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Non-citizens voting

The town of College Park, Maryland, voted to allow non-citizens to vote in its upcoming municipal elections. This is yet another step down the slippery slope of globalism. Most, if not all, liberals think that the concept of nation states with immigration controls, and criteria for citizenship besides living in the state, are outdated. Thus, they push for no border/immigration controls and blurring the line between citizens and non-citizens, and they support mass migration, which reduces national unity and completely changes society (making it ripe for more extreme realizations of globalism). Bottom line: what is happening in this town will happen more and more frequently all across the U.S. --1990'sguy (talk) 09:15, 13 September 2017 (EDT)

It is a college town. Foreign students pay higher tuition fees. Academia is liberal too. It would not surprise me if the university staff in College Park, MD (which is no doubt influential) was largely in favor of the new policy proposal. Conservative (talk) 15:48, 13 September 2017 (EDT)
Personally I think the current administration has been rather lenient with them. Posts on social media don't compare with taking the opportunity of having a Republican-controlled House & Senate to attempt to stop that. Then again, I probably don't know enough about the intricacies of what you can and can't restrict a state from doing. Would it be possible for Trump and the other branches of government to stop Maryland from doing that, as well put some legal or law enforcement muscle on Sanctuary Cities? I know the LAPD isn't reliable from what I've seen them do in the past. KommissarReb (talk) 14:48, 15 September 2017 (EDT)
Even if it was appropriate for Congress to do something about it, most of its members have no desire to help advance Trump's agenda. Even many Republicans have a very globalist outlook, similar to the European "conservatives" (aka liberals) like Merkel. --1990'sguy (talk) 14:52, 15 September 2017 (EDT)

It appears that non-citizens won't be able to vote in College Park after all.[1][2] It seems like the city's charter is preventing this from happening. Of course, it will only be a matter of time before these impediments to these kinds of policies are removed, similar to how the Commerce Clause was perverted over the years to how it is today. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:06, 15 September 2017 (EDT)

California 2020

It looks like California will hold its primary early in 2020, right after South Carolina: "How California could jolt the 2020 presidential race." Not many candidates can afford California's multiple media markets. It would be the end the retail presidential candidate who makes his mark one town hall at time. The move is apparently intended to give Kamala a lock on the nomination. The plan could backfire if Bernie runs since he also has a high level of name recognition in the state. PeterKa (talk) 20:03, 13 September 2017 (EDT)

I'm more worried about what the early primary would mean for the GOP. California Republicans tend to be more liberal (look at Schwarzenegger and the most recent gubernatorial candidate in 2014). This would not be good for conservative Republicans. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:08, 15 September 2017 (EDT)

Suggestion on what to do about North Korea's recent behavior.

If the US government is still giving things to North Korea like Food Aid, why can't it just be rescinded and pressure China that if it doesn't stop North Korea from firing missiles and provoking us and our allies, we won't trade with them anymore. Would it be a good idea for the President and the rest of the government to do this? The last thing our country needs is to be at Kim Jong-un's mercy (well...among other things). KommissarReb (talk) 14:56, 15 September 2017 (EDT)

That seems like a simple solution. But...and it's a BIG but - The US already owes China $1.14 trillion. And US companies export some $124 billion of goods to China. Nobody - seriously - wants that debt called in and those exports lost. A trade war between the US and China would absolutely hurt both countries, but it would hurt the US *significantly* more than it would hurt China. And the Chinese regime are far more willing to see that hurt passed on to their citizens than the US are to theirs. We're talking global recession and a US recession unlike anything in living memory. 15, 20, years ago, it might have worked, but that horse has bolted, been captured, been slaughtered, and sold back to the world as prime beef already. NeilWalker (talk) 16:02, 15 September 2017 (EDT)
As an addendum, I also think that we are 10-15 years past the point where unilateral military action against NORK would be possible/successful. Back then, the US military might was sufficient to hold both China and Russia in check. Both have made significant bounds in capability since. Had Bush 2 intervened militarily in the Korean peninsula instead of embarking on the longest war - and most pointless and futile waste of American lives and money - in US history against Afghanistan, followed by a war against Iraq to remove their non-existent nukes... who knows? IS/ISIS certainly wouldn't exist. He could even have gone after the Saudis - the financiers of 9/11 - next... NeilWalker (talk) 17:15, 15 September 2017 (EDT)
I'd use section 311 of the Patriot Act to sanction Chinese and Russian banks that do business with North Korea. See this article. North Korean military capabilities are being vastly overrated. Delaying action will only make them more dangerous. China is not going to war over this issue, certainly not a military war and probably not a trade war either. Why not? What the Chinese government fears most is the return of public opinion, which would surely arise if there were significant causalities or economic disruption. Putin will gin up an international crisis so he can use it to domestic advantage. The Chinese government is not like that. They don't tell the Chinese anything. As far as the average Chinese is concerned, international relations is about THAAD and Taiwan. There is no psychological preparation that would allow them to go to war over Korea. Of course, the party can crank up the propaganda machine at any time. So that could change quickly. But so far they haven't, and I assume for good reason. PeterKa (talk) 20:32, 15 September 2017 (EDT)

At what point we think Donald Trump will be added to Category:RINOs? NeilWalker (talk) 16:50, 15 September 2017 (EDT)

When he starts acting like globalists like Jeff Flake and Evan McMullin. I'm not particularly enthused about Trump working with Democrats, but let's remember that many congressional Republicans don't support his agenda either. Many of them are like the European mainstream "conservatives" (Merkel, Cameron, Macron), who really agree more with the leftists than the nationalist conservatives. --1990'sguy (talk) 17:20, 15 September 2017 (EDT)
I'm undecided if that is an example of No true Scotsman or nay. NeilWalker (talk) 19:31, 15 September 2017 (EDT)
No it's not -- read about Flake's immigration, trade, border security, and globalism positions -- very important positions and very liberal. Look at McMullin's defeatist views on gay "marriage" (if he thinks that way, how can anyone trust him to not give up on any other issue) and his immigration, trade, border security, and globalism positions -- they're also very liberal. --1990'sguy (talk) 19:36, 15 September 2017 (EDT)
Also, do you seriously think that Flake, McMullin, Merkel, Cameron, and Macron are conservatives? Sure they support a (relatively, compared to socialists like Corbyn and Bernie Sanders) free market, but this position alone doesn't make one a right-wing conservative. --1990'sguy (talk) 19:39, 15 September 2017 (EDT)

How Twitter commercializes your prose, one slur at a time

Did you ever want to send an ad to 14.5 million people who like using the N-word? Twitter can help. If, on the other hand, you wish to contact people who want to "burn jews," perhaps Facebook is more your thing.[3] PeterKa (talk) 22:22, 15 September 2017 (EDT)

It's not just Twitter and Facebook either. If you type "Why do Jews ruin everything" into Google, appropriate ads pop up.[4] I guess it's all amusing and harmless enough. But a Kamala Harris administration could use this technology to round up "climate deniers" and other dissidents. PeterKa (talk) 23:51, 15 September 2017 (EDT)

Dem strategy for 2020: Lose at all costs

Will the Dems be able take advantage of Trump's unpopularity in the upcoming election cycle, or ever? With the Democrats lining up behind Bernie's "Medicare for All" plan, they have apparently forgotten that the primary purpose of a political party is to, you know, win elections. Check it out: "The Democratic Push for Single-Payer Could Hand Trump a Second Term." The problem is not just that single payer would be wildly expensive and hugely unpopular, although it would be. It's that such a platform represents a surrender to the intolerant left. These people don't want a party contaminated with racists, sexists, pro-lifers, and other deplorables -- even if that means losing the election, as it certainly will. PeterKa (talk) 02:10, 16 September 2017 (EDT)

