Talk:Conservapedia

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I'm a bit confused about the following statement from the about conservapedia page- "When a student handed in her paper using the date-markers “BCE” and "CE” from Wikipedia, Schlafly realized that Wikipedia, despite its claim of neutrality, contained bias against the achievements of Christianity and conservatism."

I am not expressing any opinion whether or not Wikipedia contains bias in general. Conservapedia's bias page defines bias on encyclopedia as follows- "In works describing a potentially controversial topic, bias refers to the tendency of an author who holds a particular viewpoint to express that viewpoint (whether intentionally or subconsciously) in his work."

BCE and CE specifically can be understood to mean before Christian era and Christian era or before Common era and Common era. It is a current academic trend meant to avoid holding a particular viewpoint to express that viewpoint, ie- to avoid bias. The term is meant to specifically avoid suggesting any viewpoint regarding Christianity, Islam, Judaism, or any other religion. The above statement thus confuses me. By definition, a lack of bias will endeavor to not lean in any direction, and how that is interpreted as a bias against the achievements of Christianity perplexes me. In actuality, a claim for bias by the usage BCE and CE can be made more so for every other religions, as it signifies using the Christian dating of the calendar, revolving around Jesus' birth, and not any other calendar, such as the Muslim one (which revolves around Mohammed's Higra) or the Jewish one (which revolves around the creation of all of humanity in the Garden of Eden).

I would appreciate a clarification. Thank you.

Where are the claims of bias? The controversial aspects? Even Wikipedia says it has been controversial. --Gert3 09:07, 13 July 2010 (EDT)

Cannot edit?

When I view this page the "edit button" isn't there, is this a purposeful measure? I wanted to change ...Conservapedia originally contained mostly history articles, it has grown over two years to be a general reference... because if Conservapedia was launched in 2006 that would make it nearly 5 years old. MaxFletcher 22:07, 14 March 2011 (EDT)

I think that means the page has been 'protected'. Only some of the more senior users (administrators?) have access. You can ask for it to be temporarily unprotected, probably ask ASchlafly. CharlieJ 22:17, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
I think I have already bothered him enough today (I couldn't find the help index despite it being right in the menu!). Hopefully a senior user will see this. MaxFletcher 22:23, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
Hi Max, good catch! I made that change for you: I made it "grown over several years". If there were any other changes you wanted to make, let me know or I'll unlock the article for you. AddisonDM 13:07, 15 March 2011 (EDT)
Thanks Addison! MaxFletcher 15:27, 15 March 2011 (EDT)

Differences with Wikipedia Section

Under this section, it might be helpful to add a wiki link to this page: Conservapedia:How Conservapedia Differs from Wikipedia. One of the better differences, in my opinion, is that Conservapedia allows primary sources while Wikipedia does not. According to Wikipedia, if the liberal media has not mentioned it, then it must not exist. This is the same tactic liberals used when ClimateGate went public; they simply ignored the story and hoped it would disappear.

Secondary sources can be very helpful in explaining a more complex topic, but an encyclopedic approach would be to cite the primary and secondary sources, which Wikipedia does not allow. This means that Wikipedia is a source for less reliable, second-hand citations; unless a page is completely unrelated to politics of any kind, Wikipedia references mostly liberal opinions with a bias view discussing a primary source. Even then, Wikipedia's non-political pages still can't use primary research as a citation. In my opinion, primary sources are more encyclopedic than the opinions of HuffPo writers, MSNBC reporters and the vast liberal media machine. DerekE 21:32, 19 August 2011 (EDT)

Wow, that's a superb insight! I added the link as you suggested.--Andy Schlafly 21:55, 19 August 2011 (EDT)

Blocked user listed as influential

In the "influential users" list, "JacobB" is still listed even though that user was blocked for inserting false information. Was leaving this user on the list intended or an oversight? CWest 12:41, 8 June 2012 (EDT)


The following was mailed to me by SamHB. JudyJ 14:29, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

I take exception to the suggestion that user JacobB was "blocked for inserting false information". That is not true. Jacob was more knowledgeable about mathematics than everyone here, past or present, put together. He was caught up in some kind of internet password spoofing incident, and the "good guys vs. traitors" mindset kicked in. I believe he was allowed to come back briefly, but he quickly lost interest and moved on to other things. In his case, grad school in mathematics. He never inserted false information. You should show some respect, OK? If his user page showing as a redlink bothers you, why not just restore the page?

