RationalWiki

RationalWiki.org is a politically left-leaning website that skews towards atheism/agnosticism in terms of its worldview. RationalWiki has a small fraction of the web traffic it had before October 2019 (see: RationalWiki and web traffic).

The RationalWiki website lost a huge amount of web traffic in the latter part of 2019 and throughout most the first half of 2020 (see graphics below). In January of 2022, SimilarWeb.com reported that the RationalWiki.org website was dropping in terms of its global ranking of web traffic (see: 2022 state of RationalWiki.org in terms of web traffic and web marketing metrics).

As of December 5, 2021, a RationalWikian put a "this section needs updating" in the "scope and statistics" section of the RationalWiki web page describing itself. But as of July 25, 2022, the "scope and statistics" section has yet to be thoroughly updated. Apparently, RationalWiki does not want its readers to know about the tremendous amount of web traffic it lost.

On May 29, 2022, one of the founders of the RationalWiki website indicated "Currently the donations we get are sparse... We have not done a donation drive in a long time and have not been self-supporting for over a year....". A global fundraising scam, Rationalwiki has not complied with non-profit reporting requirements for 7 consecutive years. See also: Atheism and charity and Atheist organizations and fundraising and Atheist fundraising vs. religious fundraising

In June of 2022, the RationalWiki admin GrammarCommie said that RationalWiki was "half dead". In reply, the RationalWiki user 2friedeggs said: "This site is dying for a reason" and he indicated that GrammarCommie was chasing good faith editors away. In addition, in June of 2022, RationalWiki user Neiltyson1fan called RationalWiki a "zombie wiki".

As can be seen via its block log, RationalWiki has a low edits to blocked editor accounts ratio at a wiki which measures the close-mindedness/intolerance and groupthink of a wiki. See: Atheism and intolerance and Atheism and groupthink

RationalWiki and closedmindedness

RationalWikians and censoring, banning and permabanning

At RationalWiki users who post information contrary to secular leftist/liberal ideology are vandal-binned, topic-banned and eventually put on trial and shunned/banned. All facts and opinions which are at variance with secular leftist/liberal ideology are reverted/erased/obscured at RationalWiki. The trials are not fairminded in terms of the application of the rules. For example, despite RationalWiki's rules requiring a 2/3rds majority to permaban a user, a RationalWiki user was permabanned despite the vote not reaching a 2/3rds majority.

RationalWikians have banned a very large proportion of individuals from their website compared to most wikis (see: Edits to blocked editor accounts ratio at a wiki). See also: Atheism and intolerance

Permabanning

See also: The key differences between RationalWiki and the Amish

RationalWikians do permanently ban some of its users. Atheists are known for being more unforgiving than Christians (see: Atheism and forgiveness). For example, the Amish do excommunicate/shun members, but if they are contrite, they do allow ex-Amish to return to the Amish community. See also: The key differences between RationalWiki and the Amish

RationalWikians do permanently ban some of its users.

Atheists are known for being more unforgiving than Christians (see: Atheism and forgiveness). For example, the Amish do excommunicate/shun members, but if they are contrite, they do allow ex-Amish to return to the Amish community.

For more information, please see: The key differences between RationalWiki and the Amish

RationalWiki and mental illness

RationalWiki users have a higher incidence of mental illness than the general public which is common for the Western atheist and Western secular leftist population as a whole (see: Atheism and mental illness and Secular leftists and psychogenic illness).

The abstract for the journal article Health and Well-Being Among the Non-religious: Atheists, Agnostics, and No Preference Compared with Religious Group Members published in the Journal of Religion and Health indicates: "On dimensions related to psychological well-being, atheists and agnostics tended to have worse outcomes than either those with religious affiliation or those with no religious preference."

RationalWiki admin LeftyGreenMario and another editor on the website not being a website conducive to mental health on the day of March 25, 2021

"Can't everyone just calm down. It's not like it's the end of the world... yet." - Unclescrooge (talk) 04:12, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

The incident above was triggered by the former RationalWiki Foundation Board member and RationalWiki admin GrammarCommie (GC) threatening to harm himself and commit suicide if he didn't get his way in some matters (see: Screenshot captures of RationalWiki posts related to GrammnarCommie).

