will have far-reaching repercussions that extend way beyond a breach of international law and a violation of the country’s territorial integrity. As American international relations expert David Yost notes, Russia’s actions will weaken the credibility of major power security assurances, undermine the nuclear nonproliferation regime and dampen prospects for future disarmament.

Putin’s decision to invade is in direct violation of the Budapest Memorandum, a key instrument assuring Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. The memorandum was struck in 1994, following lengthy and complicated negotiations involving the then Russian president Boris Yeltsin, Ukrainian president Leonid Kuchma, US president Bill Clinton and the then British prime minister John Major.

Under the terms of the memorandum, Ukraine agreed to relinquish its nuclear arsenal – the world’s third-largest, inherited from the collapsed Soviet Union – and transfer all nuclear warheads to Russia for decommissioning. This enabled Ukraine to join the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) as a non-nuclear state.

The NPT is a legally-binding instrument that recognises only five countries as legitimate holders of nuclear weapons: China, France, Russia, the UK and the US. All other countries are banned from developing a nuclear arsenal and those that have, including India, Pakistan, Israel and North Korea, are not parties to the NPT.

In exchange for giving up its nuclear arsenal, Ukraine initially sought legally binding guarantees from the US that it would intervene should Ukraine’s sovereignty be breached. But when it became clear that the US was not willing to go that far, Ukraine agreed to somewhat weaker – but nevertheless significant – politically binding security assurances to respect its independence and sovereignty which guaranteed its existing borders. China and France subsequently extended similar assurances to Ukraine, but did not sign the Budapest Memorandum.

The Budapest Memorandum consists of a series of political assurances whereby the signatory states commit to “respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine”. But the meaning of the security assurances was deliberately left ambiguous. According to a former US diplomat who participated in the talks, Steven Pifer, it was understood that if there was a violation, there would be a response incumbent on the US and the UK. And while that response was not explicitly defined, Pifer notes that: “there is an obligation on the United States that flows from the Budapest Memorandum to provide assistance to Ukraine, and […] that would include lethal military assistance”.

Russia first broke its commitments under the Budapest Memorandum in 2014, with its annexation of Crimea and aggression in eastern Ukraine. The international response at the time was lacklustre – although the US and the UK did subsequently step up their efforts to strengthen Ukraine’s armed forces through training and provision of lethal defensive arms. At the time, a committee of the UK House of Lords noted that:

As one of the four signatories of the Budapest Memorandum (1994), which pledged to respect Ukraine’s territorial integrity, the UK had a particular responsibility when the crisis erupted. The government has not been as active or as visible on this issue as it could have been." https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-what-is-the-budapest-memorandum-and-why-has-russias-invasion-torn-it-up-178184 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 23:02, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

Yah well it's still illegal for the US to conduct coups. So too bad. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:19, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

The ringleaders of the Obama bin Bidenazi Administration, along with key neocon Republicans who are still alive (McCain was exalted by the establishment and the media, but clearly will face some damning punishment at Final Judgment for betraying POWs in Vietnam and supporting Nazis), need to be held accountable for their perpetrated war crimes in Libya and Ukraine. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Friday, 14:53, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

Specifically:

(a) Kiev never had nuclear weapons. They were under the command and control of Moscow.

(b) Kiev wanted to get paid for allowing the US access to dismantle the weapons.

(c) The Ukrainian government that signed the 1994 Budapest Memorandum was overthrown by the United States in 2014, at the start of the present conflict.

Additionally, The Conversation is a globalist publication which, as comedian George Carlin said "you ain't in it." RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:46, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

The Russian-born, British political commentator and comedian Konstantin Kisin said that the greatest insight that Thomas Sowell gave him about entrenched social/political problems was that "There were no solutions - only tradeoffs" (See: Thomas Sowell's greatest insight | Konstantin Kisin).

Given human frailty and the narcissistic age we live in there are no perfect political candidates. If you want to find faults in Trump, you can easily find them. If you want to find faults in Ron DeSantis, you can easily find them. And often in politics, it is a choice between the lesser of two evils. Granted, I would vote for Trump or DeSantis over Joe Biden because some political choices are far better because some people are far better than others. Nevertheless, there are no perfect political candidates. Also, Trump is the odds-on favorite of winning the GOP presidential primary.

Similarly, just like I am not a fan of Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union in WWII, I am not a big fan of Ukraine or modern-day Russia. Granted both Ukraine and Russia are better than Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union, but both are corrupt and authoritarian countries.

And given that: "war is hell"; both Russia face rapidly aging populations; and that Ukraine/Russia provide the world with food/fertilizer and Russia supplies a lot of energy in the world, I would like to see the war in Ukraine end ASAP. But I agree with John Mearsheimer that the war will likely be a long war of attrition. And given that Russia has a much bigger population, a huge stockpile of Soviet weapons and lots of oil/gas that the world wants, the odds favor Russia in this war. Nevertheless, barring the war ending in a stalemate, Russia winning this war has certain costs/benefits and Ukraine winning this war has certain costs/benefits because in this case, "There are no solutions - only tradeoffs".

Trump kept oil/gas prices down and he could be a tough negotiator/person to deal with plus he did try to have as peaceful relations with Russia as possible. As a result, Putin never invaded Ukraine during Trump's presidency. Both Trump or DeSantis would ramp up oil/gas production if elected which would make it harder for Putin to fund the war. In addition, both Trump and DeSantis are more "America first" than Biden when it comes to funding Ukraine. So I hope a GOP candidate wins the presidency in 2024. Right now, the political betting markets say there is a 50.3% chance that a Democrat will win the USA presidency in 2024 and there is a 49% chance that a GOP candidate will the USA presidency in 2024. Personally, I believe an upcoming recession will cause the GOP to win the presidency, but incumbents do have an advantage when running for the USA presidency.

Lastly, given that America has so many self-imposed problems, unfortunately, I am not going to put all my eggs in the USA basket. If things deteriorate a whole lot in the USA, I am keeping open the option of emigrating. But if the USA has huge problems, it will affect the whole world, so no country is going to be the perfect solution. Again, there are no perfect solutions - only tradeoffs. At the same time, given the current weaknesses of various countries, odds are [[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future|The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]. Conservative (talk) 05:06, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

The problems are bigger than you can imagine. America's day in the sun is setting. The post-1945 international order established by the UN with a Security Council with 5 permanent members is outmoded. And nobody in their right mind in the West or the rest of the world looks to the US, the UK, or France for leadership to revamp a new international order. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:29, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

And your whole "leading power in the world" only happened cause we financed it with 30 trillion dollars of worthless debt. Those days are ending, too. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:33, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

So you must make a decision: you can cling to your "leading power of the world" fantasy and ignore the national debt (like Congress does), or you can live up to you alleged conservative values and concern for the national debt and stop talking all the contradictory and crazy stuff in the fields of foreign policy and geopolitics. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:40, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

America is and will be facing big problems, but the present and future problems that the other two leading nations face - namely China and Russia - are bigger and harder problems to solve. Ergo, [[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future|The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]<nowiki>. See: [[Skepticism about China remaining a global power]] and <nowiki>[[Essay: Why I am not bullish on Russia's future]]

And people are not flocking to China or Russia. People are leaving Russia and many wealthy people are considering leaving China. For Chinese leaving China, the stable city-state of Singapore is a favourite destination. Also, so many people are looking to leave China that it's been dubbed the run movement. Conservative (talk) 13:52, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, Millions of people are leaving Russia – here’s why and Russia’s New Conscription Law Brings the Digital Gulag Much, Much Closer.

RobS, it's time to put your money where your mouth is and move to Russia. Maybe you can join the Russian Army and fight Ukrainians! That would be so exciting for you! Conservative (talk) 14:12, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

"A World Health Organization study published in 2019 found that Russia had the third largest number of suicides. And a 2021 World Bank rating of political stability ranked Russia 146th, nestled between Mexico and Mauritania. More recent estimates are not available, but my guess is that they would be off the chart.

No wonder then that Russians are so unhappy: the 2021 Happiness Index placed the country 78th in the world, between silent Turkmenistan and protesting Hong Kong.

Perhaps much of this has contributed towards the country’s pathetic performance in population growth in recent years, which reflects fertility, health and migration. The country is currently 203rd, with negative growth, very close to the bottom of the list...

Since the late Soviet period, Russia has been a global leader in abortion rates. The Russian state, seemingly concerned by this, has long attempted to discourage abortions by various means, from a ban in the last years of Stalinism to Putin’s ‘maternal capital’ payments, designed to support and stimulate families.

From 1991 to 2015, the number of abortions in Russia decreased from 3.6 mln to 0.8 mln. However, no burst of fertility was achieved. The number of births per year slowly approached the number of terminations but exceeded it only in 2007. Russia was starting and ending its wars, but Russians were removing their embryos at the same rate at which they were dying of natural causes.

In 2020, the ratio of terminations per births in Russia – a country in which abortion is almost never talked about – was two times higher than in the US, where it has become a central political issue."[7]

Is it likely that RobS will move to Russia? Nyet! Conservative (talk) 15:25, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

WHO. Now there's a credible source you can hang your hat on if ever there was one. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:39, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

Genetic fallacy. Russia's population size is declining. Low fertility rate. High abortion and AIDS rate. People leaving the country. Early deaths due to alcoholism and general bad health. Russian soldiers dying in Ukraine. Suicides. I know it. You know it. Conservative (talk) 23:44, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

So you can't answer the contradictions between shilling for globalism and the future American Empire and your alleged conservative views vis-a-vis the national debt. Fair enough. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:49, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

You are obsessed with globalism. Didn't you get the news? Globalism is dying and nationalism is growing. Conservative (talk) 00:45, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

No its not. You keep trying to revive globalism among conservatives with dreams of empire by piling more on the national debt to keep "America the leading power for the foreseeable future". RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:50, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

America has two big oceans protecting it and is rich with natural resources. And it is a nuclear power. Why does it need an empire? Also, Russia and China are in decline with poor future prospects. Conservative (talk) 01:42, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

There are no solutions - only tradeoffs. You can try and have America as the "leading power for the foreseeable future" at the expense of a growing national debt. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:47, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Wrong. Economic power and soft power generally trumps military power - especially today where defenders employ fourth-generation warfare and asymmetric warfare. China hollowed out many USA cities/towns without firing a shot. "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting." - Sun Tzu.

Economies need workers and unfortunately for China and Russia they have shrinking and greying populations.

For example, I will provide an example of "subduing the enemy without fighting". I pointed out how sexist and misogynist the atheist population was knowing it would cause division and infighting within the atheist movement (See: Atheism and women and Atheism and sexism and Richard Dawkins and women). Sure enough, Ms. Magazine's Monica Shores quotes Conservapedia about how most of the web traffic to Richard Dawkins' website was from men (See: Richard Dawkins and women). Before Elevatorgate occurred, which sparked the decline of the atheist movement, feminist rage within Western atheism was stoked sky-high. Of course, now I am using completely new strategies/tactics to accelerate desecularization. "Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu. "In all fighting, the direct method may be used for joining battle, but indirect methods will be needed in order to secure victory. In battle, there are not more than two methods of attack – the direct and the indirect; yet these two in combination give rise to an endless series of maneuvers. The direct and the indirect lead on to each other in turn. It is like moving in a circle – you never come to an end. Who can exhaust the possibilities of their combination?" - Sun Tzu. Conservative (talk)

Where am I wrong? That your bloated defense spending to keep America the "leading power for the foreseeable future" does not add to the national debt? or that you are not a conservative when you bellyache about the national debt? Or maybe you really are a mean and cruel fascist who wants to throw grandma from the cliff cause you blame her Medicare spending for the national debt rather than bloated defense spending? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:12, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

There are no solutions - only tradeoffs. Your and Hillary Clinton's soft power solutions brought back the Libyan slave trade. And your asymmetrical warfare has led to terrorism and assassinations by NATO and Ukraine in the Russian homeland. Just wait for the reprisals. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:23, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

By the way, besides stoking feminist rage within the Western atheist population, I also pointed various social injustices within the atheist population. As a result, it helped cause a certain atheist/agnostic wiki to go full-blown woke. "You know what woke means. It means you're a loser. Everything woke turns to sh*t." - Donald Trump. It was quite funny seeing RationalWiki's Ace McWicked engaged in infighting with a tranny atheist and him pointing out that RationalWiki is now a bunch of "pearl-clutching pansies".[8] And during the GossipGate scandal at RationalWiki involving LeftyGreenMario and TechPriest, I pointed out how two despotic, feminist women were ruling RationalWiki with an iron fist. See also: BullyGate: RationalWiki Administrator and RationalWiki Media Foundation board member DuceMoosolini left RationalWiki due to the public shame of being bullied by the female, RationalWiki Moderator Techpriest. Conservative (talk) 07:29, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

That's what I've said many times about 4th generation warfare. The US/NATO thought they could win this war by propaganda. As Lincoln said, "You can fool some of the people most of the time, and most of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." The result will be a loss of confidence by allies and the end of NATO. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 07:55, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

I disagree. They were overconfident in an all-around sense due to a general sense of hubris and Biden did various things to weaken America. And Biden's foreign policy and economic policies are shortsighted and don't consider unintended consequences. For example, Biden's energy policies enabled Putin to better fund a war, Afghanistan War's disastrous pullout projected weakness, etc. etc. Conservative (talk) 08:06, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Your disagreements are with yourself. You supported Biden's nazism and were afraid to make a moral choice. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:12, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

While I agreed with Mearsheimer about the causes of the Ukraine War, when chess legend and Putin critic Garry Kasparov criticized Russia's war crimes and Putin authoritarian regime, I considered the potential consequences of appeasement regarding Putin's aggression and I felt some moral outrage. Trump cranked out USA oil/gas production and also sent Javelin missiles to Ukraine which weakened Russia economically and provided some deterrence plus Trump made various attempts to have good relations with Russia/Putin. It worked during the Trump administration. John Mearsheimer disagrees with Trump's decision to send Javelin missiles to Ukraine.

There is a healthy balance between diplomacy and deterrence. And sometimes bloodying a bully's nose has to be done.

But after reconsidering how weak Ukraine's position is, my momentary agreement with Garry Kasparov, quickly dissipated. Conservative (talk) 08:38, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

"weakened Russia economically". The Russian economy is now the strongest it has ever been in Russian and Soviet history. More fantasist propaganda from your neo-nazi sources. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:52, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

....as NATO and the US slide into a deep unending recession... RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:54, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Russia now using driverless trucks in the Arctic to deal with manpower shortages now that is has reached full employment (while unemployment rises in America and the West). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:06, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

"after reconsidering how weak Ukraine's position is..." So it only took you 15 months to get the propaganda crap out of your eyes and ears, and 9 years after Ukraine lost its sovereignty to the US in the Maidan coup, to muster some moral courage? Yet you still spew Nazi agitprop. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:34, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Trump's ramping up of oil/gas production did make Russia weaker economically during Trump's presidency. Unfortunately, Biden's embrace of global warming alarmism, lowered the USA's oil/gas production. Of course, you know this, and are now engaging in bad faith debate. Which is why I no longer want to discuss this matter with you at this time. Conservative (talk) 09:01, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

BFD. Trump is dead and that was then, this is now. You supported Biden's nazi program.

Just give up your nazi propaganda sources. You have been proven wrong time and again over the course of this war, I have lost count. 09:06, June 10, 2023 (EDT)RobS^{Give Peace a chance}

Putin's decision to invade Ukraine was a mistake in terms of its long-term social and economic consequences. Russia's biggest problem in the long term is its population loss. And people are fleeing Russia and Russian soldiers are dying (See: Russia's fertility rate). Conservative (talk) 09:17, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Okay, you win. American population growth due to open borders and 10 million illegal immigrants with a fertility rate of 5.0 keeps America strong, depending on whatever the country may be with a non-English speaking population in another 10 years as the result. That's conservativism and a conservative argument. You win. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:22, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Don't think I didn't notice you completely changing the topic on how poor Putin's decision to invade Ukraine was. As much as I hate to do it, I declare total victory! Conservative (talk) 09:44, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Good. God save us from yours' and Joe Biden's nazism.

As American schools fill up in coming years with the next generation of American citizens and children of the current flood of illegal immigrants to boost America's fertility rate, English only laws have failed in the past. So evidently we are committed to educating the next generation of Americans in 140 different languages (maybe we can ban Russian, like your Nazi buddies do). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:50, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

I see that you are still trying to desperately change the topic. It is rather comical. Conservative (talk) 09:53, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Nah, my tolerance and patience for stupid, stale arguments and circular reasoning runs thin sometimes. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:00, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

And now my coup de grâce for this debate: Russia sees historic population drop spurring demographic crisis amid war in Ukraine. Russia to need up to 1 million immigrants a year for 80 years to maintain current population levels by 2100.

Russia is still seeing the negative effects of WWII in terms of its population. The war in Ukraine made things worse. Conservative (talk) 10:03, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

While it true that some Russians have returned after the Russian military mobilization due to the war in Ukraine, it is unknown what percentage will eventually return.

