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I've got the power! (Does a couple of slick dance moves)

'RobSmith wrote:' He gave McCarthy and the GOP every excuse to vote for massive defense spending that will have an inflationary effect. Even moreso with de-dollarization. RobSGive Peace a Chance! 22:11, September 23, 2023 (EDT)"

LT wrote: "McCarthy before resolving his dilemma on whether to support continued Ukraine funding: "whew, this User:Conservative guy has some brilliant essays that will 100% influence by decision, and so because of his revelations I'm going to betray MTG after all!" Do you actually believe that? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 22:16, September 23, 2023 (EDT)"

LT, I've got the power! (Does a couple of slick dance moves).

By the way, I plainly say I am against the U.S. funding of the war in Ukraine (See: Essay: How long will the war in Ukraine last and what will its likely outcomes will be? A prediction on its outcomes). Conservative (talk) 22:56, September 23, 2023 (EDT)

Yep, I thought I remember you stating that you oppose Ukraine war funding. RobSmith's Ph.D. in quote-mining really shows sometimes, eh? And I'm glad you liked my humorous response to him. :) —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 23:06, September 23, 2023 (EDT)

I have been cited/quoted/referred to by USA Today, The Chicago Tribune, The Tampa Tribune, a theological scholar, Concerned Women for America, CRU, Penn Jillette, PZ Myers, Kyle Kulinski, Lewis Black and a leading French news outlet.

Kevin McCarthy keeps trying to call me about whether the USA should fund the war in Ukraine, but I blocked his number! Conservative (talk) 23:21, September 23, 2023 (EDT)

🤣 —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 23:23, September 23, 2023 (EDT)

Ah yes, Lewis Black, reminds me of growing up in Wisconsin. Everything he says is true. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 02:25, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

I'd be interested in hearing where Lewis Black credited User:Conservative's work? Was it in the Homosexuality series?, cause obviously Black is a rampant homophobe. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 16:21, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

A request

This is User: Conservative. Andy is going to contact User: RobSmith about the following matter and hopefully RobSmith decides to change his behavior. But if he doesn't, please contact User: Aschlafly about this matter should RobSmith persists.

Below is a post I recently made to User: Aschlafly.

The attacks by a Conservapedia Admin on a current Admin needs to stop completely and if he persists there need to be consequences

One thing I want to add about the current situation of User: RobSmith currently attacking User: Conservative.

RobSmith has been relentlessly attacking me via talk pages (and other pages of Conservapedia) and provoking me to respond to him. While this morning I  made the decision to totally ignore him henceforth, this is unwarranted. I have brought a lot of traffic and publicity to Conservapedia. And currently, I do work for conservative organizations and assist a leading podcast in a beneficial way by inviting some conservatives.  I realize that RobSmith may have all the time in the world to waste vindictively attacking me, but this is very foolish and it needs to stop. 

I updated my bio for Conservapedia and it reflects the work I currently do. And none of it involves the slanderous and false gossip that RobSmith is trying to push such as me allegedly being a bisexual, being a partner in 3-way love affair, attending a church whose pastor is married to a drag queen or being an unethical salesman (I don't even currently work in sales).  

The problem with gossip is that it not only disgraces the tall tale bearer, but it also brings shame to Conservapedia. Recently, a fellow Conservapedian said that fellow conservatives seeing RobSmith's shameful behavior harms Conservapedia's reputation among fellow conservatives.

And the icing on the cake is that User: RobSmith set up Conservapedia:Team CP to supposedly help promote cordiality at Conservapedia. Unsurprisingly, only one Conservapedian joined. And ironically, the one Conservapedian who did join, recently criticized User: RobSmith for his incivility. I believe that RobSmith set up Team CP to make himself look good and to serve as a distraction from his obviously uncivil behavior. Well, it's not working as 5 Conservapedians have commented to me about User: RobSmith's bad behavior.

And if this wasn't bad enough, recently the Admin RobSmith vindictively vandalized the popular article Internet atheism which has over 87,000 page views created by User: Conservative and removed over 50,000 bytes of content from the article. An Admin is supposed to stop vandalism at Conservapedia - not create it!

Here is my update to my bio on Conservapedia's page on Conservapedia just to make things perfectly clear:

The User:Conservative account has contributed the majority of content to the extremely popular Atheism, evolution, and homosexuality articles. User: Conservative's work has been cited/quoted/referred to by the Los Angeles Times, USA Today, The Chicago Tribune, The Telegraph, The Tampa Tribune, Concerned Women for America, CRU, WorldNetDaily, Shockofgod, Penn Jillette, PZ Myers, Kyle Kulinski, Lewis Black, and a leading French news outlet. The PNN News and Ministry Network produced a video entitled Viral article deals major blow to atheism. The book Atheist Persona: Causes and Consequences by John J. Pasquini, Th.D, cites Conservapedia's Causes of atheism article several times. [1] Currently, User: Conservative is a Producer for a politics/social commentary/investigative reporting podcast that is among the top 1/2 percent of podcast in popularity and he has obtained interviews from best-selling authors, academics, filmmakers, political activists and religious figures. He also provides and/or has provided digital marketing services for a company, some leading nonprofits and a church in addition to being a writer who writes content for popular articles on the internet.