RationalWiki Administrator and RationalWiki Media Foundation board member DuceMoosolini said the RationalWiki website attracted "all sorts of weird people"

See also: Atheism and social outcasts

In 2020, at the RationalWiki Discord server, the RationalWiki Administrator and RationalWiki Media Foundation board member DuceMoosolini said the RationalWiki website attracts "all sorts of weird people".

In 2020, at the RationalWiki Discord server, the RationalWiki Administrator and RationalWiki Media Foundation board member DuceMoosolini said the RationalWiki website attracts "all sorts of weird people".

RationalWikians and autism/Asperger's syndrome

Atheists have an above-average incidence of autism and Asperger's syndrome (see: Atheism and autism).

The atheist PZ Myers and his blog audience scored higher than average on a Asperger's syndrome test (see: Atheist PZ Myers' blog audience and their reported Asperger's quotient test results).

Atheists are known for having poor social skills (see: Atheism and social/interpersonal intelligence). According to an international study done by William Bainbridge, atheism is frequent among people whose interpersonal social obligations are weak and is also linked to lower fertility rates in advanced industrial nations (See also: Atheism and fertility rates). The RationalWikian user/editer base has a significant number of quarrelsome, socially challenged males as evidenced the archives of the dispute resolution areas of their website - specifically the archives for RationalWiki's "Chicken Coop" and the archives for RationalWiki's "All things in moderation".

Brain researchers have conducted a number of studies focusing on the differences between atheists and the religious. See: Atheism and the brain

RationalWiki's lack of appeal to a women audience

See also: RationalWiki's lack of appeal to a women audience

According to the leading web marketing website SimilarWeb.com, RationalWiki's audience skews heavily male.

RationalWiki and its web visitor interest in pornography

See also: RationalWiki and its web visitor interest in pornography

RationalWiki.org is a politically left leaning website that skews towards atheism/agnosticism in terms of its worldview.

The editors of the website RationalWiki try to portray the website as a thinking person's wiki where the editors carefully analyze various matters.

But SimilarWeb.com data shows a significant portion of RationalWiki's web audience is interested in "adult" material as can be seen by the "adult" audience interests in the above graphic.

Many feminists contend that pornography exploits women. RationalWiki is a pro-feminism website.

RationalWiki and its poor leadership

See also: Atheism and leadership and Atheism and social skills

The godless have a reputation for having poor leadership (see: Atheism and leadership) and as can be seen below RationalWiki is no exception to this matter which helps explains its socially challenged atmosphere and impoverished state as well as it falling web traffic and falling influence. See also: Atheism and social skills

On July 14, 2022, during the election process for the RationalMedia Foundation board of directors, RationalWiki users admitted that RationalWikians were offering weak candidates so far.

GrammarCommie

GrammarCommie is known for his bullying.

Research on the dark triad of personality traits (narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy) indicate a correlation with bullying. See also: Atheism and narcissism and Atheism and psychopathy

Portrait of Niccolò Machiavelli by Santi di Tito.

See also: GrammarCommie

GrammarCommie (GC) is largely a former RationalWiki administrator. He retired and vowed to never come back a few times (He came back a few times. His last post was July 13, 2022).

He formerly served on the RationalWiki Foundation board of directors until he had a mental health crisis which consisted of him threatening to cut himself and commit suicide in order to get his way at RationalWiki (See: Screenshot captures of RationalWiki posts related to GrammnarCommie). He is an atheist and leftist.

GrammarCommie has anger management issues which sometimes results in him angrily posting abusive posts in all caps laced with profanity (see also: Atheism and anger and Atheism and profanity). The RationalWiki admin who goes by the moniker CorruptUser wrote about GrammarCommie on March 25, 2021: "GC has this belief that there's a Certain Way you have to make arguments, and seeing anyone deviating from that Certain Way results in him losing control, and he has little ability to regain his composure. During this time he will write vicious screeds, make threats, or engage in blockwars including removal of rights." See also: Atheism and social/interpersonal intelligence

GrammarCommie frequently bans people which contributes to RationalWiki being a wiki that has a low edits to blocked editor accounts ratio at a wiki. He also frequently reverts other editors. A wiki with a low edit to block ratio tends to be a closed-minded wiki that is dogmatic and intolerant (see also: Atheism and dogmatism and Atheism and intolerance).

