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Here is Ann Coulter:

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By the media's account, Kavanaugh was a bounder, a brawler and a drunk. And yet he still managed to graduate at the top of his class, go to Yale, then to Yale Law and work in the highest positions in government. I am in awe of his manliness. Hemingway has nothing on this guy! He should be our president.[1]

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The entire column is an immortal classic. Read it all. PeterKa (talk) 08:19, 7 October 2018 (EDT)

You don't need to tell me; I read every Ann Coulter column.

“I want to thank the mob, because they’ve done the one thing we were having trouble doing, which was energizing our base.”

—Mitch McConnell (October 6, 2018)

To the Washington Post's credit, this quote appeared in their paper. VargasMilan (talk) 09:37, 7 October 2018 (EDT)

I am currently in jail, texting on my iPhone. I was caught in the public library moving a feminist book that claimed one in four co-eds are sexually assaulted to the fiction section. VargasMilan (talk) 09:50, 7 October 2018 (EDT)

• I'm surprised the police allowed you to retain your iPhone. Don't they usually have a "one phone call" policy? Pokeria1 (talk) 18:44, 7 October 2018 (EDT)

They said "It's bad enough that the internet now records you were detained on criminal charges just for the sake of this joke; we're gonna let it slide this time." VargasMilan (talk) 10:35, 8 October 2018 (EDT)

"Brett Kavanaugh has reaffirmed for us all a valuable lesson: in the face of character challenges the right thing to do is to not to lose your temper but simply defend your honor—in my case even if you have to pull every dirty trick in the book to do it!" VargasMilan (talk) 10:33, 7 October 2018 (EDT)

According to the Harvard Business Review, women are not being hired to break through the glass ceiling due to fear of the MeToo movement. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 13:43, 7 October 2018 (EDT)

Here is a great meme. Trump tells happy little girls that, "Don't worry kids, Joe Biden isn't allowed in here anymore." The Dem agenda is not just to put Handsy Joe back in the White House, but to import as many rapists as possible.[2] PeterKa (talk) 20:43, 7 October 2018 (EDT)

Biden likes to swim nude at the VP residence in front of female Secret Service agents when his wife isn't around, sources say. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 16:59, 10 October 2018 (EDT)

According to the Washington Examiner (via Sarah Palin website), Jackson Kosco, the Congressional staffer accused of doxxing three Republican U.S. Senators in the middle of the Justice Kavanaugh civil disturbances was indicted on seven charges:

• Making public restricted personal information
• Making threats in interstate commerce
• Unauthorized access of a government computer
• Identity theft
• Witness tampering
• 2nd degree burglary
• Unlawful entry

Although he probably lives in some posh suburb, he now faces thirty years in prison.

O, Jackson "Kosco" [See Costco], if this be true, thou livest up to thy name, as thou must surely seekest a volume discount! (For those enjoying Peter's and my name dropping, this rhetorical technique was also described by Aristotle!) VargasMilan (talk) 06:14, 9 October 2018 (EDT)

Remember this headline? RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 19:44, 9 October 2018 (EDT)

Project Veritas released a video of several Phil Bredesen (D-TN) staffers stating that his announcement he would support Kavanaugh (which came extremely late -- the same that it became clear he would be confirmed) was simply a political stunt and that he would not actually vote to confirm Kavanaugh if he were in the Senate: [3][4][5] Bottom line: conservative Larry McDonald-type Democrats are extinct; a vote for any Democrat is a vote for the far-left socialist insurgency. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:55, 10 October 2018 (EDT)

Two ways to look at this: (1} hypocrisy, deception, etc.; (2) the more savvy, outside Washington Democrats see the collosal mega-mistake Feinstein made. We are standing at the precipice of a historical moment (Dick Morris compares it to Joe McCarthy's ascent when he unmasked the true face of the Democratic party or Nixon carrying 49 states in 1972 - which I wholeheartedly agree, with the caveat neither event ended well for the GOP within two years....). There is so much that can be dissected here.

IMO, Feinstein knew she couldn't win - keep Kavanaugh off the court. She focused on the next two years rather than the higher goal of stopping a lifetime appointment. She divided the country in order to sheppard the MeTooers, which began as a rebellion against perverted Democrats, back into the Democratic fold as a permanent identity politics group.

So it was a threefold ojective: Stop Kavanaugh (unlikely); (2) win the House with the MeTooers (a gamble, which seems less likely); (3) win the MeTooers permanently and paint Republicans as toletant of sex abuse. This is the aspect the GOP and conservatives must fight and deny beyond Election day. We've exposed Dems as frauds - after the election we must hammer home Feinstein and Democrats did more harm to real victims in a cynical and despicable pursuit of power.

We must show compassion and pick up the cause of REAL victims, and deny Feinstein the only real victory she sought - and this fight begins the day after the election. Less about Kavanaugh, more about REAl victims which now everyone knows Democrats do not care about, at all. We must not forget or ignore them. We must make this an issue, and not let Democrats frame the issue or set that agenda. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 01:20, 11 October 2018 (EDT)

We exposed the desperation of Washington Democrats; now let's focus in on compassion for REAl victims. Talking points: Blasey Ford hynotized herself to pass a lie detector test (which we've never seen) and testify. Teaching self-hypnodis to pass lie detectors is what she does for a living. There are no other Democrat talking points to debate or respond to.RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 01:33, 11 October 2018 (EDT)

I don't know about whether Larry McDonald-type Democrats are truly extinct. Last I checked, Randall Terry was still around. Still... definitely not voting Democrat any time soon especially with how far left it has gone as a whole. Pokeria1 (talk) 21:49, 12 October 2018 (EDT)

In my state, after spewing commie hate for socialism and Obamacare, this Democrat now is appealing to redneck racist deplorable bitter clingers. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 21:58, 12 October 2018 (EDT)

See the interesting video: Are China and the US doomed to conflict?.

Based on history and the current trade war, it seems there is a good chance the USA-China will be in significant conflict in the coming years. In cases where there has been a declining power and an ascendant power, in 11/15 historical cases, there was a major conflict between the two powers.

The USA has seen a decline in the family and other major signs of societal decline such a major accumulation of debt. The USA has been in a state of decline since the 1960s. Many experts believe the 21st century will be an Asian Century. And China has seen a rapid rise of evangelical Protestant Christianity in the 20th/21st century and a corresponding growth of economic development (see: Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism).

Due to Christianization, will China have more in common with the USA which will help greatly reduce the chance of conflict? Or will a growing economic/military conflict occur?Conservative (talk) 12:39, 11 October 2018 (EDT)

Recent reports tell of increased CCP persecution of Christians. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 15:09, 12 October 2018 (EDT)

The prophet Daniel says there will be an explosion of knowledge in the end times.

Capitalism produces far more creativity/knowledge than socialism/communism. If Jesus tarries, unless Christianity overwhelms atheistic communism/socialism in China via evangelism and higher birth rates (see: Atheism and fertility rates), the capitalistic countries could easily far exceed China in wealth within a generation or two (barring a major world war or regional wars).

Here is a very interesting video related to this matter: Capitalism vs. socialism: economist George Gilder weighs in.Conservative (talk) 00:50, 15 October 2018 (EDT)

My advice to Ford is that if you don't want to be mocked, don't let your attorney release statements like this: "Ford’s Attorney Says Her Client Found Trump Mocking Her Testimony ‘Very Hurtful’." Ford lied about why she put in a second front door and lied about being afraid of flying. The fact that she never turned over either the notes from her 2012 therapy session or the results from her polygraph exam suggests that she is lying about both of those things as well. In short, the media lies when they claim she is "creditable." PeterKa (talk) 12:05, 13 October 2018 (EDT)

You miss the main kicker why Senators did not believe her: she lied about coaxing an FBI agent before taking a polygraph exam. She teaches how to create artificial memories for a living. The other lies are just barking up the wrong tree. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 15:27, 13 October 2018 (EDT)

There is a lot of mystery in this matter thanks to the woman who did a lot of the cross-examination (Rachel Mitchell). We don't know if Ford had a "recovered memory". Recovered memories are often not reliable. Ford does appear to have engaged in some lying though.

