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NATO war updates

Massive use of methamphetamine by Ukraine soldiers to keep awake during Russian shelling

The Zelensky regime involved in drug trade and profits by selling narcotics to AFU soldiers. [7][8] Arms trade, credit card fraud also involved. RobSGive Peace a chance 22:37, January 10, 2023 (EST)

They gross $600,000 per day. SBU and Ukrainian Military Intelligence involved, as well as law enforcement. The problem began with the U.S.-backed Maidan coup. Right now, the hopes are (as the communist did in Vietnam) to get Russian servicemen hooked on drugs, too. This hope would be to get Russia to end a war of attrition and speed up the end of the war (my guess is, the Russians certainly may consider that, and is one more reason NATO needs to be put back in its place). Unlike the United States, Russia will not ignore foreign efforts to combat and subvert its military and society with drugs. RobSGive Peace a chance 01:42, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Propaganda update

Notice the Soviet era soundtrack timed with the action that tells the story. RobSGive Peace a chance 06:55, January 13, 2023 (EST)
The first video got me laughing out loud; you should feature it on MPL. —LT (Mark 8:36) Friday, 23:07, January 12, 2023 (EST)
I like the way the bear even nudges it back with his nose to make it stand straight. Who says bears have no brains? RobSGive Peace a chance 01:54, January 13, 2023 (EST)
I knew we were in trouble and the planet was headed for WWIII when the Times of London attacked Masha and the Bear as "Putin propaganda" in 2018.
That's only a sampling, and look at the sources of those articles. I was vaccinated against "Putin propaganda" and being a "Kremlin stooge" years ago after reading those articles. Watch 5 minutes of Masha. it's better than any children's entertainment produced in the West. RobSGive Peace a chance 05:13, January 13, 2023 (EST)
Here's the offending episode that got British intelligence and their paid propagandists' underwear in a knot. Here's YouTube's most watched video that is not a music video with over 4.5 billion views (meaning either more than half the planet has seen it, or Masha fans have watched it multiple times. RobSGive Peace a chance 05:40, January 13, 2023 (EST)
Oh, suddenly they're not from outer space, it's "Russia Russia Russia (and China)". RobSGive Peace a chance 06:37, January 13, 2023 (EST)
  • RT report on the fall of Soledar. Disturbing images. [9] Bakhmut will be bigger and worse, unless NATO and Zelensky back down.
  • Looks like the entire Leadership of Ukraine's Nazi police force was decapitated and denazified; [10] Pravy Sektor however, while receiving NATO weapons and aid, fights on the battlefield and is paid by the US taxpayer through the Zelensky regime, is a subcontractor and coalition partner, and not a government institution. RobSGive Peace a chance 05:30, January 19, 2023 (EST)
  • The opening lines and first few minutes of Russians With an Attitude is hilarious. The average Russian understands completely who and what they fighting. 17:27, January 20, 2023 (EST)
  • Evidently the past 24 hours have been the worst for Ukraine in the past 2 months, with something like 1,000 killed across the front. Rationally speaking, the "big offensive" coming from Russia that the Western media keeps talking about obviously will be delayed until the 139 Leopard 2 German tanks arrive near the frontlines. This should be obvious based on statements from the Russian Foreign Ministry and other officials. It would be foolhardy for Russians to overextend supply lines in the face of a mechanized threat. They are content to keep grinding down Ukrainian forces and only take what territory necessary to complete encirclements at Bakhmut, Ugledar, Kremminaya, and Liman. They are not yet ready to set up buffer zones against NATO long range missile attacks without completing the process of demilitariztion on the front lines, and they will force NATO to show its hand on what it plans to do with the Leopards, rather than allow NATO to respond to Russian actions. RobSGive Peace a chance 19:23, February 5, 2023 (EST)
C'mon, User:Conway!. Where you been hiddin' out amidst such embarrassing hyperbole and losses? RobSGive Peace a chance 19:26, February 5, 2023 (EST)
C'mon Conway. This is what awaits all fascists who think they can defeat Russia. The whole of Russian society is waiting for you. RobSGive Peace a chance 06:24, February 6, 2023 (EST)

Illustration of poor propaganda reporting from a conservative outlet

The Daily Caller, normally thought of as a reputable and credible news source, is not immune from the same grossly stupid and idiotic reporting common to liberal and MSM publications. For example, this is how the death of 40,000 Ukrainian troops since September is referred to: [11]

  • Neither side had achieved significant gains in months.
  • Russian forces are making incremental gains around the eastern city of Bakhmut, and while analysts don’t see the territory as strategically important

Obviously, the editor and reporter view "significant gains" and "incremental gains" in terms of territory, and not in human lives. And if readers, editors, and reporters recall, since the beginning of the operation, gaining territory has never been a Russian objective. It has always been clearly stated as "de-militarization", i.e. killing armed military forces if they refuse to surrender. RobSGive Peace a chance 10:31, January 30, 2023 (EST)

Russia doesn't need more territory. It already has more territory and borders to defend than any other country on the planet, by a factor of about 2 1/2 times. Russia entered Ukraine to save the lives of a neighboring Russian-speaking population that asked for their help. They were being threatened and killed by aggressive foreign powers - the US, NATO, and the EU, that wanted to seize their agricultural land, industrial base, oil reserves, and Sevastopol naval base, with the assistance of a gang of traitors to Ukraine that illegally seized power with the aid of a foreign government in 2014 and has invited foreign mercenaries into Ukraine now, killing Russian speaking civilians. RobSGive Peace a chance 10:46, January 30, 2023 (EST)

Translation: So killing 40,000 troops and mercenaries of a traitorous regime installed by a foreign power while limiting your own losses to no more than 4,000 is not considered "significant gains" or a significant result, despite the fact that it is your declared objective from the outset. RobSGive Peace a chance 11:28, January 30, 2023 (EST)

Ukronazi graffiti in Uzhhorod

Still waiting for the MSM to report this after over two weeks... —LT (Mark 8:36) Monday, 22:18, January 15, 2023 (EST)

I used it here: NATO_war_in_Ukraine#Ukrainian_racial_theories. The pre-Maidan regime would have come down hard on the perps, which is why the Nazis hate the Russians so much. Most of the 27 million dead Russians in WWII were killed in Ukraine. RobSGive Peace a chance 22:46, January 15, 2023 (EST)
And despite all this, if you try explaining anything about Ukronazi prevalence to an average brainwashed American, you'll almost immediately be labeled a Putin shill. Next you know, the narrative is that we've always been at war with Euras- er, I mean, Easta- er, I mean, Russia. —LT (Mark 8:36) Monday, 22:50, January 15, 2023 (EST)
It's primarily Western Ukraine (Lviv), which we should probably begin to distinguish being that Ukraine is about to be carved up.
The societal problem Ukraine has, and even Russia, is some 13-year-old punk does this graffiti (failure of the school system and parents), the Interior Ministry identifies the perps, and the kid can never get a job as an adult and lives in poverty. So they double down as Nazis against "Russian oppression." But the Russians are hell bent on not letting any root of Nazism survive or flourish again. RobSGive Peace a chance 22:56, January 15, 2023 (EST)
In the poorest country of Europe, where did these football hooligans get the money to buy all these pretty uniforms?[1]
"...the Russians are hell bent on not letting any root of Nazism survive or flourish again." Something Antifa will never manage to accomplish. Say, where are those fellow commie goons of ours? They're noticeably absent when there's an actual problem of Nazism. Hmm, it's not directly in the U.S., so I guess Antifa declining to protest goes to demonstrate their fervent ultranationalist credentials. Or that they fail to live up to their professed reputation. —LT (Mark 8:36) Monday, 23:01, January 15, 2023 (EST)
Hold on, so such examples of graffiti are likely perpetrated by manchild lowlifes who were punks since their teenage years? Interesting. —LT (Mark 8:36) Monday, 23:04, January 15, 2023 (EST)
Most of the organized Nazi formations in the Ukrainian military were recruited from "football hooligans", basically a local phenomenon where local soccer fans wear Nazi insignia and beat up visiting guests from a predominantly Russian-speaking town.RobSGive Peace a chance 23:29, January 15, 2023 (EST)
Wow, those collectives of immature loons in the video look like amateur wannabe paramilitaries. —LT (Mark 8:36) Monday, 23:22, January 15, 2023 (EST)
Scroll down and look at this guy's Youtube uploads from 4 to 8 months ago. He's one of the closest inside look at the Ukrainian Nazi hooligans you can find. I think he's a Brit, but sounds American. He even has an upload on NazBols. [12] RobSGive Peace a chance 23:29, January 15, 2023 (EST)
Maybe another time. I have other matters to cover in the meantime, and will try to get back to that channel later. —LT (Mark 8:36) Monday, 23:35, January 15, 2023 (EST)
"AMERICAN NATIONAL BOLSHEVISM"- book by DEREK DIABLO ex-US ANTIFA Organizer. Where do you suppose this guy gets the money to do the travelling he does? RobSGive Peace a chance
  1. ↑ Ukraine: On patrol with the far-right National Militia, Jonah Fisher reports, BBC Newsnight, April 4, 2018.

Shakeup in the Zelensky regime

There's a shake up going on in the Zelensky regime. In the past four days, we've had these three reports:

  • Ukrainian fascists threaten to kill pro-Ukraine propagandist for reporting fall of Soledar. [13]
  • Arestovich placed under Ministry of Interior investigation for reporting the truth about Ukrainian missile strike, later Arestovich canned by Zelensky for reporting the truth (multiple sources).
Zelensky and Arsen Avakov. [1]
  • Minister of the Interior killed in helicopter crash (the Minister of Interior, or gestapo head, was only on the job for 4 months, replacing the guy who had been there only since December 2021, who replaced the guy who had been there since the U.S.-backed coup, who installed all the Nazi formations in the Ministry of Interior and started paying them government salaries. (This first guy, now living in Italy, is an oligarch selected by Victoria Nuland to head the Kyiv regime's gestapo in 2014 to replace all the "Putin stooges". After 8 years of "service", he quietly bowed out or was recommended to be canned by the CIA 2 months before "Operation Denazification" began).

Now, the Kyiv regime and Western MSM will try to blame the helicopter crash on Russia as a "targeted assassination"; however this would be difficult being that it occurred in Kyiv and would require a Russian agent to infiltrate the capitol city with a TOW missile, which may or may not have been feasible. (Note: Don't take this literally, Jacob Dreizen, whose fluent in both languages gave us a teaser: Helicopter carrying Ukrainian Interior Minister (head of the Azov, which is under the Interior Ministry) & his Deputy, aides, shot down by U.S. Stinger missile over Kiev, crashes & hits busy daycare, killing kids. Dreizen has been busy with some personal affairs the past month, but came out of hiding to post this message. He'll soon do a full update. It may take new readers time to adjust to Dreizen's sense of humor).

