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== Chip Roy == | == Chip Roy == | ||
Rep. [[Chip Roy]] (R-TX) is a [[Opposition to Donald Trump|Never-Trumper]] who has been AWOL on the all-important [[election integrity]] issues. Without fair elections, no amount of bluster matters.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 16:26, December 22, 2022 (EST) | Rep. [[Chip Roy]] (R-TX) is a [[Opposition to Donald Trump|Never-Trumper]] who has been AWOL on the all-important [[election integrity]] issues. Without fair elections, no amount of bluster matters.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 16:26, December 22, 2022 (EST) | ||
| − | :Personally, I don't see stances merely on Trump as what should be a prioritizing determinant for whether an individual merits the award. I'm open to differing opinions on this, and to reiterate a point above, I see Trump at this point as being too drowned in his own selfish personal ambitions and exploiting the conservative movement to help himself. While it may be reasonable to argue that Roy's opposition to Trump prior to 1/6/2021 were unreasonable, at this point, his distancing from Trumpism isn't unreasonable, IMO. Furthermore, the term "Never Trumper" in being applied to him may not be accurate, since during Trump's presidency he supported the strong conservative policies, from my understanding. Whether he truly ''never'' supported Trump is most likely debatable. | + | :Personally, I don't see stances merely on Trump as what should be a prioritizing determinant for whether an individual merits the award. I'm open to differing opinions on this, and to reiterate a point above, I see Trump at this point as being too drowned in his own selfish personal ambitions and exploiting the conservative movement to help himself. While it may be reasonable to argue that Roy's opposition to Trump prior to 1/6/2021 were unreasonable, at this point, his distancing from Trumpism isn't unreasonable, IMO. Furthermore, the term "Never Trumper" in being applied to him may not be accurate, since during Trump's presidency he supported the strong conservative policies, from my understanding. Whether he truly ''never'' supported Trump is most likely debatable, though I admit that you are likely more knowledgeable about this focus in particular since you were an early original researcher into Cruzism. |
:When it comes to election integrity, I see nowadays that most of its heavily outspoken purported proponents ride the fence of zealous trutherism or reach into that territory too far. While the issue is important, I personally don't think Roy should be heavily seen with suspicion on the mere grounds that he doesn't ''seem'' to emphasize election laws the same manner that mainline MAGA populists do. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>(Exodus 23:2)</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 16:35, December 22, 2022 (EST) | :When it comes to election integrity, I see nowadays that most of its heavily outspoken purported proponents ride the fence of zealous trutherism or reach into that territory too far. While the issue is important, I personally don't think Roy should be heavily seen with suspicion on the mere grounds that he doesn't ''seem'' to emphasize election laws the same manner that mainline MAGA populists do. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>(Exodus 23:2)</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 16:35, December 22, 2022 (EST) | ||
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Elon Musk
Elon Musk is going to be somewhat/largely constrained by corporate advertisers. But there are alternatives to the major brands run by liberals beginning to rise which Steve Turley recently commented on. See: The Parallel Economy Is EXPLODING.
In addition, the world is turning into more a multipolar world so the USA/Western liberal corporations/governments are going to become powerful.
At the end of the day, maybe Elon Musk seriously harming Twitter financially may be the best thing that comes out of him taking over Twitter. Similarweb.com says Twitter is the 4rth most popular website in the world.[1] But hopefully, it will somewhat increase free speech in the USA and lower the alliance between big tech and big government such as the Twitter blocking the Hunter Biden story shortly before the 2022 election. MarkLM8 (talk) 19:37, November 19, 2022 (EST)
- A $44 billion net loss carry forward when he sells Twitter for scrap would pretty much guarantee the world's richest man being tax-free for life. And the IRS would have difficulty proving it was sham investment. RobSGive Peace a chance 19:50, November 19, 2022 (EST)
- I still think that Musk should remain on the list for the following reasons: (1) He announced he voted for a Republican (Mayra Flores) for the first time; (2) He encouraged his massive following to vote Republican; and (3) He unblocked Donald Trump.--TheNewRight (talk) 21:30, November 19, 2022 (EST)
- He is an agnostic libertarian who has been divorced three times. He also had the very liberal Amber Heard as a girlfriend. He is not a conservative. But he is a very hardworking and a job creator. He is also for free speech to some degree.
- I still think that Musk should remain on the list for the following reasons: (1) He announced he voted for a Republican (Mayra Flores) for the first time; (2) He encouraged his massive following to vote Republican; and (3) He unblocked Donald Trump.--TheNewRight (talk) 21:30, November 19, 2022 (EST)
- In November 6, 2022, the corporate cancer of the problem of censorship remains and it is probably due to not wanting to lose corporate advertisers.[2]
- RT.com: "Social media platform Twitter has made good on its warnings and slashed 50% of its workforce, the company’s head of safety and integrity Yoel Roth announced in a tweet on Saturday. “Yesterday’s reduction in force affected approximately 15% of our Trust & Safety organization (as opposed to approximately 50% cuts company-wide), with our front-line moderation staff experiencing the least impact,” he tweeted, emphasizing that the team responsible for monitoring and preventing misinformation and harmful content on the platform has remained largely intact. According to Roth, battling misinformation on the platform will remain a top priority for Twitter. The same goal was emphasized by the company’s new owner, billionaire Elon Musk, in his own tweet."[3] MarkLM8 (talk) 22:52, November 19, 2022 (EST)
- How do we know you're not giving us misinformation? RobSGive Peace a chance 22:57, November 19, 2022 (EST)
- I cited RT.com and a right-winger. But if you want to believe it is misinformation, go right ahead.
