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Despite User:Cons incessant trolling and globalist views, Citizen Journalists have defeated the mainstream globalist narrative and saved the planet from Chernobyl 2.0.

(ec) Ok. I apologize, and I will adhere to that policy. I only ask User:Conservative cease his relentless trolling of me with pure nonsense. We have just gone through probably the most difficult week of the Ukraine war, and I must have wasted more than two whole days of that week with his uninformed, unconstructive, redundant, incessant trolling on other talk pages. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 03:02, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

None of this is good faith editing. He apparently just moments ago forged User:Elijahandskip's signature to his user talk page (without a date and time stamp) and there is no record of User:Elijahandskip ever posting to his talk page. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 03:16, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Andy, I replaced Elijahskip's post HERE, with a more recent response I made to my User:Conservative/mail page which came from User: NishantXavier. But I am guessing you are not obsessing over any minutiae related to my posts. Conservative (talk) 03:46, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Bad faith editing is bad faith editing. The question is, why was a polite and cordial invitation from a good faith editor 2 and half years ago ever ignored and summarily deleted in the first place? And why is it resurrected now, after the good faith editor was treated rudely and ignored? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 03:51, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Pardon me, but I don't believe when we passed the "Castle" rule, it gave Admins the right to treat good faith editors rudely and ignore their requests and inquiries. If you wanted to ignore him, that is one thing; to delete his posting completely as if his time and effort is just garbage and beneath you, is another. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 04:00, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

I am not having any further discussions with RobS due to him: rudely using templates covering my texts in civil discussions; reverting cordial posts in civil discussions; falsely calling me a Nazi; screaming over the phone, etc.

I read an interesting article entitled You’re NOT The Average Of The Five People You Surround Yourself With which essentially echos the American basketball coach John Wooden who said “You show me your friends, and I’ll show you your future.” I also recently read the classic assertiveness training book entitled "Your Perfect Right" which is a fantastic book - especially when it comes to dealing with difficult people.

Needless to say, my days of having unnecessary discussions with RobS are over. And I am not reading his content. Conservative (talk) 04:05, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

"Rudely using templates", huh? From now on, what if I just delete the whole talk page you post to, as you have done for 15 years? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 04:10, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Andy, above is a prime example of one if his trolling techniques: to spam the discussion with extraneous and irrelevant material. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 04:12, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Andy, as I am sure you are aware, I have actively attempted to avoid interacting with RobS. And you kindly asking RobS to stop posting to my user talk page should temper his recent obsessive behavior towards me. I suggest that RobS fill his schedule chock-full of meaningful activities rather than obsessively posting to my talk page messages that he knows that I am not interested in. Conservative (talk) 04:18, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

More spam and more bad faith editing. You invited yourself here to Andy's talk page to interrupt my comments to Andy. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 04:24, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, I have nothing further to say to you. I am going to go back to doing more productive things. I suggest you do the same and move on. Life is too short to engage in pointless obsessions and petty bickering. But by all means, feel free to engage in last wordism. Conservative (talk) 04:32, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

I do not believe, as you told me on the phone, that Andy agrees with you that conservativism means being stubborn and ignorant. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 04:36, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

More bad faith editing

After being called out for dishonesty and fraud by altering an editor's good faith posting, he again misuses the Deletion log to cover his tracks. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 04:55, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

• 3+ hours and 65 edits on an Attack page. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:12, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

I have been trolled now for 5 hours with specious editing and an attack page, wasting an entire day. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:37, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

• Ever since User:Conservative made his "final post" to a Debate page this morning, he has turned it into another spamfest with nearly 40,000 bytes of anti-Catholic bigotry. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:15, August 4, 2023 (EDT)

NishantXavier is the person debating me RobS - not you. And NishantXavier has criticized various Protestants and Protestantism in our Protestantism vs. Catholicism debate and of course I am going to criticize Catholicism and various Catholics in our debate.

In addition, the User: Conservative account has had a Catholic editor use the account. I haven't had problems with the Catholic editor who shared the User: Conservative account for entire time he has used the account (And Andy doesn't have any issues with him either and allowed me to share the account with him). Also, Andy Schlafly is a Catholic and we have a cordial relationship. And unlike you, RobS, I have never been desysoped by Andy due to uncivil behavior. Conservative (talk) 20:27, August 4, 2023 (EDT)

Go on, just keep venting your spleen against Roman Catholicism for 12 hours after you said you made your final post. That, by any definition is trolling and being incourteous to other users' time. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:38, August 4, 2023 (EDT)

I have an inclination that our debate is winding down. I know I have touched upon the most relevant points I wished to make. It's been a while since I was a Catholic so it took a while for me to recall some of the points about Catholicism that I neglected to mention in the first 90% of our debate. In addition, I was mainly responding to User: NishantXavier throughout most of the debate. But in the latter portion of the debate, I initiated some of my own points. Conservative (talk) 21:14, August 4, 2023 (EDT)

The Debate was supposed to be about you responding to criticism of the writings of Martin Luther, not attacking Catholicism. Nice venture into whataboutism. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 21:27, August 4, 2023 (EDT)

I disagree. The title of the debate is: Debate: Luther, Protestantism vs. Catholicism: Which is better? and User: NishantXavier has made many posts to it. Conservative (talk) 21:45, August 4, 2023 (EDT)

Why would I agree to a "boxing match" where I could merely block my opponent's jabs, but I couldn't make any counter jabs? I would never agree to such a debate. Conservative (talk) 21:49, August 4, 2023 (EDT)

You're trolling now. All anyone needs to do is read the "debate" from the top line. It began with you calling the Body of Christ "a corrupt joke" two years ago, and standing by your statement now. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:38, August 4, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, you called Catholicism "a false gospel" as can be seen HERE. Conservative (talk) 22:42, August 4, 2023 (EDT)

I said the Roman Church teaches a false gospel (as many, many churches do). That's a far cry from calling the church members "a corrupt joke", which you've had three years to ponder over and doubled down on. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 23:24, August 4, 2023 (EDT)

• He has dozens of times to myself and to other users, in CP, on the phone, and in emails, said he has no interest in politics and is withdrawing from discussions, yet continues creating trolling Essays in support of globalism and Ukrainian Naziism. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:54, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

Essay space used to create incivil attack pages on other editors

Andy, doesn't this violate a basic precept you asked editors not to engage in some time ago? Please intervene. Thank you. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:28, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, just because someone disagrees with you and defends a post he made about Ukraine (which you posted on your user page) by giving the context and historical context, that does not violate Conservapedia's civility rules in any way.

