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Russia news

Vladimir Putin says that inflation in Russia is making it 'practically impossible' for businesses to plan

• Vladimir Putin says that inflation in Russia is making it 'practically impossible' for businesses to plan, Business Insider, 2023

• Putin says Russia faces big economic challenges, must keep inflation in check, Reuters, August 2023

For more information, please see:

• Essay: Russia's economy will enter a long-term decline

• Essay: Why I am not bullish on Russia's future

• Essay: A Chinese economic collapse will be Russia's downfall

A lengthy war in Ukraine could be inflationary for Russia's economy. And it looks like the war in Ukraine could be lengthy (See: Essay: How long will the war in Ukraine last and what will its likely outcomes will be? A prediction on its outcomes). Conservative (talk) 12:28, September 13, 2023 (EDT)

Problems with inflation could be a big problem for Russia because many of its rural citizens have tight budgets and more limited job prospects. Conservative (talk) 12:37, September 13, 2023 (EDT)

You're only telling half the story from Business Insider:

Business Insider: "Western officials told the outlet that Russia is on track to manufacture two million artillery shells a year, which is twice as many as Western intelligence originally estimated it could make before the war...Russia, in fact, is now producing more ammunition than the US and Europe, with one senior Estonian defense ministry official telling The Times that Russia's current production is seven times that of the West."

If you are going to use Business Insider as a source, use its full context. Don't mix and match and cherry pick to come up with your preferred narrative. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 11:21, September 14, 2023 (EDT)

Will the Ruble be reduced to Rubble by Putin's Unjust War? Nears 1 Cent

Graph in the Link: "📉 The Ruble continues to fall at just over .01c USD. That’s about the same price as a single piece of paper! #RussiaisCollapsing #RussiaisLosing" https://twitter.com/GlobalTensions/status/1700290830592864747 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:04, September 13, 2023 (EDT)

Russia is not a member of the SWIFT network. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:23, September 13, 2023 (EDT)

Yeah, the west kicked them out of SWIFT over this war, so China happily stepped up to take our place. Now China has even more power. Great. So what next? Russia completely implodes, and becomes a vassal to China? --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 19:42, September 13, 2023 (EDT)

So given the fact that Ruble cannot even be legally traded in the West, User:Conservative and Nishant somwhow think this means it's fallen in value on Western currency exchanges. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:05, September 13, 2023 (EDT)

The most powerful military on the planet today is not about to implode; however, the Western financial system is in danger of imploding, if not merely being cut down to size. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:08, September 13, 2023 (EDT)

Let's make a simple, real simple, example: in the past, if Argentina wanted to buy Saudi oil, they had to buy US dollars first to make it happen. Now they don't. So that leaves a bunch of excess US dollars floating around the world out there somewhere, which eventually will return home and cause more inflation.

What compounds the problem is, the Congress keeps printing more money with Ukraine aid, disaster relief, covid relief, etc., dollars that nobody outside the US wants or needs.

We did this to ourselves, by threatening countries that if they don't adopt gay marriage, or don't acquiesce to the US overthrowing neighboring regimes like Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, etc. we'll sanction them, too. The rest of the planet is just fed up with US arrogant behavior and militarism. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:15, September 13, 2023 (EDT)

RobSmith, do Russians buy foreign goods? If so, would a lower-value rubble hurt Russians? Conservative (talk) 20:19, September 13, 2023 (EDT)

No, not really. Maybe a few rich people drive Porsches, but that's about it. The Russian economy is self-contained and self sufficient.