We do know that liberals/leftists/SJWs are often mentally unhealthy and very deceptive and that Christine Blasey Ford is left leaning.Conservative (talk) 10:25, 15 October 2018 (EDT)

We know the jurors, in this case Representatives of the American people, adjudicated Kavanaugh innocent and Blasey Ford non-credible (falsus en uno, falsus en omnibus). It's an asterisk engraved permanently in the record of American history. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 11:54, 15 October 2018 (EDT)

A DNA test shows Elizabeth Warren's ancestry as 99.9 percent white. In other words, she is significantly whiter than the average white American. (The average is 98.6 percent European, 0.19 percent African, and .18 Native American.) The lab Warren selected has no American Indian DNA for reference. As it doesn't specialize in this issue, she must have selected it for some other reason. Despite the media hype, there is no proof that the other 0.1 percent is Native American. The lab's reference DNA is from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia.[6] To join the Nazi Party, you needed four German grandparents. Here Warren is boasting of her non-white great-plus-eight grandparent, an ancestor whose name, birthplace, and origin are unknown.
Under U.S. law, the tribal governments recognize someone as a Native American. The tribes generally require a full blooded great grandparent, or "one-eighth blood quantum." If Warren's DNA test is a basis to claim racial minority status, we can all claim such status. The media is throwing real American Indians under the bus simply to allow Warren to run for president. PeterKa (talk) 17:31, 15 October 2018 (EDT)

I don't think your 99.9% stat is correct. According to NPR, "The RNC also jumped on a correction from The Boston Globe. The paper originally reported that the probability of Warren's Native American ancestry ranges from 1/32 to 1/512, but now reports the low end of that range is actually 1/1,024."[7] Conservative (talk) 17:03, 15 October 2018 (EDT)

My 0.1 percent corresponds to the Globe`s 1/1024. If you do the math to another decimal place, it works out to 0.098 percent.
Different labs give you different results.[8] Who knows how many labs Warren went to before she got the result she wanted? PeterKa (talk) 17:43, 15 October 2018 (EDT)

You guys keep taking the bait - as if this issue is more important than leftist violence or the attempted coup. Why do you think Warren released it now? She's not even on the ballot in 2018. It is only released now to obscure the vital issues facing voters. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 19:11, 15 October 2018 (EDT)

I sense that this is bigger than politics. It could be a watershed moment in American culture. Just as Bruce Jenner open the gates for transgenderism, Warren has paved the way for "transracialism" (a phenomenon I now proudly name). I see a future in which Americans can take on or shed ethnic identity like a coat. Rachel Dolezal, you came before we were ready. PeterKa (talk) 20:13, 15 October 2018 (EDT)

blah blah blah ...anything to divert from leftist mob violence, the attacks on due process and the constitution, and FISA abuse.RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 20:25, 15 October 2018 (EDT)

The Cherokees will come under a lot of pressure to reverse their stand on Warren. Trump should take a trip to Cherokee country before they cave. Modern leftism seems to be all about making everyone accept ridiculous lies. PeterKa (talk) 07:05, 16 October 2018 (EDT)

The question revolves around lifting transracial identity out of the realm of pseudoscience (like transgender identity) and elavating it to real science, which than makes it an issue of law - allowing people born with white privilege to hijack affirmative action quotas and set-asides. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 15:37, 16 October 2018 (EDT)

Warren is so self-centered that she did not anticipate the effect of the Cherokee blowback nor did she anticipate general public blowback. She crippled herself and made things worse. She will never be president given the Democrats current focus on identity politics and the younger members of the public wanting people who are "authentic". She is a white person with a little Indian blood who pretended to be a Native American when she applied for some positions. Warren is a Rachel Dolezal.

Warren fell for Trump's Pocahantas trap. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump was amused about this matter privately. He really got under her skin with his nickname for her.Conservative (talk) 09:00, 16 October 2018 (EDT)

Everyone has turned on Warren today, so this gambit is now officially a disaster. On the plus side, she has earned several additional nicknames, among them Lie-awatha and Sacaje-Warren. Alleged ancestors from the 1600s are irrelevant to a presidential run anyway. It's like Caesar claiming Venus as an ancestor. It doesn't address the question of whether her mother was really discriminated against on account of her supposed Indian ancestry. This unlikely story is the basis of Warren's "I overcame discrimination" narrative, an essential part of the biography of any liberal savior nowadays. PeterKa (talk) 18:28, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

It's ultimately the written record that matters. Try Google; all the results using keywords return "strong evidence" of Native ancestry. Virtually all results. There's another story here two years out -- Google is in the tank for Warren airbrushing these events now, today, for the written record. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 18:36, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

Elizabeth Warren went on an hour plus long Twitter tantrum after she faced the blowback from her ill-conceived DNA farce.[9] She clearly does not have a presidential temperment. :)Conservative (talk) 18:51, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

You know that. I know that. Anyone who lived through it knows that. However, right now, all the "authoritive" sources, per Google, are writing there is "strong evidence" of Native ancestry. The written "authority" is all that matters. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 18:59, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

Warren's Twitter rant addressed every topic under the sun except the test results. IOW, Warren has moved past "old news". She's addressed it. "Strong evidence" proved she was correct. Google supports the findings. You are seeing a narrative being crafted before your eyes that, in the near future will be presented as a partisan divide, whereas we all are eyewitness - there is a virtual national consensus of disbelief of her narrative. The only sceptics are Warren voters in one state - Massachusetts. As the 2020 primaries approach, Google has already rigged the narrative as partisan nonsense and "old news." The real news is, there is nothing conclusive here. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 19:29, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

In a post Fox news and interconnected internet, I don't think Google can force a narrative. YouTube, which is owned by Google, has the second most trafficked search engine. After YouTube, Twitter, etc. banned Alex Jones, his website's traffic has actually gone up.

As Google gets taken over by SJWs and it affects their hiring, there will be a slippage in the quality of their search results because they will hire based on ideology rather than merit.Conservative (talk) 00:27, 18 October 2018 (EDT)

The Democrat nominee for Georgia Governor, Stacey Abrams, is claiming that the Republican nominee, Secretary of State Brian Kemp, is engaging in voter suppression to keep blacks off the state's voter rolls. Not only is this claim false, but Georgia has actually broken the state's voter registration record this election cycle: [10] Hopefully, the state's voters won't fall for Abram's race-baiting. --1990'sguy (talk) 11:12, 16 October 2018 (EDT)

Yes. This relates to federalization of elections, and Susan Rice's "stand down" order on Russian hacking. When the Obama administration warned state election officials that Russians were attempting to hack into state election boards, it was the Georgia GOP Secretary of State - now candidate for governor - who protested this was an attempt by Obama socialists in the Department of Homeland Security to take over elections. Rice ordered a stand down in countering Russian hackers, and leave it to states to fend off, per David Corn and Michael Isikoff, both colluders with a foreign agent, Christopher Steele, to meddle in American elections. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 15:55, 16 October 2018 (EDT)

Excerpted:

Many of the state officials—especially from the red states—wanted little, if anything, to do with the DHS. Leading the charge was Brian Kemp, Georgia’s secretary of state, an ambitious, staunchly conservative Republican [liberal code words for "racist"] who feared the hidden hand of the Obama White House. “We don’t need the federal government to take over our voting"....Susan Rice called Daniel into her office and demanded he cease and desist from working on the cyber options he was developing. “Don’t get ahead of us,” [translation: "it's not a matter of "national security" and the Russia collusion hoax, we're not done smearing Kemp as a racist in order to federalize elections and have corrupt elements of DHS stuff the ballot box"] she warned him. The White House was not prepared to endorse any of these ideas. Daniel and his team in the White House cyber response group were given strict orders: “Stand down.” She told Daniel to “knock it off,” he recalled.