Trump's gaining in the polls since the Pelosi deal. He's likely to continue picking up moderates and Hillary voters, allowing the Millennial Progressives to gradually become the new DNC establishment, but a still a minority in the general electorate, barely counting for 40%. The Progressive DNC is moreless a permanent shift to the extreme left, abandoning moderates and the center completely. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 02:59, 16 September 2017 (EDT)
A Progressive dominated DNC is an ideological youth movement that will loose members as they grow up and embrace money and corruption that would be necessary to hold power and control the party. They constantly need new members as people mature, have families, vote Republican, or abort their children. The Democrats committed themselves to depending on immigration for growth and constantly creating new identity group constituencies decades ago. Trump & Bannon threw a monkey wrench into that basic strategy. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 03:05, 16 September 2017 (EDT)

U.S. to stay in Paris climate deal

If this story checks out, I'm off the Trump train: "Trump Administration Won’t Withdraw From Paris Climate Deal, EU Official Says" PeterKa (talk) 19:10, 16 September 2017 (EDT)

The Trump Administration has appointed far too many liberals and globalists, and with John Kelly severely restricting access to Trump, these people are better able to influence him now. This is what happens when they are in these positions of power. Hopefully, Sebastian Gorka is right: that Trump will fire a lot of them soon.[5][6] --1990'sguy (talk) 19:23, 16 September 2017 (EDT)
The White House has denied this story. But they also denied the DACA story three days before Trump personally confirmed it.[7] As Ann Coulter sagely puts it, "At this point, who DOESN'T want Trump impeached?"[8] PeterKa (talk) 23:07, 16 September 2017 (EDT)
quod vide The Greatest Con Ever: Donald Trump Convincing Conservatives He’s Not A #RINO :
Either you’re already aware of it or you’re a Trump apologist who does one of three things: (1) Ignore the facts because Trump is going to make America great again. (2) Suspend disbelief by falling for the idea that a hardcore Democrat for several decades saw the error in his ways just in time to get onto an easily manipulated ticket. (3) Cover your ears, avert your eyes, and post memes on Facebook about Donald Trump’s awesomeness, incredibleness, supermegacoolness, or whatever it is you have in those single-panel cartoons with small writing, all caps, bad font, and grammatical errors. (RedState, January 19, 2016)
NeilWalker (talk) 09:41, 17 September 2017 (EDT)
@NeilWalker: you're British, so maybe you don't know this, but we should keep in him that is a NeverTrump website. It strongly opposed Trump during the 2016 election, when it was especially clear that Trump had conservative positions (people who have doubts on Trump's conservatism are comparing some of his actions as president to his campaign promises, which were very conservative). I'm not going to say that it's a completely bad website or anything like that, but let's have some context here. I've seen a lot of NeverTrumpers (most of whom are RINOs) cast themselves as the "real" conservatives, despite opposing border security, supporting globalism, DACA, homosexual "marriage," etc. --1990'sguy (talk) 12:34, 17 September 2017 (EDT)

Politically incorrect Dairy Queen

Four years ago, the owner of a Dairy Queen in eastern Wisconsin put up a sign warning customers that they would hear politically incorrect things like "Merry Christmas" and "God bless America."[9] For some reason, the media only found out about this now. It's very nice to see this, and the American Dairy Queen Corporation is not going to stop it, apparently. --1990'sguy (talk) 19:28, 16 September 2017 (EDT)

Trump's stable poll numbers

Despite all the hoopla, Trump's poll numbers have been astonishingly stable. There was a Charlottesville related dip and recovery in August 14-25. Otherwise, his net approval has been chugging along at minus 15 to 16 points since May 17.[10] Rasmussen's "Approval Index" is at minus 20, same as at was on May 18.[11] PeterKa (talk) 19:57, 17 September 2017 (EDT)

Obamacare deadline looms

There's one last chance for the Senate to repeal Obamacare by majority vote as a "budget reconciliation" measure. After September 30, Senate rules will require 60 votes for repeal. See "The Last Best Hope to Euthanize Obamacare." PeterKa (talk) 02:24, 18 September 2017 (EDT)

The permanent state

This is a very interesting article of Sebastian Gorka's account of how he saw, firsthand, the deep state (or the "permanent state", as he calls it) undermining Trump: [12] Hopefully, Trump will wise up and fire many of the people surrounding him and the others in his administration. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:50, 18 September 2017 (EDT)

Trump tapes

Think Obama wiretapping Trump was a bunch of fake news? Think again. CNN reported that the Obama Administration wiretapped Paul Maneforte, including during a time when he was talking with Trump: [13] --1990'sguy (talk) 23:50, 18 September 2017 (EDT)

Stanford University AI researchers on Lesbians

A couple thoughts on this recent post:

Stanford University artificial intelligence researchers: "Lesbians smile less than heterosexual women". See also: Lesbianism and obesity
  1. There is no stated or implied link in this report between homosexuality and obesity. Although there may be an argument here, I don't see the relation between this and the news report. It is really a good idea to distract people from the issue at hand with this alternate issue?
  2. I'm sure this will be slanted to say that it is because of "persecution" and "bullying" rather than poor life choices. I have heard many well-planned arguments using reports like this to say we need to go even farther out of our way to accommodate gender confused people.

--David B (TALK) 15:37, 19 September 2017 (EDT)

Thanks for the input. The post has been appended.Conservative (talk) 20:33, 19 September 2017 (EDT)
For the foreseeable future, anti-homosexuality sentiments in the world are going to rise due to the growth of evangelical Christianity and Islam and their dim view of homosexuality. And liberal/leftist spin/propaganda and identity politics (and its attendant cries of victimhood) are going to be powerless to stop it.
For example, in Tanzania it was reported this week that 20 men were arrested related to homosexuality and dozens of men were medically tested at hospitals via forced @#@# exams.[14] Tanzania has significantly Muslim and fundamentalist Christian populations.
It is also commonly argued that once pro-homosexuality advocates in the Western World started fining/jailing individuals who had unfavorable views about homosexuality (Christian wedding cake bakers, etc. etc.), it caused anti-homosexuality backlash in non-Western countries because they worried that religious discrimination relating to homosexuality could eventually occur in their countries.
I realize that pro-homosexuality sentiments are popular in Europe and spread to the United State, but the pendulum is starting to swing due to growth of Islam and pentecostal/fundamentalist Christianity in Europe. Both legal and illegal immigration to Europe and the higher fertility rates of members of conservative Abrahamic religion are poised to change the public attitudes of homosexuality in Europe. See: European desecularization in the 21st century
In addition, Asia traditionally has been resistant to pro-homosexuality sentiments and East Asia is seeing rapid desecularization (see: East Asia and global desecularization). And there are plenty of signs that China, where evangelical Christianity is growing very rapidly, is going to be a superpower to be reckoned with in future years. There are scholars indicating that the 21st century is going to be a Asian Century.
While it is true that Europe could expel Muslims from Europe (like Spain did within their country previously) and dramatically cut back immigration, it would take a religious revival to turn around Europe's sub-replacement fertility levels in order for immigration to not be needed. Either way, homosexuality does not appear to be have a bright future in this century.
On top of this, around the world the liberal media outlets (which are pro-homosexuality) are less and less trusted according to polling around the world.[15] As far as pro-homosexuality and liberal Hollywood, the Emmy's viewership recently cratered.[16]
In short, religious and social conservatism are going to be strong in the 21st century and liberals/leftists with pro-homosexuality views are going to be in a downward spiral in terms of political power.
Eventually, homosexuality could spring up again because in the end times the Bible indicates that the world will be a very corrupt. Conservative (talk)
Thanks for David's astute comments. Still, the report is startling, and apparently is scientific. The obesity point seems to be that lesbianism is linked to other characteristics also.
While liberals may try to spin the science in their favor, they cannot deny that lesbianism does have consequences, or at least is so correlated. But thanks for your feedback.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 23:27, 19 September 2017 (EDT)
Previous research indicates that educated and attractive women are more likely to say they are 100% heterosexual.[17]
Are studious, slim and happy ladies with long and flowing hair more likely to be straight? Are obese and unhappy ladies with butch haircuts more likely to lesbians? Conservative (talk) 00:34, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