The US economy used to be self-contained and self-sufficient, but no longer; the US has an $875 billion annual trade deficit with China, meaning we export $875 billion a year in cash to our supposed enemies that could be used here to create jobs for homeless, etc. And what does China do with the $875 billion in capital they import from American consumers every year? Build a military! SHOCK! HORROR! Now we have to increase defense spending and taxes because Walmart consumers are helping to build the Chinese military! RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:29, September 13, 2023 (EDT)

The Russians are sitting pretty good. They're sitting on everything the rest of the world wants and needs, food, oil, gold, lumber, rare earths, fertilizers, etc etc etc. And they don't owe anybody anything. As you say, they have a small population, so they all could get pretty rich. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:33, September 13, 2023 (EDT)

The USA will have to decouple more and more from China due to the fact that their population is shrinking. You can't be the world's factory with worker shortages. Unless of course, robotics and AI are used. If this happens, then why would we need China? Just have the robots and AI in the USA to save shipping cost.

Secondly, the Chinese economy going down, which seems likely, will hurt Russia because Russia sells oil and gas to China. Conservative (talk) 20:43, September 13, 2023 (EDT)

Good. Read the section I wrote at Coronavirus#Decoupling, that now needs revising since Biden's election theft and the fascist War in Ukraine. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:47, September 13, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) Let me say this one more time, and I'll try to be fairly clear: I think what you fail to realize is that we are in a transitional period of the global economy. It's kinda like, say, the period of 1945-1949 or 1945-1952, after WWII & the Great Depression. Meaning, all the old charts and graphs, or other data, you use to make comparisons from an earlier period, or projections into the future, are meaningless, and useless. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:47, September 13, 2023 (EDT)

Now the global economy likewise had to go through a major transitional adjust period from about 1973-1976 after Nixon took the US off the gold standard. But that was a minor tweek of the Bretton Woods System compared to what is happening now with the rise of BRICS.

We are not just going through a period of economic adjustment, but of a global political transition, as well. And the economics will follow the political changes, not the other way around. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:57, September 13, 2023 (EDT)

I realize that the global economy is in transition. And I don't think authoritarian/corrupt regimes are in a good position to take advantage of the changes - especially if they are facing big and intractable (or very hard to solve) problems.

It will interesting to see how things pan out by 2030. Conservative (talk) 20:59, September 13, 2023 (EDT)

NYT today: "Russia has managed to overcome sanctions and export controls imposed by the West to expand its missile production beyond prewar levels, according to U.S., European and Ukrainian officials, leaving Ukraine especially vulnerable to intensified attacks in the coming months”. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:28, September 13, 2023 (EDT)

I think the true test will come when China's economy starts having bigger problems and orders less oil from Russia and this seems likely. See: Essay: A Chinese economic collapse will be Russia's downfall

Also, "China’s slumping economy is likely curbing many of its foreign policy ambitions and prompting a rethink of its policy toward the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Still, a systematic transformation of Beijing’s perspective on Ukraine or other key foreign policy matters is unlikely. Xi shares Moscow’s anti-Western hostility; demonstrates a very shaky grasp of economics, limiting his understanding of the scope of China’s domestic problems; and presides over a system that does not make major self-corrections easily. Xi may dial back China’s pro-Russia neutrality, but only reluctantly and partially."[2]

And traditionally, sanctions are tightened over time. Maybe Germany will wise up and reignite their nuclear energy industry. But to be honest, Germany is acting so irrationally, who knows what they are going to do next.

But maybe Europe will shift to the populist right politically and not be so keen about sanctions against Russia.

But after all is said and done, I really don't see Russia doing well long term. I doubt they will solve their significant problems such as their demographic crisis. Conservative (talk) 23:38, September 13, 2023 (EDT)

From today: Manufacturing Consent: The New York Times & the Media’s Anti-China Frenzy. Watch it. I have no clue why you wear so proudly on your sleeve, "I'm a propaganda stooge." I think it has something to do with your constant search for fortune tellers, sorcerers, and wizards that peep to give you some insight into the future. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 00:50, September 14, 2023 (EDT)

Update on Russia's supposed collapsing economy and Ukraine and Europe fueling the Russian war machine

"Gazprom supplies gas through Ukraine in a confirmed volume through the Sudzha station - 41.6 million cubic meters per day. Reuters; Tass.