I trust this information helps clarify matters. And by the way, Andy knows these things are true just in case the gossiper RobSmith should wish to contend my bio. Conservative (talk) 08:09, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

Yes, I know. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 11:48, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

"An Admin is supposed to stop vandalism at Conservapedia - not create it!"

Page Protect is for stopping vandalism - not insulating yourself from discussion. User:Conservative has done nothing to use Page Protect to stop vandalism at Conservapedia for 16 years. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 13:10, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

Conservapedia is not a mobocracy. Spamming personal attacks across Conservapedia against another editor to organize a mob is a violation of multiple CP Guidelines. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 13:14, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

Conservative has protected numerous of his page creations against vandalism by evolutionary, homosexualist homosexual-persecuting, angry, sexist, mass murderous, ☭Communist☭, autistic, sadistic, racist, homicidal, depression-filled, alcohol-binging, morally depraved, pornography-addicted, penile cancer–ridden, and otherwise distrusted, cowardly, egg-sucking ☭liberal☭ atheist social outcasts known for their divorce, addiction, sexual satisfaction (well, the lack of), social skills (again, the lack of), dysfunctional beliefs and attitudes, and irrationality, attributable to their worship of the machismo-lacking Richard Dawkins and his cult of personality. Any questions? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 17:54, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) Well yes, that's what Page Protect is for, not for cutting off contact with the outside world on your user talk page to insulate yourself from criticism. He has done nothing to use Page Protect to defend other Conservapedia articles from vandal attacks, using instead the sledgehammar of blocks, like Karajou, and destroying our userbase.

The point is, as I've said for a long time, CP Admin were never trained in the proper use of Admin tools. And discussion was always squashed by the accusation, "You must be one of them!" if you suggested NOT using Blocks, but rather other tested means to fight vandalism. Karajou and Unser:Conservative just got their jollies playing whack-a-mole. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:02, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

Meanwhile, you decided to block me last week for an hour, delaying an important page creation, not to mention your block of me a few months back amidst a dispute over the National Socialism article, doing nothing but to drive me out of the site because your own vendettas are more important. Karajou-baiting won't successfully facilitate you getting away with your debauchery anymore, RobSmith. You fooled me once over two years ago, but not anymore. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 18:07, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

If you go way back to the founding, you will find User:Conservative even Locked discussion pages on article mainspace and Essay talk to avoid criticism or suggestions. When he was forced to open them up, he resorted to Deletion of Talk pages. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:04, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

Yeah, coming from you of all people, who removed my comments for disagreeing with you. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 18:07, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

I rarely, rarely do that. But my judgement was you we being disruptive and trolling in an important discussion. You got a 10 minuite block, and if there was problem as time allowed, we could discuss your intrusion.

It get's tricky; sometimes two editors are in the midst of an exchange, and the habit CP has allowed since the beginning is for anyone to walk in a pee all over the carpet. That needs to stop. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:11, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

Okay, I see your point. Still not going to side with you over Conservative at this point though; since you're supposed to be a realist, I recommend catching up on the latest research into the Putin–U.S./Nazilensky/Biden/Sodomite/globalist/Russophobic/establishment/neofascist war in Ukraine instead of spending more time on a hopeless cause of trying to convince me otherwise. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 18:16, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

The one hour block was escalatory, cause you obviously didn't get the message in two earlier 10 minute blocks. I don't remember the particular circumstances, but it's my habit to reduce an extended block like that to "Time served" once I complete my Admin actions. I apologize, but you should know where and when to stick you nose in, and it's not always immediately to pile on when some big blow up occurs.

Not to say you don't have the right to pile on or stick your nose in, but timing is everything, if you wish to be effective. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:22, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

Alright then, I'll try to keep that in mind. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 18:23, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

Good. I'm training you to be an effective and fair Admin someday (if I had my druthers, it would be now and we could work together, but CP hasn't had a new Admin in over a decade). RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:26, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

Rule of thumb: Think "Will this comment potentially earn me a 10 minute block?" If so, wait 10 minutes. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:41, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

Let me explain it this way: sometimes as an Admin you need to perform two functions at once, for example, post a reply as well as perform an Admin function, like revert/page protect, etc., and you have an ordinarily good faith editor acting hastily. That's what the 10 minute block is for. Sure, it's a reprimand, but it's not like a lifetime block or anything. A one hour block is more disciplinary, "Go stand in the corner and think about what you have done."