- How do we know you're not giving us misinformation? RobSGive Peace a chance 22:57, November 19, 2022 (EST)
- Elon Musk knows technology and is an innovator. But he also has Asperger's so perhaps being the owner of a social media company is not the best fit for him.[4] MarkLM8 (talk) 23:06, November 19, 2022 (EST)
- Now wait a minute, if say RT looks good, I'm a Putin stooge. If I say it looks bad, I'm a Russophobe. Maybe I don't want to play that game. RobSGive Peace a chance 23:39, November 19, 2022 (EST)
- Elon Musk knows technology and is an innovator. But he also has Asperger's so perhaps being the owner of a social media company is not the best fit for him.[4] MarkLM8 (talk) 23:06, November 19, 2022 (EST)
Amber Heard and Elon Musk had a romantic relationship and a picture is provided. Amber Heard is a liberal bisexual.[5] Musk has been divorced three times (Two times with the same person).[6][7] MarkLM8 (talk) 23:14, November 19, 2022 (EST)
- Oh, so if she didn't crap in his bed, that means there's no animosity and possibly a lingering relationship? I'm really getting confused now by this reasoning. RobSGive Peace a chance 23:43, November 19, 2022 (EST)
Elon Musk quote: "I'm somewhere in the middle, socially liberal and fiscally conservative."[8] Musk is a libertarian. MarkLM8 (talk) 23:16, November 19, 2022 (EST)
Nominations
I think that I can add many nominations such as
- Glenn Youngkin deserve nomination for for his reforms in education and elections laws after assuming the position of governor of Virginia.
- JD Vance for leading successful America first Senate campaign
- Clarence Thomas for his rule to overturning Roe V. Wade
- Joe Lombardo for winning Nevada gubernatorial election
- Greg Abbott for his efforts to secure the borders and stop illegal immigration, and for his big win over Beto O'Rourke
- Marco Rubio for his big victory over Val Demings
- Mike Lawler for his victory over Sean Patrick Maloney
- Brian Kemp I dislike him, but ending Stacey Abrams political career have blessed our heart
- Herschel Walker in case he defeating Raphael Warnock in the run-off
- Giorgia Meloni for winning the Italian election
- Harreit Hageman for defeating Liz Cheney in Wyoming
- They all look good. RobSGive Peace a chance 23:37, November 19, 2022 (EST)
I want also add Kris Kobach for his victory in Kansas attorney general election, despite liberal overspent to defeat him --Alex Kosh (talk) 23:40, November 19, 2022 (EST)
- I think the 5 U.S. Supreme Court Justices that clearly ruled in favor of oveturning Roe vs. Wade should win in 2022. "The majority opinion, authored by Justice Samuel Alito, was joined by Justices Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett. Chief Justice John Roberts filed an opinion concurring in the judgement, in which he advocated for a more narrow ruling."[9] Maybe the 6th judge John Roberts should be left out of winning. Andy Schlafy would know better than I whether Roberts should be left out since he probably knows more about the ruling than I do. MarkLM8 (talk) 03:28, November 20, 2022 (EST)
- The advantage of giving the 5 U.S. Supreme Court Justices instead of just giving Clarence Thomas the award is that Samuel Alito is deserving of the award just was much as Clarence Thomas. Overturning Roe vs. Wade was a long sought over and hard fought goal of conservatives so the 5 U.S. Supreme Court Justices should win. Alternatively, The Federalist Society or Donald Trump should win since they both were responsible for more conservative SCOTUS judges. In retrospect, maybe giving the award to the Federalist Society might be the way to go since they were most responsible for overturning Roe vs. Wade. MarkLM8 (talk) 09:47, November 20, 2022 (EST)
- Alito was strong in the running last year, and for a couple years now, I think. RobSGive Peace a chance 10:26, November 20, 2022 (EST)
- How's this: We give recognition to Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas, and Amy Coney Barrett {Kavanagh we could debate). Brian Kemp I'd toss out (Stacy Abrams & Beto seem to have made careers out of losing). RobSGive Peace a chance 10:35, November 20, 2022 (EST)
- The advantage of giving the 5 U.S. Supreme Court Justices instead of just giving Clarence Thomas the award is that Samuel Alito is deserving of the award just was much as Clarence Thomas. Overturning Roe vs. Wade was a long sought over and hard fought goal of conservatives so the 5 U.S. Supreme Court Justices should win. Alternatively, The Federalist Society or Donald Trump should win since they both were responsible for more conservative SCOTUS judges. In retrospect, maybe giving the award to the Federalist Society might be the way to go since they were most responsible for overturning Roe vs. Wade. MarkLM8 (talk) 09:47, November 20, 2022 (EST)