The issue - targeting Kemp as a racist - was revisited in the special election of Karen Handel in early 2017. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 16:27, 16 October 2018 (EDT)

Looks like this race has gone into overtime.RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 19:12, 7 November 2018 (EST)

Note the mainstream fake news attack: Saudi Arabia and the Crown Prince are his, meaning Trump, allies. This is the developing narrative: "President Trump is not doing enough the question his allies". Never mind the fact Clinton took $25 million in pay-to-play for weapons sales. Never mind Obama bowed to "Trump's ally". "Trump's allies" are human rights abusers. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 19:40, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

The "28 pages" of the 9/11 Commission report detailing Saudi involvement was a rather more serious matter than a missing journalist. I don't recall Obama doing anything about it. PeterKa (talk) 21:26, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

Facts: Saudia Arabia has the third largest military on the planet - ahead of Russia and behind the U.S. and China. Fact: Saudi Arabia is a U.S. front and proxy. We're joined at the hip with Saudi Arabia. All the rest is noise, at least until the Iranian regime is no longer a threat to the U.S., Saudi Arabia, and Israel. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 21:34, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

Some liberal hypocrisy -- Obama's first national security advisor, Jim Jones, now works for Saudi Arabia: [11] His spokesperson is indicating that he's not ready to cut his ties with the government. Maybe the Left should act consistently before telling conservatives to abandon one of America's most important Middle East allies. --1990'sguy (talk) 20:09, 20 October 2018 (EDT)

In the Trump era, Saudi women now can drive. The U.S.-Saudi relationship has impacted social change and women's rights in Saudi Arabia. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 23:22, 20 October 2018 (EDT)

I haven't commented here much - I'm really just a reader from another part of the world who enjoys his life, is a conservative and a Christian. But I am now ready to drop Trump and actively rebel against what he stands for. Not as a US voter but as a human being. What surprises me is how little Conservapedia seems to care of give any coverage to the mockery he is making to the movement conservative.

He lies, his administration is beset with scandal. From Pruitt being under multiple ethics investigations, to Manafort being charged, the Cohen/Stormy Daniels payment where Trump blatantly lied, the dishonesty, the ethical conflicts Trump has, not allowing his taxes to be open and transparent breaking decades of tradition... he is an embarrassment to the Presidency which makes me wonder about Conservapedia.

We should be standing for truth and honesty as conservatives and Trump is an unethical liar - proven so. If this was a Democrat this site would be all over it but instead it is silence. We are supposed to stand for a greater ethical standard but there is nothing like that here. If this was Obama I know how this site would react if he displayed the same behaviours as Trump. The conservative movement is greater than an individual and the individual in Trump is hopelessly compromised. JohnSelway (talk) 00:19, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

blah blah blah. Are you a fake news consumer, or just a another NPC? RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 00:43, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

Trump is the first president in history who has challenged the liberal media, and the Trump Administration has been the most ethical in more than a generation.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 01:03, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

Most liberals/leftists guaranteed the public that Donald Trump could not possibly ever become president. Pride and complacency often occur before defeat. Now these same people are bitter/angry sore losers.

I have also noticed that liberals often engage in projection. For example, liberals expressed outrage that Trump might not accept the 2016 election results. Now Hillary Clinton says Democrats will not be civil until they gain power again. Civility is part of civilization. And Hillary Clinton was the most corrupt American politician in our lifetimes (pay for play politics associated with the Clinton Foundation, her hiding her corrupt activities via a private server and deletion of emails, etc.). Obama lied about 25 separate times to get ObamaCare passed (You can keep your doctor, etc.) and his administration was rife with corruption.Conservative (talk) 03:13, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

One thing can be said for certain. Trump's business friendly policies are causing more GDP growth that the politicians in JohnSelway's country of New Zealand (NZ) are causing. GDP growth in NZ is around 1%.[12]. GDP growth in the USA in the second quarter of 2018 was 4.2 percent.[13]

In 2018, the projected GDP per capita in the USA was the 8th highest, while NZ held a ranking of 22nd.[14]

The USA now has the world's most competitive economy for the first time in a decade.[15] NZ is not listed in the top 10 countries in terms of the competitiveness of their economy.[16] New Zealand has the 18th most competitive economy in the world.[17]

Many liberals/leftists want the public financially dependent on the government, while conservative governments better enable people to be more financially independent.

The numbers show that Trump made the American economy stronger, while NZ's Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern presides over an anemic economy when compared to the world's developed countries. If only NZ has elected a leader with more business friendly policies and more conservative policies!Conservative (talk) 04:12, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

Mr. Selway demonstrates the global reach of fake news media and Marxist doctrine. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 07:27, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

After the Kavanaugh smear, do we need any more evidence that the Dems are now the party of the unhinged? Well, here it is: "Kamala Harris Jokes about Killing Trump, Pence, Sessions." The liberal idea of humor is to say, "Let's kill a Republican!" That's where the big laughs are these days. PeterKa (talk) 07:39, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

In 2009, according to survey data, JohnSelway's country of New Zealand was said to have the most promiscuous women in the world.[18] Whores of the Western World! According to Wikipedia, "The New Zealand national women's rugby union team, called the Black Ferns, represents New Zealand in women's rugby union, which is regarded as the country's national sport. The team has won five of the past six Women's Rugby World Cups." What kind of country pushes a masculine sport like rugby on its country's female youth? New Zealand produces some of the most masculine and promiscuous women in the Western World!

JohnSelway may be so greatly influenced by liberals through being surrounded by them that he can't appreciate many of Donald Trump's sound public policies.Conservative (talk) 07:49, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

The ridiculousness of JohnSelway's post

@JohnSelway:

1) The Obama Administration was extremely corrupt[19][20] (including at the EPA[21][22][23]) -- also, see Barack Obama Controversies. The problem here is, the media hates the Trump Administration and its policies, so they're ginning up these ethical controversies to destroy the administration. We saw the same thing with Kavanaugh (see Kavanaugh smear) -- now that the Left lost, the left/media literally has zero interest in the allegations anymore.[24] In fact, they're mad at Michael Avenatti, not because he engaged in character assassination, but because his methods weren't effective in bringing down Kavanaugh.

2) JohnSelway apparently would rather have a "nice guy" as president, like Bush or Romney, who always say the politically correct thing but who do nothing to actually fix the messes we're in -- and who actually help advance leftism. Would Bush or Romney actually have tried to fix our migration or trade situations? What about restoring judicial integrity by appointing originalists to the courts? The establishment doesn't care. Trump does. He's blunt, but that's usually a good thing. He's willing to overturn the status quo and achieve results. JohnSelway, substance is more important than style, though your concerns seem even more superficial than about style.

3) Trump is conservatism's greatest asset right now (see Donald Trump achievements and sub-articles) -- look at the facts, rather than repeating the MSM's left-wing/establishment criticisms. In his first year, Trump implemented 64% of the Heritage Foundation's recommendations, versus only 49% for Reagan. His policies are even more conservative than Reagan's: [25] The American Conservative Union has rated his cabinet as even more conservative than Reagan's. The judges he's appointing are more consistently conservative than the ones Reagan appointed: [26] And he's going right at our migration and trade problems (among others), things other politicians overlooked for years. Trump is even more pro-life than Reagan was, based on his policies (Donald Trump achievements: Abortion).

