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Biblical creationism will be strong in 2015

See: Essay: Biblical creationism will be strong in 2015.

Stronger, higher, faster! Conservative 22:36, 17 January 2015 (EST)

Joni Ernst article

The Joni Ernst article at Tea Party Crusaders contains an error: Senator Ernst served two terms in the Iowa State Senate not one. VargasMilan 02:22, 20 January 2015 (EST)

But then again, "state senator" could have two meanings, U. S. senator of a state or senator within a state. VargasMilan 02:28, 20 January 2015 (EST)

I just like the fact that she is a feisty conservative who rides a motorcycle and is pro-gun. A Shockofgod for the US Senate. :) Conservative 14:46, 20 January 2015 (EST)

New planet

Our space probe is approaching the new planet at about the speed of jet airliner, and all through February we expect to get better and better views of its surface, the probe arriving in orbit in early March. This planet has already been featured on Conservapedia's main page (as well as Fox News), if you need help guessing what it is. VargasMilan 01:51, 23 January 2015 (EST)

Yahoo's top news link: "By the way, there happens to be a spacecraft near a planet. And I'll be darned, but the planet happened to be in visual range!" And the icing on the cake is the only thing they find unusual about the situation is a feature of the planet discovered years ago which they describe as the spacecraft having "found". Nothing is a drama (like a mission to a never-visited planet) unless Yahoo says it is, and if it's not a drama (like something already discovered), it is if Yahoo says so. Yahoo obviously adheres to a Yahoo-centric model of the universe. VargasMilan 01:51, 24 January 2015 (EST)

Atheism statistics article - The excitement is raging!

The fans of the Freedom from Atheism Foundation love the Atheism statistics article.

Here are some of the reviews after only 16 hours:

John Barbagiannis: Damning statistics

Jennifer Michele: Interesting

Stephen J. Ardent: It's not surprising. When you think that the only value a human has is the value another human places on that life, it's really easy to treat the bulk of humanity as simply trash to be dealt with.

Grace Kim Kwon It's nearly a billion if the unborns are counted. Christianity saves and rescues, but atheism kills and destroys.

Scott O'Steen: ...I actually pity them , often it seems like arguing with a spoiled teenager, I have to be in the mood to argue with them

Rhoda Winters: Yup. Atheism is poison.

Keith Wade: You should check up on that, because Conservapedia is a website writing an article. They are not the "source". The whole article shows all references for people just like you who (for some reason) think they wrote it all themselves despite the repeated explanations throughout.

Jeffrey McMunn: Good stuff, Señor Maickon. . .

Please notice the last comment. Evidently, he thought the article was well-done. Olé! Olé! Olé!

By the way, 11 hours ago I received a report of another Christian sharing the article with atheists/Christians/others.

Will the article be widely shared among Christian YouTubers and Christian bloggers/websites? Stay tuned for further developments! Conservative 02:00, 25 January 2015 (EST)

74 people told their friends about this article - so far.  :) Is this just the beginning? :) Conservative 13:17, 25 January 2015 (EST)

I like the article; it just shows how foolish atheists are. Karajou 08:29, 27 January 2015 (EST)

My spider sense is tingling

User Conservative, I thought I'd take a look at https://www.facebook.com/FFAF.International to check out the claims your collective made and I found that all the quotes your collective posted above were there. Your collective's article did indeed make an impact with these people.

I remember a few days ago that AugustO posted a comment on this talkpage (hastily archived by your collective) that brought attention to the fact that a lot of likes seem to originate from outside the U.S., particularly Middle/Far East countries.

I found this site http://www.sterntv-experimente.de/FacebookLikeCheck/ which can show the countries which the 'facebook likes' originate from. It's in German but easy to work out! Don't take my word for it, do it yourself.

Here is what I found out: 59% of the total 'likes' for https://www.facebook.com/FFAF.International come from just 6 countries - Indonesia (17.6%), Pakistan (12.4%), Iraq (8.3%), Nepal (7.9%). Bangladesh (6.5%) and Algeria (6.4%).

Likes from America are 5.6%.

It could be argued that this is an international website so obviously it would attract a great deal of likes from all over the world. Although it is written in English... And all the comments are in English...

After a little more digging, I came across the phrase 'Click farms' [1]. Apparently there are many businesses where facebook users can purchase 'likes' to bolster support for their page. The workers for these sites are often paid very low wages[2]. The 'click farms' are often in developing countries and particularly in Asia.

To be blunt, I think https://www.facebook.com/FFAF.International is buying facebook 'likes' to boost the popularity of it's articles.

I know the evidence I've presented is circumstantial but maybe it would be wise if your collective could investigate this further before using this facebook page as a reliable source for proving your group's successes.

EJamesW 17:14, 26 January 2015 (EST)

A few points:

1. FFAF did NOT share Conservapedia's main atheism article. Yet, the CP's main atheism article has 25 Google Plus likes, 4,122 Facebook likes, and 343 Twitter tweets. And all of these social media likes/tweets were unsolicited.

2. I already covered the issue of Facebook advertising and the issue of it bringing some unwanted likes to your web page, etc. I was told by a friend of mine that FFAF does a lot of Facebook advertising so it is understandable that they would receive some unwanted Faceboook like. In addition, I am not sure if they do Facebook advertising in countries outside the USA. Wit that being said, I am really not a big fan of Facebook. I like YouTube much better. I like the business plan of YouTube much better than Facebook too and just saw an interesting video on this topic HERE.

3. FFAF is just a portion of the traffic to CP's atheism articles. I/we just like seeing some immediate feedback (their fans' comments about the CP atheism articles) to my/our new atheism articles that FFAF chooses to share with their fans. For example, FFAF shared my/our "Atheism statistics" article on the their Facebook page and it got 1,337 Facebook likes, 39 comments, and 93 shares. Personally, I like reading the comments and appreciate the 93 Facebook shares the article got. I really don't care about the Facebook likes. I just mentioned the Facebook likes for fun.

At the same time, the newly created CP atheism article called "Atheism statistics" currently has 1,623 Facebook likes and 2 Twitter tweets so far. So if you do the math you have 1,623 total Facebook likes minus 1,337 FFAF Facebook likes equals 286 Facebook likes not received from the FFAF source. So where did those extra 286 Facebook likes come from? Well, I believe most of them came from a Christian or Christians at Facebook who like my articles and share them with others.

4. If you don't think my articles are having an impact, I am fine with that. If you do, that is fine too. I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over it either way and I/we am/are quite content. In fact, I actually prefer the opposition to underestimate me/us. :) As Sun Tzu said, 卑则骄之 and 知彼知己，百戰不殆；不知彼而知己，一勝一負；不知彼，不知己，每戰必殆 And of course, he also said, 微乎微乎，至于无形；神乎神乎，至于无声；故能为敌之司命。 :) I hope that clarifies things! :) Conservative 18:20, 26 January 2015 (EST

By the way, will the "atheism and statistics" article be shared via YouTube Christians and amongst Christian bloggers? Stay tuned for further developments! Unless of course, it is done clandestinely! 此（译注：用间）兵之要，三军之所恃而动也。 :) Conservative 18:42, 26 January 2015 (EST)

Hello user:conservative. All I'm saying is that this your group should avoid citing this facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/FFAF.International as a success indicator for your articles. I'm glad you've conceded it uses 'underhand' techniques to boost support for the posts it makes. Why don't you make your own facebook page instead? EJamesW 18:40, 26 January 2015 (EST)

As far as it using so-called "underhanded" methods, I conceded no such thing. Did you watch this video or are you just spouting off without being knowledgeable about this matter? I have been told that FFAF is largely supported by a foundation with considerable resources. I would guess that they would have to submit reports on their operating expenses (Facebook adverting, etc) and a foundation would not pay for click farm fees. The bottom line is that legitimate Facebook advertisers will have some unwanted likes from click farmers.

I think you are wasting my time about this matter at this point. Feel free to engage in last wordism. :) Conservative 18:52, 26 January 2015 (EST)

Conservative, your articles that have been published on the FFAF facebook page have been quite informative and have therefore bringed me to this wonderful site. Arigato 18:10, 5 February 2015 (EST)

Arigato, thanks for the compliment about the atheism articles. Conservative 19:17, 5 February 2015 (EST)

I think FFAF will be sharing another Conservapedia atheism article sometime this month. If this occurs, it will be announced at Conservapedia. Conservative 19:32, 5 February 2015 (EST)

Suggestion for fixing line height

There is a fix here for fixing line height of refs, which is a noticeable visual flaw on pages right now:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Extension_talk:Cite/line_height

--Joshua Zambrano 19:25, 25 January 2015 (EST)

Joshua, the owner of the website is User:Aschlafly. I suggest contacting him via his user talk page about this matter. Also, give him a link to a wiki that uses this extension so he can see the results of employing this extension. Conservative 02:11, 26 January 2015 (EST)

I know. :) I've already made dozens of pages on Conservapedia.[3] I've just been away for a while. --Joshua Zambrano 04:22, 26 January 2015 (EST)

About a year and a half or so to be specific. I tend to do a ton of editing all at once in a short amount of time, but when active I get a lot accomplished. [4] --Joshua Zambrano 04:26, 26 January 2015 (EST)

Patriots football-deflating scandal

What exactly is Conservapedia claiming credit for correctly predicting on Main Page Right here?---eg

The Patriots

Well, I guess they didn't need a guy who for some reason is featured tackling his own mother to win. It's mildly annoying being a Green Bay fan, knowing they'd have taken care of New England like they did earlier in the season, but hey. RedG 01:46, 2 February 2015 (EST)

Did they win? Post Deflategate, everyone knows they aren't really Super Bowl champions. If the end, cheaters never truly prosper. Conservative 02:54, 2 February 2015 (EST)

According to the ceremonies last night, it was indeed the Patriots who accepted the Lombardi trophy. So yes, I'd say they won. RedG 14:12, 2 February 2015 (EST)

Halal Deceit Uncovered

Even a bunch of animal activists can be useful - see animal abuse in UK Halal slaughterhouse revealed by hidden camera. So called "inspectors" from the government overlooked inadequacies so as not to make Muslims look bad. This may be Main Page Right material - let me know what you think! ConsMovies 10:12, 3 February 2015 (EST)

By the way, there are many overlooked Conservative Movies still to add to Essay:Greatest Conservative Movies, which is why I have added Mars Needs Moms. ConsMovies 10:13, 3 February 2015 (EST)

Kosher meat better than most Western World supermarket meat?

