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Darwin's Dilemma

All the discussion of the Ham/Nye debate made me think of this wonderful film. It pretty much refutes the entire spectrum of reductionist Darwinian evolutionary materialist propaganda, and does it with science. You really don't need to see debates of the sort discussed on this page because all the basic information is in that film. Dawkins and his cronies have still never really answered it. Try talking to them and they never actually address the arguments but just dismiss them outright. I highly recommend Darwin's Dilemma. --Burkean 21:04, 16 February 2014 (EST)

Thanks. It looks like an excellent movie. Also, God willing, I intend on reading Russell Kirk, Edmund Burke and Alexis de Tocqueville after I read some books on some other topics. Conservative 02:36, 17 February 2014 (EST)
What's the point of this theory? A Cambrian explosion implies a Cambrian period. That's compatible with Genesis? For an evolutionist response, see here. PeterKa 07:42, 17 February 2014 (EST)

I think the point of the film was we don't see the kind of tree shaped progression that was part of Darwin's theory. Also, Darwin's own later skepticism about his theory was also discussed. --Burkean 17:07, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

Wikipedia

A news item has been added to the right hand column which states, "Major news outlet reports Wikipedia's viewership may be sliding and the potential sliding was the result of Google's Knowledge Graph released in 2013." The item then shifts to spin this as a creationism victory. My reaction to the item is that it may be time for introspection and soul-searching at CP. It is clear that CP is somewhat derivative of Wikipedia. Both sites use the same software. Both rely on a volunteer base of editors. Both have a group of volunteer Administrators to clean up and also watch over the editors. More fundamentally, both rely upon the "best of the public" to crowdsource their editorial judgment.

The news item may have been appropriate if the only difference between Wikipedia and CP was its editorial stance on evolution/creationism. But, of course, we all know there are much larger differences. In general, CP attempts to remove the liberal bias its editors find in Wikipedia articles and to be "family friendly."

It is possible that the data suggest that an inherent flaw in wikis will lead to the fall from public acceptance as folks drift toward "the next new thing." We owe our readers more than this misleading news item. A number of CP editors have worked hard to document accurately the flaws and failing of Wikipedia, and the topic should appear from time to time on the Main Page. While Wikipedia and CP have a different approach toward evolution/ creationism, there are many more similarities and differences between the two projects. So, I respectfully suggest that we delete the main page item and move the underlying sources to footnotes on the appropriate CP articles. Wschact 06:27, 17 February 2014 (EST)

Wikipedia’s popularity has always been a function of the placement Google gives them in their search results. Knowledge Graph means that WP is getting somewhat less desirable placement now than it did before. It's only a matter of time before Google makes a deal to promote an alternative reference database, for example Credo Reference. That would make WP superfluous. But I don’t see how any of that would affect CP. PeterKa 07:41, 17 February 2014 (EST)
PeterKa, you have your own assumptions regarding how users arrive at Wikipedia or CP. Perhaps they are different than mine, but neither of us has access to the actual data. Google's new format which displays reference information on the search results page (Knowledge Graph) would be expected to affect page views on both Wikipedia and CP. It is not evidence regarding the evolution/creationism debate.
I always viewed the typical CP users as a home-schooled 10th grade student looking for a more reliable reference source than Wikipedia. Perhaps we should conduct a user survey to get a better picture of who we are serving as our user base. Thanks. Wschact 14:32, 17 February 2014 (EST)
Alexa has "actual data" on who visits each site and why. PeterKa 20:07, 17 February 2014 (EST)

All of the above comments on this subtopic are superb, from differing perspectives. The Alexa link is interesting, too: it confirms that Conservapedia visitors have a higher percentage of graduate school-educated people, and a higher percentage of women, than the internet at large.

I've always expected Google to down-rank Conservapedia, so we have never been dependent on Google for any more than a small percentage of our traffic. If people want run-of-the-mill, lamestream media-type stuff, they go to Google or Wikipedia. Our traffic has always tended to be self-motivated people who are willing to put in an effort to look for the truth, and they find it here.--Andy Schlafly 22:09, 17 February 2014 (EST)

Catastrophic blow to creationism and the 'Question! Evolution' blog

According to the Christian site [1], a poll shows a staggering 92% decided Bill Nye won the debate on 'Is creation a viable model of origins in today's modern scientific era?' [2]

EJamesW 14:50, 17 February 2014 (EST)

Don't get me wrong - I think Nye won on the merits - but an online poll can be incredibly inaccurate - say an atheist group knew about the poll and swarmed it - it doesn't say too much.--IDuan 17:14, 17 February 2014 (EST)
Big yawn. For at least ten years or so, Christianity Today has had a liberal Christianity readership.[3][4] And we know that liberal Christians (like atheists/agnostics) are more superstitious than conservative Christians and they have lower moral standards (See: Irreligion and superstition and Liberal Christianity and marital infidelity and Atheism and morality), so they are not exactly debate judge material in terms of rationality and justly weighing the evidence. Second, the online poll may have had a clickbot or clickbots do a number of votes and had atheists/agnostics participate as well. Third, Creation Ministries International has more PhD scientists than any Christian organization in the world and we know the atheist community is afraid to debate them. [5][6] Dr. Jonathan Sarfati or Dr. Don Batten could crush any evolutionist in a debate like a tin can and the evolutionists know it. Next, I agree with the USA Today that it wasn't even really much of a debate. Just two guys reading prepared statements and they had very little interaction. The USA Today said the debate was likely to not change very many people's minds and I tend to agree.[7] The format for the debate was very poor. Conservative 21:32, 17 February 2014 (EST)
Due to global creationism growing quickly, Latino evangelicals growing quickly in the Americas including North America, creationist websites growing their web traffic, and more scientific evidence coming out that debunks Darwinism, eventually, there will be a respectable creation vs. evolution debate in terms of the debate format and the debate participants will be the best debaters as well from each side of the aisle. Conservative 22:14, 17 February 2014 (EST)
One other important matter. The movie The Great Debaters had a line which rings true. And that is that metaphorically speaking "debate is bloodsport. It is combat". People with prosecuting attorney personalities, make better debaters than administrators. They can go on the attack as well as better outline/defend their position. Ken Ham mainly gave a cursory outline of the creation position and he overemphasized some points when outlining his position without citing the opposing side agreeing with him on key points with sufficient depth (like he could have cited the prominent evolutionist Ernst Mayr agreeing with him on the operational vs. historical science issue). Ken Ham due to the debate format and his administrator personality, did not go on the attack enough via cross-examination of Nye's claims. In presidential debates, the candidates have people simulate their debate opponents. I don't think Ken Ham did that (for example, as evidenced by his lack of cross-examination when it came to the fossil record/missing links. See: Evolution and the fossil record). Conservative 22:34, 17 February 2014 (EST)

Facebook gender options

Last Thursday, Facebook changed its user profile database to allow more than the two traditional genders (male and female). The change gained coverage on CNN. /[8] At least one poll shows that a majority of the public think that it would be better to remove gender than to expand the options. [9]. Privacy advocates question why anyone would want to share personal data with Facebook and its profit-making marketers that use that data to target advertising. What happens in the privacy of one's bedroom is known only by the people present and by God. Any technology that makes a permanent public record of sexual preferences (and puts a subtle pressure on users to make that disclosure) is a very bad idea. I would suggest a main page news item on this subject. Thanks, Wschact 08:35, 18 February 2014 (EST)

Only fifty gender options? That's so limiting! Who do these gender Nazis think they are? PeterKa 03:51, 19 February 2014 (EST)

Interesting article on accidents' gender distribution at the Olympics

Nothing definitive - but food for thought (New York Times)--IDuan 22:29, 18 February 2014 (EST)

Obama File Founder Targeted for Virus Attacks

Conservative Websites are being subjected to denial of service attacks and worm virus infection. [10] Confirm or deny? And when i hit Preview here then it loads the Main page instead. Daniel1212 00:11, 19 February 2014 (EST)

Russia - gay issue

Russia fell remarkably short in hockey today - losing to Finland - where is the analysis as to what impact their approach to gay rights had on the game?! Surely - since games are no longer won on skill and coaching (and a little luck), but instead on how much you hate gays - there has to be some explanation for this travesty. If we can attribute the United States's shortcomings to a handful of states legalizing gay marriage (although while Andy accuses US Olympians of not being competitive enough because of this culture, he is unable to say how he himself has lost his competitive advantage), to what do we attribute a Russian shortcoming? I have an idea - let's just make something up! Andy would you do the honors?--IDuan 10:21, 19 February 2014 (EST)

Here's my take:
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? (Matthew 5:44-46, King James Version (KJV))
If God decides Finland should win, Finland wins, regardless of how many gays are on the team, or if no gays are on the team. He's no respecter of persons, and he rules in the affairs of men whether they like it or not (Daniel 4:25). But if His children should get some sort of harm there's going to be a reckoning. In the sporting world, witness what happened to the Broncos as a result of their heavy-handed treatment of Tim Tebow[11]. Massive humiliation at the Superbowl, which was never expected. Karajou 10:37, 19 February 2014 (EST)

Side debate on the amount of intervention in daily life (does God choose which team wins a sporting event?)

