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Blessings to all.Telling (talk) 22:36, January 1, 2023 (EST)

Two notes

Hi Telling, I started a stub for an article on Holocaust trivialization if you'd like to add on to it. Since your massive additions properly cover numerous examples of Arab antisemites trivializing the Holocaust, perhaps you can move some content from the larger articles there and replace those sections with a {{main|Holocaust trivialization}}.

Also, on a lesser note, I see that you tend to remove outdated discussions on your talk page here. How about creating an archive instead, as many users do? Just create a subpage like "User talk:Telling/Archive 1"! —LT ^{(Mark 8:36)} Thursday, 22:12, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Naftali Bennett

We could probably use a bio sketch on Naftali Bennett. Much of it could be filed in with paragraphs of content you've added elsewhere.

This is what we call a "Portal page", which then supplies links to all the subpages you've created with references to Bennett with more detail on each subject. Right now, we got Naftali Bennett on Template:Mainpageright, which would direct traffic to the portal page and all the subpages. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:58, February 5, 2023 (EST)

Meantime, please add a few highlights.

To start with.

1. Formerly activist in Judea Samaria (including in what the MSM calls "settlement"). 2. Was briefly a PM of Israel. 3. Had disappointed many conservatives when setting up a coalition which included also the Islamic Ra'am party. On the other hand, the anti-Israel vocal ranting paper Haaretz (which represents a small percentage in that country) who attacked him prior to that, supported him because of that 4. Tried to break peace in Ukraine and states he was promised by Putin, he wouldn't kill Zelensky. ThanksTelling (talk)

Okay, I'll get it started. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:37, February 5, 2023 (EST)

Reupload

I worked on this one a bit. [1] Use it or keep the original, it's your choice. Thanks. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:19, March 17, 2023 (EDT)

Dear RobS,

This [2] is maybe clearer. What do you think?Telling (talk) 15:20, March 17, 2023 (EDT)

This might be best, being there are so many unnamed people in the photograph, and it looks a little less like somebody peed on it. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:46, March 17, 2023 (EDT)

wow. Kudos. Great job, cleaning, trimming.Telling (talk) 03:34, March 19, 2023 (EDT)

Comments

Be interested in your comments: The US-Backed Color Revolution In Israel Just Reached Crisis Proportions (yah, some of these authors are "pro-Palestinian", but that's not the issue here as this guy states two or three times). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 06:16, March 27, 2023 (EDT)

There is no doubt that Biden has been meddling there. Mark Levin of FoxNews exposed much of it. IMHO I'm not sure if it's just ColorRevolution. If that term includes any mass intervention than it is so. This meddling began under Obama 0.1...a note about "pro palestinians", in truth, almost none of these really care about that Arab group. It's an elegant term for anti-Israelism Telling (talk) 17:01, March 27, 2023 (EDT)

I wouldn't be surprised, either. The idea behind color revolutions is to get anti-government mobs in the street via fake news and social media. And this, of course, shoots a bunch of conspiracy theorists in the foot who claim who's really behind color revolutions. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:46, March 27, 2023 (EDT)

Covenant School shooting

Do you feel like starting a Covenant School shooting page? Nobody else has done it so far, and it looks like this story has legs. We already got a lot of information elsewhere that can be cut n pasted in. Thanks. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:44, March 28, 2023 (EDT)

I can see the lawsuits coming already from traumatized parents based on the Alex Jones precedent. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:46, March 28, 2023 (EDT)

sorry...long vacation.

Oh BTW, did you see this?

A Farrakhan Disciple Works for the Boston DA Seems like neo-Marxist Boston is getting a little too comfortable with Jew-haters. It's quickly turning from "we're only anti-Zionist, not antisemitic," to "Louis Farrakhan is a great guy!"

It's also worth noting that the MSM in recent months has employed the white supremacist terminology "Jewish supremacy," and that modern-day old-school white supremacists seem to have a high affinity for Palestinian extremist causes. One of the greatest ironies perhaps is how neo-Marxists claim the "ZOG" conspiracy is exclusively "far-right" even though they themselves propagate it in all but name. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 19:00, May 28, 2023 (EDT)

Thanks for this shocking, but useful info to reveal truth. It is a result of 1 - The BLMism. And 2- Omar/Tlaib duo (who are pro Islamism, and will not agree to liberalism in any Muslim society, but will help the AOCs to liberalize Americans and play the "we are progressives" only to have the) influence on the Squad is strong, even NBC TV series shows are influenced by scapegoating exclusively whites especially Jews. (BTW, some useful sites info on the ME can be found of course on page you mentioned www.israelnationalnews.com, on www.JNS.org, www.Palwatch.org ).Telling (talk) 20:00, May 28, 2023 (EDT)

Well, the general "antiwhite" sentiment seems to be part of a larger game: perhaps all along, the untold secret plan among the leftist elite is to portray themselves as antiwhite, so that when conservatives criticize them, they link the political right to far-left white supremacists. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Monday, 20:23, May 28, 2023 (EDT)

BTW, regarding that zog-slur-myth, it is so ridiculous how bigots use Soros, despite his rather anti-Zionism / anti-Israel Islamists-apologetic past/present activities see also related [Biden's anti-Israel appointments].Telling (talk) 21:27, May 28, 2023 (EDT)

Musk's 'Soros is anti-human civilization' was brilliant. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:34, May 28, 2023 (EDT)

[EC] Yeah, I completely get what you mean; Jew-haters are just stupid to begin with, and thus their "logic" never adds up. Another example that suddenly comes to mind would be how white supremacists and black nationalists sometimes quote Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, which anyone who actually reads the context will know is not even a polemic against Jewry at all.

Yes, Musk's denunciation of Soros was thorough, bold, and perfect. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Monday, 21:35, May 28, 2023 (EDT)

If one criticize terrible Soros as a wrong guy, that is fine. If one links him to the old fantasy of "TheProtocles" forgery or "because" of his ethnic linkage, now that is blind hate. I didn't see the latter in Musk (I tend to believe, he didn't mean the H.S. detail in choosing that character). . Resources on anti-Israel record of Soros-

[3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11].Telling (talk) 22:06, May 28, 2023 (EDT)

I don't know if the Soros page is locked or not, but you're free to give us a fresh updated perspective. Mind you, the guy's 86 and the stuff could be written like an obituary or final epitaph of his life's work and ambitions. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:02, May 28, 2023 (EDT)

Hope to get to that some day too.Telling (talk) 22:06, May 28, 2023 (EDT)

Sorry

Another editor derailed your thread into something other than Main Page news which I thought we could develop properly, so it was moved here: Conservapedia:Community_Portal#Islam_convert_pro_ISIS_-_Andrew_Tate:_called_for_the_Islamisation_of_Britain. Don't give up or become discouraged. Just ignore the trolling. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 11:38, July 20, 2023 (EDT)

Cheers. NP.Telling (talk)

Bidenomics

I started a Bidenomics page. This page likely will be linked to from the Main Page often in coming months. I used all your material from the Joe Biden page. Feel free to do what whatever you think is necessary to keep the new page current and updated. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 13:56, July 24, 2023 (EDT)

Sounds great.Telling (talk)

You might be interested

[12] RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:57, August 9, 2023 (EDT)

Thanks.

Biden impeachment

Do we have enough to start a Biden impeachment page yet? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:09, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

We shall follow it, but I fear, at the end, it won't get through against all the odds (MSM +WH letter to them, etc.)...what say tou?Telling (talk)

Yah, that's my expectation, too. Nobody (not even the Dems) wants Kamala. This means the House hearings have to dragged out almost through the primaries or when (however) Biden gets the boot. 2024 is an open seat election right now.

FWIW, we could start a page, and fill it in with stuff already in CP (look what I did in about 10 minutes with James Biden once his name hit the headlines) as stuff comes out in the hearings. Really, most everything has been known in open source for 3-4 years already. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:53, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

I shall chip in, nevertheless. Meantime, hat tip - Two links to start off with:

https://oversight.house.gov/hearing/the-basis-for-an-impeachment-inquiry-of-president-joseph-r-biden-jr/

filtered searchTelling (talk)

Ok, got her rolling. Now we got something to link to for daily headlines. As I said, as "bombshells" come out, we probably already got it in Ukrainian collusion or Biden crime family or Hunter's page, etc. The "7 takeaways" from I think the heritage Foundation on MPR could give a guide to developing subheadings. Also, Mollie Hemingway at The Federalist should be a good source.