Please look at THIS and THIS. The Jewish manner of slaughtering animals may be more humane than modern methods and the meat may be better for human consumption.

This is what the secular, liberal NY Times was forced to admit: "Kosher foods, which must meet a number of dietary and processing rules to comply with traditional Jewish law, are the fastest growing ethnic cuisine, reports the market research firm Mintel. Sales of kosher foods reached $12.5 billion in 2008, an increase of 64 percent since 2003."[5]Conservative 17:47, 3 February 2015 (EST)

Part the reason for the uptick of the demand for kosher meat is the process of desecularization and the growth of religious conservatism which happening presently and is expected to continue in the 21st century due to the higher fertility rates of religious conservatives (see: Decline of global atheism). Conservative 17:56, 3 February 2015 (EST)

There's another reason for the uptick in demand for kosher food... it's delicious. --DonnyC 21:36, 3 February 2015 (EST)

Without comment on the taste (I'm more of an organ meat guy, I don't consider myself qualified to comment on the finer cuts of meat), just in case you think all kosher butchers are following protocol you might want to do a search for Doheney's. Make of that what you will. RedG 23:36, 3 February 2015 (EST)

Members of User:Conservative, is that the view you all share? Of course standards can slip in any slaughterhouse/abattoir but the real story here is a secular regulator turning a blind eye for fear of looking "racist." In their quest for an appearance of liberal "balance" they let Muslims do anything! This means that in Britain halal is just another word for unregulated! ConsMovies 19:19, 7 February 2015 (EST)

News

Not the best source, but ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2944351/Christian-school-forces-gay-student-leave-telling-closet-stay.html

I thought one of the tenets of Christianity was tolerance, it's sad to see things like this. RedG 15:41, 10 February 2015 (EST)

Practicing toleration towards something presupposes that you think it's morally wrong. Is that how you are characterizing the activity of gays, as morally wrong? VargasMilan 17:12, 10 February 2015 (EST)

I have no objections, moral or otherwise, to gay people or their expressions of sexuality (I'm straight but have chosen to be single my entire life), but evidently the people running this school do. Instead of simply allowing this student to live his life they chose to try to impose their views on him, hardly an act of tolerance. RedG 22:58, 10 February 2015 (EST)

You are conflating two meanings of the word "tolerance". In one sense it means "not interfering with at all". In another it means "not making something illegal". Actually, there are lots of things that are legal that we should earnestly persuade people not to do. VargasMilan 10:14, 11 February 2015 (EST)

John Kitzhaber

Could someone with a knowledge of American politics update John Kitzhaber? Thanks --AugustO 15:41, 19 February 2015 (EST)

Quick question

How is having no gun control whatsoever working out in Somalia? I've heard the place described as many things, are safe and stable among them? If you think it's such a paradise because anyone can walk around with military-grade weapons, I suggest you pay the place a visit yourself. RedG 22:43, 24 February 2015 (EST)

Response to your question

Somalia was a worse place when the oppressive liberals/leftists were in power. Anarchy is turning out better than an oppressive and corrupt leftist government. See: Somali “Anarchy” Is More Orderly than Somali Government

So put that in your leftist pipe and smoke it!

At the same time, countries with a Protestant cultural heritage are better places to live than a Muslim/tribal/anarchy type situation and have produced the most productive and free societies in the history of the world.

Harvard University historian Niall Ferguson declared: "Through a mixture of hard work and thrift the Protestant societies of the North and West Atlantic achieved the most rapid economic growth in history."[6]

Switzerland has one of the top and most stable economies in the world, low gun fatalities and murder/crime rates and generous gun rights. It also has one of the highest percentages of biblical creationists in Europe.[7]

See also:

• Protestant work ethic and European countries

• Protestant work ethic

• Article on Protestant vs. Catholic religion and corruption.

I hope this clarifies things! Conservative 23:40, 24 February 2015 (EST)

So are you telling me you'd be willing to go for a firsthand experience? RedG 00:34, 25 February 2015 (EST)

You lost this battle leftie. Best to lick your wounds.

By the way, unlike drab attired Maoists, partly thanks to their exposure to the fashionable Italian capitalists (who formerly engaged in the sin of colonization) the Somalis are one of the best dressed people in the world!!!!. Viva Italia! And Italy allows concealed carry gun permits to boot! Conservative 00:41, 25 February 2015 (EST)

And one other thing: Unlike many corpulent Western atheists, Somalis are generally slim! See: Google search for Somalis. Conservative 00:56, 25 February 2015 (EST)

I was unaware that having a large percentage of your country's population malnourished and starving to death was considered a virtue. RedG 11:18, 25 February 2015 (EST)

As a left-handed person myself, I take offense to your characterization above. Furthermore, I don't think that Somalis are actually that smartly attired in general. When I was watching the movie Captain Phillips, I wasn't thinking "Boy, those Somali pirates are snazzy dressers! I wonder, did they have those clothes custom-made by skilled European craftsmen, or did they buy them off the rack at Macy's?" But I will admit that they appeared to be less corpulent than Richard Dawkins or Rush Limbaugh.

I don't think the economic growth and prosperity of European countries, and the reason for same, were part of RedG's question. But thanks for giving us much food for thought. And, of course, now I'll have to write an article on the idiom "licking one's wounds".

By the way, Somalia and Abu-Dhabi are different countries. SamHB 09:44, 25 February 2015 (EST)

I just read that many Somalians are now facing food insecurity due due to a poor harvest and natural disasters in 2014 and current fighting. [8][9] Somalia has had at least 40 years of very bad governments or anarchy with fighting between tribes. I hope things improve. Conservative 11:48, 25 February 2015 (EST)

Re: Durham Free School

Just a quick point; the British Government isn't 'closing' the Durham Free School; it's withdrawing state funding from it because of the school's consistent failure to achieve nationally required, minimum educational standards. A report by OFSTED, the independent body charged with monitoring British schools, placed the school in 'special measures' in November 2014 because of the failures of staff and governors [10]. As a result of its failure to improve, the school will receive no further state funding. I'm not an expert in this field, but I understand that the school is free to carry on if the religious body that runs it wants to pick up all the bills. However, the British taxpayer will no longer be paying for a school which is patently failing in its duties to the children it's supposed to be educating. NicosB 12:19, 3 March 2015 (EST)

Atheist John Gray: Attention angry, SJWs who are afraid of the global flourishing of religion and conflate science with your pet political ideologies

Atheist John Gray: Attention angry, atheist SJWs who are afraid of the global flourishing of religion and conflate science with your pet political ideologies.[11]. The article is in The Guardian!!!!! Conservative 21:49, 4 March 2015 (EST)

Thanks for moving this off my talk page. I suppose it would be tacky to point out your carelessness in this matter, since your are presumably licking your wounds after the embarrassment of this, but please watch what you are doing.

And what's an SJW???? Single Jewish Woman? Seriously, I have no idea, and I suspect many other readers don't either. Please keep the intended audience in mind when you write. SamHB 22:37, 4 March 2015 (EST)

THIS is a SJW (ideology practiced by sour, angry, secular leftists). See: Various types of atheists/non-believers and anger. Conservative 00:39, 5 March 2015 (EST)

It's what Conservative fears most in the world: someone who thinks Christianity is something other than creationism and hate the homos, ClintBarton 14:59, 6 March 2015 (EST)

Fear? "The wicked flee when no one pursues, but the righteous are bold as a lion" - Solomon. "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love." - the Apostle John.

See also: Atheism and cowardice

Feel free to engage in last wordism. Conservative 15:25, 6 March 2015 (EST)

Recent news report about creationism rising in Europe

Science Nordic: Creationism is rising in Europe

John Hopkins Press: European Darwinism is a burning building

Johns Hopkins University Press reported in 2014: "Over the past forty years, creationism has spread swiftly among European Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Hindus, and Muslims, even as anti-creationists sought to smother its flames."[12]

The 21st century is going to be a horrendous century for Darwinism and atheism. See: Desecularization and Biblical Christianity spreading quickly in Europe.

Are you ready atheists/evolutionists? It sure doesn't look like it! See: Atheism and leadership and Atheist movement and Atheism: A house divided and in global decline.

It's inevitable militant atheists. No point fighting a lost cause. Conservative 15:52, 6 March 2015 (EST)

Data showing atheism is in a slump?

Attention Atheists: Google trends indicates: You are in a slump![13]

New Jersey Sen. Robert Menendez story

It seems logical. I mean Menendez is publicly in opposition of Obama's Iran deal. He is the target of the Obama administration. How many times can you count the Democrats targeting a fellow Democrat? It is rare, possibly never, do they go on the attack against one another. By the way, he should have been prosecuted for his prostitution scandal. --Jpatt 17:52, 6 March 2015 (EST)

Classic showdown: New data

Showdown: Creation Ministries International vs. Richard Dawkins. Who wins?

ISIS/Islamic State

If we are going to use "ISIS" on the main page, as I certainly think we should, perhaps our article should be moved so that the title corresponds. There are various Islamic states, past and present, so many media organizations have adopted "ISIS" to avoid confusion. PeterKa 18:47, 10 March 2015 (EDT)

Germanwings flight: Islamic terrorism?

At the moment, there is not even a hind of evidence supporting such a connection. The total absence of recorded prayers could link the copilot to atheism, so I assume that atheists will be the next group you want to associate with this horrible tragedy.

It's just a despicable question, obviously trying to exploit this terrible, terrible incident.

--AugustO 16:24, 28 March 2015 (EDT)

...that is, if you ignore recent history of Muslims causing incidents on commercial flights. Such as the shoe bomber, the underwear bomber, the soft drink bottle bombers, the multiple praying imams incident—all intended to refresh our memory of the three thousand innocent civilians and firefighters killed on September 11, 2001 in New York.