THESE slim, smiling, young earth creationist ladies are straight as an arrow![18] Please notice how much they are enjoying the Question evolution campaign and the 15 questions that evolutionists cannot satisfactorily answer! Conservative (talk) 00:54, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

Time for you to do some oversiting Conservative. Look at those pictures carefully, take note of the light reflecting off the screens? I do not know if this is your work or you have been duped but these photos have been photo-shopped, they are fake.--YohanB (talk) 01:17, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
I am sure if I dig around I can find the original photo, in particular the fair ground photo, that would be embarrassing.--YohanB (talk) 01:25, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
Then find it instead of coming here trying to be the tough guy. Karajou (talk) 01:40, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
Not so much a tough guy, more of someone who can spot a fake a mile off.--YohanB (talk) 01:45, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
You ain't much of anything; just a repeated troll bent on hating us for posting evidence against your sacred evolution. Find the pics or leave. Karajou (talk) 01:50, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
I will leave, and all evidence of the photos will be oversited, mark my words. Then you will have your answer.--YohanB (talk) 01:53, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
So you can't even follow through on your little statement? Not even to the point where those pics in question could easily be downloaded from where they are, and ungrouped within photoshop? You're nuts. Karajou (talk) 02:02, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
Any graphic designer worth half his salt would be able to Photoshop something without so obviously degrading the quality. I'm not going to dive down the rabbit hole of this argument if the evidence being used is a photo. However, unless such an alleged editor was trying to use reverse-psychology, there is no way they would botch up an edit in this way. Grasping at straws doesn't begin to define your argument against its validity. Go inspect it pixel by pixel and find your proof, or get the original copy. As it is, you are just making a fool of yourself again. Good riddance. --David B (TALK) 03:18, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

There's something worse than that here. Just as Sigmund Freud was too concerned with writing a diatribe against his own Jewish people than paying attention to the fact that the Nazis were coming to his town, this clown from Britain is just too concerned with hating us than he is about the Muslims his kind let into his country in droves, and they make no compunction about what they intend to do there. Being completely stupid is something he enjoys. Karajou (talk) 03:51, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

Liberals VERY often project. He knows evolutionism is rife with fakery and people distrusts atheists for good reason (even fellow atheists tend to distrusts other atheists). See: Distrust of atheists.
There are plenty of attractive ladies who disbelieve evolutionism. I cite: "Out of all the contestants in last night’s Miss USA pageant, only two affirmed they thought evolution should be taught in schools."[19]
Also, consider: Conservatives really are better looking, research says. Conservative (talk) 10:28, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

How long will Kelly last?

Chief of Staff John Kelly is once again publically making peeved expressions in public while Trump is speaking.[20] (he also did this when Trump spoke about the Charlottesville incident). Apparently, not even Kelly's very rigid WH organization can stop the president from speaking his mind and remaining a conservative nationalist. I wonder if Trump will tolerate Kelly, considering his expressions? I hope not. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:23, 19 September 2017 (EDT)

The swamp isn't empty yet, so I hope Trump keeps draining it. --David B (TALK) 03:21, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
Only 35% of Americans want Trump's border wall.[21] I do think that Trump is correct and that through tariffs, taxes on money wires to Mexico, etc., the USA could get Mexico to pay for the wall.
66% of Trump supporters want the DACA young people to be able to stay while there are plenty of Trump supporters who vehemently want them to go.[22] Trump is in a no-win situation when it comes to DACA.
It looks like the border wall and amnesty for DACA young people may incinerate a large section of Trump's most ardent fans. It is looking like Congress will push DACA on Trump's desk and that he will sign it without getting a wall. This is the sense I am getting about DACA from Trump and Trump's press secretary.
Maybe Trump is hoping that DACA will die on the vine just like the repeal of ObamaCare. Obama could not DACA/amnesty through Congress.
Trump would have to get on the bully pulpit and explain why the wall is needed, but it doesn't seem like he will do it. He didn't do it to repeal ObamaCare and I don't think he is going to do it for his wall.
Call me a cynic, but I am guessing Trump knows the level of public support for the wall due to Trump having advisors. If he doesn't know the level of public support for the wall, it would be a case of political malpractice.Conservative (talk) 11:15, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
The statistics he should be concerned with are those of the election--he made promises which were very politically incorrect. He got elected based on those promises, and should carry through on them. I'm afraid he is getting dragged down by the political agendas of others. Statistics can be misrepresented and fake, and surveys can be targeted. The plain and simple fact is that he said he would, and the people supported him. When he does, those same people should in general continue to be supportive. He needs to do his job and stop worrying about what people say and think about him--he started out that way. --David B (TALK) 14:43, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
(edit conflict) I'm not sure 66% of Trump supporters supporting DACA is accurate (despite the polling). Polling stations can manipulate the responses based on how the question is worded -- and there are many different polls. Also, the GOP is weak right now -- they are not effectively arguing why DACA is bad and should be undone. Breitbart and other similar outlets have to do that work alone. If you only hear one point of view and not the other, of course, you're going to side with that pov.
Half the country is going to hate Trump regardless of what he does, even if he shifts to the Left (he's probably going to have to go extremely far-left to get them to support him, and even then, his previous right-wing positions would still stop leftists from supporting him). His 35-40% base of supporters will be with him just as long as he largely sticks to the agenda they elected him on. Because voter turnout in U.S. elections goes nowhere near 100%, those 35-40% of Trump supporters will win him the election if they are enthusiastic about Trump and go out to vote.
Trump should have ended DACA immediately upon taking office and offered strong reasons for undoing the program, rather than fighting on the Democrats' turf. It would have pleased his base and helped him avoid all the media coverage he's receiving now about DACA. --1990'sguy (talk) 14:44, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

The poll about the wall was done by Pew Research which is not an overtly partisan outfit and it does respectable research.

Legal immigration in the United States is at high levels. In Western countries, I don't see a strong backlash enough backlash about immigration to reverse things yet. It is probably going to take further Muslim terrorism in Europe to cause this. And even then, barring a Christian religious revival, maybe Europe will still do high levels of non-Muslim immigration due to their sub-replacement levels of fertility. It seems to me that that the business class does a lot of work on lobbying and shaping public opinion on immigration and they want cheap labor.

Trump is a businessman, builder, promoter and salesman with some political experience because real estate development is partly a political endeavor. As far as Trump passing DACA if it appears on his desk, these point to it happening: the salesman part of Trump (sometimes telling people what they want to hear), his concern for how the media covers him (he watches a lot of televised news), his willingness to change his ideological positions more than many politicians, and the recent proclamations out of the Trump administration about DACA.