User:Conservative: So let me understand this correctly: The corrupt Ukrainian regime, which only exists with US taxpayer support, is fueling Putin's evil war machine by getting paid to allow Russian gas to transit through pipelines on its territory for European customers who, under EU laws, are barred from purchasing it. Okay. Makes perfect sense now.

Sorry, but apparently facts get in the way of your regurgitated propaganda narratives. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 10:37, September 10, 2023 (EDT)

Maybe we can get Merrick Garland to enforce Russia sanctions law. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 10:46, September 10, 2023 (EDT)

UserConservative: So why did Biden cancel the ANWR leases? Cause he read your AP headline about how falling oil prices were hurting Putin's evil plans and figured the Russian war effort needed some help? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:10, September 10, 2023 (EDT)

Lauren Boebert, hypocritical disgrace

VIA CNN: – “It’s time for the media to ramp up its scrutiny of House Republicans for opening an impeachment inquiry based on lies,” Ian Sams, a spokesperson for the White House Counsel’s Office, wrote in the letter, which was first obtained by CNN." [1]

Well well, vaping and public disruption. So much for conservative values, eh? She marries a pervert, raises a teenage fornicator, ends up filing for divorce, and now this.

Remind you of anything? The Second KKK in the 1920s supported immigration restriction, working-class populism, "100 percent Americanism," patriotic nationalism, and "Christian morality," and on the last point turned out to be moral hypocrites when most notably their national leader, D. C. Stephenson, was convicted for the rape, torture, and murder of Madge Oberholtzer. Of course, the Second Klan, like the First, was a Masonic organization, so their religious appearance was a deceptive ruse the entire time in an effort to corrupt American Protestants, which proved effective when millions joined the KKK.

Speaking of which... How Norman Vincent Peale Taught Donald Trump to Worship Himself Peale was a 33-degree Freemason, but I'm sure this is a mere coincidence that means nothing, right? Right? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 11:49, September 15, 2023 (EDT)

This Boebert news ain't going on the Main Page. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:40, September 15, 2023 (EDT)

Look at your sources:

• NY Post: "appears"
• HuffPo
• Salon
• Denver Post

RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:46, September 15, 2023 (EDT)

I am in agreement now, after having read the devastating, horrific details from a qualified source, and not from the for-profit, partisan, gossip-mongers you posted. Yes indeed, she deserves to be drawn and quartered, and the remnants burnt at the stake. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:31, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

So the Boebert vid got 6.5M views, but Pakistani Muslims destroying a Christian church gets 3k views. Hmmm, what do you propose we do? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 10:40, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

The racist origins of the Bush/globalist establishment Republicans in the South

As we know, the establishment wing of the GOP lost in Texas in the vote on the Paxton Impeachment. Many of them probably were allies of Joe Straus, a former Speaker of the Texas House of Representatives and spokesperson for Moderate Republicans. And a fun fact: Straus's political beginnings began as a chauffeur to John Tower, a beneficiary of the so-called "Southern strategy" that elected Eisenhower-aligned, anti–civil rights Republicans to federal office, the first time some positions were held by Republicans since Reconstruction. While Tower was relatively moderate in his civil rights opposition and did vote against the Gore Amendment to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (which his liberal Democratic colleague Ralph Yarborough supported), most of his general civil rights record was negative enough to gain the Texas suburban white support.

Another key case is Rick Wilson, one of the crybaby losers on the Lincoln Project. LP accused Youngkin in 2021 of employing a "Southern strategy," yet Wilson years ago posted a picture of a neo-Confederate "The South Will Rise Again" flag.