Recently the Taliban machine-gunned over a hundred people at a school, so most people know that Islamic terrorism hasn't gone away.

But I see that you're not too aggrieved by the incident so as to lack the energy to sweep away these obvious relevancies to Islam and impugn those who make appropriate connections between the two. VargasMilan 00:20, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

• After Lubitz did a stint as a male fight attendant, they called him "Tomato Andy." That's because "while a tomato is thought to be a vegetable, it is really a fruit."[14] The reason you didn't laugh is because that was a German joke and they're not supposed to be funny. Just think how many more people Lubitz could have murdered if it wasn't for those tight German gun control laws. PeterKa 21:22, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

Two things:

1. Although many airplane terrorists have been Muslims, there appears to be no evidence he was a Muslim: https://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/germanwings-co-pilot-s-non-existent-muslim-conversion_901589.html He appears to be have been an egotistical, selfish, bitter and depressed individual who had suicidal tendencies in the past.[15][16] I will let AugustO determine if those characteristics best fit Bible believers or atheists/irreligious individuals.

According to the Eurobarometer Poll taken in 2010, 45% of Germans agreed with the statement "I believe there is a God".[17] See also: Atheism and arrogance and Atheism and social intelligence and Atheism and loneliness and Atheism and bitterness and Atheism and uncharitableness and Atheism and depression and Atheism and suicide.

2. "Reinforced, bullet-proof doors became standard for most of the world’s airlines after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks as a way to prevent intruders from entering the cockpit."[18] Conservative 03:41, 31 March 2015 (EDT)

Tiger Woods

Is no longer a top 100 golfer.[19]--GhazS 17:33, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

My edit this page button disappeared

I don't think I'm blocked, but my "edit this page" button disappeared from all pages and I can't edit. Anyone else having this problem? DMorris 07:50, 1 April 2015 (EDT)

I had an editing problem for a 1-2 day stretch and then the problem went away. Parts of pages sometimes disappeared and I could not edit at times. It was a different problem than yours though.

I suggest emailing Andy or leaving a message on his talk page. I also suggest switching browsers and/or rebooting your computer. Conservative 08:09, 1 April 2015 (EDT)

Andreas Lubitz

It seems he was a Lutheran Christian.[20].--GhazS 11:03, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

I'm sure any headlines on the Main Page that suggest he was an atheist will be immediately retracted. --Randall7 14:15, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

The headlines are about liberal denial, nothing needs to change TheRedElephant 17:39, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

The article does not say the co-pilot was a member of that church and merely says he had attended the church. If memory serves, in the USA, about 10% of atheists go to church regularly. "A new study out of Rice University has found that 17 percent - about one out of five scientists who describe themselves as either atheists or agnostics - actually go to church, although not too often, and not because they feel a spiritual yearning to join the faithful."[21]

In addition, if he was an ardent Bible believing Christian, surely he would have not been suicidal (It is atheists who are more likely to be suicidal than the general population. See: Atheism and suicide and Atheism and depression). Furthermore, the Bible says to put others before yourself and teaches sacrificial love. Unlike Christianity, there is nothing inherent in atheism that teaches sacrificial love (See also: Atheism and uncharitableness and Atheism and love and Agape).

Another important point is that post-Darwinism and the rise of liberal theology in the 19th/20th centuries, many German "churches" are unbiblical in doctrine and are spiritually dead and losing members. Many mainline Lutheran churches are losing members in Germany and in other countries as well such as the United States (The Christian Post mentioned the co-pilot attended a Lutheran church).[22][23]

At the same time, on March 17, 2014, the news website Deutsche Well reported that evangelical Christianity has doubled in Germany in the last 10 years.[24] There haven't been any reports that the German co-pilot was a member of a Bible believing/evangelical church.

Exactly. Not a true Christian. Atheist. TheRedElephant 18:02, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

The pastor at the murderer's local church knew him from ... 13 years ago, when he was a teenager. [25] That doesn't sound like a churchgoing adult.--Andy Schlafly 21:05, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

Andy, where did you get the information from that he was a atheist and/or terrorist? Do you have a reference?--GhazS 21:08, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

You don't think the liberal media is going to admit this, do you?--Andy Schlafly 22:51, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

A few points:

In terms of evidence regarding any issue, there is direct evidence and indirect evidence.

The indirect evidence that the co-pilot was non-religious and/or an atheist:

Andreas Lubitz appears to be have been an egotistical, selfish, bitter and depressed individual who had suicidal tendencies in the past.[26][27]

According to the Eurobarometer Poll taken in 2010, 45% of Germans agreed with the statement "I believe there is a God".[28] See also: Atheism and arrogance and Atheism and social intelligence and Atheism and loneliness and Atheism and bitterness and Atheism and uncharitableness and Atheism and depression and Atheism and suicide.

I will let GhazS and AugustO determine if the characteristics of egotistical, selfish, bitter and depressed/suicidal best fit Bible believers or atheists/irreligious individuals.

Furthermore, there is the adage of if you were on trial for being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict you? There certainly appears to be a lack of compelling evidence that the co-pilot was a Christian! And it appears as if monotheists are a minority in Germany based on the previously cited Eurobarometer poll!!!!!

I hope that clarifies matters!!!! Conservative 22:57, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

It most certainly does not clarify matters. Cons has filled this whole section with speculation about statistical tendencies that he perceives, relating to atheism and various aspects of mental health. He has buttressed this with little more than a bunch of links to his silly pages on such topics as Atheism and love/depression/suicide/loneliness/bitterness/arrogance/uncharitableness/social intelligence/etc., along with something about Post-Darwinism, and something about the Lutheran Church losing members, and something about evangelical Christianity doubling in Germany in the last 10 years, and on and on and on. It is, of course, his right to fill Conservapedia with quotes that he picks up from around the web on the subjects of atheism and XXX. And to spout off on these subjects at every opportunity.

But there's something I can't help noticing. Everything he says in the dozens of silly pages relates to statistical effects, that is, poll results, along with his personal speculations. Presumably these insights arise from his use of the Generalized linear model that he and I have discussed so many times. Though Cons doesn't show his work and explain how the model was used. But there's one thing that sticks out like a proverbial sore thumb. In the middle of all this statistical number-crunching mish-mash, Cons says "if [Andreas Lubitz] was an ardent Bible believing Christian, surely he would have not been suicidal". Surely? He surely would not have been suicidal? Does Cons know something about the generalized linear model that the rest of us don't? SamHB 20:47, 5 April 2015 (EDT)

From the Daily Mail article that Andy cited: "The pastor added that there is no direct contact with the family at the moment, but that he believes they are receiving good assistance."[29]

The crash happened on 3/24/2014. Apparently, the the GermanWings co-pilot's family did not attend his church on Sunday 3/29/2015 nor has the pastor talked to the family subsequent to the crash. And consider this 2013 news report about godless Germany: "Of those that identify themselves as Protestants, the number of people who go to church regularly is far smaller with 4 percent of Protestants attending church on Good Friday, the paper reported."[30]

Is or was the family non-religious? If so, did they raise an irreligious son who become an atheist? Conservative 23:15, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

In 2008, in Germany, about 35% of people indicated that they never attend church.[31] Conservative 23:35, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

Recently, I watched an interesting documentary on the egotistical and suicidal German evolutionist Adolf Hitler which indicated that rather than end the war via a treaty which would have saved lives, Hitler chose to drag things on to the bitter end due to pride and other psychological factors and then ultimately committed suicide. And Hitler's psychological profiler within the U.S. government predicted this course of action. VIDEO

Interesting. You have a statistic from 2008, indicating that, according to someone's survey, 35% of people in Germany never attend church. And you conclude from that that Lubitz was surely an atheist? Are you sure you are applying Bayes' theorem correctly? SamHB 22:47, 5 April 2015 (EDT)

Sam, the murderer was educated in Christianity but obviously chose not to attend church for many years. His actions then speak volumes. What are you looking for, an admission on YouTube???--Andy Schlafly 22:59, 5 April 2015 (EDT)

Sam, are you familiar with the fallacy of exclusion? The reason I ask is that I certainly provided more data than you are alluding to!!! Strike one!

Second, where did I say that Lubitz was surely an atheist? I didn't. Strike two! Conservative 00:04, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

Great aviation accomplishments by godly Christian creationists

"The Wright brothers used intelligence, experience, and ingenuity to design their aircraft. From studying God’s creation in the form of bird-flight, they were helped to develop their own creation.

One Saturday afternoon in 1903, Wilbur and Orville Wright made final repairs and adjustments to their aircraft. This was the culmination of four years work by the brothers. Next morning, the aircraft was ready and wind conditions were perfect, but there would be no flight that day. This was Sunday, and Wilbur and Orville chose not to work on Sundays."[32] Conservative 00:48, 4 April 2015 (EDT)

Despicable News Item

"Liberal double standard, again: the lamestream media fail to mention the lack of church attendance by the murderer who increased the speed of the Germanwings plane as he crashed it into a mountain, killing all 150 on board, and the media also refuse to ask if it was atheistic terrorism."

What we know at this moment is that a depressed man committed suicide - and murdered 149 children, women, and men doing so.

• "the media also refuse to ask if it was atheistic terrorism" Andy, perhaps because journalists are able to read? Perhaps they even used Conservapedia's article which states that terrorism is the unlawful use of -- or threatened use of -- force or violence against individuals or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives. While Andreas Lubitz filled us all with terror, he didn't want "to coerce or intimidate governments or societies", and hadn't any "political, religious, or ideological objectives". It is the same as in most school-shootings: they are mass-murders, but no acts of terror. An lawyer should able to spot this.
• The there is this ghoulish stampede to distance us from the murderer. In my opinion that is misplaced:

• Andreas Lubitz was at first a depressed man. There are depressed atheists, there are depressed Christians. Atheists and Christians commit suicide, albeit at different rates - look at the number of suicides of veterans!
• Andreas Lubitz was raised as a Christian - it seems, he received his "Konfirmation". Perhaps he was still an official member, paying his Church taxes (a German idiosyncrasy). Perhaps he saw himself as a Christian, perhaps he went to church from time to time. But probably we have lost him. Why? Could we have helped him? Or did we just add to the pressure?
• What is the signal we sent to depressed men and women? Obviously our thoughts and prayers are mainly with the innocent victims of Lubitz's crime. But this ease to wash our hands of him, does it encourage depressed men and women to seek help in our Churches?
• I even saw complaints that Lubitz's parents didn't attend their church over the last days - without asking the obvious, like whether they were in town (in their house, beleaguered by journalists, and object to investigation by the police), or just avoided publicity!