You have to see things from other's perspective, like "this guy is just getting a little too excited about a fight breaking out", etc. The Admin or Moderator's task is to keep things running smoothly with a level head. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 23:00, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

Digression on Admin actions

What still gets my goat is when Karajou blocked Ace McWicked's sockpuppet registered under the name User:Stupid. And Karajou still couldn't figure it out, that if left Stupid alone, he never would have had to deal with the problem of sockpuppets again. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:54, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

Lol

Still thinking about himself. More narcissistic personality disorder. "high fliers in an organization"!. Lol!. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 11:03, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

Just out of curiosity

What would make your think Machiavelli is liberal (other than you're trying to make CP look like the Babylon Bee or RW)? Have you been talking with User:Conservative too much? That can do strange things to your mind. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:16, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

Well, based of descriptions of Machiavellianism being unscrupulously manipulative, it sounds like a liberal trait. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 19:22, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

Maybe CP is wrong. Personally, I think it's kinda ridiculous, but I didn't want to revert without hearing what you have to say, so I'll leave it to you. Again, personally, if you think the average conservative student has an IQ of 80, and should stay that way, leave it in. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:27, September 25, 2023 (EDT)RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:26, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

Alright, to my honest admission, that at least partially was just me mildly trolling. You can revert if you want. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 21:10, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

No, you gotta do it yourself (that's the mark of a good Admin, get people to undo their own mistake). Otherwise you make me look like an intolerant strongarm dictator (my middle name is not Karajou, ya know).

In the future when somebody's reviewing the history, they'll say "Ah, this guys a trouble maker, and an Admin had to revert him", but if you do it yourself, they'll think "It was a good faith error and he had enough sense fix it himself". RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 21:41, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

Sorry for the delay - I got some idiot trying to hack now (Jeez, I wonder who it is?) He don't know who or what he's messing with. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:14, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

No worries. I restored the earlier version. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 22:21, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

Good Moderator work - that's how it's done - independently (although I have no objection to whether the template is there or not. Advice: just don't make it personal between you and whatever editor you had to admonish). RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 14:41, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

Maybe we should create a Good Moderator Award for people who know how to and can moderate discussions. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 14:44, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

[EC] In the case of "ConwayIII," my current severity of discipline in a sense serves to balance out my past advocacy for his presence on this site; if you recall two years ago, Conservative sought to ban him for good, though at my diligent urging, he was allowed to stay. However, if he is going to stay, he needs to learn, at least while editing anything on this site, how to abide by virtuous conservative principles and not the low-level characteristics of peak ☭liberal☭ traits. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 14:46, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

As to User:Conservative, he hasn't figured out yet that the 70,000 user accounts he's sought to ban over the past 16 years (or about 4,375 a year or roughly more than 80 per week, or 10 per day, are all the same half dozen users. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:01, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

I think there are moments when vandals are actually random degenerate internet leftists and not specifically RationalWiki goons. I recall once seeing Twitter users boast of vandalizing the site. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 15:31, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

The random degenerates heard from Rationalwiki that Conservapedia does not know how to moderate its site - which is an open invitation to vandals. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:43, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

Yes, and the next moment they launch a vandal attack on Conservapedia, they will be publicly exposed as having been in bed with neo-Nazis. Perhaps that's why RationalWiki has slowly avoided mentioning Conservapedia ever since I returned; they know that I have the receipts against them. Even if they go on damage control and delete incriminating evidence from their site, it's still all there in an internet archive for anyone to find and see. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 15:46, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

What about User:Conservative's ideological kinship with Rationalwiki? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:56, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

Conservative and I were inherently reformists on RationalWiki who tried to turn around their site for the better and were blocked for our efforts. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 16:01, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

I'm talking about his Russophobic neo-Nazi anti-Putinism. He's shared it with Rationalwiki since the beginning. I warned him repeatedly against it, but he ignored me.

Now, one can argue that he really doesn't know what he's talking about and only spews anti-Russian hate cause he likes to mess with me and has done it out of malicious editing, to interfere with my efforts to de-propagandize the conservative movement and the American public. That's his only defense now against charges of being a nazisymp and pro-fascist. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:07, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

"pro-fascist" Oh, so Conservative is advocating the merging of big business and a centralized government under the control of a nationalized federation of labor unions through means of strikes and sabotage? Wow, I had absolutely no idea until now! —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 18:41, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

Look at his sources: [2] they are nothing but Soros-funded neo-fascists and globalists. He's been warned dozens and dozens of times over the past 19 months, and just reverts or deletes the comments. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:14, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

Never forget. And ask, How did this come about? and Why? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:29, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) I just read you posting at Conway talk; IMO, you don't need to sound like Karajou or User: Conservative, so threatening and heavy handed. For example, the threat of a lengthy block. Best to keep 'em guessing that they don't know what next you may do. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 14:49, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

[EC] If I remember correctly, ConwayIII is nothing more than a sock of RationalWiki moderator Rockford the Roe (who was a self-admitted infamous poster on the neo-Nazi site KiwiFarms, which he himself called a terrorist group; yes, by his own admission, Rockford was a member of a terrorist group). I could be wrong, but that is what I recollect from nearly two years ago. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 14:51, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