Civility not equal alway agreeing with RobS or not defending one's position when it is unfairly attacked in a way that does not give adequate context. Conservative (talk) 19:33, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

Essay:Nonsensical postings made by a certain Admin (Please add to the list). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:40, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

Bottom line: RobS, You keep wanting to bait me (In this case with an out-of-context quote of mine that you put atop your user page without the context of the material I said around it nor the historical context) and then insist that I do not give a rebuttal. Well, I am going to give a rebuttal. And it is very unreasonable of you to not think that I will not give a rebuttal or do not have the right to do so. Conservative (talk) 19:42, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

If Andy doesn't respond, I guess it's open season. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:44, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

Folks, let's stick with the substantive editing to encyclopedic entries. It's far more beneficial to all. We do have a 90/10 Rule against talk. Thanks!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 21:21, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

I agree Andy. Have you looked at RobSmith's user page? He's obsessed with me. I must have struck a nerve with some of my essays. I encouraged RobSmith to post counter essays that argued the opposite of some of my essays, but apparently, he knew he couldn't marshall the evidence and sound arguments to do so. Conservative (talk) 13:52, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

My advice: Watch Gerald Celente's latest video [1] and post up some Conservapedia proven right rather than climbing in bed with globalists; after all, you used him at least 22 times on MPR. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 14:22, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

RobSmith, in the past you argued that the USA should have the big military budgets it had in the past and currently has. I have always argued for a much smaller USA military budget and balanced budgets for the USA. Who is the globalist?

Also, Conservapedia's globalism article states: "Globalism is anti-American in encouraging Americans to adopt a "world view" rather than an "American view." The ultimate goal of globalism is the eventual unification of humanity under a one-world government. Communists and Marxists are using globalization to advance their political aims."

RobS, did you not write this statement: "IOWs, if you don't have anything positive to say about socialists and communists, just shut up, at least for the duration of the war. Read the bios of Bill Donovan, Frank Knox, and Henry Stimson. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, you especially need to just shut up. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:54, January 21, 2023 (EST)".

And RobS, who most bitterly hates my essay The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future? Is it not you? Conservative (talk) 14:32, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

I'm just looking at your sources, like the Council on Foreign Relations, for example.

If you wish to side with Nazis, that's your business. I can only warn you. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 14:38, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

You should have stuck with Celente, rather than NeverTrumpers, like Ian Bremmer. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 14:40, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, you are just angry that the evidence suggests that in terms of international relations, the evidence indicates that the world is largely bipolar and not multipolar. See: Essay: The myth of multipolarity. What do the terms unipolar, bipolar and multipolar mean as far as international relations?

I quote John Joseph Mearsheimer who said in 2023: "The Americans have a vested interest in pivoting full force to East Asia, to contain China. The Americans view China as a more serious threat than Russia. It’s very important to understand that China is a peer competitor to the United States. China is a rising great power and is a threat to the US in ways that Russia is not. So the Americans have a vested interest in not getting bogged down in a war in eastern Europe, more specifically in Ukraine. Furthermore, they have a vested interest in doing everything they can to make sure that Russia and China are not close allies. What happens as a result of the Ukraine war is that it’s almost impossible for the US to fully pivot in Asia." [2] See also: Essay: Why I am not bullish on Russia's future.

Also, Ian Bremmer agrees more with you about China's ability for growth in the future (for the next 10 years at least) and I merely cite him as a counterargument to my belief that China's future does not look good. Once gain, you are using the genetic fallacy. Just because I cite Iam Bremmer about one matter, it does not mean that I agree with him on that matter or on all matters. Please stop being illogical. Conservative (talk) 15:03, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

P.S. User: RobSmith, just look at your user page. As I have said several times, "The cat that gets hit by the shoe, yelps the loudest". Conservative (talk) 15:10, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

Look, you never heard the terms "unipolar, bipolar, or multipolar" until I introduced them to you. You are in way over your head. Go find some other living human being on social media to latch on to and harass other than myself, since you've been kicked out of Rationalwiki and have been told not to use CP to harass Ratwikians. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:08, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, evidence? Show me one instance of you using the word "bipolar" on this website as far as "international relations". I have a fairly good memory and I cannot recall you using the word "bipolar" in terms of international relations.

I am getting the feeling that your high degree of narcissism is kicking in as far as you being the one who introduced the word bipolar to me in terms of internationalism. But prove me wrong. Conservative (talk) 15:19, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

RobSmith/Esaay:Hillary's_Inner_Goldwater_girl#The_past_is_present. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:19, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, as I just did a search for the word "bipolar" on the page RobSmith/Esaay:Hillary's_Inner_Goldwater_girl#The_past_is_present as can be seen HERE and there are no instances of the word "bipolar" being on that page.

It looks like you just struck out, Mr. High Degree of Narcissism. Conservative (talk) 15:25, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

Uh duh, try hyphenating it. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:27, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

I just found it using a hypen. Regardless, your essay only received 232 page views. Like most people, I certainly didn't read it. Conservative (talk) 15:30, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

The essay was originally written for Rationalwiki in the 2016 presidential election; I moved a copy to user space here sometime afterward. I've used research material from it in several articles here since. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:32, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

Given that essay was written in 2015-2016, I used the term "tri-polar" rather than multipolar. The issue of India joining the permanent members of the UN Security Council, if I recall, was dealt with in another piece elsewhere. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:30, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

You're in over your head. Let's stick with what we know here. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:42, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, look at my user page at: User:Conservative. It doesn't mention you a single time which is very fitting. On the other hand, looking at User: RobSmith, you are certainly obsessed with me. I am the bee that is in your bonnet. As a famous boxer once said, "Fly like a butterfly and sting like a bee!". I certainly stung your views on St. Putin, Russia and the future of Russia and multipolarism. It's driving you mad and your obsessed with me. Conservative (talk) 16:00, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

Breaks my heart. Delete this garbage and I'll be happy to make a revision. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 16:06, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

I will delete the material that is a bee under your bonnet. Now if means your user page doesn't mention me that would certainly show that you are moving in the right direction and are no longer obsessed with me. Conservative (talk) 16:15, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

There I deleted it. Now it's time to show that have ended your obsession with me or that it is at least winding down. Conservative (talk) 16:17, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

I made a gesture of good faith and deleted my user space essay which partly responded to your commentary on your user page which I believe quoted me out of context and made it appear as if I meant something I clearly did not mean. But I see you made some main page edits, but did not reciprocate by removing your nonsense relating to me on your user page.

Your lack of reciprocity was not surprising. Why do I say that?

RobSmith you wrote: "You are and I'll put it in the Acknowledgements. If everything goes right, hopefully it'll stand next to the Dialogues of Plato, Socratic method, and Machiavelli Discourses in classrooms someday. nobs 00:20, 29 January 2017 (UTC)"[3]

Robs, putting yourself on the same plane of Plato shows that you have a gargantuan amount of narcissism. And Machiavelli is known for his duplicitous and cynical hunger for power so it does not surprise me that you hold him in high esteem.

When I see that you are ending your ending your obsession with me on your user page, which I believe in malevolent in nature and unprincipled, then I will delete my user space essay response to it.

But it is rather humorous that you are obsessed with me on your user page because I tipped over some false, golden, pet hypotheses calves of yours. Conservative (talk) 17:39, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

What are you rattling on about now? I can't keep up with your convoluted logic and reasoning.