- I think the 5 U.S. Supreme Court Justices that clearly ruled in favor of oveturning Roe vs. Wade should win in 2022. "The majority opinion, authored by Justice Samuel Alito, was joined by Justices Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett. Chief Justice John Roberts filed an opinion concurring in the judgement, in which he advocated for a more narrow ruling."[9] Maybe the 6th judge John Roberts should be left out of winning. Andy Schlafy would know better than I whether Roberts should be left out since he probably knows more about the ruling than I do. MarkLM8 (talk) 03:28, November 20, 2022 (EST)
- I took down Kemp. Also, if we're going to have Youngkin up there, we might as well have Tulsi Gabbard. They're YGL alum. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:47, November 21, 2022 (EST)
DeSantis
I think that Ron DeSantis is a clear frontrunner. Under his leadership, he promoted Conservative policies despite massive opposition from liberals, the Mainstream Media, and RINOs. Despite constant criticism, he won reelection in a historic landslide, transforming Florida into a borderline safe Republican state. He also provided coattails for down ballot Republicans, giving Republicans control of all statewide offices for the first time in more than a century, as well as 4 additional Republican United States Representatives.--TheNewRight (talk) 18:12, November 20, 2022 (EST)
I favor either Zeldin or Youngkin for Conservative of the Year
Both of them follow a more reasonable path of conservatism as opposed to the excesses of populist demagoguery demonstrated by the rest of the contenders. Youngkin and Zeldin have made strong Republican inroads in blue states and symbolize the practical future of the GOP. —LT (The Old Right was right!) Thursday, 19:24, November 23, 2022 (EST)
What is definition of populist demagoguery? --Alex Kosh (talk) 13:27, November 30, 2022 (EST)
Sam Alito wins, no question.
Our article on Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization rightly says (with Mr. Schlafly's endorsement, might I add), Dobbs was the biggest victory for the pro-life and conservative legal movements in over 50 years. It ended the mass slaughter of innocent unborn life. Alito has saved millions of unborn lives. He delivered the largest conservative victory in over 50 years. While he did it with some assistance from Donald Trump, he did not appoint any SCOTUS justices this year. MayGodBless (talk) 20:13, November 26, 2022 (EST)
I agree Sam Alito and Clarence Thomas both deserve to win this year. After disappointment of Kansas, Kentucky, Montana and Michigan referendums on abortion. Conservatives need to push back and celebrate those who overturn evil Roe v Wade. --Alex Kosh (talk) 13:24, November 30, 2022 (EST)
- I believe that Justice Alito alone should get the title. Yes, Justice Thomas wrote a stellar concurring opinion, but he was unable to persuade a single other justice to join it. Only Justice Alito was able to craft an opinion that got 5 votes to stop legalized murder. Conservative of the Year is not an award for the most Conservative person that year. If this were the case, how did President Donald Trump win the award? He is a Conservative, but he is not the most conservative person. For example, he supports part of the homosexual agenda. It is for the person who gets the most Conservative results that year. This year, that man is indisputably Justice Samuel Alito. MayGodBless (talk) 13:37, December 6, 2022 (EST)
- The reason why I add Justice Thomas because he said that he would target Obergefell v. Hodges next. This is something that conservatives should all support. They need to push back after congress codify Same sex marriage --Alex Kosh (talk) 18:40, December 9, 2022 (EST)
- But that is something in the future, not this year. When he, by the grace of God, succeeds, then we ca talk about awarding him the title of Conservative of the Year. But not in 2022. MayGodBless (talk) 11:28, December 15, 2022 (EST)
- The reason why I add Justice Thomas because he said that he would target Obergefell v. Hodges next. This is something that conservatives should all support. They need to push back after congress codify Same sex marriage --Alex Kosh (talk) 18:40, December 9, 2022 (EST)
A problem with picking a Supreme Court Justice now is that conservative populism is the political movement of the year, and justices don't really fit that mold.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 00:45, December 22, 2022 (EST)
Three Frontrunners
Hello! I think that Ron DeSantis, Justice Alito, and Elon Musk are the three obvious frontrunners. Any thoughts?--TheNewRight (talk) 21:45, December 14, 2022 (EST)
- I like the collective conservative members of the Supreme Court (minus Roberts and possibly whoever), Doug MacGregor for his courage against prevailing headwinds, and Rand Paul for a variety of reasons (Fauci, Ukraine, etc.). RobSGive Peace a chance 00:52, December 15, 2022 (EST)
- Elon Musk is a libertarian and not a conservative. There is a lot of pro-Trump and anti-Desantis sentiments at the wiki so DeSantis is out. Both Conservative SCOTUS judges minus Roberts or Rand Paul make sense.