Karajou you really believe in that much intervention? I don't understand how you can say sporting events are decided purely on God's will - but then if we ever talk about the lower class we say that they're lazy and they just need to work harder. Also it seems a little extreme to say that God was super upset over Tim Tebow. You know teams make cuts all the time right? And since the vast majority of NFL players are Christian - a lot of those cuts are Christian kids. So is every team punished for going in other directions? The Seahawks brought in Matt Flynn as their QB two years ago but then benched him in training camp for Russell Wilson. Why weren't they punished? Do you really believe that because human media gave Tebow lots of coverage - God was paying more attention to Tebow? As if he's the only outspoken Christian in the NFL? But again I also don't believe God wastes his time deciding on football games. I think hard work, skill and some luck decides sporting events. Just like hard work, skill and some luck is required in financial success.--IDuan 11:31, 19 February 2014 (EST)
Follow-up: Is every blowout a punishment of God? Is every bad thing that happens a punishment of God? Are starving children being punished by God? If you really believe in that much intervention ethical questions arise.--IDuan 11:39, 19 February 2014 (EST)
Read Daniel 4:25 over and over and over again. As I said, He rules over the affairs of men whether they like it or not. As to Tebow, I believe he was a second-string quarterback who won more than half the games that he started; he could have been better, had a quarterbacks coach taken the time to train him properly, but that didn't happen. What did happen was hostility in the inner circle to Tebow's Christianity, and John Elway is on record as to where he stood in relation to that, as well as the NFL as a whole. As to your own belief in this matter, I want to see it right now: are you an atheist? Are you a liberal? Are you an agnostic? Karajou 11:51, 19 February 2014 (EST)
Tebow had a series of quarterback coaches, Brian. Both ones for teams and ones that he hired. And you and I have talked in private about my personal beliefs many times, and I used to state them on here, but I'll gladly state them again. I'm a conservative who voted for McCain in 2008 (the first year I could vote) and Obama in 2012 (Romney's 45% comment in addition to his London gaffe. I've supported the ideas of Ron Paul, although I think the man himself is much more flawed than his ideas - and his supporters refuse to acknowledge that. I am a deist* (see below) - not an atheist or agnostic - I attended a liberal church (from home - Church of the Covenenant on Military Road in Arlington, VA - with Bill Greener, who you might know from running a few prominent politician's campaigns - like Haley Barbour (Mr. Greener has since moved.) The pastor at my home church is Pastor Beth, though I do not know her as well as the previous Reverend Bill Hoffman - who I grew up with). Since you apparently have decided to stop believing who I am entirely despite our talks on email and my long existence here, I can also give you my old street- Marcey Road - I lived across from Donaldson Run pool in an affluent neighborhood with mostly Democrats - although a neighbor of mine - Michelle Woodward - worked closely with Ronald Reagan - she recently uploaded a photo of him and her on Air Force One together! I believe she also voted for Obama in 2012. If you want to label me as a way to overcome the fact that I win the vast majority of debates on here - feel free, but I've always been clear on who I am. Anything else?--IDuan 12:56, 19 February 2014 (EST)
You're a "conservative" who votes for Obama? Okidoki. I voted for McCain by absentee ballot. Then he came out in favor of the banking bailout and made me regret it. I should have voted for the Libertarian or something like that. What's the point of supporting somebody who is determined to lose? Even if you really believe that the banks need more money, you can least shut up about it until after the election. PeterKa 06:31, 21 February 2014 (EST)
You talk about voting for someone bound to lose ... and you wished you'd voted for a Libertarian Party candidate? And you want candidates to lie to get elected? I don't regret supporting McCain; I also don't regret not supporting Romney--IDuan 11:39, 21 February 2014 (EST)
Ah, so I take that it you are a bailout supporter as well. McCain craved the approval of the drive-by media, which of course wanted him to lose the election and gave him bad advice. So I don’t see his position as a principled one. I knew McCain was unprincipled buffoon when I voted for him, but I was hoping his political instincts and desire to get elected would keep that side of him under control. Why would I have voted for the Libertarian? To vent my white-hot rage concerning the banking bailout and to protest a “democracy” that does not allow its citizens to determine policy on the most important issue of the day. After all these years of recession and near-recession, it would be hard to argue that the bailout craze saved our economy. The 2008 bailouts were modeled on the Japanese bailouts of 1990, so this result was all too predictable. PeterKa 00:37, 22 February 2014 (EST)
So, based upon what you just said in your previous two paragraphs, we have to accept deism on this site? We've been slammed with deists who insist on the lie that the Founding Fathers were deists, despite evidence to the contrary. A deist is just someone who's got one foot in and one foot out; neither hot nor cold, and couldn't care less. What did Christ say about such an individual? What did He say about such a church?
This website is Christian, Iduan, not deist, not atheist, not agnostic, and we're not going to be forced to change our way of thinking. This debate is over with. Karajou 13:18, 19 February 2014 (EST)

What are you talking about? Christianity is a form of Deism I was responding to your accusations that I was an atheist or agnostic. Deism is a belief in God. I am a Christian. Hence why I further detailed my Christian Church that I attended. Furthermore this has nothing to do with the hockey team.--IDuan 13:21, 19 February 2014 (EST)

Update - I was mistaken in my definition - I believed deist simply referred to belief in God, as in the opposite of atheist. So when Karajou asked me if I was an atheist or agnostic, it made sense to me to say deist. I was not aware that deism was its own philosophical movement - my church I listed is not a deist church - feel free to call them to ask. Sorry for the confusion there - full descriptor - I am a Presbyterian Protestant Christian. We know Andy is Catholic, Conservative is Protestant, and Karajou I assume you're Protestant. We don't know specific denominations - but alas, we don't need to. This notion that all of the users with block rights or sysops or admins have the exact same ideology is misguided (well - I guess the only admin is Andy ... so, yes, all the admins have the same ideology). If anyone is looking for something to label me as so that they can dismiss all my ideas - I would suggest evolutionist. I'm one of the users on Conservapedia who doesn't believe in a Young Earth - and that contrasts me with I believe most the sysops. Topics we discuss on main page talk are lighthearted debate - sure sometimes I get a little competitive and excessively snarky - but then we all do. Groupthink doesn't - and shouldn't - happen here. We aren't all the same. What joins us is a conservative political outlook and an embrace of the Christian faith. The differences Catholic or Protestant or a YEC or evolutionist shouldn't be what divides us, but what we discuss here. I'm happy that Andy encourages this discussion - I'm happy to have had the discussions with him, Conservative and Karajou that I've had; I'm happy to have read the ones I haven't been a party of.--IDuan 00:03, 20 February 2014 (EST)

Hockey/classroom prayer

I would ask whether you support or want to censor classroom prayer, as that is a better indicator one's belief system and future path. As to hockey, it is very much a team sport, and with Russian players in the NHL the nation has not been able to put together a strong Olympic team for decades.--Andy Schlafly 16:33, 19 February 2014 (EST)

But isn't that a double standard? There's so much inconsistency, Andy - with respect surely you see that. When the broncos got demolished it was Peyton Manning, when the Thunder win it's Kevin Durant, when Lebron James wins - it's his team, when the Lakers win - well it's super coach Phil Jackson, when the Lakers lose - it's a liberal franchise, when An American doesn't medal - it's because we have states that allow gay marriage; when countries that have legalized gay marriage medal - well they're not real events, when Russia loses? Well, it's a team sport. I support classroom prayer provided it is not teacher-led. Would you want a Muslim teacher leading kids in a prayer to Allah? You might scoff but that is the inevitable outcome of teacher led prayer - one teacher gets radical or political and the ACLU is defending him/her and then a bunch of teachers join in.--IDuan 16:40, 19 February 2014 (EST)

I guess my larger point is - doesn't it make more sense - and seem simpler - to suggest that individual/team performance are always what determines a franchise/team's success? Not gay politics or one franchise being liberal etc. I find those discussions to be largely speculative (and frankly inconsistent with the data - to say the U.S. has dropped off because of allowing gay marriage is to also ignore that - last I checked - most the medal winners have gay marriage laws. This is not to say legalizing gay marriage makes you better at sports. It's to say there's no clear correlation.) When you think about it - my argument - to judge athletes on their skill and accomplishments - is the basis for every sports disagreement we've had. Kevin Durant (although he's getting a ton of media attention this year because he's expected to win MVP - he's killing it) doesn't get as much media attention as Lebron James because Kevin Durant has less accomplishments. 0 championships. Let's give special attention to athletes who do great things - broadcast love for Christ or do charitable works or whatever - but let's not suggest that those things are the reason they're good athletes - they might be contributing factors, but plenty of bad people have been exceptional athletes.--IDuan 18:21, 19 February 2014 (EST)

Iduan, according to The Sports Journal, a monthly refereed journal published by the United States Sports Academy, the data indicates that religious commitment correlates positively with sports performance: Sports performance: Religious faith vs. atheism. The medical science data points to homosexuality having a deleterious effect on sports performance all other factors remaining equal. See: Homosexuality and health. Plus, demographic data shows that societies which embrace homosexuality often have sub-replacement levels of fertility which would lower the potential population in their country to become Olympic athletes. Conservative 20:26, 19 February 2014 (EST)

Someone needs to say it, so here I go; it works the other way around. The sport causes the athlete to be superstitious, not the other way around. This has been extensively studied in baseball, the nature of the game is such that no one player has total control; therefore, they result to superstitious rituals to try to influence everything they can't control. This translates to a greater willingness to believe in a higher power, and therefore a greater faith in God (or other deities). What you're saying is a bit like stating that fevers cause someone to get a virus. Incidentally, I think you're protesting a little too loudly about the gay issue, but hey... AuricG 11:44, 20 February 2014 (EST)

Interesting basketball article

ESPN the Magazine suggests Paul George is the best two-way player in the league. The Pacers are doing very well - I think if you had to pick the semifinalists this year you would say Heat/Pacers and Thunder/Rockets. (maybe Spurts because of Pop)--IDuan 14:48, 19 February 2014 (EST)

Is the Russia headline a celebration or a suggest at causation?

Haven't we discounted figure skating as not a real sport before? Also - should we mention that pro-homosexual Canada just won women's hockey gold? Once again, I don't really understand how if Russia wins - it's because of how anti-gay they are, if Russia loses - it's not because they're anti-gay. But alas I don't think I'll ever convince you not to politicize sport outcomes. My point is only that we lose credibility with the inconsistency. We haven't reported on the nations that have legalized gay marriage that have won a majority of the medals ... because that wouldn't fit our preconceived argument. We don't report when Russia loses - that wouldn't fit our preconceived argument. We don't report when Canada wins - wouldn't fit preconceived argument. When Russia wins, well it's proof that our preconceived argument is true. It stinks of opportunism.--IDuan 16:55, 20 February 2014 (EST)

Here's an article on France sweeping mens' ski cross in a surprise--IDuan 16:57, 20 February 2014 (EST)

New Christian movie

Sort of cheesy (as the genre usually is), but seems intriguing - God's Not Dead Worth a look (Conservative, Andy)--IDuan 17:15, 20 February 2014 (EST)

Good review - looks terrible; although issues with the review are mostly the notion that an atheist would scoff at the big bang ... the Big Bang is what an atheist would believe in without God ... so this notion that YEC is the only argument that could possibly sway an atheist is a little wrong.--IDuan 08:51, 21 February 2014 (EST)

Kevin Durant loses to Lebron James

I would never suggests that this is anything more than one game - but given how you love to report regular season headlines ... I just have to point out:

  • Miami Heat 103
  • Oklahoma City Thunder 81

The Heat DEMOLISHED the Thunder. That's a 22 point loss. Lebron James just out dueled Kevin Durant - but Durant is still the favorite to win the MVP at this halfway mark. James scored 33 points on 15-22 shooting; Durant 28 points on 10-22 shooting. More impressive? Lebron didn't even play the full fourth quarter - midway through he was taken out of the game after getting hit in the face on a monster dunk he threw on Serge Ibaka.--IDuan 12:10, 21 February 2014 (EST)

Canada

Maybe Putin's tolerance for homosexuals was not pro-heterosexual enough to earn him more golds? brenden 12:47, 21 February 2014 (EST)

There are a lot of joke sports in the Olympics. The figure skating medals count far more than, for example, freestyle skiing and curling, which have been the bulk of the Canadian golds.--Andy Schlafly 12:55, 21 February 2014 (EST)
Says you. I don't notice any formula weighing one sport more heavily than another in the standings. EddyJ 13:03, 21 February 2014 (EST)
Figure skating causes homosexuality. Curling, on the other hand, has no consequences and can be safely ignored. Skiing is somewhere in between because it causes broken legs. BarrySM 17:28, 22 February 2014 (EST)

Pro-heterosexual Russia horsewhipping women in the streets.

