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Why Russia invaded Ukraine. Putin underestimated Ukrainian nationalism.

Russia lost 27,000,000 people in WWII. And Putin was saddened by the breakup of the Soviet Union and the rise of NATO. Also, Biden's weakening of America's oil and gas industry and his general weakness as a leader increased Russia's political leverage and it's ability to fund war. I used to think that these factors largely explained Russia's attack on Ukraine. But in retrospect, that was too simplistic. New oil and gas reserves were found in Ukraine somewhat recently and this partly explains Putin's increased interest in Ukraine (see: Why Russia is Invading Ukraine).

Left: NATO flag. Center: Azov Battalion with Nazi insignia. Right: Swastika.
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Also, Putin/Russia underestimated the power of Ukrainian nationalism because his attack on Ukraine is starting to get bogged down. I hope Russian forces continue to get bogged down and they stop their large scale invasion, but time will tell what happens. Putin's ego has grown and he surrounds himself with yes-men. In addition, Covid-19 has also increased Putin's isolation and put himself further in a cacoon/bubble. And Putin understimated Ukraine's president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, in terms of his leadership. Zelenskyy is rallying his people.

Over the long term, I think Putin/Russia swallowed a porcupine if it continues to try to control all of Ukraine. Nationalism makes being an occupier very taxing.

I hope Putin loses his conflict with Ukraine and Ukraine develops its oil and gas industry. The world needs to expand its oil and gas production (see: Is The Earth Actually Running Out Of Oil? | The Struggle For Oil).

If Putin loses this war, he's finished. His support base will not forgive him for losing a war that they thought was easily winnable, and they will demand that he be replaced by someone even more hardline. Worst case scenario is that he's replaced by a guy affiliated with Dugin, Zhirionovssky, or both. In that event, the world will immediately become a far more dangerous place.--Geopolitician (talk) 22:03, February 27, 2022 (EST)

Maybe the world needs to expand the types of places it looks for oil to further optimize oil exploration (see: Oil not always a ‘fossil fuel’). Conservative (talk) 11:00, February 27, 2022 (EST)

There is a lot of propaganda and/or ideologically tainted coverage coming out of major news outlets. For example, Ukraine is being called a democracy by many liberal/leftist mainstream news outlets and Fox News. But even the liberal leaning The Economist indicates that UKraine is a hybrid government that is a hybrid between a democracy and an authoritarian regime.[1] Conservative (talk) 16:32, February 27, 2022 (EST)
You've been brainwashed by MSM. Putin invaded Ukraine precisely because of Ukrainian nationalism. Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 16:39, February 27, 2022 (EST)
See also: Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists#CrowdStrike
Donald Trump: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike I guess you have one of your wealthy people… The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you’re surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it’s very important that you do it if that’s possible.

President Zelenskyy: Yes it is very important for me and everything that you just mentioned earlier. For me as a President, it is very important and we are open for any future cooperation. We are ready to open a new page on cooperation in relations between the United States and Ukraine. For that purpose, I just recalled our ambassador from United States and he will be replaced by a very competent and very experienced ambassador who will work hard on making sure that our two nations are getting closer. I would also like and hope to see him having your trust and your confidence and have personal relations with you so we can cooperate even more so. I will personally tell you that one of my assistants spoke with Mr. Giuliani just recently and we are hoping very much that Mr. Giuliani will be able to travel to Ukraine and we will meet once he comes to Ukraine. I just wanted to assure you once again that you have nobody but friends around us. I will make sure that I surround myself with the best and most experienced people. I also wanted to tell you that we are friends. We are great friends and you Mr. President have friends in our country so we can continue our strategic partnership. I also plan to surround myself with great people and in addition to that investigation, I guarantee as the President of Ukraine that all the investigations will be done openly and candidly. That I can assure you.

RobSLet's Go Brandon! 16:50, February 27, 2022 (EST)
Zelensky is a globalist Soros stooge, installed by Victoria Nuland ("f** the EU") and the corrupt Obama State Department. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 16:52, February 27, 2022 (EST)
"I hope Putin loses his conflict with Ukraine" So you hope the globalists and their Ukrainian neo-Nazi allies win, again. The crap about Putin wanting to re-create the Soviet Union and Russian glory is neocan globalist caca. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 17:02, February 27, 2022 (EST)
Here are the two treaties Russia presented in December, rejected out of hand by Blinken, Biden, Jake Sullivan, and NATO:
The goals of these two treaties will be met before the war is over - that, plus the dismemberment of Ukraine, Ukrainian recognition of the Crimean Annexation, and recognition of the independent Republics of Luhansk and Donetsk.
Read Samuel Huntington's Clash of Civilizations section on Ukraine, prophetically excerpted here: Near abroad. Russian policy and military thinking has not changed one iota since Huntington recapped it in 1997. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 17:15, February 27, 2022 (EST)
This map of where the fighting occurs confirms what the Russian general that Huntington quoted: "Eastern Ukraine will come back in five, ten or fifteen years. Western Ukraine can go to hell! "
Western neocon globalist neo-nazi Ukraine will survive - it never was threatened, and Putin does not have intentions to absorb it, despite what leftist MSM has spewed for months. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 17:48, February 27, 2022 (EST)
Globalists wanted this war. Russian sanctions are intended to get us out of our cars and transition to a green economy. That's why they rejected Russian diplomatic overtures. And Biden thinks it's a win by dividing Patriots and Republicans and blaming inflation on Putin for the midterms. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 17:33, February 27, 2022 (EST)
Back in the real world, of course, the Saudis will enjoy the oil price bonanza for a bit & then open the taps to cushion the systemic shock. Current price trends would make US shale extraction wildly profitable again, and they definitely don't want that. ConwayIII (talk) 17:51, February 27, 2022 (EST)
What about home heating fuel for Germans? How long do you think Germans will keep goosestepping to the NATO agenda? RobSLet's Go Brandon! 17:52, February 27, 2022 (EST)
My man, Scholz just announced a mahoosive increase in defence spending to wild applause across (almost all of) the German political spectrum. They're finally making serious noises about the need to diversify away from Russian gas. Strategically, Putin's screwed the pooch on this one. NATO's reinvigorated & more united than I remember it since the fall of the Wall. ConwayIII (talk) 18:46, February 27, 2022 (EST)
It can also mean they are finally diversifying away from being a U.S. protectorate. Who cares what voices "across the political spectrum" think or say? It's what the people who pay heating bills and fill gas tanks think. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 18:52, February 27, 2022 (EST)
BTW, it's illegal to display a swastika in Germany, yet German taxpayers are now giving weapons to neo-Nazis. Looks like a scandal in the making. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 18:54, February 27, 2022 (EST)
No, it doesn't. Germany has plenty of neo-Nazis of its own and no-one imagines that makes modern Germany a Nazi regime, neo- or otherwise. ConwayIII (talk) 19:22, February 27, 2022 (EST)

I am not a fan of Putin or Zelenskyy.

And I don't think this war would have started in Donald Trump were still the President of the USA. Trump would have kept USA oil and gas production high which would have weakened Putin and Trump intentionally kept the possible US responses to Putin's aggressions ambiguous/unpredictable. The anti-tank missiles that Ukraine is using against Russian tanks were not sent by Obama, but were sent by Trump.

Both the West/Ukraine and Putin mismanaged their foreign policy. This was a preventable war. The West made some mistakes (see: Vladimir Pozner: How the United States Created Vladimir Putin and Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer and John J Mearsheimer: The Great Delusion). And as I noted, Putin understimated Ukrainian nationalism/resistance. Putin also underestimated the resolve of NATO as evidenced by Germany now willing to help arm Ukrainians and forbidding the Russians from using the Swift payment system.

I hope the war ends soon for humanitarian reasons. In addition, now that the pandemic is lessoning in its potency and inflation is rising in much of the world, it would be nice if gasoline and jet fuel comes down. Conservative (talk) 18:43, February 27, 2022 (EST)

Interesting point about Mearsheimer: When Biden said, "China is gonna eat our lunch? C'mon, man." Evidently he was responding to Mearsheimer, not Trump as reported. Give Biden a little more credit for being intellectually curious and informed, but it is also more evidence that Biden "has been wrong about every major foreign policy issue for the past forty years." RobSLet's Go Brandon! 18:49, February 27, 2022 (EST)
Two reasons. The first is fuel/economics. Large reserves of natural gas have this century been found in the Ukrainian economic zone in the northwest Black Sea between Odessa and Crimea. Taking Crimea gave Russia about 20 percent of these reserves but the rest lay in Ukrainian hands. Add this to the fact that Russia intends to stop using the Ukrainian pipeline wold mean the they could set up a huge petro-chemical industry themselves rivaling Russia. The second is Geography. 30 years ago NATO was relatively comfortably tucked away on the western side of The Carpathian Mountains and The Balkans with only 250 miles of The European Plain to guard in Germany. Now NATO is on it's doorstep and a NATO aligned Ukraine would put them within a few hundred miles of Russia's major oil reserves which takes us back to point one. They feel and are vulnerable.--AndreD (talk) 18:55, February 27, 2022 (EST)
Odessa, I believe should remain Ukraine's outlet to the sea (kinda like the Polish Corridor). Crimea however, is not going back (not unless Westerners want to glow in the dark). It's ridiculous now that the West wants to hang another Iron Curtain across Europe and around Russia until this generation dies off. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 19:09, February 27, 2022 (EST)
The hardliners within Putin's support base want not just Odessa, but the entire Ukrainian coast. They want the western rump state to be completely landlocked.--Geopolitician (talk) 22:03, February 27, 2022 (EST)
Unless oil extraction/exploration technology increases to a very large degree or unexpected very large oil fields are found, Russia is going to gain in economic power in the next 20 years due to the developing world using more oil. But long term, Russia has an aging population that is going to shrink in size. That will limit its option to engage in military actions as it could have a smaller military. Maybe Putin is worried about the Russian military weakening in the future, so he attacked Ukraine now. Conservative (talk) 19:03, February 27, 2022 (EST)
There is logic in that certainly.--AndreD (talk) 19:07, February 27, 2022 (EST)
40% of the Russian military now are Muslims with a higher birthrate. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 19:09, February 27, 2022 (EST)
But as Whoopi Goldberg says, it's white people killing white people so who cares? RobSLet's Go Brandon! 19:15, February 27, 2022 (EST)
Two reasons why the liberal/leftist press and the Democrats hate Putin/Russia is due to Wikileaks getting dirt on Hillary during the 2016 being blamed on the Russians (The press and the Democrats blame Russian hackers giving Wikileaks the dirt on Hillary) and due to Putin's/Russian anti-gay sentiments. But Hillary ran a very bad campaign (She never went to Michigan, the Clinton Foundation was very corrupt, etc.) and much of Africa/Middle East/SouthEast Asia has anti-gay sentiments/laws. And much of the populace in Latin America disparages homosexuality due to Latin American machismo culture. Conservative (talk) 19:27, February 27, 2022 (EST)
The "Eurasian Balkans" issue is bigger than either of those other factors for the foreign policy elites who are dictating things behind the scenes.--Geopolitician (talk) 22:03, February 27, 2022 (EST)
It was Ukrainian nationalists who invented the Russia hacking and Trump-Russia conspiracy theories. It was a Ukrainian nationalist who leaked the Zelensky phone call leading to Trump's impeachment when the Mueller Report failed. The four years of Trump interrupted the globalist agenda after the Maidan coup. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 19:35, February 27, 2022 (EST)
  • 3 May 2016. Evidence of DNC collusion with Ukraine to dig up dirt on Trump campaign:
From: Chalupa, Ali

Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 11:56 PM
To: Miranda, Luis
Subject: Re: You saw this, right?

A lot more coming down the pipe. I spoke to a delegation of 68 investigative journalists from Ukraine last Wednesday at the Library of Congress - the Open World Society's forum - they put me on the program to speak specifically about Paul Manafort and I invited Michael Isikoff whom I've been working with for the past few weeks and connected him to the Ukrainians. More offline tomorrow since there is a big Trump component you and Lauren need to be aware of that will hit in next few weeks and something I'm working on you should be aware of.

Since I started digging into Manafort these messages have been a daily occurrence on my yahoo account despite changing my password often:

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Sent from my iPhone

On May 3, 2016, at 10:50 PM, Miranda, Luis <MirandaL@dnc.org<mailto:MirandaL@dnc.org>> wrote:

http://www.politifact.com/global-news/article/2016/may/02/paul-manafort-donald-trumps-top-adviser-and-his-ti/

<http://www.democrats.org/>[SigDems]<http://www.democrats.org/><http://www.democrats.org/>Luis Miranda, Communications Director
Democratic National Committee

202-863-8148 - MirandaL@dnc.org<mailto:MirandaL@dnc.org> - @MiraLuisDC<https://www.twitter.com/MiraLuisDC>[2]

Alexandra Chalupa, a Ukrainian nationalist and chair of the Democratic National Committee Ethnic Outreach Committee, received "dirt" from the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington on Paul Manafort. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 19:50, February 27, 2022 (EST)

Manafort was never convicted of "colluding with Russia" - he was convicted on unrelated tax charges from 2008. But the government of Ukraine colluded with the DNC to interfere in U.S. elections with false information about "Trump colluding with Russia" to aid Hillary Clinton and stop Donald Trump. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 19:59, February 27, 2022 (EST)

As Professor John J. Mearsheimer says and I will paraphrase, "Europe is a museum that is not making babies anymore. America needs to pivot to East Asia." The Germans, French and other Europeans need to better handle the Ukranian/Russia problem. Conservative (talk) 20:07, February 27, 2022 (EST)
Bottomline: Ukranian nationalists hate Russians with a xenophobic hatred, and will go to extremes to involve the U.S. in their wars. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 20:03, February 27, 2022 (EST)

By contrast, the Russians do not reciprocate the hatred as Israelis do not reciprocate the hatred for Palestinians that Palestinian extremists have for Jews. Both Russians and Jews were victims of fascists, and fascists among Ukrainians and Palestinians use the same insignia right now to intimidate their targets and express their hatred. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 20:09, February 27, 2022 (EST)

We have witnessed this week on MSM the fanatical hatred Ukrainians have, handed generation to generation, of Russians. And this inter-generational xenophobia is hailed as something honorable. We should have serious, serious concern about our own media, political trends, and culture. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 20:16, February 27, 2022 (EST)