All this is related to the propaganda war, although the death of the Minister of the Interior could have been related to the ongoing extermination campaigns he is conducting in supposedly "recently liberated" territories of "collaborators" (IOWs, some Ukrainian(s) may have been pissed off about his murdering their families). In the short term, this does not look like a Kyiv regime effort to reform itself of its blatant lies and propaganda (although chief propagandist Alexei Arestovich tried to be more transparent after the ridiculous Polish missile strike that nearly ignited WWIII). Rather, it looks like a doubling down on misinformation with more backstabbing (both Arestovich & the now dead Interior Minister came with Zelensky from his TV production company, and had no previous government or political experience). Anyways, it appears the fascist elements in the Kyiv regime are gaining tighter control in this later phase of the military conflict and propaganda war, which is and was predictable. RobSGive Peace a chance 08:38, January 18, 2023 (EST)

Thumbnail sketch of the Ukrainian political scene: prior to 2014, the "Putin stooges" in the Ministry of Interior hunted down the Nazis and made their lives miserable; after the 2014 coup, the Nazis took over the Ministry of Interior (at the behest of the Obama State Department) and started hunting down, beating up, and killing Russian speakers. RobSGive Peace a chance 09:25, January 18, 2023 (EST)
Russia is largely losing the information war as their national brand is estimated to have taken a big hit - see: Russia’s nation brand value takes $150 billion hit as invasion of Ukraine backfires. But the country is a big commodity seller so it can weather the storm. If it were a big car seller, that would be another matter. On the other hand, the SEO/Google referral traffic of RT.com went from about 650,000 monthly visitors to about 1,000,000 monthly visitors so it is up about 35%. Conservative (talk) 11:09, January 18, 2023 (EST)
Because Zelensky was in the entertainment industry, the stage presence and video production of UKraine is high. Similarly, Reagan and Trump were in the entertainment industry and were good in front of the camera and staging events and were good in front of crowds. Conservative (talk) 11:16, January 18, 2023 (EST)
The MSM/NATO propaganda narrative is changing. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:24, January 18, 2023 (EST)
Update: "Zelensky senior advisor Oleksiy Arestovych was ousted from power because he truthfully admitted that Ukrainian military forces shot down the Russian missile that struck a an apartment block in Dnipro—an ouster demanded by Ukraine Interior Minister Denys Monastyrsky, who controls all Ukrainian police, national guard and border patrol units—but shortly after senior advisor Arestovych was ousted from power this morning, Ukrainian Interior Minister Monastyrsky and his first deputy Yevgeny Enin were killed in a helicopter crash that killed 14 and injured 25." RobSGive Peace a chance 19:45, January 18, 2023 (EST)
Update: The “official narrative” about the Ukrainian Conflict up until this week was that Kiev would “inevitably win”, but that prediction has since suddenly been turned upside-down. RobSGive Peace a chance 05:57, January 19, 2023 (EST)
Update via Gatewaypundit: [14]
Budanov. [2]
The Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine had long been aware that the leadership of the Ministry of Defense was trading Western arms, which came to Ukraine in the form of aid, for the benefit of third countries, and that this process was overseen directly by the head of the GUR, Budanov. By the way, this information has already surfaced somewhere.
The leadership of the Interior Ministry wanted their share and began collecting data through their structural units, which are associated with intelligence and surveillance. As a result, they managed to obtain evidence and began blackmailing. The military bosses promised a share to the police leadership, and the first tranche was paid. But it was pointless and unprofitable to pay any further.
In addition, the insolence of the minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, who had his head in the wrong place, was putting the military leadership under strain. And now the day had come when the kids from the GUR were able to demonstrate their skills. But that is not all. The sanction for this was given personally by Yermak, who is also in on the secret from the supreme narcissistic clown, Zelensky.
RobSGive Peace a chance 16:20, January 19, 2023 (EST)
So this apparently was a decapitation strike, leaving three groups of suspects each with their own motives:
  • A Russian Speznatz team for obvious reasons - the ongoing extermination squads of the Ministry of Interior killing Russian speaking "collaborators";
  • Ukrainians themselves, likely ordered by Zelensky because of the Ministry of Interior's attempt to blackmail Zelensky for a cut of Ukraine aid and blackmarket weapons smuggling profits;
  • NATO/US in preparation for dumping Zelensky as he outlives his usefulness and cleaning house as the truth of the Zelensky regime becomes an impediment and embarrassment for continued aid.
RobSGive Peace a chance 19:13, January 19, 2023 (EST)
Denys Kiryeyev (circled in red), Ukrainian peace negotiator murdered by the Security Service of Ukraine with a bullet to the back of the head and his body dumped in the street. [3] In green, second on the right, is Defense Minister Reznikov.
Update: Apparently, the Zelensky regime is attempting to denazify itself now with the decapitation of the Ministry of Interior leadership. The Wall Street Journal now reports the SBU murder of Denys Kiryeyev last March 6, 2022 was a "mistake", and that he was not a "Russian spy", as originally reported. [15] Kiryevev was attempting to negotiate humanitarian corridors for civilians to escape the fighting, as in Mariupol. The Russians had initially made the proposal, and Azov Nazis (also under the Interior Ministry and not under the Defense Ministry) executed civilians attempting to flee the city.
It should be noted, the Ministry of Interior is not only the center of concentration of Nazis in the Kyiv regime, it has also been the CIA chief link to Ukrainian Nazis since 2014. While the Defense Ministry has received weapons and training, the CIA has an entire floor in SBU headquarters in downtown Kyiv. Much of the Western propaganda coming out of Kyiv passes through that location first.
It could be, that both Zelensky and his NATO handlers have figured out that the Nazis running the Ministry of Interior have outlived their usefulness, and are trying to distance themselves from them, both for domestic Ukrainian perceptions, and international media. Rather they denazify themselves, than let Putin do it. This could also be the first step to try to re-establish negotiations with Moscow. The mindless murder of Kiryevev shows how these frothing at the mouth Russophobes, whom the US installed in power, are just bloodthirsty killers who can't be reasoned with. They've become too dangerous for even their CIA handlers. RobSGive Peace a chance 03:30, January 20, 2023 (EST)
Pay attention to the fate of Andriy Biletsky in coming days and weeks, to see if he's promoted to fill one of the vacant spots in the Ministry of Interior; under the original ceasefire deal negotiated in March 2022, the Russians demanded that he be handed over for trial. Boris Johnson and NATO nixed the deal. RobSGive Peace a chance 03:45, January 20, 2023 (EST)
Anatoly Shariy, who now lives in Spain and has 3 million YouTube followers, or morethan 10% of the Ukrainian adult population, also reports on the same story right now. [16] Shariy has been mentioned as a successor to Zelensky. RobSGive Peace a chance 03:57, January 20, 2023 (EST)
Update: Ukrainian oligarch and mass murderer Arsen Avakov (pictured above with Zelensky) has now been implicated in the assassination of his successors in the Ministry of Interior leadership. [17] His departure from the Ministry of Interior just two months prior to the Russian incursion in December 2021, where he served after being installed by Victoria Nuland in 2014, obviously occurred at CIA insistence as the global Ukrainian propaganda war was unleashed to avoid the embarrassing revelation that it was he who put Azov and Ukrainian Nazis on the U.S.-taxpayer supported payroll and oversaw the ethnic cleansing of Russians in the Donbas for 8 years. Now he's back, albeit not in an official position.
This guy has an interesting take on Zelensky's Great Purge. RobSGive Peace a chance 19:49, February 5, 2023 (EST)

Zelensky regime purges continue

CIA director traveled to Kyiv in January. A few days after he left, the leadership of the Nazi-controlled Ministry of Interior was wiped out - likely by the Ministry of Defense intelligence. Evidently, Burns explained to Zelensky if he wanted to keep riding the Congressional spending gravy train, the Republicans in charge now will demand more accountability. The Ukraine, its government and social culture in fact more resembles Soviet era culture and corruption then Russia does, where some democratic reforms have taken place. The political situation in Kyiv very much resembles the Nazi and Soviet models, where the KGB was used to strongarm the military or the SS used to compel compliance from the Wehrmacht. In totalitarian societies, the military, which is the only armed internal threat to the regime, loyalties are always suspect. Hence you have organizations like the SS or KGB to compel compliance from the military to the party and regime's wishes. In this particular circumstance, it appears the military has won out over the security services. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:40, January 25, 2023 (EST)

The burning question any coup plotters always face is, "Will the army follow?" We recently saw that in Brazil, and during J6 with the collusion between Milley and Pelosi. After the U.S.-backed Maidan coup in 2014, loyalists were purged from the Ministry of Interior (think of the Ministry of Interior as analogous to the U.S. Justice Department, prosecutors and the FBI, albeit with a 50,000 man special forces paramilitary unit called Azov battalion, and 200,000 man Territorial Defense fighting on the front lines alongside the AFU and Ministry of Defense) and replaced with Nazis, who then have been purging Russians from all walks of life for the past 9 years (it should also be noted that Maidan coup plotters, who colluded with a foreign government (i.e., the US) and NATO since 2014, are by definition "traitors" to Ukraine). Evidently the CIA now feels enough "Russian sympathizers" have been purged from the military and civil service, and it can now try to end its embarrassing relationship with Nazis in the Ministry of Interior. But it's too late. Enough Nazis have arisen in the ranks of the military and have been legitimized in society in general.RobSGive Peace a chance 00:56, January 25, 2023 (EST)

The Ministry of Interior essentially combines the functions of the US DOJ and Homeland Security, along with some Special Forces. It's job at the front is primarily to shoot AFU units attempting to desert or surrender, and exterminate Russian-speaking civilians accused by their neighbors of "collaboration." RobSGive Peace a chance 01:12, January 25, 2023 (EST)

Russia-Ukraine War, upcoming major Russian offensive, and Germany and allowing the sale of their Leopard tanks to Ukraine

The Russian-UKraine War is somewhat at a standstill with Russia making some gains such as in the city of Soledar. Ukraine wants Germany's Leapard tanks so they can better protect themselves against an upcoming Russian major offensive and so they can do offensives of their own.

Germany is not allowing Poland to give some of their Leapard tanks to Ukraine (When Germany sells tanks to countries the contract says they must have Germany's permission to resell the tanks).