But, as before, the fact this in Oversight and not Judiciary means it's going to be dragged out. I hope at least 6 months, to coincide with Trump's trials. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 21:45, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

What you said last line, is exactly Biden's nightmare.Telling (talk)

I'm expecting an LBJ-like scenario, hopefully with Biden withdrawing after a few primaries run to put Kamala at a big disadvantage. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 21:55, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

This [13] image?Telling (talk)

"scoundrels, sleaze, corruption". Love it!

Yep, if we can the most House high drama around Super Tuesday (by then Biden already makes his LBJ speech), then a Senate trial around convention time for maximum embarrassment to the Democrats, would be the perfect scenario.

You know, right now the GOP are the majority in the Senate with Feinstein's death - you don't need a tie breaker. Must be in the Senate rules if California has a Dem gov, there's no switch. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:03, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Yes...plus Menendez is in trouble...Telling (talk)

Oh yes, that too. And Fetterman's brain dead. Unless all three states have Democrat governors, there must be a Senate rule that Minority Leader could push to take over control. Til then, Schumer's in charge of what comes to floor, so they just won't vote on anything til replacements arrive. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:10, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

<digression> Sundance of The Conservative Treehouse explained why Glitch McConnell is such a putz who'd rather play defense than offense; cause the Minority Leader only needs to control 11 Senators to make or break a Filibuster, rather than 40 like the Majority has to. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:16, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

I was actually quite surprised when Fettetman said Menendez is got to go..Telling (talk)

Yah, but we've all seen this movie before.

It's like yesterday's 335 votes to strip Ukraine funding for 45 days; now members of both parties can go home and say they voted for it against it. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:22, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Let's see if there is going to be a real change in border security funding... after all the drama.

Quote of the day "107,000 Americans have died from fentanyl poisoning, from fentanyl coming across the Southern border. We haven't lost one soldier in Ukraine" [14].Telling (talk)

Wow. Victory at last! Lindsey Graham, of course. I've seen stuck on stupid, but he keeps burying himself. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:39, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

At least, in this case, today, even he advocates for the vital US security. i.e. borders.Telling (talk)

Well, do the math: 100,000 die a year from fentanyl and 100,000 a month come across the border. And somehow we're ahead.RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:48, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

federalistwire again https://thefederalistwire.com/democrats-present-biden-with-chilling-ultimatum/ RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 23:04, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

BTW, this post re AOC...

What do you know about the DEBUNKED Khazar–myth?

Hi Telling, since you're an expert on Judaism and Jewry, I presume you've heard of the argument before that contends Ashkenazi Jews are primarily descended from Khazars instead of ancient Judeans. Based off what the Jewish Encyclopedia says, it almost sounds as if modern-day "white" Jews are descendants of Russian Jews who were ethnic Khazar converts into the Talmudic sect of Judaism (commonly mistaken as "Pharisaism," which opposed Hellenization). Is this accurate, from your understanding?

Also, I'm aware of the fact that the Khazar argument is commonly abused by various antisemitic propagandists for moronic reasons, though would it be accurate to say that promulgation of the Khazar–Ashkenazi narrative is automatically indicative of antisemitism? For example, I see some Christian leaders such as Prof. Walter J. Veith in his King of the North II lecture and the author(s) of this book contend that Ashkenazi Jews trace their lineage to Khazars, though they don't come off as antisemitic.

Now, in the Veith lecture, he unfortunately resorts to quoting Benjamin H. Freedman, which evidently was a moronic decision he made; I've watched plenty of his lectures, and he seemed to have cited at least several low-quality, fringe sources, though most of the racism/antisemitism charges against him seemed fabricated and motivated by the SDA hierarchy's effort to suppress his outreach. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 21:44, October 2, 2023 (EDT)

It was originally a theory by a non historian Jew to repel anti Semitism in Europe linked to the death of Jesus.

But it was debunked (not just because of DNA). Ironically, today it's used against Jews to deny links to Israel. (Benjamin Freedman was a unique self hating guy who backed haters) It came up mainly in the early 1960s by infamous Holocauat denier Issa Nakhleh who worked with neo nazis for most of his career. Today it's promoted only by neo Nazis and anti Israel radical palestinians. (And a bigot on Wikipedia Nishidani). In any case, what Israelphobes don't get is, even of a small group were converts, still, they are considered Jews and have the same (automatically) Biblical rights. Because it's not about "race."~

Okay, I think I get what you're saying: so ultimately, since Jews are Jewish also because of religious adherence, their ancestry doesn't matter anyways at the end of the day? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 21:59, October 2, 2023 (EDT)

Exactly. A Jew is either by conversion or by having a Jewish mother. King David descended from Ruth the Jewish convert.

[EC] [EC] I see. Now, I suppose this is a bit of a digression, though in religious terms, how connected is modern-day Judaism to the Judaism of the Old Testament? For example, according to this brief dissertation, Hellenistic influence watered down the traditional Jewish emphasis on human life; would be accurate to say that the compilation of the Talmud was likewise an outgrowth of Hellenization?

And another thing also: would I be correct to say that Jews, both historically and nowadays, tend to be left-wing because traditionally it was the "right-wing" clerical power of the Dark Ages that so viciously persecuted them? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 22:08, October 2, 2023 (EDT)

Tip. As you can imagine, much of rationalwiki is not to my taste.. but on Khazar, they have some correct material, as of now.Telling (talk)

Yeah, I also saw their article on the topic. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 22:08, October 2, 2023 (EDT)

In wake of Abbas' latest (Aug.24.23) tirade and falsehood [[15][16][17]. A researcher elaborated.

separating myth from fact. (And re Issa Nakhleh another detail).Telling (talk)

Very interesting. I can't say I've done any extensive research on the linguistic and/or ethnic origins of Ashkenazi Jews to reach an absolutely determinate position on this issue; what I can say in the meantime though is that at the end of the day, the truth doesn't inherently lead to good; the truth can be used for righteous causes or twisted into negative, malicious intents. For me personally, as I hope most of the world would understand, it's objective, biblical moral standards that matter and the full adherence thereof which makes a person righteous, not understanding the truth alone in of itself. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 22:42, October 2, 2023 (EDT)

This vicious story is about a hater, post 9/11, using the Khazar myth. The site as a whole is very radical liberal but, please concentrate on the second half of the post.Telling (talk)

Yikes, what terrible hatred that some Holocaust survivors continued to endure. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 22:57, October 2, 2023 (EDT)

I first heard about the Khazars from Arther Koestler in the 1970s. Then a Jewish guy I worked with 20 years later repeated the whole thing (he must have read the same Koestler stuff). RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 23:43, October 2, 2023 (EDT)

Oh wow, a Jew promulgated the Khazar hypothesis to you? Very, very interesting. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 23:45, October 2, 2023 (EDT)

That was before DNA finding also refuted it...

I was just reading Koester's WP bio - what an interesting life. They credit Koestler for "revitalizing" the story in 1976 and have a link to a page on the subject which says "some call a myth". RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 00:07, October 3, 2023 (EDT)

Sunday laws

Hi Telling, around last year I read this article about Sunday laws. Do you happen to know much on the history of Sunday laws and antisemitism? I know that during antiquity, the apostate "Christian" Sunday laws during the time of Constantine was rooted in anti-Jewish bigotry, though have yet to find sufficient quality sources. What about also in the paganism-ridden city of Alexandria, for example? This source goes into a few details, though I wish I could unearth a bit more. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 23:33, October 2, 2023 (EDT)

1922. 1987 book.

BTW, as routine, as you know / can see, I don't elaborate on Christian anti-Semitism, which I'm quite aware of. Telling (talk)

Thanks for the sources, Telling; as for "Christian anti-Semitism," my research has indicated that much of the antisemitism in "Christianity" has little to do with a proper understanding of the New Testament and is the result of pagan, occultist, Gnostic influence. (now yes, there's the common "the Jews killed Jesus" argument, which falls flat when one realizes that the Greek term "hoi Ioudaios" does not translate simply to "the Jews" but rather means "the Judeans") For example, in the early Apostolic Era (2nd century), the Apostolic Fathers exemplified religiously motivated anti-Judaism against non-Christian Jews, and were strongly opposed to the highly antisemitic Gnosticism promulgator Marcion. Similarly, it was the apocryphal Epistle of Barnabas that promoted flagrant antisemitism, which the early apostolic church was not so quick to seep into, given the existence of Jewish Christians.