- Doug MacGregor appeared on Russia Today and he takes Russia's position in the Russia-Ukraine War. I will explain why I am against MacGregor being the conservative of the year. George Washington said "It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world." I take the position that the USA should not take any position in the Russia-Ukraine War as both sides are corrupt/authoritarian and Putin is hated by some of our allies (For example, the UK has met their NATO obligations so I would consider the UK to be an ally and not merely a protectorate. Also, Poland will raise defence spending to the equivalent of 5% of GDP, ruling party chairman Jarosław Kaczyński has announced so they are an ally and not a protectorate.) I argue that the Europeans who have a population of 446.8 million should handle the Ukraine issue since it is in their backyard. In addition, Europe has been slackers for decades in terms of their defense. After the dust settles, given the threat of China that will exist for awhile (unfair trade practices, intellectual property theft, their increasing agression in the China Sea, exporting of authoritarian systems/technology to other countries and their threats against Taiwan), it makes sense for the USA to have friendlier relations with Russia after the Russia-Ukraine War settles. China poses a temporary threat as it has the worst aging population problem in the world and a ton of debt so their economy is headed for trouble. Conservative (talk) 13:20, December 15, 2022 (EST)
- Europeans can't handle the Ukraine war cause the United States started the war, and both EU & NATO take orders from the United States. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:45, December 15, 2022 (EST)
- All your Ukrainian troll bots just got banned from Twitter, so you're going to need new talking points. RobSGive Peace a chance 18:00, December 15, 2022 (EST)
- I think the Twitter files, especially those released today, dispels the notion that MacGregor "takes Russia's position" or is a Putin stooge, and demonstrates the extent of deep state and mass media brainwashing infiltrating the conservative movement and even into Conservedia. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:11, December 17, 2022 (EST)
- This makes no sense: you begin quoting George Washington, "It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world." Then proceed to say how sacred and holy the NATO alliance is with Britain, Poland and others. Doug MacGregor holds up the words of Washington, not Putin. RobSGive Peace a chance 03:44, December 17, 2022 (EST)
- Doug MacGregor appeared on Russia Today and he takes Russia's position in the Russia-Ukraine War. I will explain why I am against MacGregor being the conservative of the year. George Washington said "It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world." I take the position that the USA should not take any position in the Russia-Ukraine War as both sides are corrupt/authoritarian and Putin is hated by some of our allies (For example, the UK has met their NATO obligations so I would consider the UK to be an ally and not merely a protectorate. Also, Poland will raise defence spending to the equivalent of 5% of GDP, ruling party chairman Jarosław Kaczyński has announced so they are an ally and not a protectorate.) I argue that the Europeans who have a population of 446.8 million should handle the Ukraine issue since it is in their backyard. In addition, Europe has been slackers for decades in terms of their defense. After the dust settles, given the threat of China that will exist for awhile (unfair trade practices, intellectual property theft, their increasing agression in the China Sea, exporting of authoritarian systems/technology to other countries and their threats against Taiwan), it makes sense for the USA to have friendlier relations with Russia after the Russia-Ukraine War settles. China poses a temporary threat as it has the worst aging population problem in the world and a ton of debt so their economy is headed for trouble. Conservative (talk) 13:20, December 15, 2022 (EST)
- Why would DeSantis be out? Just because some people prefer him over Trump? He has had an extraordinary year as Governor of Florida, pushing Conservative legislation, such as parental rights in schools, despite strong backlash from the Left and from the media. As for Musk, as stated above, this is not about who is the most Conservative, which he is clearly not, but about who has been the most successful or effective at pushing Conservatism and / or resisting Leftism. I agree that Justice Alito should probably be the Conservative of the Year, with DeSantis as the 1st Runner-Up and Musk as the 2nd Runner-Up. Also, I will be creating the RINO of the Year, 2022 page soon. Thanks!--TheNewRight (talk) 15:00, December 15, 2022 (EST)
- Thanks. I'll be posting my opinions there as well.--Geopolitician (talk) 00:44, December 22, 2022 (EST)
- Read: Desantisites. But if push comes to shove and DeSantis runs against Biden, I would vote for DeSantis. Conservative (talk) 15:03, December 15, 2022 (EST)
- I agree that some of DeSantis's supporters are establishment / RINO Republicans. However, DeSantis has had many Conservative accomplishments this year. Examples: Florida Parental Rights in Education Act; House Bill 395, which mandates that schools teach about the oppression of Communism; SB 1054, which requires high school students to take a financial literacy course, making Florida the largest state to do so; stood up to Fauci / vaccine supporters on many occasions; decided against ordering COVID vaccines for children younger than 5 years old, making Florida the only state not to preorder vaccines for young children; signed a pro-Republican house map, resulting in 4 additional Republicans in the House; won re-election in a historic landslide, winning the traditionally Democratic strongholds of Miami-Beach County, Osceola County, and Palm Beach County.--TheNewRight (talk) 16:05, December 15, 2022 (EST)