JohnSelway, I recommend reading conservative media sources (like Breitbart or The New American), not CNN or whatever's available in New Zealand. --1990'sguy (talk) 09:04, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

So, JohnSelway made a comment on the section below but didn't bother responding to my points above? It's clear that Trump is doing a good job as president, and that he is a strong conservative (stronger than JohnSelway's favorites, at least). It's most likely that he's either been blinded by the anti-Trump MSM in NZ (I personally know some non-American conservatives in that same situation), or he's a liberal/non-conservative posing as a conservative. --1990'sguy (talk) 14:07, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

I think JohnSelway could benefit from going to the argument clinic in order to make more effective arguments. See: Argument clinic.Conservative (talk) 14:32, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

Wait wait.... palsy arguments is a pre-existing condition. Can he get somebody else to pay for it? RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 14:40, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

JohnSelway, spend less time attacking Trump and more time criticizing Australia's promiscuous women problem and economic problems

Consider: "Kiwi woman has an average of 20.4 sexual partners in a lifetime. Doesn’t seem like that much? Well, guess what. It’s three times over the global average of 7.3 and double to British and Australian women that have also found their way on our list."[27]Conservative (talk) 09:21, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

why should I care? I’m not a NZ citizen so it isn’t my problem. I just work here sometimes. But at least now you have reminded me of why I stopped reading this site. Thanks and bye. JohnSelway (talk) 09:40, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

Amazing. Considering New Zealand was founded by imperialists as a leper colony, modern rationalists have no fear of close personal contact. Almost enough to disprove the theory of evolution.RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 09:35, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

JohnSelway, I see you are an Australian. Australia has the 9th most promiscuous women on the earth.[28] And the countries national IQ is dropping (see: Irreligious Australia and intelligence).Conservative (talk) 10:22, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

"Australia economy to keep growing, but much depends on China: Reuters poll"[29]

Much depends on China? China is straining under a large GDP to national debt ratio (China: Total debt will be 260 percent of gross domestic product at the end of 2018)[30]. In addition, if the Chinese are stubborn, the U.S. vs. China trade war could ruin their economy if they stubbornly stick to their mercantilist ways and do not engage in more reciprocal trade. In addition, "Australia’s housing boom is not heading for a soft landing."[31]

It sounds like you should spend more time criticizing your nation's leaders and less time criticizing Trump!Conservative (talk) 10:40, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

If only the Aussies did not make their economy so dependent on an authoritarian, communist country like China! Very, very foolish. Please spend more time criticizing Australian leaders and less time criticizing Trump.Conservative (talk) 11:00, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

JohnSelway knew the barrage against the Aussies was coming, so he ran away. If he can't stand heat, he should stay away from kitchens! Never Trumpers are often self-proclaimed conservatives who crave the approval of liberals and shy away from political battles.

One thing I will say in favor of the Aussies, they have done a fine job in defending and promoting creation science. For example, the 15 questions for evolutionists that evolutionists cannot satisfactorily answer were developed by an organization which has its roots in Australia.Conservative (talk) 11:08, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

Interesting point about falling IQs. Is it the result of a socialist public education system, or an immigrant Muslim replacement population? I doubt social scientific research could gives us a rational explanation of this phenomena. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 13:27, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

General societal decline. For example, many Australians are irreligious/nonreligious and have abandoned Christianity (see also: Irreligion in Australia and Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism). I do know that Australia is not listed among the top 10 competitive economies of the world while Trump has helped make the USA the most competitive economy in the world.[32] And IQ is positively correlated to a societies general socioeconomic condition.

Right now, Australia is heavily dependent on supplying raw materials to China and an inflow of Chinese international students. And China's economy is slowing down, debt laden and facing a potential trade war that it cannot win. See also: Economy relies on China as international students prop up our universities.

"It also helped that Australia has a smaller manufacturing sector (an area particularly hard-hit in the crisis) and substantial exports to China (whose economy continued to demand our raw materials). Few nations are as enmeshed with China's economy as Australia." - The End of the Australian Miracle?, NY Times, October 9, 2018Conservative (talk) 13:42, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

Digression on China

The loss of funding of the Chinese military by American consumers is a permanent shift. Even if President Elizabeth Warren is elected in 2020, she cannot reverse Trump's trade war with China. China must now re-order and restructure its entire economy to deal with this permanent loss.

The US gave China a jump start to bring them into the modern era. They now are on their own.RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 14:12, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

Stock traders/investors largely seem to think that the USA vs. China trade dispute is merely a short term skirmish and not a longer term trade war. Yet, leftists do have a track record of being ideologically cognitively inflexible and so the Chinese communists could easily double-down and not agree to a significant reciprocal trade agreement. In addition, the trade dispute has become a public affair and the Chinese hate to lose face. In addition, Trump is asking the Chinese to make big changes in their economic system and people generally resist change - particularly big changes. I believe the USA vs. China trade dispute will probably not be merely a short term skirmish.

There is an inverse correlation between wealth and religiosity.[33] So a USA vs. China trade war could potentially lead to increased religiosity in China given the relative weakness of China in a USA/China trade war. And since the Australian economy is significantly tied to the Chinese economy, economic hardship could potentially increase religiosity in Australia as well.Conservative (talk) 18:11, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

China right now is where the US was about 125 years ago. Young people are leaving the countryside and migrating to factories in urban areas. All the US did was jump start development. Now they are on their own. They built a manufacturing export economy. Now they must focus on developing an internal market. They lost a big customer who pays the highest prices in the world. Now their manufacturing sector must focus on poorer customers, Indonesia, India, their internal market, etc. The big gains of the past are over with.RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 08:10, 20 October 2018 (EDT)

China did not permanently lose the USA as an export customer. China merely needs to have a more reciprocal trade agreement with the USA. Trump is right that the USA had "spoiled" China with a cushy relationship. China just needs to recognize that the cushy relationship is over. The Chinese leadership might be in a state of denial now. But the tariffs and Trump sticking to his guns could bring them back to reality.09:20, 20 October 2018 (EDT)

China posted its big gains exporting to American consumers (which gains were translated into military modernization and challenging the US Navy in the South China Sea, as well as allowing a flourishing black market trade that props up the North Korean regime); a reciprocal agreement wipes out futute gains. We won't see gains like the past 30 years. It's the same as loosing the customer - when trade with the US is as beneficial as trade with low income Indonesia, India, or Africa. They must now concentrate on developing a domestic market economy, cause their manufacturing export economic model has served its purpose of jump-starting development and run it's course. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 20:41, 20 October 2018 (EDT)

To understand this model of a manufacturing export economy, look at colonialism and how the British and French Empires were built. The industrial revolution created a manufacturing economy in those two countries that developed a domestic consumer economy. There is a limit however, to how many pots and pans a domestic household needs, so Britain and France went in search of foreign export markets (i.e. "colonies") to export British & French manufactured goods and to keep their domestic workers employed.

The Chinese manufacturing economy however, built with foreign investment, was built backwards. The focus was on creating a foreign export economy first. This was always seen as a temporary solution to give the huge, latent potential of China a shot in the arm to begin domestic economic development after centuries of lethargy and political chaos. What Trump did was inevitable. Everyone has known it since China opened up to foreign investment circa 1979.