"In particular, Karchevskaya was involved in helping Russians navigate the huge lines that formed at Russia’s only land border crossing with Georgia following the mobilization call. “Many of those whom I helped to leave have already returned,” she said. “I think about half of the refugees will go back to Russia.”[9] Conservative (talk) 10:51, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Of course. (a) The Russian economy is booming; and (b) they realize they were lied to by Western media and propaganda. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:53, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Ukraine's population close to half level of 1991 think tank, 6th June 2023. Actually, less than half when you subtract out Donbas and Crimea. This is what "capitalism, democracy, freedom, and independence" have done for Ukraine. Isn't it glorious? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:47, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, are you for Trump or DeSantis as far as the GOP primary? Last time I checked, capitalism has worked quite well for the Trump family! And under DeSantis' pro-business and pro-capitalism policies, Floridians have prospered. I would rather live in Florida than Russia any day of the week! Conservative (talk) 10:58, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Huh? What? I'm for whoever will defeat yours and Joe Biden's Nazism. There are no solutions - only tradeoffs. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:00, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

I know you don't believe what you are peddling. If you did, you would move to Russia rather than live in the USA. Conservative (talk) 11:07, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

I believe in justice. This has nothing to do with any personal sentiments about Russia or any other country. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:34, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Justice? What it comes to political policies, results matter more than mere intentions. Policy makers have to take into account various scenarios to avoid unintended consequences. Tons of people fled Donbas to Western/central Ukraine (Including Russian speakers). On top of this, tons of Russians have fled Russia post February 2022 and many Russian soldiers have died. This problem has made Russia's #1 problem of population decline worse. Conservative (talk) 12:58, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Nazi agitprop. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:06, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

While running for mayor of Moscow, CIA asset Alexei Navalny insulted Russia's Muslim minority in a campaign ad calling them "cockroaches." [1]

Lol. Yeah. If pro-Putinists think Russia is doing so well and is a haven of freedom etc, why don't they consider moving to Russia? Because people want to live in free countries with freedom of speech to say what you think and want against bad political leaders. Just try moving to Russia and criticizing Putin's invasion there; you can't do it and many have gone to jail for doing so. Whereas in America and much of the Free World, you can say anything you like about Trump or Biden etc. Russia needs a pro-democracy transition and I for one think Alexei Navalny would be a good person to do it. He's a political opponent being persecuted by Putin. It would also be good for Russia to ban abortion and stop its invasion, which could help improve its demographic problems Conservative mentioned. In fact, earlier on, some of the Bolsheviks and Communists in Russia, after they first introduced Abortion (which therefore comes from Communism; it's what we Pro-Lifers are fighting - Communism, even in the West) and then later saw that Abortion leads in time to huge demographic problems (something also true in much of the West today) then even they knew that, for purely utilitarian demographic reasons, unlimited abortion had to be at least slightly restricted. Communist China's forced one child policy led to similar problems, and recently was slightly modified. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 13:54, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Oh really? Why was Tucker Carlson fired? And Navalny can't run, he was convicted of being a CIA agent trying to ovwerthrow the existing regime. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:01, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Here's a source: "In 1920, Soviet Russia became the first country, under Lenin, to allow abortions in all circumstances" https://www.newsweek.com/abortion-legal-russia-how-us-compares-other-nations-1702904 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 13:58, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Update: Soviet Russia was overthrown by the Russian Orthodox Church, and America became Sovietized. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:01, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

De Santis will defeat Woke Liberalism in America. Navalny could introduce True Democracy in Russia. Being Anti-Putin is not being Anti-Russia any more than being Anti-Biden is Anti-America. Good Leaders matter. Own it. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 13:58, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Again, a traitor is barred from running in his own country just about everywhere. You need to update your CIA talking points - oh, that's right. The CIA hasn't done it yet cause they don't want to admit Navalny was a CIA agent. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:04, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

RobS' rose-covered glasses that paper over Russia's many serious faults/problems remind me of Don Quixote's idyllic view of Dulcinea del Toboso in Miguel de Cervantes's novel Don Quixote. Conservative (talk) 14:09, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Yup. And Rob, it was Pope John Paul II, the Solidarity Movement in Poland, Prez. Raegan, and others who brought down Communism in the Soviet Union, which allowed freedom of religion again and for the old Russian National Orthodox Church to be restored. But many in that Church, unfortunately, are KGB agents, as Putin himself once was. They've been taught and trained to hate America and the West. There are many Russians who lived or vacationed in Europe etc and had every freedom to do so. Now, with Russia under Putin constantly threatening Europe, European leaders are taking a harder stance on Russia. Russia has elections in 2024 also and Putin must go. For Peace's sake. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 14:16, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Watch this 6 minute clip from Russians With An Attitude, especially the last half. It'll give you a more realistic portrait of what's happening in Russia and Ukraine right now. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:24, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

NishantXavier, did you notice the complete absence of evidence that RobS offered that Alexei Navalny is a CIA agent? Is he Putin's parrot? If RobS put Russian propaganda under the lens of critical thinking, he wouldn't romanticize Putin/Russia so much. Conservative (talk) 14:30, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Zakharova spoke about the financing of Navalny by foreign embassies. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:36, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Lol, Conservative, yeah, I did. Anyone they don't like is a "CIA Agent", though they have no proof of it. That Navalny returned to Russia because he loved her and loved its people, even though he could have had a free and happy life in Germany, shows he is a Russian Patriot.

"When Aleksei Navalny shocked his supporters and announced his return to Russia last January after recovering in Germany from a poisoning he blamed on the Kremlin, the opposition politician did so with a post to Instagram.

"I never questioned whether I should come back, simply because I never left," he wrote on January 13, 2021. "I ended up in Germany after landing in an intensive-care box, for one reason: they tried to kill me."

The news was received by his acolytes throughout Russia as the possible dawning of a new era in Russian politics, a moment when the anti-corruption crusader who had survived an assassination attempt came home to confront the man he accused of authorizing it: President Vladimir Putin.

His supporters took planes, trains, and cars to Moscow to greet him upon his slated arrival in the capital on January 17. They had been subjected for weeks to a relentless campaign of fines, police raids, and harassment, and many of them believed strength in numbers would keep both them and Navalny safe from the threats issued by officials intent on arresting him upon touchdown and also spark a national reckoning in a country devastated by the coronavirus pandemic and riven by anger over falling real wages and miserly government support."

From: https://www.rferl.org/a/navalny-return-anniversary-mistake/31658323.html NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 14:38, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

This is just more Trump-Russia BS. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:38, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Go to the Navalny page if you want the translated evidence of Navalny's xenophobia and racism. That's the real scandal here - that the CIA hires a racist to divide Russian society and illegally interfere in their internal domestic affairs and elections. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:42, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, I just went to the Alexei Navalny article and it looks like you made some unverified claims. See the talk page for the article. Conservative (talk) 15:45, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Nevermind, I rolled back my edits after looking at the National Endowment for Democracy article. So there is some evidence that Alexei Navalny may be CIA supported. Conservative (talk) 16:06, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Digression on CIA regime change operations in Russia

An understanding of history is helpful. Basically, the CIA are amateurs, and everything they know, or think they know, about espionage operations they learned from the KGB. (For example. immediately after WWII when the US government realized its wartime spy agency, the OSS, was shot through with KGB agents, it shut it down and created the CIA. Having no agents inside the USSR, and realizing the KGB had infiltrated the Manhattan project to steal the secrets of the atomic bomb, the CIA was dependent entirely upon the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), run by former German military intelligence head Reinhard Gehlen, for intelligence inside the Soviet Union.

The CIA basically has never been successful in infiltrating anyone into the Soviet or Russian government (with the possible exception of during the Yeltsin years, after which Putin weeded them out (creating some animosity in the CIA against Putin. But note, the CIA still couldn't infiltrate covertly on their own - they had to be invited in by the Russian president).

So in the case of Navalny, the CIA thinks for the first time they can create a covert agent who rises to the level of an Alger Hiss or Harry Dexter White in the Russian government. They imagine themselves as good at the espionage game as the KGB was in the 1930s and 1940s. All these embarrassing intelligence failures by the United States government they learned the hard way at the hands of the expertise and success of the former KGB external intelligence service. They are pantomiming the KGB's success with Hiss by trying to infiltrate Navalny. It's a farce. How stupid do they think their teachers are? The student is not greater than the master. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:02, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

"The success of the British Commandos during World War II prompted U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt to authorize the creation of an intelligence service modeled after the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), and Special Operations Executive. This led to the creation of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) established by a Presidential military order issued by President Roosevelt on June 13, 1942. On September 20, 1945, shortly after the end of World War II, Harry S. Truman signed an executive order dissolving the OSS, and by October 1945 its functions had been divided between the Departments of State and War. The division lasted only a few months. The first public mention of the "Central Intelligence Agency" appeared on a command-restructuring proposal presented by Jim Forrestal and Arthur Radford to the U.S. Senate Military Affairs Committee at the end of 1945. Army Intelligence agent Colonel Sidney Mashbir and Commander Ellis M. Zacharias worked together for four months at the direction of Fleet Admiral Joseph Ernest King, and prepared the first draft and implementing directives for the creation of what would become the Central Intelligence Agency. Despite opposition from the military establishment, the United States Department of State and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Truman established the National Intelligence Authority in January 1946. Its operational extension was known as the Central Intelligence Group (CIG),[58] which was the direct predecessor of the CIA."[10]

The Office of Strategic Services (OSS) was founded during WWII.

It's a bit crazy that the USA didn't have an equivalent of the CIA before WWII. Spying is very important during war and WWI and previous wars had no equivalent to the OSS and CIA.

P.S. I uncovered the "GossipGate scandal" via spying. :) Conservative (talk) 17:38, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Yah but they are amateurs at the work. They have the biggest staff with the biggest budget on the planet, and they think they are smart and badboys, but they really are not very good at the business (as noted, they have never penetrated the Soviet or Russian government). Washington leaks like a sieve; they like to boast; they recruit from the military where people want to be recognized with medals and ribbons for meritorious service, whereas among espionage professionals, you need people dedicated to service without recognition; there is far too much reliance on gadgets and technology, and no real HUMINT intelligence skills. I could go on. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:12, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

How compromised was the CIA from the beginning? The CIA was created in 1947. When it was initially being set up, i.e. assigning station chiefs throughout the world, Great Britain sent over their No.2 guy (and likely successor to head) its foreign intelligence outfit to assist - Kim Philby. You guessed it. Philby had been a KGB agent since 1927.

Then, in 1949 when Army cryptographers were extracting the names of KGB spies in the Manhattan Project from Soviet Venona Project decrypts which the USSR used to build its own atomic bomb, you guessed it again, a KGB agent was literally standing over the cryptographer's shoulder and watching.

This and other incidents, made the newly formed CIA as useless as a screen door on a submarine in foreign operations for about the first 17 years of its existence (except domestically for counterintelligence purposes, like whacking JFK, for instance). But you know how government works - once you create a new government agency, it has a life of its own and is impossible to destroy. None of these colossal failures, naivety, and amateurishness of American foreign intelligence came to light, and then only partially, until the mid 1970s (post-Vietnam; add the origins, conduct, and conclusion of the Vietnam war to the list of "intelligence failures") and later. Much still remains embarrassing and secret from scholars, historians, and the public. But the KGB well understood the naivety, amateurishness, and bungling incompetence (with a huge budget) of American foreign intelligence, which persists to this day. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:39, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

Exhibit A: These are the type of 30 year old intelligence professionals and national security analysts that today man the frontline in the war against Russia. Actually, they are making Russian intelligence's job easier, based upon past experience. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:25, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

Politico, May 5, 2022: The Covert Operation to Back Ukrainian Independence that Haunts the CIA, After WWII, officials in Washington sent scores of agents to their deaths in a misguided effort to create an uprising against Moscow.

"Generations later, it remains unclear how, exactly, the Soviets penetrated the program. It remains possible that arch-spy Kim Philby betrayed the program, just as he’d done with similar covert operations in Albania. Whatever the reason, one thing is clear: the mission was a manifest disaster. As one CIA historian summed it up, “In the long run, the Agency’s efforts to penetrate the Iron Curtain using Ukrainian agents was ill-fated and tragic.”

Oh, they haven't figured it out yet, but now want Round 2. It's interesting how the KGB has kept the matter secret even throughout the collapse of the Soviet Union and 30 years later. But CIA operatives go on MSNBC all the time and brag about their operations. The student is not greater than the master. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:23, June 13, 2023 (EDT)

For any serious intelligence analyst, the "unclear" part should not be too hard to figure out. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:31, June 13, 2023 (EDT)

Thank You, Ben Shapiro. A Devout Jew and a True Conservative: "Some of us warned for years this was coming" https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1667297272659410947

https://freebeacon.com/california/california-bill-would-punish-parents-who-dont-affirm-their-childs-gender-identity/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 20:34, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

Well, gender delusion normalization is part of neo-Marxism, not necessary "Communism" in the complete sense. The Frankfurt School peddled an interpretation of Marxism very different from that of "mainstream" Communism a century back. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Saturday, 20:43, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

Perhaps now you understand why China and Russia reject the American example and American global leadership. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:51, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

"This is why I support DeSantis.

In his comments here, he calls out the Feds for targeting parents who attend school board meetings and pro life activists.

He is concerned with protecting the rights of all citizens, not just the powerful. That's what we want from a leader."

https://twitter.com/SwissWatchGuy/status/1667323836235231240 Retweet of: "DESANTIS slams the “different standard for a Democrat secretary of state and a former Republican president.”

“There needs to be ONE standard of justice in this country. Let’s enforce it on everybody … You can’t have one faction of society weaponizing the power of the state against factions that it doesn’t like.” https://twitter.com/DeSantisWarRoom/status/1667317353837654017

Video in the link. De Santis is a Conservative Champion and he delivered record strong budget surpluses in Florida also. Imagine if America began running surpluses instead of deficits again. That's what he calls: "Our Great American Comeback", probably could be called OGAC to contrast with MAGA. That's what a President De Santis will deliver, along with freedom from authoritaraianism and defeat of Wokist Communism. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 20:39, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

The contrast between De Santis and Biden is like the contrast between Light and Darkness, between a true disciple of Christ and an anti-Christ like corrupter of children. Sooner or later, the Divine Judgment of Almighty God, in this life and the next, will fall upon Thug Joe Biden for his wicked deeds according to: "It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble." (Luk 17:2)

"“We REJECT the idea that a physician can pump some minor with puberty blockers or do sex change operations on them,” says @RonDeSantis in North Carolina.

“It is mutilation and it is wrong — and it has no place in our state.” https://twitter.com/DeSantisWarRoom/status/1667312549291851776

(Video in the link)

"JUST IN: Biden says “it’s wrong” that Florida has BANNED transgender surgeries and puberty blockers for minors.

No matter what Biden says … @RonDeSantis will ALWAYS protect kids and families." https://twitter.com/DeSantisWarRoom/status/1666881811106889746 (Video in the link) NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 20:47, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

I don't think one should jump to conclusions on whether high-ranking politicians are true to the Christian faith. Now yes, Biden obviously is a longtime despotic charlatan, though DeSantis may not prove to be a saint in the long-run, even if he seems to be an ideal conservative now.

When it comes to "antichrists," while it's easy to assume that the most obvious and blatant evil elements fit into the category best, history has demonstrated otherwise. The actual spirit of antichrist is highly deceptive and sneaky, denying the Christ Jesus not directly but subtly and slowly, i.e. undue blasphemies attempting to water down the horror of the crucifixion by likening it to comparably trivial events. It doesn't come through people blurting "Jesus wasn't real!" or "Jesus wasn't God!" because that would be too obvious. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Saturday, 21:13, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

Yes, I certainly don't agree with those who compare Lord Jesus to Trump. But those who publicly mocked Lord Jesus Christ's Crucifixion recently, the so-called Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, are on a different level of blasphemy and anti-Catholic/anti-Christian hatred. That I will never agree with. God Bless. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 21:26, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

What's Putin and Xi's stand on puberty blockers? Ultimately, their's are the only views that matter. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:53, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

What's Modi's view on puberty blockers? when you count those three, Putin, Xi, and Modi, that's about 1/3 of the planet; if you toss in their allies in Africa, South America, and Asia, that's about 2/3 of the planet. Democracy in action. They don't want a US-style debate on "democracy" like you have in Ukraine, where the US overthrows the democratically elected government (that signed the Budapest Memorandum), and imposed a Nazi dictatorship that outlawed all opposition. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:19, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Down with the CCP! Down with Communism! Let the Chinese people be free, and those who live in free countries must speak up and act against the evils and atrocities of Communism, like Communist Terrorist Mao - perhaps the most evil man of the 20th century who killed 40-80 MN.

https://www.economist.com/china/2023/06/08/the-end-of-western-naivety-about-china

"The end of Western naivety about China A new China debate pits optimists against fatalists

Among western democratic governments, this is a moment of unhappy clarity about China. Their bleak consensus follows years of naivety and wilful self-delusion about the nature of Xi Jinping’s regime. A changed mood—one of shared, durable gloom—was on display at the latest Stockholm China Forum. This is a gathering of American and European officials, scholars and business types that Chaguan has attended, on and off, since 2008 (Chinese diplomats and scholars attend some sessions).

The war in Ukraine hung over the latest forum, jointly hosted by Sweden’s foreign ministry and the German Marshall Fund, a think-tank. There was no happy talk about China being an ideal peace-broker, as some European leaders had suggested in the early months of the conflict. Instead, participants talked of Chinese envoys touring European capitals to recommend that Ukraine lay down its arms and sue for peace, while casting Vladimir Putin as a ruler acting in self-defence. One speaker called China’s “collusion” with Russia an “electroshock” for Western governments. China is expected to play a role in the conflict’s end-game and in post-war reconstruction, not least because Ukraine’s government wants Mr Xi at the table. But there was shared horror in Stockholm at any notion of China helping to design a future security architecture for Europe. That distrust is born of hearing Chinese officials blaming the nato defence alliance for war in Ukraine, and promoting a world order in which individual countries seek security via shifting, values-free calculations of their interests." NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 21:18, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

Who cares? The West is toast. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:54, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

Bottomline: China graduates 1 million more science and engineering students annually than the West. Unless you propose Hitleresque type solutions, China's rise is inevitable. And citing globalists, as is your habit, is not getting off on the right foot. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:58, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

No, I don't propose any Hitleresque solutions, but Chinese Communist Xi Jinping persecutes Christians, and you greatly fail in your Christian and human duty toward persecuted Christians and other innocents in China by failing to oppose him. You may, but I will not. You also fail in your patriotic duty to love America and the West, the heart of Christendom, and that is very sad to see. But that's what you get when you start cheering for unjust Wars that violate the Judeo-Christian Tradition of Just War, as taught by Lord Jesus, Saint Paul, Saint Augustine, Saint Thomas Aquinas and other leading Christian thinkers.