Don't make it personal or a personality clash - you threaten your own standing by becoming a biased participant. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:06, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

Sorry, I believe in firm justice. This is where we simply will have to agree to disagree on the matter of dealing with potential long-time vandals. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 15:30, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

Carrying a personal grudge is not (or can not be seen in most cases) as "firm justice". RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:39, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

I am believer of the notion that victims best understand how to serve justice sufficiently. If punishments for crimes were decided by the victims instead of a "neutral" judge (Western society is rooted in morally degenerate Pagan Roman values rather than the Jewish compassion, tender mercy, and justice of biblical principles), crime could be solved much more easily when the next mass shooter is flogged a few hundred times and then publicly hanged. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 15:42, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord - Heb 12:14

Now the way the Canadian Parliament went about it is not necessarily the right way.

Sure, I have said tough things about Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, etc. But I am ready to stand before my maker and say I forgive them for any personal grievance. And that what I said was as an advocate for the rest of humanity. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:52, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

Forgiveness does not negate the need for justice. Ahab ultimately repented, and still faced the punishment he deserved. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 16:01, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

“Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?” Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 21:09, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

Ah yes, one of those verses commonly quoted by theological liberals in virtue-signalling posts implying everyone else need to be more "forgiving" in the sense of disregarding the atrocious records of broods of vipers (Matthew 12:34) and children of the devil (John 8:44) nothing short of enemies of all righteousness. (Acts 13:10) I guess Jesus should've just overlooked everything the Judeans did, eh? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Saturday, 22:00, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, Jesus was a liberal now? That's what pocket calculators and smartphones were invented for - so you can keep count of how many times you've forgiven your brother and cut him off (like a gangrenous limb) at the 491st transgression. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:05, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

I'm just going to be straight and clear about the expectations they are to abide by if they wish to remain on Conservapedia. Especially since I don't see ConwayIII contributing much, if any substance to the mainspace, the site has nothing to lose if he ends up choosing to get banned. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 14:55, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

As a Moderator or Admin, it's like talking to a child. You can't get out the stick and beat them to death on the first minor infraction. You have to guide them along, coax them along to behave according to principles that are acceptable to the community or society. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:01, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

I warned ConwayIII last year when he inserted an inappropriate rape comment. He failed to learn from the spanking, so he's going to get seriously grounded next if he refuses to change. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 15:20, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

You got to do it with a loving hand through a series of warnings, etc., and as I said, "keep 'em guessing". No one has kept Conway off this server for 16 years in his various incarnations. Get to know the guy, he's actually pretty funny, and you can have these sparring contests if you chose to interact.

Again, discipline him as you would a wayward child. Help him. Guide him along to the right path. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:39, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

He's made it clear that he's just here to troll with uncivil remarks. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 16:01, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

Beleive it or not, I welcome his criticism; it keeps me in line and from going over the top. I don't follow MSM BS, I have to rely on guys like Conway to keep me informed what delusional messages the public is being inundated with now. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:10, September 29, 2023 (EDT)

Aw, man, c'mon. You spoiled the joke. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:44, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, so you intentionally manipulated the placement of your comments to incorrectly portray my reply as an affirmation of your comment even though (as the timestamp and revision evidence clearly indicates) I was concurring with Conservative. Karajou was right about you. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 18:46, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

You have to have a sense of humor in this business - otherwise you'll end up being an angry person like them other two. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:49, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

It's your fault, anyway, for sticking your nose in where it doesn't belong and giving such a simple answer. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:51, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Keep telling yourself that, and let's see where it gets you when Final Judgment rolls around. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 18:52, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

It's called "piling on". It may feel good when doing it - until it happens to you (which I'm sure has at RW). RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:55, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Piling on, on most websites can be considered incivility and trolling. The three of you are so accustomed to being piled on, that's why all three are so angry, and you're getting your jollies now cause you think you found a victim you can pile on. Your fun won't last. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:00, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

I'm trying to train you to be a good Moderator. You did the right thing today, but again it took coaching.

Them two I don't have much confidence they'll ever learn how to Moderate discussions, cause they don't want to be Moderators, let alone a good, practiced, experienced moderator. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:06, October 1, 2023 (EDT) RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:03, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Please do not engage in victim blaming. MayGodBless (talk) 19:08, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

And furthermore, generally good admins command some measure of respect from others. By your own admission, mobs of people are trolling you, which is a very interesting way to show respect. MayGodBless (talk) 19:11, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

GodBless, Can I ask a personal question? What was your name before you changed it? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:16, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

It has always been MayGodBless. You can see in the rename log. MayGodBless (talk) 19:18, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

oh, ok. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:23, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

WP, as I understand it, no longer has elected admins. Now they have to be nominated to go to some screening school or something before they can stand for election. Is that right? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:26, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

I do not see how that is relevant. I have no clue how WP does its admin stuff. MayGodBless (talk) 20:23, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

WP Adminship used to be a popularity contest, CP admin were appointed. One was bottom up, the other top down. Unlike CP, WP soon discovered Admin needed some schooling and training first before being trusted with Admin tools. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:39, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Article creation suggestion

I would like to see you or someone else create a Modern conservative movement article. I would suggest that the article not be an orphan article by having the article be linked to from our conservative article, some of the founders of the modern conservative movement and our New Deal article (In part, the modern conservative movement was a reaction to the New Deal).