He is also known for his bullying. Research on the dark triad of personality traits (narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy) indicate a correlation with bullying. See also: Atheism and narcissism and Atheism and psychopathy

In June of 2022, GrammarCommie was banning and unbanning himself. Before banning himself initially, GrammarCommie said that RationalWiki was "half-dead" and filled with "twits". Specifically, he wrote: "You know what, fine. Take your half dead site, where most of you twits obsess over one or two articles and et the rest of the site rot, where I can't even perform basic category maintenance without someone getting on my ass, which by the way is why i haven't touched mainspace in ages, where trolls are humored as long as there's the barest minimum level of plausible deniability, and shove it right up your f**king *ss." In reply, the RationalWiki user 2friedeggs said: "This site is dying for a reason" and he indicated that GrammarCommie was chasing good faith editors away. On July 3, 2022, the RationalWiki Moderator LeftyGreenMario gave Grammarcommie an ultimatum. He could either unblock himself and "contribute to the community without taking swipes at other people" or he could stay blocked. In response, GrammarCommie replied: "@LeftyGreenMario What, exactly, am I supposed to contribute? I try to deal with trolls and asshats, I get burned. I try to clean up categories, I get burned. So. What, exactly, am I supposed to contribute?".

GrammarCommie often pontificates about politics and economics and sees himself as very knowledgeable about these areas despite describing himself as being lower middle class. On July 30, 2021, GrammarCommie wrote: "I asked for data, not random factoids. Just as we can't infer that every white person lives at the lower middle class level because I do...". He is also known for correcting people's grammar and being intolerant of people's grammatical errors.

GrammarCommie describes himself thusly, "Deeply cynical and borderline misanthropic. Very much not Utopian. Unconventional left-winger. If you want more info engage me in a conversation. I'm an asshole, but I'm honest." GrammarCommmie is admin at RationalWiki, which is a wiki that intentionally lies about its web traffic statistics on its article about itself in that it greatly inflates its web traffic and global market share

LeftyGreenMario

See also: LeftyGreenMario

LeftyGreenMario (LGM) is a RationalWiki moderator.

LeftyGreenMario is not sure if she has bad judgment. She feels as if she is a bad person due to her gossiping about other RationalWikians at the RationalWiki Discord server.

The above screenshot was taken from the RationalWiki Discord server.

LeftyGreenMario (LGM) is a lady RationalWiki (RW) moderator and administrator. She is also a RationalWiki Foundation trustee. RationalWiki.org is a politically left-leaning wiki website that skews towards atheism/agnosticism in terms of its worldview. LeftyGreenMario became a RationalWiki moderator in January of 2018.

LeftyGreenMario is a feminist, self-described asexual, atheist, evolutionist, proponent of abortion, environmentalist and a video game enthusiast. LeftyGreenMario is a student of Herbert Marcuse's partisan tolerance, and almost singlehandedly destroyed what little bit of balance and tolerance of diverse viewpoints existed in the Rationalwiki community since its founding in 2007. As a Trustee of the RationalMedia Foundation, LeftyGreenMario has led the project down the road of leftist intolerance. Many longtime contributors abandoned the project after her rise as a central figure. See also: RationalWiki and web traffic and LeafyGreenMario and Google referral traffic

Google has a number of quality indicators by which is rates a website. According to SEMRush, RationalWiki had 1.49 million monthly referral visits from Google in January of 2018 (which is when LeafyGreenMario became a RationalWiki moderator). According to SEMRush, RationalWiki's peak Google referral traffic was 3.5 million visits per month in August 2019. In June of 2020, according to SEMRush, RationalWiki had 464,000 monthly referrals from Google. In January of 2022, according to SEMRUsh, RationalWiki had 185,661 monthly referrals from Google. RationalWiki has lost a massive amount of web traffic since its peak in August of 2019 (see: RationalWiki and web traffic).

LeftyGreenMario is not sure if she has bad judgment (see screenshot graphic to the right). She feels as if she is a bad person due to her gossiping about other RationalWikians at the RationalWiki Discord server.

She was threatened with impeachment by a former RationalWiki Moderator and current Administrator of RationalWiki, who goes by the username Ace McWicked, due to her involvement in the RationalWiki GossipGate scandal (She gossiped about Ace McWicked). She apologized to Ace McWicked to turn things around, to no effect (see screenshot graphic to the right).