What I call for is a US-India Alliance to counterbalance China:

"Report documents rampant Christian persecution in China The Communist regime used sinicization, educational reforms, rights abuses, and stringent laws to persecute Christians" https://www.ucanews.com/news/report-documents-rampant-christian-persecution-in-china/100395

"How many Christians are there in China? There are around 96.7 million Christians in China – a huge number, but only seven per cent of China’s total population of more than 1.4 billion.

How are Christians persecuted in China? Tightening restrictions and increasing surveillance are putting Christians in China under intensifying pressure, as the Communist Party seeks to limits all threats to its power.

New restrictions on internet and social media – together with the 2018 regulations on religion, which includes a ban on under 18s attending church – are severely limiting Christian freedom.

Under the draconian measures introduced in March 2022, churches that want to share sermons or Bibles studies online require a permit – but this is only available to the five state-approved religious institutions, such as the Three Self Patriotic Movement. The restrictions extend to social media, meaning that mentioning anything connected with Christianity could get people into considerable trouble.

Given the surveillance used by the authorities – which is among the most oppressive and sophisticated in the world – Christians have little room for manoeuvre, both online and offline.

Meanwhile, if a convert from Islam or Tibetan Buddhism is discovered by their family or community, they are usually threatened and physically harmed – all to win them back to their original faith." https://www.opendoorsuk.org/persecution/world-watch-list/china/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 00:15, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

"I-don't-care-ism" is one of the Great False Religions of the Modern World. "Christians being persecuted"? I don't care. Unjust Wars? I don't care. Innocents suffering? I don't care. All I care about is me, my money, my pleasure, etc", a form of self-idolatry, worship of mammon and the hedonism that ultimately leads to Atheism, Godlessness and Lawlessness. Good Christians can and should never adhere to such evil opinions but, like Rev. Martin Luther King, believe and acknowledge: "Injustice anywhere is a Threat to Justice Everywhere". NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 00:25, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

There ain't gonna be no US-India alliance, not after 80 years of the US giving nukes to Pakistan.

Basically, you are disrespecting India. They are independent and neutral, and not aligned with the Western/LGBT powers. They are not going to allow themselves to be used a tool by the Western Nazis and gay pride movement against China. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:45, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Move over Alvin Bragg. The real-life Manhattan DA's office has been a big disappointment compared to the one they show on Law and Order. The federal Deep State is here to indict Trump under the Espionage Act of 1917. FBI Director James Comey took classified documents with him when he left office in 2017, but the Dems and the MSM are way beyond being embarrassed by hypocrisy. My advise to Trump: Drop out and endorse DeSantis. If Republicans lose another election, Trump is going to jail. The more Trump complains about being cheated in 2020, the weaker he looks. Who was president in 2020 again? In Florida, DeSantis has a track record of enforcing the election law. If Maricopa election workers try cheating him, he is coming after them. PeterKa (talk) 23:26, June 9, 2023 (EDT)

Yup. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 00:22, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

A Trump-appointed judge got the case. We could be looking at a fair trial. I mean, who would have thought? The New York Times is very upset. PeterKa (talk) 10:26, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

They'll ask for a recusal, may not get it. And when Trump beats the rap, they'll say in the general election, "Trump's going to appoint more crony corrupt judges" which may impact Senate elections. But the immediate impact will be in primaries, if the indictment can pull off a DeSantis nomination. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:08, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

The media has been talking up a storm about classified documents. The Espionage Act was enacted in 1917. The classification system wasn't created until 1951. It covers "information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation." The act is an antique, impossible to enforce in the modern world. The judge should rule that it has been superseded by the Presidential Records Act of 1978. Obama and Comey used the Logan Act of 1799 against Flynn in 2016, so these moot court favorites are getting a workout as partisan tools. See "Legal Opinions On Trump Indictment Incoming." PeterKa (talk) 11:46, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

As I understand it, there was document with a proposal from Milley to invade and occupy Iran. This may be the "national defense information" they intend to use. Of course, we wouldn't know about it unless it was leaked by the Special Prosecutors office. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:01, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Although PRA is the obvious law to use given the allegations, it doesn't allow for obstruction charges. PeterKa (talk) 13:11, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

The obvious question is, Why wasn't Hillary indicted for mishandling classified defense information when it was hacked on her illegal private server by a foreign government while she was running for president in 2015 and 2016? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:26, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Let's look at the larger picture of the modern-day "left vs. right" battle. How will the beast system culminate and bring about the whole world into false worship? Who will institute it?

Certainly not the globalist establishment left; they are so openly, perniciously evil, so ruthlessly murderous, financing Nazis, Islamists, and various terrorists worldwide overthrowing democratic governments with the blood of millions of South Americans, Libyans, Iranians, etc. upon their hands. They are so utterly despised that their intended order will certainly fail. What if Satan is purposefully using this to swing the pendulum? What if Satan uses the evils of the globalists to raise up a new guard on the "right" who exploit these evils and the sufferings of millions upon millions of individuals to rally the world to a new agenda, a New World Order? What if the purpose all along was the create the chaos and disorder so a new order rises up saying, "this world is so filled with strife and murder and destitution because we lack rest; we need our Sunday rest to restore Christian morality."

That's exactly what the "Christian Nationalists" are saying. They will be the ones instituting the beast system once they gain power in the U.S. government, clamoring for a "return to Christian morality" and enforcing, among edicts, a Sunday rest law. Some of you may say, "oh, but that will never happen because of the Constitution!" Well, how much of the Constitution has been abided by the U.S. government in the past half century? If it can be twisted in one direction, it can too in another path. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Saturday, 17:20, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Spoken like a true leftist and Liberation Theology proponent. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:35, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa- I just said that the people causing the mass sufferings are "the globalist establishment left," and here you are conflating me for a leftist in demonstration of psychological projection. It's just like over at the debate on the Immigration Act of 1924 where you accuse me of "communist brainwash" (oh wow, so only Communists oppose racism, eh? Now that is actual Communist propaganda!) despite your own record of Comsymping. Your neighbors must be tired of irony meters exploding every other time you publish a talk page comment. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 22:19, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:43, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

I am of the opinion that Gov. Nikki Haley would be a Great VP for a Prez. De Santis.

"A U.S.-India alliance would allow both countries to expand their global strength.

By, Rep. Mike Waltz and Nikki Haley

October 25, 2021

In February, U.S. President Joe Biden declared, “diplomacy is back at the center of our foreign policy” and “we will repair our alliances and engage with the world once again.” Nine months into his presidency, the opposite has happened—and the United States’ adversaries are taking advantage of the situation.

Consider our allies: We witnessed ministers in the British Parliament publicly rebuke Biden in the aftermath of our disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal. France recalled its ambassador in an extraordinary move. We’ve isolated our Eastern European allies by capitulating to Germany over the construction of Russia’s Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

Meanwhile, our adversaries are growing bolder, especially following the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal. An axis of terror is forming from Hamas to Iran to the Taliban. Pakistan has stepped up its engagement with Iran. China has increased its incursions into Taiwan’s air identification zone to record levels. Russia is increasing its influence in Belarus and further threatening Ukraine.

Is this really the best “diplomacy” and “engagement” the United States can muster? Of course not. Instead of insulting our friends and ignoring our foes, the United States should prioritize relationships that strengthen our standing in the world.

The place to start is India. It’s time to form an alliance.

As a nuclear power with more than 1 million troops, a growing navy, a top-tier space program, and a proven history of economic and military cooperation with the United States, India would make a strong ally. An alliance with India would allow both countries to maintain and expand their global strength. And together with Japan and Australia, it would enable the United States to form a real deterrent to potential terrorist threats in Afghanistan as well as counter China.

When the Biden administration unconditionally withdrew our military from Afghanistan, the United States ceded tremendous power to our adversaries in Central Asia. Many Americans will find relief in the idea that the United States has ended its longest war, yet the war on terror has not left us. The terrorists who launched attacks on us 20 years ago fully intend to strike us again.

Prior to our withdrawal, the Biden administration failed to secure basing agreements from countries neighboring Afghanistan to the north. Logistically, we need these bases to conduct counterterrorism missions. The administration also abandoned Bagram Airfield—the only U.S. base in a country that borders China, which is ratcheting up tensions with the rest of the world.

The Biden administration claims the United States retains “over-the-horizon” capabilities to strike terrorists. This is inaccurate. For example, should a U.S. military drone launch from a base in the Persian Gulf, it would consume much of its fuel just getting to Afghanistan, severely limiting our ability to identify and strike targets. With no U.S. bases left in the region, China, Iran, Russia, and even Pakistan will influence the future of these terrorist groups, with little reason to help the United States.

We now only have one partner who can effectively keep a watchful eye on Afghanistan. It’s the same partner that can keep track of China’s southern flank: India.

India operates Farkhor Air Base in Tajikistan, the only air base with the proximity to conduct counterterrorism strikes in Afghanistan. With an alliance, India could allow us access to strategic bases to protect U.S. interests in Afghanistan and the broader region.

A U.S.-India alliance would also give us an edge over China. Like the United States, India recognizes that China is a rapidly growing threat. Not only is it attempting to capitalize on our withdrawal from Afghanistan, which goes against both the United States and India’s interests, China is also pressuring India on its own borders.

Last year, Chinese and Indian troops clashed in the contested Himalayan border region of Ladakh, resulting in the deaths of 20 Indian soldiers and four Chinese soldiers, according to the Chinese government. India has since redirected 50,000 troops to its border with China for a total of 200,000 Indian troops now stationed there. Tensions have only escalated since then. In recent days, China has also reinforced its military presence along the Himalayan border with 100 advanced long-range rocket launchers.

A U.S.-India alliance would give China pause before further expanding into Central and Southern Asia. And we’d be building on solid ground. Just this month, the U.S. military held joint exercises with hundreds of Indian soldiers in Alaska to strengthen cooperation and better prepare for cold, mountainous conditions like those in the China-India border region.

An alliance would also recognize the region’s shifting geopolitical realities. China’s newly aggressive posture toward India is not by accident. It is part of a broader plan. The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is emboldened after shoring up support from India’s longtime foe, Pakistan.

Following the same playbook it has used in developing countries around the world, the Chinese Communist Party has created dependence through its Belt and Road Initiative. In exchange for bolstering Pakistan’s faltering electric grid, sending thousands of doses of its COVID-19 vaccine, and giving financial relief to ease Pakistan’s growing national debt, China now has a regional client state willing to do the CCP’s bidding and help bolster its international standing.

The investment has paid important dividends for Beijing. Earlier this year, Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan—the leader of a nation with the world’s second largest Muslim population—refused to condemn China’s ongoing genocide of Muslim Uyghurs. Now, China hopes it can rely on Pakistan to help keep Islamist terrorism from spilling over Afghanistan’s border and into western China, where the CCP fears terrorists might find recruits in the mostly Muslim Uyghur province of Xinjiang.

Growing collusion between China and Pakistan poses serious security risks for both India and the United States. For India, a U.S. alliance would be a bulwark against a two-fronted conflict on its borders. For the United States, an alliance would help blunt Pakistan’s influence—a state sponsor of terrorism now propped up by Chinese investments—in Afghanistan. We need a new partner to prevent the creation of a terrorist super state that can attack our country again.

Beyond the security relationship, the United States and India also share economic concerns, including the need for a stable supply chain. India’s enormous workforce offers an opportunity for the United States to alter its supply chain dependence on China. We can rely on India as a major source of pharmaceuticals, technology, and critical minerals, supplementing our own domestic manufacturing capabilities. We should also continue working toward a more comprehensive U.S.-India trade deal.

Then there’s cyberwarfare. As the United States felt the pain of the Colonial Pipeline cyberattack by Russia-linked cybercriminals earlier this year, disrupting Americans’ gasoline supplies, a suspected Chinese state-sponsored group cyberattacked India, causing 20 million residents in Mumbai to lose power last fall. An alliance would enable us to prevent and respond to cyber threats utilizing best practices, technologies, and expertise.

The benefits of a U.S.-India alliance are many. It’s also the case that we share many values. By uniting the world’s strongest and largest democracies in a formal alliance, we can do a better job of defending freedom in an increasingly tyrannical world.

Establishing an alliance is the natural result of recent momentum. The United States and India drew closer together during the Trump administration; one notable achievement was the signing of the 2018 Communications Compatibility and Security Agreement. That deal granted India more advanced communication technology for U.S.-purchased defense equipment to help elevate coordination during conflict. In October 2020, the Trump administration and the Indian government signed another agreement for geospatial cooperation that boosted the Indian military’s weapons systems with advanced navigational tools.

These are the sorts of things that allies do, yet our current diplomatic status with India is described as a “strategic partnership.” An upgrade is urgently needed. Just as our alliances with NATO, Japan, and South Korea transformed U.S. security in the 20th century, an alliance with India would help keep us safe in the 21st century. It’s time to make that happen."

https://waltz.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=558 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 00:28, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

It's past high time for India to have a seat on the Permanent UN Security Council. Of course, Nikki Haley's support for Nazism doesn't do much to give her any credibility in the matter in the eyes of the US public. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:33, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Agreed with your first statement and glad you support that. Thank you and God Bless. Your 2nd statement is incorrect. See below. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 01:52, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

If I were the RNC coach and general manager, I'd offer the Democrats a trade of the Hindu Nikki Haley for the Hindu Tulsi Gabbard. They can keep Kamala, she's only half Hindu. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:37, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Nikki Haley wasn't Hindu, she was Sikh. She's a Christian now, and married to Michael Haley, a Soldier. Those who are Soldiers, like Gov. De Santis, or married to Soldiers, like Gov. Haley - besides both having splendid fiscal/governance records, being popular in their home state, having won re-election based on merit and governance by HUGE margins the second time etc - are the ones most likely to both avoid starting unjust/unnecessary Wars against peaceful countries as well as do engage in defensive Wars against Aggressors like Hitler, Stalin, Putin etc. And being from India and having experienced a small minority of actual Neo-Nazi Skinheads, she has no love for that either. Both of them are Raeganites in the Peace through Strength Tradition and both are also Anti-Wokism and can defeat Wokist Communism. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 01:51, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Fair enough; I stand corrected (I was also thinking maybe the Dems could trade Kamala to the UK for Rishi Sunak. The UK would get a twofer, half Black half India, and the Dems could get a "conservative" Democrat).

What about the aggressors like Victoria Nuland, Ohama, Bush, et al. There's only 4.5 million dead innocents since their Nazi aggression. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:58, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Yes, that's why the Judeo-Christian and Augustino-Thomistic Tradition of Just War is so important. I say again, a War in the modern world cannot be justified unless (1) someone invades your country and tries to kill you, in which case it is a Just War for you to fight back, and since your Allies in that case also have the right to help you, (2) it follows that it is also a Just War to help countries like Ukraine fight their Just War against Aggressors trying to burn their country to the ground. The same as Conservative Catholic Anti-Nazi Poland did against Nazi Germany and Godless Commie/Communist Thug Jo Stalin, before other Anti-Nazi Western Countries like Britain, France and then America got involved on the right side. Keep your eyes on Taiwan next, Commie China wants to thuggishly invade it, possibly by 2025 itself. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 02:27, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

If in 2025 when the Communist Chinese invasion of Taiwan is most likely, if De Santis/Haley are in office, America will almost certainly win, and it will be a Great Victory for the Free World and a terrible defeat for Communism. However, if Biden/Harris are in, or frankly even some poor candidates like Trump/Lake that hardly know what they are doing, the sad Truth is, America may actually lose. So much depends on the right choice. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 02:30, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Invading a sovereign, independent foreign country with the Open Society Foundations, the National Endowment for Democracy, and USAID with the object of interference in its domestic internal affairs and regime change is illegal under a United Nations resolution. The United Nations allows for collective self-defense in the face of threats. And even American precedents outside the UN charter, in America's so-called "rules based order", allows for invasion under its doctrine of Responsibility to Protect (R2P) civilians being murdered by their government (democide).

It is impossible for China to "invade" Tiawan, anymore than America could "invade" Texas or California. The United States officially recognizes Taiwan as a province of China. US military support to Taiwan is aggressive interference in China's internal affairs {and a violation of international law).

Simply cause propaganda sources keep repeating lies ad infinitum will never make those lies true or facts. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:45, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

America's military doctrine is incorrect or not fully correct, and is what has led to some of those abuses which you bemoan, but which you're not interested in solving. The solution is given by Saint Augustine, Saint Thomas, Saint Paul, and Lord Jesus, and I stand with them. He who takes up the Sword will perish by the Sword. You are not to start Wars rashly and indiscriminately, but only when suffering millions ask for your help, like many in Ukraine do, like many in Taiwan hope for, like many Jews did during WWII, as did Poles etc. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 02:54, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

So when the United States overthrew the democratic government that signed the Budapest Memorandum, who started the war? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 03:01, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Firstly, why did the Kremlin so blatantly violate its solemn commitments under the Budapest Memorandum? It shows that Appeasement of Aggressors does not work. Russia solemnly promised neither to invade nor threaten to invade Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine surrendering its weapons to Russia. [I see you updated the article. Good]. But Russia blatantly broke that commitment. The UK and US are upholding their contractual commitments by defending Ukraine.

Second, the Ukrainian Parliament voted 328-0 against Yanukovych after Putin's unjust War against Crimea: "Parliament votes 328-0 to impeach Yanukovych Feb. 22, 5:19 p.m. — Accusing him of massive human rights violations and abandonment of his duties, parliament voted unanimously today to impeach Viktor Yanukovych as Ukraine’s fourth president." https://www.kyivpost.com/post/7028

Did America pay off or buy each and every one of those 328 leaders? Why weren't there at least 100 votes in his favor if he was a good leader? Of course not. That's how democracy works, and he lost the trust of the people. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 11:04, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

(A) This part of the of piece from The Conversation website, et seqq, "Ukraine agreed to relinquish its nuclear arsenal" is simply false. Ukraine never had a nuclear arsenal. The stockpiles became part of the "Megatons to Megawatts" deal to be burnt in nuclear power plants as cited in the Uranium One scandal article. Ukraine essentially was holding the weapons hostage, denying passports and removal of the stockpiles until it was paid. The stockpiles were retrieved by the US and dismantled in the United States. (B) As to the unconstitutional impeachment, the facts with citations are covered here: Maidan_coup#Unconstitutional_impeachment, excerpted:

RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:21, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Let's suppose for a moment if during the Canadian Trucker protest that Russia hired and trained Canadian, Saudi, Republic of Georgia and other mercenary snipers to shoot protestors. And let's further suppose the Trudeau regime was blamed. And let's further suppose it led to the toppling of the Canadian government, and a Russia puppet state took its place.