The MSM and liberal hegenomy are waning. Newspapers and liberal colleges closing and the rise of right-wing news outlets and websites was the first major sign. Brexit and the election of Donald Trump and other right-wing leaders around the world was the second wave showing that liberal hegenomy is ending. The fall of Afghanistan to the anti-feminist Taliban was the third major sign. And Biden and NATO's inability to prevent Russia from attacking Ukraine was a fourth major sign. The next major sign will be the Democrats being slaughtered in the 2022 midterm elections. Conservative (talk) 20:29, February 27, 2022 (EST)
Bull. The global fascist alliance is fighting back. They illegally removed Trump. They've divided American Patriots with anti-Putin rhetoric and Big Tech censorship. You yourself said you wished Putin would lose and global fascist Ukraine survive. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 20:31, February 27, 2022 (EST)
Professor John J. Mearsheimer of the realist school of international relations says that if Russia attacks and tries to control Ukraine it would be foolhardy and it would be like Russia swallowing a porcupine. Mearsheimer predicted that Ukrainian nationalism would stymie Russian attempts to conquer Ukraine and be a big problem for Russia. Mearsheimer also indicated that American/European efforts to put NATO on Russia's doorstep would be a spark conflict which it did. In addition, Ukraine's current president called Putin a "schizophrenic midget" before Putin's large scale invasion of Ukraine. If you bait a gorilla or Russian bear long enough, he is going to pound/maul you. Putin is now pounding/mauling Ukraine. Conservative (talk) 20:47, February 27, 2022 (EST)
Even Wikipedia cannot hide this level of propaganda. Read their articles on the "Revolution of Dignity" and the "Heavenly Hundred". Then read about the "Right" or "Pravy Sektor", [3] which was deeply involved in "protecting democracy" on behalf of the U.S.-backed coup plotters. Pravy Sektor is only one such group (also, Putin, the Antifascist, is the hero). RobSLet's Go Brandon! 20:57, February 27, 2022 (EST)
Failing powers/regimes may have some victories during their general trend of going down. It is like a failing country winning some battles on their way to losing a war. Nevertheless, the Democrats are going to be slaughtered in the midterm elections and Donald Trump might well be reelected given the current unpopularity of Biden/Harris and the Democrats losing many of their voters. Conservative (talk) 21:01, February 27, 2022 (EST)
Putin is not trying to "conquer Ukraine" (more MSM propaganda). He sent peacekeepers into Donbas. Western Ukraine can go to hell.
Biden will blame inflation on Putin, and people it seems will be stupid enough to believe it. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 21:06, February 27, 2022 (EST)

America blames inflation on Biden and will continue to do so. When you are the president of the United States, people naturally blame the current state of the union on you. Inflation is a tough beast to conquer and inflation may continue during the length of Biden's presidency. Conservative (talk) 21:17, February 27, 2022 (EST)

Biden is a corrupt authoritarian. I am never going to root for Putin as a general policy. I hope Putin gets bogged down in Ukraine or is forced to leave and this helps him to lose power. But Putin is a popular nationalist leader in Russia who controls the Russian media and Russian standards of living after the fall of the Soviet Union improved during Putin's regime due to oil/gas sales. So it is probably unlikely that Putin will lose power anytime soon. Conservative (talk) 21:23, February 27, 2022 (EST)
So what could derail a GOP red wave?
  • Conservatives aligning with globalists to condemn Putin;
  • US Freedom Convoy walking into a false flag with Biden, like Trudeau, declaring martial law;
  • Putin blamed for inflation and economic ruin (as a result of sanctions) for Biden's economic agenda.
RobSLet's Go Brandon! 23:35, February 27, 2022 (EST)
Biden's approval numbers are starting to go in the 30s and the Russia/Ukraine conflict is going to drive up the price of gasoline/oil/natural gas. Nothing is going to stop a red wave in 2022. Conservative (talk) 00:15, February 28, 2022 (EST)
He's effectively divided Republicans, Patriots, and conservatives and made Mitt Romney a hero. The Russia-Ukraine crisis transfers the cost of the Build Back Better climate change agenda from COVID-19 to Russia/Ukraine. We can now watch COVID just disappear. The BBB agenda, domestically known as the Green New Deal, intentionally makes energy costs skyrocket. By creating the Ukraine crisis, gas prices specifically are no longer blamed on COVID-19 (the original fraudulent justification). Gas prices are now rising because of Russia and the villainous Vladimir Putin. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 00:24, February 28, 2022 (EST)
And they did this by having Biden, Blinken, and Sullivan saying "Nyet nyet nyet nyet nyet" everytime the Russians tried to negotiate over the past 3 months. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 00:33, February 28, 2022 (EST)
The liberals/leftists have been winning for about 60 years and they have received a greater amount of ideological indoctrination in the US educational system. So they have a strong penchant to doubling down. So there was no real negotiation with Gorbachev/Yeltsin/Putin post fall of the Soviet Union (History repeats itself. The Germans were treated with contempt after WWI). And there will be no course correction before the 2022 midterm elections due to liberal/leftists hubris/intransigence. And post 2022 midterm shellacking, there may be no Bill Clinton/Dick Morris triangulation/moderation strategy so the Democrats could continue to lose elections for a fairly long period until they finally sober up. Alternatively, the Republicans could grow complacent. Conservative (talk) 00:59, February 28, 2022 (EST)
The Republicans are already brainwashed by going along with anti-Putin anti-Russian sentiment to justify globalist sanctions on Russia, which will only cause more economic hardship to ourselves (Hunter Biden and Pops won't be affected). RobSLet's Go Brandon! 01:08, February 28, 2022 (EST)

Trump masterfully handled Putin in a lot of ways. Trump helped cranked up USA oil/gas production to weaken Putin. On the other hand, he stroked post Soviet Russia's/Putin's craving for respect by calling Putin smart, etc. and saying it would be great if Russia/America had better relations.Conservative (talk) 01:22, February 28, 2022 (EST)

Trump Sec. of State Rex Tillerson made Putin. Tillerson represented Exxon and Putin represented Russia in the 1996 Sakhalin I deal; Putin went on to be President of Russia and Tillerson President of Exxon. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 03:01, February 28, 2022 (EST)

Update: Here's one 'Ukrainian nationalist' Putin underestimated. [4] RobSLet's Go Brandon! 20:09, April 5, 2022 (EDT)

Scenario 1

At the start, the Russians said the advance would continue to March 2, at which point they would reassess. This pause likely will coincide with the negotiations on the Belarus border. This map which shows two Russian columns about to meet up, cutting off and leaving AUF forces and civilian terrorists armed by the Kyiv regime trapped inside. Fighting is ongoing inside the city of Kharkiv. The mayor of Kyiv says encirclement is complete, however this is unconfirmed.

If the negotiators, likely a battlefield commander from the Russian side and who knows from Kyiv regime (possibly a high-ranking political person and not even a military commander), a temporary ceasefire could occur countrywide, with AFU forces and civilian terrorists allowed to withdraw PROVIDED they surrender their weapons by a certain deadline within days. The Kyiv regime must order their withdrawal. After that, any AUF resisters or civilian terrorists and paramilitary trapped inside the Eastern encirclement will be arrested and tried. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 23:51, February 27, 2022 (EST)

Update on ceasefire talks. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 18:15, February 28, 2022 (EST)
Looks like the neo-Nazi outpost of Mariupol will be pounded to rubble [5] while encirclement of Kharkiv and Kyiv continues. Too bad, Zelensky could have prevented all this. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 18:17, February 28, 2022 (EST)
As several commentators pointed out, How long did it take for US forces to capture Baghdad? If you follow and listen to MSM that declared the Russian advance a failure after 2 days for not taking Kyiv, you are an idiot. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 18:21, February 28, 2022 (EST)
Update: Mariupol encirclement complete (next 24 hrs could be fairly quiet compared to yesterday). Much NATO surveillance on Kaliningrad (home of INF missiles since the US withdrew from the INF treaty and based nukes on the Polish border). RobSLet's Go Brandon! 05:23, March 1, 2022 (EST)

Scenario 2

It's unlikely any countrywide political or military settlement will be discussed until conditions in Scenario 1 are met. NATO smuggling more weapons into the country after the Kyiv regime agrees to disarming and withdrawing AFU forces in Eastern Ukraine creates a larger problem. So unless Kyiv is prepared to comply with the Russian demands in Scenario 1, they may as well not show up. They know that, and so does everyone else. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 00:04, February 28, 2022 (EST)

Report: 12 AFU brigades trapped in the Eastern Ukraine cauldron, low on fuel and ammunition. Russian military doctrine would demand their disarmament before being allowed to withdraw. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 13:12, March 5, 2022 (EST)

Scenario 3

NATO provokes an attack on a NATO member by weapons smuggling. This could occur through multiple avenues, for example cargo ships in the Black Sea. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 18:18, March 1, 2022 (EST)

Ongoing NATO weapons smuggling appears to be across the Polish border and possibly Slovakia. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 13:14, March 5, 2022 (EST)
Romania harbors Ukrainian aircraft seeking to hide. If a Ukrainian fighter jet or transport aircraft reenters Ukrainian airspace from Romania, this will be regarded as a NATO attack on Russian forces. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 17:03, March 6, 2022 (EST)

Scenario 4

Thanks to the influx of al-Qaeda-linked jihadists from Syria (and perhaps to a lesser extent the migrants Lukashenko imported into Belarus) an ISIS-like entity forms within Ukraine. This ISIS-like entity conducts attacks on the NATO countries bordering Ukraine (Hungary, Poland, Romania, and Slovakia), giving NATO a casus belli to intervene in Ukraine.--Geopolitician (talk) 20:21, March 5, 2022 (EST)

According to this article, Ukraine as a safe haven for jihadists, dated 2020-11-19,
After the fall of a self-proclaimed caliphate in Syria dozens of thousands of foreign fighters fighting in the ranks of Islamic State or ISIS disappeared....Ukraine is attracting Islamic State militants seeking asylum after losing territories in Syria and Iraq. The country is a good place to hide...
RobSLet's Go Brandon! 11:25, March 15, 2022 (EDT)

Scenario 5

  • U.S. begins propaganda campaign alleging that Russia is plotting a chemical weapons attack;
  • Lindsey Graham declares he would support a no-fly zone if the Russians stage a chemical weapons attack;
  • U.S. and allies along with the Kyiv regime stage a false flag chemical weapons attack;
  • Biden imposes a unilateral no-fly zone under the guise of NATO (the US is the only NATO power with the ability to impose and enforce a no-fly zone};
  • With Lindsey Graham's consent, Biden complies with the U.S. constitutional mandate to act with the "advise and consent" of Congress;
  • World War III commences.

This apparently is Plan B, being that the effort to get Poland to begin World War III by flying MIGs into Ukraine failed. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 22:01, March 14, 2022 (EDT)

Alternatively, having failed to provoke confrontation through Poland, NATO and the US turn to Slovakia to transfer S-300 missile system to Ukraine. It's probably a mistake by NATO to continue telegraphing their intentions to Moscow and the world while they lurch daily from solution to solution to a crisis of their own making. You can be sure Moscow (which historically is tight-lipped in military matters) gamed-out all contingencies before Feb. 24, 2022. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 22:45, March 18, 2022 (EDT)

Scenario 6

The CCP lends military assistance (as the CIA alleges) to the Russian Federation by implementing its plan for PLA Total Information Warfare, exploding an EMP over the continental United States as a pretext to its invasion of Taiwan, and in the process kills 150 million Americans. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 06:21, March 15, 2022 (EDT)

Note: the death of 150 million Americans would not happen instantaneously. Most would be by starvation as result of destruction of the power grid which would destroy refrigeration in homes and groceries stores. That, coupled with food shortages as result of lingering supply chain shortages from the covid bioweapon attack, and reciprocal sanctions by Russia on fertilizers at the start of the growing season. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 11:34, March 15, 2022 (EDT)
Side note: Now, if ordinary people like you or me can understand these simple scenarios and facts, why can't Jake Sullivan, Victoria Nuland, Joe Biden or Kamala Harris understand it? In the cases of Harris and Biden they are just to stupid or senile, but what about the rest of the crew? RobSLet's Go Brandon! 11:40, March 15, 2022 (EDT)

Scenario 7

Plan C: NATO widens the war outside Ukraine by attacking Belarus, looking for retaliatory strike from Belarus to invoke Article 5, having failed with Plan A (Polish MIGs) & Plan B (No-fly zone). RobSLet's Go Brandon! 19:31, March 16, 2022 (EDT)

Ukraine is about to become the next Syria

With the conflict about to expand to include rival Chechen clans fighting on both sides... [6]--Geopolitician (talk) 23:19, March 3, 2022 (EST) On a similar note, I expect there to be rival neo-Nazi groups to soon fighting on both sides as well. So it may actually end up being worse than Syria.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:22, March 3, 2022 (EST)

I don't think there's any organized Nazi groups in Russia. It's illegal, like in Germany. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 08:54, March 4, 2022 (EST)
Oh, there definitely are organized Nazi groups in Russia. Although many if not most of them profess non-Hitlerian forms of Nazism such as Strasserism or National Bolshevism. As for the groups which are Hitlerian, the vast majority of those groups are headed not by native Russians but by Richard Spencer types who living in Russia as expats. These people side with Russia rather than Ukraine because (1) they believe the US is controlled by an international Jewish conspiracy; and (2) they see Putin's crackdown on the Yeltsin-era oligarchs as evidence that Russia is no longer controlled by said international Jewish conspriacy, and thus see Putin as their best bet for ushering in a Fourth Reich.
These people are larger in number but significantly less coherent than the Azov Batallion. Should they go into Ukraine they would almost certainly function as independent mercenaries as opposed to actual divisions of the Russian military.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:07, March 4, 2022 (EST)
In Syria, Russia was merciless in aerial bombing. We haven't seen that in Ukraine. Ukraine, for all its hype, is a war of limited aims. And those aims are clear: not to incorporate into the Russian Federation, but bring it back into the Russian spheres (with reframed borders) so that another U.S. backed coup against democracy (and Ukraine's democratically elected president in a direct election) does not occur as happened in 2014. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 18:55, March 4, 2022 (EST)
I brought up Syria because of the Chechen militias, not because of Russia's military tactics. On one side we have Kadyrov's forces fighting for Russia. And on the other side we will soon see al-Qaeda-affiliated Chechen militias coming in from Syria and other terrorist hot spots.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:07, March 4, 2022 (EST)
Personally, I would be more worried about the al-Qaeda-affiliated Chechen militias than any other group fighting over there. Because under the right conditions they could take over large parts of Ukraine, and then we would have an ISIS-like entity right on the border with either Russia, NATO, or both. And from there Eastern Europe would undergo its own version of the terrorism crisis the US and Western Europe endured in 2015, 2016, and 2017.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:07, March 4, 2022 (EST)
The Siege of Kyiv is turning into more like the Siege of Leningrad. It's not going to be like the Battle of Berlin. You can't eat a NATO-supplied Javelin anti-anti missile when you are starving. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 22:34, March 4, 2022 (EST)

Update: Mariopul is cut off, electricity cutoff, shelling begins. Ita appears the Azov battalion is cut off. Mariopul will be taken street by street. (Drinking water will become a problem soon, which would be the only hope to end fighting before street fighting). RobSLet's Go Brandon! 22:36, March 4, 2022 (EST)

Update: Vinnitsa airfield bombed. [7] This will prevent NATO smuggling weapons into Ukraine. Background and significance of Vinnitsa: William L. Shirer's book, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich claimed Hitler's 1943 visit to Vinnitsa - his furthest personal advance into the Soviet Union - was to take personal frontline command because he didn't trust his generals. Shirer's book stood as a definitive account for nearly 3 decades, until Solzhenitsyn's book. Hitler went to Vinnitsa to personally inspect a mass grave, buried in the town square so that everyone in town would see it and know it, of 12,000 Ukrainian nationalist resistance fighters buried there in the 1920s by the Lenin regime. Such were the terror tactics of the early Soviet leaders, why Ukrainians collaborated with Nazis, and another reason why the lingering hatred by Ukrainians of Russians. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 23:33, March 6, 2022 (EST)

Personally, I think Khrushchev's unilateral handing over the Crimea to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was an attempt at reconciliation and to mollify Ukrainian fears of Russians. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 00:27, March 7, 2022 (EST)

Breaking: Chechen woriors in Ukraine brought in to deal with NATO-backed ISIS jihadis. Ewwww, this is beginning to look nasty. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 02:54, March 14, 2022 (EDT)

India

What's next, the Biden junta wants regime change in the world's largest democracy? It's amazing how war hysteria causes things to spin out of control. That link gets to nub of the matter - this is about weapon sales competition for the military industrial complex.