It seems like Germany still wants Russian gas and oil. And they are hoping to buy Russian gas and oil after this war is over. And perhaps they are wanting this war to be over as soon as possible and they are secretly hoping the major Russian offensive is successful against Ukraine. Hence, their reluctance to allow Poland to sell Leapard tanks to Ukraine. I suppose you could say that Germany is more pacifist or that they fear an escalation to the war, and one can certainly make an argument for that, but my intuition tells me that they want to buy Russian gas and oil after the Russia-Ukraine War is over and/or they are not very committed to the notion of the Ukrainians kicking the Russians out of Ukraine even if it were possible.

The high ranking U.S. general, General Milley, recently said that militarily it was impossible for the Ukrainians to completely kick the Russians out of Ukraine.[18] This tells me that it is impossible for the Ukrainians to militarily kick the Russians out of Ukraine or that it is possible, but the USA is not very interested in this notion due to the cost to the USA of doing this or due to fears of escalation (which includes fear of a nuclear war). Conservative (talk) 15:45, January 20, 2023 (EST)

"Milley recently said that it was impossible for the Ukrainians to completely kick the Russians out of Ukraine," as noted above, the Western propaganda narrative is changing.
Events are moving very rapidly. In the past 24 hours,
  • NATO gathers at Ramstein to plot WWIII;
  • Moscow install aerial defense systems around city;
  • Zelensky regime admits to killing its own Ministry of Interior leadership (unconfirmned).
These are the simple facts:
  • All Western NATO reporting about Russia losing for the past year is b.s., the narrative which now is being changed to "Russia is winning;"
  • Nuclear war will occur before Russia ever loses. RobSGive Peace a chance 15:47, January 20, 2023 (EST)
We'll all get nuked before Russia ever decides to become another lapdog for the U.S. like Germany and the UK. RobSGive Peace a chance 15:53, January 20, 2023 (EST)
Back to Milley: "Milley recently said that it was impossible for the Ukrainians to completely kick the Russians out of Ukraine". Trump said this years ago and was removed from office by the Deep State for doing so. RobSGive Peace a chance 15:57, January 20, 2023 (EST)
Maybe the Germans are not allowing the Polish to sell/give their Leapard tanks to Ukraine due to USA pressure. I hadn't thought of this possibility until now.
Anyways, the Biden Administration is really botching USA-Russian-Ukraine relations. The British are not acting wisely either and perhaps they have some good intentions.
Henry Kissinger, who belongs to the realpolitik school of politics, says that it is not the good intentions of a policy that matters, but its end result. It is my contention that this war is not going to end well for Ukraine. I agree with Kissinger that Ukraine should try to make peace with Russia as soon as possible - even if it has to concede giving land to Russia (Giving up Crimea and part of Eastern Ukraine - specifically, the Russian speaking parts of Eastern Ukraine). In addition, Ukraine should commit to being a nonaligned country and commit to not joining NATO. Conservative (talk) 16:12, January 20, 2023 (EST)
"Maybe the Germans are not allowing the Polish to sell/give their Leapard tanks to Ukraine due to USA pressure." It's the other way around. Germany supplying tanks to be used in Ukraine violates WWII demilitarization pacts. Germany is afraid to do it alone. It wants to give the Leopards alongside American Abrams tanks, but Abrams are extremely impractical because of their turbine engines, fuel consumption, and maintenance requirements. Both Abrams and Leopards (and UK Challengers) are not built for war in the mud in Ukraine, but rather for hardened surfaces on roads in Western Europe. Everybody knows and understands this, yet NATO is insistent on provoking Russia anyway. RobSGive Peace a chance 16:12, January 20, 2023 (EST)
After watching the USA leave Vietnam and Afghanistan, I don't think it is wise for the Ukrainians to take the "we will kick the Russians out of Ukraine with the help of the USA" gambit. This is especially true after what General Milley recently said about it being impossible for the Ukrainians to militarily kick the Russians out of Ukraine. Conservative (talk) 16:17, January 20, 2023 (EST)

Call me a cynic, but at this point, it seems obvious that the USA's current intentions are to "bleed/weaken" the Russians and to not have the USA lose face. They don't seem to care much about the Ukrainians. If they did, they would have encouraged the Ukrainians to go to the peace table earlier which would have prevented many Ukrainians from being killed and much of Ukraine from being wrecked. Conservative (talk) 16:22, January 20, 2023 (EST)

The Brian Berletic video will give the clearest explanation up to the minute. RobSGive Peace a chance 16:35, January 20, 2023 (EST)

Thanks for sharing that video. It was informative.

Sometime after 2004, I learned about military strategy/tactics because I thought they might come in useful in life and I thought it would be interesting to learn.

  • "It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle." - Sun Tzu
  • "He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared.” - Sun Tzu
  • "Now the general who wins a battle makes many calculations in his temple before ere the battle is fought. The general who loses a battle makes but few calculations beforehand. Thus, do many calculations lead to victory, and few calculations to defeat: how much more no calculation at all! It is by attention to this point that I can foresee who is likely to win or lose." - Sun Tzu
  • The general who loses a battle makes but few calculations beforehand. Thus do many calculations lead to victory, and few calculations to defeat: how much more no calculation at all! It is by attention to this point that I can foresee who is likely to win or lose."

It is very apparent to me that the West was unprepared to fight a proxy war in Ukraine and win. Biden or his successor is likely to have egg on his face. But maybe I underestimating the West and they merely wanted to weaken Russia or help Ukraine retain as much as their land as possible. Conservative (talk) 18:51, January 20, 2023 (EST)

I helped a small company outcompete a much bigger rival in a given niche. The owner of that company just told me that I am the most persistent person he has ever met. It's super important to be able to outlast your opponent. It doesn't appear that Ukraine is going to outlast their Russian adversaries in terms of equiptment they know how to readily use (Brian Berletic points out it takes awhile to learn how to effectively use new military technology in terms of training troops if the West supplies them with more Western military technology) and in the West's willingness to continue to support the Ukrainians long term. Russia doesn't have the resources to occupy Ukraine long term, but they can retain Crimea and take part of Eastern Ukraine.
Another thing I learned from Sun Tzu and Mike Tyson: It is important to find an opponents weakness and deliver a knockout blow as soon as possible. "What is essential in war is victory, not prolonged operations." - Sun Tzu. "So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak." - Sun Tzu. "Force him to reveal himself, so as to find out his vulnerable spots." - Sun Tzu
As far as Ukrainian weaknesses: The HIMARS that the Ukrainians use have a limited range. So Russia is using long range missile attacks that destroy Ukrainian infrastructure. In addition, Russia has a bigger population and it is about to do a major offensive using a lot of troops and equiptment. Conservative (talk) 19:14, January 20, 2023 (EST)
So take everything you just posted, everything, beginning with "if you know your enemies and know yourself", and realize the Russian government and the Russia people do not see themselves fighting Ukraine. On the contrary, they have the same view many other outsiders have, that Ukrainians are unwitting victims in this war. The Russian government and Russian people see themselves fighting NATO and the United States. How does that change your calculations? RobSGive Peace a chance 22:19, January 20, 2023 (EST)
Analytical synopsis of Russian thinking at the moment: Russia is anticipating that NATO forces, particularly the US, UK, and Poland (Germany hasn't made up its mind if it wants to participate) at some point will cross the Polish border into Ukraine. When that occurs, they will be confronted with coalition forces from Belarus and Russia. Then it's up to NATO to either try to invoke Article 5, or Russia will continue the war against the US, UK, and Poland. Either way, if NATO invokes Article 5 to force the Germans into the war, or if the US, UK, and Poland decide to go it alone, the territories of all belligerent powers become legal, active battlefields since the moment contact is engaged. RobSGive Peace a chance 22:32, January 20, 2023 (EST)
The Ukrainians are not unwitting victims. They chose to suppress Russian speaking people in Ukraine and wave the Ukraine wanting to join NATO red cape in front the Russian bull. The Ukrainians chose to pronote the homosexual agenda within Ukraine. These actions obviously had risks in relation to the Russians and how the influential Russian Orthodox Church within Russia viewed the Ukrainians. People portraying themselves as victims has gotten so tiresome. Taking responsibility for their actions is what adults do. At the same time, these Ukrainian actions do not absolve Putin/Russia from starting a war of aggression against the Ukrainians (This violates Just War Theory and is an unchristian thing to do). Conservative (talk) 23:55, January 20, 2023 (EST)
Let's divide the Ukrainian populace into two groups: (1) the hardcore Russophobic Nazis (a minority) in government and armed forces, and (2) the brainwashed populace (the majority) who fell for all the Western propaganda and promises of NATO and EU membership and gay rights. This second group I'd call "nationalist" or "patriots", whereas the first group are just Nazis and fascists. IOWs, you can be a "Ukrainian nationalist" without being a "Ukrainian Nazi". But that still doesn't absolve you from being stupid. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:10, January 21, 2023 (EST)
So the question now is all between Germany and the United States. The United States would prefer for a bunch of European NATO forces lead the charge, with the US standing back; the Germans do not want to lead it, nor even be part of it without standing alongside or behind the US. RobSGive Peace a chance 22:43, January 20, 2023 (EST)
The Biden admistration must know that Americans are war weary and that the American public doesn't want American blood spilled over Ukraine. And Biden is wanting to run again in 2024 and his approval numbers are already underwater. I very much doubt that American soldiers are going to be filling Ukraine as combat troops in a significant way. At most, some American contractors or advisors showing the Ukrainians how to use American military equiptment. Conservative (talk) 23:42, January 20, 2023 (EST)
That's assuming America's still a democracy with a government deriving its just powers from the consent of the governed. And secondly, according to Tucker Carlson, Garagegate is a plan by the deep state to insure Biden's a one term president. So far, we have no indication the deep state opposes war with Russia. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:10, January 21, 2023 (EST)
Biden is still the commander in chief and only he can declare a "police action". Unfortunately, Congress is irresponsible and wimpy and hasn't rightly asserted that only Congress can declare war for some time. Conservative (talk) 00:24, January 21, 2023 (EST)
(ec) So let's take a second alternate, contingent scenario: the US, UK, and Poland decide to enter Ukraine from Poland after a Ukrainian defeat at Bakhmut. Belarus and Russian forces immediately engage from Belarus (expanding the line -of-contact all the way to Kaliningrad and the Baltic Sea). Let's further suppose a NATO meeting fails to invoke Article 5, and the US, UK, and Poland go it alone (a "coalition of the willing") against Russia, however other NATO and EU states (like Germany and Finland) continue to supply weapons and/or training to Ukraine without direct involvement of troops (other than paid mercenaries and subcontractors). From the Russian view, this still is no different than invoking Article 5, however there would be some reservation on the Russian part from launching attacks on those territories not directly supplying manpower.
This is a very likely scenario to occur in a long term Second Cold War, a hybrid war with terrorist attacks and assassinations on all belligerent parties' own territory in the best case scenario, short of direct missile attacks on each other's strategic facilities. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:34, January 21, 2023 (EST)
The USA just finished a 20 year war in Afghanistan and very recently had a humiliating withdrawal from Afghanistan. The USA is not going to pour USA troops into Ukraine. Other than that, I have no idea what the Biden Administration is going to do because they are corrupt knuckleheads. Putin and the Russians are corrupt knuckleheads too. Conservative (talk) 00:50, January 21, 2023 (EST)
Putin, Biden, and even Zelensky are bit players in this drama. If you can't find the person to get the job done, like BoJo, Liz Truss, or the German defense minister (or Aunty Cindy), you fire them and get somebody who is willing to try to do it. Too much emphasis is placed on Putin, Biden and Zelensky, which obscures core issues and objectives. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:56, January 21, 2023 (EST)
BoJo is a great example, a more Churchillian figure than Zelensky himself. Yet he failed to rally the British people to understand that the war against Putler was more important than the drunken parties he held. RobSGive Peace a chance 01:06, January 21, 2023 (EST)