- Why would DeSantis be out? Just because some people prefer him over Trump? He has had an extraordinary year as Governor of Florida, pushing Conservative legislation, such as parental rights in schools, despite strong backlash from the Left and from the media. As for Musk, as stated above, this is not about who is the most Conservative, which he is clearly not, but about who has been the most successful or effective at pushing Conservatism and / or resisting Leftism. I agree that Justice Alito should probably be the Conservative of the Year, with DeSantis as the 1st Runner-Up and Musk as the 2nd Runner-Up. Also, I will be creating the RINO of the Year, 2022 page soon. Thanks!--TheNewRight (talk) 15:00, December 15, 2022 (EST)
I agree with Alito and Musk being in the top two, but would not rank DeSantis that high.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 22:31, December 15, 2022 (EST)
- I personally would rank DeSantis high for RINO of the Year. What do you think, Andy?--Geopolitician (talk) 01:25, December 22, 2022 (EST)
- Since Alito wrote the majority opinion in an assertive manner that overturned Roe vs. Wade, I think he should win. Musk is only partially conservative since he ia a libertarian and not a conservative. Conservative (talk) 10:26, December 17, 2022 (EST)
- Colonel Doug MacGregor is a more important figure than I thought. He not only wants the USA to take a wiser approach to the Russia-Ukraine War, but he also wants to restructure the USA military and reorder its priorities/strategies in way that will that would be very good reforms (see: Odessa falls and Ukraine becomes a landlocked country - Colonel Doug MacGregor). But the sad, cold, hard reality is that he is very much in the minority as far as influential people and he will not be listened to in the foreseeable future. Maybe the USA will learn from its foreign policy and military strategy mistakes sooner rather than later, but I would not count on it. Conservative (talk) 20:04, December 17, 2022 (EST)
- He's off the Twitter blacklist. People can link to him now. RobSGive Peace a chance 20:06, December 17, 2022 (EST)
- And the Ukro troll bots have been reined in - the propaganda mess created by CIA/NATO has been slapped down. Mass brainwashing has been curbed, for a while , at least. RobSGive Peace a chance 20:09, December 17, 2022 (EST)
- My only thinking on the matter is, we should not reward someone who supports the insane Ukraine war policy, which then either favors a judge (or judges) or an outspoken critic of the insanity. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:09, December 22, 2022 (EST)
- Colonel Doug MacGregor is a more important figure than I thought. He not only wants the USA to take a wiser approach to the Russia-Ukraine War, but he also wants to restructure the USA military and reorder its priorities/strategies in way that will that would be very good reforms (see: Odessa falls and Ukraine becomes a landlocked country - Colonel Doug MacGregor). But the sad, cold, hard reality is that he is very much in the minority as far as influential people and he will not be listened to in the foreseeable future. Maybe the USA will learn from its foreign policy and military strategy mistakes sooner rather than later, but I would not count on it. Conservative (talk) 20:04, December 17, 2022 (EST)
5 reasons why Elon Musk should not be conservative of the year
Here are 5 reasons why Elon Musk should not be conservative of year:
1. On July 14, 2018, Elon Musk said, "To be clear, I am not a conservative."[10] Are we to believe that he became a conservative in the last 4 years? I don't think so. And he certainly hasn't called himself a conservative in the last 4 years.
2. Elon Musk does not believe in the existence of God because he is an agnostic. Here is a video: Elon Musk is an agnostic
3. In 2017, Elon Musk broke up with his bisexual, liberal girlfriend Amber Heard who is a Hollywood actress. Amber Heard said, "I will never be a religious person". In 2018, Elon Musk broke up with Amber Heard a second time.
4. On November 7, 2022, Elon Musk said, "And I’m open to the idea of voting Democrat again in the future."[11] Does any person believe that the Democrats are largely going to be conservatives in Elon Musk's lifetime? I very much doubt Musk believes that.
5. On November 7, 2022, Elon Musk said, "I am neither conventionally right nor left, but I agree with your point."[12] Why would Conservapedia pick someone who is not even on the right side of the political spectrum to be conservative of the year? Conservapedians might was well pick the political moderate Mitch McConnell to be the conservative of the year if they are going to pick a moderate to be the conservative of the year. Conservative (talk) 23:06, December 21, 2022 (EST)
- Agreed. It's my observation that "Conservative of the Year" has increasingly become less about exemplifications of consistent traditional conservative principles grounded in Judeo-Christian morality, and instead views whatever greatest perceived contemporary obstacle against the neo-Marxist left, whether authentic or expedient, as the de jure figurehead for the conservative movement's future. Given that Musk is known as a flip-flopping, self-admittedly promiscuous, clout-obsessed, opportunistic, abortion-financing, Satanism-promoting, self-described liberal, I think his record speaks for itself. —
LT(Exodus 23:2) Thursday, 23:30, December 21, 2022 (EST)
Geopolitician's two sense
Alright, time to (finally) participate in a Conservative of the Year discussion after nearly six years of being a member of this wiki. Stay tuned, I'm compiling my opinions now and I've got a lot of catching up to do.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:49, December 21, 2022 (EST)
- Here we go.
- Samuel Alito- Yes. Writing the majority opinion overturning Roe v. Wade, would make him a candidate for Conservative of the Decade, much less Conservative of the Year.