Political leaders however, have been shy to rock the boat and abandon the line that trade = democracy and peace. However we've known since the day Nixon visited China in 1972 that the Communist system would translate trade gains into military modernization (which is only logical) rather than domestic service sectors and consumer economic development for the beneift of workers. Trade with the U.S. has not brought democracy and human rights to China.RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 21:11, 20 October 2018 (EDT)

Here's the trade-off for American business - it will be more difficult for McDonalds, KFC, and General Motors to take profits out of China - which stockholders were banking on as the future for survival of those companies. Likewise, Dollar General and Family Dollar will have to raise the prices of consumer goods to pay the $16 median wage of American workers (replete with all the Socialist entitlements attached). So yes, the return of manufacturing jobs means America will have to endure a period of inflation at some point in the near future. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 21:31, 20 October 2018 (EDT)

If the Dems take the House, we will be hearing about impeachment 24/7. See "How Tom Steyer Built the Biggest Political Machine You’ve Never Heard Of." Why? It has less to do Russia or collusion than you might think. It's payback for Bill Clinton's 1998 impeachment and for Hillary's 2016 election loss. As Trump says, "Democrats Produce Mobs, Republicans Produce Jobs." Yet the Dems are vastly outfundraising the GOP and the outcome of the election remains balanced on a knife's edge. The latest Cook midterm forecast is 194 Republican seats to 192 Dem with 49 tossups. With no tossups, it's 240 Republicans to 195 Dems.[34] PeterKa (talk) 04:54, 20 October 2018 (EDT)

The Democrats should be concerned about winning the White House in 2020. Mueller will give Trump a clean bill of health after the election. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 07:54, 20 October 2018 (EDT)

If Trump is impeached it will essentially because: he won unexpectedly and now the Democrats are very much out of power; he is politically incorrect and plainspoken/brash; and he is a white male. The Democrats may not let go of identity politics - especially since whites are going to be a minority in the near future.

There will be a blowback if Trump is impeached so it is counterproductive for Democrats.

It wouldn't surprise me if the "blue wave" is a mirage and gerrymandering prevails (plus blowback from the Kavanaugh hearings).Conservative (talk) 10:12, 20 October 2018 (EDT)

Steyer is sending out copies of Michael Wolff’s Fire & Fury, according to the story I linked to above. The "Trump is stupid" and "conservatives are stupid" narratives are ones that resonate most with the Democrat's base. PeterKa (talk) 15:52, 20 October 2018 (EDT)

Politico reports Mueller wrapping up Russiagate fraud and hoax. A willingness to believe lies is a surefire primary symptom of stupidity. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 18:40, 20 October 2018 (EDT)

Let's hope that this marks the end of an episode of mass hysteria: "‘Transgender’ Could Be Defined Out of Existence Under Trump Administration." In history, there was Elagabalus, the Roman emperor who wanted to be a woman, and the Kinks wrote "Lola." But until Bruce Jenner announced he was woman in 2015, transgenderism had always classified as a mental disease: gender dysphoria. Then the Obama administration announced that transgenders were protected under Title IX. When Title IX was enacted in 1972, I doubt a single congressman imagined it would apply to transgenders. Soon the cool kids were taking "transitioning" hormones in an outbreak of child abuse that we can now lay at Obama's doorstep. PeterKa (talk) 21:06, 21 October 2018 (EDT)

Everytime a Democrat is in the White House, they take the country to a new level of insanity. Makes you wonder how the next one can top Obama, the next time the country goes off on another deranged fit. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 22:37, 21 October 2018 (EDT)

In about 25 years, the USA/world will see Great Depression 2.0 and it will be worse and longer than the first Great Depression.[35] That might sober a lot of people up and cause liberal ideologies to wane. And since liberals/nonreligious have less kids, the USA and the world as a whole could become more religious/conservative too (see: American culture war, demographics and expected tipping point after 2020 and Desecularization).

The baby boomers experienced the greatest burst of prosperity the world ever experienced. With prosperity came pride/corruption. And pride comes before the fall. Great Depression 2.0 is coming. It is not a matter of if, but when.

The pushing of homosexuality/transgenderism might just be a blip on the radar screen and wane with a rise of religiosity/conservatism in our lifetime. On the other hand, maybe it is just a sign of mankind's corruption in the end times before the second coming.Conservative (talk) 23:24, 21 October 2018 (EDT)

Fundamentalist Christianity/Judaism/Islam (namely the fundamentalist Abrahamic religions) are against evolutionism/homosexuality/transgenderism. Because fundamentalists have more children within these religions, religious fundamentalism is expected to grow.

Already, we see evolutionism being essentially booted out of Israel/Turkey in terms of their school systems.

Pew Research indicates: "By 2055 to 2060, just 9% of all babies will be born to religiously unaffiliated women, while more than seven-in-ten will be born to either Muslims (36%) or Christians (35%)."[36] In 2012, the W. Edwards Deming Institute published a report indicating that Christians/Muslims will make up about 66% of the world populations by 2100 (see: Religion and its projected increase in the 22nd century). Anyway you slice it, Abrahamic religion is going to have a big influence in the 21st century.

Homosexuality/transgenderism advocacy is likely going to have significantly less influence in the not to distant future.Conservative (talk) 00:25, 22 October 2018 (EDT)

Business cycle digression

Conservative, your go-to guy is Wesley Clair Mitchell. In 1913 he wrote the classic Business Cycles and Their Causes, drawing on the researches of his tenure at the University of Chicago. As far as I know it is available at the Internet Archive. But he wrote a second edition in 1927 and helped found the National Bureau of Economic Research that same year. Whenever you hear about the beginnings and endings of American recessions, depressions, bull and bear markets, the authority is always the National Bureau of Economic Research. It takes some concentration, but I was able to read it having had only one undergraduate course beyond the first year economics and accounting courses (and read The Worldly Philosophers and Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations)

I didn't finish it though. I had already got a lot of my questions answered from a book I read earlier from the 1950s, The Capitalist Manifesto. The title the authors picked was kind of tongue-in-cheek, and that title does feed into the bogus claims of socialists that the simple free exchange of goods and services is some kind of abstract ideology that needs to be its own "-ism", because they need for their meddling in the economy to seem to be on behalf of fighting a monolithic group secretly pulling all the strings of the economy rather than the reverse and being the imposition on the economy we know that it is. The book is copyrighted, but the authors and their heirs allowed it to be made available for reading on a tribute/bibliographical website.

The factor that has lasted since the 1950s in disturbing capitalist economies is large "growth" companies. I'd hate to try to sum up the whole book in a couple of sentences, but here we are. Large companies with "growth" policies towards their own financing hoard their profits, which insulates the effect of bad business decisions from the negotiation of future financing. Let's say all the bad business decisions of a certain group of growth companies have to do with, say, consumer confidence. Their companies are too large to sell what they can manufacture at the lower price caused by reduced demand, and some may even have hoards of inventory they can't sell at a profit as well. Had they not been insulated, they might have anticipated the reduced consumer confidence with more diligence than they did.

But worse, as a group they may very well have caused the drop in consumer confidence. When they were buying all that inventory, the profits were not returned to the investors. That's perfectly fine with some investors. They can watch the consumer market in the company's line of business, decide the products and services they sell are on a good trend, and the larger size from hoarding profits they have allow them to negotiate what little extra financing they might need more easily, and so they buy—and after a short time later sell before potential complications set in.

But whoever the owners are, a steady economy now depends on insulated officers of large companies to be more discerning about how their investors' own money is spent than the investors themselves. The officers may have other priorities for the application of funds than the continuous operation of the business, like turning an immediate profit to jockey for a higher position in the company. And they may still be able to find work after a large entrepreneurial error even as the investors lose great sums, especially if, say, the loss in consumer confidence is a problem that's "happening to everybody". If stock prices are determined by the ability of the chief officers to project confidence, large failures in parts of the economy may cause investors to scrutinize the confidence of their company's officers and find it lacking and pull their money out even at the cost of a financial loss. Thus a cascading effect may occur to the rest of the economy, causing a widespread loss of consumer confidence and the requisite piled up inventory.