I've found some clues, though don't feel like I've fully connected the dots yet. For example, it's interesting and probably not too coincidental that the serpent seed theory, almost certainly invented by Gnostics, has been promoted by apostate, pseudochristian white supremacist cults. And yet, the serpent seed theory is blamed as a form of "Christian" antisemitism despite directly contradicting Genesis.

Since I myself identify as an adherent of Jewish-Christian values (the term "Christian" was never used by the earliest apostolic Jewish church in Jerusalem, which called itself Nazarenes; it was first used in reference to gentile converts) and am a historicist in eschatology, I believe that the final mark of the beast will be a Sunday law; any information you can find on the history of Sunday laws and antisemitism is highly appreciated. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 00:12, October 3, 2023 (EDT)

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Certainly, the Jewish Press piece you quoted is vital.

Meantine:

• Lewis' book: Lewis, A. H. (1888). A Critical History of Sunday Legislation from 321 to 1888 A.D.. United States: D. Appleton.

• The change in UK in 1855. Upon Baron Rothchild's efforts

(Pearlson, G. (1898). Twelve Centuries of Jewish Persecution: A Brief Outline of the Sufferings of the Hebrew Race in Christian Lands, Together with Some Account of the Different Laws and Specific Restrictions Under which They Have at Various Times Been Placed. United Kingdom: J. Lightowler, Albion Press. p. 41).

• A great problem For Sabbath observers

1925 ('The Jew In Canada', 1925, pp. 142-3)

• In Poland, great strife (Der Yid, Volume 4, 1902, p. 2.).

A 1975 book about Jews in Poland pp. 30, 60. Re the Sunday laws from Dec 18, 1919, great difficulties for Jewish traders/craftsmen that they have to rest two days VS non Jews (the economic strain). Telling (talk) 06:15, October 3, 2023 (EDT)

A certain Admin is wasting our time again and not acting in good faith

User: Telling, I sent DavidB4 and Andy Schlafly this email a few minutes ago:

Andy and DavidB4,

Less than a month ago, we had an "Articles for Deletion" vote against RobSmith being able to delete one of my essays and RobSmith lost the vote 3 to 1 and if memory serves DavidB4 voted in favor of the essay not being deleted.

With Karajou aboard, it will be a 4-1 vote. And I am sure I could get other Conservapedians to vote my way also.

Now RobSmith wants to revote. This is unreasonable. He's wasting our time and should be creating content.

Sincerely,

User: Conservative

I am referring to this article: Essay: Russian war crimes in Ukraine. Conservative (talk) 07:08, October 3, 2023 (EDT)

Request for your vote at: Conservapedia:AFD Essay:Russian war crimes in Ukraine

At Conservapedia:AFD Essay:Russian war crimes in Ukraine please vote in the following manner:

This is a time wasting revote. There needn't be another vote. We already voted on this matter less than a month ago. User: RobSmith lost the vote by a 3 to 1 margin. He is wasting our time.

Your vote on this matter would be very helpful. Conservapedia is not a dictatorship where a wanna-be tyrant can demand a revote less than 30 days later.

By the way, this is what RobSmith recently said about capitalism:

"Fascism is both socialism and capitalism; and User:Conservative is glad to have Karajou back to defend User:Conservative's brand of "capitalism". RobSGive Peace a Chance! 22:06, October 2, 2023 (EDT)"

Thank you very much for your past editing at Conservapedia. Conservative (talk) 09:00, October 3, 2023 (EDT)

The Babylonian Talmud

Hi Telling, I recall a while ago reading and watching conservative Christian lecturers and activists explain that according to the Babylonian Talmud, God finally sent the Great Flood because the sinful majority of mankind allowed same-sex "marriage." Is this true, and if so, which specific section in the Talmud says this? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 00:40, October 5, 2023 (EDT)

Before I look it up, first of all, the wording in Genesis 6:12 includes this... among other...

It's not in the main structure of the Talmud but in a Midrash (Vayikra Raba 23). But it's again, an interpretation of the verse I quoted. As the Talmud is an expansion and interpretation of the Tanakh (What Christians call OT). Tip, I must add a point re the Talmud. At times, it might be complicated to clarify certain phrases for someone who is not used with its termonlohy and context.Telling (talk)

Huh, so the conservative Christian argument about the Talmud allegedly saying "marriage contracts for same-sex couples led to the Great Flood" might be a misleading, exaggerated quote mine after all? I see. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 01:28, October 5, 2023 (EDT)

I meant that as a general rule. But in this case, per the Midrash sentence, it seems, it was one of the causes and the Talmud expands on the robbery affect too.Telling (talk)

It was the unavenged murder of Cain, a bad tree cannot bring forth good fruit, and all Cain's descendants perished in the flood. Immediately afterward, God laid down the law (long before Moses), "Whoever sheds man's blood by man shall his blood be shed." RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:14, October 5, 2023 (EDT)

Yes dear RobSmith, Cain indeed repented.Telling (talk)

Digression a bit: the Book of Daniel

Another point since I'm asking about the Talmud: is there any basis, at least from your perspective, to suspect that the Talmud attempts to discredit the Book of Daniel to a certain extent since chapter 9 foretells the coming of the Messiah? For example, it appears that Daniel isn't listed as a prophet.

And the other argument I've seen is this probably fake quote, propagated by some Christian lecturers like Prof. W. J. Veith (just as a warning: that section of the Veith lecture is kinda harsh and may come off antisemitic):

Now, the actual quote I found is this:

My guess would be that somewhere along the line, one anti-Judaic polemicist within the Seventh-day Adventist Church or wherever decided to "modify" Sanhedrin 97b and the exaggerated quote was either fabricated or accidentally misread as belonging to "page 978" since "B" looks like "8." —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 01:36, October 5, 2023 (EDT)

In General, any interpretations, Chabad is reliable, Sefaria - not always. In some cases they distort. As to misinterpreting texts in Talmud in order to use it to rationalize already-established-hate, that is unfortunately old news.

You quoted one location about not to calculate. However, I'll add just about the difference of opinions in Talmud as to "calculate " or not - end of times, the fear is that one might interpret a certain calculation wrongly and when it doesn't happen he will have doubts in faith. At the end of the day. It is concealed. Maimonides concludes.Telling (talk)

[EC] Ah, I see; interesting. Well then, the quote with the "may his memory rot from off the face of the earth forever" phrase must almost certainly be an antisemitic fabrication. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 02:12, October 5, 2023 (EDT)

There are also differences of opinion if that prohibition applies today. In actuality, many rabbis, post Talmud-writing Era did engage in calculations. I will reiterate my above sentence about understanding the Talmud. And sure, some language may sound hard. The phrase that you just stated is actually a Biblical phrase - Proverbs 10:7 about bad people.Telling (talk)

I also did not know that before either; I still got my Tanakh reading to finish up on. :) —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 02:24, October 5, 2023 (EDT)

This is not the only phrase or idea that some mistakenly attributed to the Talmud - while stated in the Bible. On the other hand, without the Talmud, one might understand the Bible wrongly, such as an "eye for an eye..." I will humbly pre-empt and add, that I can not promise that I will be able to answer everything, here re Talmud.Telling (talk)

Amalek

Hi Telling, from an Old Testament standpoint, would you contend that Hamas functions as modern-day Amalek? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 22:58, October 10, 2023 (EDT)

The man is a little bit busy right now with Swords of Iron. Please don't distract him and allow him to do his work. Thank you. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 23:01, October 10, 2023 (EDT)

Hi both. And thanks to RobSmith for his understanding. But to your question LT, the deeper Judaism line is that Amalek isn't limited to a race but to a behavior / ideology. As to defining these particular groups (current Iranian regime /Hamas/PIJ/Hezbollah) of people-ideology as Amalek, Me, little guy, is not authorized in deciding so. But certainly whoever is on the campaign against the Jewish people is at least linked to it.