• Last, is there any human catastrophe which Conservapedia doesn't use to score points? There are many news items which can be described as "we don't know what happened, but it is the fault of the Muslims (or atheists)" - or in this case, both, successively!

--AugustO 06:09, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

Questions for AugustO

1. AugustO, you wrote: "Andreas Lubitz was at first a depressed man. There are depressed atheists, there are depressed Christians." Question: Do atheists have higher suicide rates than the general public? Are atheistic societies more suicidal? See: Atheism and suicide and Atheism and emotional intelligence

2. Second, we know that Lubitz had an ego issue and I cited an article pointing that out.[33][34] Do theists commonly perceived atheists as being egotistical and is this perception warranted? See: Atheism and arrogance.

3. Someone who kills themselves in a way that kills others has a selfishness issue and is less empathetic. Is there social science data indicating that atheists/irreligious are more selfish and less empathetic? See: Atheism and uncharitableness.

4. Someone who kills himself in a way that kills others is acting in a very self-centered and unsocial manner. Is there social science data indicating that atheists have lower social skills? See: Atheism and social/interpersonal intelligence and Atheism and loneliness.

5. Is Germany a religious country? If is not a religious country, could Lubitz have been socialized into various atheistic/irreligious values? According to the Eurobarometer Poll taken in 2010, 45% of Germans agreed with the statement "I believe there is a God".[35] Have German values improved post Friedrich Nietzsche? See: Atheist population and immorality

6. Germany has one of the highest rates of belief in evolution in the world. In 2005, it was estimated that 70% of Germans believed in evolution.[36]

Have German values improved post Charles Darwin/Ernst Haeckel? For example, see: Bestiality and Germany and Atheistic Germany and alcoholism and Atheistic Germany and loneliness

Did the egotistical evolutionist Adolf Hitler kill himself and cause WWII to end in a manner that showed bitterness and a disregard for his fellow countrymen's lives? Did the German people elect Adolf Hitler?

Is there social science data and historical data that shows that evolutionism increases immorality?

Consider: In July of 2000, Creation Ministries International reported:

"For years, many people have scoffed at any suggestion that the evils in society could be linked with the teaching of the theory of evolution. But new research has confirmed what Bible-believers have known all along—that the rising acceptance of Darwin’s theory is related to declining morality in the community.

The research survey of 1535 people, conducted by the Australian National University, revealed that belief in evolution is associated with moral permissiveness. Darwin himself apparently feared that belief in evolution by the common man would lead to social decay. The survey showed that people who believed in evolution were more likely to be in favour of premarital sex than those who rejected Darwin’s theory. Another issue which highlighted the contrast between the effect of evolutionary ideas and that of biblical principles was that Darwinians were reported to be ‘especially tolerant’ of abortion.

In identifying the primary factors determining these differences in community attitudes, the author of the research report, Dr Jonathan Kelley, said: ‘The single most important influence after church attendance is the theory of evolution.’"[37]"

See also: Social Darwinism

7. Did the atheistic Soviet Union shoot down Korean Airlines Flight 007 and was their actions warranted at the time?

8. When was the last time that the co-pilot Lubitz went to church? Are Germans church going people? If Lubitz had been an outspoken, church going, evangelical Christian or even a church going, evangelical Christian, do you think that the press would have reported this?

9. We do know that a country that practiced state atheism and Muslims have brought down a commercial airplane filled with passengers, can you name one instance of an evangelical Christian doing this?

10: You wrote: "Andreas Lubitz was raised as a Christian - it seems, he received his "Konfirmation"."

Was he raised as a Bible believing Christian which would have required his repentance and having Jesus be his Lord and savior or was he raised to believe a false, watered down "gospel" typically offered by liberal Christianity "churches" which is often anti-supernatural in nature and teaches than men are basically good which is contrary to what Jesus/Scriptures teaches (Matthew 7:11 and Jeremiah 17:9 for example teaches that human nature is evil. That is why is is necessary for men to be born again as per John 3:1-15 and be empowered by the Holy Spirit)?

I hope these questions help you clarify your thinking! Conservative 17:09, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

Twelve Betteridgeisms (and a Godwin too) in One Section!

I think that's a new record for making a section out of stupid questions. Does Cons believe that this is a good way to make a point? Does he believe that people will find that style convincing? Is there some reason why he puts in links to his stupid articles after nearly all of them? Does he realize how stupid those articles are? Does he think people haven't noticed that they are basically retreads of the same thing? Is he willing to show us the connection ("new research has confirmed") between "the rising acceptance of Darwin’s theory" and "declining morality in the community"? That is, information from other than a fundamentalist extremist web site? SamHB 17:23, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

SamHB, is Richard Dawkins the most high profile evolutionist or at least a very high profile evolutionist? Has the evolutionist Richard Dawkins said that he would hate to live in a society governed by Darwinistic morality? Did Richard Dawkins indicate that it is hard to say if Adolf Hitler was right? Is it hard to say? See: Richard Dawkins' commentary on Adolf Hitler

SamHB, I provided social science data from a secular university showing that Darwinism has a deleterious effect on morality and cited history by way of mentioning Social Darwinism. Where is your social science data showing that Darwinism does not have a deleterious effect on morality?

Did you show that User: Conservative articles were "stupid" or merely assert they were? The reason I ask is that he who asserts move prove! Affirmati Non Neganti Incumbit Probatio! Also, you wrote previously on this wiki: "Maybe one of our more prolific writers who is interested in music (yes, Cons, that's you) would like to write articles for these people."[38]. If User:Conservatedom (more than one editor has used the User: Conservative account) has written several stupid articles at this wiki as you claim, then why did you request that User:Conservativedom write more articles for this wiki?

There is data showing that questions can improve persuasiveness under various conditions[39] and it is a common device used by coaches of persuasion.[40]

Was a portion of your argumentation illogical? Specifically, regarding a website that I chose to cite? What is the genetic fallacy?

By the way, I added a few more questions for AugustO. Conservative 19:02, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

Suggestion for Conservative

Conservative, "When you're in a hole, stop digging." Meaning, now would be a good time to shut up, because you're being extremely annoying. StaceyT 18:04, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

Can you demonstrate your assertion that I am in a hole? If you can, do so. The reason I ask is that he who asserts move prove! Affirmati Non Neganti Incumbit Probatio!

"Proof by assertion" is an informal logical fallacy. Liberals, stop being so illogical! Conservative 18:56, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

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Biblical creationism will be strong in 2015

See: Essay: Biblical creationism will be strong in 2015.

Stronger, higher, faster! Conservative 22:36, 17 January 2015 (EST)

Joni Ernst article

The Joni Ernst article at Tea Party Crusaders contains an error: Senator Ernst served two terms in the Iowa State Senate not one. VargasMilan 02:22, 20 January 2015 (EST)

But then again, "state senator" could have two meanings, U. S. senator of a state or senator within a state. VargasMilan 02:28, 20 January 2015 (EST)

I just like the fact that she is a feisty conservative who rides a motorcycle and is pro-gun. A Shockofgod for the US Senate. :) Conservative 14:46, 20 January 2015 (EST)

New planet

Our space probe is approaching the new planet at about the speed of jet airliner, and all through February we expect to get better and better views of its surface, the probe arriving in orbit in early March. This planet has already been featured on Conservapedia's main page (as well as Fox News), if you need help guessing what it is. VargasMilan 01:51, 23 January 2015 (EST)

Yahoo's top news link: "By the way, there happens to be a spacecraft near a planet. And I'll be darned, but the planet happened to be in visual range!" And the icing on the cake is the only thing they find unusual about the situation is a feature of the planet discovered years ago which they describe as the spacecraft having "found". Nothing is a drama (like a mission to a never-visited planet) unless Yahoo says it is, and if it's not a drama (like something already discovered), it is if Yahoo says so. Yahoo obviously adheres to a Yahoo-centric model of the universe. VargasMilan 01:51, 24 January 2015 (EST)

Atheism statistics article - The excitement is raging!

The fans of the Freedom from Atheism Foundation love the Atheism statistics article.

Here are some of the reviews after only 16 hours:

John Barbagiannis: Damning statistics

Jennifer Michele: Interesting

Stephen J. Ardent: It's not surprising. When you think that the only value a human has is the value another human places on that life, it's really easy to treat the bulk of humanity as simply trash to be dealt with.

Grace Kim Kwon It's nearly a billion if the unborns are counted. Christianity saves and rescues, but atheism kills and destroys.

Scott O'Steen: ...I actually pity them , often it seems like arguing with a spoiled teenager, I have to be in the mood to argue with them

Rhoda Winters: Yup. Atheism is poison.

Keith Wade: You should check up on that, because Conservapedia is a website writing an article. They are not the "source". The whole article shows all references for people just like you who (for some reason) think they wrote it all themselves despite the repeated explanations throughout.

Jeffrey McMunn: Good stuff, Señor Maickon. . .

Please notice the last comment. Evidently, he thought the article was well-done. Olé! Olé! Olé!

By the way, 11 hours ago I received a report of another Christian sharing the article with atheists/Christians/others.

Will the article be widely shared among Christian YouTubers and Christian bloggers/websites? Stay tuned for further developments! Conservative 02:00, 25 January 2015 (EST)

74 people told their friends about this article - so far.  :) Is this just the beginning? :) Conservative 13:17, 25 January 2015 (EST)

I like the article; it just shows how foolish atheists are. Karajou 08:29, 27 January 2015 (EST)

My spider sense is tingling

User Conservative, I thought I'd take a look at https://www.facebook.com/FFAF.International to check out the claims your collective made and I found that all the quotes your collective posted above were there. Your collective's article did indeed make an impact with these people.