All this, they claim, has to do with an economic principle called Say's Law, and what I have described may very well be summed up in a few short formulas, but maybe the way I spiraled in on the points instead allowed me to leave more vivid pictures of the ideas than I might have otherwise done. VargasMilan (talk) 04:17, 22 October 2018 (EDT)

Hmm,ok. Simple question: What is the difference between

1. profit
2. gain
3. money

Second question: While all profit is gain, are all gains profit?

Third question: Do all profits and gains exist in cash money? If so, why?

If the answer is yes to question three, Doesn't that necessarily increase the cost, and lower the efficiency of producing gain and/or profit? RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 11:34, 22 October 2018 (EDT)

I'll get to your questions soon, Rob, and I'll try to answer them to your satisfaction. But I have to supplement what I said with key insights I left out. I am doing this book's arguments entirely from memory so my mind isn't poisoned by distracting details.

The first insight is how a type of hoarding that might be called "business hoarding" and not "individual hoarding" might impact consumer confidence. It is simply this: if a business's hoarding is spent on more capital added to what it has (by capital I mean goods-producing property like a building, a textile weaving machine or an electric power plant) and everybody does the same, so that there are a lot more of goods-producing capital in the economy than there were, it causes a "general glut" of unsold inventory and lower prices and profits causing the value of goods-producing capital to plummet.

Had the profits regularly been returned to the investors in dividends to begin with, more of the profits might have been spent to consume goods: so there is less capital spending and greater or steady production of goods from existing or slowly increasing capital.

Just so there is no confusion: Investors could every three months sell shares of the business proportional to the profits the business makes that is listed on their financial statements and have the same effect. But practically speaking, a great many investors could not afford to subtract from the return on their investment the financial fees that frequent buying and selling stock would entail.

The second insight is simply a description of the first insight: It would help an individual business in the short-term to plow back their income into capital. But once everyone catches on and does the same, eventually there will be more goods than money to spend for them; prices and profits drop; unemployment rises and a recession or depression ensues.

I'm thinking of a phrase I've heard that I think applies to this insight, and that is "tragedy of the commons": A situation where all individuals in a group are tempted to do something that benefits themselves but simultaneously injures the community of interests they belong to.

Conservatives are not supposed to support more government regulations, but the idea that the government can mandate that a large portion of income must be returned to the investors might be a case of a good exception to the rule, so long as the statutes as applied are not prone to abuse.

Rob, if you'd like to alter your questions in response to this further information, be my guest. Or I will go ahead and answer them soon. VargasMilan (talk) 01:24, 23 October 2018 (EDT)

Your talking about retained earnings. Businesses, like people, have a life cycle.True, there are a few corporations that have been around 100 years plus. Once a company is established and successful, it generally can generate its own capital to expand, or its credit is well established and can secure favorable terms. Most importantly, by using industry profits to capitalize, you're avoiding debt. Avoiding debt means you're denying others (lenders) a piece of the action. It's a small circle of owners who want ground floor action free and clear in an industry that someday will become commonplace.

Growing businesses in a growing market in a new industry, where investors are unfamiliar with the industry and there are risks, are the companies that usually retain earnings. It's cheaper than borrowing, lowers the risk factor, and it generally means investors have faith in management, that management has the new industry and market figured out. And everyone who owns any part of it are getting in on the ground floot. They're in it for the long haul. There not looking for regular income or a quick buck.

That's a long winded way of saying "growth companies." It's a question of faith, believers and non-believers. Believers make sacrifices. Non-believers avoid risk and seek security. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 03:29, 23 October 2018 (EDT)

Is that belief comfort enough for someone afflicted by the great depression that Conservative predicts? VargasMilan (talk) 02:40, 24 October 2018 (EDT)

Long wave economic cycles remain controversial. Kondratieff was a student of Schumpeter and Schumpeter certainly put stock in some of those theories and encouraged him, yet Kondratieff wave theory today is dismissed as quackery and Schumpeter is embraced universally, moreso than Keynes, Friedman, Hayek or von Mises.

Up until Reagan, the business cycle was largely considered to last 48-54 months paralleling the presidential election cycle and the result of the New Deal. The longest post-WWII recovery being 103 months from 1963-1970 paralleled the Vietnam war. Reagan had the controversial if not insane idea (based on the ideas of Hayek) that prosperity and full employment were possible without war, which liberals and leftists ardently opposed cause it challenged orthodox Marxism.

Since Reagan, we've had sustained recoveries lasting 8-10 years in each decade. The crashes have become, to a certain extent, more powerful and more difficult to jump start. And the crash of 2008 was definitely caused by outmoded Marxist theory and affirmative action policies in lending, and not by outmoded industries which is the typical cause of recessions.

Schumpeter says the business cycle typically runs about ten years, and is sustainable. But a crash's chief cause is government. People by nature pursue the long term economic wellbeing of their family. The government is dependent on taxpayers, however the government wants people dependent on government. So the government uses economic crashes to smash the family, which is the main competing threat to government holding people's allegiance. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 10:32, 24 October 2018 (EDT)

I don't know. Somehow I expected less...villainy on the part of our statesmen. VargasMilan (talk) 04:14, 27 October 2018 (EDT)

That's why Schumpeter is so widely respected. He defines the difference between socialism and reality. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 10:58, 27 October 2018 (EDT)

It's a very interesting argument Schumpeter makes in defining the difference between 'short term' and 'long term' in the business cycle. Schumpeter argues that it's a fallacy to say government looks at the long term. He says in the natural order order of things, the individual thinks in the long term by accumulating things for his family, but government thinks in the short term to pay its bills. Hence the individual is forced by government to stop thinking in the long term, abandon savings and accumulation, forced to consume the fruit of his labor in the short term to pay taxes and avoid being robbed by inflation. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 14:23, 27 October 2018 (EDT)

Joseph A. Schumpeter wrote a book called Capitalism, Socialism, and Democracy. He never renewed his copyright on the first or second edition, and his publishers only renewed the third. So I've located a second edition (1942) on Internet Archive to read. Have you read it?

Yes. That's the book I'm citing. Here's another link. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 12:34, 29 October 2018 (EDT)

To get an idea of the flavor of Schumpeter's writing, start on pages 250-251:

"It is held, then, that there exists a Common Good, the obvious beacon light of policy, which is always simple to define and which every normal person can be made to see by means of rational argument. There is hence no excuse for not seeing it and in fact no explanation for the presence of people who do not see it except ignorance—which can be removed—stupidity and anti-social interest. Moreover, this common good implies definite answers to all questions so that every social fact and every measure taken or to be taken can unequivocally be classed as “good” or “bad.” All people having therefore to agree, in principle at least, there is also a Common Will of the people (=will of all reasonable individuals) that is exactly coterminous with the common good or interest or welfare or happiness. The only thing, barring stupidity and sinister interests, that can possibly bring in disagreement and account for the presence of an opposition is a difference of opinion as to the speed with which the goal, itself common to nearly all, is to be approached. Thus every member of the community, conscious of that goal, knowing his or her mind, discerning what is good and what is bad, takes part, actively and responsibly, in furthering the former and fighting the latter and all the members taken together control their public affairs.