According to Andy, some of the leaders of the modern conservative movement are listed in our Movement conservative article. Conservative (talk) 07:04, September 30, 2023 (EDT)

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You guys will have to wait until after the Sabbath for me to respond in full. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Saturday, 12:11, September 30, 2023 (EDT)

Okay, to respond to Conservative: I am not focused on the modern conservative movement at this point because it's proved an utter failure. Maybe I can still create and/or expand such an article though; since you are requesting it, I'll take it into consideration. And to respond to RobSmith: stop randomly calling people Nazis. You're being utterly pathetic in thinking that I'm going to side with you in this instance over Conservative, after all those times you also called me a Nazi/Nazisymp. Who are you fooling except yourself? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 20:05, September 30, 2023 (EDT)

The return of Karajou soon? If so, this is awesome!

I just noticed this. This is awesome!

People of Conservapedia I have returned. The hour of your redemption from China/Russia cheerleading is here. USA! USA! USA!

I hope this occurs soon. Conservative (talk) 23:36, September 30, 2023 (EDT)

Yep, same here. I just hope he doesn't still harbor acute bitterness towards me. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 23:48, September 30, 2023 (EDT)

Perhaps, Karajou noticed RobSmith reverting my edit saying the U.S. Navy is the most powerful navy in the world. This may have caused him to consider returning to Conservapedia. See RobSmith's EDIT of the article World naval powers. Conservative (talk) 00:11, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

[EC] Hmm, so Karajou was checking a while earlier but not too recently yet to notice my welcome on his talk page? Interesting speculation. I seriously hope he comes back for real so he can overturn RobSmifascism. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 00:14, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

_☭RobSmith_☭ deceived me two years ago into supporting the anti-Karajou coup, and ever since has began to destroy Conservapedia. The best hope now is a return of Karajou to overturn RobSmithism. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 00:19, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

You know how to fix your problem

Don't make me waste my time doing it. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:56, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Be a Moderator for once, again. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 16:08, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Our Conservapedia:Guidelines#Civility are under attack, again. I've already discussed the matter with the big boss. Do your job right. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 16:10, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

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Okay, fine. Don't be surprised if some of your edits on various topics dealing with socialism and fascism get rolled up without discussion first. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 23:03, October 2, 2023 (EDT)

First you accuse me of chasing editors away, and now you want to chase me away again, eh? Careful what you wish for! —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 23:07, October 2, 2023 (EDT)

Hey, you demonstrated you do not fully understand what capitalism, fascism, and socialism is. The sad thing is, not being able to discuss it. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 23:12, October 2, 2023 (EDT)

You need to read, Schumpeter, Capitalism, Socialism, and Democracy. It'll change your life. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 23:14, October 2, 2023 (EDT)

Nice projection effort, pal. And like I said before, my CCP-Japanese conspiracy project will be my definite last major one; while I may work on a few other articles, I currently don't intend on many more mainspace edits. Wait till Andy learns that Conservapedia missed out on a lot more meaningful conservative content because a certain incompetent administrator decided to drive editors out of the wiki who end up pursuing more meaningful endeavors in life. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 23:15, October 2, 2023 (EDT)

Good. Thanks. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 23:23, October 2, 2023 (EDT)

Without me around, let's see who else will actively warn you of the real crisis coming. You were given light, but refused to accept it, reaping for yourself nothing but woes to come. What are you going to do when the International Sunday Law rolls around? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 23:28, October 2, 2023 (EDT)

Re that debunked myth

Quoting a wiseman: 'the simple historic chain of antisemitism - persecution, is testament that the Jews (including from Europe) are linked to the same Jews before the destruction of the 2nd Temple by the Romans.'Telling (talk) 23:04, October 3, 2023 (EDT)

Now hold on, wasn't the destruction of the Second Temple as part of the mass murder of Judeans the Roman reprisal to the insurrection launched by Jewish nationalists associated with the Zealot sect? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 23:06, October 3, 2023 (EDT)

Also, when it comes to pre–70 A.D. antisemitism vs. anti-Jewish persecutions afterwards, there's an important principle tying to the Torah that one needs to understand, though before I go into the point: please bear in mind that our differing theological viewpoints (I believe you're an Orthodox Jews, if I'm correct?) may be a bit sharp on this particular issue, since I'm a historicist Christian (also a Sabbath keeper, BTW). —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 23:10, October 3, 2023 (EDT)

First of all. The surroundings before destruction of 2nd Temple are not related to or against my quoted above true statement..