I remember a few days ago that AugustO posted a comment on this talkpage (hastily archived by your collective) that brought attention to the fact that a lot of likes seem to originate from outside the U.S., particularly Middle/Far East countries.

I found this site http://www.sterntv-experimente.de/FacebookLikeCheck/ which can show the countries which the 'facebook likes' originate from. It's in German but easy to work out! Don't take my word for it, do it yourself.

Here is what I found out: 59% of the total 'likes' for https://www.facebook.com/FFAF.International come from just 6 countries - Indonesia (17.6%), Pakistan (12.4%), Iraq (8.3%), Nepal (7.9%). Bangladesh (6.5%) and Algeria (6.4%).

Likes from America are 5.6%.

It could be argued that this is an international website so obviously it would attract a great deal of likes from all over the world. Although it is written in English... And all the comments are in English...

After a little more digging, I came across the phrase 'Click farms' [41]. Apparently there are many businesses where facebook users can purchase 'likes' to bolster support for their page. The workers for these sites are often paid very low wages[42]. The 'click farms' are often in developing countries and particularly in Asia.

To be blunt, I think https://www.facebook.com/FFAF.International is buying facebook 'likes' to boost the popularity of it's articles.

I know the evidence I've presented is circumstantial but maybe it would be wise if your collective could investigate this further before using this facebook page as a reliable source for proving your group's successes.

EJamesW 17:14, 26 January 2015 (EST)

A few points:

1. FFAF did NOT share Conservapedia's main atheism article. Yet, the CP's main atheism article has 25 Google Plus likes, 4,122 Facebook likes, and 343 Twitter tweets. And all of these social media likes/tweets were unsolicited.

2. I already covered the issue of Facebook advertising and the issue of it bringing some unwanted likes to your web page, etc. I was told by a friend of mine that FFAF does a lot of Facebook advertising so it is understandable that they would receive some unwanted Faceboook like. In addition, I am not sure if they do Facebook advertising in countries outside the USA. Wit that being said, I am really not a big fan of Facebook. I like YouTube much better. I like the business plan of YouTube much better than Facebook too and just saw an interesting video on this topic HERE.

3. FFAF is just a portion of the traffic to CP's atheism articles. I/we just like seeing some immediate feedback (their fans' comments about the CP atheism articles) to my/our new atheism articles that FFAF chooses to share with their fans. For example, FFAF shared my/our "Atheism statistics" article on the their Facebook page and it got 1,337 Facebook likes, 39 comments, and 93 shares. Personally, I like reading the comments and appreciate the 93 Facebook shares the article got. I really don't care about the Facebook likes. I just mentioned the Facebook likes for fun.

At the same time, the newly created CP atheism article called "Atheism statistics" currently has 1,623 Facebook likes and 2 Twitter tweets so far. So if you do the math you have 1,623 total Facebook likes minus 1,337 FFAF Facebook likes equals 286 Facebook likes not received from the FFAF source. So where did those extra 286 Facebook likes come from? Well, I believe most of them came from a Christian or Christians at Facebook who like my articles and share them with others.

4. If you don't think my articles are having an impact, I am fine with that. If you do, that is fine too. I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over it either way and I/we am/are quite content. In fact, I actually prefer the opposition to underestimate me/us. :) As Sun Tzu said, 卑则骄之 and 知彼知己，百戰不殆；不知彼而知己，一勝一負；不知彼，不知己，每戰必殆 And of course, he also said, 微乎微乎，至于无形；神乎神乎，至于无声；故能为敌之司命。  :) I hope that clarifies things! :) Conservative 18:20, 26 January 2015 (EST)

By the way, will the "atheism and statistics" article be shared via YouTube Christians and amongst Christian bloggers? Stay tuned for further developments! Unless of course, it is done clandestinely! 此（译注：用间）兵之要，三军之所恃而动也。  :) Conservative 18:42, 26 January 2015 (EST)

Hello user:conservative. All I'm saying is that this your group should avoid citing this facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/FFAF.International as a success indicator for your articles. I'm glad you've conceded it uses 'underhand' techniques to boost support for the posts it makes. Why don't you make your own facebook page instead? EJamesW 18:40, 26 January 2015 (EST)

As far as it using so-called "underhanded" methods, I conceded no such thing. Did you watch this video or are you just spouting off without being knowledgeable about this matter? I have been told that FFAF is largely supported by a foundation with considerable resources. I would guess that they would have to submit reports on their operating expenses (Facebook adverting, etc) and a foundation would not pay for click farm fees. The bottom line is that legitimate Facebook advertisers will have some unwanted likes from click farmers.

I think you are wasting my time about this matter at this point. Feel free to engage in last wordism. :) Conservative 18:52, 26 January 2015 (EST)

Conservative, your articles that have been published on the FFAF facebook page have been quite informative and have therefore bringed me to this wonderful site. Arigato 18:10, 5 February 2015 (EST)

Arigato, thanks for the compliment about the atheism articles. Conservative 19:17, 5 February 2015 (EST)

I think FFAF will be sharing another Conservapedia atheism article sometime this month. If this occurs, it will be announced at Conservapedia. Conservative 19:32, 5 February 2015 (EST)

Suggestion for fixing line height

There is a fix here for fixing line height of refs, which is a noticeable visual flaw on pages right now:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Extension_talk:Cite/line_height

--Joshua Zambrano 19:25, 25 January 2015 (EST)

Joshua, the owner of the website is User:Aschlafly. I suggest contacting him via his user talk page about this matter. Also, give him a link to a wiki that uses this extension so he can see the results of employing this extension. Conservative 02:11, 26 January 2015 (EST)

I know. :) I've already made dozens of pages on Conservapedia.[43] I've just been away for a while. --Joshua Zambrano 04:22, 26 January 2015 (EST)

About a year and a half or so to be specific. I tend to do a ton of editing all at once in a short amount of time, but when active I get a lot accomplished. [44] --Joshua Zambrano 04:26, 26 January 2015 (EST)

Patriots football-deflating scandal

What exactly is Conservapedia claiming credit for correctly predicting on Main Page Right here?---eg

The Patriots

Well, I guess they didn't need a guy who for some reason is featured tackling his own mother to win. It's mildly annoying being a Green Bay fan, knowing they'd have taken care of New England like they did earlier in the season, but hey. RedG 01:46, 2 February 2015 (EST)

Did they win? Post Deflategate, everyone knows they aren't really Super Bowl champions. If the end, cheaters never truly prosper. Conservative 02:54, 2 February 2015 (EST)

According to the ceremonies last night, it was indeed the Patriots who accepted the Lombardi trophy. So yes, I'd say they won. RedG 14:12, 2 February 2015 (EST)

Halal Deceit Uncovered

Even a bunch of animal activists can be useful - see animal abuse in UK Halal slaughterhouse revealed by hidden camera. So called "inspectors" from the government overlooked inadequacies so as not to make Muslims look bad. This may be Main Page Right material - let me know what you think! ConsMovies 10:12, 3 February 2015 (EST)

By the way, there are many overlooked Conservative Movies still to add to Essay:Greatest Conservative Movies, which is why I have added Mars Needs Moms. ConsMovies 10:13, 3 February 2015 (EST)

Kosher meat better than most Western World supermarket meat?

Please look at THIS and THIS. The Jewish manner of slaughtering animals may be more humane than modern methods and the meat may be better for human consumption.

This is what the secular, liberal NY Times was forced to admit: "Kosher foods, which must meet a number of dietary and processing rules to comply with traditional Jewish law, are the fastest growing ethnic cuisine, reports the market research firm Mintel. Sales of kosher foods reached $12.5 billion in 2008, an increase of 64 percent since 2003."[45]Conservative 17:47, 3 February 2015 (EST)

Part the reason for the uptick of the demand for kosher meat is the process of desecularization and the growth of religious conservatism which happening presently and is expected to continue in the 21st century due to the higher fertility rates of religious conservatives (see: Decline of global atheism). Conservative 17:56, 3 February 2015 (EST)

There's another reason for the uptick in demand for kosher food... it's delicious. --DonnyC 21:36, 3 February 2015 (EST)

Without comment on the taste (I'm more of an organ meat guy, I don't consider myself qualified to comment on the finer cuts of meat), just in case you think all kosher butchers are following protocol you might want to do a search for Doheney's. Make of that what you will. RedG 23:36, 3 February 2015 (EST)

Members of User:Conservative, is that the view you all share? Of course standards can slip in any slaughterhouse/abattoir but the real story here is a secular regulator turning a blind eye for fear of looking "racist." In their quest for an appearance of liberal "balance" they let Muslims do anything! This means that in Britain halal is just another word for unregulated! ConsMovies 19:19, 7 February 2015 (EST)

News

Not the best source, but ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2944351/Christian-school-forces-gay-student-leave-telling-closet-stay.html

I thought one of the tenets of Christianity was tolerance, it's sad to see things like this. RedG 15:41, 10 February 2015 (EST)

Practicing toleration towards something presupposes that you think it's morally wrong. Is that how you are characterizing the activity of gays, as morally wrong? VargasMilan 17:12, 10 February 2015 (EST)

I have no objections, moral or otherwise, to gay people or their expressions of sexuality (I'm straight but have chosen to be single my entire life), but evidently the people running this school do. Instead of simply allowing this student to live his life they chose to try to impose their views on him, hardly an act of tolerance. RedG 22:58, 10 February 2015 (EST)

You are conflating two meanings of the word "tolerance". In one sense it means "not interfering with at all". In another it means "not making something illegal". Actually, there are lots of things that are legal that we should earnestly persuade people not to do. VargasMilan 10:14, 11 February 2015 (EST)

John Kitzhaber

Could someone with a knowledge of American politics update John Kitzhaber? Thanks --AugustO 15:41, 19 February 2015 (EST)

Quick question

How is having no gun control whatsoever working out in Somalia? I've heard the place described as many things, are safe and stable among them? If you think it's such a paradise because anyone can walk around with military-grade weapons, I suggest you pay the place a visit yourself. RedG 22:43, 24 February 2015 (EST)

Response to your question

Somalia was a worse place when the oppressive liberals/leftists were in power. Anarchy is turning out better than an oppressive and corrupt leftist government. See: Somali “Anarchy” Is More Orderly than Somali Government

So put that in your leftist pipe and smoke it!