I was too hard on the Germans. They are rightly blamed for putting Hitler in power, following him and starting WWII. It's not surprising that they are dovish and not willing to allow their Leapard tanks into Ukraine until the USA agrees to put Abrams tanks into Ukraine (Even though that is a stupid ideas due to the Abrams maintenance issues and that they are fuel guzzling). I just read this about tanks "Armed with large cannons, moving on metal treads and built with stronger protective armor than any other weapon on a battlefield, tanks can go over rough, muddy or sandy terrain where wheeled fighting vehicles might struggle."[19] So maybe the Leapard tanks could be used in Ukraine. Conservative (talk) 01:28, January 21, 2023 (EST)

Judging by the lack of planning and the incompetence of the Biden administration and NATO, it wouldn't surprise me if the West doesn't bring in a lot of tanks into Ukraine until the Ukrainian defenses are crumbling or have crumbled under a major Russian offensive. But then it may be too late. Conservative (talk) 01:34, January 21, 2023 (EST)
'How Can Germany Still Be Seen As A Reliable Ally?': Lloyd Austin Pressed On US-German Tank Tensions. First the Biden Administration couldn't get the Saudis to pump more oil and now they failed to get the Germans to allow others to sell their Leapard tanks to Ukraine. The Biden Administration is perceived to be a weak, lame duck, one-term presidency. In addition, it is corrupt and that makes it harder to make moral appeals/arguments. Conservative (talk) 02:08, January 21, 2023 (EST)
That's a good analysis of the situation, but step back and look at a few wider strategic issues, and the insights they give on the current geopolitical situation.
While NATO allegedly was founded as, and has been a "defensive alliance", that's borne out by the factual evidence before our faces: NATO weapons are not built for offensive action in Ukraine. So that leaves the question now, Who is the aggressor?" RobSGive Peace a chance 02:16, January 21, 2023 (EST)
There are many technical issues involved in this discussion, for example the width of track on tracked vehicles. Russian tracked vehicles are for weight disbursement, whereas thinly tracked US vehicles have more concentrated weight disbursement, IOWs, for an equal amount of tonnage they will sink in the mud farther and faster than a Russian vehicle. They were specifically designed to defend German cities and towns, and not invade rural, undeveloped, agricultural Ukraine, wheras Russian equipment was designed to defend the environmental conditions of Ukraine. RobSGive Peace a chance 02:21, January 21, 2023 (EST)

That may be true about Abram tank track widths, but it appears Leapard tank track widths are wide enough to go through mud. This is not surprising as the Germans are known for their excellent engineering. Conservative (talk) 06:45, January 21, 2023 (EST)

Russian T-80 tank beats American M1 Abrams in snow field of Ukraine. RobSGive Peace a chance 08:54, January 23, 2023 (EST)
Signal magazine, Joesph Goebbels WWII propaganda rag published in dozens of languages, used the same excuse to explain Germany's failure in the Soviet Union, mocking Soviet roads and mud as the achievements of a third world subhuman species. You should be grateful there's widespread internet censorship of Signal, cause the English language version of that article would be held up alongside your mocking UK roads. RobSGive Peace a chance 15:01, January 21, 2023 (EST)
Many of the articles used to be online in English, but you can't find them anymore. One article, for example, critical of American public education documenting students beating up teachers in the 1940s, was lifted directly from Readers Digest. RobSGive Peace a chance 15:12, January 21, 2023 (EST)

Ukrainian troops to start training Leopard 2 tanks in Poland. Poland has 'made noises' that they will export tanks to Ukraine despite German licensing restrictions

As noted in the previous thread, it appears Leapard tank track widths are wide enough to go through mud. This is not surprising as the Germans are known for their excellent engineering.

If the Ukrainians are given Leopard tanks, they will better be able to go on the offensive and better resist a Russian major offensive. Conservative (talk) 06:55, January 21, 2023 (EST)

The higher the price that the Russians pay for Ukrainian land, the stronger signal it will give Chinese leaders to not attack Taiwan. It will also be a warning to future launchers of wars of aggression. Since China is a mercantilist nation, sanctions against China would have more teeth than they do against Russia which sells the vital commodities of gas, oil, wheat and fertilizer. However, it isn't that simple. How many Africans and people in the Middle East are going to starve if there is a protracted Russian-Ukraine War? In addition, unlike Ukraine, which is a authoritarian/corrupt nation, Taiwan is a democracy. So the case for helping the Taiwanese defend Taiwan has a stronger moral argument. Conservative (talk) 07:20, January 21, 2023 (EST)
Polish government responds to Biden regime foreign secretary Antony Blinken efforts to induce Poland to provoke World War III.Poland Calls Secretary Blinken’s Bluff, Refuses To Help the United States Start World War-III Against Russia, March 8, 2022. The Conservative Treehouse.
(a) there's not a enough Leopards; (b) the bridges across the Dnieper river now will be destroyed to prevent the flow. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:30, January 21, 2023 (EST)
Zaluzhnyi said he needs 300 tanks. Poland's gonna give what, 20? RobSGive Peace a chance 14:31, January 21, 2023 (EST)
Here's what Dreizen says on the issue:
Uncle Sam was never going to send his tanks until/unless Germany cleaned itself out, as everyone knows, the Germans don’t need tanks, they have a pussy army.

(Germany is like that 300-pound guy you see at the range, with a pricey sniper rifle collection. OK, fatty!)

In the last day or two, Uncle Sam had a pow-wow with his junior partners, but the Germans are still holding out.

Reportedly, their position is, we won’t send tanks until Uncle Sam sends tanks. LOL.

“You first… no, you first!”

What a clown show.

This recalls last spring when Blinken announced Poland was going to send its Migs to Ukraine, and Poland said, "No, we'll send them to Ramstein and let the United States fly them into Ukraine." It corroborates exactly what Brian Berletic says - NATO does not have a strategy. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:41, January 21, 2023 (EST)
One of the unspoken reasons I was against the USA militarily/financially supporting the Ukrainians is that the Biden Administration has the anti-Midas touch. They constantly screw things up. Conservative (talk) 15:57, January 21, 2023 (EST)
Read the link on MPR. Milley is saying the $100 billion in aid has failed, and the US has to send even more for the foreseeable future now. RobSGive Peace a chance 16:02, January 21, 2023 (EST)
The reason tanks are now being discussed is because the HIMARs and Howitzers and Javelins have all failed. Not only have most been destroyed, but even if NATO could scrounge up more artillery pieces (they can't), NATO not only doesn't have the artillery shells, it lacks the manufacturing capacity to compete. RobSGive Peace a chance 08:38, January 23, 2023 (EST)
This Czech factory, which produces 25% of NATO Europe's artillery shells, says it will take 10-15 years to replenish what NATO has already sent to Ukraine. And it says it will take 2-3 years to expand its own production. Reuters. RobSGive Peace a chance 08:46, January 23, 2023 (EST)
Director Kristalina Georgieva of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) warned globalist Western elites gathered at their yearly World Economic Forum (WEF) summit in Davos-Switzerland:
“It is a global war because what it did is it wiped out the peace dividends we have enjoyed for 30 years...Investments that could have gone into economic development are now being spent on defense and weapons." RobSGive Peace a chance 18:38, January 21, 2023 (EST)

European governments one-up neofascists in totalitarian despotism

"German Court Wants to COVID Vaccinate Jewish Holocaust Survivor Against Her Will" Well, need I say more? —LT (Mark 8:36) Wednesday, 21:03, January 17, 2023 (EST)

The fraud in the pro-Western, anti-Russian narratives is very simple to see

The Soviet Union collapsed, and the Cold War ended when Russia allowed the reunification of historical German territories occupied by German-speaking people to reintegrate with Germany after 40 years. It is the United States that opposes the reunification of historical Russian territories (Crimea and Donbas) occupied by Russian speaking people to reintegrate with Russia after 30 years. RobSGive Peace a chance 11:41, January 24, 2023 (EST)

Are pro–Ukrainian nationalism Republicans knowingly evil or just idiotic at this point?

A representative 2 weeks ago called for a bust of Zelensky in the U.S. Capitol. No, it wasn't a Democrat, and it wasn't even a "standard" RINO either. It's Joe Wilson, who otherwise had a reputation as a conservative. I know people are prone to stupidity, though would that explain these abysmal extents? The U.S. will be brought down to Sheol, and justly so. —LT (Matthew 26:52) Thursday, 00:31, January 26, 2023 (EST)

Did you see Zelensky's speech yesterday? Murder and death is a business opportunity for Americans. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:39, January 26, 2023 (EST)
It seems that 2023 won't be any better than 2022...
Anyways, thanks for reminding me to evaluate on how I can partake in the Great Commission better. I don't want some of my friends around me, who currently are nonbelievers, to end up in the same Hell where unrepentant Ukronazis and Ukronazsymps will be punished. —LT (Matthew 26:52) Thursday, 00:46, January 26, 2023 (EST)
We passed a milestone yesterday: Germany has officially rescinded any and all legal and moral obligations it has to Russia after World War II. RobSGive Peace a chance 01:30, January 26, 2023 (EST)

Incrementalism (mission creep or the frog in boiling water)

According to this RT analysis, NATO will need 1,800 tanks (mostly Abrams and Leopards) to accomplish its goals (which will take more than a year to assemble). So what is the purpose of sending a handful of tanks now on a task everyone understands is doomed to fail? To incrementally establish the training crews, maintenance facilities, and spare parts storage dumps. If this plan were to work (it should be obvious NATO commenced on this warpath without a larger strategy and is just winging it now), it will have to be NATO forces for the most part operating those 1,800 tanks as there simply are not enough indigenous Ukrainian manpower reserves to train and operate that offensive fighting force to drive Russia out of Crimea and Donbas.