RationalWiki administrator Hastur on LeftyGreenMario's temperament being unsuitable for a moderator

RationalWiki administrator Hastur on LeftyGreenMario's temperament. According to RationalWiki policy, ill-behavior on the RationalWiki Discord Server is not a recallable offense. However, RationalWikians do ignore their policies and act arbitrarily. For example, a RationalWikian was permabanned from the RationalWiki website without a 2/3rds vote which by RationalWkiki's policies is required.

LeftyGreenMario's influence on RationalWiki according to RationalWiki Admininstrator Ace McWicked

On May 23, 2020, a RationalWiki (RW) administrator who goes by the moniker Ace McWicked essentially admits that RationalWiki is becoming an echo chamber of its most prominent administrator.

In the above quote, LGM is an acronym for the lady, RationalWiki administrator LeftyGreenMario. See: Atheism and groupthink

RationalWiki and anti-feminist language by RationalWiki Moderator User: Spud

RationalWiki is a pro-feminism website.

Above is a screen capture of one of the instances of RationalWiki Moderator User: Spud using language that would be considered derogatory to women by some feminists.

RationalWiki and web traffic

See also: RationalWiki and web traffic and RationalWiki and Google referral traffic and Internet atheism

RationalWiki and Google referral traffic

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Since October 2019, the RationalWiki website lost a huge amount of its Google referral traffic according to the leading web marketing company SEMRush.

Google uses over 200 factors to evaluate the quality and the relevance of a website to various topics.

SimilarWeb data for RationalWiki as of January 9, 2022: On January 9, 2022, SimilarWeb indicated that RataionalWiki.org was losing its ranking relative to other websites when it comes to web traffic.

On January 9, 2022, SimilarWeb indicated that RataionalWiki.org was losing its ranking relative to other websites when it comes to web traffic.

Web marketing is often a relative strength game. Just because a website is gaining content or links does not mean that its competitors are not moving faster.

RationalWiki's significant branding problem

See also: RationalWiki and its branding problems

The Innis Maggiore Ad Agency, which works with major corporations, says concerning rebranding/repositioning: "When a brand’s meaning is strongly established in the mind, it’s extremely difficult — if not impossible — to change. It is possible to refine, adjust and hone a brand’s meaning when necessary. But repositioning a brand with a wholesale change? Hardly a chance."

Margaret Thatcher said: “Being powerful is like being a lady... If you have to tell people you are, you aren't.” So perhaps the name RationalWiki was a poor website name if RationalWikians wanted to convey that its contributors and web content is rational. RationalWiki has been called irrational by so many people that it created an essay at its website entitled I thought this was supposed to be RATIONALWiki which is highly linked to on its website. RationalWiki, by its own admissions, has experienced various incidences of mental illness being displayed on its website (see: RationalWiki and mental illness).

RationalWiki contributor User: User:TornadoLTS wrote:

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But to give a more complete picture, there is a concept in branding that "Everything counts". Everything that an organization does either creates and builds its brand or weakens and/or destroys its brand. If there are any incongruencies or inconsistencies, it is harmful to a brand. I will give an illustration. I was in communication with a RationalWiki contributor who was unhappy with the amount of dysfunction that was happening at RationalWiki at the time. He was complaining about User:Oxyaena, User: GrammarCommie and others. And he made the charge that there was a lot of mental illness among RationalWiki contributors. If his charge is true, that would be a brand incongruency/inconsistency for a website called RationalWiki.

”

Los Angeles Times reporting that RationalWikians vandalize Conservapedia

According to an article published in the Los Angeles Times in 2007, RationalWiki members "by their own admission" vandalize Conservapedia. So early on, RationalWiki had a branding problem.

Google data indicating that RationalWiki has a branding problem and RationalWikian commentary on this issue

Google trends data for the website RationalWiki.org

Seer Interactive is a big data digital marketing firm with many Fortune 500 clients.

Seer Interactive points out "When branded traffic is down year-over-year or month-over-month but organic visibility has not fluctuatuated, this may indicate a decrease in either brand demand or brand awareness. By leveraging Google Trends, you can quickly understand if interest in your brand has changed." When Seer Interactive refers to "organic traffic" they are referring to a website's Google traffic going to its website.