Telling (talk)

Ah, I see. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 23:44, October 10, 2023 (EDT)

Any thoughts on this essay I wrote?

See: Essay: Hitler was a Communist in early 1919 —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 08:43, October 20, 2023 (EDT)

Will take a look when freed. God bless.

Alright, sounds good; may the Lord likewise bless you! —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 18:50, October 20, 2023 (EDT)

Interesting. I only searched a bit so far, and ccording to this, by Sept/1919 he began to pick on Bolshevism..Telling (talk)

To reiterate my point from the essay, this fact, along with Goebbels's Marxist sympathies, hilariously undercuts the whole Nazi campaign against "Judeo-Bolshevism." The Nazis believed that Communism was a "Jewish conspiracy"; since the Nazis had extensive Communist roots, I guess they, by their own logic, were a "Jewish conspiracy" after all! Antisemites always turn out to be such astounding geniuses, eh? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 11:26, October 31, 2023 (EDT)

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Sincerely,

User: Conservative Conservative (talk) 14:28, October 28, 2023 (EDT)

Thanks. Nice. Telling (talk) 23:17, October 28, 2023 (EDT)

My two cents: Ignore it. it's a conspiracy of trolls to take over the wiki. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 23:31, October 28, 2023 (EDT)

Don't listen to the disgraced RobSmith. It is an association designed to ensure editors are civil. If that is a "conspiracy", I am a proud conspirator. And RobSmith, you just peed all over this carpet. MayGodBless (talk) 02:50, October 31, 2023 (EDT)

Wud I tell ya? Don't get mixed up with these trolls. And you, MGB, I'm watching you closely for harassment and disruption of editor's work. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 02:58, October 31, 2023 (EDT)

I am simply trying to get others to join a collaborative project, as encouraged by Conservapedia:Guidelines#Team CP and CP Civility Association. MayGodBless (talk) 03:02, October 31, 2023 (EDT)

Telling, just to inform you on the whole RobSmith debacle, it's indeed RobSmith who's the problem. If you don't believe me just yet, check out this instance where RobSmith posted a link to a neo-Nazi website. Not only that, but last year he defended the neo-Nazi, white supremacist "Great Replacement" theory and even promoted it. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 11:31, October 31, 2023 (EDT)

I respect all of you. May God bless you all. I have my hands full as of now...Telling (talk)

I sent you an email a while ago

Hopefully you received it, Telling? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 15:54, November 3, 2023 (EDT)

I haven't used that email in a while. Wishing you a great blessed weekend.Telling (talk)

You as well, Telling; hope you have a blessed Sabbath! —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 16:50, November 3, 2023 (EDT)

Thanks so much, hopefully, in the future, will get some time to certain enmails add.Telling (talk)

Your friend

User:Dianne3000 should be good to go. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:33, November 6, 2023 (EST)

Will forward. Cheers.

Yemen/Houthi

If this Yemen/Houthi/Red Sea conflict heats with US involvement (which apparently is happening), do you want to cover it?

• Two Strategic War Fronts to Watch – The First to Be Announced Tomorrow

You can have full editorial discretion and control.

In the Ukraine conflict, I've lost about half my sources cause of their rabid anti-Israeli stances (Scott Ritter for example). But it's compensated for by the MSM being a bit more open and truthful about what's happening there. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 23:27, December 18, 2023 (EST)

HI.

You have a point. Maybe it needs a special page. As US/UK and ithers formed an anti Houthi coalition. So far it is covered in Swords of Iron under 'Opetation+' The bigger picture is of course - the Islamic Republic Mullahcracy of Iran terror-empire controlling -

-Hamas. (Turkey and Qatar are only hosting and propgating for them. All Turkish official media like TRT/Andolu and Qatar through its Al jihadzeera).

-Hezbollah.

-Houthis.

-Bases in Syria.

-Militias in Iraq.

As I refrain from posting on Ukraine war I would just add that in Israel, I understand, they're very disappointed how anti American sentiments permitted Putin for hackers and bots to propagate for against Israel in this current war)

Telling (talk) 05:16, December 19, 2023 (EST)

I think propaganda hasn't been considered "material support" like weapons as in the past, but information warfare and the propaganda war are changing that.

I think you and I understand where the lines are drawn better than many others. I just don't want to see a total worldwide conflagration with the US against Russia and China. It was a colossal blunder to provoke war with Russia. It only drew Russia and Iran closer. 12:39, December 19, 2023 (EST)

The formal name is Operation Prosperity Guardian. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 12:42, December 19, 2023 (EST)

Of course we don't want (such) war.Telling (talk)

Take a glance at this: it tells of added time and costs to global supply chains, or the reduction in trade, by using alternate routes to the Red Sea. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 22:03, December 19, 2023 (EST)

I see, Denmark is to join too. Still developing. . Shall we wakt and see if it becomes very seriously confrontational? So far it can be only a deterrent campaign.Telling (talk)

I got enough stuff to begin an outline. According to Larry Johnson (no fan of Netanyahu), Aegis missiles cost somewhere between $500,000 and $2 million, but that's what they got to shoot down $5,000 drones (which likely will be used in swarms). Seems hopeless, and just a propaganda show of force ploy at this point. I got a bad feeling about all of it. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 15:55, December 20, 2023 (EST)

Here's what I'm thinking: we should start the page with the economic stuff, given that closure of the Red Sea and Suez will have a long term global, inflationary effect due to disruption of supply chains (the source I posted tells how a ship can only make 4 runs a year by detouring around the Cape of Good Hope rather than 5 through Suez, etc). This seems the best hope, rather than military confrontation that the US Navy has a high risk of getting its butt kicked. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 16:06, December 20, 2023 (EST)

The operational name tells it all: "Prosperity Guardian". The public hasn't been told yet how closure of the Red Sea affects inflation on the supply of everything. Nor how a military confrontation risks destroying American naval supremacy for the foreseeable future. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 16:16, December 20, 2023 (EST)

American Supercarriers - the symbol of American military prowess - are outdated and obsolete. Drones and hypersonics have made them so. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 16:18, December 20, 2023 (EST)

Here's the bind I'm in

• Scott Ritter: The TRUTH is Out on Ukraine and Europe is Self-Destructing.

Ritter has a way of cutting to the quick of the matter. To say he's outspoken is an understatement. The article deserves headline space, but I can't use it. I don't want people hearing his anti-Israel anti-Netanyahu tirades, or recommending him to readers. It was tough enough finding qualified sources and getting them translated into English, and getting around the censorship (and arrests and assassinations). The well has been poisoned. The United States needed Russia as an ally, not just against China, but against 'radical Islamic terrorism'. Our 'leaders' have trapped us into a pointless conflict with Russia for the coming decades. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 17:14, January 5, 2024 (EST)

I am just searching for anyone else who says these lines, more or less (Even in another lang.). As an alternative source.Telling (talk) 21:01, January 6, 2024 (EST)

Last reports I've seen say the IDF lost 3,800 fighters to Hamas 1,000. What are you hearing? RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 22:11, January 6, 2024 (EST)

Latest- "IDF says officer killed in northern Gaza fighting, raising ground operation toll to 176."YNET (That's asides from a few hundreds, part of the 1,200-1,400 victims massacred on Oct 7). And "Up to 9,000 Hamas fighters killed or captured, IDF says."NBC. What sources do you use for news? (Any site linked to Turkey or Iran or Qatar is Hamas propaganda, these countries are their hosts).Telling (talk) 22:59, January 6, 2024 (EST)

I don't remember exactly where I heard the 3,800 figure, it was probably in the past 2 weeks. But I'll relay a link next time I get something from what I deem "credible".