Another matter. While I had bitter fights with Terry Koeckritz, I was saddened to learn of his death. I think the existing entry does not show respect the way it should. The phrase "RIP" is used in many ways, from extremely solemn (Requiescat In Pacem) to downright silly and flippant (hanging an "RIP" sign on a computer.) Someone reading his entry wouldn't really know what was intended. They could even conclude that he was simply banned. I would suggest changing the line to something like

  • TK made many substantive contributions since coming to Conservapedia in 2007, and was known for his vigilance against vandals prior to his sudden passing in December, 2010.
I meant no disrespect. I was not the one that made the block; I only joined this site about a week ago. Personally, the red link does not bother me; I did notice it and checked the reason for the block, but I simply wanted to check with the sysops. Even if I did restore the page, it may be deleted again anyway. There has been another instance where I redid something a sysop had undone and I caught some heat for it. I do not wish for that to happen again. Also, as I did not mention anything to do with that second paragraph, I will leave that part alone without replying. CWest 09:40, 11 June 2012 (EDT)

Only for Americans?

I read people stating one forum that this site is only accessible to American IPs, with people from other countries complaining that they were not given access, though a Canadian said he did manage to get in. Is this true, or just propaganda? I'm moving to Israel, so I'd still like to be able to access this site.--Pubjabi20 17:57, 23 July 2012 (EDT)

Conservapedia is available worldwide, and you should be able to access this site without difficulty from outside the U.S. Only a small percentage of international, anonymous proxies are blocked. Thanks for your interest.--Andy Schlafly 18:03, 23 July 2012 (EDT)

JacobB

JacobB should be removed from the list of "Influential editors and users". He was a troll and has already been blocked.--JoeyJ 10:52, 10 July 2014 (EDT)

Alexa

Bad news - our Alexa rating went down 3,272 ranks from April to May, and now we're out of the Top 55,000. I can't tell if this is a decrease in traffic or just other websites increasing or not, but either way, our statistic is out of date. Also, pageviews, time on site, and search engine results are up.--Abcqwe (talk) 18:19, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

Page views & site time up? I guess we gotta concentrate on quality over quantity right now. RobSThe coup plotters won, for now 21:59, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

Books mentioning Conservapedia

These are all excerpts from books, found in Google Books, that mention Conservapedia:


While Wikiality is a humorous and entertaining concept, it does not relate to real world politics. Take, for example, Conservapedia, the online encyclopedia inaugurated by the son of arch-conservative Phyllis Schlafly as a "much-needed alternative to Wikipedia, which is increasingly Anti-Christian and Anti-American. Conservapedia seeks to offer conservative definitions of contested words and terms, from evolution and global warming to dinosaurs and kangaroos. Though such an endeavor, on its face, is patently absurd, the notion behind the site is quite powerful. These are the real truths, the site proclaims, and the ability now exists for conservatives and Christians to create their own public space where they need not endure the falsities propagated by the Anti-Christian and liberal establishment that have dominated public thought in their ability to define the world. Such a site is the culmination of years of effort to challenge the cultural hegemony of liberal media, government, and academics, and it does so by the establishment and control of language upon which reality is built. Whether effective or not, simply by its existence, the site actively contests the legitimacy of other such locations for the establishment of definitional truth, be it Wikipedia, Encyclopedia Britannica, Webster's, or some other. It challenges its users to question all such informational resources for their ideological biases before using them.[1]


Some maintain that Wikipedia's sources should be checked since they are user contributed and potentially biased, which is a good idea; however after they have passed a series of internal "tests" the article reliability grows, although even at this stage there may be a liberal bias. Enter Conservapedia.com (http://conservapedia.com/Conservapedia) featuring a conservative encyclopedia, which features excellent articles from my sampling, and I would recommend it over Wikipedia, though its article base isn't as large. (http://conservapedia.com/Main_Page). Just remember that initially posted articles at Wikipedia have not encountered any evaluation. There is often an editor's notation as to any concerns within an article, e.g., "This article does not cite any references or sources. Please help this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed."[2]


In comparison to Wikipedia, Conservapedia defines ... an impressive impact on public thinking and reaction as a cumulative result of collective knowledge.[3]

Do you think we should include these in some section about Conservapedia's being mentioned in other works, or a section about praise of CP?--Abcqwe (talk) 17:38, 6 May 2017 (EDT)

  1. Jones, Jeffrey P. Entertaining Politics: Satiric Television and Political Engagement. Rowman and Littlefield Publishers: Plymouth, 2010.
  2. Weldon, John. How to Survive the Coming Economic Meltdown. ATRI Publishing.
  3. Costigan, Sean S. and Jake Perry. Cyberspaces and Global Affairs. Routledge: New York, 2012.

Conservapedia only in English?