It cannot be more clear - NATO forces are at war in a direct conflict with Russia right now. RobSGive Peace a chance 20:31, January 26, 2023 (EST)

Also, NATO wishes to discover more information about Russian advanced technologies to destroy NATO tanks, such as Russia's unmanned robot tank designed specifically to destroy Abrams and Leopards [20] before it commits 1,800 tanks to the battlefield. RobSGive Peace a chance 20:34, January 26, 2023 (EST)

Hmm, so it would seem that even the term "Russo-Ukraine War"/"Russia–Ukraine War" is utter globalist propaganda, since Ukraine is a proxy used by parafascistic Western imperialists and the real war is between NATO and Russia; I guess "NATO–Russia War" would be more accurate. —LT (Matthew 26:52) Friday, 20:39, January 26, 2023 (EST)
We made that change after NATO's attacks on the Crimea Bridge, Nordstream, and the Admiral Gorshikov. What also should be obvious to anyone with a brain who's been observing over the past year is, you have been lied to about Russian losses in manpower and material, as well as Ukrainian. As well as atrocities. Even now Western media is making the change - that Putin since day one was very timid about allowing civilians to get in the line of sight in combat and that was responsible for some early failures. The slaughter of civilians has occurred from the NATO/Ukraine side.
Javelins failed. M777 Howitzers failed. HIMARs failed. The $116 billion spent - more than double Russia's alleged defense budget, has failed. And now NATO is being upfront about Abrams, Leopards, and Challengers failing for the next year. But NATO is willing to risk nuclear Armageddon in the remote possibility that NATO can still keep Ukraine as a proxy state. RobSGive Peace a chance 21:31, January 26, 2023 (EST)
Ukraine is the Dulcinea del Toboso of liberals. To dream the impossible the dream. To reach the unreachable star. No matter how hopeless, no matter how far. Conservative (talk) 17:41, January 28, 2023 (EST)
By the way, the USA poured 20 years of American blood and treasure into the War in Afghanistan. How is feminism and LGBtQ rights doing there now? Are there any rainbow flags flying in Kabul? Conservative (talk) 17:50, January 28, 2023 (EST)
(ec) You make my point: the Left is the War Party; conservatives are the Peace movement. Roles have been flipped. In Germany, the Green Party are the warmongers, and the "far right" are peaceniks. Seriously, watch Ezra Levant Rebel News link on MPR, about Left and Right meaning nothing anymore. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:52, January 28, 2023 (EST)

Geopolitics expert Peter Zeihan: Due to their demographics, fertility rate and the Russia-Ukraine War the Ukrainian ethnicity will probably disappear in 20-30 years

Geopolitics expert Peter Zeihan: Even if the Ukrainians achieve runaway success in this war, due to their demographically dissolving situation, low fertility rate and the Russia-Ukraine War, the Ukrainian ethnicity will disappear in 20-30 years and probably the Russian ethnicity will disappear in 20-30 years after that due to their fertility rate and other problems.[21] See also: Russia's fertility rate.

I knew it was foolish to root for either side of this war given their corrupt and dysfunctional societies.

Vanity of vanities. All of the Russia-Ukraine War is total vanity. Conservative (talk) 04:26, January 28, 2023 (EST)

It was assisted suicide committed by Zelensky with aid from globalists and the US deep state. They exterminated their childbearing male population and now are working on middle aged and senior adult males. Their childbearing female population are all in diaspora in Russia and the West. What remains of the Ukrainian population in Ukraine are middle aged and senior females.
But all that assumes there are only 2 genders, so it's probably not scientific. RobSGive Peace a chance 05:25, January 28, 2023 (EST)
Prior to "independence" and "democracy" the population of Ukraine was 50 million. It is estimated at between 23 and 25 million right now. They were better off under Soviet communism.RobSGive Peace a chance 05:32, January 28, 2023 (EST)
Incidentally, Zeihan didn't invent that theory; he's building on the work of a Ukrainian lady demographer and economist (I forget her name), and a few others in Russia and the West. RobSGive Peace a chance 05:40, January 28, 2023 (EST)
As to the Russian ethnic identity, there's much misunderstanding about it. A "Russian" is not like other European national identities. It's more like the American "melting pot", with 140 different Eurasian tribal and national identities, each with its own demographic characteristics. They share a common language and cultural identity, but not racial or demographic characteristics. So such generalizations about the Ruski Mir's fertility rate are flawed on the face of it. Virtually all "Russians" are persons of mixed racial and national characteristics. (We could compare it somewhat to Latin America, where the Spanish language, law and custom is universal, but the population is of mixed Spanish, Portuguese, African, and indigenous populations. Only in Russia it's much more complex with a longer history.
Russia is not a traditional nation state like England, France, and Germany where the contemporary concepts of ethnic identity and nation state evolved. It's more like the Sinic, Hindu or Islamic civilizations. And like China and India, all these diverse ethnicities, with diverse demographic characteristics, live in one nation state, unlike Islam divided up into dozens of nation states.
It is Russia's diverse ethnic characteristics that causes Ukrainian nationalist's racism; they look at Russia as a bunch of half-bred Asiatic hordes that they don't want to be part of. They think they are part of the "civilized" West, where people have indoor running water and men having sex with men is legal and encouraged. RobSGive Peace a chance 06:06, January 28, 2023 (EST)
When Zeihan is talking about Russian ethnicity possibly disappearing in 40-60 years, he is probably talking about the East Slavic ethnic group native to Eastern Europe, who share a common Russian ancestry, culture, religion and history.[22]Conservative (talk) 11:47, January 28, 2023 (EST)
He's probably talking about stats gathered from Moscow, St. Petersburg and couple of other cities; the average "Russian" still lives in a rural area in a town of less than 10,000.
Incidentally, Jacob Dreizan of the Dreizen Report claims to have used to work with Zeihan. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:59, January 28, 2023 (EST)

New York Times Just Admitted That The West’s Anti-Russian Sanctions Are A Failure

German environmentalist and Green party Finance and Economic Minister Robert Habeck bowing to the Qatari Trade Minister, begging for more fossil fuel imports after the EU imposed Russia sanctions. [4]
the most effective way to “reprogram” the average Westerner after brainwashing them over the past 11 months into expecting Kiev’s supposedly “inevitable” victory is to also decisively change the supplementary narratives that artificially manufactured that aforesaid false conclusion. To that end, the order was given to begin raising the public’s awareness about the failure of the Golden Billion’s anti-Russian sanctions, ergo the NYT’s latest piece and the specific timing thereof.
RobSGive Peace a chance 22:44, February 1, 2023 (EST)
Political leaders and the 'Stand With Ukraine' crowd in Europe are finally starting to figure it out. Now that German and French manufacturing is relocating to the United States, Europeans are not only faced with rising energy prices, inflation, and permanent underemployment and unemployment in a service economy, they also have no way to pay for the welfare state, old age pension programs and universal healthcare. Good job, blindly following the US plan to destroy Russia so the US can try to compete with Chinese manufacturing using the manufacturing hijacked from Europe and to compete with China for the European consumer market. RobSGive Peace a chance 10:15, February 2, 2023 (EST)
This is a teaching moment for Germany. There is an old German proverb, "Wir zu früh alt, zu spät klug erhalten!". Translated, it means: “We get too soon old and too late smart.” Conservative (talk) 14:09, February 2, 2023 (EST)
As to the photo at the right - don't be fooled for an instant. All this diplomatic protocol was choreographed in advance by staff and advisers from both sides -(1) that the Qatari minister would be standing on an elevated platform to greet his visitor; (2) that the visitor would bow his head when they shake hands; (3) that international press photographers would be on hand to photograph the event. It is not a spontaneous photograph. RobSGive Peace a chance 11:03, February 3, 2023 (EST)

If a socialist from a century ago showed up today, they would be labeled as "far-right"

What were socialists back then focused on? Economic-related causes, particularly syndicalism. Meanwhile, the proclaimed leftists of today redefine red–right politics around cultural issues, and any ideology not conforming to the latest woke insanity is deemed "right-wing." For example, if you adamantly oppose the notion that children should be allowed to have their body parts mutilated, you're a "far-right extremist." And according to certain mentally deranged lunatics in fringe parts of the internet, preventing the mutilation of children is equatable to the genocidal mass murder of hundreds of thousands of people (I'm not even joking). What a crazy time to live in.

So how would old-school Marxists react to the modern-day neo-Marxism? Well, many of them weren't even fans of "gay rights" (it's also interestingly worth noting that the "gay Nazis" narrative, desperately covered up by modern-day academia, was early on propagated by Communists!), and elements of the Old Left also supported racially motivated immigration restriction. If they're around today, they'd probably be quickly labeled by our neo-Marxist pals as "alt-right," "far-right," and "radical right-wing populists."