At the same time, countries with a Protestant cultural heritage are better places to live than a Muslim/tribal/anarchy type situation and have produced the most productive and free societies in the history of the world.

Harvard University historian Niall Ferguson declared: "Through a mixture of hard work and thrift the Protestant societies of the North and West Atlantic achieved the most rapid economic growth in history."[46]

Switzerland has one of the top and most stable economies in the world, low gun fatalities and murder/crime rates and generous gun rights. It also has one of the highest percentages of biblical creationists in Europe.[47]

See also:

• Protestant work ethic and European countries

• Protestant work ethic

• Article on Protestant vs. Catholic religion and corruption.

I hope this clarifies things! Conservative 23:40, 24 February 2015 (EST)

So are you telling me you'd be willing to go for a firsthand experience? RedG 00:34, 25 February 2015 (EST)

You lost this battle leftie. Best to lick your wounds.

By the way, unlike drab attired Maoists, partly thanks to their exposure to the fashionable Italian capitalists (who formerly engaged in the sin of colonization) the Somalis are one of the best dressed people in the world!!!!. Viva Italia! And Italy allows concealed carry gun permits to boot! Conservative 00:41, 25 February 2015 (EST)

And one other thing: Unlike many corpulent Western atheists, Somalis are generally slim! See: Google search for Somalis. Conservative 00:56, 25 February 2015 (EST)

I was unaware that having a large percentage of your country's population malnourished and starving to death was considered a virtue. RedG 11:18, 25 February 2015 (EST)

As a left-handed person myself, I take offense to your characterization above. Furthermore, I don't think that Somalis are actually that smartly attired in general. When I was watching the movie Captain Phillips, I wasn't thinking "Boy, those Somali pirates are snazzy dressers! I wonder, did they have those clothes custom-made by skilled European craftsmen, or did they buy them off the rack at Macy's?" But I will admit that they appeared to be less corpulent than Richard Dawkins or Rush Limbaugh.

I don't think the economic growth and prosperity of European countries, and the reason for same, were part of RedG's question. But thanks for giving us much food for thought. And, of course, now I'll have to write an article on the idiom "licking one's wounds".

By the way, Somalia and Abu-Dhabi are different countries. SamHB 09:44, 25 February 2015 (EST)

I just read that many Somalians are now facing food insecurity due due to a poor harvest and natural disasters in 2014 and current fighting. [48][49] Somalia has had at least 40 years of very bad governments or anarchy with fighting between tribes. I hope things improve. Conservative 11:48, 25 February 2015 (EST)

Re: Durham Free School

Just a quick point; the British Government isn't 'closing' the Durham Free School; it's withdrawing state funding from it because of the school's consistent failure to achieve nationally required, minimum educational standards. A report by OFSTED, the independent body charged with monitoring British schools, placed the school in 'special measures' in November 2014 because of the failures of staff and governors [50]. As a result of its failure to improve, the school will receive no further state funding. I'm not an expert in this field, but I understand that the school is free to carry on if the religious body that runs it wants to pick up all the bills. However, the British taxpayer will no longer be paying for a school which is patently failing in its duties to the children it's supposed to be educating. NicosB 12:19, 3 March 2015 (EST)

Atheist John Gray: Attention angry, SJWs who are afraid of the global flourishing of religion and conflate science with your pet political ideologies

Atheist John Gray: Attention angry, atheist SJWs who are afraid of the global flourishing of religion and conflate science with your pet political ideologies.[51]. The article is in The Guardian!!!!! Conservative 21:49, 4 March 2015 (EST)

Thanks for moving this off my talk page. I suppose it would be tacky to point out your carelessness in this matter, since your are presumably licking your wounds after the embarrassment of this, but please watch what you are doing.

And what's an SJW???? Single Jewish Woman? Seriously, I have no idea, and I suspect many other readers don't either. Please keep the intended audience in mind when you write. SamHB 22:37, 4 March 2015 (EST)

THIS is a SJW (ideology practiced by sour, angry, secular leftists). See: Various types of atheists/non-believers and anger. Conservative 00:39, 5 March 2015 (EST)

It's what Conservative fears most in the world: someone who thinks Christianity is something other than creationism and hate the homos, ClintBarton 14:59, 6 March 2015 (EST)

Fear? "The wicked flee when no one pursues, but the righteous are bold as a lion" - Solomon. "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love." - the Apostle John.

See also: Atheism and cowardice

Feel free to engage in last wordism. Conservative 15:25, 6 March 2015 (EST)

Recent news report about creationism rising in Europe

Science Nordic: Creationism is rising in Europe

John Hopkins Press: European Darwinism is a burning building

Johns Hopkins University Press reported in 2014: "Over the past forty years, creationism has spread swiftly among European Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Hindus, and Muslims, even as anti-creationists sought to smother its flames."[52]

The 21st century is going to be a horrendous century for Darwinism and atheism. See: Desecularization and Biblical Christianity spreading quickly in Europe.

Are you ready atheists/evolutionists? It sure doesn't look like it! See: Atheism and leadership and Atheist movement and Atheism: A house divided and in global decline.

It's inevitable militant atheists. No point fighting a lost cause. Conservative 15:52, 6 March 2015 (EST)

Data showing atheism is in a slump?

Attention Atheists: Google trends indicates: You are in a slump![53]

New Jersey Sen. Robert Menendez story

It seems logical. I mean Menendez is publicly in opposition of Obama's Iran deal. He is the target of the Obama administration. How many times can you count the Democrats targeting a fellow Democrat? It is rare, possibly never, do they go on the attack against one another. By the way, he should have been prosecuted for his prostitution scandal. --Jpatt 17:52, 6 March 2015 (EST)

Classic showdown: New data

Showdown: Creation Ministries International vs. Richard Dawkins. Who wins?

ISIS/Islamic State

If we are going to use "ISIS" on the main page, as I certainly think we should, perhaps our article should be moved so that the title corresponds. There are various Islamic states, past and present, so many media organizations have adopted "ISIS" to avoid confusion. PeterKa 18:47, 10 March 2015 (EDT)

Germanwings flight: Islamic terrorism?

At the moment, there is not even a hind of evidence supporting such a connection. The total absence of recorded prayers could link the copilot to atheism, so I assume that atheists will be the next group you want to associate with this horrible tragedy.

It's just a despicable question, obviously trying to exploit this terrible, terrible incident.

--AugustO 16:24, 28 March 2015 (EDT)

...that is, if you ignore recent history of Muslims causing incidents on commercial flights. Such as the shoe bomber, the underwear bomber, the soft drink bottle bombers, the multiple praying imams incident—all intended to refresh our memory of the three thousand innocent civilians and firefighters killed on September 11, 2001 in New York.

Recently the Taliban machine-gunned over a hundred people at a school, so most people know that Islamic terrorism hasn't gone away.

But I see that you're not too aggrieved by the incident so as to lack the energy to sweep away these obvious relevancies to Islam and impugn those who make appropriate connections between the two. VargasMilan 00:20, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

• After Lubitz did a stint as a male fight attendant, they called him "Tomato Andy." That's because "while a tomato is thought to be a vegetable, it is really a fruit."[54] The reason you didn't laugh is because that was a German joke and they're not supposed to be funny. Just think how many more people Lubitz could have murdered if it wasn't for those tight German gun control laws. PeterKa 21:22, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

Two things:

1. Although many airplane terrorists have been Muslims, there appears to be no evidence he was a Muslim: https://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/germanwings-co-pilot-s-non-existent-muslim-conversion_901589.html He appears to be have been an egotistical, selfish, bitter and depressed individual who had suicidal tendencies in the past.[55][56] I will let AugustO determine if those characteristics best fit Bible believers or atheists/irreligious individuals.

According to the Eurobarometer Poll taken in 2010, 45% of Germans agreed with the statement "I believe there is a God".[57] See also: Atheism and arrogance and Atheism and social intelligence and Atheism and loneliness and Atheism and bitterness and Atheism and uncharitableness and Atheism and depression and Atheism and suicide.

2. "Reinforced, bullet-proof doors became standard for most of the world’s airlines after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks as a way to prevent intruders from entering the cockpit."[58] Conservative 03:41, 31 March 2015 (EDT)

Tiger Woods

Is no longer a top 100 golfer.[59]--GhazS 17:33, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

My edit this page button disappeared

I don't think I'm blocked, but my "edit this page" button disappeared from all pages and I can't edit. Anyone else having this problem? DMorris 07:50, 1 April 2015 (EDT)

I had an editing problem for a 1-2 day stretch and then the problem went away. Parts of pages sometimes disappeared and I could not edit at times. It was a different problem than yours though.

I suggest emailing Andy or leaving a message on his talk page. I also suggest switching browsers and/or rebooting your computer. Conservative 08:09, 1 April 2015 (EDT)

Andreas Lubitz

It seems he was a Lutheran Christian.[60].--GhazS 11:03, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

I'm sure any headlines on the Main Page that suggest he was an atheist will be immediately retracted. --Randall7 14:15, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

The headlines are about liberal denial, nothing needs to change TheRedElephant 17:39, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

The article does not say the co-pilot was a member of that church and merely says he had attended the church. If memory serves, in the USA, about 10% of atheists go to church regularly. "A new study out of Rice University has found that 17 percent - about one out of five scientists who describe themselves as either atheists or agnostics - actually go to church, although not too often, and not because they feel a spiritual yearning to join the faithful."[61]

In addition, if he was an ardent Bible believing Christian, surely he would have not been suicidal (It is atheists who are more likely to be suicidal than the general population. See: Atheism and suicide and Atheism and depression). Furthermore, the Bible says to put others before yourself and teaches sacrificial love. Unlike Christianity, there is nothing inherent in atheism that teaches sacrificial love (See also: Atheism and uncharitableness and Atheism and love and Agape).

