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:Excellent suggested ranking indeed.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 13:11, December 21, 2025 (EST) | :Excellent suggested ranking indeed.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 13:11, December 21, 2025 (EST) | ||
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| + | Your thoughts? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:31, December 21, 2025 (EST) | ||
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| + | :Andy, why do you let this [[troll]] continue to kill any spirit of [[collaboration]]? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 14:33, December 21, 2025 (EST) | ||
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| + | :[[Charlie Kirk]] is a [[martyr]] and a hero, but his life was tragically cut short. I think he'd be great at #2 or #3. Meloni campaigned as a conservative but I'm not sure she's governing as conservative as she ran.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 15:50, December 21, 2025 (EST) | ||
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Andy,
Several years ago I nominated Col. Douglas Macgregor for Conservative of the Year. User:Conservative used my nomination to engage in a months and years long series of personal attacks against me (mens rea) on talk pages and in Essay space. All Conservapedia editors saw user:Conservative's trolling as a disincentive to participate in joint projects such as making nominations for Conservative of the Year. User:Conservative's conduct remains unaddressed. RobSZelensky Must Go! 15:24, August 6, 2025 (EDT)
So then User:Conservative calls me to tell me he wanted to solicit Col. Macgregor to become an SEO consultant for Macgregor's new grassroots conservative organization, Our Country Our Choice (with the usual narcissistic spiel about what a brilliant genius he himself is, etc.) I asked what was going to happen when Macgregor runs a background check and discovers all the globalist and neo-nazi crap User:Conservative has added to Conservapedia? He hasn't mentioned Macgregor since.
But the bottom line is, his intimidation tactics via personal attacks and abuse of Essay space have disincentivized editors from participating in the Conservapedia project. RobSZelensky Must Go! 18:27, August 6, 2025 (EDT)
- This was the danger in allowing an Admin to personally target another Admin & editors with malicious personal attacks - it killed any spirit of collaboration. RobSRecovering Republican 06:50, December 9, 2025 (EST)
Don't be surprised about the lack of participation, Anything you say here can and will be used against you. Conservapedia needs reform, and then enforcement, of its basic anti-trolling and anti-spamming provisions. RobSRecovering Republican 00:46, December 15, 2025 (EST)
- Years of User:Conservative's trolling and personal attacks has killed any spirit of collaboration and taken all the fun out of wiki editing. Andy, why did you allow him to do it? RobSRecovering Republican 06:35, December 18, 2025 (EST)
Conservapedia is not a cult of personality, and Conservapedia should stop treating it as such
Neither is the MAGA movement a cult of personality. RobSZelensky Must Go! 16:58, October 21, 2025 (EDT)
Milei
It's not "real action" if it requires an American bailout. RobSZelensky Must Go! 17:49, October 29, 2025 (EDT)
Charlie Kirk
My vote goes to Charlie Kirk, and I don't consider it especially close. It's a shame we lost such a patriot to the United States. --Joshua Zambrano (talk) 00:48, November 30, 2025 (EST)
- Charlie Kirk is the obvious choice. He's unlikely to comeback and embarrass Conservapedia like John Kasich, Tom Massie, Marjorie Taylor Greene. or John Bolton. RobSRecovering Republican 13:07, December 8, 2025 (EST)
- Massie most certainly hasn't been an embarrassment to real conservatives. MTG maybe, Bolton and Kasich definitely.--Geopolitician (talk) 21:30, December 16, 2025 (EST)
- It would be a travesty if Kirk doesn't win. He gave up his life for the cause. Who else on this list did that?--Geopolitician (talk) 21:29, December 16, 2025 (EST)
my nomination proposals
I want to nominate those people also:
- Chaya Raichik for her efforts to reveal lunacy of liberals at her Libs of TikTok account and for her activism to punish psycopaths who celebrated Charlie Kirk murder
- Marco Rubio for his efforts in foreign policy, and deporting terrorists and their sympathizers from country
- Tom Homan for his efforts of mass deportations of criminals and illegal aliens
- Sean Duffy for ensuring safety in roads of country and standing against Gavin Newscum standards of driver licenses
- Riley Gaines for her efforts to ban transgenders in women that was finally signed by Trump
- Erika Kirk for successful managing of TPUSA after murder of her husband and receiving historic memberships to organization
- Tommy Robinson for leading biggest conservative and Christian march in England
- Steve Federico who is the father of victim Logan Federico, for exposing liberal soft on crime policy and humiliating democrats for it inside Congress
- JK Rowling for years being humiliated by liberals for standing transgenders policies
- DaBaby for releasing song to honor Iryna Zarutska
- Nicki Minaj, for her activist efforts to defend Christians of Nigeria
- Arnold Schwarzenegger, for standing against Newsome gerrmander redisricting
with those candidates, Charlie Kirk is most one who deserve to win this year --Alex Kosh (talk) 17:35, December 1, 2025 (EST)
- Seconded and Thirded. RobSRecovering Republican 00:53, December 15, 2025 (EST)
Foreign Leaders
We need to take a deep look to see if it is worth including certain foreign leaders. Yes, they may be conservative on domestic issues. But the real question is, do they advance or oppose the agendas which American neoconservatives have for their respective countries? If they do, then their domestic political positions are no longer relevant. They serve the enemies of the American people, and thus do not deserve any sort of positive recognition whatsoever. In fact, they should be condemned for their hypocrisy. "Conservatism for me, but not for thee!"--Geopolitician (talk) 16:37, December 16, 2025 (EST)
- Meloni and few others should be kicked out, or at least severely downgraded. RobSRecovering Republican 16:50, December 16, 2025 (EST)
- Here are my exact opinions on the ones currently on the page:
- Bukele- Downgrade. He isn't an ideological conservative, nor is he known for pursuing conservative initiatives beyond being tough on crime.