Is that aggression? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 03:14, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Hmmm. No answer after 48 hours, which pretty much explains the lack of informed readers who think (and keep repeating the lie) that Russia started an "unprovoked" war. This hypothetical scenario about the Canada Trucker protest, is exactly what took in the shooting deaths of the "Heavenly Hundred" by CIA-hired mercenary snipers. And the same scenario also played out in the Syrian war at the about the same time, but failed to topple the Syrian government. The Syrian war however, continues. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:12, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

"Richard Dawkins Begrudgingly Admits Christianity Could Be Protecting Us From Evils of This World Is one of today's most famed atheists making a flip-flop?

According to several articles now circulating, Richard Dawkins says he has mixed feelings about the decline of Christianity, "in so far as Christianity might be a bulwark against something worse."

Though the quote originally appeared in a 2010 article, the significance remains, especially with the rise of the Islamic state and radical Islamic terror.

Within this week alone, the Islamic State claimed responsibility for attacks in Indonesia, Turkey and Afghanistan.

"There are no Christians, as far as I know, blowing up buildings. I am not aware of any Christian suicide bombers. I am not aware of any major Christian denomination that believes the penalty for apostasy is death," Dawkins said.

Dawkins is right, according to several Christian commentators.

"Indeed, while many may claim to be 'Christian,' the word only applies to those who are justified in Christ, spiritually reborn and regenerated through the supernatural work of the Holy Spirit," writes barbwire.com's Matt Barber. "The true Christian walks in Christ's steps through faith and obedience. Terrorism is in direct disobedience to Christ."

Though some secularists point to the Planned Parenthood shooting as "Christian terrorism," those who truly know Christ disagree.

"As for those 'anti-abortion extremists,' their actions have been condemned by all major pro-life groups as well as by all major Christian leaders involved in the pro-life movement, since, by murdering another human being, they violate the very spirit of being 'pro-life,'" writes Charisma News' Dr. Michael Brown.

"More importantly, there is not a single word in the teaching of Jesus or the New Testament that supports murdering an abortion doctor (or worker), nor is there anything in ancient Christian tradition or example that would support this," Brown continues.

When someone truly knows the power of Christ, they can't help but be changed, and even the world's most famous atheist recognizes that God is protecting us from evil."

https://www.charismanews.com/culture/54458-richard-dawkins-begrudgingly-admits-christianity-could-be-protecting-us-from-evils-of-this-world NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 02:52, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, and while it's good of Dawkins to begin to recognize Christianity is Good for the world even apart from the question of its Truth (it is both True and Good of course, as we Christians know), contrary to Dawkins other tacit claim, Christianity worldwide is not in decline. In some specific countries, yes, it is. But worldwide, no, as I mention on my site here, with a source, Christianity will cross 3 Billion Souls soon, and 3.3 BN by 2050. If we Pray more fervently and Evangelize more effectively and work harder, that could happen even sooner.

"Global Christian Population to Reach 3.3 Billion by 2050 A.D!

"Praise the Lord! Let us pray that it happens even faster, by 2033! From Good Faith Media:

"There will be over 2.6 billion Christians worldwide by the middle of 2023 and around 3.3 billion by 2050, according to a report published in early January by the Center for the Study of Global Christianity at Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary.

The 2,604,381,000 estimate for mid-year 2023 Christian population total is a 44,506,000-person increase from the mid-year 2022 total."

From: https://reasonstobechristian.com/f/global-christian-population-to-reach-33-billion-by-2050-ad (3.3 Billion) NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 02:52, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Atheism is the antithesis used by the NWO to counteract the Judeo-Christian "thesis." Ultimately, the NWO intends on smashing both atheism and Judeo-Christianity in order to establish esoteric, Luciferian, Masonic/neo-Masonic Satan worship, aka the culmination of the beast system. Why smash atheism? Well, by then, it had already served its purpose to turn people away from true worship, and because atheism denies all religion, it hence denies the existence of Satan. Atheism is just the temporary tool, the means, used to achieve a more overtly Satanic ends—false Sunday worship honoring the devil instead of the God of the Holy Bible. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Saturday, 17:12, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

It's sad to see even Christians and Conservatives sometimes use foul language like liberal worldlings, and godless atheists and commies do. Those who don't know should know Jesus Christ said we will have to give an account for every word we speak before the Throne of God, and even Saint Paul condemns it. Here is Ephesians 4:29 in the Amplified KJV:

"29 Do not let unwholesome [foul, profane, worthless, vulgar] words ever come out of your mouth, but only such speech as is good for building up others, according to the need and the occasion, so that it will be a blessing to those who hear [you speak]." [Eph 4:29, Amp.] NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 14:21, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

"Let your speech be seasoned with salt." - Paul

"If the salt looses its savor, it ain't fit for the sh*t pile." - Jesus. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:16, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

See, back in the day, animal dung - horse, camel, donkey, etc. - was collected daily and piled in the middle of the street for sanitation workers to remove. Salt was spread on the dung hill to absorb some of the smell until the workers got around to it. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:54, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, and before indoor plumbing, chamber pots of human waste also were mixed in with the animal dung (carnivorous human feces stinks worse than herbivores). In Jerusalem, they carted it out to Gehenna or the Jerusalem city dump where lepers, barred from entrance into the city, picked through the city dump looking for clothing rags and food. The fires burnt 24/7 in Gehenna. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:03, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Now let's examine the Law of God for a moment. Moses commanded that when you had to "relieve yourself", you were to go outside the camp. But the Pharisees said taking a dump in a chamber pot inside the city or camp and letting some low-class plebian cart it outside the city fulfilled the law. Which begs the question: Are we still to fulfil the law of the Sabbath, too? RobS^{Give Peace a chance}

You're distorting Jesus's words. The King James Bible renders Luke 14:35 as Jesus using the phrase "dunghill," which clearly is not equivalent in appropriateness and tone to "sh*t pile." Jesus did not use foul language despite what you may assume.

Jesus fulfilled the law (Matt. 5:17); He obeyed the very moral law He established in the Torah, and fulfilled the ceremonial law by completing what the shadows were pointing towards: His earthly death on the cross. Thus, after He said "It is finished!" the ceremonial law was fulfilled and obsolete because it served its purpose, while the moral law still remains. While ceremonial sabbaths were part of the ceremonial law, the Sabbath is part of the moral law established at creation (Gen. 2:3), which predates the Jews and hence debunks the mythology surrounding the "Jewish Sabbath." —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Saturday, 16:55, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, and since the Sunday-keepers love to take the Acts of the Apostles out of context by harping over verse 20:7, let's consider: what was a defining feature of the Sabbath emphasized in the Torah? Leviticus spells it out clearly:

What was the consistent day of holy convocation in Acts? Sunday? No. It was still the Sabbath, as Paul spoke to the Jews on the Sabbath, after which the Gentiles pleaded with him to teach them the next Sabbath. (Acts 13:42) Now, this itself is quite telling: these Gentiles presumably had been former pagans, and thus used to worship on Sunday because pagan religions in the time revolved around sun worship. In Paul's day, these authentic Gentile converts to Jewish Christianity did not seek to maintain their pagan custom of worshiping on Sunday, but had the mind of repentance and renewal to put aside their old paganism and gather on the Sabbath.

"And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God." (Acts 13:44) And what was Paul's consistent action? "And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures." (Acts 17:2) The holy convocation was still on the Sabbath in the New Testament church, not Sunday. First-day worship is a relic of paganism, not Christianity. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Saturday, 17:04, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

(a) What is dung? (b) What evidence do you have of an alternative "foul" word for dung at the time of Christ? (c) What evidence do you have for scientific research at the time of Christ for alternative words to the foul language term, "dung"?

We've been over the rest dozens of times. Paul was not speaking to a convocation of believers on the Sabbath. He was telling them they didn't have to meet on the Sabbath - the Sabbath was created for man as a day of rest, not man created to serve the Sabbath. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:30, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Dung means poop/manure, and it's inaccurate to assume that the word Jesus used is an equivalent of the s-word, an inappropriate slang, and in some form of inappropriate manner as the s-word is used.

"He was telling them they didn't have to meet on the Sabbath" Wow. This, along with your "Job was affirming the immortality of the soul," have got to be tied for the greatest deceptive twists on biblical truth you've propagated yet. The straightforward reading of the Bible substantiates my points, not yours. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Saturday, 17:32, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Well, it's not as bad as you denying animals and humans poop and that was what Jesus was talking about. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:41, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

"I thank God that I'm not like those who deny animals and humans poop and that was what Jesus was talking about" That's almost what you sound like right now. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Saturday, 17:51, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, so you think every time somebody had to take a leak in the middle of the night in Jerusalem, they went outside the city gate (which was locked at night) and then had to pass leprosy inspection before being readmitted to the city? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:38, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

What are you blabbering about now? I wasn't denying that Jesus referring to manure, I'm refuting your insinuation that Jesus used an inappropriate cuss word. When are you going to stop flagrantly lying before John 8:44 gets thrown at you again? —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Saturday, 17:46, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

It may be a cuss word in our time, but you have no evidence it was in Jesus day.

This ought to be fun for poops and giggles: What is the meaning of Isaiah 14:23 (and elsewhere in scripture)? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:49, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

I'm not answering your cascade of irrelevant questions until you first address your error in claiming that "[Paul] was telling them they didn't have to meet on the Sabbath." —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Saturday, 17:50, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Paul was preaching the gospel: ye are not under law but under grace,. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:01, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

And this phrase, we've been over a hundred times likewise; it does not negate the need for keeping the Sabbath. "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46) —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Saturday, 18:04, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, so using an indoor flush toilet violates the Law of God. Ok. I stand corrected. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:07, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

[EC] I didn't address anything about that random point on indoor toilet flushing you suddenly invoked as an off-topic distraction, and I'd wager it's 99% likely another deceptive ploy of yours. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Saturday, 18:09, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

One thing you've never addressed is, why God provides an exemption for all other commandments except the law of the Sabbath, despite Jesus and Paul doing so. You sound as crazy as Doug Bachelor: the Christian does not murder because he's commanded not to, nor because he's not under law; but because it is not in the Christian's heart to hate and/or murder (same thing). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:27, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Not just hearing. Doing, IOWs works. These aren't words of mine, rather those of the Apostle John. So when you say that faith negates the need for good works, you're openly denying dozens upon dozens of plain Bible verses. If we don't need to keep the law, then why are you fussing over Hillary's emails, Biden's Ukraine corruption, congressional funding of globalist Ukronazis, ad infinitum? If there's no need to keep the law and bringing forth fruits in keeping with repentance (Matt. 3:8), then that's a free license to sin. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Saturday, 19:47, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

I never said faith negates the need for works. I said me, God, Jesus, and Paul all say your works will not save you. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:14, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

every one that doeth righteousness is born of him. is basically the same thing James says in shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Ultimately, it doesn't matter, cause we are not judged by man. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:19, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

exhort one another daily, while it is called today.

What is the difference between an exhortation and a commandment? The New Testament is long on exhortations and short on commands. An exhortation is like a coach standing on the sidelines yelling at his players to score. Exhortations are aimed at the "weaker brethren" to build them up in faith. Exhortations are instructions to us to be examples to the weaker brethren. The passage in James is an exhortation. But to exhort someone by commanding them to good works for salvation, is a false gospel. Neither is it spoken in love. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:39, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Even a very snide and biting exhortation like Ye are of your father the devil is an exhortation to repent. But keep in mind it was spoken to non-believers, and I would not exhort a babe in Christ to use that. Babes in Christ need to be built up in Christ. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:51, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief. So now we are onto each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned (ESV). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:57, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) Truthfully, Isaiah 14:23 and elsewhere the phrase "pisseth against the wall" is illuminating to much of scripture.

Question: Is using an indoor flush toilet a violation of the Law of God in Deuteronomy 23? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:35, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Romans 2, James 2 and 2 Peter 1, not to mention Matthew 25, refute the false doctrine that Good Works are not necessary for salvation. Good works are not sufficient to save us, but they are necessary. Salvation = The Grace of God+your faith in Christ+the good works God does in you+your perseverance to the end, by the help of His Grace.

Here are the passages: Romans 2, God repays/rewards each one according to their works: " 6God “will repay each one according to his works.” 7To those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life" (Rom 2:6-7).

'James 2, Faith without Works is Dead: "Faith Without Works Is Dead 14What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." (James 2:14-26)." NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 20:55, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

We've been over this a thousand times.

Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him as righteous.

This day thou shalt be with me in paradise. The thief on the cross next to Jesus had no time for good works. His faith alone saved him. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:01, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

NishantXavier, you're confusing salvation with justification. Salvation is by faith alone (Eph. 2:8), while justification requires the completion of faith through works. James 2:21 and 24–25 in speaking of the need for good works plainly uses the term "justify," not "save." —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 22:15, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

No, that's not theologically accurate, LT. Agreed that Salvation and Justification are distinct, but no can be saved without being justified. Justification is thus a necessary but not sufficient condition for salvation. Biblically, Salvation=Justification+Sanctification+Perseverance. That Justification is necessary for Salvation is obvious. That Sanctification is necessary for salvation is proven from two verses, first which says, we should do the will of the Father to be saved, and the other which says the will of God is our Sanctification. As for Perseverance, it is proven from Christ saying: "Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of many shall grow cold. But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved".

Now, St. James the Apostle teaches us: "you see then that a man is justified by his works, and not by faith alone". If a man cannot even be justified (just the 1st component in the Biblical Equation above) by faith alone, he obviously cannot be saved by faith alone. No, as I said earlier, Salvation is also= the Grace of God + your faith in Christ + the good works God does in you and through and for you + your perseverance to the end, with the help of God's Grace, as can be proven from multiple passages. I will cite the verses if needed. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 00:14, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

Uh, you have it backwards, NishantXavier. Salvation comes first, then justification. Jesus compares faith to a seed (Matt. 13) and works to the fruit (Matt. 7:20)—one plants a seed to grow a fruit, not the other way around. With the fully grown fruit essentially representing the completed state of justification, it's clear that salvation, symbolized by the planting of the seed, must take place first. The process of justification thus can be compared to the sprouting of the fruit from the seed.

If one is already justified, then why the need for salvation? If one already stands justified before God and thus qualified for Heaven, then what do they need to repent of? It's salvation that comes first, and then God renews the person in the process of sanctification towards justification. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 00:22, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

Now, I see where you're coming from in saying that "no [one] can be saved without being justified." Certainly, no individual is truly able to enter Heaven unless they are justified in the sight of God. However, your understanding isn't biblically sound because you're confusing salvation with sanctification; first we are saved by faith alone in confessing our sins in the name of Jesus for them to be washed clean by His blood and declaring Him as our Savior, and then we are on the process of achieving justification. Sorry if I sound a bit too blunt here, as I'm trying to get my points across in a straightforward manner. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 00:27, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

2 Peter 1, whoever lacks Good Works is Nearsighted and Blind: "Partakers of the Divine Nature

3His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through the knowledge of Him who called us by His owna glory and excellence. 4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

5For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith virtue; and to virtue, knowledge; 6and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. 8For if you possess these qualities and continue to grow in them, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9But whoever lacks these traits is nearsighted to the point of blindness, having forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins.

10Therefore, brothers, strive to make your calling and election sure. For if you practice these things you will never stumble, 11and you will receive a lavish reception into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."

Once more, those who faithfully add good works to faith are those who will "receive a lavish reception into the eternal kingdom of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ". Many other passages could be cited, Saint John saying: "whoever works righteousness is righteous just as He is righteous (i.e. because He Himself worked good works)" I believe was cited above, and Saint Peter telling Cornelius, who wasn't even a Christian yet: "Of a Truth I perceive that God shows no partiality but in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is acceptable to Him" is another example. Finally, when Christ tells us to store Treasures in Heaven by Good Works like Alms-Giving or Charity, He shows these good works, when done with faith in Christ, have eternal value or eternal rewards in the Kingdom of Heaven.

But Mat 25 is the Greatest of these and it shows what Good Works are necessary: "31When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left.

34Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, 36I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you visited Me.’

37Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink? 38When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39When did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?’

40And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’" (Mat 25:31-40)." These are the good works God commanded, (1) feeding the hungry (2) giving drink to the thirsty (3) hospitality to foreigners/strangers (4) clothing the naked (5) caring for the sick (6) visiting prisoners etc. See: https://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/how-we-teach/new-evangelization/jubilee-of-mercy/the-corporal-works-of-mercy These are the works by which, as the Lord said, "All men shall know that you are My Disciples, when you show love for one another", and "Let your light shine before men, that they may see your Good Works, and glorify your Eternal Father". These also thus greatly assist in Evangelism, for it attracts non-Christians to the Faith. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 21:06, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

It's all fine, but it won't buy you a ticket to heaven. Bill Gates for all his intended good works in his mind, still needs to repent and have faith in Jesus. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:14, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Bill Gates does evil works like his vaccine de-population agenda aiming to maim, kill or harm millions. Those are evil works which will have to punished, according to the Lord's Word: "“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work." (Revelation 22:12).