The United States, and the racist scum in the White House, cannot dictate to India who its allies should be. And the people of India, mostly people of color, see this and interpret this for exactly what it is - racism and white supremacy. Threatening India with sanctions is hypocrisy. It flies in the face of exactly what the Biden junta and NATO claim is the purpose of them supplying weapons to Ukrainian Nazis, "each country is free to choose its own allies". RobSLet's Go Brandon! 21:16, March 4, 2022 (EST)

Sanctioning India would also be a catastrophic strategic blunder. Just as sanctioning Russia has prevented the Quad from becoming a Quint, sanctioning India would reduce the Quad to a Tri.--Geopolitician (talk) 20:41, March 5, 2022 (EST)
WION just had a good report on that. And the Pakistani PM just told the EU and US to go to hell. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 00:37, March 7, 2022 (EST)
In the case of Pakistan, they are holding out for more nuclear blackmail money. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 15:46, March 7, 2022 (EST)

Pre-emptive warfare in the face of possible WMDs

Perhaps the best way to describe Russia's decision to invade Ukraine is that it was a decision to launch pre-emptive warfare in the face of possible WMDs. After all, the invasion came just two days after Zelensky stated that Ukraine may obtain nuclear weapons (for possible use against Russia) in response to Putin's recognition of Donetsk and Luhansk, and Putin explicitly stated that this threat was a factor in his decision to invade.

In an earlier post I stated that Putin was setting what could be a dangerous precedent with this move, citing the nuclear prorgams of Iran and Pakistan and how Israel and India respectively could respond to them (in hindsight I should've brought up North Korea's nuclear program plus Japan and South Korea's potential responses as well). However, I now realize I overlooked something. That precedent already existed even before the invasion began. It's called "Iraq." Putin didn't set this precedent; our own neocons did. Russia just happens to be first country other than the US itself to invoke this precedent. Does that make Putin in the right? Not really, because not all precedents are good. But it does however make the neocons in Washington a bunch of hypocrites for objecting to the invasion.

But once again, we need to ask ourselves: how should Israel, India, Japan, and South Korea respond to Putin's affirmation of this neocon-set precedent?--Geopolitician (talk) 20:41, March 5, 2022 (EST)

The war is not a sudden thing. It's been in the making for two decades now since the Baltic states accession to NATO, was scheduled for 2017 after the Maidan coup when the Donbas war heated up in 2015, it was hatched as a plan to retake Crimea with US assistance under the Hillary Clinton regime, delayed and interrupted by Trump's election 2016, and continued when Biden seized power. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 15:53, March 7, 2022 (EST)

Orban kills Ukraine's EU/NATO chances

Viktor Orban's government in Hungary has made it very clear that it will not cooperate with Ukraine in any way aside from the ongoing refugee crisis caused by Russia's invasion of the latter country. The central reason behind this position is the nationalist language laws adopted by Ukraine in the aftermath of the Maidan coup, which Orban maintains unfairly discriminates against Hungarian minority populations living in Ukraine's Zakarpatska Oblast. We can thus expect Hungary to block any efforts to include Ukraine into the EU and/or NATO as long as (a) Orban remains in office; and (b) the aforementioned language laws are repealed.[8]--Geopolitician (talk) 21:02, March 5, 2022 (EST)

The West is ignoring Sun Tzu in the Ukraine/Russia conflict

"Sean Illing: I can’t help but think of that Sun Tzu line about “building your opponent a golden bridge to retreat across” and given the stakes and the asymmetries here, that seems like an important piece of wisdom.

William Wohlforth: Yeah, and nobody’s seeing that bridge right now, partly because we’re all reacting in real time. Sanctions have been put on without any statement about what would it take to end them. Personally, if I were running a foreign policy, I would be very clear about the conditions. I’d signal to Putin, “If you withdraw your forces in Ukraine, all of this comes to an end immediately.” I’ve not heard that statement yet.

People are right to worry about backing Russia too much into a corner. That’s why this diplomacy has to combine pain with potential reward if they take an offer. There has to be some kind of inducement to entering into negotiations. That’s the only way forward. We have to put things on the table in order to avoid a truly hopeless situation."[9] Conservative (talk) 05:35, March 7, 2022 (EST)

In an age when there is increased economic interdependency, tight national budgets, increased global information about corruption/scandals, and just in time production, war/corruption has become increasingly unpopular. So the reason why there is no golden bridge for Putin is that the Western powers and other countries want regime change in Russia. Putin has worn out the patience of Western leaders and the world. Conservative (talk) 10:12, March 7, 2022 (EST)
Russia has not put any sanctions on yet; they are waiting for the West sanctions to really start destroying itself through inflation and food shortages, then they'll start a sanctions regime of their own. Maybe this time the West won't snicker and laugh when Putin again proposes a Yalta II Summit for the new post-New World Order.. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 08:57, April 1, 2022 (EDT)

Thermobaric bomb

NATO smuggling of MANPADS and anti-tank weapons (some 17,000 so far) in Ukraine is why (1) Russia has not engaged in intense aerial bombing (2) keeping armored columns from entering cities. After the evacuation of civilians from cities, this will cause Russia to use thermobaric bombs. [10][11] Forget all your Western propaganda. There will be no negotiated settlement, coup, assassination, etc etc until Russian demands are met to demilitarize Ukraine, repeal the constitutional amendment desiring to join NATO, recognition of the Crimean Annexation, and recognition of the independence of the Donbas Republics. The only impediment to prevent these objectives from happening is nuclear war provoked by NATO. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 20:11, March 7, 2022 (EST)

Who cares what a globalist regime that supports the homosexual agenda, has been busted purveying fake news and can't fix its own pot holes thinks?

MPR says "What thew MSM isn't telling you" Why do we have MSM fake news on MPR and bury factual reporting the real situation in Ukraine? RobSLet's Go Brandon! 21:16, March 7, 2022 (EST)

Russia is not doing well in this war. And even if Russia were to win this war, it doesn't have the manpower to hold the land. The world order in terms of powerful countries goes up and down in terms of countries ranking. Russia, which was formerly ranked the 3rd most powerful country, is going to decline and Germany which many consider the 4rth most powerful country is going to go up in ranking and become #3.[12] And to my surprise, Germany is now rearming.Conservative (talk)
By the way, Iran doesn't like homosexuality. That doesn't mean I am going to be a fan of the Iranian regime. Conservative (talk)
You are brainwashed by MSM globalist propaganda in the fog of war. Readers want close to real time, valid, actual situation reports from on the ground, which they do not get from MSM BS you post up. And the link about the Ukrops giving up nukes is two week old stale news, clouding actual situation reports. 02:01, March 8, 2022 (EST)
I like governments/countries with a lot of freedom, that care for their citizens, have fiscal responsibility, have high standards of living, are peaceful with its neighbors and other countries and have low corruption. Switzerland is way up there. Russia isn't. Conservative (talk) 02:16, March 8, 2022 (EST)
If you think Russia is a great country with great leadership, I have one suggestion: Lay off the vodka! Conservative (talk) 02:23, March 8, 2022 (EST)
Russia does not fight wars the way the US does. It has its own military doctrine. All this garbage you hear from "experts" and "analysts" is pure Western propaganda. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 02:56, March 8, 2022 (EST)
Here is a very brief lay person's explanation (time prompted) of the difference between US and Russian military doctrine. [13] RobSLet's Go Brandon! 03:04, March 8, 2022 (EST)
If Putin ain't doing so good, (a) why does Zelensky keep begging for more help? why did the US just offer to evacuate him again? RobSLet's Go Brandon! 06:54, March 8, 2022 (EST)
Reports are coming. Looks like the Russians had a pretty good day yesterday (early on I didn't think it really did look so good). What is overlooked in the West is the Russian perspective - they did not "start a war"; they went into Ukraine to end a war that killed 14,000 over the past 8 years. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 07:44, March 8, 2022 (EST)

Russia will never hold the entire country. The best they will probably do is hold ethnic Russian areas in the East part of Ukraine. They have bitten off more than they can chew and have gotten themselves into a quagmire. Given that Russia's population is expected to shrink, getting involved in ambitious military adventures that require long-term, large amounts of military manpower is foolish. Conservative (talk) 09:59, March 8, 2022 (EST)

"A man's got to know his limitations". - Inspector Harry Callahan (Dirty Harry), the movie Magnum Force (1973), character played by Clint Eastwood.

Vladimir Putin doesn't know his limitations. Nor does he know the limitations of his country. Conservative (talk) 10:05, March 8, 2022 (EST)

Right there: "Russia will never hold the entire country" you just proved you are the victim of globalist propaganda. Vladimir Putin does not want to hold the entire country. See Conservapedia Proven Right. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 12:22, March 8, 2022 (EST)
If one wants to get a good picture of what Russia actually wants to hold, look to Aleksandr Dugin's Foundations of Geopolitics, which is essentially to Russian foreign policy elites what Brzezinski's The Grand Chessboard is to ours. This map here shows what Russia wants "in a nutshell."--Geopolitician (talk) 12:46, March 8, 2022 (EST)
Essentially, Russia wants the following:
  • Abkhazia (the rest of Georgia either becomes a puppet state or is annexed by Iran)
  • All Balkan territories where Orthodox Christianity is the majority religion
  • All Azerbaijani territory north of the Caucasus Mountains (the rest of Azerbaijan either becomes a puppet state or is partitioned between Armenia and
Iran)
  • All of Belarus
  • All of Central Asia
  • All of Finland
  • All of Moldova
  • All of Mongolia
  • All of Romania
  • All Ukrainian territory east of the Dnieper River, plus Odessa and Ukrainian Bukovina (the rest of Ukraine becomes a puppet state)
Additionally, Russia is interested in giving some territory away as peace offerings to some of its historic enemies. Namely, it is interested in giving Kaliningrad back to Germany and the Kurile Islands back to Japan. However, it will only do so if Germany and Japan break their alliances with the US.--Geopolitician (talk) 12:58, March 8, 2022 (EST)
Alexander Mercouris cites your boy Brzenzinski again in the Russian peace demands. Time prompted. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 15:57, March 8, 2022 (EST)
"My boy" he ain't. Glad to have my point about his importance proven right again, though.--Geopolitician (talk) 18:49, March 8, 2022 (EST)
As to Georgia, you need to read up about the Lugar Center - the seat of a big bio weapons lab. If Russia at some point wants to kick NATO out Georgia, it's to shut down a major bioweapons experimental research center on its borders, as it is doing in Ukraine. (Here, you need to understand the doctrine of denied access; for example, the territory of Cuba or El Salvador has no strategic interest to the US, but is of immense interest to US enemies. Therefore, under the doctrine of denied access, occupying those territories may be become necessary). RobSLet's Go Brandon! 16:08, March 8, 2022 (EST)
Good point overall. On a side note El Salvador doesn't share any kind of border with us, so any "denied access" argument concerning it wouldn't be nearly as solid as one concerning Cuba.--Geopolitician (talk) 18:49, March 8, 2022 (EST)
In the 1980s, El Salvador (and Nicaragua) were staging areas on the North American continent for weapons smuggling (AK-47s, RP) from the USSR to Cuba to Nicaragua and El Salvador, with the idea of getting them into Mexico to stage a revolution (and eventually the US). In fact, it was this strategy of world revolution that provided the early spark for NAFTA to alleviate poverty and the threat of revolution.RobSLet's Go Brandon! 00:26, March 9, 2022 (EST)

If you want an accurate picture of how this war is going, please imagine 70-75% of Russia's effective land forces as piles of rotting steak being fed very slowly into a Ukrainian mincing machine. Turns out endemic corruption does bad things to procurement, training regimes, and basic military readiness. Who knew?

By the time this is done - and if Putin is still in power - he's going to do remarkably well to hold the Russian Federation together with what's left of his army. ConwayIII (talk) 13:40, March 8, 2022 (EST)

I'd have to agree with that. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 15:43, March 8, 2022 (EST)

Connecting the dots

You need to see this for exactly what it is:

  • Trump-Russia was Ukrainian misinformation hoax
  • Joe Biden was paid off by Ukraine in the Burisma scandal
  • Victoria Nuland, who orchestrated the Maidan coup, has moved up the ladder in the Biden State Department to help organize this war

Need I go on? about Crowdstrike, a Ukrainian company, framing Russia for the DNC hack? or the dominance of Ukranian nationalists in the Atlantic Council, the civilian counterpart to NATO? or Dmitri Alperovitch, who we need a CP article on? How about Alexander Vindman, a Ukrainian ultranationalist - what were his motivations for framing Trump with BS to bring about Trump's impeachment when the Ukrainian disinformation "Trump-Russia" hoax failed? or Alexandra Chalupa, another Ukrainian Nazi who chaired the DNC's Ethnic Outreach Committee who colluded with the Ukrainian government to dig up dirt on Paul Manafort? or Eric Ciaramella's White House meeting with Ukrainian prosecutors and security personal to steer them away from Hunter Biden and at Donald Trump?