- Elon Musk- Ugh. He's such a contrarian. One moment he's a libertarian, another moment he's advocating that we be more like the CCP. And then take into account him backing DeSantis for 2024, while for some odd reason not voting at all in the midterms. I'm leaning toward a no.
- Douglas MacGregor- Yes. He may or may not be a conservative outside of foreign policy, but his hardline stance against the Ukraine war is highly commendable.
- Ashley Moody- No. Getting re-elected by a large margin is not noteworthy in and of itself.
- Ron DeSantis- NO.
- Donald Trump- Yes, but not because of his record in the midterms. That's peanuts compared to being persecuted by the Deep State for purely political reasons.
- Marjorie Taylor Greene- A few days ago I would've been a yes, but her recent comments comparing opponents of Kevin McCarthy to NeverTrumpers was way out of line. For this reason I'm now a no.
- Clarence Thomas- Yes, although he is clearly overshadowed by Alito on the Roe v. Wade overturn.
- Neil Gorsuch- Yes, for proving me wrong. I feared he would capitulate and vote to keep Roe v. Wade.
- Brett Kavanaugh- Yes, see above.
- Amy Coney Barrett- Yes, see above.
- Federalist Society- No. They have a history of recommending judges who turn out to be flakes. The fact that their picks for SCOTUS happened to vote the right way on overturning Roe v. Wade doesn't change that.
- Rick Scott- No. He may have challenged McConnell, but he did it once it was too late to change the outcome of the midterms. He should've stood up to McConnell much earlier.
- Dinesh D'Souza- Yes. The release of 2,000 Mules was a significant event for conservatism in 2022, even if you don't agree with everything it says.
- Rand Paul- Yes. His hardline stance against both COVID tyranny and the Ukraine war make him a top candidate in my book. He's also my first choice for Trump's running mate in 2024.
- Lee Zeldin- Yes. Not a fan of him, but his near-win in New York cannot be ignored.
- Mark Robinson- No. His statements against gay marriage didn't get enough national attention make him competitive with some of the other choices on the list.
- Canadian Freedom Convoy Protestors- Yes, for obvious reasons.
- JD Vance- Yes. From best-selling author to subject of Academy Award-nominated movie to Senator, this guy is going places. Also, he's solid on most of the major issues.
- Joe Lombardo- Yes. He was the only Republican to flip a governorship this year, and he did it in a state that hasn't voted GOP in a presidential election in nearly 20 years. That's significant.
- Greg Abbott- Yes. I may not be the biggest fan of him, but his confrontation with Beto O'Rourke at that press conference on the Uvalde shooting cannot be ignored.
- Viktor Orban- Yes. The Deep State and their allies in Poland and Ukraine tried to oust him this year over his stances on the Ukraine war, but he survived. That alone makes him a top contender in my book.
- Kari Lake- Yes. She got played dirty by the GOP Establishment and quite possibly the Arizonan Department of State. She's one of my top choices for Trump's VP pick in 2024.
- Harriet Hageman- Yes, because of how significant of a figure her opponent was.
- Ron Johnson- No. His actions on January 6 show that he is nothing more than an opportunist, and that his recent "maverick" political moves likely were calculated and insincere.
- Marco Rubio- No. He's highly overrated and I personally believe he should be in prison for helping Obama decieve the world into believing he was arming moderate rebels in Libya and Syria.
- Mike Lawler- I don't know who he is, so I'll abstain.
- Giorgia Meloni- No. She almost immediately sold out to the Russophobic warmongers once elected, which is a disqualifier in my book.
- Kris Kobach- I don't know the details of his political comeback, so I'll abstain.
- Glenn Youngkin, Right now I'm leaning toward a no. Not only is he possibly challenging Trump in 2024 but he is also now facing allegations of collaborating with corrupt law enforcement officials to persecute conservative critics of his policies.
- Kyrsten Sinema- No. She's not going at the DNC hard like Tulsi Gabbard did when she left the party earlier this year. In fact, I would replace Sinema with Gabbard on this list.--Geopolitician (talk) 00:27, December 22, 2022 (EST)
LT's input
Ron Johnson? Sure, since his blunt style and streak of victory over the left leaves a good legacy for the conservative movement to emulate? "D.C. prisoners"? A hard no, because a) it's not even properly clarified specifically who (all of them, or some?), b) some probably are the violent criminals rather than peaceful protesters, and c) it's not a good example to hastily martyr loosely defined collectives simply because they are victims of one specific oppressor without analyzing the details of the individuals.
Justices Alito and Thomas? Sounds fair. Musk? No, as I've explained above in response to User:Conservative's similar criticisms of him. MacGregor? No, since he's a proponent of the great replacement hoax, which was invented by far-left progressives (conservationist Madison Grant and KKK Exalted Cyclops Lothrop Stoddard) and a prominent white supremacist canard. I even more strongly object to Orbán, since his horrendous demagoguery against "race-mixing" makes him sound more like a far-left Nazi (since, you know, National Socialists are on the political left) than any serious traditional right-winger. Racism is a form of socialism (since a "race" can be considered a social group), and therefore Orbán's racism technically means he's a socialist rather than a true right-winger.