Even John Mearsheimer has turned on Israel (it might have been Mearsheimer on Judge Napolitano's show. He makes a weekly appearance). RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 23:03, January 6, 2024 (EST)

John Mearsheimer was always anti-Israel. Especially since 2006. Of course I know Israel is the underdog. And by a wider extend, Jews. In any case, my usual visitibg sites especially re the M.E. war is conservative JNS (BTW, JNS is also critical on ADL's Greenblatt woke stuff), INN, and at times center leaning I24, or left leaning - Ynet or TOI .Telling (talk) 23:40, January 6, 2024 (EST)

Thanks. I'm going to use those sites. I'm learning by copying from User:Conservative how to build an algorithm to direct Google traffic here. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 23:41, January 6, 2024 (EST)

Great. I appreciate both of you. The first two are conservativeJNS ,INN. And ILH is center leaning. Note. JPost is usually center leaning when it states it's by "Jerusalem Post Staff," but it often posts pure Reuters stuff. Maybe it's automatic. Telling (talk) 00:35, January 7, 2024 (EST)

Yah, well watch this clip and it'll explain what you're dealing with. It's unfair to criticize him cause he was born that way. As to Reuters, when you get the time look over this report, it explains how global media works. Basically, it's all fed through Reuters, AP, and Agence French Presse. They got the planet divied up. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 01:08, January 7, 2024 (EST)

I remember RainMan film...Telling (talk) 01:11, January 7, 2024 (EST)

An adult savant. Grew up in a sheltered environment and never learned proper social interaction. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 01:17, January 7, 2024 (EST)

Notice Bill Gates does the same rocking, and the time stamp is 10 years after the film.

As to his gift, this is one of his algorithms with "up" links, that draw Conservapedia rankings upward when people enter certain terms in search engines. Now look at the Deletion log. He Deleted and recreated the page at 2 minutes to midnight 23:58, 6 January 2024. It's always been a matter of speculation, this bizarre constant deleting and recreating pages minutes later. In this case, he made an error. He deleted and recreated the page again at 15 mins after midnight. Why? Cause he knows Google is always looking for fresh content, so he dated it a day later on January 7. RW editors, who've had extensive interaction with him, call him a "search engine magnate" who boasts of winning a 3rd grade spelling bee. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 02:01, January 7, 2024 (EST)

I personally appreciate both of you. User:RobSmith & User:Conservative. Happy, blessed year to all. Telling (talk)

A prediction? If Trump wins, Iran's global proxies will be deterred at least considerably... Reminding Reagan's first day replacing coward Carter. (After Biden cowing to Iran, it's a bit too late to show strength). I refer to projecting strength without having to use lethal force...Telling (talk) 23:17, January 11, 2024 (EST)

Heads up

• Biden forced to stop funding United Nations Relief Agency after evidence of 12 UNRWA agents participating in Oct 7 terrorist attack against Israel. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 18:56, January 26, 2024 (EST)

Cheers. Big news. [18][19] Following US, UK, Italy, Canada, the Netherlands, Finland, Germany and others suspending UNRWA funding...Telling (talk) 19:06, January 27, 2024 (EST)

This?

• Pakistani Imam Preaches Jew-Hate in Belgian Parliament. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 05:20, February 28, 2024 (EST)

Thanks Zelensky didn't kill himself. Here. (Inicidentally, Aaron Bushnell justified genocide and WaPo says he was anarchist).. Still, recent New poll of US voters finds overwhelming support for Israel over Hamas in Gaza war. BTW The anti Biden campaign by Arab-Islamic lobby (in heavily populated Arab Dearborn MI) which began before Israel entered Gaza... does this help Trump - in reality?Telling (talk)

Good updates. I'll try to work some of it in. The Bushnell matter is a real mess, and may have longstanding implications. Painting him as a confused whackjob (like much of his generation) may be the best bet. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 13:52, February 28, 2024 (EST)

As to Trump, he still has the Abraham Accords to stand on. He's the demonstrated peace candidate. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 13:57, February 28, 2024 (EST)

Yup re Trump. It's also very likely Bushnell had other "issues" and had decided to commit suicide going out with a bang- based on his brainwashed propaganda - koolaid he has been drinking..Telling (talk) 17:50, February 28, 2024 (EST)

As a kid I remember the Burning monk in Saigon, and the confusion it creates in a child's mind. 10 years later, I still didn't quite understand it. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 17:53, February 28, 2024 (EST)

I wasn't around then yet, but I just looked it up, it seems , in contrast to Bushnell, that one was a sincere well-meaning act, (i bet that monk never rationalizing exterminating a people) at least. Because not all suicide missions are to be sen as noble..of course. Like MASADA.. In contrast: Have you heard about the Nazis WW2 POW who refused to be cured via blood transfusion from those who were not purely Aryan or at least not mixed with some percentage of Jews'?Telling (talk)

I think somehow Bushnell was inspired by the burning monk, cause the crap really hit the fan for the next 10 years after that. It was an incredible psyop for those days, with the photo on the front page of every newspaper in America (even today, we see the Bushnell immolation being censored). America was still quite isolationist and anti-interventionist in those days, and the explanation given was, "Well, they're a bunch of crazy Buddhists and rice eaters, so what do you expect?" No mention he was actually protesting the minority puppet regime of the Catholic president Diem, who the CIA whacked a few months later anyhow. All in the name of democracy. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 19:07, February 28, 2024 (EST)

Propaganda 101: Pardon me for running on like this, but I just want to get it off my chest.

The burning monk came on the heels of the Eichmann trial, where you thought you heard the worst of human cruelty. Then as US involvement in the Vietnam war commenced, if you asked, "What are we fighting for?" the answer was "Well, they burn people alive in the streets of Vietnam". If a voice spoke up and said, "That monk was protesting the Western, NATO-backed French Christian 'democratic' regime", they'd be shouted down as "Communist propaganda!" or "Kremlin propaganda!" by media and government. Sound familiar? RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 20:41, February 28, 2024 (EST)

I hear you. I wasn't around then, but, can I offer a slight historical context, that at the time the Communists in its expansion instilled sincere fear. That I say as the bigger picture, without going into each and every event/case.Telling (talk)

That's true. It was a very tense and scarry time. But my interest for a long time has been the role of France, whose history during WWII and until now, as taught in America, is total bunk. America basically was fighting for the Glory of France in Vietnam, which actually was a Nazi ally against the Soviets in WWII. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 22:34, February 28, 2024 (EST)

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Re Ww2 I meant, in 1942, Nazi Order Prohibiting Jewish Blood for Transfusions Causing Death of Many Soldiers. Yet, in 1943 it was revealed, Nazis Use Blood from 40,000 Jewish Children for Wounded German Soldiers .. another contradiction, just as they coddled with non-Aryan Arab Mufti for strategic purposes...or it was one order for the little guy while the leadership has a pass..much like Hamas leaders who sit on sofas in Qatar..enjoying life.Telling (talk)

Oh yah, sorry. I forgot to mention heard something about this years ago. I will go over your links carefully. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 19:46, February 28, 2024 (EST)

Okay, went through all the primary source material, and have a question for clarity: the "Palestine administration" that refused entry of the Strume would be the same as the "British mandate", correct? RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 22:30, February 28, 2024 (EST)

Of course. The Brits were the bosses of Palestine after overpowering the Turks in 1915 till 1947. There was never an Arab Palestine state there.... thr same Brits who employed the White Paper in 1939 restricting Jewish immigration under Arab pressure Telling (talk) 04:31, February 29, 2024 (EST)

To paraphrase Metternich - literally - Palestine is a geographical expression. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 04:35, February 29, 2024 (EST)

Israel [Eretz Yisrael] was named Palestine by the Romans to erase Jewishness...

Re the restrictions on Jewish immigration: Excerpt from a 1944 article by a Rev. The Canadian Jewish Chronicle - Sep 15, 1944 - Pages 27-28 "The Forgotten Ally." By Rev. Eric D. Errey, (Brandon, Mann) (United Church of Canada).

...The world has never been adequatly informed about the many Jews who fought with the British 8th Army from Alamein and on. When the great offensive was planned to begin at El Alamein, General Montgomery felt that it would a useful strategy to deploy a group of commandos behind the enemy lines at Bardia, So 85 commandos were chosen for this arduous task, and every one of them Jew! These 85 Jewish commandos were taken by British warships to the chosen spot, set ashore, and within a short time, and coinciding with the attack of the 8th Army, these 85 Jews captured Bardia with 9,000 prisoners! Holding on long enou'gh to hand over the great booty - the to the victorious 8th Army as it raced through.

Time does not permit tell of all the other exploits of Jewish soldiers and guerillas, of the capture, for example, of Fort Courand in French Syria by a handful Jewish civilians armed with rifles and other ...small arms, thus opening the way to Australians in their offensive against Vichy Syria.