Trump-Russia was Ukrainian disinformation. The government of Ukrainian has been interfering in US domestic politics since Victoria Nuland organized the Maidan coup, and before. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 15:31, March 8, 2022 (EST)

Connecting the dots isn't a useful exercise if your "dots" are just the splattered remnants of whatever fever swamp guff you've decided to throw at the wall. If there was the slightest shred of credible evidence for any of this, Trump would have declassified it and exposed the "plot" against him. In case you've forgotten, that notably failed to occur. ConwayIII (talk) 19:01, March 8, 2022 (EST)
Ok, I'll spell it out more clearly for you: Nazi collaborators who killed Poles, Jews, Lithuanians, and Belarusians as part of the Waffen SS Galicia Division ended up in Germany after the WWII fleeing the Soviet hunt for Nazi war criminals. Two of these, for example, were the grandfathers of Chrystia Freeland and Alexandra Chalupa. Because of their anti-Russian and anti-Soviet stance, they were granted asylum in the United States. Their organization in exile, the OUN, received funding from the CIA to smuggle weapons into Ukraine and carry on armed resistance against the USSR as late as 1954. In exile, the children of the Ukrainian diaspora have carried on their Russophobic hatred for everything suffered under the Holodomor and other atrocities. They have gotten jobs with VOA, have infiltrated the National Security Council staff, the Atlantic Council and other agencies with one purpose in mind - to get the United States to do what Ukraine cannot do - destroy Russia.
During the Cold War, they were Republicans (See for example Russ Ballant's Old Nazis, New Nazis and the Republican Right. Stanislav Stesko who was begging Hitler for more help against the Russians while Hitler was holding the gun to his head met with Ronald Reagan in the Oval Office 40 years later. His widow remained the leader of OUN until her death in 2002, over a decade after independence). After the Soviet Union collapsed and the Cold War ended, the GOP dropped Ukrainian nationalists because of their radical lust to avenge themselves and kill Russians, and the Democrats picked them up. Only now they aren't anti-communists anymore, now they are just openly rabid hate filled Russophobes, and still damned proud of their Nazi heritage. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 23:41, March 8, 2022 (EST)
People ask today, "Why does NATO still exist three decades after it should have gone out of business?" Answer: It is the OUN/Ukrainian diaspora that injected fresh blood into NATO and the Atlantic Council and gave it a purpose for existence after the collapse of the USSR & Warsaw Pact. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 23:58, March 8, 2022 (EST)
Alternatively, of course, you've got a post-Soviet Russia deciding to maintain the vast majority of its nuclear arsenal and a sizeable chunk of its land, sea & air forces as a far more plausible explanation for the persistence of NATO. If you'd like some more real "dots" to connect, then you should probably get your pencil busy with Putin's obvious slide towards authoritarianism and his particularly brutal war in Chechnya. ConwayIII (talk) 12:08, March 9, 2022 (EST)
Actually I've paid more attention to the authoritarian currents in the United States, and particularly brutal wars in Kosovo, Iraq, Syria, and Libya and the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Ukraine by the Obama and Clinton fascists. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 15:42, March 9, 2022 (EST)
What is your point? Because of our technological progress, the US and NATO kill people less brutally? RobSLet's Go Brandon! 15:45, March 9, 2022 (EST)
"I choose to ignore obvious facts about post-Soviet Russia and the wider European theater" probably isn't the triumphant flex you think it is, man. ConwayIII (talk) 16:05, March 9, 2022 (EST)
Russia (both Putin and Yeltsin) wanted to join NATO as early as 1996. But globalists were too busy courting China to join the WTO, and didn't want another bi-polar arms race, this time with China, if NATO had a 4,000 mile border with China. So Russia had to remain odd-man-out and the boogeyman. Pity, cause Russia & NATO had, and still have, common enemies, the CCP & radical Islamic terrorism. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 05:11, March 10, 2022 (EST)
The biggest mistake was believing economic reforms and market forces would magically take care of things, when Russia probably needed some kind of Marshall Plan to smooth out the post-Soviet transition. That would have a) isolated the hardcore Soviet old-timers, b) made it clear the West wanted to normalise relations, and c) provided some meaningful leverage against any backsliding & revanchism. ConwayIII (talk) 12:57, March 10, 2022 (EST)

Both Ukraine/Russia are corrupt governments and people generally get the governments that they deserve. Ukraine is a hybrid between authoritarianism/democracy according to the people at The Economist, while Russia is an authoritarian government. Both governments are going to cause many Americans to lose money (bigger taxes and/or higher fuel prices). I really can't see being an enthusiastic cheerleader for either of these countries or their leaders. It's just a matter of the lesser of two evils. And Vladimir Putin is the greater of two evils in my estimation. For humanitarian reasons, I hope the war ends soon. Conservative (talk) 20:01, March 9, 2022 (EST)

The war ending is up to Zelensky and NATO. Zelensky now is realizing he's been played by Biden and NATO, and led into a war with unnecessary bloodshed. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 04:52, March 10, 2022 (EST)
All the "support" by the Western media and propaganda apparatus isn't the type of support he was expecting or asked for. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 04:54, March 10, 2022 (EST)
Zelensky is an amateur. And the US IC and State Dept. is equally amateurish in placing its hopes in Zelensky to cover up the fact it operates bioweapon labs in Ukraine was crazy. Can you imagine the public reaction if the Russians set up biolabs across the border in Mexico? And this coming at the moment the world discovers the Chinese bioweapon attack on the planet happened with US funding.
NATO and the global banking system will be lucky to survive this self-made disaster, but things will never be the same. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 05:01, March 10, 2022 (EST)

Adolf Hitler was a proud man who fought until the bitter end and German cities were leveled. The Germans, Japanese and Italians were treated much better after WWII than the Russians after the Cold War so that partly planted the seeds of where we are now. On the other hand, Vladimir Putin is an excessively proud man who views the fall of the Soviet Union as a tragedy - which it wasn't. I may be wrong, but it is looking as though Putin may fight until the bitter end, but that he will ultimately lose. It also appears as if Biden is too unskilled of a politician in order to talk a prideful Putin off the ledge before he jumps into long, drawn out conflict that will cause much pain to Ukranians and Russians. This whole conflict is a tragedy that could have been avoided. Donald Trump handled a prideful Putin much better. Trump amped up oil production which weakend Putin so it was hard for him to launch a war, but he also gave Putin the respect he craved. Conservative (talk) 11:29, March 10, 2022 (EST)

You're just regurgitating globalist propaganda. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 11:53, March 10, 2022 (EST)
I don't recall globalists patting Trump on the back for amping up US oil production and for handling Putin better. And while Putin sees the fall of the Soviet Union as a tragedy, I see it as one of the many glorious victories for Christendom! The fall of the Soviet Union saw a great rise of desecularation in Eastern Europe and Russia. Conservative (talk) 12:16, March 10, 2022 (EST)
You, and globalists, are mischaracterizing Putin's comments about the demise of the Soviet Union. One would think you would know the facts after listening to Mearsheimer. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 14:17, March 10, 2022 (EST)
People who espouse the globalist narrative on the Ukraine war are defenders of the globalist status quo. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 14:57, March 10, 2022 (EST)

Rising pro-CCP sentiment among the AFPAC crowd

I don't know if the rest of you have noticed this, but there is rising pro-CCP sentiment among the AFPAC crowd. This is especially true with the AFPAC crowd's spiritual leader, Nick Fuentes, as seen here, here, and here.

Based on what I've seen, there are three main reasons for this ongoing shift:

  • First, the AFPAC crowd sees China as a victim rather than an aggressor because it is often singled out for criticism by neolibs and neocons alike.
  • Second, the AFPAC crowd view Xi's version of National Socialism as both superior to Western liberalism and a role model to be emulated.
  • And third, the AFPAC crowd views the US government as their central enemy. Thus, they view any and all geopolitical rivals of the US as potential allies.

Thoughts?--Geopolitician (talk) 13:27, March 8, 2022 (EST)

Is this a joke or something? a 24 year old "spiritual leader"? RobSLet's Go Brandon! 15:41, March 8, 2022 (EST)
Unfortunately it's not a joke.--Geopolitician (talk) 18:49, March 8, 2022 (EST)
Based on what I've seen, the kid don't know his butt from a hole in the ground. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 15:44, March 8, 2022 (EST)

This is worth a gander

[14] RobSLet's Go Brandon! 15:46, March 8, 2022 (EST)

Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968, and Ukraine 2022

The new Cold War is on, yet Biden won't send Polish MiGs to Ukraine. After all, then the Ukrainians might win. Putin wouldn't like that, would he? See "Biden sends two Patriot missile batteries to Poland after calling plan to send all their MIG-29 jets to Ukraine 'unworkable'." In the Korean War, Stalin not only sent weapons and jets to fight the U.S., he repainted warplanes and had Soviet pilots attack U.S. planes.

In 1956 or 1968, we could imagine that the Soviets were supermen. The Ukrainians have exposed the limitations of the Russian army in a way the Hungarians and Czechs never did. U.S. generals just don't seem to like winning.

Oil was at $53 a barrel when Biden came to office. Now it is at $110. A president who put America first would start building the Keystone pipeline, tell the drillers to increase fracking, and ramp up nuclear power. Here is the Wall Street Journal: "Biden’s Bizarre Oil Diplomacy: He courts Venezuela and the Saudis, but not U.S. or Canadian producers." Money quote: "Shale producers can increase production twice as fast as Venezuelan oil companies, and the profits would go to U.S. workers and shareholders rather than another dictatorship."

If the U.S. military won't face down the Russians, they could at least take out Iran's proxies in Yemen. That's the price the Saudis are asking to increase output. PeterKa (talk) 13:46, March 9, 2022 (EST)

An explicit and deliberate exchange of conventional fire between regular US and Russian forces escalates to a full nuclear exchange in about a week. The modelling is crystal clear on this and it would be insane to just cross our fingers & hope that some of the less devastating long-tail possibilities (extended conventional war / limited nuclear exchange) emerge instead.
Ex-NATO MiGs are still a viable option, but there are lots of excellent reasons why their transfer needs to be handled delicately. ConwayIII (talk) 15:04, March 9, 2022 (EST)
Oh, really? Why don't you enlighten us on your plan how you would ignite WWIII? RobSLet's Go Brandon! 15:37, March 9, 2022 (EST)
Don't understand what you're asking here. Is it your belief that provision of ex-NATO MiGs under any circumstances would lead to a full nuclear exchange? ConwayIII (talk) 16:10, March 9, 2022 (EST)
Today, Biden banned oil imports from Russia. That's a study in sanctimony. Russia accounts for 3 percent of U.S. oil imports. It will be easy enough for them to reroute their production. The latest Democratic talking point is that higher oil prices are a sacrifice we make for Ukraine! Biden's anti-fracking policies sent oil from $53 a barrel to $85 before the war. Putin needs money to fight Ukraine. Higher oil prices means he gets more. PeterKa (talk) 18:16, March 9, 2022 (EST)
A war plane taking off from any base outside Ukraine that enters the war zone in Ukraine airspace is a provocative act of war that justifiablly makes both the plane and the airfield legitimate targets. C'mon now, nobody can be that dumb. Biden and Blinken attempted to use Poland as a pawn to provoke Russia to respond so that Article 5 would be invoked. And if Russia did not respond, Polish airfields would be continuously used daily to fly in weapons to kill Russian forces. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 02:22, March 10, 2022 (EST)
Let's play out the scenario: after Russia destroyed one or more Polish airfields, you could calculate how much time it takes to invoke Article 5. Once Article 5 is invoked, every member state of NATO, or at least those of any strategic significance, could be nuked (legally) in a first strike. This is a real "Hitler in the bunker" mindset coming from Biden and the Biden State Department. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 02:41, March 10, 2022 (EST)
Proxy wars are a thing, man, and well understood by both sides. Explicit NATO combat missions from NATO or Ukrainian airfields are a non-starter, which is why all the recent NFZ talk is just bonkers wishcasting. Supplying materiel is another thing entirely, no matter how much Putin blusters otherwise.
The trick, of course, is that the bigger & shinier the kit, the more discretion is required to allow at least a little face-saving. Which is exactly why Turkey isn't making a fuss about its continuing supply of factory-fresh TB2s and Putin isn't saying or doing anything about it. If Poland had just quietly flown the MiGs a short hop across the border and let the Ukrainians crack on with de-NATOfying their EW & IFF systems, then they'd be flying combat missions now and Putin would have begrudgingly sucked it up.
Having made a big song & dance about the transfer, however, means some escalation is probably baked in if it goes ahead now. Not nearly enough to trigger the ratchet effect described above, but enough to make it worth pausing and letting the story drop out of the news cycle. ConwayIII (talk) 12:40, March 10, 2022 (EST)
Again, if a military combat or transport plane takes off from Poland, Romania, or Slovakia which border Ukraine (Hungary explicitly will not allow it) into Ukrainian airspace, the airfield gets destroyed within hours, Article 5 is invoked, Paris, London, Germany, DC and other targets get nuked instantly (Putin does not bluff). Alternatively, if Russia does not destroy the airfield, the bases will be used to attempt to set up a no-fly zone. It would be another illegal War of Aggression conducted by NATO. The United Nations was created explicitly to outlaw Wars of Aggression. RobSLet's Go Brandon!`
Rubbish. By some estimates, there are now more latest-gen ATGMs in Ukraine than Russia has tanks in its entire army, and with more pouring in every day. Weapons which, btw, have repeatedly demonstrated their capacity to reduce the most advanced Russian armour to smoking piles of scrap. At this point, a squadron or two of Soviet-era MiGs wouldn't even break the top ten of Putin's most immediate concerns.
It would be humiliating, sure, but it's not going to significantly alter whatever endgame calculations he's currently cooking up in the Kremlin. Doing it quietly in a week or so - without any idiotic fanfare - would likely avoid even a token escalation in nuclear posture. ConwayIII (talk) 19:16, March 10, 2022 (EST)
That leaves only thermobaric and aerial bombardments. Good work, NATO, for a war that never should have occurred. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 20:26, March 10, 2022 (EST)
What? you think Russia invaded just to play a game of bumper cars? And like Afghanistan, you know the ultimate destiny whose hands those weapons will end up in. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 20:30, March 10, 2022 (EST)
The "fun" will really start when Putin decides he's had enough and tries to withdraw his forces without the fuel and food to get them back over the border. History will record this as the bee sting manoeuvre. ConwayIII (talk) 19:46, March 11, 2022 (EST)
It was always a war of limited aims. The decision has to be made now where to redraw the border between the Luhansk & Donetsk Republics and the Dneiper River. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 21:29, March 11, 2022 (EST)
Crimea apparently will be expanded northward to include the city of Kherson and its fresh water supply. What's left of Mariupol other than a potato field will be part of the land corridor linking Crimea. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 21:32, March 11, 2022 (EST)
My man, Russian troops will shortly be walking home, with the DNR / LNR mooks right behind them. Crimea is trickier for a bunch of reasons, but will eventually be handed back to Ukraine once the new Russian leadership decides it's time to unf___ their economy. ConwayIII (talk) 21:55, March 11, 2022 (EST)
I think you're misreading the situation. We've turned the page on an era. We now are officially in the post-post Cold War era, for lack of a better name. You've yet to take account of N Korean ballistic missiles (made in Ukraine), Taiwan, Iran, or the Quad Alliance. And a host of other minor details, like the SWIFT network shrinking itself. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 23:11, March 11, 2022 (EST)
Go back and re-read Churchill's Iron Curtain speech. After 1945, two separate global economies grew up on planet earth. With the collapse of the Iron Curtain and Warsaw pact, they merged into one. We're back into a bi-polar or multi-polar planet, and the US does not have the economic power nor the moral leadership to lead a so-called "free world" anymore. Neither is there a "third world", but a developing, non-aligned world that says to the West (in the words of PM Khan of Pakistan), "What? you think we are your slaves?" RobSLet's Go Brandon! 23:19, March 11, 2022 (EST)
Let me give you a simple example: You think Apple, Netflix, and Visa pulling out of Russia is some grand heroic deed or moral statement? That is called an economic contraction, i.e. recessionary activity vs. economic expansion. Russia will emerge from this mess with its borders slightly enlarged, a few more allies, and the US & the West is the process of committing economic suicide (or at least cutting off their private parts to spite their face). RobSLet's Go Brandon! 23:31, March 11, 2022 (EST)
Then comes the next test, Taiwan, in a few months. Which blithering idiot do you wanna see in charge of that, Kamala or Biden? It doesn't make a difference cause you have the same idiot advisors, speech writers, and decision makers in charge. So too in the case of Putin. This was bound to happen no matter who was the president of Russia. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 23:35, March 11, 2022 (EST)
It's a pity what these Western oligarchs just lost in their greed with sanctions. [15][16] India won't pass up the opportunity to invest in Russian oil and gas, now that they don't have Exxon or BP bidding up the price. [17] If these Western oligarchs want to maintain their lavish lifestyles, they'll have to get it from you now, being that they cut themselves off from the global market. With inflation, you'll hardly notice the difference.RobSLet's Go Brandon! 05:37, March 12, 2022 (EST)