Trump? No, since the large majority of his political activity this year reflects a desire to expediently boost his future prospects (essentially using the conservative movement to selfishly help himself) magnitudes more than representing a selfless devotion to the conservative movement. Greene? ...no, since she has a history of embarrassing gaffes sometimes to Biden levels, and thus is not an ideal figurehead for the movement.
Moody, Vance, Meloni, Kobach, Hageman, Lombardo, Rubio, and Lawler aren't notable merely for winning elections, IMO. For one, Moody and Rubio were basically guaranteed to win since Florida in general moved sharply to the right primarily due to DeSantis's coattails, and also because of drastically increasing pro-GOP shifts in Miami-Dade. —LT (Exodus 23:2) Thursday, 15:18, December 22, 2022 (EST)
- (edit conflict) Appreciate your candor. Please tell us what you really think! That's what makes this debate fun and enlightening. I don't pretend to have the answer, and we still have a few days.
- As feedback, I think the Supreme Court Justices are not populist enough in a populist year. Also, many of their rulings in favor of the Deep State and even deferring to the Fulton County prosecutor(!!) were harmful. Sen. Ron Johnson deserves more credit than he gets, and he hit all the right notes all year long.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 15:29, December 22, 2022 (EST)
- [EC] [EC] Whew, I'm very glad to hear that you're open to hearing my full honest thoughts, since you and I may have some strong differences in approaching the best way of advancing conservative values, especially whether populist appeals are compatible with conservatism itself (though ultimately, can strongly concur on the importance of preserving and advancing authentic conservative virtues). I still got a bit more to add on...
- Meloni is unfortunately entangled with controversies over neofascism, and given her questionable history and unclear alleged repudiation of past terrible statements (please do correct me if her more recent assertions are contrary to my summary), it's better to take her credentials with a grain of salt for the time being.
- D'Souza is a nice right-wing commentator, though at this point, his eager support for populist excesses may be more grounded in zealousness than wisdom. Abbott, maybe, since his tenure seems grounded in toughness, though it's debatable whether the strength of his gubernatorial decisions this year was due to political expediency as he faced a primary challenge from Allen West (that said, I'm only pointing this out because of possible reasons to doubt his authenticity based off what I heard earlier this year, since I myself didn't closely analyze his tenure nearly enough). —
LT(Exodus 23:2) Thursday, 15:39, December 22, 2022 (EST)
- The convoy protest crowd? I'm going to say no. I'm personally inclined to contend that, while the majority of it was peaceful and grounded in a reasonable reaction against Trudeau parafascism, there were nonetheless fringe extremists that had too much of a presence in the crowd and I'm not fully sure how much they were fully repudiated on the spot by the majority of presumed everyday, decent people. My larger concern deals with the theme of worldwide populist revolt against government that's turning towards a zealous, and often militant direction, which eerily parallels, if not actually is the manifestation of what's warned in 2 Thessalonians:
| “ | Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. | ” |
—2 Thessalonians 2:1–7 | ||
- Related to worldwide populist protests, this biblical analysis by On Point Preparedness is an absolute must-watch for every Christian concerned with contemporary chaos in relation to end times prophecy. (please pardon me for almost sounding too much like a generic YouTube clickbait ad, though I'm seriously not exaggerating the emphasized importance) —
LT(Exodus 23:2) Thursday, 15:48, December 22, 2022 (EST)
- Related to worldwide populist protests, this biblical analysis by On Point Preparedness is an absolute must-watch for every Christian concerned with contemporary chaos in relation to end times prophecy. (please pardon me for almost sounding too much like a generic YouTube clickbait ad, though I'm seriously not exaggerating the emphasized importance) —
- Kari Lake? She's following the hardline Trumpist style of stubborn, paramilitant (if not arguably militant), pararevolutionary, and ultrapopulist promulgation of blabbering blatherskite (yes, this term is a reference to a cartoon series). Maybe she's not nearly as bad-faith and fringe especially in comparison to party compatriots of the same populist stripe (the neo-Marxist left-wing efforts to tie her to "neo-Nazis" seems absolutely pathetic), and I personally don't care to object to her that much, though don't see much merit for her gaining even the runner-up, since she a) lost a race that could've been won on a more pragmatically-focused campaign, and b) almost seems to be following a Stacey Abrams–path of election trutherism, IMO. —
LT(Exodus 23:2) Thursday, 16:04, December 22, 2022 (EST)
- Kari Lake? She's following the hardline Trumpist style of stubborn, paramilitant (if not arguably militant), pararevolutionary, and ultrapopulist promulgation of blabbering blatherskite (yes, this term is a reference to a cartoon series). Maybe she's not nearly as bad-faith and fringe especially in comparison to party compatriots of the same populist stripe (the neo-Marxist left-wing efforts to tie her to "neo-Nazis" seems absolutely pathetic), and I personally don't care to object to her that much, though don't see much merit for her gaining even the runner-up, since she a) lost a race that could've been won on a more pragmatically-focused campaign, and b) almost seems to be following a Stacey Abrams–path of election trutherism, IMO. —