Ann Coulter, one of Trump's biggest supporters, is now publicly speaking out against him due to his recent statements on DACA and due to his administration's statements on DACA. Coulter is not misguided in her criticism. Conservative (talk)

@Conservative: Still, even if the poll is done by Pew, that does not explain away the fact that the GOP (and Trump himself) has done terrible (if anything at all) at arguing the case for why DACA must go. There are very good arguments for reversing DACA, and outlets like Breitbart have written about it, but the GOP and Trump himself have bought into the Democrat's emotionalistic and shallow arguments.
I personally think Coulter should tone it down. Yes, it is good to make sure that Trump remains committed to the principles that he was elected on, but she is forgetting Trump's later statements promising a bill with tough security measures, his discussions with Tom Cotton, and his UN speech. Besides, what good it is to constantly criticize someone if that might just turn them off and push them even further left? Trump is still more conservative than most of the GOP challengers he faced in the election. Even despite his apparent shift to the Left, he has still done A LOT of things that his challengers would never think of doing: pulling out of the TPP, leaving the Paris agreement, cracking down on illegal immigration, supporting the RAISE Act, challenging political correctness, his inaugural, Poland, and UN addresses, etc. Also, would Jeb Bush or John Kasich even think about advocating for stopping chain migration like Trump did? --1990'sguy (talk) 16:51, 21 September 2017 (EDT)

China tells banks to halt business with North Korea

This sounds like a big win for Trump: "Beijing Takes A Knee – China Central Bank Tells National Banks To Halt Business With North Korea…." The major banks in China are all state owned. A directive to the banks is how they make economic policy when they are serious about getting it done. In China, things gets decided at secret party confabs, not by law or regulation. So we will have wait for the trade stats before we know for sure. At any rate, the North Koreans are already squealing in pain. PeterKa (talk) 08:02, 22 September 2017 (EDT)

A whiff of banking sanctions was all it took to make China see the light. Here is the Washington Times: "Trump’s financial strategy persuades China to put screws to North Korea." PeterKa (talk) 08:46, 22 September 2017 (EDT)
NK may be losing bank loans and Chinese subsidies, but they are king of the hill in another field: insults. After Kim called Trump a "dotard," Americans are scratching their heads as to what this unusual word might mean. Obama gave the North Koreans everything they wanted. Here's how they thanked him: “… still has the figure of [a] monkey while the human race has evolved through millions of years. … It would be perfect for Obama to live with a group of monkeys in the world’s largest African natural zoo and lick the bread crumbs thrown by spectators.” ("Beyond ‘dotard’: A history of epic North Korean insults") PeterKa (talk) 22:23, 22 September 2017 (EDT)
The walls close in on Kim Jong-un: "China limits oil trade to North Korea and bans textile trade" (BBC). It's time to start thinking in terms of regime change and post-communist North Korea. Christianity is very popular in South Korea and Taiwan. The North could be the future of the church, a base from which to Christianize China. PeterKa (talk) 14:23, 23 September 2017 (EDT)
The Korean papers are talking war: "U.S. Military Strikes on N.Korea Get More Likely by the Day." China has given the U.S. a green light, according to this article. Kim, go find a retirement home in Russia or something before you end up like Saddam. The Korean pundits have seen it all before. They don't talk about war lightly. Chosun Ilbo is Korea's top paper. This isn't Wolf Blitzer letting his id do the talking. PeterKa (talk) 04:04, 24 September 2017 (EDT)

The German election

In the recent election, Merkel's CDU/CSU party got a lower percentage of the vote than Trump's lowest ever approval rating. But don't worry. Being rejected by two-thirds of the voters won't stop Merkel from continuing to serve as Germany's chancellor and Europe's top dog for another four years. The ads for the right-wing populist AfD party featured a "delightful blend of Islamophobia and misogyny," according to Vox. AfD was the No. 1 party among east German men. It will be the third largest party in the new parliament. Best of all, the election broke up the left-right "Grand Coalition," or GroKo. This will presumably boost the influence of the conservative CSU at the expense of the left-wing Social Democrats.[23] PeterKa (talk) 17:39, 25 September 2017 (EDT)

It was a good election overall. Germany finally has a nationalistic-conservative party in the Bundestag. Like usual, the MSM is framing the AfD as some reincarnation of the Nazi Party and using silly terms like "far-right" to describe it (even though the AfD is comparable to mainstream conservative Republicans in the U.S.).
However, I Don't think the CSU has much influence at all, even with the AfD in the Bundestag -- and even if the CSU gets more influence, that doesn't take away the fact that Germany has over 1 million (maybe 2 million already) more migrants in its (practically nonexistent) borders since 2015.
The only thing I did not like about the election is the fact that the SPD stated they will not take part in the governing coalition -- they took away the AfD's chance to be the official opposition party. It will be interesting to watch the coalition talks -- Merkel and the FDP will have to find some way to appease the Green Party to enter into a coalition. If talks break down, things will get interesting. --1990'sguy (talk) 18:33, 25 September 2017 (EDT)
  • So who is Merkel, the figure at the center of the European project? There is no country where either she or the current EU program is popular. But the superstate appears unstoppable, moving in it's gradual and undemocratic way toward an Islamic law society that almost no one wants. Her slogan in the last election was, "You know me." Few actually do. Like Obama, she's a red-diaper baby, chosen at an early age for a grand future in left-wing politics. In 1954, when Merkel was just a few months old, her family moved from West Germany to East Germany. This was at a time when most East Germans were desperate for a way out. Her father founded a socialist church. The East German government liked the church so much that the family entered the nomenklatura, or communist elite. Merkel was later free to travel abroad with her husband, a rare privilege in East Germany. After the Berlin Wall fell in 1989, she became deputy press secretary of the East CSU. She gradually rose in the party, not so much because of any accomplishments or because she stood for anything in particular, but because alternative leaders become embroiled in various scandals. They were tarred as Stasi informers (if they were East German) or as recipients of "black money" (if they were West German). It reminds me of Obama, who didn't so much win elections as get his opponents tossed off the ballot. When she first ran for chancellor in 2005, people knew so little about her that she was proclaimed a new Margret Thatcher. Check out the whole article. PeterKa (talk) 00:53, 28 September 2017 (EDT)

NFL protests

Do the Dems think that protesting the anthem will help them carry Ohio next time? Also, they may want to rethink the idea that complaining about player behavior is racist. After all, that's even more the national sport than football itself. The current strategy of driving away Trump supporters is unlikely to last long. Surely there is someone at the NFL who still cares about the bottom line. As Shakespeare would ask, is there method in this madness? If you can't win elections anyway, perhaps there is a certain logic to focusing on the culture wars. PeterKa (talk) 23:24, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

If the NFL hates us, what can sports fans do about it? "Forget The NFL, Go See Tim Tebow Play Minor League Baseball Instead (Everyone Else Is)." Tebow currently plays for the Mets' St. Lucie farm team. Here is a video of Tebow being his usual awesome self. PeterKa (talk) 09:00, 27 September 2017 (EDT)
It turns out that NFL fans prefer football to anti-Trump protests: "NFL ticket sales plummet 17.9%." PeterKa (talk) 18:11, 28 September 2017 (EDT)
Just yesterday the media was brimming with confidence that the kneeling NFL players were today's Muhammad Alis, on the brink of a major civil rights triumph: "Trump Wins Bigly as Every NFL Player Stands for Thursday Night Anthem." PeterKa (talk) 01:35, 30 September 2017 (EDT)