Conservative Wins South Korean Presidency

Please add to In The News.

Conservative Yoon Suk-yeol wins South Korean presidency. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/world/asia/south-korea-election-yoon-suk-yeol.html --TheNewRight (talk) 18:09, March 9, 2022 (EST)

Great tip! I've added it with insights from the conservative New York Post.
Thank you!--TheNewRight (talk) 20:06, March 9, 2022 (EST)

"Hungary Elects Orban Loyalist as Nation’s First Female President"

Please add to In The News.

"Hungary Elects Orban Loyalist as Nation’s First Female President" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-10/hungary-elects-orban-loyalist-as-nation-s-first-female-president --TheNewRight (talk) 11:26, March 10, 2022 (EST)

Done!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 13:11, March 10, 2022 (EST)
Thank you!--TheNewRight (talk) 13:45, March 10, 2022 (EST)

Putin Talking Points

Why is the Main Page a source of Putin talking points? The alleged bioweapons labs in the Ukraine date back to the Soviet era. Or as Fox News defense reporter Jennifer Griffin tried to explain to Sean Hannity; "Those are Soviet-era biolabs that the U.S. has been engaged, since 2005, in trying to help Ukraine convert to research facilities safely. In Uzbekistan, for instance, the United States eliminated nearly 12 tons of weaponized anthrax from an island in the Aral Sea in 2001." It seems to me CP conservatives are taking the line that an American cannot be patriotic unless they completely believe Putin propaganda. Sad. [18] --LSimons (talk) 12:34, March 10, 2022 (EST)

No they don't. DTRA has spent $200 million building labs. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 12:07, March 10, 2022 (EST)
The United States refuses to submit to multilateral inspection. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 12:08, March 10, 2022 (EST)
Who is ‘they’? And what are ‘they’ not doing? Building what kind of labs and for what purpose? When were the labs built? USA is refusing to ‘submit to multilateral inspection’ of what? What are your sources? None of these questions are rhetorical. Please provide answers and sources. Thanks.--LSimons (talk) 12:34, March 10, 2022 (EST)
Read this report from January 2018, pre-covid and pre-Ukraine crisis. It even contains the link to the Agreement between the US DoD and the Ministry of Health of Ukraine. Putting aside the global network of biolabs and discussion of Sierra Leon or Metabiota, Let's look at the Lugar Center in the former Soviet Republic of Georgia which borders Russia. These excerps are interesting:
"In 2014 The Lugar Center was equipped with an insect facility and launched a project “Raising Awareness about Barcoding of Sand Flies in Georgia and Caucasus”. The project covered a larger geographic area outside of Georgia – Caucasus. In 2014-2015 Phlebotomine sand fly species were collected under another project “Surveillance Work on Acute Febrile Illness” and all (female) sand flies were tested to determine their infectivity rate....As a result Tbilisi has been infested with biting flies since 2015. These biting insects live indoors, in bathrooms, all year long, which was not the typical behaviour of these species in Georgia previously (normally the Phlebotomine fly season in Georgia is exceptionally short – from June to September). Local people complain of being bitten by these newly appeared flies while naked in their bathrooms. They also have a strong resistance to cold and can survive even in the sub-zero temperatures in the mountains....Since the start of the Pentagon project in 2014 flies similar to those in Georgia have appeared in neighboring Dagestan (Russia). According to local people, they bite and cause rashes. Their breeding habitats are house drains. Flies from the Phlebotomine family carry dangerous parasites in their saliva which they transmit through a bite to humans. The disease, which these flies carry, is of high interest to the Pentagon. In 2003 during the US invasion of Iraq American soldiers were severely bitten by sand flies and contracted Leishmoniasis. The disease is native to Iraq and Afghanistan and if left untreated the acute form of Leishmoniasis can be fatal. A 1967 US Army report “Arthropods of medical importance in Asia and the European USSR” lists all local insects, their distribution and the diseases that they carry. Biting flies, which live in drains, are also listed in the document. Their natural habitats, though, are the Philippines, not Georgia or Russia....The Pentagon has a long history in using insects as vectors for diseases...‘Operation Big Buzz’: 1 million A. Aeugupti mosquitoes were produced, 1/3 were placed in munitions and dropped from aircraft, or dispersed on the ground. The mosquitoes survived the airdrop and actively sought out human blood....Aedes Aegypti, also known as yellow fever mosquito, have been widely used in US military operations. The same species of mosquitoes are alleged to be the vectors of dengue, chikungunya and the Zika virus, which causes genetic malformations in newborns....Virgin female Aedes aegypti mosquitoes, which had been starved, were tested upon troops out in the open air....Such species of mosquitoes and fleas (studied in the past under the US Entomological Warfare Program) have also been collected in Georgia and tested at The Lugar Center. Under the DTRA project “Virus and Other Arboviruses in Georgia” in 2014 the never-before-seen tropical mosquito Aedes albopictus was detected for the first time and after decades (60 years) the existence of Aedes Aegypti mosquito was confirmed in West Georgia.

Aedes Albopictus is a vector of many viral pathogens, Yellow fever virus, Dengue, Chikungunya and Zika. These tropical mosquitoes Aedes Albopictus having never been seen before in Georgia, have also been detected in neighboring Russia (Krasnodar) and Turkey, according to data provided by the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, Their spread is unusual for this part of the world. Aedes Aegupti Mosquitoes have been distributed only in Georgia, Southern Russia and Northern Turkey. They were detected for the first time in 2014 after the start of the Pentagon program at The Lugar Center. Under another DTRA project “Epidemiology and Ecology of Tularemia in Georgia” (2013-2016) 6,148 ground ticks were collected ; 5,871 were collected off the cattle and 1,310 fleas and 731 ticks were caught. In 2016 a further 21 590 ticks were collected and studied at The Lugar Center.

RobSLet's Go Brandon! 13:43, March 10, 2022 (EST)

So it appears mosquitos, biting flies, and ticks is the distribution vehicle of choice for bioweapons by the Pentagon. Not enough is known yet about the Ukrainian biolabs, other than its management and personal come from the Lugar Center. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 13:59, March 10, 2022 (EST)

The Lugar Center in Georgia apparently is hub for the Pentagon's secret biolabs in that region of the world. There are biolabs in 21 countries.

At last count, there are somewhere between 26 and 30 sites in Ukraine. You can choose whatever name or label you wish to apply, "experimental research stations" "facilities", etc. Point is, evidence suggests they are not disposing of Soviet-era bioweapons, as is the cover story. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 14:23, March 10, 2022 (EST)

Incredible. I asked why the Main Page was a dumping ground for Putin talking points and you respond with a source known for ties to Infowars and Russia Today. You didn’t even provide evidence for your claim concerning the Ukrainian labs. I like how you wave your hand like a Jedi and say the DTRA’s efforts to deter WMDs is simply a cover story. From now on, my source for uber-patriotic and conservative Americans snuggling up to Putin will be Conservapedia. You should be so proud.--LSimons (talk) 17:24, March 10, 2022 (EST)
Incredible. You think throwing around the names of Alex Jones & RT nullifies the fact the Pentagon operates biolabs in 25 countries. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 18:11, March 10, 2022 (EST)
Where did I ever even imply the Pentagon does not operate biolabs in foreign countries? Never. What is so sinister about biolabs? I’m not impressed with your mostly fact-free insinuations. I’d like to think a person trying to justify using Putin propaganda could provide evidence from sources that do not associate with the lunatic fringe or Russian media. --LSimons (talk) 18:57, March 10, 2022 (EST)
What was the point of bring up Jones, RT, or even Putin for that matter? I am just about fed up with this globalist commie lame effort at what you might consider a public discussion or debate. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 19:11, March 10, 2022 (EST)
You don't know? Whatever. But remember, Conservapedia is now my go to source for Putin love. I'll let everyone know. --LSimons (talk) 22:40, March 10, 2022 (EST)
Update: Russian Defense Declares "Bioagents" Against Certain Ethnic Groups, Mar 10, 2022. The Russian Defense Ministry said that with a high degree of probability we can talk about attempts by the United States in Ukraine to create bioagents that selectively affect ethnic groups.]
Not surprising, coming from the racist scum in the Biden junta. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 22:44, March 10, 2022 (EST)
You post a Youtube clip of a Russian official then claim this is 'coming from the racist scum in the Biden junta'? I'm getting more impressed with you every day. --LSimons (talk) 09:27, March 11, 2022 (EST)
I posted that video cause it contains capture English language documents which are not yet available on line. BadVolf will be doing a Rumble livestream from Moscow in about 5 minutes in English where he promises more documentation. [19] RobSLet's Go Brandon! 09:56, March 11, 2022 (EST)

American Bioweapons

In light of the recent bombshell revelation that the US had biological research labs -- and possibly biological weapon labs -- in Ukraine, we now need to be asking ourselves three important questions:

  • First, was it really China who was behind COVID-19 "escaping" the Wuhan lab? Or was it our own government, as part of a two-pronged operation serving as both a biological attack on China and as a false flag event designed to justify some sort of Sino-American conflict?
  • Second, do we have even more biological weapons labs yet to be discovered in other countries?
  • And third, what are the chances that the discovery of even more American biological weapon labs lead directly to more wars, where Country A invades Country B in order to "neutralize Country B's WMDs," and citing our invasion of Iraq as a precedent along the way?

--Geopolitician (talk) 14:28, March 10, 2022 (EST)

Answer to number 2, Yes, in 22 countries. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 14:32, March 10, 2022 (EST)
The article says 25 countries. However, it's also from January 2018. What has happened since then to make it 22 countries?--Geopolitician (talk) 14:55, March 10, 2022 (EST)
Sorry, it's been a while since I reviewed. What's interesting is it is pre-covid, so it cannot be accused of bias vis-a-vis the Fauci revelations (where is Fauci now anyway? he certainly disappeared from public view since Feb. 24). The article discusses bat coronavirus research. It also has interesting comments about Metabiota in Ukraine. Metabiota is the largest recipient of Pentagon money in Ukraine, but does not spell out that Hunter Biden funded Metabiota as a start up with Bank of China money. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 15:11, March 10, 2022 (EST)

UPDATE: Following a debate I had on another site, I no longer believe that it was our own government who released COVID-19 from the Wuhan lab, and I now believe it was indeed China. The argument which changed my mind? The CCP is far too xenophobic to allow the US government to have more control over what was going on in the Wuhan lab, even if the project in question was American in origin. Thus, it is far more likely than not that Fauci had to concede a large degree of control over the project to the CCP, to the point where the project ended up under CCP control. It may have started as a predominantly American project, but it didn't end that way.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:24, March 11, 2022 (EST)

Honestly

Back when I first started contributing, I think it was in the early 2010s, this site seemed to be a general forlorn charge against the inherent bias that comes with internet media. While User Conservative is still a Poe if I ever saw one, the movement towards this site becomimg a conspiracy theorist nutcase is insane. I have personal relations in Ukraine, two of which have died through the callous Russian bombardment. What's worse, is this site denying my right to even live via these articles,saying its okay to kill ukrainians because "gay pride parades happen" as if my existence as a gay man means that it's okay to commit genocide by the back door.

You understand that Russian troops are flying the soviet flag on their APC's? You understand that this Russian Imperialism is no better than the soviets? To be honest, Putin is doing this *because* he is a soviet imperialist, and those defending him are no better than communist apologists.