I'm still trying to make sense out of how you link me to the views of Ian Bremmer. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:47, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

The three Dark Triad personality subtypes are narcissism, Machiavellianism and psychopath. Overall, the Dark Triad personality traits share certain features, such as emotional coldness, duplicity, and aggressiveness.[4]

Health.com states concerning people with dark triad personality traits and one of the best ways to deal with them: "...people with dark triad personality traits may be able to change, but the likelihood of that happening is "minuscule," noted Hokemeyer. "The personality traits that make up a dark triad are deeply ingrained in their psyche and highly resistant to any sort of challenge that would manifest a change. The best strategy is to move away from them as quickly as possible."[5]

RobSmith, again you wrote: "You are and I'll put it in the Acknowledgements. If everything goes right, hopefully it'll stand next to the Dialogues of Plato, Socratic method, and Machiavelli Discourses in classrooms someday. nobs 00:20, 29 January 2017 (UTC)"[6]

Is it surprising you put yourself on the same plane as Plato and Socrates given your narcissism? Is surprising you love the work of Machiavelli and practice Machiavellianism so you are duplicitous and show no remorse? None of this is surprising.

But I laugh at your obsessive, futile and aggressive quest for power over me that overflows on your user page. It's so desperate. If only you could create counter-essays that refute my essays. I certainly have invited you to do so.

And my user page at User: Conservative is certainly is not going to mention someone as inconsequential as you. At this point, I am taking Health.com's advice and totally ignoring you. Conservative (talk) 19:27, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

Okay, clean up all that garbage and I'll be happy to revise my Castle page. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:34, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

Keep it up. Let it be a memorial to your Dark Triad personality traits and your love and admiration of Machiavellianism. But know this: I laugh at your obsessiveness and your desperation.

Put that your Machiavelli Discourses pipe and smoke it! Conservative (talk) 19:42, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

You should go to work for the Biden Justice Department; it's pretty sad when a reader can't discern between a joke and reality. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:46, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

And you should be proud of yourself: you found a way to maliciously attack your imaginary enemies in Mainspace articles rather than trying to educate the public with encyclopedia articles, or using Essay space to attack other editors. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:39, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

Get a girlfriend RobSmith. Maybe that will help you with being so obsessed with me on your user page. While I do laugh it, it is rather pathetic and desperate.

“...to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee.” - Captain Ahab, Herman Melville's book Moby Dick.

Ahab longed to find the White Whale and get revenge for the leg he lost. RobSmith longs to have his pet hypotheses that I put through my meatgrinder essays. RobSmith, write counter-essays to my essays - unless of course you lack evidence and sound arguments. Conservative (talk) 20:13, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

I'd guess, since April 2022 when you stepped in doggie doo-doo talking about geopolitics - a subject the more you speak about reveals the less you understand - you've expended well over 150,000 bytes on nonsense (some of which you actually deleted) and probably over 300 hours; my problem is you probably wasted well over 30 hours of my time with your trolling. And you got your underwear in a knot cause you said on April 17, 2022, "The next month will not determine global politics for the next 30 years" after NATO quashed a peace agreement between Ukraine and Russia and went peddle-to-the-metal with all out war. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:21, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, I explained why that tentative peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine in April of 2022 was more fragile than most vases and inconsequential HERE. You never provided a counterargument. You merely ranted.

And Putin's decision to launch his special invasion in February of 2022 into Ukraine didn't stop Russia's demographic decline. It accelerated Russia's demographic decline. See: Russia's fertility rate and Demographics of Russia and Aging of Russia. Conservative (talk) 21:17, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

You thought it was just another far away war against goat herders that could last 2 weeks or 20 years and wouldn't affect you; you swallowed MSM BS hook, line, and sinker. And you still do. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 21:21, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

You're missing a good live update on the war right now. You ought to be trying to educate yourself, rather than get into these stupid arguments with me. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 21:28, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

And Mearsheimer has a new vid, too (even though everything you write contradicts what he says). RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 21:32, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

RobSmith, Dr. Al Siebert who was a former paratrooper wrote the book The Survivor Personality: Why Some People are Stronger, Smarter, and More Skillful at Handling Life’s Difficulties…and How You Can Be, Too. Siebert offers his findings from autobiographies and hundreds of interviews. He interviewed survivors of adversity such as war, cancer, abuse, job loss, and addictions.

A book summary of his book can be found HERE.

Consider buying the book. Perhaps then, you wouldn't have such a cupcake view of how this war is going to very much negatively effect you. As far me, I am quite confident that I will have a wonderful remainder of my life that is full of glorious victories!

"Not that I am referring to being in need, for I have learned to be content with whatever I have. I know what it is to have little, and I know what it is to have plenty. In any and all circumstances I have learned the secret of being well-fed and of going hungry, of having plenty and of being in need. I can do all things through Him who strengthens me." - The Apostle Paul, Philippians 4:11-13. Conservative (talk) 21:56, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

Good. Ignorance is bliss.

Do you have the same racist attitude toward the people of Niger that you have against the Asiatic hordes people of the Russian Federation? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:02, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

There you go with your Machiavellian duplicitousness again. You know darn well, I listen to Russian/Slavic music, Russian Orthodox music and Russian classical music as can be seen HERE, HERE and HERE.

I know Dark Triad personality traits are deeply ingrained in your psyche, but I suggest repenting so they can be "degrained" in your psyche. Conservative (talk) 22:11, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

Meaningless. Your only argument is, "They all are going to die anyway cause of a low birthrate and demographics, so who cares?" RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:16, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

Health.com states concerning people with dark triad personality traits and one of the best ways to deal with them: "...people with dark triad personality traits may be able to change, but the likelihood of that happening is "minuscule," noted Hokemeyer. "The personality traits that make up a dark triad are deeply ingrained in their psyche and highly resistant to any sort of challenge that would manifest a change. The best strategy is to move away from them as quickly as possible."[8]

Bye RobS. I hope you get over your obsession with me for your sake. Conservative (talk) 22:24, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

I'll pray for you, that your mental health recovers. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:28, August 12, 2023 (EDT)

"the one who introduced the word bipolar to me in terms of internationalism."

I get it now. Pardon me for being a bit slow sometimes in trying to make sense of your postings. "in terms of internationalism". Ok. When I first used the term "bipolar", you confused it with bipolar disorder, which you're probably more familiar with. After a day or two of googling, you became an "expert" to refute anything I post.

Ok, now it makes sense. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:03, August 13, 2023 (EDT)

See how he maliciously continues this trolling. Who is Alexander J. Motyl? Wikipedia says, "Motyl's parents emigrated as refugees from Western Ukraine after World War II," i.e. "Western Ukraine", the territory Russians today call Banderastan. Why did they emigrate? Motyl's parents were Nazi collaborators and wanted Nazi war criminals in the Soviet Union. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 10:54, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

He never bothers to do the basic research; he creates Essays and Mainspace articles, not for educational purposes, but rather to attack his own perceived personal "enemies".