Hi ASchlafly. Which do you think is more important about Russia -- supporting heterosexuals or sending the Cossacks to horse-whip women in the street? Why highlight one on the main page while ignoring the other? also, why does pro-homosexual Canada have roughly as many medals as pro-heterosexual Russia with a much smaller population? EddyJ 12:52, 21 February 2014 (EST)

Because the Lord, "makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust," (Matthew 5:45) as Jesus put it in the Sermon on the Mount. Christianity is not about predicting the outcome of sporting events, but about eternal life and preparing our souls for judgement. PeterKa 23:43, 21 February 2014 (EST)
EddyJ, I'm absolutely horrified at what Putin has done to his people. Neither gender nor homosexuality has any impact whatsoever on one's ability to lead a good life, and Putin's oppression of both women and gays is a violation of basic human rights. AuricG 14:39, 22 February 2014 (EST)
The Russian people don't seem to mind what Putin is doing -- and that includes his treatment of anti-Christian Pussy Riot. If you can overlook his occupation of Georgia, there's a lot to like, (although I have to wonder if his "gay friends" are responsible for this). To put it in Realpolitik terms, Iran is our most dangerous rival is today's world. In tomorrow's, it may be China. Russia is at least potentially an ally against both. PeterKa 03:30, 23 February 2014 (EST)
I should add that of course I am against whipping women in the streets, and that Pussy Riot's two year sentence is a travesty. But if the Russian people are OK with it, it's just another hard luck tale. PeterKa 06:50, 24 February 2014 (EST)
I highly doubt the people like it any more than they did living in the USSR, but you never know. AuricG 12:41, 24 February 2014 (EST)
You think the Russians are fans of Pussy Riot? They've been going back to the church in a big way over the last decade. A irreligious performance at a cathedral isn't a way to get on their good side. PeterKa 20:52, 24 February 2014 (EST)
Prison sentences in the United States are a lot longer for doing something less offensive than what the rock group did in Russia.--Andy Schlafly 21:12, 24 February 2014 (EST)
Well, no one forced you to watch, did they? You don't have a right to walk through life unoffended. AuricG 22:17, 24 February 2014 (EST)

Ukraine

How should we grade the situation in Ukraine?--JoeyJ 14:38, 21 February 2014 (EST)

Another country liberated from neo-communism. Feels like 1991 again. Perhaps Georgia will be next. I thought Ukraine might be another Honduras, but this time the administration seems to be coming down on the right side. Of course, Obama has vetoed his own closest advisers before, on both Syria and Iran. (With his experience as the nominal author of a ghost-written memoir, state legislator, and Teleprompter reader, not to mention presidential golfer and basketball player, he can sometimes see further than the experts.) Hopefully, the Ukrainians won't go join euro zone or something like that. PeterKa 22:50, 25 February 2014 (EST)
It's hard to tell if the opposition is worse and more socialist than the officials being ousted. Overthrowing the governments in Libya, Iraq, and Egypt made matters much worse for Christianity and religious freedom.--Andy Schlafly 23:13, 25 February 2014 (EST)
Ukraine's new president is a Baptist pastor. So you can never be sure. PeterKa 21:12, 26 February 2014 (EST)
Great. Next stop, Ted Cruz or Rand Paul for US President. :) Conservative 23:11, 26 February 2014 (EST)
Being the governor of a large swing state is always an advantage. That would suggest John Kasich (governor of Ohio) or Jeb Bush (governor of Florida). PeterKa 01:17, 28 February 2014 (EST)
@Andy Schlafly: But there is no Persecution of Christians in Ukraine.--JoeyJ 08:19, 28 February 2014 (EST)

Sasha and Malia promoted to "senior staff" at White House

Or at least they were listed that way for purposes of this trip to Africa. Just think of the carbon footprint these first family trips generate. Would people who actually cared about global warming act like this? But maybe they have the right idea. After all, we have only two more years to live, according to crazy Al Gore. PeterKa 08:37, 22 February 2014 (EST)

Portals

In Wikipedia there are Portals about different themes. I would like to create Portals at Conservapedia about Abortion, Atheism, Global warming, Economics, Atheism etc.--JoeyJ 12:32, 22 February 2014 (EST)

Please explain further. How is this different from the use of Categories, which we are doing?--Andy Schlafly 12:38, 22 February 2014 (EST)
Andy, so you have a better idea of what a portal is, this is Wikipedia's atheism portal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Atheism The portal concept adds value for wiki visitors and are a good organizational tool. CreationWiki uses portals and I am guessing Terry is familiar with them. CP could have portals for: politics, Republican Party, Democratic Party, atheism, creationism, evolution, global warming/climate change, etc. Conservative 13:11, 22 February 2014 (EST)
So, will we create some portals now?--JoeyJ 04:53, 23 February 2014 (EST)
Here are two examples: Portal:Global warming and Portal:Evolution. --JoeyJ 05:09, 23 February 2014 (EST)

JoeyJ, I am a bit slow trying to follow this. Are you advocating the creation of portals or not? If so, why are you advocating the speedy deletion of the two sample portals that you created? Thanks, Wschact 05:06, 15 March 2014 (EDT)

Look at here, Wschact.--JoeyJ 10:25, 15 March 2014 (EDT)

Pro heterosexual Finland? Really?

A quick BING search shows these results.

http://www.gaytimes.co.uk/Hotspots/GayGuide-action-Country-countryid-384.html
http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/finland-gay-marriage-bill-reaches-parliament200214

REALLY? Davidspencer 16:24, 22 February 2014 (EST)

Yes, Finland has repeatedly rejected same-sex marriage, "REALLY".--Andy Schlafly 19:37, 22 February 2014 (EST)
Andy, you're protesting same sex marriage just a little too loudly... AuricG 12:46, 24 February 2014 (EST)

Gay marriage and hockey

Pro-gay-marriage Canada (looking for a repeat) and pro-gay-marriage Sweden (gold medal 2 Olympics ago) are going to play for the gold tomorrow. Logic dictates that THAT is the big story here, not what happened in the bronze medal game. Obviously, legalizing gay marriage makes a country a gold-medal hockey nation. EddyJ 18:02, 22 February 2014 (EST)

No, it's not news that two nations with hockey traditions far greater than anyone else are playing for the gold. It is news that a nation of only 5.4 million people crushes a nation of 300 million people by a score of 5-0.--Andy Schlafly 19:39, 22 February 2014 (EST)
Human sexuality is a powerful force that probably affects us more than we realize. And the issue of same-sex marraige has received more press coverage in the past 18 months than in all of history before that. However, Conservapedia aspires to be a "family friendly" website, and I hesitate to recommend it when so many of the front page right items frame things in terms of pro-heterosexuality. Could we dial it back a bit and just focus on the sports, politics, technology and culture without viewing everything in terms of sex? Conservatives view the Olympics as a sporting event. Gay rights advocates view the Olympics as a forum to publicize Russia's policies. Reading the MPR makes clear who won the framing war. Thanks Wschact 06:01, 25 February 2014 (EST)
But what would be even worse is if they were allowed to "selectively" frame the issue, by e.g. making it about "gay rights" where they have a louder voice (mainstream media) and making it not about that where they don't (here). So as perverse as it seems to allow the politicization of the Winter Olympics on an encyclopedia, it is really just trying to cancel out the effect. You could call it a kind of political pole placement. JamesWS 16:26, 25 February 2014 (EST)

News pick

http://blog.al.com/wire/2014/02/alabama_senate_passes_barely_b.html Apparently, it is a felony to misstate one's height, weight or eye color on a voter ID application in Alabama. There's apparently a bill in the Alabama Legislature to change this to a misdemeanor. One has to wonder why this extraneous information is being collected with voter ID applications. GregG 10:24, 25 February 2014 (EST)

The same information is collected for driver's licenses. Is voting somehow a less important activity?--Andy Schlafly 11:08, 25 February 2014 (EST)
First, driving is a privilege. Voting is a right.
Second, I think the current law has a lot of unintended consequences. A woman who writes down that she weighs 120 lb on her voter ID application when she weighs 130 lb (leave aside the propriety of asking a woman her weight!) shouldn't be guilty of a felony. The current law threatens felony convictions for innocent mistakes, which aren't even germane to voting eligibility or voter fraud, in applying for an ID needed to vote (well, not quite, but this is beyond the point). I applaud the Alabama Senate in passing the bill. GregG 21:18, 25 February 2014 (EST)
A prosecutor and the court would require mens rea as a condition of a charge, and there is no evidence of improper enforcement. Voting is no less serious than driving.--Andy Schlafly 23:18, 25 February 2014 (EST)
From Alabama Code §17-9-30(i), "any falsification or fraud in the making of the [voter ID] application shall constitute a Class C felony"; there is no mention of mens rea. I agree that voting is no less serious than driving, which is why I believe that any state that wants to implement a voter ID law must go out of its way to ensure no eligible voter is disenfranchised as a result. GregG 23:30, 25 February 2014 (EST)

Desert scarfing?

If you're going to spew vile hatred towards people, you could at least check your spelling first. AuricG 12:33, 25 February 2014 (EST)

I wonder which member of the collective forgot to use spell check. They all seem to abhor the use of the show preview button. Ole ole ole! -CoreyG 15:34, 25 February 2014 (EST)
It was Conservative, who is equally averse to use of logic and reason, so not exactly shocking. AuricG 21:29, 25 February 2014 (EST)
Thanks guys. You prompted me to revisit the issue of overweight atheists and I added Brian Dunning and Steven Novella to the Atheism and obesity article as they appear to have had some challenges as far as being overweight. Conservative 22:13, 25 February 2014 (EST)
It appears from my RSS feeds that someone didn't approve of the addition of Messrs. Dunning and Novella to the main page. GregG 23:19, 25 February 2014 (EST)
Thanks for the input GregG. A better way was found to incorporate the information onto the main page (see main page left - humor section and The Surgeon General of Atheism and excess weight!). Conservative 19:22, 26 February 2014 (EST)

AuricG, if liberals are such great humanitarians, then why don't they highlight the loss of life due to the higher rate of disease within the homosexual population and that many people have become ex-homosexuals via the power of God? See: Homosexuality and disease Conservative 18:31, 27 February 2014 (EST)

They don't because anyone who makes the claims you do above is making things up. Modern psychology has repeatedly found that there is no correlation between homosexuality and any physical or mental disease, the fact that you choose to ignore that is your fault and not mine. And as I've said before, I get the sense you're protesting this issue just a bit too loudly. AuricG 11:22, 28 February 2014 (EST)

AuriceG, your statement makes no sense and is in error.

For one, psychology does not focus on the prevalence of physical diseases like AIDS, MRSA, STDs and that is more the province of medical science. Secondly, at CP, I cite the CDC and a host of credible medical journals indicating that homosexuals do have more health issues: Homosexuality and health. Plus, I cited a Canadian homosexual group indicating a correlation between homosexuality and lower health. And why has the American AIDS situation been so prevalent among homosexuals?