Another important point is that post-Darwinism and the rise of liberal theology in the 19th/20th centuries, many German "churches" are unbiblical in doctrine and are spiritually dead and losing members. Many mainline Lutheran churches are losing members in Germany and in other countries as well such as the United States (The Christian Post mentioned the co-pilot attended a Lutheran church).[62][63]

At the same time, on March 17, 2014, the news website Deutsche Well reported that evangelical Christianity has doubled in Germany in the last 10 years.[64] There haven't been any reports that the German co-pilot was a member of a Bible believing/evangelical church.

Exactly. Not a true Christian. Atheist. TheRedElephant 18:02, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

The pastor at the murderer's local church knew him from ... 13 years ago, when he was a teenager. [65] That doesn't sound like a churchgoing adult.--Andy Schlafly 21:05, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

Andy, where did you get the information from that he was a atheist and/or terrorist? Do you have a reference?--GhazS 21:08, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

You don't think the liberal media is going to admit this, do you?--Andy Schlafly 22:51, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

A few points:

In terms of evidence regarding any issue, there is direct evidence and indirect evidence.

The indirect evidence that the co-pilot was non-religious and/or an atheist:

Andreas Lubitz appears to be have been an egotistical, selfish, bitter and depressed individual who had suicidal tendencies in the past.[66][67]

According to the Eurobarometer Poll taken in 2010, 45% of Germans agreed with the statement "I believe there is a God".[68] See also: Atheism and arrogance and Atheism and social intelligence and Atheism and loneliness and Atheism and bitterness and Atheism and uncharitableness and Atheism and depression and Atheism and suicide.

I will let GhazS and AugustO determine if the characteristics of egotistical, selfish, bitter and depressed/suicidal best fit Bible believers or atheists/irreligious individuals.

Furthermore, there is the adage of if you were on trial for being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict you? There certainly appears to be a lack of compelling evidence that the co-pilot was a Christian! And it appears as if monotheists are a minority in Germany based on the previously cited Eurobarometer poll!!!!!

I hope that clarifies matters!!!! Conservative 22:57, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

It most certainly does not clarify matters. Cons has filled this whole section with speculation about statistical tendencies that he perceives, relating to atheism and various aspects of mental health. He has buttressed this with little more than a bunch of links to his silly pages on such topics as Atheism and love/depression/suicide/loneliness/bitterness/arrogance/uncharitableness/social intelligence/etc., along with something about Post-Darwinism, and something about the Lutheran Church losing members, and something about evangelical Christianity doubling in Germany in the last 10 years, and on and on and on. It is, of course, his right to fill Conservapedia with quotes that he picks up from around the web on the subjects of atheism and XXX. And to spout off on these subjects at every opportunity.

But there's something I can't help noticing. Everything he says in the dozens of silly pages relates to statistical effects, that is, poll results, along with his personal speculations. Presumably these insights arise from his use of the Generalized linear model that he and I have discussed so many times. Though Cons doesn't show his work and explain how the model was used. But there's one thing that sticks out like a proverbial sore thumb. In the middle of all this statistical number-crunching mish-mash, Cons says "if [Andreas Lubitz] was an ardent Bible believing Christian, surely he would have not been suicidal". Surely? He surely would not have been suicidal? Does Cons know something about the generalized linear model that the rest of us don't? SamHB 20:47, 5 April 2015 (EDT)

From the Daily Mail article that Andy cited: "The pastor added that there is no direct contact with the family at the moment, but that he believes they are receiving good assistance."[69]

The crash happened on 3/24/2014. Apparently, the the GermanWings co-pilot's family did not attend his church on Sunday 3/29/2015 nor has the pastor talked to the family subsequent to the crash. And consider this 2013 news report about godless Germany: "Of those that identify themselves as Protestants, the number of people who go to church regularly is far smaller with 4 percent of Protestants attending church on Good Friday, the paper reported."[70]

Is or was the family non-religious? If so, did they raise an irreligious son who become an atheist? Conservative 23:15, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

In 2008, in Germany, about 35% of people indicated that they never attend church.[71] Conservative 23:35, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

Recently, I watched an interesting documentary on the egotistical and suicidal German evolutionist Adolf Hitler which indicated that rather than end the war via a treaty which would have saved lives, Hitler chose to drag things on to the bitter end due to pride and other psychological factors and then ultimately committed suicide. And Hitler's psychological profiler within the U.S. government predicted this course of action. VIDEO

Interesting. You have a statistic from 2008, indicating that, according to someone's survey, 35% of people in Germany never attend church. And you conclude from that that Lubitz was surely an atheist? Are you sure you are applying Bayes' theorem correctly? SamHB 22:47, 5 April 2015 (EDT)

Sam, the murderer was educated in Christianity but obviously chose not to attend church for many years. His actions then speak volumes. What are you looking for, an admission on YouTube???--Andy Schlafly 22:59, 5 April 2015 (EDT)

Sam, are you familiar with the fallacy of exclusion? The reason I ask is that I certainly provided more data than you are alluding to!!! Strike one!

Second, where did I say that Lubitz was surely an atheist? I didn't. Strike two! Conservative 00:04, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

Great aviation accomplishments by godly Christian creationists

"The Wright brothers used intelligence, experience, and ingenuity to design their aircraft. From studying God’s creation in the form of bird-flight, they were helped to develop their own creation.

One Saturday afternoon in 1903, Wilbur and Orville Wright made final repairs and adjustments to their aircraft. This was the culmination of four years work by the brothers. Next morning, the aircraft was ready and wind conditions were perfect, but there would be no flight that day. This was Sunday, and Wilbur and Orville chose not to work on Sundays."[72] Conservative 00:48, 4 April 2015 (EDT)

Despicable News Item

"Liberal double standard, again: the lamestream media fail to mention the lack of church attendance by the murderer who increased the speed of the Germanwings plane as he crashed it into a mountain, killing all 150 on board, and the media also refuse to ask if it was atheistic terrorism."

What we know at this moment is that a depressed man committed suicide - and murdered 149 children, women, and men doing so.

• "the media also refuse to ask if it was atheistic terrorism" Andy, perhaps because journalists are able to read? Perhaps they even used Conservapedia's article which states that terrorism is the unlawful use of -- or threatened use of -- force or violence against individuals or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives. While Andreas Lubitz filled us all with terror, he didn't want "to coerce or intimidate governments or societies", and hadn't any "political, religious, or ideological objectives". It is the same as in most school-shootings: they are mass-murders, but no acts of terror. An lawyer should able to spot this.
• The there is this ghoulish stampede to distance us from the murderer. In my opinion that is misplaced:

• Andreas Lubitz was at first a depressed man. There are depressed atheists, there are depressed Christians. Atheists and Christians commit suicide, albeit at different rates - look at the number of suicides of veterans!
• Andreas Lubitz was raised as a Christian - it seems, he received his "Konfirmation". Perhaps he was still an official member, paying his Church taxes (a German idiosyncrasy). Perhaps he saw himself as a Christian, perhaps he went to church from time to time. But probably we have lost him. Why? Could we have helped him? Or did we just add to the pressure?
• What is the signal we sent to depressed men and women? Obviously our thoughts and prayers are mainly with the innocent victims of Lubitz's crime. But this ease to wash our hands of him, does it encourage depressed men and women to seek help in our Churches?
• I even saw complaints that Lubitz's parents didn't attend their church over the last days - without asking the obvious, like whether they were in town (in their house, beleaguered by journalists, and object to investigation by the police), or just avoided publicity!

• Last, is there any human catastrophe which Conservapedia doesn't use to score points? There are many news items which can be described as "we don't know what happened, but it is the fault of the Muslims (or atheists)" - or in this case, both, successively!

--AugustO 06:09, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

Questions for AugustO

1. AugustO, you wrote: "Andreas Lubitz was at first a depressed man. There are depressed atheists, there are depressed Christians." Question: Do atheists have higher suicide rates than the general public? Are atheistic societies more suicidal? See: Atheism and suicide and Atheism and emotional intelligence

2. Second, we know that Lubitz had an ego issue and I cited an article pointing that out.[73][74] Do theists commonly perceived atheists as being egotistical and is this perception warranted? See: Atheism and arrogance.

3. Someone who kills themselves in a way that kills others has a selfishness issue and is less empathetic. Is there social science data indicating that atheists/irreligious are more selfish and less empathetic? See: Atheism and uncharitableness.

4. Someone who kills himself in a way that kills others is acting in a very self-centered and unsocial manner. Is there social science data indicating that atheists have lower social skills? See: Atheism and social/interpersonal intelligence and Atheism and loneliness.

5. Is Germany a religious country? If is not a religious country, could Lubitz have been socialized into various atheistic/irreligious values? According to the Eurobarometer Poll taken in 2010, 45% of Germans agreed with the statement "I believe there is a God".[75] Have German values improved post Friedrich Nietzsche? See: Atheist population and immorality

6. Germany has one of the highest rates of belief in evolution in the world. In 2005, it was estimated that 70% of Germans believed in evolution.[76]

Have German values improved post Charles Darwin/Ernst Haeckel? For example, see: Bestiality and Germany and Atheistic Germany and alcoholism and Atheistic Germany and loneliness

Did the egotistical evolutionist Adolf Hitler kill himself and cause WWII to end in a manner that showed bitterness and a disregard for his fellow countrymen's lives? Did the German people elect Adolf Hitler?

Is there social science data and historical data that shows that evolutionism increases immorality?

Consider: In July of 2000, Creation Ministries International reported:

"For years, many people have scoffed at any suggestion that the evils in society could be linked with the teaching of the theory of evolution. But new research has confirmed what Bible-believers have known all along—that the rising acceptance of Darwin’s theory is related to declining morality in the community.

The research survey of 1535 people, conducted by the Australian National University, revealed that belief in evolution is associated with moral permissiveness. Darwin himself apparently feared that belief in evolution by the common man would lead to social decay. The survey showed that people who believed in evolution were more likely to be in favour of premarital sex than those who rejected Darwin’s theory. Another issue which highlighted the contrast between the effect of evolutionary ideas and that of biblical principles was that Darwinians were reported to be ‘especially tolerant’ of abortion.