Russia-Trump update

From the "Russia dossier" to the "21 states with hacked election systems," Russia-Trump is the land of fake news and startling retractions. Check out Glenn Greenwald for the details. Greenwald is old style leftist who never forsook the Kremlin for the false gods of Obama and Hillary. PeterKa (talk) 06:37, 29 September 2017 (EDT)

Antifa infiltrated

UNDERCOVER IN ANTIFA: Their Tactics and Media Support Exposed! Progressingamerica (talk) 19:31, 29 September 2017 (EDT)

Dr. Seuss, racist propaganda

Check out the state of the art in leftist insanity: "Mark Steyn on Dr. Seuss Controversy: 'We Are Making Ourselves a Society Too Stupid to Survive'." The books are "racist propaganda, caricatures, and harmful stereotypes,” according to one librarian.[24] I bet they're sexist too. Isn't that why Hillary lost the election? PeterKa (talk) 08:56, 30 September 2017 (EDT)

I watched that segment and the one just before that, and it seems that the problem leftists have with Dr. Seuss is the fact that he published things in general (outside of his children's books) that are considered "racist." This means that liberals aren't opposed to his books because of any of their content, it's because the author himself didn't live up to their ridiculous standards during every single point in his life. This is what happened during the Reign of Terror and numerous other unfortunate times in history: witch hunts and slandering people's reputations because they aren't as enthusiastic about a certain point of view as they should. --1990'sguy (talk) 13:26, 30 September 2017 (EDT)

Wrong word on Main Page Right

It says, "Let the Refunds Begin: DirectTV is issuing some refunds to customers who purchased the "NFL Sunday Ticket" if they site the national anthem protests." Do you mean "cite"? Or "complain about"? NeilG (talk) 19:57, 30 September 2017 (EDT)

Most likely "cite", though their disapproval of the national anthem protests as anti-American and anti-police is justified. Northwest (talk) 20:39, 30 September 2017 (EDT)
Problem fixed. It was removed from the main page due to Andy wanting less NFL entries on main page right.
Next, for the foreseeable future, I am going to be doing less main page right posting with the exception of various issues I may cover in the future. Below I give my reasons why.
After seeing how wrong the mainstream news got the 2016 presidential election and after reading about the fiascos of the Russia-Trump collusion fake news of the mainstream press as reported by Glenn Greenwald, it has greatly diminished my interest in mainstream news reporting. The mainstream news outlets also did a poor job in predicting the rise of the Alternative for Germany (Afd) party and now report on the "stunning success" of that party.[25] After Brexit and Trump and the various incidents in Germany involving Muslims, was the showing all that stunning?
Also, the political left has invested a lot in news gathering/reporting whereas the right has made less of an investment. But in recent years the right has invested more in news gathering/reporting due to the internet. However, the right appears to do less news gathering and investigative journalism and often merely reports on what the mainstream news is saying but giving their right-wing commentary on it. Because the left leaning news organization are making their news even more biased in recent years and have reduced the quality of their reporting due to budget cuts, it makes following the news via news organization a less worthwhile endeavor. And because the education system has been doing such a poor job in recent years, the quality of the reporters has gone down too. And because the reporters/public have such a poor understanding of the world and engage in overly partisan pettiness, reporters frequently report on trivialities/gossip (Melania Trump's shoes when she visited Texas).
Lastly, in the past, I read that the average American spends about 70 minutes a day following the TV news. I also read that too much following news has a negative effect on people in terms of their mental state because much of news is really not that informative and is sensational/negative in nature (hence the maxim "if it bleeds it leads"). Conservative (talk) 03:54, 1 October 2017 (EDT)

Vegas shooting

Shooter Stephen Paddock is apparently not Muslim and I don't think anyone politically to the right of center would attack a country music concert. Singer Jason Aldean caters to the deplorables with hits like “Fly-Over States” and “Dirt Road Anthem." I'm going out on a limb here and calling it Trump derangement syndrome. PeterKa (talk) 09:23, 2 October 2017 (EDT)

The shooter may have been a Muslim: ISIS just took responsibility for the shooting and claimed that the shooter converted to Islam.[26] --1990'sguy (talk) 10:37, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
So he was a Islamic atheist?--RHass (talk) 11:02, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
It's still early -- we don't know much about the shooter, so conflicting reports about his religion right now is unsurprising. However, there doesn't appear to be any evidence to support ISIS's claim, so the claim that he had connections to ISIS and was a Muslim may be false.[27] --1990'sguy (talk) 14:08, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
If I'm not mistaken, law in Switzerland requires people to keep firearms, and they aren't immune to the influx of Muslims coming in. The difference I can see is Switzerland doesn't have two-party politics where we have the idea that one side of the political spectrum is pure good, whilst the other side is pure evil. It's possible he was a disgruntled leftist member of Antifa who believed he was killing "fascists", AKA possible non-leftists. Also since when are country fans entirely conservative? I know people personally who like country who aren't. KommissarReb (talk) 19:58, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
And Swiss culture isn't as violent and aggressive as American culture and society JessMay (talk) 20:03, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
Switzerland doesn't have the inner city slums where gangs rule, unlike the United States. Let's remember that these gang-controlled slums are run by liberal Democrats and have been for decades (but for some reason, according to leftists, it's still the conservatives' fault). Also, speaking as a Swiss-citizen (who lives in the U.S.), Switzerland does have the wide globalist/nationalist divide that most European countries have. It's not political party that divides the Swiss the most, but rather their views on immigration and national sovereignty. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:35, 2 October 2017 (EDT)

The Las Vegas shooter

So your first thought is to use this tragedy to support your own perverted wank fantasy?.--RHass (talk) 11:00, 2 October 2017 (EDT)