Stubborn liberals are going to do what they want to do despite the evidence. And we have a Eurocrisis, an American 17 trillion dollar federal deficit and notable cases of liberal pseudoscience to prove it (global cooling, global warming, evolution, abiogenesis, etc. etc. etc.). No reason to further engage you. Conservative 12:21, 28 February 2014 (EST)

Uganda Liberals

You're missing a comma ("why so bitter and angry about Uganda, liberals?"). I spent quite a few seconds trying to parse it because it seems to be about Ugandan liberals as currently written. MelH 19:27, 25 February 2014 (EST)

MelH, if liberals are such great humanitarians, then why don't they highlight the loss of life due to the higher rate of disease within the homosexual population and the many people have become ex-homosexuals via the power of God? See: Homosexuality and disease Conservative 18:32, 27 February 2014 (EST)
Some godless liberals are upset about my main page post about this matter and are now opining about me probably joining the SS if I were a German in the 1930s. Last time I checked, there weren't any Christian, young earth creationist who were pro-Israel in the SS! But there were plenty of SS evolutionists who asserted that the Germans were the master race! And it is atheists who were the biggest mass murders in history - not Bible believing Christians. See: Atheism and mass murder.
Ludicrous fantasies like these about the editor or editors using the User: Conservative account are proving to be quite an embarrassment to them. Some "rational" gentlemen need to get a life! Their seething anger is erupting like a volcano at their wiki and is driving them mad! Conservative 23:37, 26 February 2014 (EST)
Message to Grant: God in his providence placed me in this era of time. And it is an exciting time where global Christianity - particularly biblical Christianity - is exploding in adherents. And a time of the global resurgence of religion (see: Desecularization). Relatively speaking, global atheism is losing influence as it is losing global market share and it is projected to once again experience a loss in actual number of adherents. "Do not say, 'Why were the former days better than these?' For you do not inquire wisely concerning this." - Solomon, (Ecclesiastes 7:10) Conservative 01:07, 27 February 2014 (EST)
Quite how that was a response to MelH's post is left up to the imagination, I suppose... AuricG 11:53, 27 February 2014 (EST)

Thanks, added a post directly below MelH's statement. Conservative 18:30, 27 February 2014 (EST)

I'm not following. My comment was solely about confusing grammar, which was corrected shortly after I posted. No other message should be implied. MelH 22:25, 27 February 2014 (EST)
MelH, you are correct. My apologies. Conservative 22:39, 27 February 2014 (EST)

Mitt Romney a RINO? You didn't always think so.

Andy, why did you http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Mitt_Romney&action=historysubmit&diff=1010522&oldid=1010022 remove] the characterization of Romney as RINO from his article back in October 2012? Was it because of political reasons before the election, or because you are easily taken in? EddyJ 15:48, 26 February 2014 (EST)

Interesting observation, but Romney was consistently listed as a RINO Backer. I never thought Romney was a conservative.--Andy Schlafly 16:54, 26 February 2014 (EST)

Katy Perry and Allah

In Katy Perry's new video "Dark Horse", she lasers down "Allah". The Muslims are shouting blasphemy and circulating a petition to get it removed from Youtube. PeterKa 21:24, 26 February 2014 (EST)

Bearing in mind, of course, that the Abrahamic god is the same in Christianity, Judaism, and Islam (among others) of course... AuricG 12:21, 28 February 2014 (EST)
Since Perry is not Muslim, I assume she is using the conventional English-language meaning of the word: "Used as the name of God in Islam."[12]

Two things Conservative

1: You have been told before the UK is in the process of removing Darwin from its banknotes. Andy even posted a news article on it. 2: How is this article in anyway about the UK. It mentions Australia, which is a fully independent country and 12000 miles away from Britian. I suspect this is just another attempt to wind someone up and get a reaction from them.--JerryCa 02:27, 1 March 2014 (EST)

You are incorrect. It is the British as can be seen here: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/26/could-some-internet-trolls-actually-be-government-operatives-beck-warns-americans-to-be-wary/ By the way, you spelled Britain wrong.
Second, why can't the British be more like the far more respectable and prosperous Swiss who focus more of their energies on business pursuits rather than paying their government employees to troll and gossip on the internet? The Swiss have one of the highest rates of creationism in Europe.[13]
I hope you are not mistaking me for a British person.--JerryCa 19:14, 1 March 2014 (EST)
  • It's not like the Brits are souring on evolution. Darwin is being booted out to make room for a woman (Jane Austen) in response to feminist yapping.[14] PeterKa 23:21, 1 March 2014 (EST)
Darwin's role on the currency is going extinct without a fuss, which is a sign that he has lost some stature.--Andy Schlafly 23:39, 1 March 2014 (EST)
There is far more public interest in feminism than in evolution. That's been true for a long time, probably since the 1970s. We should put up some essays on womanly submission in a Christian family. I'm sure it would boost the site's numbers. PeterKa 06:06, 5 March 2014 (EST)

The future population of the UK may not have a strong affinity to Darwinism:

"Of the 5.4 million natural increase projected between mid-2012 and mid-2037, only 3.8 million would occur if net migration were zero at each and every age throughout the projection period. Thus, about 60 per cent of the projected increase in the population over the period mid-2012 to mid-2037 is either directly attributable to future migration (43 per cent), or indirectly attributable to the effect of fertility and mortality on these future migrants (17 per cent).” - Financial Times[15] Conservative 04:52, 2 March 2014 (EST)

Public interest in feminism appears to have dropped since 2005 if Google trends is correct.[16] In the atheist movement, feminism appears to be on the rise which is probably not helping the below replacement fertility rate of their community. See: Elevatorgate and Atheism and women and Atheism and marriage. Conservative 14:23, 5 March 2014 (EST)

A quick note to some homosexual agenda apologists

Gentlemen, I trust I addressed your fantasies of me being imprisoned in a French/British jail for pointing out the significant health risks of homosexuality according to medical science and the other deleterious affects of homosexuality to society. Clearly, my industrious Swiss, biblical creationist brethren put French/British liberals and their economies to shame! Conservative 22:56, 1 March 2014 (EST)

Laziest president ever

With the fecal material hitting the rotary air-moving device in Ukriane, we can all feel reassured that someone like Obama is watching over things for us. Oh no, wait a minute. It seems that Obama skipped the staff meeting held to discuss the situation. No doubt he had something more important to do. PeterKa 00:20, 2 March 2014 (EST)

What can Obama really do at this point? His domestic approval is at 40%. The NSA spying on Merkel's phone and Europe doesn't help his relations with European leaders. With his aloof and often proud and narcissistic personality, his treatment of foreign European leaders has often been poor and he hasn't taken the time to cultivate relationships with them.[17][18] So this means, he can't rally European support against Putin. In addition, Assad in Syria ignored Obama's "red line" with little to no consequences.
Furthermore, I am sure that Russia's foreign intelligence service is aware that Obama has little interest in foreign policy. Obama spends an inordinate amount of time showering gifts on his domestic base. And the middle class which is increasing being asked to pay for these gifts has soured on Obama.
Also, after the Iraq War and with the current Afghanistan War going on (which is now America's longest lasting war), Americans have little stomach for another intervention.
Putin, is an ex-KGB guy and he can sense weakness. And there is plenty of weakness for Putnin to sense in Obama and Obama is not holding a strong set of "foreign policy poker cards" at this point and Putnin knows this. Conservative 21:54, 2 March 2014 (EST)
Not only that, but Obama would never even think of bossing around Russian military forces like the U.S. used to do during the Cold War. Despite the success of cyberwarfare against Iran, now that he is safely reelected he is no longer in any mood for that. PeterKa 22:49, 2 March 2014 (EST)
Instead of focusing on things that they cannot change in the Ukraine (except through prayer), I think American conservatives should focus on stopping the U.S. federal government from repeatedly trampling on the U.S. Constitution. If Obama does not care about the rule of law and the people's wishes in the USA, why would he care about the human/political rights of the Ukrainians? Conservative 17:51, 3 March 2014 (EST)
By the way, I am glad Obama is on the lazy side. If he was a hard worker, he might have gotten more of his leftist agenda implemented.Conservative 19:04, 3 March 2014 (EST)
I doubt there is going to be another Cold War. It will just be a more competitive relationship as time goes on. Orthodox Christianity is not as aggressive as militant atheism. I think Russia is practicing a more authoritarian/corrupt version of America's Monroe Doctrine in the area surrounding Russia. I don't think America can count heavily on the Europeans as far as reigning in the Russians as they are dependent on Russian oil. Conservative 02:00, 4 March 2014 (EST)
It's hard to see how this story has a happy ending for Putin. He already had his hands full with Chechnya and Georgia. Ukraine is a lot bigger and its military is more formidable. They can build up and strike back when they are ready. PeterKa 09:34, 6 March 2014 (EST)

Putin's "Female Dog"

I re-worded the actual title currently linked to on MPR, but I have to wonder how that fits the definition of family friendly that this website strives for... EDIT: this would be the link I'm referring to: http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com/2014/03/04/news/world-news/putins-bitch/ Fnarrow 20:09, 4 March 2014 (EST)

That's not a link to this website, and it is not something that would offend families. Liberals, of course, may be offended for ideological reasons by it.--Andy Schlafly 20:50, 4 March 2014 (EST)
Sorry, didn't intend to make it seem as if it was a link TO this site, it is however a link FROM this website currently appearing near the top of the Main Page Right. I'm also not saying the sentiment of the article is wrong, I happen to agree with it as a matter of fact, just wanted to make sure you were aware of the language that it was using. Thank you for the quick reply. Fnarrow 21:27, 4 March 2014 (EST)

Hillary's "clueless" comment

While I would agree that 99% of comparisons made to Nazi Germany are inappropriate, this is one of the exceptions. Russia's rationale for actions in Ukraine, that a group of ethnic Russians is being mistreated by a foreign polity, is the same as Hitler's rationale for "liberating" the Germans in the Sudetenland. In addition, both Nazi Germany and contemporary Russia are in very similar positions in the international sphere-trying to find a place in the international landscape following humiliating defeats in WW1 and the Cold War, respectively. Do I, or likely Clinton, think Russia will even approach the atrocities committed by Nazi Germany? Of course not. But what's the point of studying history if you won't call a spade a spade? Georgebob 19:09, 6 March 2014 (EST)

All responsible nations act to protect their people who are oppressed or trapped in other countries. Ronald Reagan invaded Grenada for this reason. Israel has taken similar actions for similar reasons.--Andy Schlafly 19:28, 6 March 2014 (EST)
So to be clear, you are arguing that the annexation of the Sudetenland was the work of a responsible nation protecting oppressed people. EddyJ 20:51, 6 March 2014 (EST)

Hillary at 47 percent

I think this poll is a lot better for us than it might sound: 2016? Hillary Clinton 47%, Jeb Bush 33%. Hillary has 100 percent name recognition and her party is lined up behind her as if she was already the nominee. Yet the best she can do is 47 percent. Her numbers will not go up after she debates the Republican nominee, or after an ad campaign in which Benghazi survivors tell us what they really think of her. PeterKa 07:43, 7 March 2014 (EST)

Islam

What do you think about Islam? Is it a religion like each else or is it a regligion that teaches violence, like Pat Robertson once said?--JoeyJ 08:01, 8 March 2014 (EST)

I am not a fan of the Koran. For example, it teaches you can hit your wife (Sura 4:34).[19] Islam has a very poor track record when it comes to overall violence compared to Protestantism.[20][21] The secular religion of atheism has a worse track record than Islam when it comes to violence though. See: Atheism and mass murder and Atheism and sadism. Conservative 20:13, 8 March 2014 (EST)
So, should we rewrite the Islam-article?--JoeyJ 05:50, 9 March 2014 (EDT)

Mendacity or ignorance?