The only real difference between the Old Left (old-school Marxist socialists) and the modern-day "alt-right" is public branding and perceptions. The "alt-right," for expediency reasons, portrays themselves as "right-wing" by emphasizing more on cultural issues and less on left-wing economic populism. —LT (Mark 8:36) Thursday, 20:59, January 11, 2023 (EST)

A bit of history that you might find interesting: "Today the terms “left wing” and “right wing” are used as symbolic labels for liberals and conservatives, but they were originally coined in reference to the physical seating arrangements of politicians during the French Revolution." Source: Where Did the Terms 'Left Wing' and 'Right Wing' Come From?, History.com. Conservative (talk) 00:02, January 12, 2023 (EST)
Yeah, the concept of left–right politics originated in the French Revolution, with monarchist traditionalists being deemed "right" while the insurgent populist anarchists were "left." When taking the early meanings into account, it's ironic that terms like "right-wing populist" and "conservative populist" are used in a serious manner nowadays, seeing that early right-wingers opposed populism, which is/was simply a left-wing trait. —LT (Mark 8:36) Thursday, 00:06, January 12, 2023 (EST)
The left-right paradigm does not apply to the United States; the US has never had a state religion. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:05, January 12, 2023 (EST)
The U.S. certainly started off as a nation with the Christian principle of separation of church and state, rather than a theocracy. I'm not so sure that left–right politics don't necessarily apply though. —LT (Mark 8:36) Thursday, 14:24, January 12, 2023 (EST)
Yes, the U.S. had a landed aristocracy like Europe before the Constitution. And yes, the U.S. had a state religion - the Anglican church, before the Constitution. But the Constitution and Bill of Rights outlawed (or "rescinded the political power of those institutions") all that. Whether that was a "leftwing" or "rightwing" reform is debatable; but the point is, the left-right paradigm, as defined by the French Revolution, and that still exists in Europe, has never existed in the United States since its founding, which is the cause of so much confusion (IOWs, Europeans and Americans cannot agree on what "rightwing" is, whereas there is close to universal consensus on "leftwing").
My theory: "Left-right" in the U.S. is just more "journalistic shorthand", and journalists are notoriously bad history writers. RobSGive Peace a chance 15:18, January 12, 2023 (EST)
Hence you have these endless, and fruitless debates about trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
Now, here's a theory why American journalists adopted the "left-right" paradigm as shorthand to talk about politics: European parliamentary systems are multiparty, whereas the U.S. has a two-party system (as a result of the Electoral College, which mandates a 51% governing majority). So it was convenient for journalists in America to adopt the "left-right" paradigm to describe the American two-party system, ignoring the discrepancies with European political traditions. RobSGive Peace a chance 15:29, January 12, 2023 (EST)
Uh, so first you said, "the US has never had a state religion," and how you're stating, "yes, the U.S. had a state religion." Anyways, I suppose you have a good point about how applying a concept which described European state of affairs into U.S. politics results in a few problems. —LT (Mark 8:36) Thursday, 15:41, January 12, 2023 (EST)
There was no United States in colonial America. In fact, there was no "left-right" paradigm prior to 1789. America, by contrast, allowed diversity and tolerance to Roman Catholics with the founding of "Mary's Land" (Maryland) and Providence. RobSGive Peace a chance 15:45, January 12, 2023 (EST)RobSGive Peace a chance 15:42, January 12, 2023 (EST)
"Populism" is another example of "journalistic shorthand". It means "people with an IQ below 86", without journalists and news editors offending their readers who they depend upon to buy newspapers. RobSGive Peace a chance 15:53, January 12, 2023 (EST)
Hmm, that would evidently explain why Providence, and sections of New England in general, are quite Catholic compared to most of the country. —LT (Mark 8:36) Thursday, 16:01, January 12, 2023 (EST)
Boston today is predominantly Irish Catholic - but that was the result of 19th Century immigration. Certain states have constitutions and laws that reflect its Catholic origins, for example Louisiana (acquired after 1803), which is based more on the Code Napolean rather than British Common Law. In New Mexico, part of the former Spanish Empire, you can present a Baptismal Certificate rather than a Birth Certificate for a driver license (Protestants don't believe in infant baptism. In New England state, they'd laugh at you if you showed up at the DMV with a baptism certificate). RobSGive Peace a chance 16:25, January 12, 2023 (EST)
Another such "journalistic shorthand" is the attachment of "-gate" to a scandal, or any appearance of scandal, to evoke certain images to mind. RobSGive Peace a chance 18:08, January 12, 2023 (EST)
<totally useless trivia: In France the word "Panama" has the same meaning as "Watergate" in American English, stemming from the sale of bonds on the Paris Stock Exchange to build the Panama Canal, which never happened. It was Ponzi scheme, kinda like the modern crypto and the FTX scandal, where people invested and lost. RobSGive Peace a chance 18:14, January 12, 2023 (EST)

Off-topic

Populism became more intense in the USA and Britain after the 2007/2008 financial crisis. There are individuals knowledgeable about economics predicting that a Great Depression 2.0 and/or serious financial crisis will hit the USA sometime in the 2030s or in the near future.[23]. A noteable historian said that revolutions are often caused by people whose expectations about their financial futures are unmet. Conservative (talk)
Hmm, that indeed seems to be the direction the world is headed in... increasing populism means a fomenting revolution... then a "new world order" in the form of a Sunday law will be proposed by a united front of roman papal leaders, fundamentalist apostate Protestants, and environmentalists as the solution to global problems like populist revolt, thus triggering the mark of the beast and initiating the final stages of the end times. For more information, this documentary is a must-see.
Anyways, this discussion is really veering off-topic, I see. —LT (Mark 8:36) Thursday, 00:29, January 12, 2023 (EST)
We're in the Multipolar era, which follows after the WWII era, the Cold War era, and the Post-Cold War era in the scale of the human timeline. I love the Soviet era music, which is timed to narrate the story. RobSGive Peace a chance 18:28, January 12, 2023 (EST)

Wake up and smell the coffee - narrative flip

In the war against globalism and Ukrainian fascism, the Peace movement (i.e. conservative movement) needs to tone down anti-socialist and anti-communist rhetoric in order to defeat the War Party (Democrats). Latest example: CNBC: DAVOS WEF Greta Thunberg says Davos elite are prioritizing greed and short-term profits over people and the planet. Perhaps Greta Thunberg can be co-opted in the anti-globalist, anti-WEF, anti-Ukraine war movement.

IOWs, if you don't have anything positive to say about socialists and communists, just shut up, at least for the duration of the war. Read the bios of Bill Donovan, Frank Knox, and Henry Stimson. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, you especially need to just shut up. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:54, January 21, 2023 (EST)

Where is Antifa now, to protest US aid to flag waving Ukrainian nazis? WAKE UP!. RobSGive Peace a chance 18:06, January 21, 2023 (EST)
Don't worry about people like AOC, she is officially an establishment Democrat. You do not need to attack her as a "socialist". If anything, she has betrayed her "socialist" roots and principles for globalism and the establishment. A true socialist stands against nazism and fascism.RobSGive Peace a chance 18:25, January 21, 2023 (EST)

Biden admin & Congressional investigations

The Biden breaking of classified documents laws vs. allegations that Trump broke classified documents laws. This is a wild ride!

As far as the Biden breaking of classified documents laws vs. allegations that Trump broke classified documents laws, this is a wild ride in terms of presidential race politics! I have never seen something so surprising in American politics. It could be argued that this latest wrinkle of this conflict shows that God does have a sense of humour!

So far, as far as the weighted average of the aggregate of the leading prediction markets, Biden's chances of being president went down 4 points due to this scandal as far as his odds of being president according to the prediction markets and now resides at 21.8%. But we are just at the first inning of this Biden scandal. For example, Watergate took a while to develop as a scandal in terms of its impact if memory serves.

After the 2022 midterms, I looked at the data, and it seems like the weighted average of the aggregate of the betting markets is a lot more predictive than pundits and polls (See: Political polls vs. political betting markets. Which are better?).

The weighted average of the aggregate of the leading prediction markets indicates that there is now a 45.7% chance of a Democrat winning the presidential race of 2024. Conservative (talk) 19:50, January 12, 2023 (EST)

(ec) How you connect the dots between allegations and election forecasting is beyond me. Let's stick with establishing facts, right now. RobSGive Peace a chance 19:54, January 12, 2023 (EST)
In any discussion with you, you always present as conclusions some future election or demographic forecast, which of course are unknowable and not even facts. RobSGive Peace a chance 19:54, January 12, 2023 (EST)
We will agree to disagree. But I don't believe you looked into this matter. If you want to say the odds of various candidates being elected it is completely unknowable or think the polls, various models or various pundits are better that is fine with me. Conservative (talk) 20:18, January 12, 2023 (EST)
You are not contributing anything to fact gathering about Biden's classified documents scandal‎‎ which is necessary right now, and again introducing as conclusions of fact more unprovable speculation, which only confuses editors and readers. RobSGive Peace a chance 20:29, January 12, 2023 (EST)
The prediction markets incorporate facts as time progresses. And they are more quick to adapt to events than polling. Quality polling takes time and a lot of money.
It does appear that the Keys to the White House model and the weighted average of the aggregate of the prediction markets are the most predictive in terms of presidential election betting odds. The prediction markets appear to be a useful tool for other events too. Also, in terms of predictions, the research does appear to show that a team of "integrators" is better at predicting future events than highly specialized experts (See: The Peculiar Blindness of Experts). Conservative (talk) 20:34, January 12, 2023 (EST)
(ec) Your methodology is flawed. You hear a headline, and your imagination immediately jumps to forecasting the future, never mind what the facts may be (or unknown facts in a breaking story).
We are not gypsy fortune tellers, Conservapedia is not Madam Cleo's hotline, and I've never heard you claim to be a Prophet anointed by God. So until you have some credible evidence to post up in Conservapedia proven right, to offset all the misleading information you've posted, I like most readers are probably gonna ignore all your "anointed" predictions and forecasts (even when you cite some "expert"). RobSGive Peace a chance 20:43, January 12, 2023 (EST)

As far as political pundits, politics has become so partisan that they are largely often useless as far as predicting presidential elections. For example, Dr. Steve Turley is a smart and informative person, but so far he has a 50/50 record on picking who is going to win presidential politics (He predicted Trump would be the winner of presidential races twice - once in 2016 and once in 2020).

You are using a false equivalency which you are probably aware of. I don't believe your "gypsy" argument is a good-faith argument. At no time did I invoke the supernatural as far as predicting presidential politics or other events. At the same time, I do believe that Bible prophecy has a superb record in terms of predicting future events where it is applicable in doing so (Israel becoming a nation again, etc.).