Atlantic Council: Bandera: Hero of Ukraine?, By Alexander Motyl, March 15, 2010. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 11:25, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

And what does Motyl say in his Reminiscences? A "recent PhD from Stanford [University], Ian Bremmer, who was a friend of mine", or Motyl gets all giddy about receiving money from George Soros, among other highlights or rather lowlights. But these are the "expert sources" User:Conservative is using to refute my writings on the Ukraine war and his defense of Ukrainian nazism. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 11:39, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

User:Conservative did the same thing with Samuel Huntington's Clash of Civilizations, which he never read, to promote globalism, and which Motyl even comments on in Reminiscences:

"in general the stuff we produce has an impact on the discourse and the framing of issues, but that’s about it. It’s more a kind of glacial impact. And then once in a while, right, I mean, you’ll have a guy like Samuel [P.] Huntington produce a catchy book called Clash of Civilizations, and then everybody’s quoting him."

RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 11:51, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

July 7, 2023

Interesting, Jill Lepore on the great Mrs. P. Schlafly [10] (FiringLine, Jul 7, 2023).Telling (talk) 17:53, July 9, 2023 (EDT)

Thanks for the link!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 17:55, July 9, 2023 (EDT)

NP. Quote from Lepore: ..I think Schlafly’s just fascinating. She really has been ignored by historians for two reasons. One, academic historians, who tend to be liberal, have really been bad at offering a history of the rise of the modern conservative movement, this just tremendously important political insurgency, you know, since the 1950s, of which, you know, Buckley’s Firing Line was an important element. And then conservative historians just haven’t really paid attention to Schlafly because she was a woman.Telling (talk)

That's a very interesting quote. Thank you. Perhaps there could be a new entry that devoted to this issue.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 20:28, July 9, 2023 (EDT)

Tnanks Andy. Your opinion on this please?Telling (talk)

It's superb! Very well done. Thank you!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 02:23, July 10, 2023 (EDT)

Request

Hi Andy, can you please tell Karajou that I'm deeply sorry for my iniquities against him two years ago during the massive intra-Conservapedia dispute and that I would be interested in talking to him again? Thanks. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 15:22, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

Don't fall for it Andy. It's just another one of these conspiracies to sow division in Conservapedia and attack active editors. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:04, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

RobSmith, you insisted over and over again 2–3 years ago that if Karajou was defrocked, you would be able to fix Conservapedia. Your promise at this point can be clearly seen as a broken one. All you've done is turn the site into a laughingstock. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 16:33, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

How many blocks and vandal attacks have we had in the past 8-9 months? There used to be a half dozen daily.

I never said Kara should be defrocked; I said he needed to be reined in and counselled on the proper role and duties of an Admin. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:00, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

"i nEvEr" Oh really? How many more instances of liberal denial will you propagate before I pull out a list of receipts proving the liar you are? "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." (John 8:44) —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 18:25, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

Misuing and misquoting scripture is "taking the Lord's name in vain". I never claimed to be descended from Abraham. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:43, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

Does an individual have to incorrectly claim to have Abraham as their father to qualify as a child of Satan? The basic concept is applied, both overtly and covertly, throughout the Bible. The Apostle Paul told Elymas the Sorcerer: "O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?" (Acts 13:10) —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 21:21, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

Now you're trolling Andy's talk page. This discussion should be moved elsewhere. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:05, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

You're one to talk on the issue of trolling! —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 22:14, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

What goes around comes around. Do unto others. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:21, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

The importance of diversification and resiliency. The tale of the followers of a tired and dying ideology whose web traffic is dying

Andy, since March of 2023 the website Internet Infidels lost 50% of its traffic.

Western atheism had too many eggs in the Richard Dawkins and secular leftism basket. Dawkins is far less popular (See: Richard Dawkins' loss of influence). And now that Joe Biden is very unpopular and Europe is moving to the political right, that further hurt the atheistic cause and this is only going to get worse due to right-wing populism growing. On top of this, the mainstream media has lost a lot of trust and they used to promote atheism more in the past (See: Atheism and public relations). Also, people with professor values promoted atheism and many colleges are closing.

I predict that the next economic recession is going to REALLY hurt the atheistic cause due to the superior fundraising/resources of Christendom (See: Atheist fundraising vs. religious fundraising).

Conservapedia needs to expand its content because its atheism traffic could taper off over time due to less and less people having interest in atheism. Look at how much traffic to atheist websites is falling: Internet atheism and Internet atheism web traffic volume.

Christendom is going to go from victory to victory (See: Future of Christianity). Deus Vult!!! Conservative (talk) 09:27, July 20, 2023 (EDT)

You need more editors to do that, and it's not done by chasing away editors. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!}

I do have one regret about LT. When I wrote about LT "If he wants to be nasty and contentious (see his initial post on this page), then good riddance. Conservative (talk) 15:30, July 13, 2023 (EDT)", that was too harsh. LT is young and is more hot-headed. I know he hates right-wing populism. And to be fair, among other things, right-wing populists are not very good at balancing budgets when countries have a big amount of sovereign debt. Conservative (talk) 10:29, July 20, 2023 (EDT)

In addition, when I titled my essay On behalf of all Christians who are politically right-leaning, I hereby declare victory! Olé! Olé! Olé!, I could have just used merely one "Olé!". Maybe using three olés was too provocative. :) Conservative (talk) 10:35, July 20, 2023 (EDT)

It's not what you think or believe., it's how you interact with others that matters. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 10:23, July 20, 2023 (EDT)

Andy can fix the login problem. But editor retention is important so template pollution through uncivilly covering up people's civil content via a template needs to end. Conservative (talk) 10:41, July 20, 2023 (EDT)

Make up your mind if you want editor retention or not. You're sending mixed signals. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 10:42, July 20, 2023 (EDT)

Robert Louis Stevenson

I am a fan of Robert Louis Stevenson too. When I was a young man I loved the book Treasure Island and the short story The Tell-Tale Heart.

I usually read nonfiction, but I think the next non-fiction works that I read will be Pilgrim's Progress, Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. Conservative (talk) 20:40, July 22, 2023 (EDT)

The Tell-Tale Heart was by Edgar Allan Poe. I encourage reading the free, available online Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. It is remarkably conservative and brilliantly written.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 21:54, July 22, 2023 (EDT)

Thanks. I just found a free PDF copy of the book at: Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde - Free PDF copy. Conservative (talk) 22:59, July 22, 2023 (EDT)

There are many Christian and conservative phrases in it. I guess that's why it is rarely part of high school reading today!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 23:43, July 22, 2023 (EDT)

The first sentence of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde - Free PDF copy: "Mr. Utterson the lawyer was a man of a rugged countenance that was never lighted by a smile; cold, scanty and embarrassed in discourse; backward in sentiment; lean, long, dusty, dreary and yet somehow lovable."

"Rugged countenance"? That sounds like "toxic masculinity". :) Conservative (talk) 23:52, July 22, 2023 (EDT)

That is a great example of manliness in literature. I've added it to several entries. Thanks!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 14:01, July 23, 2023 (EDT)Conservapedia:Copyrights

https://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Copyrights

Question

I have been meaning to ask you this for a long time, But what happen to the 'Create Account' button, my friend is trying to create himself a new account but their is no way to do so because the option is missing, What happened?