The article about an Atheist wiki is misleading. A simple visit to the site will show that a) the fundraiser has only been going since the 5th of March and b) as of 16.40 GMT on the 8th it has reached 30% of target.

Whether the QE editor wrote out of mendacity or out of ignorance, from a malicious standpoint or simple failure to properly research, his/her/their assertion contrasts starkly and unfavourably with reality.

Ya-boo-sucks is an undignified position for anyone, but ya-boo-sucks based on a glaring mistake / blatant lie is firmly in the liberal camp. Rafael 11:44, 8 March 2014 (EST)

It looks like Mr. Schlafly trimmed that and many other headlines by the same contributor. GregG 12:48, 8 March 2014 (EST)
I am not privy to all their winter fundraising activities as organizations do both online and offline fundraising. I also did not notice the March 5, 2014 date (Where is the March 5, 2014 date posted?). However, the data showing that atheists/agnostics give far less to charity is quite extensive. See: Atheism and uncharitableness. I am also not aware of the existence of any atheist hospitals. Next, atheists are often bragging about how they are so "bright" (see: Brights Movement). With all that alleged intellectual firepower, one would think they could meet a $6,000 fundraising goal in one day. :) See: Atheism and intelligence. Last time I checked, they are merely at 30% of their goal. I have a suggestion. Why don't they have a jog-a-thon to raise funds. I think Trent might get a lot out of it! See: Atheism and obesity. Conservative 19:31, 8 March 2014 (EST)
You have already attempted to bring this wiki into disrepute with this error on the main page and even now try to deflect attention from your own actions, which imho border on vandalism. As GregG points out, Andrew Schlafly has already had to clean up after you and based on your comment above it seems that you have every intention of reposting similar claptrap. If, as you suggest, your account has multiple users, I suspect that the quality people stopped using it a long time ago and left the account password on 4chan for the children to play with. You are given a lot of leeway here based, it seems to me, on past goodwill which a lesser admin than Mr Schlafly would have run out of by now. JamesWS 19:57, 8 March 2014 (EST) (and restored later after glitch JamesWS 15:29, 18 March 2014 (EDT) )

Student loan defaults

I can't help but be reminded of the CFPB's recent lawsuit against the for-profit school ITT which, according to Inside Higher Ed "accuses ITT of pressuring students into predatory loans and misleading consumers about their colleges' job placement rates, accreditation and the transferability of credits" and "alleges that the company developed a private loan program that coerced borrowers into high-interest loans that ITT knew were likely to fail and, by the company's own projection, had default rates as high as 64 percent." GregG 23:42, 9 March 2014 (EDT)

Girls' Generation

I wrote an article on this Asian pop sensation. Asia doesn't have America's cult of talent that has us led to Miley Cyrus and other such abominations. These are nine ordinary Christian Korean girls who spent three years in a music boot camp to learn how to be pop stars. Some of them are talented, others not so much. Talented or not, there are all enormously popular. Yet at the same time, any one of them could be replaced if she misbehaved. I once ate at a North Korean restaurant and showed my waitress a video of this band. She turned away like vampire seeing a cross: "No, I'm North Korean." That's right, I torment North Koreans with mindless pop music. PeterKa 09:57, 11 March 2014 (EDT)

You sound like a guy who's a lot of fun at parties. EddyJ 11:18, 11 March 2014 (EDT)
You don't understand. North Korea is sealed off from the modern world. Not many foreigners get a chance to talk to ordinary North Koreans. PeterKa 23:19, 11 March 2014 (EDT)

General Motors ad

Cadillac ad that libs don't like due to its anti-socialism message draws a whopping 72 signatures during the past month in a failed attempt to get GM to remove it.

As far as I could tell, the ad promoted hard work and short vacations, not anti-socialism. (You'll say that hard work and short vacations are anti-socialist, but the point of the video was clearly for meritocratic success, not a resounding attack on socialism.) And, to note, the video also extols NASA and is for an electric car, both of which liberals are less than hostile to. So why would any significant number of liberals care about this ad? They wouldn't; hence, they wouldn't want to take it down. I really fail to see that the change.org petition is a failure for liberalism, when there's no activism against the ad anyways. JSchwartz 17:03, 12 March 2014 (EDT)

Socialists support meritocracy? I had no idea. I thought the goal was supposed to be a "classless society." The real-world political objective is usually something less high minded: creating a dependency class that can be counted to vote the "right" way, and lavishing benefits on the civil service employee unions and other privilaged elites. In any case, the ad is a great takedown of Obamunism, including his opposition to American exceptionalism, his claim that small businessman can't take credit for whatever success their business might have, and the "one percent" stuff.
As there are no gas stations on the moon, the car on the moon is of course solar powered and electric. But electric powered vehicles are not mentioned specifically anywhere in the ad. PeterKa 05:00, 13 March 2014 (EDT)
JSwartz, since when have socialists/leftists/communists been known for being hard workers? European states without a cultural legacy of the Protestant work ethic are known for the budget deficits and lax work habits (Eurocrisis, etc.). Obama is known for his frequent golfing and vacations. In communist Russia, the people pretended to work and the government pretended to pay them. Hey mon, why does socialism have a tendency to spawn laziness? Conservative 02:40, 14 March 2014 (EDT)

British Woman-Dog Marriage

British woman married her dog.

Conservatives have warned for years not to mess with the sanctity of marriage between one man and one woman. Now it's a new world where any depravity is acceptable.

I fear that this is both an example of misleading vividness and a hasty generalization, as merely one woman has married her dog, rather than massive societal trends towards bestiality. Additionally, this does not appear to be linked in the rise of gay marriage in any way other than that both this marriage and increasing marriage liberality have occured recently, which would be correlation without necessarily causation. Lastly, she just married it -- she might not be going for "depravity". JSchwartz 17:11, 12 March 2014 (EDT)

JSchwartz, the depravity has already begun! She kissed the dog during the marriage ceremony![22] K-i-s-s-i-n-g. First comes love. Then comes marriage. Then comes?????!!!! See: Bestiality and Britain
Why is it you failed to mention the kiss during the ceremony? Liberals frequently engage in the fallacy of exclusion. Why are liberals so illogical? Conservative 20:10, 12 March 2014 (EDT)

Missing Malaysian plane

The latest is that the plane continued to fly for four to five hours after civilian radar lost track of it. The pilot must have switched off the transponder and took detour that wasn't in the flight plan. They're suggesting pilot suicide here and here. Does a Muslim pilot get 72 virgins if he takes a down a planeload of infidels with them? Al-Ahzar University should issue a fatwa clarifying this point. PeterKa 07:50, 13 March 2014 (EDT)

After the transponder was switched off, the airplane did a series of daredevil stunts. Must be every airline captain's fantasy: One day before I die I'm goin' switch off the com and the transponder, let it rip, and see what this sucker can really do... PeterKa 22:25, 14 March 2014 (EDT)
I guess it wasn't religion after all. An air disaster occurs that is apparently intentional, and why do we assume that it must be an Allah-crazed jihadist? It seems that the pilot was crazy in own special way: He was a secular Muslim obsessed with domestic Malaysian politics. He supported the opposition leader, who was sentenced recently after a show trial. He attended the trial and then went straight from there to the airport. PeterKa 21:00, 15 March 2014 (EDT)
Nine days and still still no communication from anyone on board, no ransom demands, and no terrorist group taking credit. The passengers are obviously no longer alive. The pilot must have ditched the plane somewhere on the "southern red arc" in the Indian Ocean west of Australia. PeterKa 23:22, 16 March 2014 (EDT)

Autoarchiving of MPR Proposal

The layout of the Main Page suffers from MPR being much longer than the left column. Realistically, the right column is much longer than any reasonable person would want to read anyway. CP would make a better impression on its readers if we limited MPR to 25 items. All items after 25 should be automatically archived. I believe that a simple bot should be able to perform such a task. If you don't want to use a bot, perhaps you could formally adopt the 25 item limit and place an instruction at the top of the MPR source code that you have to drop an item from the bottom every time you add one at the top. (I picked 25 items because that would make the two columns at about equal length. I doubt that any reader would want to read more than 25 items in one sitting.) Thanks, Wschact 18:01, 14 March 2014 (EDT)

American Seascapes

American Seascapes number one in Google among 920,000. --Joaquín Martínez 15:19, 16 March 2014 (EDT)

That's phenomenal, Joaquin!--Andy Schlafly 15:52, 16 March 2014 (EDT)
Joaqquin, many people are not aware that Google personalizes search results based on person's past search behavior or that there are many Google search engines/centers around the world.
For example, there is Google USA and Google Mexico.
Here are 9 ways to depersonalize your search results that I just found for you: http://www.searchenginepeople.com/blog/howto-depersonalize-google.html
Also, if you use Google Chrome or Firefox, here is a tool I found for you to depersonalize your search results plus see how you are ranking around the world for your various articles: http://www.redflymarketing.com/internet-marketing-tools/google-global/
Next, if you use Windows as an operating system, here is an easy way to clear your internet cache: https://www.piriform.com/ccleaner
I hope this information is helpful to you. Conservative 18:23, 16 March 2014 (EDT)
Fine... thank you! --Joaquín Martínez 19:28, 16 March 2014 (EDT)
Glad I could be of help. Conservative 21:15, 16 March 2014 (EDT)
Just as easy to use the incognito tab in chrome. SMortlach 19:46, 18 March 2014 (EDT)
The incognito window has to do with cookies and history. You'll still get results tailored to your location. PeterKa 22:38, 20 March 2014 (EDT)

Big Bang Theory given new evidence

Surprised you all haven't taken the time to try and disprove this one yet: http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/17/tech/innovation/big-bang-gravitational-waves/ FernandoTorez 21:33, 18 March 2014 (EDT)

And why should we? Where's the evidence? Their theory still stands as nothing got together by chance and exploded by chance, sending bits of itself in all directions where some bits got back together by chance and made dinosaurs. Did they get absolute proof that their theory is correct; did they go back in time by piling into their DeLorean and flipping on the flux-capacitor, or is it another case of us having to assume it's correct because they said so? Karajou 00:23, 19 March 2014 (EDT)
Why not contact Dr. Jason Lisle at the Institute of Creation Research (ICR) about other possible explanations and/or the implications of the find? ICR contact information is at: http://www.icr.org/contact/ Conservative 00:46, 19 March 2014 (EDT)
Other possible explanations? The find? You are implying that there is something here for which an explanation is needed, thus lending validity to the only so far proposed explanation which fits i.e. the inflation nonsense, and all of the Relativistic implications that come with it. As Karajou said, this is not the case. It almost looks like you are trying to subtly plant doubts on this wiki right under everyone's noses. I am more certain than ever that the quality users of the Conservative account are long gone, yet the remaining cretins retain the original status and account privileges. JamesWS 13:44, 19 March 2014 (EDT)
For outside people looking in on this conversation: I'm conservative and I believe scientists when they say the Big Bang theory has tons of evidence backing it up. To people on this site: you're sending the wrong impression to people about what conservatism is and it's quite frankly embarrassing. --Kennywillis 18:32, 19 March 2014 (EDT)
The announcements about the Big Bang "discovery" are purely liberal claptrap. No gravitational waves were observed. To the extent the universe has expanded faster than the speed of light, that undermines the Theory of Relativity (though liberals try to make excuses for the inconsistency).--Andy Schlafly 18:44, 19 March 2014 (EDT)
That you can say this with a straight face demonstrates you have no actual understanding of what relativity is or how it works. In this perspective, you're the liberal making clap trap. Be honest or be quiet.
First, space can and does expand faster than light, and certain galaxies now are expanding faster than light. Second, peer review is quite a rigorous process. Third, I don't want to come off as rude but I don't know how well I'll be able to convince someone who has for all intents and purposes already made up their mind. --Kennywillis 18:56, 19 March 2014 (EDT)
First, peer-reviewed stuff can still be completely wrong, as this[23] bit of recent news indicates; and second, we already see that you, Kennywillis - for all intents and purposes - have already made up your own mind. Karajou 19:01, 19 March 2014 (EDT)
I'm sorry, I've just never seen such a blatant rejection of widely-accepted science before. I'll stay out of this from now on, as you are right in observing that I do have a bias here. --Kennywillis 19:07, 19 March 2014 (EDT)
Liberals don't even permit discussion and debate, so their "peer review" is by definition a joke. There is a long list of liberal sacred cows that cannot even be questioned in a scientific paper, or else it will be automatically rejected.--Andy Schlafly 19:11, 19 March 2014 (EDT)
You just sound like a bitter failure. Conservatives have more stout resolution and temperament than that.