Snark is mocking in a sarcastic way. There is a logical fallacy called the appeal to ridicule logical fallacy. From a branding perspective, RationalWiki readers may have the perception that there is an incongruence between the name RationalWiki and a website that is overreliant on mocking. And because RationalWiki covers a lot of medical science topics, readers may feel uncomfortable with snark because it involves humor and the public doesn't usually associate science with sarcastic humor.

The RationalWiki Moderator Bongolian wrote at RationalWiki: "Over time, RW has clearly become less snarky over time, particularly in 2017 when the Scientific Point of View became favored over the Snarky Point of View when there was any issue over SPOV."

RationalWiki tripled its organic traffic from 2017 to late 2019 in a big way and then something happened to cause a massive decrease in organic traffic in November 2019 (See: RationalWiki and Google referral traffic). Google trends for RationalWiki from 2017 to November 2020 indicates that Google searches for the keyword RationalWiki bounced between the range of 50-75 on the Google trends relative scale (not the number of actual searches) which presumably was due to websites with large amounts of web traffic mentioning RationalWiki periodically during that time. Starting in May of 2021, Google searches for RationalWiki have bounced between the range of 25 to 50 searches a month on the Google trends relative scale.

The data does not support the notion that a change from a less Snarky point of view to a more Scientific Point of View made a big improvement in RationalWiki's brand awareness. RationalWiki's brand awareness stayed about the same from 2017 to November 2020 even though its organic traffic tripled during some of this time period. And then something happened around May 2021 or so that caused RationalWiki's brand awareness to go down.

RationalWikians paranoid about catching monkeypox

RationalWikians discussing how they are paranoid about catching monkeypox.

The above screen capture was taken from RationalWiki's Saloon Bar.

RationalWiki and the coronavirus pandemic

See also: RationalWiki and the coronavirus pandemic

Several atheist websites did very poorly during the coronavirus pandemic and lost a large amount of their traffic since the early part of 2020 (see: Internet atheism and the coronavirus pandemic). The RationalWiki website very large amount of web traffic during the coronavirus pandemic (see: RationalWiki and the coronavirus pandemic).

Historically, religiosity increases during pandemics. Pew Research found people's religious faith grew during the pandemic - especially in the United States. Nearly three-in-ten U.S. adults say the outbreak has boosted their faith; about four-in-ten say it has tightened family bonds.

In addition, many atheist organizations have significant difficulty in getting their fellow atheist to financially support them (see: Atheist organizations and fundraising), so their web marketing budgets could have been low during the pandemic. In addition, many atheist organizations have poor fiscal management so they may not have had reserves built up before the pandemic (see: Atheist organizations and financial mismanagement).

As noted above, on May 29, 2022, one of the founders of the RationalWiki website indicated "Currently the donations we get are sparse... We have not done a donation drive in a long time and have not been self-supporting for over a year....". A global fundraising scam, Rationalwiki has not complied with non-profit reporting requirements for 7 consecutive years.

RationalWiki may never gain that traffic back again as the number of atheists in the world is expected to drop soon after 2022 according to the scholars at the Center for the Study of Global Christianity at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. Currently, the global atheist population is losing market share in terms of the world's population (see: Global atheism statistics).

RationalWikians and fear/paranoia of getting a coronavirus infection

See also: Atheism and death anxiety and Atheism and death and Atheism and cowardice and Atheism and anxiety and Atheism and mental toughness

An RationalWiki user wrote on March 12, 2021: "Can't wait to get the COVID vaccine. Been extremely paranoid for the past year. At least more paranoid than I normally would be." - User: Eggs Over EASyPlus

Another RationalWiki editor wrote in response: "There's a story floating around about a 39 year old from Utah who died after taking the covid vaccine. As tragic as that situation is, really hope it doesn't scare people off from taking it. Even if this was directly caused by the vaccine (we're still unsure it was or not), far less will die from this vaccine vs COVID itself. But expect this to make the front lines of anti-vax websites everywhere." - User: Aaronmichael5, March 12, 2021

According to a study performed in the United States by the researchers Wink and Scott, very religious people fear death the least.