But, if you're referring to the "zealots"...Here are the facts. The Romans, for years, have been trying to crackdown on Judaism and made anti practice decrees, as well as banned studies. It triggered resistance. The Romans then applied a siege on Jerusalem for months. The Talmud-Rabbis sought to seek peace negotiations with them, but zealots anti-rabbis (called Biryonim) disagreed and burned down a large storage of grain that could have fed for years... that was the last straw that had weakned the guards of the Walls. (Prior to the fall of the city, a chief Rabbi Yochanan-ben-Zakai tricked the anti-rabbis-Zealots and snuck out to meet the Roman chief and begged him that at least leave the city of Yavne to survive, which he did). Some 60 plus years after the Temple destruction arose such as rebel as by Bar Kokhva. But later on, Bar Kokhva shunned the rabbis and was less God fearing which is why Rabbi Akiva had disassociate himself from him. In any case. [BTW, please note, I'm not taking knowledge from Wikipedia]. BTW the destruction of the 1st Temple was by the Babylonians. And the story of Esther (Haman might have been the first genocidal anti-Jew) was between the two temples.Telling (talk)

Wow, fascinating historical details: I certainly find the Zealots almost as a near-prophetic typology: just as they were a "fourth sect" of Judaism which led a theocratic revolutionary movement, there is nowadays a "fourth political theory" associated with fringe populist sentiments. Also, about the Talmud, I thought its compilation didn't take place until the 3rd or 6th century?

Now, yes, antisemitism certainly dates back to biblical times because other nations were jealous of the Jews and tried to destroy them. But there's a larger point here: why did antisemites succeed in some phases and fail at other times? It all depended on whether Israel stayed true to the faith or strayed into apostasy:

And of course, the Israelites would face terrible punishments if they plunged away from the faith, i.e. into Baal worship. In other words, antisemitic attacks by pagan nations; when Israel remained faithful to God, they were protected, but would face invasions by gentile tribe when they departed from walking with God. As for the reason behind antisemitism for the past two millennia... you can probably guess what my theological views on this are. And please know that I don't say all this to spout polemicist invective; I state this particular matter with a sobering approach.

Oh yeah, and since you're an Orthodox Jew, I'd be very eager to understand more about the reasons why modern-day Judaism rejects Jesus as the Messiah. How about a debate page on this? (don't worry, I'll moderate it the best I can to keep out any potential antisemitism) —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 23:37, October 3, 2023 (EDT)

The Talmud is based on oral teaching through a chain of tradition till Moses. The first part, which is Mishnah began (to be documented) during the Temple. For example, Hillel, who coined the Golden rule 'don't do unto others...' (Shabbat 31) lived before the destruction. There is a certain tradition a "sandwich" [3][4] that Jews eat at Seder on Passover night which is to commemorate the way Hillel used to do it when the Temple still stood.

Regarding your delicate question, I never said if I'm orthodox or plain conservative but, I will limit to one statement for obvious reasons.. to explain them, one should remember that (core, aka, those that survive the people) Jews did not change their original faith also when Muhammad forced them to and had been slaughtered, 700 of them in Arabia around 1400 years ago. Schloss, C. (2002). 2000 years of Jewish history : from the destruction of the second Bais Hamikdash until the twentieth century. Israel: Feldheim Publishers. p. 41. Telling (talk)

Didn't the first half of the Talmud's compilation cover the Oral Law while the second half of the process was a bit different? This source says that the Babylonian Talmud was essentially influenced by Hellenization.

Oh, I think I see your implied point: so Jews view becoming a Christian as straying from the original faith? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 00:24, October 4, 2023 (EDT)

The 2nd part which is Gemara is an expansion and discussion of the 1st which is Mishna, it includes also the 1st part within it. Babylonian Talmud had nothing to do with "hellenism".Telling (talk) 00:35, October 4, 2023 (EDT)

I see. Well then, I guess there's a lot more for me to learn! :) —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 00:30, October 4, 2023 (EDT)

The victory over Greek decrees / Hellenism, which was Chanukah, was at the time of the Temple.Telling (talk)

Yep, the Feast of Dedication, I believe. As it concerns Greek influence though, if the Talmud's content wasn't influenced by Hellenization, then how come most of Judaism nowadays tends to be pro-abortion? The early Jews spanning to the time of Jesus were adamantly pro-life, and it was ancient paganism that promoted abortion. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 00:44, October 4, 2023 (EDT)

I didn't understand the connection of most Jews to the Talmud. Soros is the exact OPPOSITE of Talmud/Torah. Most are not even religious. But as a whole, Jews who are not religious tend to be left wing, especially because of WW2 trauma. As at that time, the liberals were the anti Nazi. But even today, supremacists help to shift that trend. Every attack by racists, such as venomous flyers distribution in so many cities, push many Jews even to far left. I'm sure that Garland was shocked to the core when he saw the Auschwitz shirt guy on J6...