I've been focusing on content. Legitimate new users can email me at aschlafly@aol.com to obtain a new account. A reference or some verification of good faith is preferred. Thanks.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 16:32, July 23, 2023 (EDT)

Using Essay space to attack other editors is a fundamental violation of CP civility rules

[11] He's free to do it in his own userspace. I thought we settled this matter. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:51, July 26, 2023 (EDT)f

The essay made no mention of you. Expressing views you disagree with or don't like is not a personal attack. You are behaving incivilly and intolerantly. If you want a place on the internet where only views that you agree with and like are expressed, launch a blog or website that you own and have complete control over. Conservative (talk) 16:19, July 29, 2023 (EDT)

That's a lie. The entire Essay then, and now as it remains in your user space, is predicated on a statement I made In April 2022, which you at the time refuted. And now you spent 50,000 bytes and several weeks trying to walk away from the refutation cause you can't simply delete it, as has become your habit when you make stupid remarks. 16:38, July 30, 2023 (EDT)

Undelete the essay dealing with Russian war crimes in Ukraine and show us where it mentions you. Conservative (talk) 16:44, July 30, 2023 (EDT)

{ec) That's what the Scroll Template is for: for when an editor makes a trolling, nonsensical, or off topic remark intended to derail discussion. The Scroll Template is one solution to Admins abusing their power with deletion, deleting whole discussions and other editor's postings when the Admin makes stupid or embarrassing comments. An Admin should first function as a Moderator, resolving problems and conflicts, not stirring up conflict on Talk pages with spam and self-serving off-topic references. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 16:51, July 30, 2023 (EDT)

You unsurprisingly failed to show I lied - very predictable. I am moving on.

I predict that Andy will totally ignore your spurious complaint.

Feel free to engage in last wordism. Conservative (talk) 16:54, July 30, 2023 (EDT)

Here's your Essay attack on me in your user space. You just lied again. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:04, July 30, 2023 (EDT)

You're trying to waste my time as my former essay on Russia war crimes in Ukraine did not mention you. I am not going to sucked into your dysfunctional behavior. Conservative (talk) 17:24, July 30, 2023 (EDT)

You'ew being deliberately deceptive and disingenuous again, trying to bamboozle Andy this time with more BS. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 21:52, July 30, 2023 (EDT)

Kingdom

Hebrews 1:8 called. Said "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

I've got missed calls from a bunch of Psalms and others as well, but I figured we should probably cut straight to the Son as man Himself. ConwayIII (talk) 20:16, July 31, 2023 (EDT)

You make a great point, and I'll consider this carefully. Will respond later tonight after studying this in depth. Thank you.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 22:39, July 31, 2023 (EDT)

The New Living Translation breaks from the pressure to use "kingdom" and instead translates this verse as:

The KJV rendition that you quote above strains to use "kingdom" in overly a repetitive way. Rather, the statement would be far stronger if it emphasized that righteousness is the standard in God's paradise, as in "a scepter of righteousness is the standard of thy paradise."--Andy Schlafly (talk) 23:30, July 31, 2023 (EDT)

Andy, thrones and sceptres are the things of kings and kingdoms. ConwayII has you in a Bible exegesis full-nelson and I don't see you getting out of it. Conservative (talk) 00:23, August 1, 2023 (EDT)

Appreciate the humor and the challenge! But ancient Greece had no "thrones and sceptres," and neither did ancient Greek. Like "kingdom", those terms are also figments of the monarchical England. Thus checkmate. Ha ha hal. A still better rendition:

Respectfully, no. Hebrews 1:8 is a deliberate riff on Psalm 45:6: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

Cf. Psalm 103:19 (The Lord hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all.), Psalm 145:1 (I will extol thee, my God, O king; and I will bless thy name for ever and ever.) and the repeated and reinforcing use of majesty in verses 5 and 12.

The trials and tribulations of various earthly kings and kingdoms is a major thread running right through the OT, and Hebrew's contemporary audience would have had zero difficulty thinking of God in those monarchical terms. You might not like it, but that's not really relevant, is it?

As a final note, I urge you to go back to the Greek myths and any reliable history of the actual ancient Greece. You'll find plenty of kings. ConwayIII (talk) 06:17, August 1, 2023 (EDT)

Like King Agamemnon, for instance. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 11:45, August 1, 2023 (EDT)

Ancient Greek did not even have a word for "king", which is mostly an Anglophile obsession. All the "king" and "kingdom" language in the English translations of the New Testament is a dilution by the Brits.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 13:15, August 1, 2023 (EDT)

Oedipus Rex, usually translated Oedipus the King. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 13:29, August 1, 2023 (EDT)

And from Rex we get a whole family of words, like reign, royal, Reich, etc. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 13:30, August 1, 2023 (EDT)

(Outdent) OK. Let's do this in French, German and Spanish, and then look at the Vulgate Latin and the Septuagint Greek. Psalm 145:1:

• Je t'exalterai, ô mon Dieu, mon roi! Et je bénirai ton nom à toujours et à perpétuité.
• Ich will dich erheben, mein Gott, du König, und deinen Namen loben immer und ewiglich.
• Te exaltaré mi Dios, oh Rey, y bendeciré tu nombre eternamente y para siempre.
• Exaltabo te, Deus meus rex ; et benedicam nomini tuo in sæculum, et in sæculum sæculi.
• Ὑψώσω σε, ὁ θεός μου ὁ βασιλεύς μου, καὶ εὐλογήσω τὸ ὄνομά σου εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα καὶ εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα τοῦ αἰῶνος·

Herodotus used the same language 100+ years before the Septuagint was compiled. A very sensible chap called Demaratus asks Xerxes (a king of kings!) if he's really in the mood for some plain speaking and repeatedly addresses him with the honorific Βασιλεῦ. See end of 101 and beginning of 102: English Greek

ConwayIII (talk) 14:48, August 1, 2023 (EDT)

This is terrific information, but your French/German/Spanish translations above are of a verse in Psalms, not the Epistle to the Hebrews. Psalms was not originally written in Greek, and the Old Testament does refer to kings. The ancient Greek does not, as it had different types of government. The less biased Wiktionary explains that the primary meaning of βασιλεύς is "chief, master" and its notes describes it as an authority who could, as in a foreign ruler, coincidentally be a king there (but not in Greece). [12]--Andy Schlafly (talk) 17:56, August 1, 2023 (EDT)

A king or kingdom denotes an heredity bloodline for the "continuity of government", a Republic has no such doctrine. This is why the Roman Catholic Church adopted celibacy, so that no heredity bloodline would have a claim on the Papacy. In Islam, Shia Islam traces its origins to the family of Mohammad, whereas Sunni Islam traces its origins to the Prophet and his Companions. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:32, August 1, 2023 (EDT)

What's Wiktionary got to do with this? I've just pointed to you to Herodotus (an ancient Greek historian writing c. 430 BC) using Βασιλεῦ in reference to Xerxes, the Persian king (c. 518 – 465 BC) famed for his invasion of Greece. This is a primary linguistic source and obviously relevant re. translating βασιλείας as "kingdom" in Hebrews 1:8.