Here, I am speaking of the actual Good Works of caring for the Poor, giving alms, storing your treasures in Heaven, etc. like for e.g. righteous Christians like Mother Theresa showed. And Evangelism for Christ is also a Good Work meriting a reward, as it says in 1 Cor 3, so we can include those like a St. Patrick, or a Rev. Billy Graham in that. Those with faith in Christ and who do good works will have eternal rewards. Both faith and good works are necessary, not faith alone, as St. James says, and as Abraham showed: "You see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith alone .. his good works worked together with his (Abraham's) faith, and by good works faith was made perfect"." Be like blessed Abraham and make sure your good works make your faith perfect; otherwise, your faith is dead, as the same Apostle says, for faith without works, if faith remains alone, is truly dead. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 21:28, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

[Edit: 1 Jn 3 would also apply to murderers and planned de-populators like Gates and other deep state globalists: "14We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. The one who does not love remains in death. 15Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that eternal life does not reside in a murderer."

And on the contrary, the works of those with true Christian Love in their heart, i.e. with the Holy Spirit dwelling in them, are evident:

True Love: "16By this we know what love is: Jesus laid down His life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. 17If anyone with earthly possessions sees his brother in need, but withholds his compassion from him, how can the love of God abide in him?"] NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 21:31, June 10, 2023 (EDT)

Anyway, coming back to the original point; foul language is a sin and Christians who seriously pursue holiness and eternal rewards in the life to come should not do it, for as 1 Cor 3:13-15 teaches if they do, the Lord could discipline them "as through fire" and they could lose rewards. Also, to address an objection: if you are a doctor for e.g. and you need to tell a patient to urinate, you can do so in a proper and decent manner. But to use words like f,p,s etc, especially in virtually every other sentences, as liberals, atheists, godless worldlings do, reveals a carnal and perhaps unregenerate soul. Take care, especially those who are Christians to avoid such language and speak only good things.

Eph 5:3-5, KJV Amp:"3 But sexual immorality and all [moral] impurity [indecent, offensive behavior] or greed must not even be hinted at among you, as is proper among saints [for as believers our way of life, whether in public or in private, reflects the validity of our faith]. 4 Let there be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse [obscene or vulgar] joking, because such things are not appropriate [for believers]; but instead speak of your thankfulness [to God]. 5 For be sure of this: no immoral, impure, or greedy person—for that one is [in effect] an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God [for such a person places a higher value on something other than God]." (Amp.)

Concurred; you articulated it brilliantly. The Bible refers to numerous, well, let's just say NSFW contexts such as in Genesis 38:9, but certainly doesn't use direct foul language. All Christians likewise should abstain from cussing. I know I myself am prone to using milder terms like "crap" to express impulsive frustration, though perhaps even that's a habit I ought to curb. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 00:42, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

Okay. Enough's enough. Now tell me what God means when he said:

1 Kings 14:10-11 Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and will cut off from Jeroboam him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel, and will take away the remnant of the house of Jeroboam, as a man taketh away dung, till it be all gone.

RobS^{Give Peace a chance}

The NRSV Bible translation is a sound translation and it translates 1 Kings 14: 10-11 thusly: "therefore, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam. I will cut off from Jeroboam every male, both bond and free, in Israel and will consume the house of Jeroboam, just as one burns up dung until it is all gone. Anyone belonging to Jeroboam who dies in the city, the dogs shall eat; and anyone who dies in the open country, the birds of the air shall eat; for the Lord has spoken.”

In an agrarian society, like that which existed in biblical times, I wouldn't consider the word "dung" to be foul language. Conservative (talk) 02:15, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

That's close, and that is one interpretation. But it doesn't convey the whole meaning. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:23, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

To thumbnail it (and I could go into much greater detail), "the wall" of the ancient city is a symbol of God himself providing protection for his people (Pr. 18:10 for example or the hymn A Mighty Fortress is Our God; more references available). The walls of Jericho for example fell down cause the people were not protected by God, or the Book of Nehemiah, rebuilding the wall, etc. "He that pisseth against the wall" (using Deuteronomy 23 for example) is someone disrespecting God himself. So it's debatable whether that verse in 1 Kings refers to all the males of the House of Jeroboam being cut off. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:49, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

Conservative, modern Bible "translations" rely on the corrupted Codices Vaticanus and Sinaiticus over the highly corroborated and reliable Textus Receptus. Either one of them or both trace their origins to Alexandria, which along with Rome was infamous for being a swamp of Gnostic, occultist myths. The "discoverers" of the two purportedly "oldest and most reliable manuscripts" were Westcott and Hort, rabid God-denying occultists who sought to turn Protestant Christians away from the inspired word of the King James Bible by gradually producing "modern Bibles" which increasingly corrupt the text and deny Jesus's divinity.

The common argument is made that Codices Vaticanus and Sinaiticus are the oldest and henceforth most reliable. However, they are merely the oldest out of the existing copies we still have today. Shills for the "reliability" of those codices argue that some passages such as Mark 16:9–20 weren't part of the original text because those two codices don't contain it, yet Vaticanus and Sinaiticus date to about the 4th century, and Mark 16:19 was quoted by the ante-Nicene Church Father Irenaeus of Lyons! —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 10:53, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

In Codex Vaticanus, the Pastoral Epistles of the Apostle Paul are gone (oh, and those three Epistles just so happen to be designated by modern-day "scholars" as pseudepigraphal writings; what a coincidence!) while several books of the Apocrypha, viewed by the Roman Catholic Church as inspired, are included. Why is that? Well, follow the trail: what did Paul say in 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, and Titus that so irked the early ideological initiators of the Roman church-state? Paul writes in 1 Timothy 2:5: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." (this is merely one example that caught my attention)

Need I say more? The false teacher and Nicene-era figure Origen along with his acolyte/follower Eusebius, an adviser to Constantine, decided that the biblical truth in the Pastorals too bluntly contradicted their own fantasies, and thus compiled Codices Vaticanus and/or Sinaiticus later discovered and exalted by occultists Westcott and Hort to be used as the basis for modern Bible translations that watered down the influence of Protestantism to the gloating of Jesuits that their own Bible version was henceforth "vindicated." 1 Timothy 2:5 declares Jesus Christ as the one sole mediator between God and man, contradicting the notion that one should pray to Mary or "the saints." —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 11:05, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

Whoops, I almost forgot Titus 1:12–14: "One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth." There goes the notion of believing in eternal torment in the lake of fire because J. I. Packer via "The Gospel Coalition" says so, or that we venerate Mary, pray for the dead, go to church on Sunday, etc. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 11:36, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

The teachings of the SDA sect - largely if not universally rejected in both Catholic and Evangelical Christendom - come under those very same Jewish fables that St. Paul condemns. I notice you conveniently did not bold that part, lol. Do understand that the first major heresy Christendom dealt with came from apostate Jews - namely the Judaizing heresy that Circumcision was necessary for Christians. This the Holy Spirit and the Apostles condemned, as we read in Acts 15 and Galatians, and the Pauline Epistles generally. The idea that we ought to stone people today for working on the OT Jewish Sabbath or something is another Jewish fable, which Christ rejected. The Risen Christ appeared to His disciples and gave them Holy Communion after His Resurrection on Sunday on Sunday itself, thus showing Sunday Communion is proper and fitting in the New Testament. Those who reject this are still under the law and not under Christ ad Saint Paul said of the Jews who were preaching Circumcision, which was a Judaizing denial of the Cross of Christ. So too denying Christian Sunday Communion is a denial of Christ's Resurrection on Sunday. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 11:51, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

I didn't embolden the "Jewish fables" part because it wasn't necessary for emphasis in this instance.

What is Judaizing, as the Apostle Paul denounced in Galatians 2:14? The debates between Paul and the Pharisaic faction of the early New Testament church was not over the moral law, rather the ceremonial law. "Judaizing" referred to the notion that keeping the ceremonial law was necessary for salvation/justification, that Gentile converts must be circumcised and observe strict Jewish traditions. The Sabbath is eternal (Isa. 66:23), not a shadow that was rendered obsolete, and is not "the Jewish Sabbath" because it was established at creation (Gen. 2:3), hence predating the Jews, who were descendants of Shem (that's precisely why Jews are Semites).

Jesus died on the sixth day of the week, rested in the grave on the seventh day, and rose on the eighth/first day. In the Old Testament as recorded all the way back in Genesis, newborn children were circumcised on the eighth day. Why is that? Because it's the start of a fresh week, representing newness. If the eighth/first day was emphasized strongly in the OT and yet there was no basis in that era for first day observance, neither is there such a basis in the NT, where references towards the first day are considerably fewer and less significant. Jesus rising on the first day of the week does not make it a new day of rest, which still was the Sabbath. See Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:1, and Luke 23:56: Jesus's followers "rested the sabbath day according to the commandment."

There is simply no basis in the entirety of the Bible substantiating Sunday observance. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 12:02, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

Let us serve in newness of spirit rather than in oldness of the letter. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:39, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

De Santis will do in the next 4 years all those things Trump could and never do even if he had 40 years hypothetically to do. Reminder, Trump called himself "the most pro-gay president in history" and imposed LGBTQ ideology on other nations, one of the things Rob was blaiming the US for earlier, yet not able to see, that only De Santis has promised to stop it. I mean, how clear can it get as to who is better? God is showing us by various signs and the candidates' respective positions on the issues and their record in the past:

"DESANTIS pledges to “RESTORE the U.S. military to its proper glory.”

“People don't want to join a woke military!” https://twitter.com/DeSantisWarRoom/status/1667695957432041472 (Video in link)

From the same Twitter page: "🔥🔥 NEW: Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt endorses @RonDeSantis for president.

“I am officially 100% endorsing Ron DeSantis for president — and we’re going to win it in Oklahoma!”

"Governor @RonDeSantis will bring the administrative state to heel.

“Our Founding Fathers did not create four branches of government…and yet many of the most important issues affecting our lives, our economy, our society are decided — not by your elected representatives — but by nameless, faceless bureaucrats.” (Videos in link). NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 04:08, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

The America of the Future will be Conservative, Pro-Life, Anti-Woke, Strong, Prosperous, a $ 30 TN Economy, with low debt, and a bulwark against World Communism/Radical Islamism and Woke Globalist threats to freedom whether it be Covidian or vaccine tyranny or or de-population or anything that sort if De Santis becomes President. Can you even imagine what America will look like in 2028, let alone 2032, if he does? And just like he won re-election by record margins in Florida after people actually saw his governance - which is more important than just campaigning - he will undoubtedly win re-election also, whether against Biden, Kamala, Killary or anyone else. De Santis is a Great Governor and will be an even Greater President. It's time for Conservatives to rally around him and win World War III on Woke Leftism.NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 04:21, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

Not gonna happen, so long as conservatives continue to support Nazism and the LGBT movement in NATO, Ukraine, Europe, and America. Dream on, until you come to your senses. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:01, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

Conservatives have a chance to prove they are real Social Conservatives, and not just "fiscal" conservatives, by supporting De Santis. It's another matter that Donald Duck Trump wasn't even fiscally conservative, and increased the debt by 8 TN, after promising to end it in 2 terms when it was around 19 TN, and then failing to do so, while De Santis ran record budget SURPLUSES in Florida. Those who seek the Kingdom of God first will receive everything else also, including material blessings, as I've experienced in my own life, being now an Investment Banker at a high paying job in Wells Fargo. God first; even economy, second. God first. As for Neo-Nazism, as I said Nikki Haley has experienced that and opposes that. There is nothing "Nazi", however, about a Jewish President (the only country other than Israel that has one) that is simply defending his 90% Christian Country, as a Patriotic and Proud Ukrainian, from Ruzzian invaders. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 20:18, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

I wrote most of the articles about homosexuality at Conservapedia, but I must confess that I rarely think about homosexuality. And with me following the news less, it will be even less. There are so much more edifying and profitable topics to think about than homosexuality. Conservative (talk) 19:56, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

Yes, like Ace McWicked's non-gluten fat free diet. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:03, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

I would say Christians should be careful with the word "homosexuality", which gives the false impression that the inclination is genetic or innate. The correct term is the "act/sin of sodomy", which is a disordered/non-procreative sexual act, which no one is under any genetic or innate compulsion to commit, and which is always a sin against Nature and Nature's God, as the Bible and Christian Tradition clearly shows. The term homosexual was coined by two queers 150 years ago: "On May 6, 1868, the itinerant, Austrian-born writer Karl Maria Kertbeny wrote to fellow queer activist Karl Heinrich Ulrichs. His letter contained the earliest recorded use of the terms homosexual and heterosexual. Kertbeny and Ulrichs had much in common but, in this same correspondence, they disagreed over strategies for queer emancipation." https://medium.com/@gvgktang/150-years-ago-the-word-homosexual-was-coined-in-a-secret-correspondence-1803ff9a79bc

A more recent example of how liberal woke people want to normalize pedophilia is by calling them "MAP"s: Minor Attracted Persons. More word games from the woke left.

And no, it is not irrelevant imo. Christians in some parts of Europe, just like the Christian I mentioned in America itself, have been banned/cancelled, fired from their jobs and sometimes even thrown into prison sometimes simply for reading Bible verses or just explaining the Biblical Truth that sin of sodomy is a serious sin, against the design of our bodies, and the Creator of those bodies. It is an act gravely harmful to body and soul alike and is in no way comparable to natural and procreative sex. The act was always called sodomy by Christians, and sometimes even by secular people, after the sin of Sodom, which was displeasing to Almighty God. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 20:09, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

Homosexuality is a punishment or quasi-punishment from God (Quasi-punishment as in God lifting up his hedge of protection). In Romans chapter 1 the Apostle Paul wrote about sodomites/lesbians that God "gave them over to a depraved mind" due to their bad behavior. Conservative (talk) 20:20, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

Agreed, Cons. God Bless. Perhaps we could also use the term "homophilia" to describe the inclination itself, as it is a paraphilia. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 20:40, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

The Bravery of these Heroes is comparable to that of the Allies who gave themselves up to defend Europe and liberate it from Nazis in WWII. Perhaps, it is even more, because the times are so dark, so difficult, evil so strong, yet Kyiv and Ukraine still stands. Putin will fail, and Europe will prevail.

"This is Ukrainian soldier Zhenya Staffovych. He lost part of his right leg and was given little chance of surviving. He defied all expectations and is now back defending Ukraine with a prosthetic leg." https://twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1667957019595210753 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 20:39, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

And to those who would say, "I don't care about what going's on in Ukraine, as it doesn't affect me in any way", I would just say that's not a Christian attitude at all. As I wrote earlier: ""I-don't-care-ism" is one of the Great False Religions of the Modern World. "Christians being persecuted"? I don't care. Unjust Wars? I don't care. Innocents suffering? I don't care. All I care about is me, my money, my pleasure, etc", a form of self-idolatry, worship of mammon and the hedonism that ultimately leads to Atheism, Godlessness and Lawlessness. Good Christians can and should never adhere to such evil opinions but, like Rev. Martin Luther King, believe and acknowledge: "Injustice anywhere is a Threat to Justice Everywhere". NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 20:48, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

Hey, after a brief hiatus, your Azov Nazi buddies are active on YouTube again. [11] RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:06, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

A TRUE 'ALLY': LOCKHEED MARTIN CORP CAME TO REPRESENT AT DC "PRIDE" RALLY. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:35, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

These must be DeSantis supporters at Disney World - they support DeSantis and the War in Ukraine. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:37, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

Prez. Zelenksy is Jewish, as are many other Ukrainian leaders, and even has relatives that died in the Holocaust. As I told you, there are a tiny fraction of Neo-Nazis in America too, though they have no power, just like in Ukraine. Can Russia rightly invade America because of that? Of course not. Leave it to those in power to prevent anything like a 2nd Jewish Holocaust, which is not happening under Prez. Zelensky, both because he is Jewish, and because 90+% approve of their Jewish President, showing Neo-Nazis have very little influence.

"When asked about the activities of President Zelensky, 91% approved of his performance. Ninety-seven percent of Ukrainians believe they will win the war against Russia and 74% believe Ukraine will maintain all territories from within its internationally recognized borders defined in 1991." https://www.iri.org/news/iri-ukraine-poll-shows-strong-confidence-in-president-zelensky-a-surge-in-support-for-nato-membership-russia-should-pay-for-reconstruction/ Can you imagine Biden or Trump, or even De Santis, having 90% support? It's so RARE.

"Days before taking office in 2019, Zelensky put flowers on the grave of his Jewish grandfather, who fought the Nazis in World War II.

“[Simon] went through the whole war and remains forever in my memory one of those heroes who defended Ukraine from the Nazis. Thanks for the fact that the inhuman ideology of Nazism is forever a thing of the past. Thanks to those who fought against Nazism — and won.”

From: https://www.thejc.com/news/world/how-jewish-is-volodymyr-zelensky-1zBi4bpLPCHVjWiAJh6gOq The only one who might cause a 2nd Holodomor is neo-Stalinist Thug Putin. If you would have opposed Stalin then, you should oppose Putin today. Putin has no justification for his actions that have caused millions of people to suffer displacement, both internally and externally, and 100s of 1000s to die. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 21:38, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

Crazy Lib Dems with no new ideas. They've tried this before. They're probably becoming alarmed that De Santis is a rising star, and his national profile and especially his polling in early states is extremely good, hence they're stepping up their liberal leftist lies. Those "protesters" are quite possibly paid Democratic staffers. See this:

"He called the protesters “some jackasses doing this on the street” and suggested the matter was a police issue. “First of all, state law enforcement is going to hold them accountable because they were doing stuff on the overpass, so they are absolutely going to be doing that and they should do that.”

DeSantis’s comments came a day after his press secretary, Christina Pushaw, drew widespread criticism over a tweet that she posted, then deleted, on Sunday. She wrote: “Do we even know they’re Nazis? Or is this a stunt like the ‘white nationalists’ who crashed the Youngkin rally in Charlottesville and turned out to be Dem staffers? I trust Florida law enforcement to investigate and am awaiting their conclusions.”