See liberal denial, especially point 9, and also points 5 and 12. I pray for the victims too, in addition to rejecting liberal denial.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 11:17, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
@RHass: you're describing your leftist friends (many of whom have their own bodyguards). You guys push "your own perverted wank fantasy" when you cry for more gun control immediately after every shooting.[28][29][30][31][32][33] --1990'sguy (talk) 14:15, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
RHass, I appended the main page right post with this additional information: Paddock killed himself after his murder spree. See: Spiritual but not religious, mental disorders and suicides and Atheism and suicide. I hope this further clarifies things for you.
By the way, there are at least two peered reviewed journal articles indicating a positive relationship between atheism and psychopathy (see: Atheism and psychopathy).
I realize that it is painful to have your atheist bubble repeatedly and thoroughly popped by theists. Apparently, you feel compelled to lash out without supplying any counterevidence. However, I would ask you to exercise some self-restraint lest you further embarrass yourself. Conservative (talk) 16:03, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
Counter-evidence? I provided no evidence either way. Nor for the fact have you. All that is said about this man is that he had no particular religious affiliation, nowhere else online says he is an atheist. My point was is that you used this tragedy to "stick it to atheists"--RHass (talk) 07:47, 3 October 2017 (EDT)
Maybe you could amend it to say that our prayers are with the the family, friends and loved ones of the victims, perhaps? JessMay (talk) 18:27, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
What if the many leftists already pushing for gun control because of this shooting (as I linked above) do the same first? --1990'sguy (talk) 18:32, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
Then you are as petty as they are. Good day to you. JessMay (talk) 18:34, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
Thank you, though, for illustrating the hypocrisy of the Left on this subject. --1990'sguy (talk) 18:38, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
This is a tragedy, and yet I'm sure they will use this to push "gun control;" it's going to be hard for me not to laugh at anyone who does this, though. He used a fully automatic rifle, which is ILLEGAL for civilian use except under certain very strictly controlled environments. I don't know of any state where civilian possession of a full-auto firearm is permitted. Little details like this never stopped them, though, like attacking the AR-15 based on the Sandy Hook attack, even though it probably wasn't used, and banning "high-capacity magazines" in the state even though they weren't used.--David B (TALK) 18:56, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
Also, the shooter passed a background check when he bought a handgun and two rifles.[34] The gun control measures supported by leftists are not helping to stop the violence. We live in a world corrupted by sin (Romans 3:23, for example), and gun control is only a superficial solution (and one of the worst solutions, as it doesn't even try to deal with the people's hearts or personalities). Murder and other evil things will continue to happen regardless of what we do in this world, so removing the freedom of law-abiding people won't make anything better. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:25, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
Stop and frisk is the only form of gun control we know is effective at reducing crime. So naturally the left opposes it. The left wants gun control that doesn't upset Sharpton and the Black hoodlums. In other words, gun control that doesn't work.
Spent bullets are traceable to the legal owner of the gun. The owner is already motivated to see that his gun is not used for criminal purposes. Someone planning to use a gun to commit a crime buys a stolen weapon -- and of course this has always been illegal. PeterKa (talk) 04:37, 3 October 2017 (EDT)
Another thing, RHass: Tone down the incivility or you'll be looking at a block next time. Northwest (talk) 19:42, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
  • There has never been a mass murder anything like this. Perp was a reclusive rich elderly white guy with houses, apartment buildings, two airplanes, a pilot's license, and a steady girlfriend. He had no criminal record, or any known religious, military, or political affiliations. There is no easy way to get an automatic weapon in the U.S., but somehow he had one. See reports in National Review and The Washington Post. PeterKa (talk) 21:16, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
Many of the Young mass murderers were atheists too. The Columbine High School Massacre comes to mind, for example.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 23:16, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
JessMay, after Muslim terrorist attacks in Europe prayer vigils are held, but nothing is done to address the core issue and that is large scale Muslim immigration into Europe.
We know the cause of a large bulk of violence in the USA: crime ridden, violent cities which are invariably controlled by liberal Democrats such as Chicago/Baltimore etc.; higher than normal domestic abuse in irreligious households (see: Irreligion and domestic violence); psychopaths (atheists per capital are more likely to be psychopaths, see: Atheism and psychopathy); Muslim terrorism (9/11, etc.); violence inspiring pornography (liberals/atheists champion/produce pornography, see: Atheism and pornography and Atheism and child pornography) gratuitous violence on television/movies (which liberal Hollywood often produces and liberals often champion) and mentally unstable people going on murderous rampages (and we know that the "spiritual, but nones/no religion" people have higher than normal mental instability (see: Spiritual but not religious, mental disorders and suicides).
If a fire is raging, there is certainly a place for prayer, but there is certainly also a time to stop pouring gasoline on the fire and pour some water on it instead. In addition, there is also a place for people pointing out who the "arsonists" are. Conservative (talk) 06:39, 3 October 2017 (EDT)

Stephen Paddock's father was a convicted bank robber who was “diagnosed as psychopathic.”[35]

There is growing evidence that some psychopathic behaviour might be partly genetically caused and heritable.[36][37][38]

It appears that the mass murderer Stephen Paddock was an nonreligious, Donald Trump protesting leftist.[39] We know that atheists are more likely to be leftists (see: Atheism and politics). There are studies indicating that atheists are more likely to be psychopaths (see: Atheism and psychopathy).

Was Stephen Paddock an atheist?

Question: Why do secular leftists hate science - especially when it paints their ideology in an unfavorable light? Conservative (talk) 08:15, 3 October 2017 (EDT)

Some problems like psychopathy may be genetic, but all such problems can be overcome, particularly by age 64.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 11:46, 3 October 2017 (EDT)
That is why I said "partly genetic". He still had free will. He could have repented and become a Christian and had God's grace in overcoming his various problems.
One thing for certain, I agree with the ex-atheist Shockofgod who has said on multiple occasions: "Atheism is madness!". Conservative (talk) 18:35, 3 October 2017 (EDT)
Stephen Paddock often berated his girlfriend in public.[40] See also: Atheism and sexism and Atheism and social/interpersonal intelligence and Irreligion and domestic violenceConservative (talk) 02:38, 4 October 2017 (EDT)

Vegas rumor roundup

The "ISIS patsy" theory is starting to gain traction. The shooting lasted for five to ten minutes. Based on emergency band transmissions, the police didn't arrive at Paddock's room until 72 minutes after the first shots were reported. 4chan claims that Paddock was an "internal auditor" for Lockheed in 1985-1988. Otherwise, his work history is a blank. This suggests he retired in his 30s at around the same time that daddy was charged with racketeering. We will know more when some enterprising 4channer has had time to check the leaked Equifax data.
The ISIS news service has been curiously insistent about taking credit for this incident. Three times now they have claimed that the shooting was done by "Abu Abd el-Bar al-Amriki (the American)," supposedly an Isis soldier and convert.[41] Was 72 minus 10 minutes long enough for al-Amriki to whack the patsy and make a clean getaway? PeterKa (talk) 09:19, 3 October 2017 (EDT)

Revelations concerning the Vegas shooting keep coming. Paddock's work history is no longer a blank. He worked as a letter carrier and then as an IRS agent before joining Lockheed. That means he retired suspiciously wealthy at age 33. According to one report, he abortively targeted a Lord and Chance rap concert on September 1.[42] So much for Trump derangement syndrome. That he wired $100,000 to his girl in the Philippines is a strike against the ISIS theory[43] -- unless she turns out to be a Muslim.
He didn't love her anywhere near as much as he loved gambling. In his last week, he was going through a hundred thousand dollars a day. This story can be used to support the MPR item on Paddock and gambling: "Las Vegas Shooter Stephen Paddock Gambled With at Least $160K in Recent Weeks."
We never found out what made the pilot of "missing Malaysian plane" MH370 run amok. But I'm guessing it was a similar situation: Gambler owed some enormous amount of money. In the case of MH370, the Malaysian government still protects the murderer's secrets. He killed 239 people. "Pilot suicide" due to gambling debt has brought down other planes as well. PeterKa (talk) 22:48, 3 October 2017 (EDT)
A few other things are starting to come out, but at this time we have to call them alleged. First, he may have been a gambler heavy-enough to be considered for special treatment at the various hotels, which means better rooms, first-class service, and no questions asked should he bring an escort or a bag of firearms. Second, his girlfriend may (or mnay not) have ties with radical Muslims from the southern Philippines; she is from there, and there is a photo online of her in Dubai, UAE. Third, he had a "slip-and-fall" lawsuit against a casino in 2011, and could have made his money from that case. Karajou (talk) 00:52, 4 October 2017 (EDT)
I read somewhere Paddock earned his money in the real estate market like Trump. He might have been particularly jealous of Trump if Trump succeeded to the position of leader of the free world, while Paddock publicly scorned Trump to his circle of acquaintances early on, then blew all of his fortune.
Peter also said the police didn't arrive in the shooter's room until 72 minutes after the shooting started. But after 10-15 minutes, why would he hunker down and hide in the corner until the police arrived? I suspect Paddock was hit by a sniper early on, and the police spent 40 minutes securing the hotel against booby traps and sequestering the hotel guests as possible accomplices before entering the room.VargasMilan (talk) 05:50, 4 October 2017 (EDT)
  • Here is a picture of GF Marilou Danley in Dubai. What odd about the picture is that Paddock didn't have a passport and presumably never went to Dubai. Here is Patrick Paddock, Stephen's dad, on the FBI most wanted list. He was on the list from 1969 to 1977. He had been doing time for a bank job and escaped. Here is Fox News on the issue how much time the police took: "Police took 72 minutes from first emergency call to reach Las Vegas shooter." PeterKa (talk) 06:26, 4 October 2017 (EDT)

Holes in the narrative

Liberals are in a tizzy trying to frame the narrative so their response doesn't look like a flip-flop on their part.