The ancient Greeks had these words (and others) for "king" and "kingdom" and your claims to the contrary are simply untrue.

I'd prefer it if you'd have the grace to concede this narrow point so we can get back to the meat of the discussion. Thanks, ConwayIII (talk) 19:20, August 1, 2023 (EDT)

Conway, your scholarship is excellent and I'm learning from it. Seriously, I mean it. You're right that the verse in Hebrews is a paraphrase, almost a direct quote, in Greek of the verse in Psalms.

But languages do sometimes lack words for certain terms. It seems natural that Herodotus used the Greek word for authority to refer to Xerxes. He was indeed an authority, a ruler. That doesn't prove that the Greek term meant "king". And jumping from there to translate the corresponding Greek term as "kingdom" is a bridge too far, it seems to me. I don't intend to be disagreeable about this, and most English translations side with you. I attribute that the immense British, pro-monarchical influence over the English translations. I admit that any version today which departed from that tradition is not going to sell very many copies! But with "kingdom" today connoting Mickey Mouse and other silliness, overreliance on that term may be causing folks to drive away from the benefits they could obtain from an undiluted translation.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 22:00, August 1, 2023 (EDT)

It's an interesting discussion, but I'm going to thumbnail the issue here:

God initially told Moses when he delivered the law that Israel was not to be like other people, and God was to be both their God and king. But God prophesized through Moses that one day the people would rebel and demand a king. When they entered the land, they had Judges, and not a king. Later in Samuel's day the people rebelled and wanted a king, and God told Samuel to grant them their wish. Samuel anointed Saul, and later David. This succession of kings continued until the Babylonian captivity, when the kingdom was destroyed. But the prophecy of a messiah was that he would restore the kingdom. The genealogies in Matthew and Luke attest to the fact that Jesus was heir to the promises made to David.

The Pharisees told Pilot that Jesus was a fraud and he was challenging Ceasar for the title of King of the Jews (they feared reprisals against the people if the Romans interpreted people calling Jesus 'king' as rebellion against Roman occupation, as well as their own loss of power among the people).

IOWs, the prophecies of a messiah were, and are, interpreted as also meaning 'king'. Now remember, God advised against wanting or having a king, but gave them what they wanted anyway. It wasn't the first time. There are many instances in the bible where God offers people a choice, advises on what God says is the right choice, people reject what God says and he grants them what they wanted anyway. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:14, August 2, 2023 (EDT)

For example: You may eat of the trees of the garden, except for the tree in the midst of the garden..., etc. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 09:29, August 5, 2023 (EDT)

"At once I was in the spirit, and there in heaven stood a throne, with one seated on the throne!" (Revelation 4:2 NRSV)

"They will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful.” {Revelation 17:14 ESV)

At Conservapedia, we have no king but Jesus! Conservative (talk) 12:21, August 2, 2023 (EDT)

One more note: When Jesus asked, What think ye Christ, whose son is he, David's or God's? And they responded, 'David's'. And Jesus said 'Why then does David in spirit call him Lord? - Jesus is making a direct reference to Psalm 45, which then again is cited in Hebrews chapter 1. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 13:05, August 2, 2023 (EDT)

@Andy: That's certainly gracious (thanks), but it's definitely not conceding the point. Let's try this instead:

1. OT authors properly referred to earthly kings and kingdoms when writing in the original Hebrew or Aramaic.
2. The authors of Psalms 45, 103 & 145 used precise monarchical imagery re. God, again when writing in the original Hebrew or Aramaic.
3. The author of Hebrews chose to replicate that imagery, most notably and precisely at 1:8.
4. Therefore, if the author of Psalm 45 intended to say "kingdom" in verse 6, then the author of Hebrews intended to say "kingdom" at 1:8 whether or not you agree βασιλείας adequately captures that concept.
5. Given your beliefs re. the author of Hebrews, there can be no question re. error in His word choice.
6. In short, He chose βασιλείας as the most accurate Greek rendition of "kingdom" available to Him.

I think you'd like to say that, if He was writing Hebrews today, He would likely choose a different word, such as "paradise", and perhaps even abandon the monarchical imagery entirely, for the reasons you've outlined.

That's a very different argument to the one you've made so far, and one that many (most?) people would find very presumptuous.

It does, however, have the distinct advantage of accurately capturing your sincere beliefs without foundering linguistically or logically. Essentially, it's a WWJD? exercise re. the decline of monarchy and the development of the English language. ConwayIII (talk) 15:57, August 2, 2023 (EDT)

Conway, your argument is brilliant and I'm learning from it. Ten years ago I would have been more argumentative in disagreement than today. You are certainly at least mostly right here, and I had never thought of this before. Well done.

I'm not totally convinced as to "kingdom", however, even assuming you're right about "king". The trick here is switching from Hebrew to Greek to English, and also recognizing that the word choice by the author of the Epistle to the Hebrews, which I'm convinced was Jesus, was constrained by words his audience (not Greek linguists) could understand. "Kingdom", it still seems to me, is a British invention that certainly conferred immense benefits on the world, but has lost its effectiveness in language.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 19:08, August 2, 2023 (EDT)

Thanks. That's very kind. It strikes me that "kingdom" is simply a function of "king". We can call it a "realm" or something else entirely, but the concept itself (that which is the king's to rule) doesn't change.

As for the Hebrew:

• Root word: king (melek) מֶלֶךְ
• Genesis 39:20: of the king (earthly) הַמֶּ֖לֶךְ
• Psalm 45:6: of Your kingdom (divine) מַלְכוּתֶֽךָ
• Psalm 103:19: and His kingdom (divine) מַלְכוּתֶֽךָ
• Psalm 145:1: King (divine title) הַמֶּ֑לֶךְ
• 1 Kings 1:32: King (earthly title) הַמֶּ֣לֶךְ
• Judges 15:9: the kings (earthly) מַלְכֵ֣י
• Daniel 11:9: to the kingdom (earthly) בְּמַלְכוּת֙

I don't pretend to understand the grammar or the diacritics or how to pronounce any of it, but there's enough orthographic similarity to reasonably infer consistent use of the root, as with king / kingdom in English. At a minimum, all the above contain מֶלֶ with varying diacritics.

ConwayIII (talk) 22:24, August 2, 2023 (EDT)

Conway, your analysis is excellent. You're probably right about the use of "king" in the Old Testament. And to the extent a book in the New Testament quotes the Old, it is what it is, as you point out.