In general, what was Biden's most powerful weapon to win in 2020? He kept reminding 2017-Charlottesville...He even claimed it "inspired" him to run.Telling (talk)

[EC] Interesting perspective; so you're saying that the ideological rift(s) within modern Jewry is almost certainly motivated on the basis of religion? I suppose that makes sense in terms of devout Orthodox Jews leaning conservative while the Reform and Conservative denominations seem much more theologically liberal.

Now yes, it's definitely true that throughout history, it was often the "liberals"/"left-wingers" who presented themselves the most as advocates of the Jews against antisemitism. During the French Revolution, I believe it was the Jacobins who portrayed themselves as allies of Jews against monarchist oppression, while the right-wing clerical counterrevolutionaries propagated antisemitic propaganda accusing "the Jews of behind behind revolutions." (well, actually, it was the Jesuits, according to Prof. Veith, though that's another story) And during the 1930s–40s, it was mainstream New Deal liberalism that appealed to Jews in the U.S. while right-wing isolationist Republicans often had... terrible associations.

Of course, most "far-right" antisemitism nowadays, while commonly perceived as right-wing, is nothing more than "new" variants of socialism that apply the same old models with different formats of emphasis. The most extreme neo-Nazi type ("National Socialism") are socialists, after all. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 01:21, October 4, 2023 (EDT)

I'm not saying that you can't find a reform Jew who is conservative but by in large, it is like that. BTW, Poland, where the largest part of Jews were exterminated, before the war, had a very strong large conservative religious population. Telling (talk)

Yeah, I know, a politically conservative Reform Jew must be quite the rarity, as I remember reading a possibly semi-humorous article about several years ago. Maybe it was this one? I don't fully recall. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 02:23, October 4, 2023 (EDT)

Variety...

Just as among Catholics you have many conservatives like Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly, but some are very liberal such as: The 1985 founded Progressive Democrats party; Ted Kennedy, the Clintons, Rosie O'Donnell, Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC, etc.

Among the influential conservative Jews in the US : Ben Shapiro [5], the (anti Woke) LibsOfTikTok [6] (currently, with some 2.5 million followers), Dennis Prager [7].Telling (talk)

Ah, fair comparison. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 19:13, October 4, 2023 (EDT)

A certain Admin is wasting our time again and not acting in good faith

LT, I sent DavidB4 and Andy Schlafly this email a few minutes ago:

Andy and DavidB4,

Less than a month ago, we had an "Articles for Deletion" vote against RobSmith being able to delete one of my essays and RobSmith lost the vote 3 to 1 and if memory serves DavidB4 voted in favor of the essay not being deleted.

With Karajou aboard, it will be a 4-1 vote. And I am sure I could get other Conservapedians to vote my way also.

Now RobSmith wants to revote. This is unreasonable. He's wasting our time and should be creating content.

Sincerely,

User: Conservative

I am referring to this article: Essay: Russian war crimes in Ukraine. Conservative (talk) 04:28, October 3, 2023 (EDT)

Request for your vote at: Conservapedia:AFD Essay:Russian war crimes in Ukraine

At Conservapedia:AFD Essay:Russian war crimes in Ukraine please vote in the following manner:

This is a time wasting revote. There needn't be another vote. We already voted on this matter less than a month ago. User: RobSmith lost the vote by a 3 to 1 margin. He is wasting our time.

Your vote on this matter would be very helpful. Conservapedia is not a dictatorship where a wanna-be tyrant can demand a revote less than 30 days later. Thank you. Conservative (talk) 08:12, October 3, 2023 (EDT)

Bull Connor

I was reading your article and wondered why no liberals/leftists have desecrated his grave. And then I found a liberal blogger who said he peed on his grave. In this case, I was a fairly good guesser. I am no fan of Bull Conner, but conservatives are classier than liberals/leftists. :) Conservative (talk) 14:19, October 4, 2023 (EDT)

[EC] Here's the thing about past racist Southern Democrats: the historical record shows that they were leftists, although modern-day liberal propagandists push all sorts of narrative spins to portray them as "right-wing conservatives."