The “stunt” Pushaw referred to was an incident last October in which the Lincoln Project, an anti-Trump Republican political action committee, sent a group of people pretending to be white supremacists to an event for the Republican gubernatorial candidate Glenn Youngkin in Charlottesville, Virginia." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/01/ron-desantis-neo-nazi-protests NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 21:42, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

More Pro-Ukraine Pro-DeSantis support in Florida. (Don't say I didn't warn you but you made the moral choice to cast your lot with the Nazis). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:44, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

In the information war, the propagandists who write the stuff you post assume you are stupid, and you seem intent on proving them correct. You need to step back, get off the emotional gush, and learn to apply some analytical skills.

If you like Zelensky and the Nazis, stick with Zelensky and the Nazis. If like DeSantis, stick with DeSantis. But the minute you mixed the two, you walked straight into a buzzsaw. And the primary voting is not for more than another 6 months yet (can't wait to see what happens then). Even Trump is not that dumb. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:22, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

I support good people everywhere. I like De Santis because he's a Courageous Soldier and Anti-Woke. I like Prez. Zelensky, not a Nazi, but a Jew, and either a Jewish Christian or at least one sympathetic to Jesus, whom he calls Christ (unlike unbelieving Jews), and Mary, whom he calls "Oranta", which means a Powerful Prayer Warrior. His children and wife are Baptized Orthodox Christians, as is most of Ukraine. But I also commend his Patriotism because, when American Ambassadors offered him safe refuge if only he fled, instead he rejected that offer, and chose to stay behind and suffer with and for his people rather than living a comfortable life elsewhere: "the hireling fleeth because he has no care for the sheep; but the good shepherd (leader) cares for his sheep/people". "I need ammo, not a ride". I judge people, as Dr. Martin Luther King said to do, on the contents of their character. Unfortunately, your neo-Commie Kremlin propaganda might be telling you otherwise, but my analysis and research nows how to rebut and refute those lies. Remember, the ones who said "Khokols are as stupid as crows, but cunning as devils" are the ones spreading racial hatred, just as they are the ones invading other's countries.NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 22:33, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

Yah well it's too bad Zelensky shut down the Ukrainian Orthodox Church and arrested the priests. But keep telling yourself those lies you pick up from Western Nazi propagandists. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:35, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

NEONAZI THOT-BRIGADE IS HERE TO SAVE THE DAY. The black Nazi Sun wheel identifies this defender of Ukraine as a Nazi. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:54, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

INTERESTING PEOPLE FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE CONTINUE SUPPORTING UKRAINE!. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:59, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

Before and after Zelensky's destruction of Kakhovka. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:01, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

NEW DISTURBING FINDINGS ABOUT UKRAINIAN CHILD ORGAN HARVESTING BLACK MARKET. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:06, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

FORENSIC EXPERT DESCRIBES WHAT VILE THINGS AZOV DID TO ONE WOMAN See also Battle of Mariupol. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:26, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

NEW NATO CAMO STANDARD FOR AFU JUST DROPPED. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:30, June 11, 2023 (EDT) It's a war crime to appear on the battlefield out of uniform in civilian clothes.

ANOTHER SUBTITLED PLEA OF AFU SOLDIERS SENT TO SLAUGHTER IN ZAPOROZHYE FAILED OFFENSIVE. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:47, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

SUBTITLED APPEAL OF AFU 37TH BRIGADE - THEY WERE SENT TO GET SLAUGHTERED IN FAILED ZAPOROZHYE RAID.

SUBTITLED PLEA OF AFU SOLDIER SENT TO GET SLAUGHTERED IN ZAPOROZHYE. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:51, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

The below was researched and updated by yours truly at wikipedia some years ago, re-posting it here with some modifications at Conservapedia: "A 2018 study by the Gordon–Conwell Theological Seminary discovered that more Christians live in Africa than any other continent, with 631 million Christians throughout the landmass.^[1] The study also states that Latin America has the second-highest number of Christians at 601 million Christians, while Europe has the third-highest with 571 million Christians.^[2]

According to updated data for 2021, there are now nearly 685 million Christians in Africa, with 760 million expected by 2025.^[3] This surpasses earlier estimates of 630 million to 700 million for 2025: "By 2025, that number is expected to nearly double, to somewhere between 630 and 700 million believers."^[4]

Christian researcher Philip Jenkins has more, with a focus on Catholic Christendom's growth as well (he is himself non-Catholic Christian, Evangelical though, as far as I recall): "It is strange then to realise that this Church – which is already, by far, the largest religious institution on the planet – is in fact enjoying global growth on an unprecedented scale. In 1950, the world’s Catholic population was 437 million, a figure that grew to 650 million by 1970, and to around 1.2 billion today. Put another way, Catholic numbers have doubled since 1970, and that change has occurred during all the recent controversies and crises within the Church, all the debates following Vatican II and all the claims about the rise of secularism.

Nor does the rate of growth show any sign of diminishing. By 2050, a conservative estimate suggests there should be at least 1.6 billion Catholics.

I spoke about global growth, and that “global” element demands emphasis. The Church has an excellent claim to have invented globalisation, and that goes far towards explaining just why its numbers are actually booming. Throughout history there had been so many so-called “world empires” which in reality were mainly confined to Eurasia. Only in the 16th century did the Spanish and Portuguese empires truly span the globe. For me, true globalisation began in 1578, when the Catholic Church established its diocese at Manila, in the Philippines – as a suffragan see of Mexico City, on the other side of the immense Pacific Ocean.

Those once mighty empires are long departed, but their ghosts remain in the thriving Catholic populations of Brazil, Mexico and the Philippines, which today constitute the Church’s three largest population centres. Mexico’s overall population has swelled from 50 million in 1970 to 121 million today, so of course there are lots more Catholics in that country. The Philippines, meanwhile, today claims 80 million Catholics, a number that will likely increase to well over 100 million by 2050. Last year, there were more Catholic baptisms in that country than in France, Spain, Italy and Poland combined.

A cynical observer might object that Church growth is solely the result of surging populations in particular regions where Catholicism happens to be the default religion. Certainly, as always, demographics plays its part in religious change, but this is by no means the whole story, and the clearest proof of this is found in Africa. Back in 1900, Africa had perhaps 10 million Christians of all denominations, constituting some 10 per cent of the whole population. Today, there are half a billion African Christians, accounting for half the continental population, and that number should exceed a billion by the 2040s.

This phenomenal growth – which is, incidentally, by far the largest quantitative change that has ever occurred in any religion, anywhere – is in part the result of the continent’s overall population growth." https://catholicherald.co.uk/catholicisms-incredible-growth-story/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 22:00, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

References

Read this article: Religion and its projected increase in the 22nd century.

I think the picture is even rosier due to Chinese communism collapsing in 10-15 or so years. See: Skepticism about China remaining a global power and Future of atheism in China. Conservative (talk) 22:29, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

Agreed, Cons. If Communism falls in China as it did in the Soviet Union in the next 10-15 years, we could see more Christians in China than even in most Western Countries. A great resurgence of Christianity looks possible, it depends on our efforts and prayers too. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 23:01, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

This stuff really belongs in an article somewhere and not on MPR/talk. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:38, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

As Pastor Daniel Kolenda, whose ministry CFAN has led millions to Christ in Africa (87,694,558 Documented Decisions for Christ and Counting at last count), if a Christian heart doesn't burn and thrill with a holy joy upon hearing such Great Growth of the Gospel/Church/Christendom in the world, then there's something wrong. News shouldn't be all about doom-and-gloom and fatalism and pessimism only, we also need to hear Good News from time, as Jesus Christ knew, as His Gospel itself is Good News, as is the spread of His Gospel. Recall His Word in the Gospel: "And this Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the Nations. And only then the end will come" (Mat 24). A Bible Prophecy from Our Lord and SaviorJesus Christ that's coming true right now. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 23:05, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

Here's the source. Pastor Daniel Kolenda and the late, great Pastor Reinhard Bonnke and Christ For All Nations founded by him has played a large part in that African Christian Growth. God Bless them, and it shows just how much, one Holy-Spirit-led Ministry can do. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 23:06, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

Source: https://cfan.org/doubleharvestdecade

Note: Posters to this page should better organize their thoughts rather than endlessly spamming the page by creating new threads on the same topic at the bottom of the page. Thank you. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:40, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

De Santis signs "strongest anti semitism bill in the United States".

Lol, look how he refutes the false accusation of the lib dems. Rob, you listening? De Santis is Pro-Israel and Anti-Nazi, Period. Those "protestors" were probably lib dem plants in the first place, perhaps funded by left-winger Soros or some such Anti-American people.

"Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on Thursday signed a bill described by one of its co-sponsors as “the strongest antisemitism bill in the United States...” https://www.algemeiner.com/2023/04/27/florida-gov-ron-desantis-signs-antisemitism-bill/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 23:24, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

No, I'm not listening. I'm paying attention the BS coming out of the MSM, like you do. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:02, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

See, your arguments make no sense. You pay no attention to facts and critical thinking, and are swayed by emotion and MSM BS. So when the MSM goes against your boy, what difference does it make? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:07, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

See, my arguments refute yours, and make complete sense. You claimed some Nazi Anti-Semites may be supporting De Santis. I showed even if they support him, he doesn't support them, and condemned Anti-Semitism in a strong bill. Leave aside whether they were actual Nazis or Dem plants. As for the leftist media, the media is AGAINST De Santis now, if you haven't realized, especially after he's started doing so well in the polls. We are fighting against the leftist media, and leftists everywhere, yet we will persevere, work hard, and win by God's Grace. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 00:14, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

That does not matter, what you or I think. What matters is what MSM reports (basically, DNC talking points) which gullible people like yourself swallow wholesale and cannot be reasoned with. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:31, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Right back at you. You swallow DNC propaganda against De Santis and then blame me for pointing it out. Not going to keep debating with you, but simply preach the Truth and move on. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 00:34, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Not really. If you've actually been following, I've been silent on DeSantis and pretty much the upcoming primaries. Trump I only cite in relation to the Biden DOJ's abuses. Confidentially, I'm appalled at the anti-DeSantis and anti-Trump accusations being hurled back and forth 7 months before voting even starts.

The focus right now should be on educating the public about Ukrainian Nazism and the Kyiv puppet regime. It's far too early for electioneering when people are ignorant about the facts of what is happening in the world right now. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:53, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Your "focus" can be on that. Since I obviously don't agree with you, my "focus" will be on different things, like Russian Neo-Stalinism.

As for it being too early, I don't agree with that either. Christian Conservatives should demand, at minimum, 6 week pro-life protections, especially because 55% would be ok with that (see below). Trump has refused to commit to that. Too bad. Christians/Conservatives then need to unite behind another Candidate, and De Santis obviously stands out. Trump calling himself "the Father of the Vaccine" and other issues also matter. You have freedom of speech to believe and say what you want. I have equal freedom to post other things I think are important.NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 02:13, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

You are deceived. "Neo-Stalinism" is Nazi propaganda you bit off wholesale. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:16, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

You are going to look awfully foolish if come the fall of 2024 Trump is running against Biden's support for Nazism. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:23, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

• Ukraine's 2016 Election Meddling Are Matters of Fact (yet you support the fascist regime).

• See also [12]

RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:38, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

I care about saving lives and helping people. I'm not concerned about what you or anyone else thinks. Only what God thinks.

I'd rather fight a good fight and not win then do nothing and just complain about LGBT, as you do. De Santis will stop that. 02:39, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Your Ukraine Nazi buddies murdered 14,000 people before Putin's special military operation intervened; Christians are concerned about truth, yet you don't want to hear it. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:48, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

The Kremlin has lied so often its lies are not credible anymore. They claimed they wanted to save "Russian speakers", then burnt Mariupul, predominantly Russian speaking, to the ground. The Kremlin has caused over 10 MN to suffer: "Since then, more than 8 million Ukrainians have registered as refugees in Europe and another 5.3 million have become internally displaced, according to the U.N. refugee agency. But these statistics reflect only a small part of the struggle civilians are going through." https://www.npr.org/sections/pictureshow/2023/04/20/1160074401/ukraine-russia-war-refugees-displaced-people You refuse to see the Kremlin is on the evil side in this fight, and Ukrainian Self-Defense is 100% Justified. Gonna shake the dust off my feet after this response to you on this subject, as you don't have the ears to hear the Truth. "He who hath ears, let him hear". NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 02:51, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

LOL, NPR.

Here's the facts: Russia did not interfere in the 2016 elections - Ukraine did, and blamed Russia. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:53, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

See for yourself: the Greenie weenies, the German war party backing Ukraine, "God is queer". I hope your comfortable with your neo-nazi allies. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 05:02, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

De Santis Allies set up a school to train a $100 Million door knocking Army

Things looking better and better than ever for De Santis. I predict he will both beat the Donald (Duck) and go on to beat Biden. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/06/16/desantis-door-knocking-super-pac/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 01:33, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

I saw that someone posted on the news page that African leaders complained America under Biden was promoting LGBT. Yes, it's a problem, but De Santis is the only one who can stop it. Btw, that's not a reason to support Commie China. Commie China was responsible for Covid through callous negligence and Africa is one of the Continents that suffered most because of Covid. Someone should tell the leaders that. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 01:33, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, so now China is responsible for covid and not Fauci or the NIH; next you're going to tell us Russia blew up the Nordstream pipeline; destroyed the Kakhova dam, shelled itself at the Zaporozhe nuclear power plant, and committed the Bucha massacre. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:43, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Hey, guys. Long time no talk. I took a sabbatical back in February for personal reasons, but I've been frequently visiting and observing since then.

I'm now breaking my sabbatical to thank RobSmith for being the first admin (that I know of) to openly admit what I'd been saying all along: that America, not China, is responsible for COVID. I'd personally go further and accuse the CIA of being behind the Wuhan lab leak and framing CCP in order to create a justification for a future Sino-American war, but that's technically a seperate issue for debate.--Geopolitician (talk) 14:18, June 20, 2023 (EDT)

Welcomer back, sincerely. Let me humbly also confess, your points on the The Grand Chessboard were prophetic at the time. And your discussions of NATO terrorism and Mike Pompeo have also given me cause to pause and think in the intervening months, as well. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:27, June 20, 2023 (EDT)

Where did Covid come from? Where is Wuhan located? Why did the Chinese Communist Party lie about it? China lied, People died, and the world bled. Yes, Fauci is also responsible, for his dictatorial Covid policies which De Santis courageously opposes, while Trump calls himself "Father of the Vaccine" and supported Fauci. I choose Freedom over Faucism, I choose De Santis over Trump, I choose Democracy over Communism.NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 02:03, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

From your link: "Nearly 1 million Americans have died.[6]

Dr. Robert Redfield, former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), told CNN that he believes the virus escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) lab in China. “I do not believe this somehow came from a bat to a human.”[7]"

Who is responsible for those 1 MN American deaths, plus millions of others around the world? The CCP. Own it.

"Why does this matter? Because for years, the mainstream media dismissed the lab leak as a conspiracy theory, and as a result, the Chinese Communist Party and the Wuhan Institute of Virology were allowed to deny, deny, deny, while the virus ravaged the entire globe and killed millions of people ...

That is why I introduced the resolution to force the communist China to accept responsibility for its gross deception and mishandling of the coronavirus outbreak. If the Administration won’t stand up for the American people, the People’s House must.

Moreover, the United States’ response to the pandemic has cost trillions of dollars. China shouldn’t just be made to take responsibility for the pandemic, the CCP should pay for it. My bill would empower the U.S. to withhold payments on debt owed to China equal to the amount spent on pandemic response.

China lied, and people died. It’s time that China faces the consequences." https://mast.house.gov/china-debt NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 02:05, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

You are simply brainwashed to accept American xenophobic propaganda about any nation or people anywhere in the world. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:21, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Thank you RobSmith for admitting another thing I'd been saying all along: That much of what we hear in the news about China is neocon propaganda designed into conditioning us into supporting Brzezinski's xenophobic and genocidal "Eurasian Balkans" project.--Geopolitician (talk) 14:18, June 20, 2023 (EDT)

That's Commie Propaganda, that opposing Commie Dictators/Terrorists like Mao or Xi is "xenophobic". I stand with the good Chinese people suffering under Communism and like Pope St. John Paul II, Ronald Raegan, Lech Walesa and others, want to liberate them from Communism.

"Can you name the greatest mass murderer of the 20th century? No, it wasn’t Hitler or Stalin. It was Mao Zedong.

According to the authoritative “Black Book of Communism,” an estimated 65 million Chinese died as a result of Mao’s repeated, merciless attempts to create a new “socialist” China. Anyone who got in his way was done away with—by execution, imprisonment or forced famine.