But I think "kingdom" might really be a sufficiently different concept now, at least post-Disney where its "magical kingdom" really has nothing to do with any "king". I'd like to ponder this further. "Kingdom" is such a basic concept, even recited daily by up to a hundred million people in The Lord's Prayer, that some additional care in analysis of this is appropriate. Thanks again for providing your highly informative perspective and examples.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 23:32, August 2, 2023 (EDT)

P.S. When I say "post-Disney" above, I'm not referring to the current political dispute between Disney and Ron DeSantis (and others). All I mean by that is how "kingdom" has become a fairy tale concept, at least in the U.S., in part due to Disney, and I don't fault them for that.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 23:53, August 2, 2023 (EDT)

"The trick here is switching from Hebrew to Greek to English". To get to English, you have to go through German, first. Gr. Rex -> Ger. König -> Eng. King. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 02:08, August 5, 2023 (EDT)

Now German uses "Reich" for kingdom, which is derived from Gr. Rex. In English, the closest surviving word we have to "Reich" is "rich", denoting something of a commonwealth. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 02:13, August 5, 2023 (EDT)

real things in fiction

I asked Rob but I figured I'd also ask what your opinion on covering real things in fiction here. I added something to the George Washington article as an example. Patriotic Gamer (talk) 13:18, August 1, 2023 (EDT)

I like it! Please do more. We're at the intersection of culture, knowledge and politics, and cultural or fictional references to historical figures is a big part of that. Thank you.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 13:23, August 1, 2023 (EDT)

What do you mean by "intersection of culture"? This wiki's? Patriotic Gamer (talk) 13:27, August 1, 2023 (EDT)

Right I mean that Conservapedia is at the intersection of culture, knowledge and politics.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 17:13, August 1, 2023 (EDT)

An Admin is vandalizing other users Talk pages, again, in violation of the Castle rule, to hide his embarrassing arguments

[13] RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:10, August 1, 2023 (EDT)

Let's see if the user himself complains. He hasn't yet, as far as I know. Thanks.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 17:12, August 1, 2023 (EDT)

We agreed in the past, due to Protestant conflict with Dataclarifier and other Catholics, that debates would happen on debate pages and not user pages. Conservative (talk) 17:13, August 1, 2023 (EDT)

That does not give you any right to revert other users talk pages and other users' discussions. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:21, August 1, 2023 (EDT)

He did it again. I did not participate in the formal Debate page, yet User:Cons made it appear I had. I made private, confidential postings on a user's talk page, where only the user has the discretion to remove it. This is very disrespectful of users' postings. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:06, August 1, 2023 (EDT)

Nowhere in my Conribs (with one exception) is there a record of me participating in the formal Debate, yet now I have to contend with someone who may claim I did. This is extremely unfair and misleading. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:13, August 1, 2023 (EDT)

I served notice three years ago, I am not interested in church debates, 'who's better than who', yet my signature was electronically forged to appear I lied and do not stand by my word. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:17, August 1, 2023 (EDT)

Is Bushfan template allowed on my userpage?

I added a lot of userboxes to my userpage, and among them was one of "this user supports GWB." Assuming it's a holdover from this wiki's earlier days, as I know that he is loathed by MAGA, I just wanted to ask if you're okay that I decided to add to my user page & that it's not intended to be an insult to Trump supporters.

Userbox refers to how he was my childhood president, there's photo of him with Chick-Fil-A founder, he gave Fred Rogers a presidential award, friends with Michael W. Smith, was openly supportive and empowered Christian music at the time. Patriotic Gamer (talk) 11:52, August 2, 2023 (EDT)

If you want to be identified with the Republican establishment, the Uniparty, the corrupt Biden DOJ, Russiagate scammers, the military industrial complex, globalists, warmongers and supporters of Ukrainian Nazis, sure, go ahead. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:40, August 2, 2023 (EDT)

A shame that others will automatically assume association from a quick glance, but you do have a point there. The crazy thing is that I found a user box for people who support Obama here, so I take it's the risk of one exercising their right to say what or who they support, but to keep in mind of how the average person here will view them or challenge them. Patriotic Gamer (talk) 17:32, August 2, 2023 (EDT)

Splits have emerged in both parties since the Clinton and Bush eras which are not readily apparent to people on either side of the line, in addition to recognition of a uniparty that is hostile to voters of both parties. The Dems have become the party of war, Wall Street, and the military industrial complex, and the GOP has become the party of workers and the common man. Both party's establishments seek to isolate populist sentiments among their voters. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 01:24, August 3, 2023 (EDT)

Game data allowed?

Is word-for-word text from video games (e.g. quotes said by a character) and other sources (like official bios of another character) allowed on this website? those don't have a license attached to them, but I'd assume the closest to them are the respective copyright holders, who add the bios or the quotes themselves Patriotic Gamer (talk) 09:32, August 5, 2023 (EDT)

I would assume in most cases it would be okay, provided the language is cleaned up to meet our family friendly guidelines. We may have to see a few examples to see what you have in mind and if any objections arise. Thanks. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 16:59, August 7, 2023 (EDT)

Length of the early church services

Below is the information I promised you about the length of the early church services:

• What Was a Church Service Like in the Second Century? (Mass/service lasted 3 hours and congregants stood most of the service) Conservative (talk) 19:07, August 8, 2023 (EDT)

Here is the info on buycotting that I mentioned to you

You can buy products from conservative companies at: Public Square

• Largest anti-woke marketplace just opened up public funding via NYSE - Steve Turley's interview with the president of Public Square

• Tucker Carlson has agreed to a seven-figure ad deal with Public Square (PublicSq.), a conservative-friendly shopping app, for his Twitter show.

• Anti-woke marketplace PublicSq. to begin trading on NYSE: The conservative alternative to Amazon goes public.

This is probably going to be one of the best ways to buycott and it's growing fast. Conservative (talk) 15:31, August 13, 2023 (EDT)

I don't want Essay template pollution on my essays. I have created essays with tens of thousands of views. Another editors's last essay has received about 25 page views

Andy, you told me in the past that you are dead set against "template pollution". Templates are ugly and a barrier to readers.

I have created essays with tens of thousands of views. And various people have told me that my political/worldview essays were informative.

And some of my humor essays people have enjoyed as well and have been very popular.

RobSmith just put some "template pollution" on an essay of mine that already has received over 1,000 page views.

RobSmith's last essay entitled Essay: Do you strongly believe in gun rights? Don't move to Russia or any NATO country! has merely received about 25 page views and was of low quality (At least in my estimation and the people who have not shared it with their friends/family).

I have invited RobSmith to write counter-essays in order to try to rebut my essays, but he can't do it because he doesn't have the evidence or good arguments. So instead, he is using the illegitimate way of handling his disagreements with my essays and using a "template pollution" strategy.

Also, already the essay I created which RobS put "template pollution" on is ranking #2 at Google for searches related to this topic.

I will contact you about this matter later today. Conservative (talk) 17:38, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

he can't do it because he doesn't have the evidence

Maybe I don't have the time to waste responding to trolling. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:45, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

RobSmith, you take weak positions and you can't debate your way out of a wet paper bag. That is why you censor or try to harm other people's work. It's really pathetic. Man up and create counter-arguments or admit you are wrong and can't defend your weak positions. Conservative (talk) 17:50, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

{ec) We have a pattern here. User:Conservative latches onto a living person he meets up with on social media and incessantly trolls them, using hours and hours of time, in Essay space over sometimes ridiculous stuff, like eating French Fries.