I am not going to continue this discussion with you as I do not believe it would be productive. Conservative (talk) 20:48, January 12, 2023 (EST)

Your biggest failure is your desecularization forecasts; first, you failed to realize the collapse of the USSR and reemergence of the Russian Orthodox Church was the biggest desecularization process you've witnessed in your lifetime (and probably inspired Kaufman to begin his work), and secondly, your NATO-rooting for the establishment of Sodom and Gomorrah East, which the Russians are resisting by arms, totally discredits anything you say about desecularization, which you've failed to address. RobSGive Peace a chance 20:56, January 12, 2023 (EST)
I disagree with your previous comment in terms of its accuracy. And I am not going to continue this discussion with you as I do not believe it would be productive. Conservative (talk) 21:06, January 12, 2023 (EST)
The problem with Biden's classified documents scandal‎‎ is not Who will be the next president?; it is How can the system (FBI & DOJ) be reformed to prevent what has happened, and is still happening, regardless of who the next president is. In this way, you mislead readers with forecasts, diverting their attention away from facts. (It's basically partisanship, which you just complained about above.) RobSGive Peace a chance 21:15, January 12, 2023 (EST)

Kash Patel

Kash Patel says after a vote of House, the Speaker can order the Sergeant at Arms to arrest Merrick Garland and Christopher Wray and haul them off to the DC gulag if they refuse to enforce Congressional subpoenas. [24] RobSGive Peace a chance 20:20, January 15, 2023 (EST)

Biden and F-15s

Biden used the occasion of MLK day to once again fantasize about killing off domestic opposition using an F-15: "I love my right-wing friends who talk about the tree of liberty is water of the blood of patriots," he said. "If you need to work about taking on the federal government, you need some F-15s. You don't need an AR-15. I'm serious."[25][26]

Biden got this chestnut from Obama. At least in Obama's version there was an element of humor. The two most appalling words here are, "I'm serious." In Obama's day, rebellion didn't seem like an immediate concern. But the January 6 Committee has put the issue front and center. The Dems didn't think twice about using the BLM riots to oust Trump. Its okay to break covid lockdown as long you're doing it to riot and loot? The Pentagon wanted to send F-15s to Ukraine, but Biden vetoed this proposal. Yet this is a weapon that he's ready to use against Americans. PeterKa (talk) 23:07, January 17, 2023 (EST)

We're getting closer to the day where the question will be, Will Kamala use F-15s on MAGA strongholds? It's not unprecedented. Poroshenko used military airstrikes on Russian-speaking civilians in Donbas beginning in 2014 on NATO/US instructions, which started the NATO war in Ukraine. RobSGive Peace a chance 23:35, January 17, 2023 (EST)

Jeff Zients: Posterboy for corruption

So the new White House chief of staff has $5 million in gold bars. What does he know that we don't? He also made a ton of money in 2020 off the covid pandemic. And guess who's on the board of Facebook. Here is the Daily Mail: "Joe Biden's top coronavirus adviser Jeff Zients has up to $5 million in gold bars and earned $330,000 sitting on the board of Facebook" PeterKa (talk) 21:14, January 25, 2023 (EST)

Jeff Zients has disclosed owning between $89.3 million and $442.8 million in assets.[27] So at most, that would be 5% of assets are in gold, but it could be around 1% if he has $442.8 million in assets. This wouldn't be a terribly high percentage of his assets in gold if he has $442 million in assets. Conservative (talk) 21:25, January 25, 2023 (EST)

Managing MPR space

Although I could produce several good examples in recent weeks, today's is rather interesting; it demonstrates the proper way to (a) maximize the space for dissemination of timely information to our readers and (b) puts in the hands of our readers qualified sources of information for their own use. And this was done covering six timely news items, from 13 qualified sources using +929 bytes of space, or less than +200 bytes of space for each news item (actually, a little more than +150 bytes). RobSGive Peace a chance 08:14, January 18, 2023 (EST)

Update: 12 stories using +2400 bytes of space, or roughly +200 bytes per item. 16 qualified links shared. RobSGive Peace a chance 19:00, January 19, 2023 (EST)
Update: 5 news items using +686 bytes of space, or less than +150 bytes per item. [28] RobSGive Peace a chance 19:35, January 21, 2023 (EST)
Update: 10 items using +1439 bytes, or less than 150 bytes per item. [29] 12 recommended, qualified external sources. In a day when MSM sources are no longer trusted, our job is to give to readers information from qualified sources, as succinctly as possible, the information being withheld from them. RobSGive Peace a chance 21:39, February 1, 2023 (EST)

Balance

We need balance on MPR. Lately we've had several items on flooding in the city of Auckland NZ, and not a single word on riots in the cities of Memphis and Atlanta. This makes CP look il-informed, uninformed, and ridiculous. RobSGive Peace a chance 23:57, January 28, 2023 (EST)

Most of the world's population resides outside the United States. And the website is on the worldwide web. Conservative (talk) 23:59, January 28, 2023 (EST)
If you're reporting on disasters in cities, some mention of a violent uprising domestically takes precedence over a foreign natural disaster. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:14, January 29, 2023 (EST)

RedEaglePolitics' VP Candidates Tier List

I don't necessarily agree with everything RedEaglePolitics says, even when it comes to the choices he makes in this video. But nonetheless I think that he's a good analyst and that the video's worth a watch. Feel free to comment below!--Geopolitician (talk) 23:29, January 19, 2023 (EST)

For those who are not interested in watching the full 22 minutes, here are his choices. If you want to hear his reasoning, watch the video.

S TIER

  • Ron DeSantis
  • Kim Reynolds

A TIER

  • Mike Garcia
  • Josh Hawley
  • Glenn Youngkin

B TIER

  • Tucker Carlson
  • Jim Jordan
  • Kari Lake
  • Mark Robinson
  • J.D. Vance
  • Lee Zeldin

C TIER

  • Marsha Blackburn
  • Tulsi Gabbard
  • Marjorie Taylor Greene
  • Brian Kemp
  • Joe Lombardo
  • Rand Paul

D TIER

  • Ted Cruz
  • Joni Ernst
  • Kristi Noem
  • Mike Pence
  • Tim Scott
  • Elise Stefanik

F TIER

  • Nikki Haley
  • Mike Pompeo

--Geopolitician (talk) 23:38, January 19, 2023 (EST)

I've watched Red Eagle Politics in the past, and his election analytics sometimes carried interestingly high accuracy. However, he's a hard-populist nutjob with fringe viewpoints, especially in his eager defense of white supremacists like comsymp Nick Fuentes and propagation of "great replacement" junk (he also has sexist tendencies from what I noticed). Personally, I'd rather not give noteworthy attention to nor feed the clouts of those youthful band of ultra-"patriotic" "Christian nationalists," who I suspect are leading the path towards the end of humanity soon. —LT (Mark 8:36) Saturday, 22:33, January 20, 2023 (EST)
I have to agree with much of what LT said. In my experience, people focused on elections 2 years and 4 years out, and sometimes even just 6 mos., are not very knowledgeable about ongoing issues affecting everyday voters. They view politics as a popularity contest, and ignore everyday issues influencing voters like inflation, war, riots, lawlessness, and teaching gay sex in schools. RobSGive Peace a chance 18:45, January 21, 2023 (EST)

The only reason I posted this is because I wanted to prompt discussion regarding this specific analysis, rather than the credibility of REP as a whole.--Geopolitician (talk) 15:59, January 28, 2023 (EST)

Well, it's good to see somebody's optimistic about the planet surviving the Biden/WEF nuclear war and depopulation plans over the next two years. The problems is, it contradicts all your trashing talking neocons and the WEF. RobSGive Peace a chance 16:11, January 28, 2023 (EST)
Not really. For several years now I've seen World War III happening sometime between 2020 and 2025. Taking that into account, at the beginning of 2020 there was a 16% chance that the war would break out during the term of whoever is elected in 2024. Today, since we're still not (yet) in World War III that percentage has gone up to 32%. Cross your fingers.--Geopolitician (talk) 16:11, January 29, 2023 (EST)

Millenials and the future

Financial Times, Dec. 30, 2022.

How did anyone who lived through the covid lockdown come away thinking that liberals should be running anything? It's superimportant to stay at home and wear two masks, unless of course there is a BLM riot to attend. Fauci and "science" told us that anybody who thought covid originated in a Wuhan lab was a conspiracy theorist. But Fauci clearly didn't believe this himself, according to email that had been released under FOIA. The official view seems to be a kind of covid agnosticism in which you're not allowed an opinion. For the modern liberal, drug company profits trump everything else.

Until about ten years ago, Millenials were politically the same as previous generations. But in the last ten years, they have grown more liberal instead of more conservative. Historically, getting married is what made people turn conservative. A pox on higher education! American women need to get married young. PeterKa (talk) 05:27, January 25, 2023 (EST)

There's an alternative theory here: either traditional liberalism is dead, or it's been redefined. We've witnessed a split between liberals and progressives since the Obama era. Radical progressives, like AOC, are now establishment Democrats. Many traditional liberals continue to go on and become conservatives. What conservatives today must recognize is that many liberals, who still wear the name 'liberal', are not necessarily their opposites or enemies, but can be coalition allies against progressivism, wokeness, multinational corporate fascism and the globalist agenda which is an existential threat to humanity. RobSGive Peace a chance 06:37, January 25, 2023 (EST)

The quiet deception of Pagan-er, I mean Papal Rome

So in the recent news, Pope Francis says homosexuality is "not a crime but it's a sin." Let's take a flashback to this. So Pope Francis admits that homosexuality is a sin and supports civil unions for homosexuals, which ostensibly serves as states sanctioning and normalizing such behavior? It's a basic puzzle to piece together: Papal Rome quietly endorses sin. According to the Babylonian Talmud, the last straw that caused God to send the Great Flood was when the wicked in Noah's day sanctioned homosexual "marriage." And what did Jesus say about the circumstances just preceding his return? Matthew 24:37:

“ For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. ”

—ESV

And the apparent homosexual "marriages" occurring in Noah's day isn't even directly mentioned in the Bible, rather in rabbinic literature. OTOH, in Genesis 6:11, the Earth is described as "filled with violence" in the time of Noah, and look at how this world has started before even one month has passed. Several dozen mass shootings in the U.S., neo-Marxist rioting in Atlanta, theocratic murderous repressions in Iran, ruthless civil war in Ethiopia, continued Western collaboration with Ukronazis, etc. The end really is here... God knows how long there is left. At least the final days will be "cut short." Perhaps that's why time flies by nowadays. —LT (Matthew 26:52) Thursday, 21:45, January 25, 2023 (EST)

This is why we're sending Abrams tanks to Ukraine and risking World War III - to protect our God-given, sacred, constitutional and democratic rights and values to gay marriage. RobSGive Peace a chance 23:18, January 25, 2023 (EST)
The Natomites (portmanteau of two terms you can probably guess), unless they repent, may very well just inherit a special place in the Lake of Fire. —LT (Matthew 26:52) Thursday, 00:22, January 26, 2023 (EST)
If a nation does not de-criminalize homosexuality and legalize gay marriage, they get branded a "human rights violator" by the State Department and sanctioned. This is a core issue in the NATO war in Ukraine. I just can't get User:Conservative to see that, who prefers to sit on the fence and pretend he's unaffected by it cause he's an American. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:35, January 26, 2023 (EST)
Wow—the internationalists have an interest in promoting homosexuality as well as Ukronazism... and mainstream leftists still deny the gay–Nazi connection even Communists understood nearly a century ago! (you said above that commies are now expedient allies, so here you go) Anyways, this reply is probably much more relevant in the section right below, though I suddenly felt reminded to point it out. —LT (Matthew 26:52) Thursday, 00:50, January 26, 2023 (EST)
In studying the history of that era - say from the end of WWI to the end of WWII (1919-1945), and reading the original documents, it is important to understand the idioms and social mores of that time. To openly discuss homosexuality, for example, in any Western medium - print, press, academia, etc. was a social taboo. What made the Nazis so despicable and despised as early as 1920? The fact that they were dominated by homosexuals who spent years together in the trenches of WWI without seeing a woman.
Now we've undergone a couple of decades of historical revisionism and brainwashing, that homosexuals were supposedly targeted victims of Nazism because they were gay. No. A gay person more interested in sex than his duty to the country was targeted. But that same rule could apply to all persons shirking their responsibilities to the nation in war time. RobSGive Peace a chance 01:11, January 26, 2023 (EST)

While we're on the subject, let's go over the status of homosexuality in every country currently sanctioned at the governmental level by the US.