All the world over the Jewish people have suffered at the hands of Hitler and all other people everywhere who are moved like Hitler by racial intolerance and sometimes very hatred. And all the world over, no people have been more ready to fight against Hitlerism than the Jews. And yet, these people continue to be misunderstood and misused by those who ought to be their friends, which the Jewish people of the world seek. First, they seek a Homeland... It was promised to them after the last war. On the basis of that promise some half a million Jews went into Palestine following the last war. They made Haifa into the third largest harbor in the Mediterranean. They built Tel Aviv into a city of 200,000 where thirty years before nothing but sand dunes lay. They transformed the agriculture of the country and reclaimed the desert. Surely a stirring story of two decades of hard work to turn the desert into a garden. But those were the decades, too, especially towards the end of the period, when appeasement was going strong.

And the final act of appeasement was done in May 1939, when the British government issued its White Paper, to appease the Pro-Nazi elements among the Arabs, led by the Mufti of Jerusalem, who even now is, cavorting somewhere in Germany with his other Nazi friends. Surely the time has once and for all we should be done with all policies of appeasement. After the last war, the Arabs received sovereignty over more than 1,200,000 square miles. The Jews were promised their ancient homeland of Palestine, a small area of 10,500 square miles west of the Jordan. There is no justification whatever for Arabs or anyone else trying to deny this small territory to the Jewish people. Dr. Walter Lowdermilk, the noted American agricultural expert, recently stated that in the Jordan Valley alone, room could be found for at least 4,000,000 new immigrants, without disturbing in any way Palestine's present population. The stumbling block has been right along the effort to appease a nazi-loving minority and perhaps too, the imperialistic dreams of a few people in high places. In a world that everywhere reluctant to admit or to keep the Jews in large numbers, surely the logical and the right course would be let hem re-establish themselves in their historic Homeland in an adequate way.

The Jewish people also, I am sure would welcome the day when other people come to see them as plain, ordinary citizens like the rest of us, having the good qualities that are found in all men, and sometimes the stains that all. The world needs more sympathy and more understanding between its various peoples and racial groups.

Speaking the other day to a friend in this city, he told me that in the many years during which he has worked for Jewish employers, he has always found them kindly and sympathetic...

See the ending of his piece about the negro girl in Columbus..."Telling (talk)

Much reading, but I assure you I will digest it all. I love primary source material.

The piece by Adolf Berle caught my eye. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 15:11, February 29, 2024 (EST)

This happened in Ukraine, as reported in Jan/1942 before the world knew the real half of the scope of the Holocaust. Mothers committed suicide rather than to fall in the torturers hands...Telling (talk)

Hello again, Telling

I see you greatly missed me, and so I changed my mind about total retirement. It is unlikely that I will be hyper-active here anymore as I once was, though perhaps you may notice my presence from time to time, at the very least. Times change, but lasting friendships remain! —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 09:52, March 10, 2024 (EDT)

That is so nice. It's so great hearing from you. Hope you have a great time (short or long).Telling (talk)

Thanks; I plan on sticking around here in the long run, come to think of it. I know how painful it is to see longtime Conservapedian brethren leave; when Dataclarifier and IndependentSkeptic left, it broke my heart. But the good news of everlasting hope is that the Lord is near to those who have a broken heart, and saves those who have a crushed spirit. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 16:51, March 10, 2024 (EDT)

I won't say that I'm too familiar with the mentioned users but I do understand/get what you're saying. Amen on Psalms 34:18. And in: 147:3 "He heals the brokenhearted and binds up their wounds." Welcome back.Telling (talk)

[EC] Ah yes, DC and IS left in late 2020 (around a few months before you joined Conservapedia), if memory serves me right. And thank you once again, Telling; after all these months of Conservapedialessness, I'm back with more zealous fervor than (almost) ever!

I definitely need to reread Psalms many times; I finally just checked it out in full yesterday, and there's nothing like a peaceful afternoon Sabbath study. Truly the word of Elohim is inspirational like nothing else! —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 17:17, March 10, 2024 (EDT)

Well, speaking about ststrength... Isaiah 40:31 ... welcome!!Telling (talk) 02:38, March 11, 2024 (EDT)

:) I read through Isaiah in full once and it's quite a difficult book to comprehend. One day I'll get there though! —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 05:23, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith the Lord -All four gospels begin with Is:40. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 10:34, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

Interview

[20] RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 19:42, March 10, 2024 (EDT)

Thanks Rob.

I'm surprised the description includes 'Russia' too, when at the clip there is no mentioning of Russia, but Iran is.Telling (talk) 12:08, March 11, 2024 (EDT)

That's right. The interviewer, Gardner has 1.5m followers. While he genuinely has a very good program with guests MSM won't interview, I kinda think he's somewhat of a lightweight in his understanding of geopolitical issues. Then again, he knows how to promote his channel to get 1.5m followers, so he probably does tricks like that to get the views. Who knows? is he sometimes deliberately deceptive, is biased, or just naive? He kinda reflects the attitudes of much of the public that has turned to alternative media. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 18:37, March 11, 2024 (EDT)

Personally, from what I saw in the clip, this Gardner seems to be a conservative Christian..am I right?Telling (talk)

Yah, that's a good description, but he doesn't wear it on his sleeve. He does a good job of "pretending" to be neutral. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 18:44, March 11, 2024 (EDT)

What are your thoughts .. / missions / terminology

As you perhaps may be at least somewhat familiar, Chaitkin was a major figure in the LaRouche movement. He made some very harsh statements against B'nai B'rith and the ADL on pro–Mosaic Judaism grounds, arguing that the former was a pro-Confederate, anti-Torah, racist, white supremacist–sympathizing, and blasphemous organization founded by non-observant (and "Jewish" in the strictest nominal terms) Freemasons, and that it even participated in the first and second incarnations of the Ku Klux Klan. And the LaRouchies also accused the ADL of fomenting KKK and Nazi chaos.

Normally, it's easy to dismiss those writers as strange, fringe kooks with pointlessly wild imaginations, though Chaitkin, of a pro–civil rights background (his father was a leading strategist for the American Jewish Congress in the boycott against Nazi Germany), doesn't seem at all to be the usual leftist "self-hating" Jew, but rather a sincere apologist for the traditional values of Jewry against what supposed blasphemous perversions which he sees as being manifested in B'nai B'rith and the ADL. I know next-to-nothing about B'nai B'rith, though the ADL seemed to have shot themselves in the foot by defending George Soros and seeming to downplay the Nazi menace in Ukraine.

Personally, from the parts of history I solidly understand, my main problems with the LaRouchies so far is that a) their assessment of the Second KKK as a "conservative revolution," and b) their argument of FDR's New Dealism as the citadel of democratic freedom in the continuation of the Radical Republican spirit, are laughably inaccurate. The Klan in the 1920s, after all, was an outgrowth of the Progressive Movement and its immigration restrictionist agenda was in line with the xenophobic "reactionary" nationalism of leftist labor unions, endorsing the white supremacist Johnson–Reed Act just as the AFL did. And FDR's New Deal agenda was barely an exemplification of "liberalized" racial shifts (FDR gave zero support to the Anti-Lynching Bill of 1937 because he was too busy seeking Southern Democratic support for his court packing agenda) nor antifascism, as his administration up until cir. 1936–38 was filled with Italian Fascist sympathizers and consistently maintained a comprisal of antisemites like Cordell Hull.

What would be your perspective on these matters? Any insights you have would be highly appreciated for further pondering/investigation as I conduct my own independent research into the so-called "New World Order." (I so far read portions of Emanuel M. Josephson's book The Federal Reserve Conspiracy & Rockfellers, which aside from its shoddy narrative of Reconstruction, otherwise is interesting) —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 05:52, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

Before getting into it, if time permits, let us first clarify, specific criticism on ADL is valid, but once a person starts to undermine this entire institution's 'credibility' (by conspiracies or cherry picking) that is not only just a red flag. Not to mention if one also tries to undermine B'nai B'rith. And KKK as a "conservative revolution" is not just a detail.