Seriously, get a grip. Children are being killed via russian artillary and some of you are so pro-russian that if Putin invaded Alaska you'd say it's okay cause they voted out Palin. --Ryancsh (talk) 21:40, March 11, 2022 (BST)

First, my condolences to you and your family.
Second, I do agree with you that there needs to be some toning down here. It's obvious to me that Russia isn't invading Ukraine because "gay pride parades happen," but for purely geopolitical reasons. It's also obvious to me that Barack Obama is not a practicing Muslim, even if he has an affinity for Islam. Furthermore, I think it's absurd to claim that Michelle Obama is a closet transgender, or that Justin Trudeau is Fidel Castro's son. I've tried to address this in the past, but many of my edits to the relevant articles have been undone.
That being said, how far do you think this site needs to tone down? Because there's no going back on stuff like globalism or the Deep State.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:53, March 11, 2022 (EST)
Toning down? Are you a neo-Nazi Russophobe and apologist along with Facebook and the Biden regime? RobSLet's Go Brandon! 01:01, March 12, 2022 (EST)
You're unbelievably full of crap, RobS. You know damn well that I am not any of those things.--Geopolitician (talk) 02:18, March 12, 2022 (EST)
Suggestion: then call out neo-Nazism, fascism, and Russophobia for what it is, especially if your tax dollars are going to support it. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 03:12, March 12, 2022 (EST)
I HAVE CALLED OUT NEO-NAZIS, JACKASS.--Geopolitician (talk) 21:49, March 14, 2022 (EDT)
My condolences and prayers. But $14 billion from working Americans to Leftist politicians who provoke Russia seem excessive, even unhelpful to attain peace. Do you agree with the recent pro-homosexual agenda sanctions against Poland while it takes in millions of destitute Ukrainian refugees who flee its Leftist regime?--Andy Schlafly (talk) 16:55, March 11, 2022 (EST)
You understand the Russian army defeated Hitler? you understand Ukraine was and remains a hotbed of Nazism? RobSLet's Go Brandon! 16:56, March 11, 2022 (EST)
I'll be blunt, I myself am very much anti-Gay Agenda. In fact, I'd even go so far as to demand for Ukraine to STOP helming gay pride parades, even evoke regime change against them if needs be if it ensures no more gay pride stuff (I won't advocate exterminating them, though.). However, I ALSO am very much against what Putin is doing right now (in fact, I've been against Putin since 2012, well before this stuff occurred, in fact, I'd even go so far as to say that we actually FAILED to stop Communism in Russia, aka the entire POINT behind the Cold War, precisely because Lenin's tomb is still in operation, as is the Communist parties, and in fact, they still have Karl Marx's statue in their public square, an especially egregious act for a country that supposedly "renounced" communism with the fall of the Soviet Union.), and I am very sickened by what has become of this site. You guys do realize that even Donald Trump has condemned Putin and his invasion of Ukraine, and not just recently regarding Putin and Russia, he actually imposed very severe sanctions against him as early as during his first four months in office? By doing this promotion and shilling for Putin, who BTW is a blatant Communist and if Counting Stars is to be believed did quite a bit of funding of the radical left, possibly including the gay agenda abroad himself, you guys are basically giving ammunition to all those NeverTrumpers who falsely claimed that Trump is a Putin puppet. If we're going to repeat the left's talking points, we should never have even bothered splitting from Wikipedia. I suggest you take careful consideration about this site's future, because right now, I'm staying away from this site, only going to make very limited edits on here, out of disgust for what it's become. I DID NOT JOIN CONSERVAPEDIA TO SEE IT TURNED INTO A LEFTIST SITE. This is a huge betrayal towards its ideals. Pokeria1 (talk) 18:27, March 11, 2022 (EST)
Good. Thanks. I had no idea Putin and anti-globalism was leftist until you just enlightened us all. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 18:47, March 11, 2022 (EST)
Ah, Putin IS a leftist. Or maybe you've forgotten that Putin literally banned any comparisons between Stalin and Hitler, compared Communism, the ULTIMATE left wing enterprise, to Christianity, considered the biggest geopolitical disaster to be the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 and NOT the fall of the Russian Empire back in 1917. Sure, he may not be ideological, but believe it or not, Communism ALSO isn't ideological, not even under Lenin or Marx, since that would require having principles and some absolute standards, which Communists NEVER have, willing to say any lie to get power. Pokeria1 (talk) 20:13, March 11, 2022 (EST)
Pokeria1, I appreciate your feedback, but do you support looting Americans for $14 billion, while dumping millions of destitute Ukrainians on conservative Poland? $6 per gallon for struggling Americans now? Some of this is because the pro-homosexual Deep State hates Putin and refuses to accept neutrality for Ukraine, as Austria accepted after World War II without tragedies.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 19:23, March 11, 2022 (EST)
Andy, I hate to break it to you. But Poland's government is not conservative. If it was, it wouldn't be so subservient to the interests of the American Deep State on foreign policy matters, especially those concerning Russia.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:53, March 11, 2022 (EST)
I don't support looting Americans for $14 billion, dumping millions of destitute Ukrainians on Poland (which, BTW, is Putin's own fault and would have happened REGARDLESS of the Deep State), or $6 per gallon or higher on struggling Americans, ever. However, that DOESN'T mean we ought to support Putin, who if anything is on the same side as the pro-Homosexual Deep State, both being Communist. In fact, Putin had absolutely NO problem siding with Barack Obama. Remember the Hot Mike Incident that occurred during the 2012 elections, where Obama relayed to Putin's own VP that he'll have "more flexibility" to aid Putin after the elections? And Putin certainly didn't have any problem accepting that Uranium deal from deep-stater Hillary Clinton. And when you're supporting Putin, ESPECIALLY after his pro-Soviet remarks, you're supporting Communism and the Deep State. That's ALWAYS how they operate as far back as Lenin, heck, even Marx. Let's not forget, Lenin wholly supported the Cheka's mass murdering actions and even egged them on behind the scenes, yet created the illusion of being against their actions by avoiding putting his name to any execution warrants. Same goes with the likes of Fidel Castro, who hoodwinked everyone into thinking he was anti-Communist until it turned out he was communist from the start. You're being duped, that's the problem. I suggest you guys read up on Trevor Loudon, Diana West, and the late Ion Mihai Pacepa on what Putin's truly like. Also JR Nyquist as well. Heck, just read outono.net, aka Counting Stars, they've got PLENTY of dirt on Putin and his true nature, and for the record, they're anti-Deep State as well, more than Putin EVER will be. And use your head, if even Donald Trump condemns Putin for his actions, and apparently going by the Brookings Institute, has actually been a really huge thorn to Putin's side since at least four months into his presidency, shouldn't that be a VERY big hint to at the very least NOT support either side? And BTW, the Deep State if anything LOVES Putin, they just faked hating him to cover up their own dealings with Putin while framing Trump as a Putin patsy. Pokeria1 (talk) 20:13, March 11, 2022 (EST)
I like the bit where Rob's still lying through his teeth about Nazis and you're still trying to spin it re. Pride parades. I wonder what would happen if I could show your 2007 self what you've become. ConwayIII (talk) 20:10, March 11, 2022 (EST)
Conway, there is a real Nazi problem within the Ukrainian military, although I do agree with you that RobS is exaggerating the degree of that problem. Nazis do not control the Ukrainian government or the Ukrainian military, even if they maintain a degree of influence within both. The real villain in this story is not the Azov Battalion, but NATO itself.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:53, March 11, 2022 (EST)
The real problem is the racist cultural traditions among Ukrainian nationalists which extends to the civilian population, mothers and fathers, and people in government. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 01:09, March 12, 2022 (EST)
Here is video of Russian frontline soldiers overrunning a house were Ukrainian Nazi soldiers slept (time prompted) from just two days ago. You can even auto translate the CC from settings. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 21:18, March 11, 2022 (EST)
Julia Ioffe (one the smarter liberal journalist) says: The Syrian refugees helped cause: Brexit, the rise of the right in France, Hungary, Germany and the Czech Republic. How many refugees can the West absorb? - Source: Putin's Road to War: Julia Ioffe (interview) | FRONTLINE.
There you go, ConwayIII. One of your own says that this will help fuel right-wing populism in Europe. And don't forget that Brexit helped elect Donald Trump. MAGA! Conservative (talk) 20:40, March 11, 2022 (EST)
One of the great joys of observing reactionary populist movements in the wild is watching them fall flat on their arse once their glib "populist" prescriptions utterly fail to address complex real-world problems. They only ever persist if they successfully transition to authoritarianism, which is why Orban keeps on trucking whilst Trump is begging for decent lawyers. ConwayIII (talk) 22:13, March 11, 2022 (EST)
Let me 'splain how this works: $14 billion is 10% of Ukrainian GDP. The money gets kickedback to the McCain Institute, the Clinton Foundation, the Obama Foundation, the Open Society Institute and other U.S. Senate family run front organizations for distribution while raking off management fees off the top. Outfits like Metabiota and Burisma are the recipients. (Even the Pelosi family in the House will get in on the bonanza). Then Biden threatens anti-corruption investigators, "If you don't fire him, you ain't getting the $14 billion." The people of Ukraine get nothing. The families of members of Congress get rich. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 20:55, March 11, 2022 (EST)
Let's analyze this a bit further: U.S. GDP growth never hit 2% year-to-year in the 8 years of Obamunism, yet Ukraine is guaranteed 10% growth in the moment the vote occurred (with less territory, less population, and less productive capacity). This means the United States is committed to funding an insurgency for years, assuming our idiot leaders can avoid the war spreading beyond Ukraine's borders and us getting nuked. But they can't. Sooner or later Russia will hit a NATO weapons supply column (or aircraft) within the territory of Ukraine. Jake the Snake Sullivan just said that would cause invocation of NATO Article 5.
Let's say it doesn't happen for months, or years. That doesn't really matter either - NATO has been plotting this war since the Crimean Annexation, which was only delayed by the election of Donald Trump, the Russia-Collusion hoax, the Mueller investigation, and the Impeachment sham. So if in some unforeseen circumstance that causes NATO not to react when the inevitable occurs, that would spell the end of the NATO alliance. All the cards are now on the table. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 13:14, March 15, 2022 (EDT)
BREAKING: Putin Reportedly Arrests Intelligence Officers Who Provided Faulty Information On Ukraine Before Invasion. [20] The hunt for NATO traitors and fall guys. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 21:45, March 11, 2022 (EST)
This article emphasizes incompetence, not treason.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:53, March 11, 2022 (EST)
Putin learned that from the US - blame intelligence failures for killing 600,000 Iraqi civilians in the hunt for WMD or the 9/11 attacks. Theew's a Russia Insight video where he explains that. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 02:35, March 12, 2022 (EST)
At least the Russians arrest and torture traitors before they stand trial, unlike Ukrainians, who shoot peace negotiators trying to set up humanitarian corridors for refugees in the back. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 21:47, March 11, 2022 (EST)
Putin's inept advisors. Hop to it, man. ConwayIII (talk) 22:16, March 11, 2022 (EST)
No reason to create such an article. This wiki is supposed to be centered around American politics.--Geopolitician (talk) 00:00, March 12, 2022 (EST)

Congressman Madison Cawthorn (R-NC) is very similar to the approach of Conservapedia, and notice that he independently reached conclusions about the conflict similar to those expressed by active editors here.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 23:57, March 11, 2022 (EST)

True, although like most prominent anti-war conservatives he has failed to address the geopolitical factors behind NATO's warmongering, which I believe must be emphasized in order to win the debate.
And on another note, he's no fan of Putin either.--Geopolitician (talk) 00:07, March 12, 2022 (EST)
Looks like the EU is starting to back out on their warmongering. Pity they couldn't have said this 3 weeks ago, there would have been no bloodshed. What now? Is Conway gonna accuse the EU foreign policy chief of spewing Putin talking points? RobSLet's Go Brandon! 01:01, March 12, 2022 (EST)
Of course, this statement comes 24 hours after the Europeans squeeze another $14 billion out of American taxpayers. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 01:04, March 12, 2022 (EST)
Breaking: Translation: Liquidation of Azov in Mariupol. Looks like they're de-nazifying Ukraine without thermobarics. When this operation is complete, the Russians will go about disarming and demilitarizing the 60,000 crack AFU fighters in the Donbas cauldron.
Perhaps the movement to encircle Kharkiv & Kyiv were simply diversions to keep AFU away from the Donbas pocket. My guess is, once Mariupol & the Donbas cauldron are finished off and the liberation of the Donbass is complete, the movement will be against all bioweapon sites, and not Kyiv. Some are located in Lviv and Western Ukraine where there hasn't been much fighting yet (only attacks to interdict NATO supply lines). RobSLet's Go Brandon! 02:48, March 12, 2022 (EST)
ConwayIII, so far it looks like Donald Trump is better at solving real world problems as president than Joe Biden. Putin didn't cause any major problems under Trump, but under Biden he did. Trump had a better energy policy too. But you are certainly entitled to the opinion that Biden/Harris are great problem solvers (no matter how misguided that opinion is). Have you thought about creating the article Joe Biden's inept advisors? Conservative (talk) 03:07, March 12, 2022 (EST)

Obama on Ukrainian biolabs

Excerpts from Activities of biological laboratories of the US Department of Defense in the countries of the Eurasian space (from the original Russian via Microsoft Bing translate)

Ukraine. Features of the location and functioning of US biological laboratories

The decision to turn Ukraine into a testing ground for the study of deadly viruses and pathogens for military purposes was made in 2005 by US President George W. Bush. To do this, he sent to Ukraine Senator from Indiana Richard Lugar, Assistant Secretary of State for Defense Andrew Weber and Senator from Illinois Barack Obama and a number of high-ranking officials of the Pentagon and the State Department (Kenneth Myers II, Kenneth Myers III; Thomas Moore, Andy Fisher) on an inspection trip to biological laboratories.

Here's how Obama himself recalls in his book "Daring Hope: Reflections on Recreating the American Dream" a visit to the Ukrainian Center for Disease Control and Monitoring:

"In a quiet residential area of Kiev, we were given a tour of a Ukrainian institution, an analogue of the American Center for Disease Control and Prevention - a modest three-story building, partly resembling a university scientific laboratory, "Obama writes. "At one point during our tour, after contemplating the open windows (due to the lack of air conditioning) and strips of metal roughly screwed to the doorjambs (to drive away mice), we were led to a small refrigerator sealed only by thread....
"A middle-aged woman in a laboratory gown and a surgical mask took out several test tubes from the belly of the refrigerator, waved them 30 cm from my nose and said something Ukrainian," Obama continues. "It's anthrax," the translator explained, pointing to the test tube in the lady's right hand. "But this," he said, pointing to a test tube in the woman's left hand, "is a plague." I turned back and noticed that Lugar was already standing against the far wall of the room. "Would you like to take a closer look at this, Dick?" I asked, taking a few steps back myself....
"On the territory of Ukraine, neither before 1991 nor after, biological weapons were developed," said political scientist Dmytro Skvortsov. - And now there are 15 military laboratories in the country at once, and their activities are absolutely opaque and unaccountable. Hence the conclusion: these facilities were created by the Pentagon as manufacturers of biological weapons. Otherwise, why prevent the spread of 'technologies, viruses and pathogens' used in the development of biological weapons to facilities where these weapons have never been developed?"