"It is true that the management of some of these affairs requires special aptitudes and techniques and will therefore have to be entrusted to specialists who have them. This does not affect the principle, however, because these specialists simply act in order to carry out the will of the people exactly as a doctor acts in order to carry out the will of the patient to get well. It is also true that in a community of any size, especially if it displays the phenomenon of division of labor, it would be highly inconvenient for every individual citizen to have to get into contact with all the other citizens on every issue in order to do his part in ruling or governing. It will be more convenient to reserve only the most important decisions for the individual citizens to pronounce upon—say by referendum—and to deal with the rest through a committee appointed by them—an assembly or parliament whose members will be elected by popular vote. This committee or body of delegates, as we have seen, will not represent the people in a legal sense but it will do so in a less technical one—it will voice, reflect or represent the will of the electorate. Again as a matter of convenience, this committee, being large, may resolve itself into smaller ones for the various departments of public affairs. Finally, among these smaller committees there will be a general-purpose committee, mainly for dealing with current administration, called cabinet or government, possibly with a general secretary or scapegoat at its head, a so-called prime minister." RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 12:48, 29 October 2018 (EDT)

Schumpeter sometimes can be a little thick to read cause, although his native language was German, he wrote the book in English. It's rhetorical in many senses, but has flow once you get accustomed the idioms. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 13:17, 29 October 2018 (EDT)

I don't agree that supply necessarily creates demand (Say's Law). For example, there is a significant supply of miseducated people who can't land a job. But oversupply tends to correct itself because sellers have to lower their price.

I saw an interesting video entitled Don't Major in Engineering - Well Some Types of Engineering. He argues that it is best not to double down on a bad career that is in low demand and to cut your losses. He also argues that if you are unhappy in career then find another one that you can prosper at and is a better fit for you.

The most important skill you can have is to be a fast learner. With this skill, you can adapt with the inevitable changes in the national/global economies. There are a lot of good resources on "accelerated learning" and memorization techniques.

With artificial intelligence and robotics projected to eliminate a lot of jobs, learning fast is going to be one of the most important skills for individuals in the coming years. The prophet Daniel said there is going to be an explosion of knowledge in the end times. There are a lot of liberal "victims"/crybabies who are going to be left in the dust rather than adapt. They will just play the blame game and cry woes me. And given that liberals espouse evolutionism, their lack of adaptiveness will be an irony.Conservative (talk) 06:03, 22 October 2018 (EDT)

We've seen in our own time an explosion of technocrats - people with high levels of electronic communication skills - who are socialists - people wholey ignorant of law, property rights, and fundamental human rights. So knowledge, and specialized knowledge, does not necessarily redound to individual or societal wellbeing. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 11:48, 22 October 2018 (EDT)

Someone with a women's studies degree can actually hurt their employability. Employers may see them as a bogus civil rights lawsuit waiting to happen. It is best to have a highly marketable skill and some working capital. If you have those two things, you can always be self-employed if you wish (For example, if the labor market is not good or you do not like working for someone else). And if the liberals/leftist/malcontents ruin the country you are in, you can leave to go to a better country.Conservative (talk) 13:08, 22 October 2018 (EDT)

We're going to need a page on the MGTOW movement soon enough (like MeToo and WalkAway). Men Going Their Own Way. It's a movement gaining strength after the Kavanaugh smear, not just men mentoring younger men on the pitfalls of marriage and divorce. It's men realizing they can be accused of improprieties with women, evenly falsely, 36 years after the alleged event with devasting effects on family and career. They are not gay or misogynist, they just are swearing off all contacts with females, whether personally or in their careers.

Of course the SPLC, per Wikipedia, has already branded it as racist, sexist, homophobic, white supremacist, bigoted, etc. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 15:39, 23 October 2018 (EDT)

There is clearly an ISIS flag on the bomb photo provided by CNN, yet no one is talking about it. Again, all the usual suspects in the Russia hoax and trying to rig the 2016 election - Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John Brennan, George Soros, Wasserman Schultz, CNN, et al are involved. Instead, we are treated to more conspiracy theories linked to Trump's rhetoric. Looks like it may be another false flag. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 17:35, 24 October 2018 (EDT)

This reminds of the time when a mentally deranged woman threw a shoe at Hillary in Vegas in 2014. If she is seriously planning to run for president again, it is about time for another sympathy incident. Can she cry her way through New Hampshire again? PeterKa (talk) 22:44, 24 October 2018 (EDT)

Probably another one of Brennan's brilliant ideas to influence the outcome.RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 22:57, 24 October 2018 (EDT)

In 2008, Hillary gave her famous Bosnian sniper fire speech while preparing for her presidential run later that year. The vote-for-Hillary-because-she-is-a-victim tradition has to be maintained. PeterKa (talk) 23:26, 24 October 2018 (EDT)

Question for CNN (John Brennan doesn't even work there): Isn't it a federal offense to open mail addressed to someone else? RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 00:54, 25 October 2018 (EDT)

There are bitter and angry people on both sides of the political spectrum.

Because a pipe bomb was sent to Soros as well, my guess is that it is a nonreligious, bitter and angry right-winger similar to Timothy McVeigh. My guess is that all the recent left-wing violence and incivility triggered this guy.Conservative (talk) 13:23, 25 October 2018 (EDT) [

Looks like it was all a hoax.[37] RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 13:44, 25 October 2018 (EDT)

Between the Hillary whitewash, FISA abuse, Kavanaugh smear and now the mail bomb hoax, we're building a solid case ("fact pattern") that Democrats will stop at nothing to meddle in elections and attack American democracy. Collateral damage to this is the reputation of mainstream media. We're witnessing the death of the two-party system that has existed for two hundred years. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 13:50, 25 October 2018 (EDT)

And we haven't even raised the subject of illegal voting. David Schippers, Chief Counsel to the Clinton Impeachment Committee, said there was enough grounds for impeachment in 1998 over illegal immigrant voting encouraged and allowed by Clinton himself through direct orders to the INS. The Democrats had a long-term strategy to build a voting base of illegal migrants. House Republicans however were afraid of being called racist. They went with the Lewinsky charges instead. We've reached the end point of an issue that began in the Clinton INS and was left unchecked. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 14:25, 25 October 2018 (EDT)

ISIS who crawled across the open border + rudimentary knowledge of conservative foes = false flag operation against conservatives + fake media complicity. Either that or a second generation immigrant. But ISIS who crawled across the open border + high profile crime = FBI cover-up or self-sabotage to end or bury investigation of ISIS crawling across open border + fake media complicity. We learned from a woman who was arrested for sending ricin to Obama that the U.S. Post Office takes a picture of every piece of mail sent in the United States. You'd think the FBI would have solved it by now. Let's watch to see if the FBI drops the ball again. VargasMilan (talk) 19:15, 25 October 2018 (EDT)

There were no bombs. They all were fake. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 20:11, 25 October 2018 (EDT)

Hoax bombs are common enough that they don't usually make national headlines. The media is clearly in on this hoax. PeterKa (talk) 01:07, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

It's high profile, because it became a political football, especially by those in the media who raced ahead of the story in order to cram their own disingenuous pseudo-speculation blaming Trump into the narrative, before it set (solidified), and the facts rolled in the next day. Where, meanwhile, the next news cycle (with surprisingly different priorities!) had already begun. Maybe we can get them to throw us a bone and add microscopic corrections in the moving ticker to the fake news' talking head TV stories and to page Z-99 of the fake news papers with editorials, while they are presenting a new, different story about how Trump and his supporters have disappointed the nation. But ten counts of terrorist acts can get you a long time in the slammer. Look up the latest photo of jealous Linda Sarsour in her "Ask me about my terrorist act!" hijab to find the story of her one-year stint there.