See for example [14] RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:54, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

Maybe I don't debate because of your bad faith habit of deleting talk pages and other users' postings. It's just a waste of time. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:54, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

If you want to use Nazi apologists in your latest magnum opus, Essay: Vladimir Putin is a corrupt kleptocrat and an authoritarian‎‎, go ahead. It's not the first time I warned you, "Watch out! You are stepping in doggie doo-doo!", and was ignored. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:00, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

I don't care if you debate. Just create counter-arguments at Conservapedia and let people judge for themselves. But your weak positions are so lame that you can't do it. And it really burns you up so you spitefully put template pollution on my material that you can't refute.

It takes zero brains and talent to use "template pollution". And you compound matters by using childish language like "doo-doo". Grow up. Conservative (talk) 18:01, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

Let's look at one of our last phone conversations (as you were scarfing down junk food at 7-11). You wanted to discuss the difference between US & UK libel laws; I wanted to discuss the review of Dawsiha's book on Putin; you evidently had no knowledge of the differences between US & UK libel laws, and after wasting 10 minutes trying to discuss those differences, you said "I don't think you're going to change my mind about Putin", when in fact we never discussed Putin, but rather your pet subject (of which you had no knowledge of), UK libel laws.

It's ridiculous, and hopeless, trying to have a level-headed discussion with you. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:17, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

RobSmith, I encourage you to create an essay titled Essay: Vladimir Putin is an honest politician and not an authoritarian. And in the preface of the essay, you can link to my essay which you put "template pollution" on. Namely my essay Vladimir Putin is a corrupt kleptocrat and an authoritarian.

I created the essay Do you strongly believe in gun rights? Don't move to Russia! and in response you wrote the essay Essay: Do you strongly believe in gun rights? Don't move to Russia or any NATO country! which linked to my essay and your essay merely received about 25 page views. I thought your essay was an exceedingly weak essay. I very much doubt that your essay will be named the Conservapedia essay of the year in 2023. Conservative (talk) 18:21, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

Here's what you don't understand: somehow you believe my criticisms of NATO & Zelensky means I have an emotional attachment to Putin & Russia. It doesn't. I'm just an observer of the crimes NATO has committed against Libya, Ukraine, and now Niger.

And I keep warning you about crawling in bed with globalists and Nazis (which you only do cause you think it tweeks me), but you ignore those warnings. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:27, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

And the bottomline is, your efforts to tweek me only provides justifications for globalists and Ukrainian Nazis. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:27, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

• Daily Mail poll: 57% of Iowa Republicans believe America is becoming like Nazi Germany. [15] But User:Conservative opposes Operation Denazification and keeps crawling in bed with globalists and Nazis. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:51, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

Why does he do It? Cause he believes it? Cause he has a deep understanding of the facts and issues at play in the world today? No. To refute my efforts to educate the conservative movement on what's really happening that the MSM censors - because somehow, he has personal animosity against me - probably cause I exposed him in April of 2022 of not having any understanding of the issues in play.

So he's spent well over 300 hours now on this personal jihad cause he can't get away with using Deletion to remove stupid comments from discussions he probably should never have been involved in, in the first place. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:59, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

I am not pro-Russia or pro-Ukraine. America first! USA! USA! USA! Conservative (talk) 19:00, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

And I wrote a rebuttal to your mischaracterization/misrepresentation of my above quote at: Was April 2022 a pivotal point in geopolitics that will affect geopolitics for 30 years or was it a failed prediction concerning the war in Ukraine?. Conservative (talk) 19:03, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) You oppose Operation Denazification and support globalists. Period. That's what your Essays say. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:05, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

57% of Iowa Republicans oppose Nazism (probably more, but that's wasn't the question); not you, you've gone out of your way to provide justification for support of Ukrainian Nazism. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:08, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

I know what I believe better than you RobSmith. It's time to create some counter-essays. I could carve out of a banana an opposition that is stronger than you RobSmith. It's time to stop relying on your lame, milquetoast "template pollution" and develop a backbone demonstrated through compelling counter-essays. Conservative (talk) 19:10, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

I'm not interested in your trolling for this reason: I know your Essays are directed at me, not Putin. And you have destroyed any credibility in arguments by incessant Deletions of talk pages and Debates (as mentioned above, our last phone conversation was you calling to ask me if I had objections to you Deleting your comment "the Roman Catholic Church is a corrupt joke". RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:16, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

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The Catholic Church has had a lot of problems/press related to priests committing pedophilia and they still haven't adequately rooted out the problem. Expecting the Catholic Church to repent isn't a radical idea. Conservative (talk) 19:24, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

Then, as a masterdebater, everytime you get your cahoonies in a vice, you pull out your one Ace up your sleeve, "I'm teacher's pet." RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:26, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

As I noted above, the Catholic Church has had a lot of problems/press related to priests committing pedophilia and they still haven't adequately rooted out the problem. Expecting the Catholic Church to repent isn't a radical idea.

And I had something to add which I am including below.

You are trying to derail this thread with something irrelevant that occurred in a spirited debate thread. I know and you know why you are trying to do this. You are losing and not making a good case for your "template pollution".

And I know for a fact that the owner of the website very much dislikes "template pollution". Conservative (talk) 19:29, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

I doubt if the owner is sympathetic with your Nazi apologetics, but we'll see. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:34, August 14, 2023 (EDT)

User: Conservative's final 5 points about this matter

A quick note and a solution to the RobS hassling me problem. I say this because User: DavidBR saud about RobSmith's recent interactions with me the following: "Anyway, I can't see either Conservative or Rob getting demoted. But maybe like Karajou, Conservative will get bullied out too. Then Rob is the last one standing. --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:03, July 9, 2023 (EDT)"[16]

Here are my 5 main points:

1. I am pro-America and America first. I am not pro-Ukraine or pro-Russia. Regardless, I am not going to comment on the war in Ukraine further on the website or about Russia or Ukraine

2. I finished my essay relating Putin and put a lot of work into it in terms of research. So I will not be adding to it. So that should simmer things down. And your not giving me counter evidence to the content I put on that page.

3. I will avoid future interaction with RobS. He doesn't make any sense and does not put forth good-faith arguments. He is a dishonest and unreasonable person. We both know he is a difficult person.

4. I do know how to drive a lot of traffic to websites. The search engines and website users don't like templates. The search engines have publicly stated that don't like websites with a lot of templates on them.

5. I put a lot of work into the website. And I have been right many times on what creates traffic and what kills traffic. I just ask that my work doesn't have template pollution on it.

Deleting a well-supported essay that I spent time on is a slap in the face. I don't delete material you write on the website that I disagree with and you should not do the same with me. There is a lot of data supporting what I wrote. If you decide that an ugly template is put on the essay, I am out.

I do think that I do have a following. Much bigger than RobSmith has. His content doesn't get nearly as much traffic as evidenced by his recent essay about gun rights which merely received about 25 page views. Conservative (talk) 20:22, August 14, 2023 (EDT)