The Ukrainian-American program for the study of dangerous biological objects is controlled by one of the Structures of the Pentagon, the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (Defense Threat Reduction Agency - DTRA). Tellingly, until 1998, DTRA had a different name - the Defense Special Weapons Agency (Defense Special Weapons Agency).

The Ukrainian-American agreement provided for technical assistance to three institutions: the Ukrainian Center for Disease Control and Monitoring, the Odessa Anti-Plague Institute and the Lviv Research Institute of Hygiene and Epidemiology. The Pentagon handed over to the Kiev center high-class equipment for 800 thousand. The United States spent more than $ 2 million on equipment for its Odessa biological laboratory, and the Lviv Institute received equipment for almost $ 470,000. Only for these three centers, the total amount of investment from the US budget exceeded $ 5.8 million.

The activities of biological laboratories in Ukraine and their financing are supervised by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) of the US Department of Defense. In the Pentagon, Kevin Garrett is responsible for the Ukrainian direction, and directly in Ukraine, the interests of DTRA are represented by an employee of the US Embassy Joanna Winterroll.

Through Wintrol, the project "Joint Biological Program" was implemented to introduce the Americans to the military-biological facilities of the Central Sanitary and Epidemiological Administration (CSEU) of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.

The activities of "peaceful" Ukrainian research biocenters are completely classified. In accordance with the agreement signed with the US Department of Defense, the Ukrainian government is obliged to refuse public disclosure of information designated by the Pentagon as "sensitive".

At the same time, Americans have unlimited access to information and technology, which is considered a state secret in Ukraine. At the same time, "the parties minimize the number of persons who have access to 'confidential' information."

At the first stage of the program for the deployment of biological laboratories in Ukraine, Obama ensured the allocation of $ 15 million to the Ukrainian Ministry of Health. The US Department of Defense also demanded that Kiev resolve the issue of creating a laboratory network with modern equipment in nine regions of the country.

[...]

Increase in the incidence of dangerous infections as a result of US bioprograms

No cases of cholera have been reported in Ukraine since 1995. And suddenly, in 2011, 33 people fell ill in Mariupol at once. In 2009, in Ternopil, 450 Ukrainians suffered because of a rare virus that causes hemorrhagic pneumonia. In 2014, ukraine again experienced an outbreak of cholera from nowhere - then 800 people fell ill. The same thing happens in 2015 and 2017: about a hundred cases were registered in Mykolaiv.

In 2015, Ukraine recorded fatal cases of leptospirosis, rabies and other pathologies that have long been forgotten in the EU countries. In 2016, an epidemic of botulism begins in the country, from which four people die, and in 2017 - eight more, only according to official data.

In January of the same year, 37 residents of Mykolaiv were hospitalized with "jaundice", six months later 60 people with the same diagnosis were hospitalized in Zaporozhye. At the same time, an outbreak of hepatitis A was noted in Odessa, in the Odessa region, 19 children from a boarding school were sent to the hospital. In November, 27 cases of infection were recorded in Kharkiv. The virus was transmitted through drinking water.

"In addition to bacteriological experiments, this program has another goal - it is to study the situation, from the point of view of both biological and medical, in a possible theater of military operations," Mykola Azarov is sure. "If Russia is an adversary for them, then the United States should have intelligence information not only about the state of the army, infrastructure and so on, but also about a number of other parameters."

In addition to infectious outbreaks, there are known to be 13,476 inpatient anthrax sites in the country, which no one deals with, some of which are grazed by livestock. Only in the Odessa region there are 430 potentially dangerous objects where animals can catch the disease.

The entire report is 188 pages. We're still working on translating it. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 03:46, March 12, 2022 (EST)

BadVolf recently had to move to Rumble after getting a 7 day block on YouTube for his early reporting on the war from Moscow. But it appears he is thoroughly done with YouTube now. Also, he's a good source for the economic impact of sanctions on the Russian people. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 04:08, March 12, 2022 (EST)

Human trafficing under the Zelensky regime

Looks like "democratic" Ukraine has a serious human trafficing problem. [21]

Ukrainian women are trafficked to Russia, Poland, Turkey, China, the Czech Republic, the United Arab Emirates, Austria, Italy, Portugal, Germany, Greece, Israel, Spain, Lebanon, Hungary, Slovak Republic, Cyprus, United Kingdom, Netherlands, Serbia, Argentina, Norway, Iran, Bahrain and The United States. The majority of Ukrainian labor trafficking victims were men exploited in Russia, the Czech Republic and Poland, primarily forced to work as construction laborers, sailors, and factory and agriculture workers. There are indications Ukraine is a destination for people from neighboring countries trafficked for forced labor and sexual exploitation. In addition, trafficking occurs within Ukraine; men and women are trafficked within the country for the purposes of labor exploitation in the agriculture and service sectors, commercial sexual exploitation, and forced begging. Ukrainian children are trafficked both internally and transnationally for commercial sexual exploitation, forced begging, and involuntary servitude in the agriculture industry.

The Government of Ukraine does not fully meet the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking . [22] RobSLet's Go Brandon! 10:44, March 12, 2022 (EST)

I'm sure things will be much better when Russia takes over. Really. ClaudeMcH (talk) 15:51, March 12, 2022 (EST)
Whatever would give you the impression Russia will take over Ukraine? RobSLet's Go Brandon! 16:12, March 12, 2022 (EST)
Russia will never take over Ukraine, anymore than the United States could ever take over Mexico, Iraq, Afghanistan or Haiti for that matter. Human trafficing is a problem for a sovereign, self-governing, democratic people to address, kinda like choosing one's allies, or choosing to suppress the native language of one's citizens, or choosing to kill a segment of the one's own population. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 16:19, March 12, 2022 (EST)
Update: NTD: Human Trafficking Fears Amid Refugee Crisis. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 20:28, March 14, 2022 (EDT)

Russia/Ukraine, history, church history and gay parades

I don't think Vladimir Putin is a religious man and I think the Russia/Ukraine war was primarily caused by: nationalism, Vladimir Putin's pride/fears, balance of power politics, greed, post Cold War politics, and Russian fear of invasion and paronoia post WWII (about 27,000,000 Russians were killed in WWII).

On the other hand, I do think it is important to know about history (including religious history) to understand today's events. I also know that Orthodox Churches tend to be more political than other Western churches. Conservative (talk) 00:19, March 13, 2022 (EST)

That's amazing the Russian Orthodox leader confirmed what Conservapedia said here about the role of gay parades underlying this conflict.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 23:40, March 12, 2022 (EST)
Russians and Ukrainians were one nation, But the Ukrainians have grown grudge against Russians because of Communist Lenin's occupation of Ukraine and because of the Holodomor genocide against Ukrainians, more than 3.5 million Ukrainians died there. That is why there were many Ukrainians who allied themselves with the Nazis during the German invasion. some people here dont understand Ukrainian perspective, and think Ukrainian are the only bad one because they aligned with Nazis and become Nazis. --Alex Kosh (talk) 12:56, March 13, 2022 (EDT)
The Russian people and its government have rejected communism for the most part; the Ukrainian people and its government have not rejected Nazism and harbor a racist hatred toward Russians which is not reciprocated by Russians. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 17:14, March 13, 2022 (EDT)
I dont think so Rob. Russians still embrace their Soviet Communist past, remember when they give Psaki Hammer and Sickle hat and she wear it.
Also Communist party in Russia still active, and they are very loyal to Putin. --Alex Kosh (talk) 19:32, March 13, 2022 (EDT)
They do not embrace Soviet communist ideology; they embrace the 25 million ethnic Russians who were severed from Russia's common culture and became citizens of other states (the Baltics, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, etc) without a democratic choice in the matter in 1991. While the people of the Russian Federation gained a democratic voice, 25 million ethnic Russians found themselves minorities in countries that sometimes were hostile and vengeful toward Russians, and these Russian minorities were discriminated against.
By far, most of these Russian minorities outside the Federation were not party members, and in fact were the children of deportees during the Stalinist era, i.e. victims of communism. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 20:32, March 14, 2022 (EDT)
The Western propaganda line that Putin wants to reconstitute the USSR is the biggest pile of horse manure out there. This lying narrative is fed deliberately so by cynics in Western intelligence, and gobbled up by the ignorant and naive in media and the public. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 20:44, March 14, 2022 (EDT)
Democracy is a messy business, and the simple fact remains that the Russian Federation has made more progress in protecting democratic and human rights since 1991 than Ukraine and other former Soviet Republics. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 20:49, March 14, 2022 (EDT)
As to the Hammer and Sickle in modern Russia: the Russians defeated Nazism and Fascism. This a point of modern pride. The Russians are the TRUE Anti-fascists, not the Western leftist totalitarians who hijacked the term to mean the exact opposite. Russian pride in defeating Hitler without the baggage of its Soviet communist past is little different from the pride Americans have in their country despite a legacy of slavery and lynchings, or the love German's can have in their heritage despite the horrors of the holocaust, the love Brits have for their country despite colonial atrocities, or Canadians despite mistreatment of Native American children. And Russia's contribution to humanity for defeating Hitler and Nazism extends far outside its borders, more so than the other contrasting examples cited here. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 21:10, March 14, 2022 (EDT)
You are talking against about Western Leftists, but you are repeat their same arguments and claims. Western leftists are one gave most credit to Soviet Communist Russia for defeating Nazis, and gave little or even no credit to Western allies specially USA who bravely fought on two fronts unlike Soviet Union. without Western allies absolutely Russia or Soviet Union wouldnt stand against Hitler who invade huge parts of Soviet Union and was on doors of Moscow. and let me be clear I am not on the side of Ukraine or Russia, I am only want Conservapedia to be neutral on this conflict and share facts of both sides, not only from one. I dont want to be like leftist bias Wikipedia. If Russians saw Nazi symbolism in Ukraine provocative to them, Ukrainians have right also to see Communist Soviet symbols is provocative to them, the symbol who lead to killing millions of them during Holodomor genocide --Alex Kosh (talk) 22:12, March 16, 2022 (EDT)
I'm talking facts, not perceptions or relativism. The USSR lost 27 million in WWII, and the US 172,000 - most those in the Pacific. The Russians lost 300,000 in the last 30 miles to Berlin. Do the math (30 miles x 5280 ft per mile = 158,400 ft; 300,000 lives/158,400 ft = ~1 life per 1/2 foot). The Americans did not get within 170 miles of Berlin. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 22:27, March 16, 2022 (EDT)
The United States lost less lives than the Soviet Union because US was wiser than the atheist communist Soviet Union. And we all know what Soviet Union done to its people from genocides, then they become ally with Nazis. The Game changer of WWII was US not Soviet Union. America didnt reach to Berlin but America was first country to enter Germany, America was one who conquer most of Germany, and America was able to reach to Berlin easier and quicker before Soviets, But they did not do this in order to not violate the Yalta Agreement with Stalin, which stipulated giving Eastern Germany to the Red Army. you should stop listening to leftists and communists who give most credit to Soviet Union for defeating Nazis --Alex Kosh (talk) 02:11, March 17, 2022 (EDT)
The United States lost less lives cause Hitler wasn't looking for Lebensraum in America. [23] Your ignorance borders on holocaust denial and trolling. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 21:48, March 17, 2022 (EDT)
LOL 🤣 how I am become Holocust denier by criticizing you? wasnt Stalin who trusted Nazis and signed treaty with them to dividing Poland in 1939? wasnt Stalin who open his border to Nazis, and this is even by Putin confession? so do you consider that wise? do you think Russians wouldnt able to stop German Invasion if Stalin wasnt their president, like what Churchil did? both Nazis and Communists committed genocides and war crimes, criticizing one that doesnt mean I stand with another. Same now with Ukraine and Russia war, I want Conservapedia to be neutral and do not stand with any side commit war crime. thats why I am commenting here --Alex Kosh (talk) 00:51, March 23, 2022 (EDT)
Russia defeated Nazi Germany. Period. Paragraph. End of Chapter. The United States contributed by sending Russian fighting troops cans of Spam. It's the same people tearing down statues of Abraham Lincoln now that compare Putin to Hitler. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 01:09, March 23, 2022 (EDT)
From the first inter-allied conference in Moscow in September 1941 Stalin asked the West to open a Western front, and at all subsequent summits. Meanwhile the US & G.B. puttered around in North Africa and elsewhere while 27 million Russian were slaughtered by the Nazis. Three years later they finally opened the Normandy front, after the Red Army had pretty well decimated the Wehrmacht. Why? To defeat the Nazis? or to save France (which had collaborated with the Nazis to invade the Soviet Union) from being occupied by the Red Army? RobSLet's Go Brandon! 01:20, March 23, 2022 (EDT)
Stalin always felt the West's 3-year delay in opening a Western front was to allow Nazi Germany time to weaken the Soviet Union. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 01:22, March 23, 2022 (EDT)
Actually The Winter is who defeated Nazi Germany not Soviet Union. The United States contributed by opening Southern, Eastern and Pacific fronts against Axis, Without mentioning US and British Air force who massively destroyed German military industry of eastern front. maybe you dont know Putin funded BLM and funded Climate activists and this is from confession of Hillary Clinton by her leaked emails, he didnt want US to be energy independent, and this is their interests, I dont blame them. but I dont want conservapedia to be one sided on this conflict, I want to mentions that Ukrainians are mistreated by Soviet Russians back in history and this is leads many of them to side with Nazi Germans. thats the real roots of this conflict --Alex Kosh (talk) 01:43, March 23, 2022 (EDT)
You're partially correct; the war did not start 4 weeks ago. The present conflict began with the Maidan coup and the Donbas war, when the Nazis that Obama, McCain, Biden & Nuland brought to power began their ethnic cleansing of Russians. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 01:48, March 23, 2022 (EDT)
I am agree with your last words. US ruling elites tried to benefit from grudge that existed between two people of these countries, but that doesnt mean that Putin is innocent and not wrong. --Alex Kosh (talk) 18:22, March 23, 2022 (EDT)

Terrorist regime of Iran uses girls to kill American citizens

Simultaneously with Biden renegotiate Iranian nuclear deal. Iranian regime uses IRGC to attack American consulate in Iraq. and uses Iranian girls inside United States to kill American citizens.