For Mao, the No. 1 enemy was the intellectual. The so-called Great Helmsman reveled in his blood-letting, boasting, “What’s so unusual about Emperor Shih Huang of the China Dynasty? He had buried alive 460 scholars only, but we have buried alive 46,000 scholars.” Mao was referring to a major “accomplishment” of the Great Cultural Revolution, which from 1966-1976 transformed China into a great House of Fear." https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/the-legacy-mao-zedong-mass-murder Communism is responsible for 100 MN+ Deaths. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 02:48, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Sorry, but you're in bed with totalitarian fascists who have destroyed American democracy. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 03:30, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Simple Projection on your part. I stand with De Santis, and De Santis will help take down those Covidian and Totalitarian Fascists you're in bed with. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 04:17, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Where did DeSantis get $100 million from? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:18, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Trump we know is his own man. He spends his own money. He can't be bought. DeSantis Megadonor, Billionaire Head of Citadel Investments Ken Griffin, Explains Why He Purchased Ron DeSantis for 2024 and What He Expects from His Investment. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:27, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

• Here’s Why the Big Club and People Managing Ron DeSantis Hate Donald Trump

• As Expected Twitter Begins Limiting Reach of Content Critical of Ron DeSantis

• Donald Trump’s America First -vs- Ron DeSantis and the Multinationals

• DeSantis 101

• Video – Governor Ron DeSantis Advocates for Politicians to Be Owned by Billionaires, Laments Campaign Finance Limits

• REMINDER: The Core Battle Begins Within the Republican Party

• Ron DeSantis Wins the Coveted George Soros Endorsement – Describing DeSantis as “Shrewd, Ruthless and Ambitious”…

• Details Surface of How Ron DeSantis Is Using a Registered Foreign Agent to Assemble His Online Influence Campaign

• Big Picture DeSantis Corporate Club Plan and Some Site Note Reminders

• Returning to Neocon Roots – DeSantis Backtracks on His Tucker Carlson Ukraine Position as Territorial Dispute, Now Says “I think it’s been mischaracterized,” and “Putin is a war criminal”

RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:56, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, I got ahead of myself. In response to the "$100 million door knocking campaign", we have these two reports from months ago:

• Team DeSantis Focused on Creating Astroturf Attendance for 2024 Campaign Rallies
• Team DeSantis Expand Astroturf Operations – Hire Team Cruz and Team Youngkin, Immediately Begin Fake Push Polls

A bought-and-paid for mob by globalists and multinational corporate donors is not really a grassroots operation. It's more akin to a Soros Foundation/NED color revolution. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:27, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

The technical terms are Hertz-Rent-A-Mob or Astroturf. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:31, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Trump sided with Disney in its efforts to corrupt kids with the LGBT Agenda against De Santis. That should tell you all you need to know about whose cause is righteous and whose is wicked, but unfortunately you don't have eyes to see. I suggest you stop cussing/swearing so much and praying much more. Pray and read the Word for at least 1-2 hours a day, and more on weekends. Ask God to give you Wisdom and guide you. Trump also criticized De Santis on his 6 Week Abortion Heart Beat Bill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qecgxM-ErcU Trump did some ok things last time around, but his time has passed, and his recent stances are very problematic, including supporting Disney. De Santis will never bow to Child Genital Mutilation supporting Disney, no matter how many 100s of Millions of Dollars anyone throws at him, or the Woke Mob, and he has a large number of supporters, including wealthy ones. They have perfect right to support their Conservative Candidate.NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 09:41, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Why should I believe you about Trump and Disney? I don't know, I didn't follow whatever it is your talking about, and you have a habit of using the same sources of information that lied about Donald Trump for the past 8 years. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:32, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

My apologies, but I have more pressing issues with moral considerations and consequences than Mickey Mouse and Disney. Somebody's gotta do it, because you sure aren't doing it. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:34, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

A 20 second Google Search would have shown you, certainly less than the time it took you to give those 10 or so links above: "Gov. Ron DeSantis said by attacking him over his campaign against Disney, former President Donald Trump is "taking the side" of a multinational corporation sexualizing children.

"When he’s taking Disney’s side against me, I just kind of wonder. OK, I get that he wants to hit me, but don’t take the side of a multinational corporation that wants to sexualize kids," DeSantis said" NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 11:49, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Ooooh, now I understand. Trump and others criticized the DeSantis Admin mishandling of the lawsuit with Disney. That is not the same as "Trump sided with Disney." Man, you are never going to make it as a bona fide propagandist if you keep getting hoodwinked by BS. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:02, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

This evidently is what you are talking about: Team DeSantis Say They Have Been Hoodwinked by Disney Inc. as Orlando Board Changed Covenants Before New Officials Appointed:

"Days before the five DeSantis appointees showed up to take control of Walt Disney World zoning board in Orange County, the former board held a public hearing to codify pre-existing rules and covenants extending for “21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England living as of the date of the declaration.” Essentially, the new board is moot, except for deciding on roadways and bridges.

As a result, a long and protracted legal battle is now anticipated, which will likely cost Florida taxpayers millions in lawyer fees as the appointees of the board try and challenge the construct put into place prior to their arrival."

So apparently we caught you in a red-handed lie. Some might call it an "exaggeration." But now I have cause to doubt if you really care at all about victims of the LGBT agenda and genital mutilation. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:20, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Nope, I spoke the Truth. Read this: "Florida's two most powerful Republican presidential hopefuls sparred on Memorial Day over Walt Disney World. Speaking on Fox & Friends show Monday morning, Gov. Ron DeSantis took former President Donald Trump to task for "taking the side of Disney in our fight down here in Florida." https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/politics/2023/05/30/memorial-day-sparring-between-desantis-trump-on-woke-disney/70267192007/ De Santis is the only one who has the Courage of Conviction to take on Woke Mob and Win. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 13:48, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

You have no evidence that Trump ever "sided with Disney." Period. I wouldn't call you a malicious liar, but rather naive with poor judgement and reading comprehension skills. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:49, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

De Santis calls out the blasphemies and LGBT promotion of the Anti-Catholic hate group, the Dodgers

Trump nowhere to be found in combating LGBT. Surprise, surprise. Just complaining American establishments, including the American military, sadly, under both Biden and Trump, promoted and promotes the LGBT Agenda, solves nothing. De Santis can fight it and win. The solution is Good Conservatives like him, not WokeSymps like Trump.

"Good on the thousands who showed up at Dodger Stadium to protest this anti-Catholic hate group.

The virtually empty stadium for the game itself was a powerful image – Americans are fed up with the nonsense and are fighting back."

https://twitter.com/RonDeSantis/status/1670140388684840961

“We’re hoping that the Dodgers will see the amount of Catholics and Christians showing up here today peacefully,” protestor Anthony Rodriguez told KTLA outside of the stadium. “We’re showing that we’re not budging. We’ve drawn a line in the sand and we’re putting our faith first.” https://nypost.com/2023/06/16/dodgers-sisters-of-perpetual-indulgence-event-draws-thousands-of-protesters/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 08:07, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

For the Dodger's game in question, the Dodgers recorded an attendance of 49,074, slightly higher than its league-leading average of 47,800.[13] But the attendance for the pre-game anti-Catholic group that was pro-LGBTQ was a pretty empty stadium.[14] Conservative (talk) 08:44, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Overtime, the pro-gay and pro-abortion blue states will lose electoral college votes relative to various red states because they are having a lower level of births plus many people are leaving their states to move to red states. Conservative (talk) 08:50, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Right now, the political betting websites say DeSantis has a 23% chance of winning the GOP primary while Trump has a 63.4% chance of winning the GOP primary.[15] And the website that compiles these statistics has a pretty good batting average in terms of their forecasts being right.[16] Conservative (talk) 08:55, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Nice Info, Cons. Thank you. Good to know. God Bless. Of course, I expect that 23% will increase in time as De Santis campaigns more. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 09:50, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

There's a major contradiction here: both you guys supposedly oppose the spreading of the LGBT movement, yet both you guys firmly support spreading it to Ukraine. Some might call that hypocrisy. I just call it being misinformed and misguided. Until you reconcile that difference between foreign and domestic policy, you both will be just spinning your wheels, unable to build a coalition to move forward. These posts are just flatulence. RobS^{Give Peace a chance}

Spreading the LGBT movement to Ukraine? It's already in Ukraine. Anyways, I hope a Republican wins in the 2024 presidential election and a frozen conflict or armistice is worked out and US military funding to Ukraine is cut out or at least cut down. But if the war drags on for years, I would not be surprised. Conservative (talk) 13:59, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

How did the LGBT movement get in Ukraine? Oh, that's right. With money from the Soros Open Society Foundation that Soros received from the US Agency for International Development, according to the CIA's color revolution playbook. I forgot. But never mind; interfering in another country' domestic affairs is illegal under international law, just as invading another country is supposedly illegal, as well. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:48, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Ukraine gained its independence in 1991. I suspect its Western drift likely grew after the fall of the Soviet Union and further accelerated after its independence.

I hope this clarifies things for you. Conservative (talk) 22:16, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Ukraine's Western drift was well underway when Ukrainian nationalists (whom the record will show in MPR/talk Archives that you praised as heroes a year ago) when they allied with Hitler to slaughter Jews, Russians, and Poles. When Galicia was part of the Polish, Austrian, and German Empires long before is when "Ukraine" (a misnomer) drifted to the West began. It never gave up its language, alphabet, or allegiance to the Orthodox Church. It never bent the knee to the Pope, or became Romanized under Polish hegemony; it never embraced Northen German Protestantism under the Prussian state, and never embraced Austrian Catholicism, either.) Under Clinton and the neocons however, it did begin embracing gay rights and atheism, and under Obama, with the help of the CIA, it saw a resurgence of its Russophobic Nazi past. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:04, June 20, 2023 (EDT)

De Santis channels Churchill: we will fight [the Woke] in education, in the halls of Congress

"DeSantis: As president, I'll recognize that the woke mind virus represents a war on the truth so we will wage a war on the woke. We will fight the woke in education, we will fight the woke in corporations, we will fight the woke in the halls of congress, we will never ever surrender to the woke mob ... we will leave Woke Ideology on the Dustbin of History" https://twitter.com/i/status/1665086349483835392

Churchill had said of the Nazis: "I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once more able to defend our island home, to ride out the storm of war, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone. At any rate, that is what we are going to try to do. That is the resolve of His Majesty's Government – every man of them. That is the will of Parliament and the nation. The British Empire and the French Republic, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the death their native soil, aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength.

Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender." This is what Good Leaders do. Churchill did, De Santis is doing it in Florida, and will do it across America if he is elected. And not only in America, America has more influence on NATO than any other single country. The ideology that dominates America will dominate NATO too. That's why it's so deadly if Woke Ideology dominates America but so incredibly positive for us Conservative Christians if Conservative Christian ideology is dominant, as De Santis will do. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 02:19, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Interesting Churchill quote. Too bad you don't understand it. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:51, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

"The British Empire and the French Republic, linked together in their cause". Here's a clue: As late as 2012 when the Syrian regime change operation was under way, Wikipedia literally still reported "Syria won its independence in 1941 from France when France liberated Syria from France." RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:50, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

But answering that question gets into the weeds a little bit, and how propaganda from World War II, that were lies then are lies today. Look at this fact: both the British Empire and Third French Republic were destroyed in WWII, relegated to the ash heap of history, never to arise again. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:02, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

This is from some time ago, but quite amazing. It shows that Heartbeat Bills are still fairly popular and certainly not damaging or devastating to conservatives or anything like that. De Santis signed one in Florida. Christians and Conservatives should work together with non-Christians and liberals to form a Compassionate Conservative Consensus (ideally 6 weeks or better) on Abortion, focused on (1) saving as many Babies' Lives as possible (2) helping as many Women/Mothers as possible. I would love if they commit to 6 weeks.

The below shows that, contrary to political correctness and conventional wisdom, it need not even be politically damaging to do so.

"More than half of registered voters believe that laws banning abortion after the sixth week of pregnancy are not too restrictive, according to a new Hill-HarrisX survey.

The May 10-11 poll found that 21 percent of registered voters said that such abortion bans are “too lenient” while 34 percent said they believe they are “just right.”

Forty-five percent of respondents said they believe the laws are “too restrictive.”

Proponents of abortion rights have mounted legal challenges to new regulations passed by a number of states, but the Hill-Harris poll shows that in the court of public opinion, the laws do not currently appear to have sparked majority opposition."

From: https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/443879-poll-majority-of-voters-think-6-week-abortion-bans-arent-too/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 00:33, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

"The answers that Trump gave on abortion have roiled some members of the conservative Christian community.

Bob Vander Plaats, president and CEO of the Iowa-based Family Leader organization, tweeted out on Monday that the Iowa caucuses were “wide open” in the aftermath of Trump’s comments that the six-week ban may be too harsh. Vander Plaats recently traveled to Florida to meet with DeSantis and his wife, Casey DeSantis.

John Stemberger, who is president of the Florida Family Policy Council and a long-time anti-abortion advocate in the state, added on Twitter that “I can tell you that I personally know every major leader in the pro-life movement in the country and not a single one of them would agree with this statement.” https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/16/desantis-trump-florida-six-week-abortion-ban-00097154 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 00:55, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

This is from some time ago, but illuminating as to what's going on:

"I do not deny that globalists try to influence Ukrainian politics in various ways. But Russia is doing the same. Russian expansion politics are not better then American globalism for us. Russian media spread disinformation about life in Ukraine, in their country, and all around the world.

This war really started in 2014 and it was started by Russia, which occupied Crimea, then provoked separatist actions in Donetsk and Luhansk regions and supported them by the Russian army. There is not any justification of Russian military intervention in our country. If they wanted to prevent any danger from U.S. or NATO, why did they attack Ukraine instead of Alaska, for example?

The Russian-Ukrainian confrontation did not start in 2014. We have a very long history of conflicts for centuries. Let us remember for example the act of genocide of our people in 1932-1933, when millions of Ukrainians died in the artificial famine.

The Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church also underwent several stages of liquidation and bloody persecution by the Russian Empire and the communist regime. The last of them lasted in western Ukraine from 1946 to 1989, when our Church existed in deep underground conditions.

There are many more such manifestations of Russian chauvinism. Russia brutally declares that it has a historical right to Ukrainian lands; its propaganda often sound theses that Ukrainians and Russians are one people, that the Ukrainian language is a dialect of Russian, etc.

Why does Archbishop Vigano not mention about Putin’s declaration in Munich 2008, that he considers the collapse of the Soviet Union the greatest world’s catastrophe of the 20th century? That declaration means he wants to restore the Soviet Union, to take Ukraine again under control of Russia.

I just want to show here the deep reason of Russian aggression towards Ukraine. Nobody may say that it is only confrontation between Russia and the globalist West, and Ukraine is just a battlefield.

The greatest insult to our people is the accusation of spreading Nazism. I will not refute here the Russian accusations repeated by Archbishop Viganо because it is not possible to do so within the framework of this interview. But the facts of this war show that it was Russian troops who acted like Nazis.

After the liberation from Russian occupancy of such cities as Bucha, Irpin, and Gostomel, hundreds of corpses of civilians were found there with traces of torture, the bodies of raped and killed women who they tried to burn.

On several occasions, the Russians did not allow humanitarian missions to enter Mariupol or other occupied cities to deliver food or evacuate civilians. This army, which came "to save the Russian-speaking population," almost wiped out Mariupol, a city of more than four hundred thousand people, mostly Russian-speaking.

Thanks again for your request.

Let God bless you!" https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/interview-priest-society-saint-josaphat-war-ukraine-73867 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 02:53, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

This page is for MPR content, not specious claims in support of globalist propaganda. If you can't find the appropriate article page to post this kind of spam, try the Conservapedia:Community Portal. Thank you. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 03:03, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Reasonably and amicably debating over the subject matter(s) covered on MPR appears appropriate to me. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Monday, 13:59, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

We've knocked down every single item listed in this letter on this talk page several times already, like Putin "considers the collapse of the Soviet Union the greatest world’s catastrophe of the 20th century" which refers to the fact that ethnic Russians are denied citizenship and voting rights in the "democratic" Baltic States, or that Russians were denied pensions in Ukraine, etc. etc. This quote is like Trump saying "very fine people", repeatedly used out of context. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:20, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Alright then, I have no objections if you are inclined to place collapse templates on NishantXavier's quote spamming for the purpose of efficiently saving space here. —LT ^{Smash Ukrofascism!} Monday, 15:30, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

I don't want to censor or squash debate at all; these discussions belong on the appropriate page in its appropriate place. Like User: Cons, it just gets tiring debunking the same lies over and over again with people willingly brainwashed by MSM Nazi propaganda who refuse to listen or apply critical thinking skills. They just haven't figured out that repeating the same lie 100 times won't make it anymore true now or 100 years from now. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:35, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

It was posted to document certain facts like the destruction of Mariupol, a town of 400,000 people, predominantly Russian speaking, which refutes the Russian lie that they want to "save Russian speakers". It's also from an Eastern Catholic Ukrainian Priest on the ground, so no one can say it is western propaganda from people far away. But ok. I will post smaller excerpts going forward, containing directly the relevant points. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 03:49, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Well, it's all BS that has been picked apart many times, Mariupol is being rebuilt, the residents there are Russian, and they are grateful for Russian liberation after 8 years of Azov Nazi terrorism. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 04:19, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Residents of Mariupol tell their stories of Ukrainian war crimes and murder in the immediate aftermath of the battle. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:59, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Okay, this video by Dougan you linked is quite eye-opening; so the recipients testify that the Russian Army provides aid to the city's residents while Ukrainians not only refuse to help, but shoot at them. And even liberal NBC reported on this, so it seems. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Monday, 13:55, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

The video earned Dougan a place on the Nazi kill list, which is why other reporters don't report the same thing. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:12, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

I see... alright then, you're so far doing well in convincing me that the Ukronazi threat justifies Putinism. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Monday, 15:15, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Like my new sig? —LT ^{Smash Ukrofascism!} Monday, 15:28, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Yah, looks good. And let me thank you for having the courage to take a moral stand publicly. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:31, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

I intend to stand for what's morally right even when it's not popular. —LT ^{Smash Ukrofascism!} Monday, 15:35, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Nobody's asking you to be a "Putin shill" or "Pro-Putin"; just focus on the truth of the Maidan regime and the lies of NATO. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:41, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Fair enough; just so you know, I still disagree with your general assessment that all Putin criticism is "Nazi propaganda," though I concur on the need to expose the evils of globalist Ukronazism. Say, we should be the first to start an official "Smash Ukrofascism" campaign. After all, where's Antifa when you actually need them? —LT ^{Smash Ukrofascism!} Monday, 15:44, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Antifa's aligned with LGBT and the child mutilation movement, per latest reports. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:50, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Note: "Nazi propaganda" is used in the same context that "Putin propaganda" is used, fighting fire with fire.

To apply Nishant's own stated logic, anti-"Neo-Stalinists" therefore must be "Neo-Nazis". RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:04, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Antifa supports child mutilation? What a surprise; those fascist goons clearly have no end to their depravity. The militant wing of the Democratic Party never removed the hood and merely replaced it with a new one, still going about on its business assaulting civilians and inciting murder.