Ukraine vs Russia

Ukraine is easily the more church-going and Christian of the two countries, according to this article. PeterKa 22:32, 20 March 2014 (EDT)

That may be true, but the new Ukrainian leadership apparently wanted to join the EU, which is markedly pro-homosexual agenda and hostile to Christian values. Crimea avoided the imposition of same-sex marriage on it by joining Russia.--Andy Schlafly 23:50, 20 March 2014 (EDT)
I would like to mention that only Russia and Venezuela do recognize Crimea as a part of Russia.--JoeyJ 08:13, 21 March 2014 (EDT)
It's true that many European societies are liberal, but the EU doesn't impose anything. Look at Italy. No gay marriage. No gay adoption. No civil unions. If Ukraine ever joins the EU, they would have no need to violate any moral principles their population holds. MelH
Interesting fact about Italy, but EU courts will inevitably push same-sex marriage on all EU countries. Fortunately, Russia doesn't take orders from the liberals running the EU.--Andy Schlafly 00:08, 22 March 2014 (EDT)
By that time, the party could be over. Milton Friedman predicted the collapse of the Euro. In the end, basic economics wins. How many times can they bail out Greece? PeterKa 00:54, 23 March 2014 (EDT)
Putin took a gamble that The West would do nothing beyond harsh rhetoric and it payed off, and even the talk was not that hard. Playing hawk I would offer The Ukraine fast track NATO membership and then see how Russia behaves. However Obama and The EU leadership are either too weak or too frightened to do anything. To borrow a phrase off Conservative they "Lack Machismo". --JerryCa 20:30, 23 March 2014 (EDT)
The first step is to evict the Russian delegation from NATO headquaters. PeterKa 22:27, 24 March 2014 (EDT)

College Financing

The main page right item, "Liberal claptrap and Worst College Majors are pushing universities themselves toward insolvency; the University of California is downgraded on its $14.5 billion in debt by Moody's." needs some more thought. I read the Forbes item which discusses a shift from special purpose bonds to general revenue bonds that are guaranteed in part by future tuition revenue streams. Cal Berkeley is going to save over $1 billion in interest payments by refinancing out of special purpose debt. This seems like a smart move to me that has nothing to do with insolvency. The school has a $3.3 billion endowment and an annual budget (in 2006-07) of $1.7 billion, so it can easily support that level of debt.

On the general question, colleges, particularly large research university, will continue to invest in new buildings and infrastructure. In the past, state universities, like UC Berkeley could count on state appropriations or federal grants to fund such construction. With tightening government budgets, colleges will have to gain donations or borrow to fund further construction. Does that mean that new modern laboratories, teaching hospitals, and parking lots should not be built if needed? No, and even conservatives like Ronald Reagan advocated the wisdom of making such investments. The University of California Board of Regents (and similar Board at many other institutions) have a long-term track record of making conservative business judgments on the need for each such project and the associated financing plan. CP can justifiably warn students against unwise college majors, but that argument cannot be extended to attack efforts to lower borrowing costs or plans to take on a reasonable level of debt to build needed facilities. Thanks. Wschact 08:16, 21 March 2014 (EDT)

You raise interesting issues that require further discussion. I plan on posting a substantive response tomorrow.--Andy Schlafly 00:28, 22 March 2014 (EDT)
Ronald Reagan became a conservative more in his later years, as president. Much of the spending by universities has very little real value.--Andy Schlafly 00:13, 23 March 2014 (EDT)
Yes, Ronald Reagan's views did evolve over time, and everyone is free to shift positions as facts and circumstances change. However, there are four basic problems in dealing with the University of California matter: First, one of Ronald Reagan's most controversial acts as Governor was to charge tuition to attend U of C for the first time. Prior to Reagan, it was tuition-free. Conservatives, having created that stream of revenue, should not object to deploying it for capital expenditures. Second, although CP may correctly claim that there are many more liberal students and faculty at UC Berkeley than conservative students and faculty, the opposite is true about the people on its governing board. As you note, people become more conservative in their later years, and a liberal student may learn enough during his successful business career to become a conservative Regent. Third, conservatives generally have viewed off-balance sheet financing with great suspicion (look at the Enron collapse), so ending special-purpose financing arrangement while saving on interest expenses in the process is something CP should praise rather than condemn. Finally, some alumni (across the liberal-conservative spectrum) go a bit overboard on college athletics spending. T. Boone Pickens is unquestionably a conservative with excellent business judgment. He donated $265 million to Oklahoma State University athletics and the program still had to be bailed out when fundraising did not meet projections. The Berkeley football stadium was also a bad investment based on unrealized fundraising projections. Something about athletic competition leads a variety of schools to overestimate how much money will be donated to support sports programs. CP should not generalize about all college expenditures based on bad decisions about football facilities. These ideas are important and should be treated in the various CP articles, rather than in the current main page right item. Thanks. Wschact 13:32, 23 March 2014 (EDT)

"A minimum of a five-seat GOP gain is nearly certain."

This text on MPR is not supported by the Nate Silver article linked. Could you please correct it? Thanks, GregG 22:04, 23 March 2014 (EDT)

Taiwan

Taiwan is not in the news much, so I'd thought I'd comment on the recent uproar. The government has evicted student protesters organized by the Dumb Protesters' Party (DPP) from the cabinet offices.[24] One of them broke into the generator room and got a high voltage shock, so I do mean dumb. They are still occupying the parliament building, not to mention clogging up all the streets around where I live. They are supposedly protesting the Cross-Strait Service Trade Agreement. This is a trade and investment agreement between China and Taiwan of the kind many countries have with each other.[25] I suspect every American state has policies encouraging investment by whoever wants to invest, and I never heard of anyone protesting them. ("Please don't invest in our state!") Yes, the DPP is also pushing "marriage equality." PeterKa 22:59, 24 March 2014 (EDT)

Some help

Please.

convert: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable. Several pics with the same problem. --Joaquín Martínez 23:04, 24 March 2014 (EDT)

Writing failure

Currently on the Main Page 'In the News' section:

"Barack Obama’s More Miss America Contestant Than World Leader on Russia.[6] Also, Putin and Providence.[7]"

Now see here there's some really not such good sentence punctuation and/or structuring you did goin' on right there yes. Also, Capitalization. CescF 17:13, 31 March 2014 (EDT)

Pick up any newspaper and you will see similar headlines. You might also review this: double standard.--Andy Schlafly 17:41, 31 March 2014 (EDT)

Scotland driving on the right -- Schalfly falls for an April Fool's joke.

"No joke"? Really? Lines like "horsemeat in haggis," "conscious uncoupling" and changing the green traffic lights to blue ones should have tipped you off, Schlafly. EddyJ 13:12, 1 April 2014 (EDT)

Clearly, Mr Schlafly knew it was a joke all along, and was joining in. There is always somebody trying to paint the site admin in a bad light. JamesWS 18:16, 1 April 2014 (EDT)

fixing your internet service.

Hi. I am using my phone right now, but can you please try to fix whatever is going on with your internet router? My phone is pretty much the only place I can access your site, with neither my computer nor my tablet being able to access the site. When scanning my internet connection to see why it was no accessible, tge scan indicated a problem on your end. Pokeria1 10:59, 2 April 2014 (EDT)

Front-page story re: ultrasounds and autism.

Does this mean that mandatory ultrasounds for women contemplating an abortion should be halted? EddyJ 11:52, 3 April 2014 (EDT)

The Daily Beast, citing citing notable medical journals, seems to think that the cost/benefit ratio for most fetal ultrasounds is dubious and that the benefits do not outweigh the potential risks.[26] Also, much to the chagrin of evolutionists, The Daily Beast admitted that 2013 was a terrible year for Darwinism.[27] Conservative 14:32, 7 April 2014 (EDT)
Unfortunately, we have to continue the mandatory ultrasounds for women contemplating an abortion, as there is no other way to demonstrate to them that the fetus is more than a cluster of cells and is actually alive. Sure, it may mean more autistics, possibly those more severely affected than myself, but it's a risk I'm willing to take to prove fetuses aren't merely clumps of cells that aren't alive, as long as Roe v. Wade is the law of the land. After Roe v. Wade is overturned, though, only then should we halt the mandatory ultrasounds, since at least then abortions will be made illegal. Pokeria1 22:41, 12 April 2014 (EDT)

Captain America

Captain America: The Winter Soldier is the biggest movie of the year? Well, it's my favorite movie of 2014 thus far and a definite blockbuster, but there's no way it can be called the "biggest" when it's made less than half the box office of The Lego Movie. Even 2013's Frozen has made more money in 2014 thus far than Captain America.---Eg

Letterman packing it in

So Colbert's replacing Letterman...I think this is perfect. Colbert is more universal, Letterman is an old, washed up political hack. --Kennywillis 18:53, 10 April 2014 (EDT)

Colbert gave Andy and CP a lot of free publicity on the Colbert Report. I hope that Colbert will invite Andy back as a guest after he switches networks. I think that CP will get a better reception from the demographics of the Late Show than from the Colbert Report. I think that Letterman has made fun of both sides of the political spectrum. I can't tell if he is conservative or something else. Wschact 02:05, 12 April 2014 (EDT)

Shoe throwing politics

The main page says, "George W. Bush didn't flinch when a shoe was thrown at him! Hillary is not fit to be in the Oval Office in 2017!" It is true that Hillary Clinton jerked away from a shoe that was sailing past her head. However, the episode caused the networks to rebroadcast the press conference where a man threw two shoes at George W. Bush. Bush did duck, so I think the current main page right item is not accurate (and pointless.) Please delete it. Thanks, Wschact 02:05, 12 April 2014 (EDT)