BTW one of the claims was that Trump used the phrase "enemy of the people" about the fake media which drove the fake bomber to commit his crimes out of hateful resentment. Stupid Senator Jeff Flake complained he was quoting Stalin. That would have been a little hard for him to originate the quote as he must have been four years old when he passed it on to Henrik Ibsen who wrote the play An Enemy of the People in 1882. VargasMilan (talk) 03:05, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

It's all about flipping the narrative. Note how a gang of nazis killed a girl in Charlottesville, not a deranged individual anymore. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 04:03, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

I was correct. The "bomber" was a disgrunted right-winger.[38] The rash of violent leftism and liberal/leftist uncivility was bound to cause some blowback. Newton said that for every reaction there is an opposite reaction.Conservative (talk) 12:45, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

Like abortion clinic bombers? Like Timothy McVeigh? CesarS (talk) 12:55, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

What are the odds, though, that Sayoc is really a Democrat operative instructed by his handlers to pretend to be a "right-winger"? Some digging just might uncover the truth. Northwest (talk) 12:56, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

What are the odds? Pretty slim. You would have to ignore the existing evidence to grab onto that long shot proposition. The left/liberals have been doing a lot of illegitimate things over the last 60 years or so to cause American right-wingers/blue-collar workers to become disgrunted with the current political system. That is why Trump was elected. With disgruntled people you get some threats of violence, violence,etc.Conservative (talk) 13:11, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

Just discovered - and it proved my guess about Sayoc being a Democrat right: [39]

And now that the truth is out, look for the liberal media to bury this story faster than you can say "Justice Brett Kavanaugh". Northwest (talk) 13:16, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

We're making too much out of this. Heres the facts: CNN reported fake news; (2) we need a final report from FBI as to how many were operational. Then the whole incident can be dismissed as fake bombs and fake news. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 13:19, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

NW: BTW, I'm gonna upload that img. Good work! RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 13:27, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

I was correct too, Conservative, about him either being an ISIS supporter or a second generation immigrant:

He was born in Brooklyn in 1962, the son of a Filipino immigrant, and attended North Miami Beach High School, according to information from ancestry.com, the genealogy company that tests the DNA of customers to reveal the ancestral roots. Chang, Daniel and Smiley, David (October 26, 2018, 3:29p EST). Cesar Sayoc claims to be affiliated with Seminoles, but tribe disavows any connection. Miami Herald website, retrieved October 26, 2018.VargasMilan (talk) 19:33, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

NorthWest, you don't have any real evidence he was a Democrat at the time he sent out the packages. The MyLife website screen capture obscures the date. Ronald Reagan was a one time Democrat. Trump used to be a liberal and he was probably a Democrat. Without a date he was a Democrat, you don't have much. The evidence points to him being a bitter, nonreligious, right-winger just like I predicted.Conservative (talk) 14:28, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

Stay tuned, it'll get uncovered soon enough. Northwest (talk) 14:33, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

Because of crossover voting, party registration is meaningless, particularly among political junkies and operatives. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 14:40, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

Yeah, and besides, we really don't have any evidence that whoever was responsible for the "bombs" was right-wing, either. Let's not forget, the left-wing has been rather notorious for having a lot of in-fighting going on, especially if they think their "contemporaries" aren't left-wing enough. Some of this has even gone to rows such as between Trotsky and Stalin, the Soviets and the Communists, heck, Hitler and Rohm, even. For all we know, it could be some nut who thinks that Soros isn't left-wing enough for him or her. In fact, Ron Radosh when describing what Howard Zinn was like essentially said he quit the Communist Party specifically because he didn't view it as radical enough for his tastes. Besides, not all left-wingers are democrats, or even of the two big political parties. The Democratic Socialists of America aren't exactly known to be the Democrat party, and technically, Bernie Sanders is listed as an Independent rather than a Democrat or a Republican. Pokeria1 (talk) 14:45, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

Why is it surprising a political operative attended a Trump rally? Infiltration is what they do. Project Veritas verified this.

In my state, we are about to elect an Ocasio-Cortez clone (dang, why are Hispanic women so good looking?) only because 10,000 Democrats registered as Republicans in a district that has been Republican for 34 of the past 36 years. It's the only way they can win. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 15:03, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

He was a second-generation immigrant too, which I predicted as one of the two most likely profiles. VargasMilan (talk) 18:09, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

I was entirely correct about him probably being a disgruntled right-winger. And given his risque method of earning money, my conjecture that he would be nonreligious is likely correct.

"Cesar Sayoc, named as the suspect who is under arrest in the series of suspicious packages that were sent to former presidents and top Democratic officials, was a registered Republican who drove a van covered with pro Donald Trump and Republican-oriented stickers."[40] Conservative (talk) 15:12, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

You were entirely correct based on how much faith you put in Heavy.com. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 15:22, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

I made a conscious effort not to engage in confirmation bias despite the fact that I lean Republican/conservative. I just went with the available evidence. Facts should drive theory and not vice versa. I also used Occam's razor so I would not dive down the over complex theory and/or conspiracy nut rabbit hole. And I was entirely correct because I used the inference to the best explanation.

Lastly, I have found that Heavy.com does the best job of reporting on the latest psycho who engages in high profile violence. They produce their results fast. And they are fairly comprehensive in their information and also accurate. They must put a very high priority on this type of reporting.Conservative (talk) 16:03, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

We don't have enough information to make a judgement on. His political/ideological views are moot compared to other more pressing issues, such as (1) CNN in this case did in fact spread fake news, and continues to do so; (2) Democrat leaders called for violence, Trump did not; (3) the migrant mob heading North. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 18:25, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

He was a second-generation immigrant too, which I predicted as one of the two most likely profiles. VargasMilan (talk) 18:09, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

Technically, we don't know if he's a right-winger, either. Like I said, the left-wing has a pretty big tendency to engage in severe infighting (and I even cited actual examples in history of this sort of thing going on. Heck, I can even cite an example of Antifa attacking some liberals like Paul Welch in Portland, Oregon, and neither are right wing/conservative by ANY stretch). And besides, as RobSmith pointed out, there have been plenty of infiltrations of leftists into the republican party. Heck, several even did so at Donald Trump rallies to instigate fights. And let's not forget the whole Spencer issue, where he faked being a right winger to demonize Trump. Sure, the bomb guy might be registered as a Republican, but that DOESN'T mean he's right wing. RINOs exist, after all, and that's even assuming they didn't just infiltrate the party to make it look bad. Pokeria1 (talk) 16:59, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

None of it matters since he's not a bomber. Per the Associated Press:

7:50 p.m. A law enforcement official says tests have determined that a powder found inside an envelope delivered to CNN along with a pipe bomb was harmless. The official wasn’t authorized to discuss the investigation publicly and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity. New York City’s police commissioner said earlier Wednesday that the package sent to CNN’s offices in Manhattan contained a live explosive and an envelope containing white powder. The FBI said the package was similar to explosives sent to former President Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, former Attorney General Eric Holder and billionaire George Soros. The package sent to CNN was addressed to former CIA Director John Brennan, a frequent guest on the channel. The official says that parcel contained no note or claim of responsibility. — Tom Hays Associated Press, October 24, 2018

We have other more important questions to answer first, like who at CNN took it upon themself to violate federal law and open John Brennan's mail? My God, as a former CIA director, there could have been classified information in there. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 18:05, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

BTW, regarding the pro-Trump stickers on his van, someone my mom knows noticed that the stickers looked too good as new, especially for a guy who had been living in Florida (as the heat in Florida is such that stickers pretty quickly lose their appeal when exposed to the intense heat, not to mention instances such as driving through rain and mud). That would suggest that the guy who sent the bombs just purchased stickers and put them all over his van at the very least mere hours before he was arrested. Pokeria1 (talk) 18:30, 26 October 2018 (EDT)