- Youngkin and Zeldin? Yes! Both are making substantial GOP inroads in blue states that the standard "mainstream Republican" (now the Trumpist type) would not be able to accomplish, and their coattails have helped U.S. House elections this year in securing key GOP flips; there were several GOP pickups in NY, and Youngkin Republican Jen Kiggans defeated establishment Democrat Elaine Luria this November in one of the key swing races. Their political style represent the practical future of the Republican Party, IMO. —
LT(Exodus 23:2) Thursday, 16:14, December 22, 2022 (EST)
- Youngkin and Zeldin? Yes! Both are making substantial GOP inroads in blue states that the standard "mainstream Republican" (now the Trumpist type) would not be able to accomplish, and their coattails have helped U.S. House elections this year in securing key GOP flips; there were several GOP pickups in NY, and Youngkin Republican Jen Kiggans defeated establishment Democrat Elaine Luria this November in one of the key swing races. Their political style represent the practical future of the Republican Party, IMO. —
- Rand Paul... I'm open to him being the runner-up, since he isn't heavily entrenched into the ultrapopulist MAGA wing, and reasonably opposes outrageous spending. Sinema? No, since she's not even a conservative, even if a few bucks from the Administration may be commendable. Mark Robinson? ...no, since he's often times embarrassing and is used by leftists as a strawman for their "right-wingers are bigoted" arguments. The Federalist Society? ...no, as explained below by Andy. —
LT(Exodus 23:2) Thursday, 16:27, December 22, 2022 (EST)
- Rand Paul... I'm open to him being the runner-up, since he isn't heavily entrenched into the ultrapopulist MAGA wing, and reasonably opposes outrageous spending. Sinema? No, since she's not even a conservative, even if a few bucks from the Administration may be commendable. Mark Robinson? ...no, since he's often times embarrassing and is used by leftists as a strawman for their "right-wingers are bigoted" arguments. The Federalist Society? ...no, as explained below by Andy. —
Supreme Court
I think that the 5 Supreme Court Justice who voted to strike down Roe v. Wade should be Conservative of the Year, rather than just Justice Alito, as Justice Alito alone could not have overturned Roe v. Wade. Also, the Supreme Court had other conservative victories such as on religious liberty and gun rights where the 5 justices sided with the conservative position.--TheNewRight (talk) 15:36, December 22, 2022 (EST)
- Great point, but the Supreme Court was so wrong on Deep State and politicized prosecutions that the Dems could undo all this good unless the High Court wakes up to this.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 16:02, December 22, 2022 (EST)
- Agreed. Furthermore, SCOTUS is not consistently applying judicial restraint to strike down Biden's socialist (and parafascist, since arguably its robbing from the working-class to help privileged students is akin to the Italian Fascist model of a welfare state benefiting the "fit") "student loan forgiveness" nonsense. IMO, SCOTUS can deserve this prestigious honor once they persistently apply judicial restraint, at least to the level that the pre-1937 Court did in shutting down New Deal fascism. —
LT(Exodus 23:2) Thursday, 16:09, December 22, 2022 (EST)
- Agreed. Furthermore, SCOTUS is not consistently applying judicial restraint to strike down Biden's socialist (and parafascist, since arguably its robbing from the working-class to help privileged students is akin to the Italian Fascist model of a welfare state benefiting the "fit") "student loan forgiveness" nonsense. IMO, SCOTUS can deserve this prestigious honor once they persistently apply judicial restraint, at least to the level that the pre-1937 Court did in shutting down New Deal fascism. —
Chip Roy
Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) is a Never-Trumper who has been AWOL on the all-important election integrity issues. Without fair elections, no amount of bluster matters.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 16:26, December 22, 2022 (EST)
- Personally, I don't see stances merely on Trump as what should be a prioritizing determinant for whether an individual merits the award. I'm open to differing opinions on this, and to reiterate a point above, I see Trump at this point as being too drowned in his own selfish personal ambitions and exploiting the conservative movement to help himself. While it may be reasonable to argue that Roy's opposition to Trump prior to 1/6/2021 were unreasonable, at this point, his distancing from Trumpism isn't unreasonable, IMO. Furthermore, the term "Never Trumper" in being applied to him may not be accurate, since during Trump's presidency he supported the strong conservative policies, from my understanding. Whether he truly never supported Trump is most likely debatable, though I admit that you are likely more knowledgeable about this focus in particular since you were an early original researcher into Cruzism.
- When it comes to election integrity, I see nowadays that most of its heavily outspoken purported proponents ride the fence of zealous trutherism or reach into that territory too far. While the issue is important, I personally don't think Roy should be heavily seen with suspicion on the mere grounds that he doesn't seem to emphasize election laws the same manner that mainline MAGA populists do. —
LT(Exodus 23:2) Thursday, 16:35, December 22, 2022 (EST)