"CNN/Liberal Media/Democrats promote violence against conservatives. I believe it was the underlying reason in the Vegas ["]tragedy["]."
"conservatives hoard guns just in case the government goes a way they dont like so they can start killing cops and the military"
"like"?! Where did I hear this before? When the MSM "Fake news" cigar exploded in their faces (if only they could have held back their mendacity for one weekend, they could have plausibly planted the label on conservatives by depriving them of "ironically, there was liberal fake news [link] HERE this very day" arguments.
Originally the term "fake news" applied to advertisers on Facebook and other sites providing clickbait headings flattering to conservatives to get them to click to the websites where the stories (and a bunch of ads) were located. But liberals were shocked to see the designation stick most readily to their own news sites! As they were forced to admit the "fake news" campaign had backfired, they consoled themselves by withholding the admission conservatives applied the term to the least truthful of the newssites' stories but only allowing that they rather applied it to stories they didn't "like".
Nobody "likes" to live under a tyrannical government, but who would be so stupid as to claim the basic problem the aversion had for its basis was a problem of "opposed likings" between tyrant and subject, or at least what American? Wouldn't it rather be that the injustice objectively gave grounds for revolution and whatever follows regardless of subjective preferences? Likewise nobody "likes" to be misinformed or dealt with untruthfully in enterprises they are involved in. But that they dislike it is incidental to pausing to do the needful work to remove whatever obstruction to which the untruth led.
Or is liberals' use of this over-abstraction really based on that servile of a motive that they actually want to place considerations of justice on the same level of relevance as the thinking involved in a play of the thinker's imagination and tastes and to ultimately regard them as having equal claims to our moral attention? If so it's little wonder they dislike conservatism or anything that points the finger at them and says "stand aside for these heroes" in civil government or law enforcement [note: these are concrete examples giving the term definition, not merely a lone abstraction]. Of which, strangely enough, may have inspired jealousy that sadly led to suggesting the presence of a homicidal military-and-police-opposing principle in what was already a misrepresentation of a practice of the lawful self-defense measure to keep and bear arms.VargasMilan (talk) 05:49, 4 October 2017 (EDT)

Beyond the light it sheds on the writer's and his cohorts' unexplained need to regard self-defense as an arbitrary attack, there is little reason to take this diagnosis of conservatives more seriously than as an artifact of his own hostility and wishful thinking. But some won't leave it at that.

A bedrock motive and justification that unites participants in the "resist" movement that refuses to accept Trump as president is given by their avowed insistence that Trump is a fascist.

And events have taken place that those innocent of political maneuvering might believe that gun confiscation could save lives by reducing access to lethal force. Researcher John Lott has shown in a much-restudied investigation that this is not the case, but the perception lingers.

Yet if these confiscations were carried out as liberals so dearly seem to desire, who would stand to benefit through an increase in political power the most? None other than "fascist Trump"!

These Resist movement liberals need to interviewed:

A: "If you are a liberal, why are you proposing to tip the balance of force to empower fascist Trump?"
B: "He's too afraid to act like a fascist."
A: "So the real fascism comes later?"
B: "We need to act now so that doesn't happen."
A: "If you arm fascist Trump, what is his motive to relinquish those arms to liberals, who undermined his presidency the most?"
B: "He's too dumb to carry out a coup. Everybody knows he's a loon."
A: "But what about his fascist buddies? Is 'Resist' just a fake rallying point or is Trump really a fascist, and so we'd better stop gun confiscation?"

Either reply requires a flip-flop. VargasMilan (talk) 07:20, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

Here is a realtime timeline by people monitoring LV police frequencies. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 04:13, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

Has "Detective User: Conservative" solved another case?

Please read: Essay: Was Stephen Paddock an atheist mass killer?

"Detective User: Conservative" was one of the first detect the "misogny achilles' heel" that would ultimately bring down the New Atheism movement and the atheist movement as a whole. His work was cited by Ms. Magazine about a year or so before the Elevatorgate controversy.[44] Atheists scoffed at his/her pre-Elevatorgate article entitled Richard Dawkins and women, but ultimately they ate some crow.

Has "Detective User: Conservative" come up with the best theory as far as the most important causal factor that best explains why Paddock went on his mass murder rampage? Did Paddock's godlessness cause him to descend the slippery slope that ultimately lead him to go on his murderous rampage? Conservative (talk)

Any grand jury would refuse to charge in this case. With just circumstantial evidence, weak circumstantial evidence at that, the case would be thrown out. So no, the case is not solved.--RHass (talk) 10:42, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
RHass, what worldview did Stephen Paddock possess? Where does the evidence most strongly point to in terms of his worldview? Was he most likely religious or irreligious/nonreligious? And before you tell me that his worldview had nothing to do with his murderous rampage, I would ask you to tell me how many Amish mass killers there have been in history. Conservative (talk) 10:47, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
Israel Keyes. Home-schooled by his conservative family and raised in an Amish community during his formative years. [45]--GerardM (talk) 12:17, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
An Amish farm near Morristown, New York.

So far only chickens and cows have been slaughtered on the farm. No grisly murders have been committed by Amish mass murderers.

re: Israel Keys:

"The family moved to the outskirts of an Amish community in Maine when Keyes' father grew concerned that their upbringing was not rigorous enough.

"Around the age of 11 and 12, my heart turned in rebellion toward my parents: My two older sisters and I were in a kind of revolt against them. We had friends they did not like, we secretly listened to music they forbade, and we got away with as much as we could," Keyes' sister, Autumnrose, wrote in a recent testimonial about her faith on her church's website. "I've thanked God many times for my earthly father, who was a strict man. When my sins came to light by God's mercy, he pulled me away from my circumstances and moved the family to an Amish community."[46]

Questions: 1) Was Israel Keyes ever Amish or did he merely live on the outskirts of an Amish community? 2) If Israel Keyes was ever Amish, was Israel Keyes a member of the Amish community was he started his serial murders or by then was he an ex-Amish individual?


Atheist caused deaths relating to mass murders: Tens of millions

Amish caused deaths relating to mass murders: Still zero

The Amish goal tender is doing a fantastic job of preventing the atheist offense of scoring one goal in the Atheism vs. Amish mass murder match! See: Atheism and mass murder.