For more information, please see: Atheism and death anxiety

The debate that RationalWiki's leftists/socialists lost very badly

See also: The debate that RationalWiki's leftists/socialists lost very badly

From July 31, 2022 to August 1, 2022, a debate/discussion occurred about the merits of capitalism vs. socialism at RationalWiki's forum which is called their Saloon Bar. The discussion thread that sparked this debate/discussion was entitled US is officially facing a recession

Debate summary: A member of RationalMedia Foundation's board of directors became furious when User: Conservative (User: Lipsen) pointed out that: the conservative Margaret Thatcher was the longest-serving British Prime Minister of the 20th century and in the 1980s, Britain's economy under Thatcher grew faster than any other economy - except for Spain. In addition, the squalid conditions of the UK when various manufacturing companies were nationalized and the public sector enlarged was pointed out. Furthermore, it was pointed out that abusive language is not a substitution for sound arguments. There were so many other sound arguments made during the debate that the politically left-leaning RationalWiki website is in the midst of creating a "Criticism of socialism" article.

LeftyGreenMario, a lady board member of the RationalMedia Foundation and a moderator of RationalWiki, became so angry that RationalWiki's leftists/socialists lost the debate, that she accused the capitalist User: Lipsen of spending his school years "munching on history book binding" while using coarse language and misspelling the word sanctimonious (She spelled it "sacrimonious"). See also: Atheism and profanity

LeftyGreenMario then banned User: Lipsen on August 1, 2022. Most atheists lean politically to the left and many atheists are intolerant. See also: Atheism and politics and Atheism and intolerance.

As can be seen via its block log, RationalWiki has a low edits to blocked editor accounts ratio at a wiki which measures the close-mindedness/intolerance and groupthink of a wiki. See also: Atheism and groupthink and Atheism and dogmatism and Atheism and open-mindedness

User: Conservative, an Admin at Conservapedia, was posting to RationalWiki using the RationalWiki account User: Lipsen.

The debate/discussion that RationalWiki's leftists/socialists lost badly inspired RationalWiki's Admin User: GeeJayK to start a draft of the article "Criticism of socialism"

RationalWiki's Admin User: GeeJayK was so inspired by the debate/discussion that RationalWiki's leftists/socialists lost badly that he started creating a draft of the upcoming RationalWiki article "Criticism of socialism" (See graphic below). Upon creating his RationalWiki draft article "Criticisms of socialism", RationalWiki admin User: GeeJayK wrote: "Discussion on the bar gave me some incentives to write this." (See second graphic below). The bar refers to RationalWiki's Saloon Bar which is their discussion forum. RationalWiki User: GeeJayK is a supporter of capitalism at the politically left-leaning website RationalWiki (see third graphic below).

The RationalWiki website was launched largely in response to User: Conservative's articles on evolution and atheism. User: Conservative continues to have an influence on RationalWikians through his periodic posts at RationalWiki's discussion forum and his posts at Conservapedia. According to SimilarWeb.com, one of the top web traffic sources to Conservapedia is RationalWiki (see fourth graphic below). Conservapedia's atheism related articles continue to receive hundreds of thousands of views each year (see: Conservapedia:Atheism articles statistics).

RationalWiki's Admin User: GeeJayK was so inspired by the debate/discussion that RationalWiki's leftists/socialists lost badly that he started creating a draft of the upcoming RationalWiki article "Criticism of socialism".

Upon creating his RationalWiki draft article "Criticisms of socialism", RationalWiki admin User: GeeJayK wrote: "Discussion on the bar gave me some incentives to write this." The bar refers to RationalWiki's Saloon Bar which is their discussion forum.

RationalWiki's Admin User: GeeJayK is a supporter of capitalism according to his user page. Most of the political content at RationalWiki is politically left-leaning.

According to SimilarWeb.com of the top traffic sources to Conservapedia is RationalWiki.

Conservapedia's atheism articles continue to receive hundreds of thousands of views each year (see: Conservapedia:Atheism articles statistics).

Key points that User: Conservative (User: Lipsen) made during the debate

Socialism-lite/socialism in the UK vs. the economic policies of the conservative Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. Socialists used abusive language instead of sound arguments

The conservative Margaret Thatcher was the longest-serving British Prime Minister of the 20th century.

1. I said about post WWII UK that: a significant portion of the UK's manufacturing base was taken over by the government, it's tax rate was jacked up, its public sector of the economy greatly increased partly due to its labor unions donating to the Labour Party. The public sector labor unions went on strike causing mountains of trash, corpses and rats to fill the streets.