The simply undeniable facts are, these two institutions were born out of pure Jew hatred. Admittedly conservatives (including yours truly) are upset by liberal trend that has infected in some statements put out by ADL's leadership in recent years - going awry from its original noble purpose. One thing is clear, once one 'swims' into conspiracies the 'default' boogeyman (not just "space lasers") is always the same... 'nuff said... Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that I believe every manipulating statement put out by Obama or Biden administration ...for example.Telling (talk)

Alright, I see what you mean, and thanks for your input as always, Telling. As for the ADL's leftward swing, I personally am just rather disappointed. For instance, on the issue of abortion, the ADL selectively harps over a few "right-wing" antisemites and mentions nothing about Planned Parenthood's original antisemitic associations (Sanger appointed KKK proto-Nazi Lothrop Stoddard to the ABCL), last I checked (correct me if I'm wrong). At least from what I'm noticing, the ADL's promotion of pro-abortion politics only adds fuel to pernicious antisemitic propaganda that blames "the Jews" for the abortion industry. And as someone who grew up in a semi-authoritarian and occasionally semi-racist culture, I'm resentful of any racial identity politics (whether it's white supremacy or neo-Marxist wokeism) and especially people who use their ethnic/cultural background to justify immorality. Surely there were at least some Jewish organizations which spoke out against this type of blasphemy? It breaks my heart seeing devout, Torah-observant, socially conservative Orthodox Jews viciously getting attacked by "right-wing" antisemites who spout malicious lies claiming Judaism/Jewry is equatable to left-wing social anarchy.

Oh, just so you know... I no longer identify as a conservative. After years of betrayal and cold shoulders by conservatives, especially by administrators on this wiki, I see "conservatism" as a preservation of amoral, indifferent shilling for self-preserving aristocratic elitism. I became a conservative thinking conservatives fully cared about justice and mercy, only to be proven wrong over and over. I still believe in much/all of the basic social and economic conservative principles, though morally and conscientiously refuse to remain identifiable with "conservatism" anymore.

Maybe I'm a bit crankier than I used to be... my patience with this world's stupidity is running low. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 13:49, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

In any organization, be it for-profit, non-profit, or a government agency, look at the helm. The CEO, President, Chairman or whatever has immense power to steer the organization in whatever direction. Compare Twitter under Elon Musk to Jack Dorsey, the US under Trump & Biden, the direction the Heritage Foundation has taken in recent years, etc. ADL's current leadership has basically made the ADL a subsidiary of the DNC & its media apparatus. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 14:06, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

I get you. Of course abortion issue should NOT be included in ADL statements it has nothing to do with its mission. This does not take away from their good overwhelmingly part in fighting hate. Much of woke is intolerance - actually. Some terminology might change per events. (Take Antifa for instance, look what caveat a added: past vs present. At the Nazism which I often write is related to the REAL ORIGINAL Nazism Today in age, by in large, the strongest affinity with Hitler is in the M.E. and especially at Palestinian Arabs, not about some politically motivated comparisons calling someone a Nazi..)

Good points. Very good points. Several editors here did yeoman's work in demonizing the contemporary antifa. But when its full history (pre-war, wartime (Red Orchestra), post-war East German, and post-Cold War American) is written and known, impressions can change. Same with Nazism. Football hooliganism is contemporary European Nazism, but in Ukraine these football hooligans are the grandchildren of WWII Nazis, instilled with the same pride and prejudices of their grandfathers. American Nazism isn't worth going into in this limited space. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 18:09, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

But Judea Christian core basics as mentioned by R. Reagan or D. Prager are there. God bless you - Dear both.Telling (talk) 15:40, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

Thanks; and I'm glad to see that we're largely on the same page here; the ADL, objectively speaking, definitely does plenty of good work fighting and exposing virulent antisemites out there, though isn't without its faults in that it too often seizes opportunities to promote woke/neo-Marxist narratives on social issues. As for Antifa's historical validity... hmm, perhaps this is a highly cynical extent of, per se, pragmatic outlook, but consider Hegel's philosophical positing of "thesis" and "antithesis."

European Jews, hounded, herded, and massacred in pogroms carried out by right-wing monarchists, were manipulated by the temptation of secular Marxist Communism to overthrow intolerant "Christian" theocracies. Then the fractional amount of "Jewish" participation in Bolshevism became seized upon by so-called "anti-Communist" propaganda blaming the entirety of Marxist Communism on "the Jews." Every subsequent Communist misdeed is exploited to blame the Jews, who are increasingly pushed to join the Marxist wing of the left; every Nazi/Fascist crime is seized upon to justify the validity of the Communist-filled "Antifa" as a necessary counter-movement pushback. See how the cycle just spirals itself into more and more chaos? Hegelian dialectic, from my increasing observation, is the systematic model for (planned?) political circumstances.

Now yes, the old "Antifa" did genuinely oppose Fascists/Nazis in various instances. And yet, it should be remembered that the Communists were never sincere to begin with, instead taking orders from Stalin's Comintern. In the Communazi Era, the commies were suddenly convenient enablers Nazism. And even before then, the German KPD in the Berlin transport strike openly collaborated with the NSDAP rank-and-file in a coordinated scheme that depleted the SPD coalition majority in the 1932 elections, paving the way for the chaos allowing Hitler's ascension. It would have otherwise been much, much harder for that Austrian degenerate to become chancellor, had it not been for the *convenient* red/brown front in Berlin that pushed the trade unionist vote from the SPD to the KPD. And Stalin ordered the KPD commies from the top-down to align with the Nazis instead of the Social Democrats. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 20:52, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

Putin is a true Antifascist, not the white rabble punks and wannabe gangbangers roaming the streets of Portland. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 21:03, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

Pro-Kremlin neo-Nazi militia inciting the torture and murder of Ukrainian prisoners —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 21:20, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

Look at your source. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 22:13, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

Here's another: Dmitry Utkin, the Nazi-tattooed commander who gave Wagner its name —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 22:20, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

(ec) Now, that's not to say an atrocity by a militia group didn't happen. It's the "Pro-Kremlin" line this is obvious propaganda from that source. There's much about war that Americans are naive about. Particularly the hybrid insurgency the Ukraine war is headed once the AFU is defeated in the field and NATO exhausted. A local militia looking for "payback" against the Kiev regime isn't necessarily "Pro-Kremlin". RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 22:24, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

Ha! CP's hybrid war article even names your source, Guardian, the source of the "Pro-Kremlin" headline, as a conduit through hybrid wars are conducted (I also saw you quoted Newsweek somewhere recently). IOWs, moral of the story is, you need to do some background reading on sources before using your sources. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 00:03, March 13, 2024 (EDT)

Put succinctly, you don't want to be making these gigantic copy pasta salads, like User:Cons does, that go rancid over time. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 00:08, March 13, 2024 (EDT)

[EC] As much as Putin may be fighting Ukronazism, his own record isn't entirely clean. If he's a true antifascist, why is he endorsed by a ton of neo-Nazis and various other white supremacist antisemites alike, i.e. "Veterans Today" (VT is just a downright stupid website at the end of the day; also, they're connected to SouthFront), Daily Stormer, David Duke, and Nick Fuentes? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 22:31, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

Fuentas is just an idiot with no discernable Russian connections, so let's just leave him out. The rest are simple English language propaganda sites tailored to the English-speaking world and a receptive American audience (just like CIA does in Russian, Chinese, Arabic, etc). Southfront I'd put in somewhat of a different class than just a "propaganda" outlet. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 22:39, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

Stormer, Duke, & Fuentas are what the FBI would call lone wolves; Duke and the Daily Stormer don't even meet "useful idiot" status for the Kremlin like Fuentas could or might. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 22:46, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

[EC] As for Fuentes, maybe not Russian connections... but something tells me that he is a clandestine stooge belonging to the category of Jesuitical agentur. Emanuel M. Josephson said, "wherever a totalitarian movement erupts, whether Communist or Nazi, a Jesuit can be found in the role of 'adviser,' or leader." ("The Federal Reserve Conspiracy & Rockefellers," p. 72) Think about it: if Fuentes was nothing more than an average college dropout degenerate goon, why does he have such ridiculous influence within the "far-right" populist faction of the GOP? [21][22] The simpler answer is that Fuentes is an ultramontanist stooge for classical Romanism, and his little "Groypers" movement is nothing more than a subsidiary of Jesuitical aims. There is nothing new under the sun. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 22:50, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

Fuentas I'd call a lone wolf opportunist, apparently with good communication skills to reach a niche audience, working for nobody but himself. I tried watching him once or twice and saw where he was getting his information from, but didn't like the spin he was putting on it. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 23:01, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