Hopefully Andy will like my series of articles exonerating conservatism from the endless charges of "racism" spouted by Leftists. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 14:20, October 4, 2023 (EDT)

Andy is big on the homosexuality issue at the present time. I think it will ultimately be counterproductive for liberals/leftists because conservatives will outbreed them when it comes to future voters, but the larger issue is that they have sub-replacement levels of births for a variety of reasons. In addition, many conservatives have wised up to indoctrination in public schools and are making efforts to improve public education in terms of preventing some indoctrination and they are also pushing for more school choice. Conservative (talk) 14:26, October 4, 2023 (EDT)

Again, just to sort of clarify if I wasn't clear enough before, right now I'm doing what I can to contribute "conservative content" in the realm of studying U.S. history, as a gesture of respect for Andy. So this isn't the same broad subject, though hopefully he can appreciate my efforts nonetheless, because I got a ton of knowledge and research to put to good use. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 14:31, October 4, 2023 (EDT)

I am a fan of history. I have booked historians for a popular podcast that I am a Producer for. I learned about the history of one of the socioeconomic classes from one of the guests on the podcast and found it interesting. Conservative (talk) 14:36, October 4, 2023 (EDT)

I see; hopefully you find my long history entries here on Conservapedia interesting to read through. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 14:42, October 4, 2023 (EDT)

OK. I think that you are a good writer. Best wishes on your future editing. Conservative (talk) 14:45, October 4, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, wonderful; thank you. I may still put in a few extra edits before possibly leaving Conservapedia, after all. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 14:48, October 4, 2023 (EDT)

I sent a message to Mr. EG about your Bull Connor article. It helped answer a question you had for me. Conservative (talk) 01:29, October 6, 2023 (EDT)

The homosexuality and murders article. You had a great idea

I incorporated your material in the Homosexuality and Murders article. I did some tweaks to it. Let's talk about it. I will around the next 4 days if you want to talk about it. I think you will find it worthwhile. I will explain later. It will help your articles get more traffic. Conservative (talk) 03:57, October 5, 2023 (EDT)

Sure, sounds good. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 12:40, October 5, 2023 (EDT)

I mentioned to a homosexual activist all of the anti-transexuality backlash going on presently. The activists replied, "It ain't over until the fat lesbian sings!".[8] See: Lesbianism and obesity. (This is a fake story). :) Conservative (talk) 13:38, October 5, 2023 (EDT)

Lesbianism is a different story from the homosexualism of Nazi Germany, by the way. National Socialism was an outgrowth of male homosexuality, particularly in the Sturmabteilung (SA). Of course, the SA was an official organization was disbanded, but its members (many of whom were Communist recruits) continued in the Nazi Party.

Speaking of which: if anyone throws the "Nazis were anti-Communist" propaganda line at you, just remind them that Nazism itself grew out of Communism, because Hitler was a Communist in early 1919. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 14:01, October 5, 2023 (EDT)

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Re Talmud on The Flood

Just to clarify. I hope I didn’t sound as if I refuted that particular case. In that specific case, one of the sins of the generation of the flood was indeed that as stated in Midrash [Vayikra Raba 23] (and that they used to 'certify' it). asides fromm other sins. (I just added a general rule besides that).Telling (talk)

Ah, okay, I see. And no worries, I think I understood your implied point. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 12:40, October 5, 2023 (EDT)

Hope you're proud of yourself now

Oct 1, 2023

Oct. 2, 2023 Karajou reactivated.

Oct 6, 2023.

RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 00:04, October 7, 2023 (EDT)

Please comment on my motion

Please comment in support of my motion at: Conservapedia:User complaints#Endorsements. Thank you, MayGodBless (talk) 20:35, October 9, 2023 (EDT)

You got it! —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 21:37, October 9, 2023 (EDT)

Please email me at maygodbless135 AT gmail DOT com at your earliest convenience. MayGodBless (talk) 01:01, October 10, 2023 (EDT)

I thought you might enjoy this essay

I thought you might enjoy this essay: Why A Westerner falling for Russian propaganda is like a man who is seduced by a corrupt 300 pound woman.

It's time Conservapedia's articles on Russia and Putin have much greater objectivity. Conservative (talk) 16:42, October 14, 2023 (EDT)

Yeah, it was hilarious. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 08:32, October 20, 2023 (EDT)

Please vote in this AFD vote

I wrote the essay: Essay: Why A Westerner falling for Russian propaganda is like a man who is seduced by a corrupt 300 pound woman

Okay. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 08:32, October 20, 2023 (EDT)

Oh wait, the AFD page was deleted by Andy. 😂 —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 08:35, October 20, 2023 (EDT)

Another reason why it's not a good idea to move to Russia.

Here is another reason why it's not a good idea to move to Russia:

• Essay: Are the Russians as unhappy as they claim they are?

Am I moving to Russia? Nyet! Conservative (talk) 12:50, October 18, 2023 (EDT)

Good move. Now let's just start a GoFundMe to send a certain Putin-shilling cultist to Russia. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 08:34, October 20, 2023 (EDT)

User talk pages

User:Telling is doing yeoman's work for us covering the Hamas war. Please be respectful of his time. Thank you. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!}

See: Essay: Hitler was a Communist in early 1919 —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 12:19, October 20, 2023 (EDT)

Yah, I saw it. Is it more Holocaust revisionism? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:27, October 20, 2023 (EDT)

No. It's called facts. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 12:28, October 20, 2023 (EDT)

Oh. Konrad Heiden covered all this. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:33, October 20, 2023 (EDT)