I hope this clarifies things for you. Conservative (talk) 12:47, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

I noticed various people, conservatives exclusively for the most part, screaming about Obama being a Muslim since he spent some of his formative years in a predominantly Muslim country. Using your methodology, why aren’t you assuming Keyes is Amish? Why aren’t you hyping his homeschooling as a contributing factor towards his murderous future? Based on the articles you post, why are you making an exception for a conservative Christian? If I were to use your methods when researching Atheist murderers, it would be simple to conclude Atheist killers do not exist.--GerardM (talk) 13:08, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
GerardM, I largely composed the article Counterexamples to Obama being a Muslim. According to my Firefox browser print preview function, the article is 4 pages long (and that includes the table of contents). Second, don't think I didn't notice that you have yet to come up with one instance of a Amish mass murderer. I did notice! Conservative (talk) 13:15, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
Not a mass murderer but Edward Gingerich was Amish and killed one person. Quite horrific by the sounds of it. JessMay (talk) 20:00, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
Sound like you're trying to invoke moral equivalence to excuse atheist mass murders (and those committed by Nazis, Communists and adherents of Islam), are you, JessMay? Incidentally, I've noticed that all you've done here since creating your account is post on talk pages and you have yet to make worthwhile edits on articles - bringing you on the brink of violating the 90/10 rule here. Northwest (talk) 00:53, 6 October 2017 (EDT)

In 1993, Edward Gingerich (1966 – January 14, 2011) was first Amish person to be convicted of a homicide. It was deemed a case of "guilty of involuntary manslaughter but mentally ill" (He had paranoid schizophrenia and killed his wife). He received a short sentence given the circumstance of him being mentally ill. Later, Gingerich appears to have been a poor, mentally ill person who was living with his attorney and he hung himself in the attorney's barn. He left a note saying "Forgive me please".

This is a very sad story.

The Amish have an exemplary history when it comes to being peaceful/nonviolent and there is nothing an atheist can say to change this matter. Conservative (talk) 01:49, 6 October 2017 (EDT)

Northwest, like all atheists, JessMay is a terrible marketer.
But to be fair, it is hard to be a good marketer when you have a terrible product. Christians have Jesus who was the creator of the beautiful Sermon on the Mount. The most famous person related to atheism right now is Richard Dawkins who is a machismo-less (see: Atheism and cowardice), flip-flopping atheist/agnostic (see: Richard Dawkins and agnosticism) who is widely seen as being a smug, condescending and unpleasant man who is quite far from being an ambassador of atheism/agnosticism.
Dawkins most definitely is frequently seen as being an abrasive jerk (see: Abrasiveness of Richard Dawkins) - especially in recent times. Atheist author and sociology professor Phil Zuckerman said of Richard Dawkins: "He is smug, condescending and emits an unpleasant disdainfulness. He doesn’t ever seem to acknowledge the good aspects of religion, only the bad. In that sense, I think he doesn’t help atheism in the PR department."[47]
In the last 10 years of so, Americans' negative views of atheists have sharpened according to survey data (see: Distrust of atheists).
And before Dawkins, Americans had Madalyn Murray O'Hair as the face of atheism and she was a mean-spirited woman who lost her debate badly with the Christian Dr. Walter Martin (see: Atheism vs. Christianity debates).
On top of this, atheism/agnosticism are lost causes and prominent atheists/agnostics are now acknowledging this matter (see: Desecularization and Atheist pessimism about the atheist movement). Conservative (talk) 08:21, 6 October 2017 (EDT)
A drive by secular leftists recently took uumbrage at Conservapedia's 09/10 rule which is a rule which merely asks that people take a token amount of time to add to articles in exchange for getting on their soapboxes on talk pages. Of course, it is hard for him to understand this rule since atheists are commonly takers and not givers (see: Atheism and charity and Atheist organizations and scandals).
In addition, Conservapedia has essay space for people to contribute original content to express their views. Wikipedia, which often brutally suppresses minority views and frequently dishes up insipid and vacuous, liberal pablum, has no essay space on their wiki. Conservative (talk) 08:47, 6 October 2017 (EDT)
According to Stephen Paddock's girlfriend, he would lie in bed screaming and moaning "Oh, my God".[48]
I now have my doubts he was an atheist.
Paddock may have been an anti-Trump rally according to a non-definitive picture. On the other hand, he was stockpiling weapons for the last 13 months.  !3 months ago was the time leading up the election. My guess is that "Trump derangement syndrome" may ultimately be the thing that put him over the edge. Conservative (talk) 16:59, 6 October 2017 (EDT)
Please see: Counterexamples that Stephan Paddock was an atheist.Conservative (talk) 17:56, 6 October 2017 (EDT)
Eh, to be fair, I've seen a few instances of atheists making the exclamation "Oh, my God" despite not actually believing in Him, or even using the term "go to Hell" despite not even believing in such a concept. For example, Olga Gurlukovich in Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty explicitly mentioned she was going to Hell at one point, yet, belonging to a mercenary group composed of Communists wanting to restore the Soviet Union, and thus due to Communism requiring militant atheism, most likely she's an atheist, she definitely shouldn't even believe in God, much less in the concept of Hell if we go by it logically. Pokeria1 (talk) 18:58, 6 October 2017 (EDT)

Interesting video: Stephen Paddock & The Beta Male Mass Shooter Profile. Conservative (talk) 19:28, 6 October 2017 (EDT)

  • Thirteen months ago was soon after the "Orlando" Pulse Nightclub shooting and before the election. My guess is that Paddock looked at Mateen's work and thought, "Hey, I can do that bigger and better." The three music festivals he targeted, Lollapalooza, Life is Beautiful, and Jason Aldean, are quite different in terms of tone and the demographic they cater to. He was competing with previous shooters for a high body count. It's safe to assume that he was a liberal. But it wasn't about Trump or partisan politics. PeterKa (talk) 00:58, 7 October 2017 (EDT)
That guys beta male killer explanation makes the most sense. These recent killers who kill in a way that they are totally shielded from harm by victims striking back (attacking children, Amish school children, elderly/homeless people or very high up with a rifle where victims cannot strike back) makes sense. The killers have rage/anger building up and are socially/emotionally dysfunctional and lacked a father figure. The killings are all about power and about rage/anger building up, bad coping skills and then the rage exploding like a volcano. Paddock's bio is pointing to him being a highly intelligent, liberal, introverted/secretive, beta male killer who was upset about the liberal orthodoxy being challenged. HERE is a Hillary Clinton favorability/unfavorability graph. HERE is a Trump favorability/unfavorability graph. Trump (and his attendant right-wing populist supporters/movement) was the right-wing alpha male who was challenging this liberal, beta male's world.
Liberals have had a lot of power since the 1960s and they are having a hard time adjusting to losing power. I have never seen anything like this. The meltdowns and rage of Trump derangement syndrome is something I have never seen before. I am not sure how much higher it is than Bush derangement syndrome. In both cases, liberals felt they were cheated out of an election victory and had a hard time coping with defeat.Conservative (talk) 03:19, 7 October 2017 (EDT)
And Trump's problems with leaks and the deep state are essentially a "revenge of the nerds (beta males)" saga. These people are not alpha male Sherman tank types going after Trump in the open. They are beta male snipers.Conservative (talk) 03:29, 7 October 2017 (EDT)

Columbus Day

Did you know Columbus was a fascist? "Antifa Group Plans Nationwide 'Deface Columbus Day' Actions for Monday." Let me try to explain history to these dopes. Fascism was an Italian nationalist movement of the 1930s and 1940s led by Mussolini. Columbus was a sailor who lived five hundred years before Mussolini. He never met a fascist, nor did he belong to any political movement that we are aware of. PeterKa (talk) 08:16, 7 October 2017 (EDT)

Here is Trump on Columbus Day. PeterKa (talk) 08:19, 7 October 2017 (EDT)