In identifying the primary factors determining these differences in community attitudes, the author of the research report, Dr Jonathan Kelley, said: ‘The single most important influence after church attendance is the theory of evolution.’"[77]"

See also: Social Darwinism

7. Did the atheistic Soviet Union shoot down Korean Airlines Flight 007 and was their actions warranted at the time?

8. When was the last time that the co-pilot Lubitz went to church? Are Germans church going people? If Lubitz had been an outspoken, church going, evangelical Christian or even a church going, evangelical Christian, do you think that the press would have reported this?

9. We do know that a country that practiced state atheism and Muslims have brought down a commercial airplane filled with passengers, can you name one instance of an evangelical Christian doing this?

10: You wrote: "Andreas Lubitz was raised as a Christian - it seems, he received his "Konfirmation"."

Was he raised as a Bible believing Christian which would have required his repentance and having Jesus be his Lord and savior or was he raised to believe a false, watered down "gospel" typically offered by liberal Christianity "churches" which is often anti-supernatural in nature and teaches than men are basically good which is contrary to what Jesus/Scriptures teaches (Matthew 7:11 and Jeremiah 17:9 for example teaches that human nature is evil. That is why is is necessary for men to be born again as per John 3:1-15 and be empowered by the Holy Spirit)?

I do agree with you that definitive statements without adequate proof should be avoided. At the same time, I do believe it is fair to raise questions on the main page - especially when their is social science data and/or previous historical events justifying raising questions.

I hope the above questions help you clarify your thinking! Feel free to engage in last wordism.Conservative 00:06, 7 April 2015 (EDT)

You can't ask someone a series of questions and then accuse them of last wordism when they reply, don't you think? KevinLisbie 16:59, 7 April 2015 (EDT)

KevinLisbie, if the person's past behavior has a history of last wordism and if you strongly suspect that they will largely dodge the questions and mainly engage in hand waving, you most certainly can. AugustO's response to the 15 questions for evolutionists did not inspire confidence - especially since he refused to debate the biology major VivaYehshua in an oral debate that would have been seen by tens of thousands of people.

And just as I suspected, AugustO largely dodged my questions above which was no great surprise.

KevinLisbie, by the way, if you scroll down the page, you will see that the liberals SamHB and Eg were similarly humbled by a few reasonable questions. Liberalism cannot withstand scrutiny/cross-examination (for example, see: Creation scientists tend to win debates with evolutionists and Atheism and cowardice).

Twelve Betteridgeisms (and a Godwin too) in One Section!

I think that's a new record for making a section out of stupid questions. Does Cons believe that this is a good way to make a point? Does he believe that people will find that style convincing? Is there some reason why he puts in links to his stupid articles after nearly all of them? Does he realize how stupid those articles are? Does he think people haven't noticed that they are basically retreads of the same thing? Is he willing to show us the connection ("new research has confirmed") between "the rising acceptance of Darwin’s theory" and "declining morality in the community"? That is, information from other than a fundamentalist extremist web site? SamHB 17:23, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

SamHB, is Richard Dawkins the most high profile evolutionist or at least a very high profile evolutionist? Has the evolutionist Richard Dawkins said that he would hate to live in a society governed by Darwinistic morality? Did Richard Dawkins indicate that it is hard to say if Adolf Hitler was right? Is it hard to say? See: Richard Dawkins' commentary on Adolf Hitler

SamHB, I provided social science data from a secular university showing that Darwinism has a deleterious effect on morality and cited history by way of mentioning Social Darwinism. Where is your social science data showing that Darwinism does not have a deleterious effect on morality?

Did you show that my articles were "stupid" or merely assert they were? The reason I ask is that he who asserts move prove! Affirmati Non Neganti Incumbit Probatio! Also, you wrote previously on this wiki: "Maybe one of our more prolific writers who is interested in music (yes, Cons, that's you) would like to write articles for these people."[78]. If I/we have written several stupid articles at this wiki as you claim, then why did you request that I/we write more articles for this wiki?

There is data showing that questions can improve persuasiveness under various conditions[79] and it is a common device used by coaches of persuasion.[80]

Was a portion of your argumentation illogical? Specifically, regarding a website that I chose to cite? What is the genetic fallacy?

By the way, I added a few more questions for AugustO. Conservative 19:02, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

Suggestion for Conservative

Conservative, "When you're in a hole, stop digging." Meaning, now would be a good time to shut up, because you're being extremely annoying. StaceyT 18:04, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

Can you demonstrate your assertion that I am in a hole? If you can, do so. The reason I ask is that he who asserts move prove! Affirmati Non Neganti Incumbit Probatio!

"Proof by assertion" is an informal logical fallacy. Liberals, stop being so illogical! Conservative 18:56, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

Answer to User:Conservative

You wrote:

“

AugustO, you wrote: "Andreas Lubitz was at first a depressed man. There are depressed atheists, there are depressed Christians." Question: Do atheists have higher suicide rates than the general public? Are atheistic societies more suicidal? See: Atheism and suicide and Atheism and emotional intelligence

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You make my quote look like I'd deny that there are differences in the suicide rates of atheists and Christians, while I've said:

“

Andreas Lubitz was at first a depressed man. There are depressed atheists, there are depressed Christians. Atheists and Christians commit suicide, albeit at different rates - look at the number of suicides of veterans!

”

Your out-of-context quotation shows that you don't address what I've written (perhaps because you haven't read it at all), but just a straw-man of your own design. You are completely missing my point by showing that with a high degree of probability your brother has a splinter in his eye... --AugustO 03:48, 7 April 2015 (EDT)

AugustO, you are projecting from Conservative's comments way more than what can be reasonably concluded. It looks to me like you were trying to withhold the full truth about the consequences of atheism as practiced in a society, and that Conservative was calling you out on it, not that he was trying to distort what small amount you said about it. VargasMilan 04:56, 7 April 2015 (EDT)

Liberal double standard

Why is Wisconsin playing Duke in the NCAA basketball final an example of a liberal double standard? --Mjachimstahl 15:54, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

The headline explains why.--Andy Schlafly 17:13, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

Color me confused as well. The media didn't place these two teams in the championship game. Are they supposed to criticize the fact that a predominantly black team is matching up against a predominantly white team? What exactly is the problem here?--eg 6:15, 6 April (EDT)

The NCAA and the media harshly criticized Indiana for allowing businesses to choose, based on faith, with whom to do business. But segregation in their own NCAA finale is apparently fine with them. That's called a double standard.--Andy Schlafly 18:27, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

I just...there are no words. To paraphrase TV's King of the Hill, just when I think this website can't say anything stupider, it keeps publishing.---eg 7:10, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

Are you suggesting that the Wisconsin athletic department is rejecting qualified black basketball prospects based on racism, or that Duke is rejecting qualified white prospects for the same reason? It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on how the situation could be remedied. What policies would ensure an appropriate racial distribution on all NCAA teams? --Mjachimstahl 20:01, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

Nothing in the Indiana religious liberty bill authorized discrimination, so why did the NCAA harshly complaint about that, and then promote a white-versus-black tournament finale?--Andy Schlafly 20:42, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

Where has the NCAA promoted the championship game as being "white-versus-black"? Are you aware that neither team is made up solely of players of one race, that both teams have white AND black players? These are the last two undefeated teams in the tournament. The media isn't criticizing it because there's nothing to criticize.--eg 21:48, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

"USA Today asks: 'Why is the Badgers' roster predominantly white?'"[81]

Eg, why did you dodge Andy's question about the Indiana religious liberty bill? Conservative 22:22, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

Yes, BEFORE THE FINAL FOUR EVEN STARTED (as in, before the matchup for tonight's championship game was set), USA Today pointed out that Wisconsin has more white players than black players, as other media outlets already have this season as well. That is not the NCAA promoting tonight's game as a "black vs. white" event. As for Mr. Schlafly's question, the reason for the NCAA's criticism of the Indiana legislation is obvious, whether one agrees with it or not. I was responding to the 2nd half of his question.--eg 21:53, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

If the rationale for NCAA's criticism of Indiana's law was so correct and obvious, then why are you still dodging Andy's question and not able to fully address it? Yet another example of liberalism's intellectual inferiority and deceit? Conservative 23:23, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

I neither dodged the question nor did I say whether or not I'm liberal or conservative, or whether I agree with the NCAA's position on the legislation. Whether one agrees with them or not, it is plainly understood by all that the NCAA criticized the Indiana legislation because they felt it allowed for discrimination against a minority, specifically gays. There is absolutely no discrimination involved in the NCAA championship game, so it is absurd for Mr. Schlafly to suggest that the media should criticize them for it. User: Conservative, are you dodging my pointing out that the USA Today article you referred to had nothing to do with the championship game, or do you acknowledge your error?--eg 23:57, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

You mean "allowed for discrimination against" the acknowledgement of a secularly-perceived equality of the same-named but differing acts of a majority and a minority not "against a minority [group of individuals]". Just how remote are we going to get from actual discrimination against individuals before you stop calling it discrimination? VargasMilan 00:13, 7 April 2015 (EDT)

Congratulations Jahlil Okafor, Justise Winslow, Tyus Jones, Quinn Cook, Matt Jones, Marshall Plumlee, Amile Jefferson and Grayson Allen, the eight young men who carried Duke's team to victory. VargasMilan 23:49, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

Eg, "plainly understood by all"? Did someone conduct a large scientific poll on this matter? Is this a failed attempt to engage in the bandwagon fallacy and are you bluffing about this alleged overwhelming consensus? If it is "plainly understood by all", then why did Proposition 8 pass and why did the Defense of Marriage act pass? If it is "plainly understood by all", then why do 78 countries have anti-homosexuality laws?

I fail to see why the USA Today article has no relevance to your previous posts on this matter. They are a key player that is relevant to this discussion. I see your response as prideful denialism. Conservative 00:21, 7 April 2015 (EDT)