- Kast- Remove. His admiration for Bolsonaro, Milei, and Pinochet is a strong indicator that he will govern as a CIA puppet.
- Listhaug- Remove. Any right-wing populist who still supports Israel enough to want to move their country's embassy to Jerusalem is at this point a useful idiot or worse.
- Machado- Remove. She's glowing bright and isn't even trying to hide it.
- Meloni- Remove. She's sold out her voter base to such a degree that it would make more sense to nominate her for RINO of the Year, not Conservative of the Year.
- Milei- Remove. He's a CIA puppet, and isn't even governing as the fiscal libertarian he claimed to be.
- Nawrocki- Remove. He's a massive Russophobe, and has even implied that Russia's existence as a nation-state is a wrong which must be corrected.
- Takaichi- Not sure. It's currently unclear how hawkish she really is on Taiwan. --Geopolitician (talk) 21:25, December 16, 2025 (EST)
- Here are my exact opinions on the ones currently on the page:
- Machado & Takaiche are fairly obviously CIA puppets. Meloni probably isn't but her neocon tendencies are either real, or more probably just a lack of backbone & courage and just a desire to go along rather than join Orban & Fico. RobSRecovering Republican 22:38, December 16, 2025 (EST)
- By awarding its peace prize to Trump’s favorite Venezuelan opposition figure, pro-war coup plotter Maria Corina Machado, the Nobel Committee contravened the principles enshrined in its founding documents, as well as Swedish law. RobSRecovering Republican 09:44, December 17, 2025 (EST)
On leadership
The whole thing is worth reading. [1] Excerpt:
- "But the current era’s crop of ‘leaders’ have dropped all pretexts of charm and magnetism to become de facto cardboard cutouts for corporate interests and oligarchic influence—mouth pieces and empty voice boxes merely transcribing manifestos on behalf of their paymasters....Today, the hyper-connected financialized globalism of our age has created a vast matrix of manipulation that has normalized the dilution of both meritocracy and genuine political and democratic processes to the point where modern leaders are no longer elected by the dint of their personal courage, magnetism, or accomplishments, but rather selected by corporate special interests on the basis of their servility."
The point is, we should be wary of creating the impression some foreign leaders are "democratically elected" by a foreign "conservative populist" movement. "Democracy" doesn't work anymore. Least of all, as has been proven with the Biden Putsch, in the United States. RobSRecovering Republican 12:52, December 21, 2025 (EST)
- Interesting point!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 13:08, December 21, 2025 (EST)
- Your analysis of the right-leaning foreign leaders seems overly negative but I haven't studied their records in detail. Often a conservative candidate does become more liberal once elected, to pandering to the liberal media.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 13:43, December 21, 2025 (EST)
- Read the Simplicius piece above (it's not long). "Germany’s Friedrich “BlackRock” Merz, Canada’s Mark “Goldman Sachs” Carney, France’s Emmanuel “Rothschild” Macron, and many others." Others include Kaja Kallas, Starmer, Truss, Sunak, Boris Johnson, etc. Meloni, for instance, is not a "conservative" in her world view outside of domestic politics, as was Scholz. I haven't studied it, but many Latin American leaders appear to be picked from outside, and not really "democratically" elected. RobSRecovering Republican 14:06, December 21, 2025 (EST)
- Your analysis of the right-leaning foreign leaders seems overly negative but I haven't studied their records in detail. Often a conservative candidate does become more liberal once elected, to pandering to the liberal media.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 13:43, December 21, 2025 (EST)
Marjorie Taylor Greene’s tragic triumph
- The social-media populist is the future
Greene 2028! RobSRecovering Republican 10:04, December 17, 2025 (EST)
- If this is you proposing that she be nominated for Conservative of the Year, I second it. Yes, I also nominated her for RINO of the Year, but that's pending on whether she goes through with her resignation. Without that factor, she should be a strong contender for runner-up for Conservative of the Year (the winner obviously being Charlie Kirk).--Geopolitician (talk) 10:15, December 18, 2025 (EST)
- You know what, we should add Rand Paul as well. Massie is already nominated so no point in seconding that.--Geopolitician (talk) 10:15, December 18, 2025 (EST)
- Actually, it was a mistake I meant to post it on the RINO page. RobSRecovering Republican 11:30, December 18, 2025 (EST)
My nominees for No.1, 2 & 3
- Charlie Kirk
- Anna Paulina Luna
- Ken Paxton
Paxton has been a solid nominee for 3 years running; perhaps next year if he can knock off Cornyn. RobSRecovering Republican 00:39, December 19, 2025 (EST)
IMHO...(1) Kirk, (2) Machado, (3) Robinson (sacrifices...)
IMHO:
- #1 Charlie Kirk
- #2 Maria C Machado
- #3 Tommy Robinson
Telling (talk) 19:08, December 20, 2025 (EST)
- Excellent suggested ranking indeed.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 13:11, December 21, 2025 (EST)
Conservative of the year vote
Email sent to you.
Your thoughts? Conservative (talk) 14:31, December 21, 2025 (EST)
- Andy, why do you let this troll continue to kill any spirit of collaboration? RobSRecovering Republican 14:33, December 21, 2025 (EST)
- Charlie Kirk is a martyr and a hero, but his life was tragically cut short. I think he'd be great at #2 or #3. Meloni campaigned as a conservative but I'm not sure she's governing as conservative as she ran.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 15:50, December 21, 2025 (EST)