Is conservapedia only in English? If so, why? Should this website have multiple languages? Many wiki so have many languages especially Wikipedia. (User: Coolguy)

Yes, it is only in English. I (and probably most of the rest of us) don't think it should be in other languages because 1) most readers come from the U.S. or U.K., and the encyclopedia primarily focuses on U.S. and (to a lesser extent) EU politics, and 2) English is the international language. Many of our European editors and readers can understand English. Also, it might be difficult maintaining an encyclopedia with multiple languages when few editors of that language edit it. This is at least my take on your question. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:49, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

Prominence on search engines

This article says that Conservapedia enjoys prominence on search engines, but does not point out that Conservapedia does not have as high a Google search as does Wikipedia. Indeed, I think I first found out about Conservapedia through my reading of Wikipedia. Carltonio (talk) 14:03, 16 March 2019 (EDT)

It wouldn't hurt to clarify that--you're right, of course, WP holds a much higher page rank than, well, pretty much any other website in the world. (I think it is ranked the #3 website in the world, though I don't remember for sure). However, CP does have a relatively high ranking and it does sometimes show in the first page of search results, depending on the search engine and search terms. Our current google page rank is 5 out of 10. For example, if you search for "donald trump achievements" on a clean browser (no previous search history to add bias), you will currently find that our page on the topic (created mostly by 1990'sguy) is listed in the following positions:
  • Google: #5
  • Bing: #1
  • Yahoo: #2 (excluding the "news" section)
  • Ask: #6
  • DuckDuckGo/Yandex: #2
Also perhaps I should note that I originally stumbled upon CP by search engine. --DavidB4 (TALK) 14:20, 16 March 2019 (EDT)
I think Google has some CP articles blacklisted. Muellergate currently is #1 on Bing and #2 on Yahoo, but not even ranked on Google. Likewise, the Hillary Rodham Clinton was #16 on election 2016 eve, ahead of Hilary's own Facebook page and the first article offering any balanced criticism of Hillary after the first 15. But today I don't think it's even in the top 200. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 15:18, 16 March 2019 (EDT)
Very likely. It might not even be a manual process--they might have automated ways to detect objectionable pages. In any case, Google has be caught doing this to certain sites, so it is entirely possible. This is reason #67321 that I don't like, trust, or use Google. --DavidB4 (TALK) 15:57, 16 March 2019 (EDT)
"Donald Trump achievements" used to be #1 on Google (for a time in 2017), and then for a long while, it was #2. It's been slipping down recently. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:08, 16 March 2019 (EDT)
I thought it used to be higher. Oh well, it's still on the first page, which is itself an achievement! Chances are, they wouldn't bother to gradually depreciating that page, so I assume that are people are talking about his achievements, meaning that there are more pages for Google to pick from. If they really wanted the page gone, it would be. --DavidB4 (TALK) 16:41, 16 March 2019 (EDT)
If someone has a program that can show what sites link to a CP page, that would be helpful, cause that is a big factor in determining rankings, either up or down. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 16:53, 16 March 2019 (EDT)
IOWs, links from a conservative or pro-Trump discussion board would lower Donald Trump's achievements, whereas links from CNN or Wapo would elevate it. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 16:57, 16 March 2019 (EDT)
I don't know of many tools offhand that look at specific pages, but I could do a little looking around. I know they exist, but there may not be any good free options. For example, this tool seems pretty nice, but it limits results for the domain to 100 entries, then filters by page, so only shows a small fraction of results, unless you pay for a subscription. [1] --DavidB4 (TALK) 17:54, 16 March 2019 (EDT)
This looks like a better one, but you need to give them a (preferably junk) email address to use it. It's free though. [2] --DavidB4 (TALK) 18:01, 16 March 2019 (EDT)
Here's another one. The way to build ranking is (provided the backlink comes from a reputable site; use Media Bias Fact Check when in doubt; a sites ideological coloring is irrelevant. What's more important is it's Alexa ranking being ahead of CP, and that it's not on the SPLC hit list. Avoid backlinks that appear to be commie/lib false flags aimed at discrediting CP and to lower CP's rankings and traffic) when a page you are working on has an inbound backlink, provide a reverse outbound backlink to the same site. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 19:46, 16 March 2019 (EDT)

Protected page edit request

User:TK is deceased. His entry under "Influential editors and users" should be rewritten in past tense. I suggest

[[User:TK|TK]] made many substantive contributions since coming to Conservapedia in 2007, and was known for his vigilance against vandals.

The annotation (RIP) at the end of the sentence could be dropped, as the tense would adequately convey that he is deceased. — Philcooper81T 14:21, 13 August 2019 (EDT)

Personally, I don't think he's deceased; I think his puppet master just got tired of spending the hours on CP that TK was putting in. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 14:52, 13 August 2019 (EDT)