Despite having dodged sniper fire in Sarajevo, she apparently has no sports reflexes. Sadly, the shoe-thrower isn't avenging Benghazi;She is just a nutjob. PeterKa 06:31, 12 April 2014 (EDT)
One difference is the press conference room where two shoes were thrown at George W Bush was well lit. The audience area of the auditoriium where Clinton's shoe-thrower was standing had dimmed lighting with bright lights shining on Clinton's stage. Clinton told the audience that she played softball while growing up, while Bush was a varsity cheerleader at Phillips Academy and Yale. [28] So, it is not clear which is a natural athlete. I will not pick my Presidential candidate based on shoe-throws, because I see more important policy concerns. Wschact 07:12, 12 April 2014 (EDT)
I elaborated on the main page right about Hillary/shoes incidents. I changed the words to "fearfully cringing" because it is a more apt description than "majorly flinching". She may have thought the shoe was a bat given her words after the shoe flew by her.
Well, at least she didn't curl up in a ball and start crying! And she did do a little tough talk towards the shoe thrower after she fearfully cringed, but by then it was too late. After you fearfully cringe in public, it shows you are not unflappable during a crisis (like Benghazi)!
By the way, given the various crises around the world, the United States needs a leader who can play both softball and hardball. :)
Lastly, both Bush/Hillary are both weak. But Hillary is even weaker than Bush was. The United States needs a leader like George Washington right now. George Washington, Douglass MacArthur and Israeli military officers believed in leading from the front in battle. They did not flinch when bullets or shoes flew by them! Conservative 09:53, 13 April 2014 (EDT)
Putting aside politics for one moment, Hillary Clinton is a 66 year old woman, not very old by today's standards but by no means young. You seem to expect her to react like a 30 year old in her prime. I condemn anybody who physically attacks an aging citizen and I would expect any decent person to do likewise. --JerryCa 11:26, 13 April 2014 (EDT)
JerryCA, feeble rebuttal. We both know that elder stateswoman Margaret "Iron lady" Thatcher would never have cowardly cringed due to a shoe thrower. Phyllis Schlafly would not cower before a shoe thrower either. Hillary is weak! The Benghazi and shoe thrower incidents both showed this. Conservative 11:37, 13 April 2014 (EDT)
Nice tactic to get Andy on your side Conservative.--JerryCa 12:06, 13 April 2014 (EDT)
古之所善戰者,勝於易勝者也。 Conservative 14:26, 13 April 2014 (EDT)
如果有戰爭,你會隱藏堅不可摧的盔甲後面,就像你做這個網站。--JerryCa 14:40, 13 April 2014 (EDT)

Heartbleed vulnerability

Sometimes when I try to save page edits I get an error message page instead of the updated page. The error message page discusses an internal server error and makes reference to OpenSSL. Is Conservapedia vulnerable to the Heartbleed attack? [29] Have our system operators taken steps to patch against this form of cyberattack? What can we do to make CP more stable so that it does not display various error messages? Thanks, Wschact 07:21, 12 April 2014 (EDT)

The WMF has declared Wikipedia to have been vulnerable to the Heartbleed attack, so I would assume that CP has been as well. Do we advise everyone to change their passwords? Thanks Wschact 06:00, 13 April 2014 (EDT)
I can respect that CP management may not wish to share detailed information about every security measure taken to protect our website. However, given the press coverage and the statement made at Wikipedia about their website (which runs on identical software) it is vital to inform all users regarding whether we should change our passwords or take other measures. Thanks. Wschact 06:23, 14 April 2014 (EDT)
I think Andy is working on a legal challenge to ObamaCare so that is why you did not receive a prompt reply. Conservative 18:44, 14 April 2014 (EDT)
The server error message indicates that the version of OpenSSL currently running is 0.98e. Based on my research, this version is too old to be subject to Heartbleed (it does not have the heartbeat feature whose improper coding was the basis of the Heartbleed exploit). I understand Mr. Schlafly is very busy, but it might behoove him to update the software on the server, especially MediaWiki and OpenSSL. GregG 18:49, 14 April 2014 (EDT)

Many thanks. I understand that people have jobs and lives, and I meant no disrespect. I still suggest that we keep everyone posted because CP needs credibility as a safe-to-visit website if it is to remain a vibrant wiki that fulfills its mission. Wschact 18:53, 16 April 2014 (EDT)

Is there an update on the security issue? Even healthcare.gov has reset every user's password because of Heartbleed concerns. Thanks, Wschact 05:26, 24 April 2014 (EDT)

"Obama Administration's IRS is Going After Taxpayers for Their Parents’ Decades-Old Debts."

It looks like the headline is already outdated. GregG 21:17, 14 April 2014 (EDT)

Not "outdated", but stopped only because of negative publicity about it.--Andy Schlafly 22:26, 14 April 2014 (EDT)

Obamacare polls

Americans now oppose Obamacare by a 12.5 point margin, back to where things were in February before all the deadline excitement.[30] So much for the idea that releasing bogus numbers makes people want to buy more expensive insurance. PeterKa 08:47, 17 April 2014 (EDT)

American Study

This study criticizes people's pre-concieved views about athiesm, it does not criticize atheism. It is in fact criticizing the views you hold. It is good that you are posting impartial or opposing articles though.--JerryCa 19:28, 17 April 2014 (EDT)

JerryCa, you misspelled the word atheism at the beginning of your post. Second, see Atheism and mass murder and Atheism and morality and Atheism and deception Conservative 22:35, 17 April 2014 (EDT)
What's neat about the study is that its construction demonstrates that people (including atheists) have a predisposition to assume immorality in atheists even in circumstances when that predisposition is categorically irrational. This tells us nothing about the actual morality of atheists, but does give a warning to be aware of our own prejudices as well as those of the author when reading articles such as those listed above. (Also, you missed the fact that Jerry misspelled 'pre-conceived' too.)--DHouser 12:33, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
Atheistic communist regimes were responsible for about 110,000,000 people being murdered or callously/recklessly starved in the 20th century and we know that atheists in America give far less to charity than theists. (see: Atheism and mass murder and Atheism and uncharitableness).
Also, social scientists asked Americans how much they would trust atheists to be in pet cemeteries and not engage in any unseemly behavior!!!![31] And it turns out that Americans would not be surprised if atheists engage in unseemly behavior in pet cemeteries!!!! See also: Atheists and inappropriate behavior towards animals
Atheists definitely have a reputation for being evil.Conservative 02:09, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
I'm not sure what you're adding here, Conservative. The link you have regarding pet cemeteries is to the exact same study that is under discussion; one which demonstrates irrational mistrust of atheists. Whilst your other links do give good one-off examples of an extreme case of this prejudice, I think the study itself is more scientifically formulated. --DHouser 10:18, 21 April 2014 (EDT)

DHouser, if you want to show us that atheists are trustworthy, just give us proof and evidence that atheism is true or alternatively show us one atheist hospital that has been built. Conservative 13:12, 21 April 2014 (EDT)

Feofaniya Hospital - built under the Soviet regime in the 1960s [32]. Gosh that was easy - though stunningly irrelevant to the topic under discussion. --DHouser 13:47, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
DHouser, according to the atheist Daniel Dennett and the atheist/agnostic flip-flopper Richard Dawkins and other atheist apologists, atheist atrocities do not count as atheist atrocities unless they unequivocally were done in the name of atheism (despite the fact that Marxist-Leninism was explicitly atheistic).[33][34] So by "atheist logic", you need to show that the hospitals were built in the name of atheism. Like First Atheism Hospital of the Soviet Union etc.
Furthermore, since Vladmir Putin was in the KGB in the Soviet Union era, and is an now an avowed Orthodox Christian, you need to show that the hospital was built by bona fide atheists and not merely atheist poseurs. See: Denials that atheists exist Conservative 16:29, 21 April 2014 (EDT)

Addendum, re: atheist poseurs in the Soviet Union:

"Under communism, the Russian religious landscape consisted mainly of two competitors—a severely repressed Russian Orthodox Church and a heavily promoted atheist alternative to religion called “scientific atheism.” Under these circumstances, one might expect the rapid spread of religious disbelief, but the intensity of the atheist campaign originated from official mandate and not popular appeal. In turn, scientific atheism never inspired the Russian population and grew increasingly uninspired as Soviet officials created a monopoly “church” of scientific atheism in hopes of replacing persistent religious beliefs and practices. This article is dedicated to explaining why Communists could not successfully convert the masses to atheism. The findings provide evidence that systems of belief require more than simply the power of promotion and coercion to become accepted....

The failure of scientific atheism in Russia is interesting because it had every advantage. First, the Soviet government generously financed atheists while brutally suppressing religious advocates. For this reason, scientific atheism should be considered the equivalent of a religious monopoly. Second, scientific atheism was promoted throughout Soviet Russia in schools, work- places,andthecommunity.Finally,scientificatheismofferedrituals,ceremonies,andthepromise of a utopian society as a direct alternative to religious offerings.

The most generous estimates of atheistic belief show that less than one-quarter of Russians were atheists and this number dramatically drops to around 5 percent of the population after the fall of communism. In other words, scientific atheism was surprisingly unsuccessful when one considers all its competitive advantages."[35] Conservative 16:37, 21 April 2014 (EDT)

You shoot yourself in the foot with the hospital argument. If you say it can't be proved that a Soviet hospital was built in the name of atheism then you cannot prove that Soviet genocide was committed in the name of atheism. This makes your Atheism and mass murder article invalid if applying your own logic.--JerryCa 16:53, 21 April 2014 (EDT)

I never said I adhere to "atheist apologists logic". Back to the drawing board! By the way, good luck showing that it was atheists who built that hospital by the way and not merely atheist poseurs! No true skeptic will believe that atheists built that hospital until you prove it. Conservative 19:03, 21 April 2014 (EDT)

All this over a post that criticized peoples pre conceived stereotypical views on atheism. A post that you have proven to be true. You don't just seem to be anti atheism, you have a pathological hatred of it. Us Christians are not supposed to hate, we are supposed to educate, not take the michael with childish slurs such as fatso, limp wristed or sissy boy. I do not recognize your style, ideas or bigotry as Christian. Sorry.--JerryCa 19:25, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
JerryCa, after: 1) the New Atheism flopped 2) the atheist community developed a post Elevatorgate schism 3) I found out the demographic likely future of atheism, atheism has a much lower priority to me. It is a rather feeble force at this juncture and I expect it to become even more feeble. Next, the Apostle Paul said to abhor/hate what is evil and cling to what is good (Romans 12:9). Your knowledge of Scripture is quite poor. Conservative 05:06, 22 April 2014 (EDT)

One thing I don't understand, Conservative, is why you suppose atheists wouldn't build hospitals. Atheists get sick too, and so it would be a matter of self-preservation. Moreover in communist countries hospitals are needed to maintain a functioning workforce/army; in capitalist ones there can be a profit to be made from hospitals. Why would amoral atheists not act in their own self interest? --DHouser 10:04, 22 April 2014 (EDT)