It's easy to perceive so-called "far-right" extremism as organically spontaneous bursts of anarchy, but history shows that such movements are just about always fomented by Jesuitical agentur. For instance, a group of Argentina neo-Nazis in the post-WWII era were ideologically advised/controlled by the antisemitic Jesuit Fr. Julio Meinvielle. Two fantastic authors on this topic would be Leo H. Lehmann (Behind the Dictators) and Edmond Paris (Secret History of the Jesuits). —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 23:11, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

Well, the Jesuits never had much of an operation or influence in Russian civilizations, so I don't know what relevance it would be. Same with the whole "left-right spectrum scale" in Russia - it's imported from outside. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 23:15, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

[EC] No influence in Russia? Hmm... Lehmann posits that the Protocols were a Jesuit plot to create the false illusion of a "Judeo-Masonic" threat as anarchy/"thesis" so Fascist/Nazi antisemitism could be subsequently justified as reaction/"antithesis." (okay, to be fair, the emphasis on thesis/antithesis is my own phrasing for purely clarification purposes) This implies that the Protocols were disseminated by clandestine Jesuitical agentur which infiltrated Tsarist inner circles. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 23:20, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

It is an interesting subject for another time and place. I don't want to get deep in the weeds in theoretical historical machinations. My understanding has been the consensus view among historians is the Protocols were a forgery by the Okhrana (the same guys who started the war by arming Serbian terrorists), but I really don't know. Why a bunch of French and Italian Jesuits would want to topple their ally, the House of Romanov, I have no idea. Let's be polite to our host, Telling, and let him decide if he wants us to continue this line of discussion here or take it elsewhere. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 23:39, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

That's fair. I suppose I'll avoid continuing to comment in this section unless Telling gives a further reply here. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 00:03, March 13, 2024 (EDT)

As to the late Dmitry Utkin, we need a bio page, but I'd be leery about most Western sources. As to his demise, I can explain why Putin had him whacked. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 22:30, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

The problem with Utkin is, even in Russian MSM & social media, he's a mysterious character. If I put the time in, I could probably find something semi-credible from Russian sources. Most that is commonly circulated in the West is made up by Polish intelligence. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 23:12, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

At that particular time: 1939-1945 in History, Hitler was worse. But of course Stalin was horrific and diabolical.Telling (talk) 21:43, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

Nazism is always a magnitude (or a few) worse than Communism; many people become commies out of stupidity, but Nazism is pure hatred at its worst. For broader clarification purposes if I perhaps wasn't initially concise, my argument is that Comintern agentur paved the way for the atrocities of the Third Reich via the 1932 red/brown front. Thousands of SA recruits, if not tens or hundreds of thousands, were former KPD rotfronters, hence "beefsteak Nazi" (brown on the outside, red on the inside). The Night of the Long Knives decimated the organizational leadership of the SA, but the rank-and-file remained. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 22:00, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

Yup. From the always eloquent LT.

Glad to see you appreciate my analysis; I always enjoy opportunities to share information on important historical topics so one can truly get to the bottom of everything. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 22:22, March 12, 2024 (EDT)

BTW, The women fighting Blevin in a small town (Enid, OK) are no "lefty radical antifa", Blevins seems to be The real McCoy of a Hitlerist. With posts "he mentioned Hitler admiringly." I quote from the Republican mayor

In a private meeting in November with Blevins, the city manager and the city attorney, Mason asked: “Was that you in Charlottesville? Is that you in those photographs? Did you write all those hateful text messages?” “Yes,” Blevins said, according to Mason and the city attorney. “Are you still involved with those groups?” Mason asked. “I don’t have to answer that question,” Blevins replied. “My thought,” Mason remembers, was, “You just did.”Telling (talk)

Unfortunately...

...a certain rogue nutjob still insists on endlessly tormenting me [23][24], and the other admin insists on wasting my time to de facto force me into hearing his endless self-boasting. I thought a few days ago that I could perhaps stay around this wiki occasionally, but my hopes of patience is met with reality. [🠆] You can always email me as much as you'd like. [🠄] Sorry to disappoint you yet again so suddenly, Telling; I have too much work to focus on, and I can't let two certain bozos derail a more important task of presenting the light to the ignorant who currently are in the abode of this world's darkness. My current state of life simply has too many daily annoyances to risk further anger issues that will do nothing but trample upon my already-fraught spiritual walk with Elohim.

I'm personally exceedingly sorry; I simply cannot stay in this Orange-Bolshevist sewage whirlpool anymore. A purveyor of the social values of Mosaic Judaism I will remain, but the name of "American conservatism" I now curse as an ideological subsidiary of the prince of Tyre! [25][26] I very much look forward to the day when the names of those antisemitic, Nazi-sympathizing, white supremacist–shilling "right-wing" hypocrites [27][28] forever rot from off the face of the earth.

This is the very last thing I will post on Conservapedia for good; may Elohim be with you always and forever, Telling. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 00:00, March 14, 2024 (EDT)

LT: Don't try to pull other editors into your personal problems. That's exactly what User:Cons does. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 00:17, March 14, 2024 (EDT)

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Dear LT I hope you are successful in your endeavors. Sorry. May God bless you dear friend.Telling (talk) 00:34, March 22, 2024 (EDT)

Interesting read

Dmitri Yarosh

"May 8, 2007 in Ternopol (Western Ukraine), Nazi and Islamist factions create a so-called anti- imperialist front to fight against Russia. Organizations from Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine and Russia participate, including Islamist Crimean separatists from Adygea, Dagestan, Ingushetia, Kabardino-Balkaria, from Karachay-Cherkessia, Ossetia, and from Chechnya. Not able to get there because of international sanctions, Dokka Umarov had his contribution read. The Front is chaired by Dmytro Yarosh, who became, at the time of the coup in Kiev, February 2014, Deputy Secretary of National Security Council of Ukraine." [29](RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself})

All the way back to 2007?Telling (talk)

Ok, here's the updated link from yesterday - same author. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 02:58, March 28, 2024 (EDT)

Thanks. Yes it's updated. Though I remember this French author from his conspiracy book, there is no question that islamists take advantage of any conflict. Even in the beginning of the war there were calls to use the Ukraine Russia conflict. Interesting piece.Telling (talk)

There's a direct link between Ukrainian Nazis and ISIS. That's the point. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 12:43, March 28, 2024 (EDT)

Here's where Larry Johnson and I part ways

[30] "The 7 October attack on Israel was not a “terrorist” attack. While it may have scared the hell out of Israel as a nation, the attack itself was a well-organized military operation that targeted Israeli military installations and sought to take hostages..." Taking civilian hostages isn't terrorism? And there's video footage of outright killing civilians.

Another one is Jackson Hinkle. This is absolutely disgusting (fast forward to about 6 mins in). RobS^{The Truth. Just Putin It Out There} 00:31, May 2, 2024 (EDT)

Sadly I'm all too aware. Jackson Hinkel is no.1 on social media in hate since Oct7 spreading utter falsehoods as far as denying mass rape which even biased UN admitted to.

Another point. You will never find a Jew attacking Arabs outside the conflict zones in the Middle East, whereas Jews are subject to physical attacks all over by Muslims.Telling (talk) 01:59, May 2, 2024 (EDT)

It's the young people who fight the wars. Ultimately, it's their problem. All we adults can do is give them advice. RobS^{The Truth. Just Putin It Out There} 17:55, May 2, 2024 (EDT)

True. BTW Trump: 'We're not letting left-wing morons on campuses take over US'.INN.Telling (talk) 18:09, May 2, 2024 (EDT)

It's being compared to 1968, only there is no draft, they have no skin in the game. Some paid protesters aren't even students. RobS^{The Truth. Just Putin It Out There} 02:22, May 3, 2024 (EDT)

Saw this? MSNBC Host Rips Antisemitic Protesters As “Too Stupid” To Realize They’re Helping Trump[31].Telling (talk)

Breaking

• REPORT: Biden HALTS ammunition shipment to Israel.

This means they're putting the focus back on Ukraine.

It's going to be a long, hot summer. RobS^{The Truth. Just Putin It Out There} 12:25, May 6, 2024 (EDT)