Okay, I see your point now about fighting fire with fire. —LT ^{Smash Ukrofascism!} Monday, 16:08, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

As I've said many times, Trump-Russia and the Ukraine war are inextricably linked. Eric Ciaramella, the whistleblower in Trump's first impeachment, is back. He's also the same guy who told Ukrainian officials in January 2016 to lay off investigating Hunter Biden and instructed them to open an investigation on Paul Manafort. Ukraine passed bogus allegations of "Russia collusion" to Ali Chalupa of the DNC, who passed it to Comey's FBI, and later Robert Mueller (the allegations were baseless, and Mueller actually nailed Manafort on tax charges from 2006).

The neo-fascist rag The Economist reports: [17]

Democrat operative Alexandra Chalupa (left) Deep State informant Eric Ciaramella (right).[2]

So after these war criminals got 350,000 Ukrainians killed for nothing, they're looking for a face-saving way to bail. The problem is, Russia won't agree to any of it, and the US-backed Kyiv regime won't survive.

RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 04:17, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Note: "the 1994 Budapest memorandum, in return for its agreeing to the removal of Soviet-era nuclear weapons from its soil" is correct, verses the last propaganda BS Nishant posted, "Ukraine give up its nuclear arsenal". That's why "reading comprehension" is graded differently from simply having the ability to read. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 04:25, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

One further note: the Budapest memorandum "proved hollow" means the US violated the agreement by not holding up its end of the bargain. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 06:12, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

[18] RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:24, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Support for NATO war in Ukraine declines from 62% to 42% in democratic Poland, per Ukraine propaganda source. [19] Poles cite Ukrainians' communist attitude ("everything should be free"). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:06, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Wow, so the Ukronazis are Communists after all! This demonstrates how stupid it is to take the Comsymping attitude towards Putin-shilling, seeing Communists as allies against fascism when the very Ukronazi base are of a deluded ☭Communist☭ mentality. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Monday, 15:11, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Democracy in action. [20] RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:15, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Whew, the Poles and Canadians are rejecting Ukrocommunazism. If only the U.S. were as sane. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Monday, 15:20, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

The problem is NATO countries are not "democratic"; they are run by globalist warmongers with a controlled media. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:29, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Ah, peak socialistic fascism. Most world chaos are battles between various socialist regimes vying for ultimate power; the Obama war crimes in Libya, for instance, were an expression of globalist desire for a one-party totalitarian iron fist with no competition from rivaling Arab/African socialists. Left-wing anti-establishment types confuse the globalist order as "capitalist" and "reactionary."—LT ^{Smash Ukrofascism!} Monday, 15:34, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Look at the thread above: Ciaramella, who looks like a kid on a skateboard, is now an international expert at the Carnegie Endowment for Peace. This is the same guy who started the lie that Putin ordered Trump to fire Comey. How much credibility does he (or The Economist) have?RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:44, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Hold up, wasn't the Carnegie Endowment among the foundations investigated by the Reece Committee? I need to rewatch the Norman Dodd interview by G. Edward Griffin and do some more digging later. —LT ^{Smash Ukrofascism!} Monday, 15:47, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

It has an interesting history; when suspicion fell on Alger Hiss after 1945, he was railroaded out of government, but insisted on his innocence (along with the liberal media) and was made head of the Endowment. The Dullas brothers factor into the that scandal somewhere, too. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:53, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

The Dulles brothers were Nazi collaborators, BTW. —LT ^{Smash Ukrofascism!} Monday, 16:02, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Well, yes and no. It definitely needs examination and context. And the question is directly related to the Gehlen Organization's collaboration with the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists.

It's a huge question impossible to thumbnail in a few sentences. For example, the Gehlen Organization became the modern German BND (intelligence agency), out which was organized the West German democratic state. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:13, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

From what I'm reading, John Foster Dulles was a flat-out lifelong Nazi sympathizer. Allen Dulles, a depraved psychopath, had Nazi connections during his OSS years and his later firing in the wake of the Bay of Pigs invasion sparked the origins of the JFK assassination.

It's not surprising that liberal elitists like the Dulles brothers were evidently pro-Nazi; they were influenced by the ideas of the Progressive Movement and its elitist principles like eugenics. Ever since Reconstruction, Northeastern classical liberal reformist elites turned towards a racist, cyncical direction which eventually drifted into illiberal statism. —LT ^{Smash Ukrofascism!} Monday, 16:18, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

These are questions I'm deeply involved with right now. It is very very important to pay attention to sources used before making a generalization like, "flat-out lifelong Nazi sympathizer" (those generally come from Kremlin directed communist sources during the Cold War). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:30, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Let's look at two parallel examples momentarily:

(a) the CIA whacked JFK and blamed Russia;

(b) the CIA interfered in the 2016 election and blamed Russia.

Deja vu. Now how much of this history does Vladimir Putin understand? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:35, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Let's clarify and carry the example a step further:

(a) the CIA ended the Kennedy presidency in order to set up a proxy war with the Soviet Union in Vietnam;

(b) the CIA tied the Trump presidency in knots with investigations, limiting its effectiveness in order to set up a proxy war with the Russian Federation in Ukraine.

Both examples redounded to the benefit of shareholders of the military industrial complex. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:48, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

In short, it has long been a non-governmental (in today's parlance NGO) deep state institution. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:58, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

In this photo, Blinken meets with MBS in Saudi Arabia. The absence of the American flag signifies that this meeting was held outside any official prearranged or scheduled meeting. It was held at the personal request of Blinken on short notice to Saudi Arabia, which the Saudis acquiesced to without any formal understanding or prearranged agenda about the purpose of the meeting.

The meeting was probably requested to ask for a favor or deliver a threat. In either case, Saudi Arabia does not recognize the request or threat as coming from the United States government, but rather from Blinken personally or the people he purports to represent. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:59, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Blinken had to allow the photograph cause his every move is followed by a contingent of the Washington Press Corps, unlike the CIA chief, who can sneak off for a secret meeting anywhere in the world at anytime, which may or may not ever become public knowledge. Additionally, for those who like to get into the weeds, the fact this message or threat was delivered by Blinken signifies a (potential) rift between the CIA and State Department on policy matters (which shows the smart thinking and justification of Saudi Arabia in not recognizing the meeting in an official capacity. Basically, Saudi Arabia is saying to the Biden White House and Blinken State Department, "Hey, you guys might not be around 2 years from now, so we'll listen to your BS and think about it.")

Additionally, the meeting may have been requested simply to request a series of future meetings between various contacts on both sides - outside regular US government and State Department channels. The Washington Press Corps that covers all this backstairs global politicking never or seldom bothers to explain any of that to you. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:44, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

When celebrating a Prayer Breakfast around Feb 24, 2023, the 1 year Anniversary of the War, Prez. Zelensky said he hoped to celebrate one on Feb 24, 2024 again this time commemorating the Victory in the War. There is a significant possibility the War will end within a year.

See the Gains in the Counter-Offensive, 2 of which (Blahodatne and Neskuchne) are admitted by the Kremlin's supporters themselves:

"In the first reported gains of its much-anticipated counteroffensive, Kyiv says its forces have reclaimed territory from Russia.

Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Maliar on Monday posted a message on Telegram saying that Ukraine's flag was again flying over the village of Storozheve.

Unverified videos showed troops hoisting the Ukrainian flag in the village of Blahodatne in the Donetsk region and their unit's flag in the adjacent village of Neskuchne.

Ukraine also said its troops had made advances in Makarivka, but some prominent Russian military bloggers suggested that while Ukrainian forces took Blahodatne and Neskuchne, the fight for Makarivka was going on." https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-updates-kyiv-claims-first-counteroffensive-gains/a-65886963 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 22:21, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Update: Prior to the start of the Russian special military operation in Ukraine Novodonetskoe was populated by just 327 people, Makarovka by 258, Blagodatnoe by 1097, Storojevoe by 96, Neskuchnoe by 644, Lokbovoe by 99 and Novodarovka had no more than 51 people living in it. Kiev forces paid a heavy price to capture these small villages. According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, around 10,000 have been killed or wounded since the start of the counteroffensive. Many of the casualties were trained by NATO in bases outside Ukraine.

RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:41, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

You're late. They've already been pushed back. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:41, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

$400 Russian drones taking out $5 million Bradley Fighting Vehicles. Like the idiots in the Pentagon didn't know this would or could happen years ago? or the idiots in Congress and the Biden regime didn't know this when they appropriatated $116 billion? It's scandalous (or at least it would be a scandal anywhere else in the world, including Russia. But not in the US). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:52, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

The above posting from Deutsche Welle is a case study in how Kyiv manipulates the time cycle in news reporting. 24-36 hours ago the Russians stepped back from forward positions in 3 villages with a population of about 175 people each. They still are about 30km north of the Surovikin Line, the first major defensive fortification (they basically are inviting NATO/Ukraine into the kill zone). The Ukies advanced. In that first 12 hour period, they took pictures of flag raising over these evacuated villages and released photos to international media like DW.

In the following 24 hours, fighting erupted in the kill zone where NATO/Ukraine was either annihilated, retreated, or taken prisoner. Meanwhile, Deutsche Welle goes to press declaring victory. The story is repeated worldwide by globalist media for the next 72 hours while the defeat is never reported. Wash. Rinse Repeat. Why I need to go into detail on this after the last 15 months is a mystery to me.

Now, Why does Ukraine need "published" victories? Cause at the upcoming July 11 NATO meeting, Zelensky and company have been strictly informed, they need captured territory for continued NATO aid. Additionally, the Russians aren't stupid - they read Western newspapers and media, as well. They understand the schedule and deadlines Zelensky faces if he wants to keep his job as NATO puppet dictator. So spare yourself the embarrassment before you get all excited about alleged Ukrainian victories. The fact the fake news media will report it as such come July 9, 10, 11, etc., is a foregone conclusion. But too many people now (including members of Congress and the press) see and understand the game being played. And come the first week of July, Russia will be ready to crush like a bug any effort to steal their headlines. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:31, June 13, 2023 (EDT)

Bottomline: Ukraine/Milley and the Pentagon have lost thousands of Ukrainian lives battling for five farmhouses in No Man's Land. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:47, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

New weapon introduced in Ukraine

Both sides have introduced, for the first time into combat, a new weapon. As of now it appears the Russian version is somewhat more advanced.

The new weapon is essentially a mine-laying rocket launcher that lays down mines behind an advancing force, so if or when they attempt to retreat, they enter a mine field that wasn't there when they advanced. In the Russian version, it's launched on a GRAD or Multiple Rocket Launching System (MLRS) with each rocket laying down 600 mines (the mines also have a self-destruct timer which then allows the defending force to advance later through the mine field.) As of this moment, the Russians being on the defensive, have the advantage in allowing the attacking force to enter into the kill zone, than locking them in so they can't retreat. NATO/Ukraine hasn't been able to get close enough to Russian lines to lay down their version, which wouldn't do much good anyway in a breakthrough cause they'd have to kill everyone, including reinforcements, at the breakthrough point rather than allow them to retreat. And then they'd have to wait (assuming NATO's version has a self-destruct timer) to advance. The Russian version also has an automated receptor that can be keyed to self destruct (in electronic warfare, you'd have to build a system that can hack into the radio frequency to get it to self-destruct so you can retreat; when that happens, all Russia needs to do is eliminate the radio receptor and go back soley to the timer). So the weapon really is more for a defensive posture than offensive. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:50, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

One more point: the purpose of probing attacks and an advance is to find a breakthrough point; when the breakthrough occurs on a line, the attacking force then funnels through hordes of reinforcements to reek havoc behind enemy lines. The new system lays down instantly a new minefield for reinforcements to traverse before reaching the breakthrough point, slowing the advance. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:11, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Not going to debate with you on this subject any longer, as you don't have ears to hear. Will post facts and relevant stats and leave it at that. Let the reader judge. Time will tell which side was right. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 07:43, June 13, 2023 (EDT)

You got that one right. I don't have ears to hear propaganda. Well, yes I have ears to hear and recognized it, but not a brain to absorb it and make it part of my being. Many years ago I asked the Lord for the gift of discernment (per 1 Cor 12) and he was true to his word in granting the gift. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:04, June 13, 2023 (EDT)

The Politics of World War II in Contemporary Ukraine, IVAN KATCHANOVSKI, University of Ottawa

This study examines the role of political factors in attitudes toward World War II in contemporary Ukraine. The research question is which factors determine public views of the principal warring sides and their leaders in Ukraine. The analysis of the 2012 Kyiv International Institute of Sociology survey shows that regional values, political party preferences, ethnicity, language, and age have significant effects on views of the Red Army and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) during the war and attitudes toward the wartime activities of Joseph Stalin and Roman Shukhevych.

Do some background reading before you run off half-cocked with Nazi talking points again. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:49, June 13, 2023 (EDT)

5 minute video report on the Russian "Agriculture" MLRS mine laying system that defeated half the NATO force that took NATO a full year to train and assemble in less than 1 week (and NATO's lame efforts to catch up on Russian technology and strategic planning). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:00, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

Now we understand more about US/NATO mine laying equipment - they use robots. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:53, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

Updates

• Multiple Ukrainian Tank Columns ANNIHILATED
• NAZI'S VOW TO KILL EVERYONE. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:23, June 13, 2023 (EDT)

From a psyop perspective, it would have been easier to respect Russian armed forces from the beginning, rather than to force them to earn that respect again, and teach a lesson for the next 80 years.

From a political perspective, as you can read anywhere, NATO has clearly stated that their objective, whatever the outcome, is to have negotiations after the end of summer. But think again momentarily, what if Russia isn't in the mood to negotiate? Do you honestly believe NATO and the West can dictate where and when to have negotiations? That's simply more disrespect. Are Western populations ready to make the same kind of privations their grandparents and great-grandparents endured in WWII, or that the Russian population is enduring now and has endured since 2014?

At some point, surviving Western Nazis and globalists, and their subservient serf populations, will have to humbly face the victors. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:41, June 13, 2023 (EDT)

• The Nazis vow to kill everyone means they will follow NATO's main attacking forces in Zaporozhe and send in an Einsatzgruppen of Azov types behind them to murder anyone who voted in the referendum to join Russia. The Kyiv regime vowed as much a year ago. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:54, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

• WOMAN DESCRIBES SECRET CHAT WHERE AFU ORDERED TO KILL ALL RUSSIAN 'COLLABORATORS' IN NEW TOWNS. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:12, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

• Ukrainian sniper sentenced to 23 years for murdering civilian in Mariupol in March 2022. Operation Denazification is proceeding as planned. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:13, June 13, 2023 (EDT)

• LPR INVESTIGATORS ARE FINDING MANY GRAVES OF WESTERN MERCENARIES - ONE AMERICAN FROM SAN FRANCISCO. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:21, June 13, 2023 (EDT)

• Ukrainian Nazis doused well known Ukrainian politician Taras Chornovol with urine and paint then dumped into dumpster. [21] These are just the low-level Nazi street thugs still undergoing brainwashing. They haven't graduated to full time employment in an official government unit of paid Nazi killers. They probably got his home address off the Myrotvorets kill list. Welcome to Zelensky's Ukraine, this outpost of European values and American democracy. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:37, June 13, 2023 (EDT)

• TEEN IS KNOCKED OUT AND KIDNAPPED FOR CANNONFODDER BY RUTHLESS UKRAINIAN COMMISSARS. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:16, June 13, 2023 (EDT)

• MEMORIAL TO SOLDIERS WHO DEFEATED HITLER AND NAZISM DEMOLISHED IN LVOV. (Basically, this could not be done without financial aid from you and US taxpayers, as the Kyiv regime is broke. It is you the US taxpayer baring 100% of the cost to employ Ukrainian government workers). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:18, June 13, 2023 (EDT)

• Axmat arrives in Belgorod to hunt NATO/LGBT forces. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:21, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

• Love the soundtrack from that video, it uses the same ostinato as the Star Wars music, borrowed from Gustav Holst's 'Mars, the god of war'. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:26, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

• RUSSIAN DEEPFAKE TROLLS WORLD LEADERS. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:29, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

• Update: Ukrainian Nazi General Budanov contacted via Ouija board from Bandera headquarters in hell. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:49, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

• Double-Headed Russian Eagle Coin From 1739 Is Found At Bottom of Kakhovka Reservoir. Ukrainians on social media are outraged and can't figure out why the coin from 1739 doesn't have the Ukrainian Trident symbol on it. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:00, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

• UKRAINIAN CONGA LINE OF DESTROYED ARMOR IS PULLED BACK TO THE CHOP SHOP. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:47, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

• Ukrainian Civilians Continue Rebelling Against Commissars Kidnapping Men From The Street. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:51, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

• MORE CANNONFODDER KIDNAPPED ON THE STREETS OF UKRAINE INTO NONDESCRIPT VAN. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:17, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

• Russia knows how to harness its Muslims. They don't pay ISIS proxies under the table like the US does. Do you think Milley and the idiots will take the bait and do an artillery strike on their headquarters from Ukraine? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:58, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

• HERE'S THE NEXT GENERATION OF U.S. MILITARY RECRUITS - SCARY STUFF. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:35, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

• 70 videos of the Ukraine turkey shoot of NATO equipment in the past 4 days; also Russians With Attitude run a pretty good 30 minute video expose in the background to accompany their voice over. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 04:05, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

• Only 3 of 120 Ukrainian attackers in an assault unit on Russian defenses survived. Why do Zelensky, Biden, and other nazi supporters continue to send soldiers into such meaningless slaughter? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:08, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

• Commissar hit in the face with a rock. How long does a rational person believe this society can endure the fascist Zelensky regime? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:48, June 20, 2023 (EDT)

• Antique T-72 knocks out a mighty Leopard with a barrel shot. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:57, June 20, 2023 (EDT)

• AMERICAN "MERCENARIES" (SPECIAL FORCES) OPERATING IN UKRAINE. Reminder: They are not protected by the Geneva Convention or any international rules of war. They are paid killers awaiting the fate of all paid killers. In Donbas in particular, the term "mercenary" probably has a ring to it below that of "pedophile." RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:02, June 20, 2023 (EDT)