If you want to call that socialism-lite instead of full-blown socialism that's fine. But socialism doesn't have a good track record either - unless you want to make the lame, utopian argument that socialism has never really been tried (Soviet Union, Chinese socialism with Chinese characteristics, Cuba, etc.).

2. WWII ended in 1945 and the German bombing campaign commonly called the Blitz caused much damage to Britain. The website History.com points out that "The Marshall Plan, also known as the European Recovery Program, was a U.S. program providing aid to Western Europe following the devastation of World War II. It was enacted in 1948 and provided more than $15 billion to help finance rebuilding efforts on the continent." In the 20th century, the USA/UK had what is often called a "special relationship" and still continues to this day although it was damaged by the Iraq War, etc. So the UK received a decent size portion of the Marshall Plan money.

3. Socialism-lite/socialism had 30 years to prove its worth in the UK and it failed in the eyes of the UK public which is why Margaret Thatcher was elected in 1979.

4. Although AMG wrote that I said "Thatcherism fixed everything", I never said this. But I did point out that Margaret Thatcher privatized formerly nationalized companies and "In the 1980s, Britain's economy grew faster than any other economy - except for Spain."

5. Margaret Thatcher was in power from 1979 to 1990 and was the longest-serving British prime minister of the 20th century. Much of the British public thought she did a good job or she wouldn't have served for so long (The UK is a Western democracy with free and fair elections so Thatcher would have been thrown out before she became the longest-serving British prime minister of the 20th century).

6. When I have participated in online discussions at websites that have civil discourse or watch public figures debate, I don't see individuals calling people imbeciles. If RationalWiki contributors want to stoop to using abusive language rather than making strong arguments, RationalWiki is free to do so, but it will pay a price. It will be much harder (or impossible) to attract new contributors who make quality contributions. Lipsen (talk) 18:14, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Nordic countries are capitalist and not socialist utopias. Excessive big government debt is a drag on the economy

I pointed out in my short recap of how socialism adversely affected the UK/Britain that the government took over some manufacturing companies. I did this because KarmaPolice's user page indicates that he is a socialist. As far as the Nordic countries, Foreignpolicy.com's article [https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/10/27/nordic-countries-not-socialist-denmark-norway-sweden-centrist/ Nordic Countries Aren’t Actually Socialist says: "Denmark, Norway, and Sweden shouldn’t be held up as socialist utopias." With that being said, each country is going to have to decide how big the public sector is. I am not an anarchist who believes in no government, but more of a limited/small government proponent with local government doing a lot of the "government lifting" - except for obvious exceptions such as the military. Local governments are often more responsive to the people. In somewhat recent economic history, there are non-socialist countries that have large amounts of federal government debt which is not healthy for an economy once it gets over a certain percentage of GNP. That is one of the main reasons that I think the federal government should not get too big.

Socialistic policies in the UK, India and Israel failed. The notion of a government controlling wages and prices via supercomuters and governmental workers better than the people working in the actual industries/markets/niches everyday is an example of failed socialist thinking

KarmaPolice, I just looked at your profile and it says you are a socialist. Israel, India, and the UK all adopted socialism as an economic model following World War II and it failed in each case. The reason you resorted to the illogical argumentation of the ad hominem argument by calling me a "moron" when it comes to understanding economics is that you cannot defend the failure of a system called socialism. Your notion of a government controlling wages and prices via supercomuters and governmental workers better than the people working in the actual industries/markets/niches everyday is an example of failed socialist thinking.

Swiss economy has lower inflation than USA under the Biden administration which had excess money printing, big government spending, anti-fossil fuel public policy and funded a foreign war in Ukraine

It was recently [1] that the annual inflation rate in the USA accelerated to 9.1% in June of 2022. Reuters reported that Swiss inflation in June hits 29-year high of 3.4%. The Biden administration did a lot of money printing, a lot of federal government spending and it had very anti domestic fossil fuel policy plus it did not handle Covid-19 well. This largely explains why the USA has a higher inflation rate than Switzerland. In addition, the USA spends a lot on its military and funding the Ukrainian military during the war in Ukraine. Lipsen (talk) 14:34, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

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