I don't agree with Vox Day on everything, but I do agree with him that atheist apologists are generally very poor when it comes to historical analysis. History teaches me that state atheism produces inferior outcomes. According to http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/, written by a man who personally experienced being in Russia when the Soviet Union collapsed, there was a period during the Soviet Union's collapse, when people could not even get insulin.
The Soviet Union put some Christians in psychiatric hospitals merely for being Christians.[36]
The Soviet Union and its post collapsed era produced a lot of alcoholics. See: Atheism and alcoholism.
Next, I agree with Vox Day that it is a good tactic with atheist apologists to require them to prove their claims. If you insist that atheists built a hospital in the Soviet Union, then prove it. This is perfectly reasonable since atheists commonly claim that no claim should be believed unless it has sufficient evidence. Given the rapid resurgence of religion in the former Soviet Union area and Russia, it does seem credible that atheists were in the minority in the Soviet Union (and I would include Russian atheism in the former Soviet Union in terms of this statement). And if Vladmir Putin was ever an atheist, it just goes to show you how fragile Soviet atheism was as Putin is now an avowed Russian Orthodox Christian (He did formerly serve in the KGB during the Soviet era).
Lastly, at this time, the religion of atheism bores me. It is about as exciting to me as the religion of Baal worship. And I don't find the topic of Baal worship interesting. I also have more important priorities to attend to, so you will have to discuss atheism with someone else. Conservative 12:52, 22 April 2014 (EDT)

Can anyone else out there fathom how Conservative's post answers my question?--DHouser 13:09, 22 April 2014 (EDT)

Conservative wrote "Lastly, at this time, the religion of atheism bores me." Ha, nobody I am aware of anywhere is more obsessed with atheism than you. You must have written tens, if not hundreds of thousand of words on atheism, a good percentage of them about how it is a religion. You also point out that the transition of Russia from a communist atheist to a capitalist Christian nation has had a negative effect on their peoples health. Also these atheist bestiality ridden countries like Germany and Sweden have first class health services who don't turn away patients who can't afford it.--JerryCa 13:41, 22 April 2014 (EDT)

DHouser, it was a foolish question. For example, an alleged "amoral atheist" who rails against moral absolutes is usually the first to scream bloody murder with moral indignation if harm is committed against him/her (see: Atheist hypocrisy).

Second, Soviet atheists repeatedly acted against their self-interest and the drunken/alcoholic atheists in the former Soviet Union are testimony to this fact. Leonid Brezhnev was a atheist/communist dictator in the former Soviet Union and a picture of an overweight Leonid Brezhnev can be found HERE. Brezhnev had a "stroke in March 1982 and died of a heart attack in November".[37] Brezhnev chose an unhealthy lifestyle and acted against his self-interest.

Why don't you just prove your claim that atheists built a hospital in the former Soviet Union. Unless of course, you cannot! Conservative 15:25, 22 April 2014 (EDT)

JerryCa, YouTube's biggest channel run by an atheist is the AmazingAtheist channel. He no longer focuses on atheism on his channel as it is too boring. Atheism is boring and atheist apologists are boring.
"Among the repulsions of atheism for me has been its drastic un-interestingness as an intellectual position. Where was the ingenuity, the ambiguity, the humanity of saying that the universe just happened to happen and that when we're dead we're dead?" - John Updike Conservative 15:44, 22 April 2014 (EDT)
Fine. I will take that to mean that you will no longer be posting articles on atheism.--JerryCa 15:54, 22 April 2014 (EDT)

Can anyone else out there fathom how Conservative's post answers my question?--DHouser 17:11, 22 April 2014 (EDT)

JerryCa, many accountants do boring accounting tasks day after day. Should the cost/benefit ratio change for me, it is possible that I could create content related to the boring topic of atheism if I think it is useful. Right now, the atheist community appears to be very divided and on a path to implosion. See: Atheist factions and decline of atheism. I suppose it is possible that I could post content on atheism if I thought it could help implode atheism faster. Time will tell. Conservative 17:21, 22 April 2014 (EDT)

Second hand mendacity and due diligence

The link about Jews having to register in Ukraine is misleading. It's not official policy; the story is based on fliers handed out by far right extremists.

If you can't speak to a real Ukrainian, a few minutes research online will get you the details.

Once again, this shows the shortcoming of using blogs, tabloids and satire sites like Tea Party Crusaders as a source. I intend to put together a Research Methods 101 type entry on validating sources sometime soon. Rafael 02:36, 18 April 2014 (EDT)

Darwinist and atheist communities

How is this post, under any definition, news?--JerryCa 11:24, 19 April 2014 (EDT)

Present your criteria for what is news and fully defend it.Conservative 17:27, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
I'll bite. News is "matter that is newsworthy"; newsworthy means "sufficiently interesting to the general public to warrant reporting (as in a newspaper)". My source is Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, copyright 1973. GregG 17:48, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
News is not an article that is a rinse-repeat of numerous other posts citing years old articles from the same blog and the same author. If a anti-evolution booklet is drafted or printed that would perhaps be news. As it is it is a little more than clog. The last few stories apart from yours are news. Setback to pro death abortionists, the basic right of one man to farm and earn a living, a top official taking bribes, troops being sent into Poland. All of these stories are news worthy, an atheist website losing a few views is not.--JerryCa 18:05, 19 April 2014 (EDT)

JerryCa, you still didn't give your criteria for what news is and fully defend it. You also didn't support your contention related to the "losing of a few views". Feel free to engage in last wordism, now that you demonstrated that you are unable to support your claims.

By the way, even without global creationism stepping up its outreach and without significant increased economic problems in the world (which tends to increase theism and lower atheism), it is expected that by 2025 there will be about 300,000,000 more self-identified Christians in the world and 3,000,000 less atheists in the world.[38] In an age of globalization, this is bad news for militant atheists, isn't it? And quite newsworthy I would add!Conservative 19:29, 19 April 2014 (EDT)

Yep, that's news.--JerryCa 21:14, 19 April 2014 (EDT)

Conservative has the last word on Last Wordism MickeyD 12:29, 23 April 2014 (EDT)

Easter message

Could Andy or another admin please move this message to the top slot. It is a wonderful message that is far more important than the articles that follow. Thanks.--JerryCa 21:07, 20 April 2014 (EDT)

Wonderful to be here, well wishes for all of the people here. EddyLyle 21:46, 20 April 2014 (EDT)

Let me also add Happy Easter wishes to all here at CP. (I would have done so yesterday, but I kept my computer turned off to focus on the day.) Wschact 08:16, 21 April 2014 (EDT)

"support for drone strikes mean't to kill anyone at the Bundy Ranch"

The apostrophe in this text on MPR is superfluous. GregG 21:44, 21 April 2014 (EDT)

It would appear that a misplaced apostrophe is the least of the problems in the Cliven Bundy story. EddyJ 19:22, 24 April 2014 (EDT)

Veterans

Thanks for posting this story. The way most, if not all nations treat their veterans is shocking. An awful lot of ex forces are homeless, in prison for minor to moderate crimes or suffering from mental health problems, the majority of which could be prevented with proper care. It is worse under liberal governments but still happens with conservative administrations. Most forces men join up at 18-20, serve for a decade and are then dumped on a society that shuns them and who have little idea how to survive. No wonder they are troubled. In my (not personal) experience more help is given to ex cons than to ex servicemen. It's a disgrace.--JerryCa 19:27, 24 April 2014 (EDT)

WP is deleting a British creationist

Andrew Macintosh is a British creationist whose article on Wikipedia is up for deletion. Are creationist articles on WP good publicity or troll-bait? Either way, only three people have weighed in so far. So your vote counts. PeterKa 02:18, 27 April 2014 (EDT)

Create a Andrew Macintosh article. The Conservapedia militant atheism article was created due to Wikipedia censorship and it has over 60,000 page views already.
Of course, this is a small drop in the bucket compared to what internet atheism will face in coming years from internet Christendom.
Atheists/evolutionists may be able to put their finger in the Wikipedia Andrew Macintosh dike, but they are unprepared for the wave of internet Christianity/creationism heading their way. Conservative 21:42, 28 April 2014 (EDT)


British students forced to pray to Allah

The MPR article links to a blog of dubious provenance which links to another blog that links to another blog that links to a MSM news article from 2008 saying that the matter was under investigation. Is this the best use of "News the MSM isn't covering"?

Cutting and pasting isn't writing, isn't editing, isn't communicating....it's publishing without due diligence. Again. Rafael 13:24, 4 May 2014 (EDT)

2008 - The Telegraph - Schoolboys disciplined for 'refusing to pray to Allah' and 2010 - European Union Times - Schoolboys punished with detention for refusing to kneel in class and pray to Allah. Conservative 18:49, 4 May 2014 (EDT)
Thanks for the supporting evidence, Conservative. As everyone can see, the original source was a six year old article in the Telegraph and all the other, tertiary, sources - including the Pravda-funded European Union Times - simply repeat the story over the years, often word for word, with no mention of the outcome or even if the story was proven. Rafael 10:37, 5 May 2014 (EDT)

I removed the article from the main page due to the timeliness/news issue. Conservative 15:15, 5 May 2014 (EDT)

"There is a lot of dead bodies surrounding the Clinton's scandals."

The apostrophe should go after the s in Clintons, as ownership is attributed to both Bill and Hillary. GregG 08:51, 6 May 2014 (EDT)

Thanks for catching that. Just carelessness on my part. Worked late on a project to assist someone so a little tired and error prone. Conservative 10:22, 6 May 2014 (EDT)
There ARE a lot of dead bodies...plural. EddyJ 10:44, 6 May 2014 (EDT)
Perhaps you should have left this task to one of the other users of the Conservative account while you got some rest. By the way I don't know what I did to get blocked by Conservative this time. According to the block log I seem to have made the old its/it's mix-up but I can't see where I did that. A block for a stray apostrophe seems a little harsh. JamesWS 17:14, 6 May 2014 (EDT)

ESC promotes gay agenda

The winner of Eurovision Song Contest 2014 is a transsexual Austrian. [39] A russian politician has called the winner a "pevert".--JoeyJ 06:53, 11 May 2014 (EDT)

Mother's Day, the Christian connection and due diligence (again)

The MPR article links to a creation.com article which is way off the mark. Mothering Sunday is the fourth Sunday in Lent, a Catholic tradition from the Renaissance, the day lost sheep are welcomed back to the fold. Mother's Day is still celebrated on the fourth Sunday in Lent in the UK.

The idea that the Church of England introduced a Marian feast in the seventeenth century is bizarre. The Church of England, even the High Church, has steered clear of Marianism like the plague. That it should do so within living memory of the English reformation, in the century that saw the rise of Puritanism, two wars of religion and an eleven year long Puritan republic in England, the century that saw King Charles I beheaded by a Puritan parliament and King James II deposed by a Dutch prince who crushed Catholicism in Britain, suggests someone is writing without researching.

Unsurprisingly, the creation.com article does not give any sources.

MPR is a wonderful thing but please, please, please can we have some quality control? Rafael 13:26, 12 May 2014 (EDT)

Rafael, see the reader's comment section at the end of the article which mentions the revision to the article. Conservative 16:48, 12 May 2014 (EDT)
Thanks Conservative. Chris K put it beautifully and I stand corrected.Rafael 17:36, 13 May 2014 (EDT)

"Big primaries in a half-dozen states today: will conservatives be chosen for the runoff in Georgia for the U.S. Senate seat? "

No. No they will not. Looks like the GOP establishment has figured out that the Tea Party is a losing ticket. EddyJ 14:26, 22 May 2014 (EDT)