Horrible crime last day in Las Vegas committed by 21 years old Iranian girl Nika Nikoubin stabbed a man on his neck and killing him to revenge for terrorist Qasem Soleimani assassination. All those terrorists attacks come after Biden $29 billion for terrorist regime last month. Iran ‘society set to explode’ while Biden unfreezes $29 billion for regime --Alex Kosh (talk) 13:46, March 13, 2022 (EDT)

Iranian woman, 21, 'lures man she met on dating site Plenty of Fish to Vegas hotel, blindfolds him and STABS him in the neck in retaliation for drone strike that killed General Qasem Soleimani in 2020'

Police: Woman stabbed date in revenge of Iranian’s killing --Alex Kosh (talk) 13:46, March 13, 2022 (EDT)

We definitely need an IRGC article, and have for a long time. Even after Solemeini's assassination, nobody created one. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 20:54, March 14, 2022 (EDT)

Irrationality, WWII's shadow, neo-fascism, post Cold War politics and current Ukraine/Russia/US/NATO politics

Russians gather at Mamayev Hill during Operation Denazification. The idea Russians will have sympathy for NATO-backed Nazis who kill Russians because they are Russian is ludicrous.[1]

I know it may come to surprise to many people, but people are often irrational and the after effects of history still affect today. Watch this video by a prominent University of Chicago professor in international relations about WWII's shadow, neo-fascism, post Cold War politics and the current Ukraine/Russia/US/NATO politics: Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring Professor John Mearsheimer.

I formerly thought that RobS' dialogue about neo-fascists was overblown, but it appears from a Russian mindset that Ukraine neo-fascists scare the hell out of many Russians.

Many times people are trapped in their own cultural bubbles and cannot understand other people's viewpoints so RobS' commentary from a Russian point of view seems totally unreasonable. I am assuming that RobS is a Russian afficianado to some degree.

At the same time, it is true that Putin is a proud and corrupt authoritarian. But Ukraine is a corrupt country too and has some authoritarian traits.

I think the whole thing is a mess and could have been avoided. The West was very proud post Cold War and poked the Russian bear too many times. And there is much nationalism, bad blood and pride/corruption and the Ukraine/Russian war will drag on instead of being resolved quickly. But in the end, Russia will lose if it chooses to be an occupier rather than wreck Ukraine and then quickly leave (Or take just slices out of Ukraine).

On the other hand, maybe Russian supply lines being cut will put a relatively quick end to the war. Conservative (talk) 02:48, March 15, 2022 (EDT)

The Russians do not hate the Ukrainians as much as the Ukrainians hate the Russians. They want reconciliation and healing, but Ukrainians want vengence.
There are similar parallels in the relationships between English and Irish, or Palestinians and Israelis. While the little brother has focused all his energies and attention against the target of his hatred for generations, the greater power has been focused on other things and just regarded Irish, Palestinian, or Ukranian grievances as a nuisance - until things boil over. But the English, Israelis, and Russians never reciprocated the hatred. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 03:23, March 15, 2022 (EDT)
In the Western hemisphere, there are people of Latin American origin (although not widespread) who hate Norte Americano Angelos with a xenophobic hatred, as represented by Fidel Castro, Nikalas Madero, or Hugo Chavez. Americans who are aware of this look upon it with confusion, and certainly do not reciprocate, but try to understand, as they can fit into their schedule, why. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 03:32, March 15, 2022 (EDT)
it appears from a Russian mindset that Ukraine neo-fascists scare the hell out of many Russians.
They are confused about Western double-talk and backstabbing, after Nazism was universally condemned. Now they are through with negotiating and diplomacy. The post-Cold War era is over (dominated by what Mearsheimer calls "Liberal hegemony"), and the Russians will not trust Western powers again, anytime soon, until the West takes steps to reform itself. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 03:44, March 15, 2022 (EDT)
Why Russia is INCAPABLE of Air Superiority in Ukraine.
Without air superiority, Russia will have a much tougher slog.
This war will be a slow grind. Like a Russian bear vs. Ukrainian wolves. It will eventually end with both parties being injured, but neither party getting all that it wants. Conservative (talk) 04:08, March 15, 2022 (EDT)
I've read much of that in recent weeks and days. This is interesting from Defense One: The ‘No-Fly Zone’ Test. Lindsey Graham is willing to answer the first three and role the dice on the rest. But here's the main fact to consider: A NATO No-fly zone makes the territory of the United States, (and Western Europe) part of the battleground. Putin does not bluff. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 04:15, March 15, 2022 (EDT)
Any NATO/US strike on Russian forces (which would be necessary to set up a No-Fly Zone) makes the US territorial homeland, and its warfighting ability, legitimate targets. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 04:18, March 15, 2022 (EDT)
The Russians accounted for this fact going into this war, whereas the US public, leadership, and its propaganda apparatus hasn't a clue even in considering a No-Fly zone. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 04:35, March 15, 2022 (EDT)
There will be no no-fly-zone. NATO/USA would have to take out long range SAMs stationed in Russian territory.
This is a post Cold War proxy war between US/NATO and Russia that the West/Ukraine stumbled into accidentally. If you poke a growling Russian bear enough, you shouldn't be surprised if he attacks. The 2008 Georgia/Russia war and statements Putin made then about NATO was a clear warning. Biden/Harris didn't have the political skills or good sense to prevent this war nor do they have the skills to end it. Conservative (talk) 04:42, March 15, 2022 (EDT)
Amen, We've reached a milestone in history. The post-1945 world order is officially dead. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 06:13, March 15, 2022 (EDT)
Dr. Steve Turley nails it. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 03:36, March 16, 2022 (EDT)
In addition to Mearsheimer and Vladimir Pozner, this guy nails the background & current issues about 99%. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 04:47, March 16, 2022 (EDT)

There's no version of this war than ends with anything other than a significantly diminished Russia. 70-75% of its BTGs are now fully committed to Ukraine and a lot of that materiel is never making it back over the border, thanks to FUBAR logistics, collapsing morale and abandonment, and Western-backed Ukrainian firepower and tactics.

The current rate of attrition is unsustainable and Russia lacks sufficient effective reserve forces to both replace what's been lost and meaningfully increase its current combat manoeuvre power. Even if it did, the logistics and morale issues would fatally undermine the effectiveness of any measurable "surge".

Sanctions will remain in place until Putin is gone and China has zero interest in tying its economic fortunes to the outcome of the biggest strategic blunder since Hitler decided to have a crack at Moscow.

It's likely any new Russian regime will have to submit to reparations and war crimes tribunals if it wants a functioning economy again, and I suspect significant strategic arms reductions will be part of that conversation, too.

Meanwhile, NATO will probably expand to include Sweden and Finland, and in any case, current members will finally get serious about their defence spending commitments and force structures until there's a reliably stable and democratic Russia to the East.

Every right-wing populist Quisling who's cheered on Putin over the years will need to find a new authoritarian strongman to fluff, and also have to grapple with the fact that their prior rhetoric on the subject is now about as popular as the proverbial turd in the pool. ConwayIII (talk) 17:53, March 16, 2022 (EDT)

The West just weakened itself with sanctions. You're assuming the same world that existed since 1991 up to 3 weeks ago still exists or will ever come back into existence.
Oh, and your joke about Hitler attacking a country three times Germany's size is analogous to the victor in that war (that made sure over the past 80 years it would never happen again) to that victor attacking a country a quarter its size is too funny for words. I don't know what your information sources are (likely Western media propaganda apparatus) but your analytical skills are showing.
Hey, FYI, this was posted on youtube about 10 minutes ago. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 18:18, March 16, 2022 (EDT)
...excerpted: "As the hostilities ensue, two groups one pro-Ukraine and another pro-Russia have come into focus - these are the Azov battalion and Chechen fighters. They are potentially two of the most lethal forces available to Ukraine and Russia. ...Viewers may note that a few months after recapturing the strategic port city of Mariupol from the Russian-backed separatists, the unit was officially integrated into the National Guard of Ukraine...President Petro Poroshenko had stated at that time, “These are our best warriors, our best volunteers"....the way these two groups perform on the battlefield will have a large impact on the overall conflict.' Looks like we're on our way to adding another Conservapedia proven right entry. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 20:16, March 16, 2022 (EDT)
My man, the Western economies north of $0.5 trillion / year make up an economic bloc with a nominal GDP of >$50 trillion. China and India can't and won't ignore that economic reality. Same for the Saudis and the other oil and gas producers. Putin's on his own. He knows it, too, so there's no mileage in you pretending otherwise.
As for the march on Moscow analogy, it's entirely apt. Putin didn't have to fight this war and now he's set in motion a sequence of events that is completely beyond his control and which will lead to the collapse of his regime. He might live to see it; he might not. If he's lucky, he'll live out his final years feverishly liquidating internal opposition and putting out endless fires in the Caucasus, whilst the Russian people suffer increasingly North Korean levels of deprivation.
I think there's a fair chance he'll get a nice hot cup of tea before then, though. Here's hoping. ConwayIII (talk) 20:27, March 16, 2022 (EDT)
This just across the wire: IMF Reports the Ukraine Crisis Will ‘Fundamentally Alter’ Global Economic Trade, Finance and Political Order.
I saw a report in Russian this morning something about food consumption having to be reduced 23% in the West due to West sanctions on Russian wheat. I'll have to review it again for a better translation. Bottomline: Russia is bulletproofed and immunized from the effects of sanctions over the past 8 years. They took all these matters in consideration before Feb. 24, whereas US planners can't decide if they want nuclear war or not. And I doubt Americans, Brits, Germans or anybody is gonna be saying "Damn Putin" while they're casting their next vote. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 20:48, March 16, 2022 (EDT)
BTW, I thought trade wars and tariffs were going to destroy the planet long before climate change ever does just a few years ago; now trade wars and sanctions - cutting off whole populations - is our prayer for salvation. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 20:52, March 16, 2022 (EDT)
Nope. Putin planned to roll over the Ukrainians in a few days, install a puppet regime, and present the whole thing to the West as a fait accompli. He figured on sanctions, but never on this scale. He has zero contingency plans for the economic pain that's coming. ConwayIII (talk) 21:07, March 16, 2022 (EDT)
Ok. you confirmed it. You get your information from MSM. May God have mercy on your soul.
Sundance: "The only real losers are American citizens, many of whom were duped into putting Ukraine flags in their social media avatars without thinking about the longer-term consequences. I am of the mind right now to go up to people who are so entrenched in their support for the Ukraine narrative and ask them to remember this exact moment of their advocacy. Please remember this exact moment, because when the inevitable consequences surface – I demand some reference point so you will feel the scale of your participation in your own demise. Something like that. It might be rather snarky, but I would like something similar to that ‘wait, what’ moment when they hear the sound of the latch click on cattle car with them in it, and then they think… Oh, sh*t, what have I done?" RobSLet's Go Brandon! 21:15, March 16, 2022 (EDT)
Day late and a dollar short again. Time: How China’s Response to Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine Could Upend the World Order. That ship has sailed. How come the MSM and idiots who follow it and believe are always the last to know, if ever? RobSLet's Go Brandon! 23:09, March 16, 2022 (EDT)
You're a comically rotten scholar, Rob. Here's some actual Chinese analysis from an academic with close regime ties. You're too lazy to read it, so I'll give you the synopsis: China needs to throw Putin under the bus ASAP. ConwayIII (talk) 14:02, March 17, 2022 (EDT)

The Ukraine/Russia/US/Europe will come out of this conflict weaker as it is a lose/lose/lose scenario. The cost of the war in lives, treasure and economic damage will hurt all parties.

Russia will never pay reparations due to Russian nationalism, Putin and the fact that they possess nuclear weapons. Also, there is too much bitterness for that to happen. Europe needs Russian oil and will not be serious about reparations. If the West demands reparations from Russia, it will have learned nothing from WWI and the Treaty of Versailles.

I suppose that Putin could lose power, but it seem unlikely given his hold on the country due to state television propaganda, police state, etc.

China needs Russian oil and will not break up their relationship with Russia - especially since their relationship with the USA has deteriorated. Joe/Hunter Biden have been bought and paid for by China and Biden will not get tough with China. Even if Joe/Hunter Biden did not receive Chinese graft, Joe Biden is too much of a pantywaist to stand up to China. In addition, big corporation lobbyists will be hard at work to get the Biden administration to not be tough on China.

Joe Biden and his administration are putting the USA's position as the world reserve currency at risk with their bad diplomacy with Saudi Arabia and their attempts to shut Russia out of Western economic system.[24] On the other hand, there are counterarguments to the risk being small as can be seen by Saudi Switch to Yuan Seen as Symbolic, Not True Threat to Dollar. Conservative (talk) 00:26, March 17, 2022 (EDT)

Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the president of Ukraine, has exhibited some admirable behavior as of late such as choosing to stay in the capital of Ukraine and rallying his people. On the other hand, Ukrainian politics was corrupt before the Ukraine/Russia and somewhat authoritarian (but not as authoritarian as Russia). In addition, if Zelenskyy has spent more time studying international relations previously and spent less time dressing as a dancing tranvestite or doing skits like playing the piano with his penis, perhaps Ukraine would have never gotten into this mess. The idea that Russia/Putin would not heavily harm/punish Ukraine for trying to get into NATO was naive and shows a lack of understanding of balance of power politics and history. The Ukrainian people were foolish for electing Volodymyr Zelenskyy. Taiwan is far more skillful in its diplomacy with China, but China may attack Taiwan down the pike anyways. Conservative (talk) 00:47, March 17, 2022 (EDT)
You must've missed the bit where roughly half of Putin's $600 billion war chest was instantly frozen / seized by Western sanctions. Add the fact that his oligarch human wallets have invested *heavily* in luxury US and European property, and it should become clear that reparations are a given at this point. The only question is whether any new Russian regime signs off on them willingly to normalise relations, or tries to struggle on for a bit in glorious and embittered isolation.
You're right to raise the spectre of Versailles, though. Some of those assets should be held in reserve and offered as aid / support for any genuinely peaceful and democratic Russia. Recipients in my preferred order of priority: 1) Ukraine, for reconstruction and compensation for war crimes & loss of life; 2) Russia, for reviving & diversifying its economy and building institutional strength & depth to support the rule of law; 3) compensation for countries providing aid to Ukrainian refugees; 4) compensation for countries providing military aid & supplies to Ukraine. ConwayIII (talk) 14:31, March 17, 2022 (EDT)
The only lingering question at this moment is a Russian strike on NATO supply chains in Ukraine. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 19:33, March 17, 2022 (EDT)
Under existing international law, the US believes it has the right to retaliate with a nuclear first strike. All these agreements now have to be renegotiated (oh, for you people who think Putin is the problem, what do you think will be the position of a Putin successor in those negotiations? Also, China should not be excluded from negotiating international arms control agreements. The question there is, will they even agree to participate? There isn't even a hotline between the US & Beijing like was established between the US and Moscow after the Cuban Missile Crisis.) RobSLet's Go Brandon! 19:40, March 17, 2022 (EDT)
NATO supply chains (also known as outside interference) in Ukraine is the only thing keeping the Ukrainian Nazi regime in power. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 19:41, March 17, 2022 (EDT)
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