  • Afghanistan: Homosexuality illegal, punishable by death[30]
  • Belarus: Homosexuality legal, no same-sex marriage[31][32]
  • China: Homosexuality legal; expression restricted in the Mainland; unregistered co-habitation permitted except in Macau (reserved for resident aliens in Beijing and Hong Kong); no same-sex marriage[33][34][35][36][37][38]
  • Cuba: Same-sex marriage[39]
  • Eritrea: Homosexuality illegal, punishable by imprisonment[40]
  • Iran: Homosexuality illegal, punishable by death[41]
  • Iraq: Homosexuality illegal, punishable by imprisonment[42]
  • Myanmar: Homosexuality illegal but rarely enforced[43]
  • Nicaragua: Homosexuality legal, no same-sex marriage[44]
  • North Korea: Homosexuality de facto legal, no same-sex marriage
  • Russia: Homosexuality legal but expression restricted, no same-sex marriage[45][46][47][48]
  • Syria: Homosexuality illegal, punishable by imprisonment[49]
  • Turkey: Homosexuality legal, no same-sex marriage[50]
  • Venezuela: Homosexuality legal, no same-sex marriage[51]
  • Zimbabwe: Homosexuality illegal, punishable by imprisonment[52]

--Geopolitician (talk) 16:37, January 28, 2023 (EST)

Thanks. That looks like some useful and solid research (if you can provide links). Is there a mainspace you can add it to? I envision links from multiple pages and MPR. RobSGive Peace a chance 23:50, January 28, 2023 (EST)
I don't know how to add to mainspaces. But I can give you sources for MPR. I'll add them to the above list.--Geopolitician (talk) 16:33, January 29, 2023 (EST)
Wow, thanks. I wasn't expecting that much effort, so thanks again. I think that whole section can be pasted into the State Department article right now, and we'll figure out what to do with more after that. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:11, January 29, 2023 (EST)
As far as I can tell, Cuba is the only oddball on the list - gay marriage is legal yet they're still sanctioned. So other factors are at work. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:14, January 29, 2023 (EST)

Evidence of blackmail

No better transparent, immediate evidence of the United States State Department abusing its power and position of trust and leadership in the world by using blackmail, than this 1:50 minute report from euronews. After creating the crisis betrween Serbs and Kosovars, the State Department now promises to defend Serbs against Kosovo aggression (whom the US instigated) if Serbia will sign on to Russia sanctions. [53] RobSGive Peace a chance 19:54, January 23, 2023 (EST)

Note to Ace

I have a message for every internet atheist: You're a pathetic, uninfluential loser who has been totally defeated by God Almighty. The facts are undeniable. The data is uncontrovertible.

For more information, please see: Every internet atheist is a pathetic, uninfluential loser that God Almighty has smited

You misread the story. Neither CP nor myself took a stance on the HAARP weapon. We reported that 1 million people in Europe saw the tweet with the alleged lightening, and may believe it. No different than NATO tactics.

But you got me blocked over there, so go on with your fascist bullcrap. RobSGive Peace a chance 21:00, February 16, 2023 (EST)

RobS, Ace has held "important jobs in marking, comms, sales" and he currently used Starlink (He probably meant to type "marketing", but one of his addictions may have caused the post to be garbled. But he assures me that he can quit anytime.). Given the importance of his jobs, he may not have time to respond to you. By the way, given that nothing happens in business without a sale, I am wondering what an unimportant job in marketing/sales looks like. I guess we may never know given his busyness. Conservative (talk) 23:43, February 16, 2023 (EST)
Well, he can't be too smart, given most customers/buyers get offended by cigarette smoke/breath. And you can't get that smell out of clothing and hair, either. He's fooling himself, and limiting his own income. Too bad. But that's one way to keep his child support payments low. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:23, February 17, 2023 (EST)
Ace frequently mentions his drinking as well. And we really don't know how successful in sales he is, but we do know that addictions lower sales performance. Consider what Bigtimecloser Academy indicated: "No matter what story you may hear about the high-flying, rock star salesperson – alcoholics are and will always be less successful in sales than their sober counterparts... When you’re drinking, you become a liar – to yourself and everyone around you. You tell lies about your feelings, fears, and accomplishments – you even lie to yourself about who you really are. And as a result, you lose business and damage your reputation. It takes a long time to build a solid reputation – but losing it can happen in an instant."[54] It's truly tragic. A salesman's mind is a terrible thing to waste.
I am laughing at the self-proclaimed, so-called, superior sales and marketing intellect! Let him show me how powerful at marketing he is. I dare him to revive the dead atheist movement (See: Decline of the atheist movement) and to reverse the precipitous decline of internet atheism (See: Internet atheism web traffic volume and Internet evangelism: Christians vs. atheists).
On behalf of all Christendom, whose religion is gaining a higher and higher internet profile, I hereby declare total victory! See: Every internet atheist is a pathetic, uninfluential loser that God Almighty has smited.
Anytime Ace wants to repent and ask God for victory over his addictive lifestyle, he can do so. And every Sunday, the church door is always open. Conservative (talk) 02:17, February 17, 2023 (EST)
Well, his smoking, drinking, and poor sales performance might have had something to do with his divorce and the lower standard of living the whole family suffers from now, not to mention the childhood trauma inflicted upon that poor girl which she's likely to never recover from and carry an inability to forge trusting, loving relationships with other people, but who cares? Let's have another drink. RobSGive Peace a chance 03:35, February 17, 2023 (EST)
The atheist Darwin Bedford, who legally changed his first name to Darwin and owns the website Atheists.net, was featured on CBC's News Day Special and also appeared in English journalist Rod Liddle's documentary The Trouble with Atheism.Atheist.net[5]

In 2016, Beford indicated: "I’m not retired yet, but when I am, I promise to expand my efforts regarding my web sites."[6]

According to the leading web marketing company SEMRush.com, as of February 17, 2023, Atheists.net is not registering any Google referral traffic which means it is receiving little to no Google referral traffic monthly visits.

Google uses over 200 factors to evaluate the quality and the relevance of a website to various topics.
Note to Ace: Sorry, we're getting off track here, but you got me blocked in you peoples' infinite collective wisdom and stupidity over there. I respect you guys (and girls and other things) so I don't sockpuppet or troll over there. Show some respect and decency, and don't come here to respond. Show some cahoonies and unblock me, or do you get sadistic pleasure out of beating up on a blind guy who can't respond? RobSGive Peace a chance 03:42, February 17, 2023 (EST)
RobS, if Ace was as skilled as he claimed to be when it comes to sales and marketing, he would have landed some performance-based SEO contracts with atheist organizations that guaranteed increased Google traffic to their websites and also instituted some successful online funding appeals so his work would pay for itself. But he's all talk. He's just like all other internet atheists!
And don't expect Ace to have the cahoonies to unblock you. He's probably a timid sales and marketing person who's too afraid to approach atheist organizations with SEO proposals. He's too afraid they might say no! Conservative (talk) 04:27, February 17, 2023 (EST)
A challenge to Ace: The atheist Darwin Bedord, who legally changed his first name to Darwin and owns the website atheists.net, was featured on CBC's News Day Special and also appeared in the documentary The Trouble with Atheism.[55][56] I challenge you to approach Darwin Bedford with an SEO contract. I bet you are too afraid to approach him.
According to SEMRUsh.com, the website atheists.net received ZERO referral visits from Google last month. I am giving you one year to land an SEO contract with him and then markedly improve his website's Google referral traffic once your work begins. Considering the Google referral traffic his website is receiving presently that shouldn't be too hard to do!
Question: Will Ace land an SEO contract with the owner of Atheists.net who is Darwin Bedford? Or is Ace too chicken to approach him because he might say no! Conservative (talk) 05:17, February 17, 2023 (EST)
Ace, now is the time to be a more assertive and mentally tough saleperson! "I’m not retired yet, but when I am, I promise to expand my efforts regarding my web sites." - the atheist Darwin Bedford.[57] Ace, go get'm tiger and land an SEO contract with the atheist David Medford. Your contract can specify that your SEO work and billing will commence upon his retirement. And don't forget to tell him about all the money he will save by locking in a price now amidst inflation besetting many countries. Create a sense of urgency and close that deal! And remember, "Always be closing"!!! Conservative (talk) 05:36, February 17, 2023 (EST)
By the way Ace, you are a self-proclaimed atheist who wants me to blindly believe that you are successful in the sales and marketing field without any proof and evidence. Now I do see the trainwreck of internet atheism while you apparently sit on your thumbs. Contact Darwin Bedford and give me some evidence! Conservative (talk) 07:16, February 17, 2023 (EST)
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I know that Ace disparaged me and my writings in the past. In the past, he said I was "fair game". Nevertheless, I will stop taunting him over his various failures. Jesus said to love your enemy. And Proverbs says, "Do not rejoice when your enemies fall, and do not let your heart be glad when they stumble, or else the Lord will see it and be displeased, and turn away his anger from them." (Proverbs 24:17-18). Conservative (talk) 07:41, February 17, 2023 (EST)
Cons, don't get too carried away now. Remember, we're not suppose to provoke these a-holes gentlemen gentlepersons them. RobSGive Peace a chance 07:52, February 17, 2023 (EST)
I am moving this content to a less provocative location at this wiki. Conservative (talk) 14:04, February 17, 2023 (EST)
Where to? --SingleChristian1 (talk) 14:11, February 17, 2023 (EST)
This location is fine. Archives receive less page views. Conservative (talk) 14:14, February 17, 2023 (EST)
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