The historical roots are worth researching and reading up on: the early anti–civil rights white Republicans in the South in fact were not the old-school conservatives, but aligned with Dwight Eisenhower, who in fact was not heavily concerned with civil rights but sought Dixiecrat support in swing states like Texas. The Old Right conservative faction of the Republican Party was supported by the biracial "black-and-tan" faction led by Perry W. Howard, II, most notably in the 1952 presidential election when the GOP delegations from the Southern and border states supported the pro–civil rights contender Robert A. Taft—Mississippi's, led by Howard, and Arkansas', led by Osro Cobb, were the main examples. And then during the Eisenhower presidency, the black-and-tans were tossed aside to appeal to the "progressive" lily-whites, exemplified most in the likes of moderate Republican and segregationist Joel T. Broyhill.

Now, some may wonder: aren't the modern-day populist faction of the Southern Republicans rooted in even more racism than the establishment types were? Yes and no—probably a minority element of the ultraconservative side were early participants in racist propaganda appeals, though the shift of the rural areas occurred decades later, and didn't solidify until the 2000s. Even in 1980, Reagan lost the Deep South vote to Jimmy Carter! —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 01:53, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

Desantis news

DeSantis Campaign: Strong Second in Iowa "Good Enough" - Politico News

"“He’s got to keep pushing the Florida story as it relates to Iowa — both states having become punching bags for the national media,” Kochel added. “I think he’s got to keep coming back to the state, keep making the pitch, ‘cause it’s a good stump speech.”

One national GOP operative supporting DeSantis and granted anonymity to discuss campaign strategy, said, “I think we’re going to win Iowa; I think it’s going to be a great victory that’s really going to catapult the race. But a close second still is going to have that same effect.”

So far Never Back Down officials say they have received commitments from more than 12,000 Iowans to caucus for DeSantis. The PAC has 21 staffers throughout the state, and has spent $5.5 million in TV ads. It plans to shell out nearly $30 million in ads, mailers and other forms of direct voter contact in Iowa and the early voting state of New Hampshire by Thanksgiving."

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/08/desantis-campaign-lowers-expectations-in-iowa-strong-second-good-enough-00114856 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 23:54, September 8, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, so they admit they can't win. Of course, only two out of a dozen ever make out of Iowa. Their only hope is Trump stumbles over his own feet, gets locked up or assassinated. Where's the news in this story? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 00:14, September 9, 2023 (EDT)

Many people think DeSantis has a Good Chance in Iowa, he's visiting all 99 Counties, and many State Evangelical Leaders support him, it just isn't make or break for him. I think DeSantis wins Iowa comfortably. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 00:43, September 9, 2023 (EDT)

Here's what they are doing: they know he won't finish first, so they are prepping supporters for the eventuality when he doesn't so they can still call it a victory.

A week ago it looked like Ramaswamy might become the 2nd place finisher. He's down now, but he can still get back up. The contest for No 2 finisher is between DeSantis and Ramaswamy, cause only 1 will survive Iowa.

RFK was down two weeks ago when they played the antisemite card. He's back up already. Who knows what's going to happen? Maybe Larry Sinclair will come out of the closet between Iowa and New Hampshire and say he had sex and smoked crack with DeSantis or Ramaswamy. You can't bank on anything. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 01:02, September 9, 2023 (EDT)

DeSantis' revives Tea Party style policies

“This government is spending way too much money. They've locked in the COVID-era levels of spending, which are totally unsustainable,” DeSantis said Friday during a Fox News interview when asked about the looming budget battle between congressional Republicans and President Biden. “They should absolutely have a big fight over righting that ship.”

DeSantis tried to expand the scope of that fight beyond just dollars and cents, arguing that conservatives can’t defeat the kind of big government policies they loathe without first starving the federal leviathan. “Part of the reason our bureaucracy is so out of control, and this deep state has developed like this,” he told Dana Perino, who will moderate the second GOP primary debate this month, “is because Congress has not been willing to use the power of the purse to discipline these agencies.”

This is comfortable ground for DeSantis.

He gave former House Speaker Paul Ryan fits over spending while in Congress, and he bucked Trump by voting against trillion-dollar budget deals. This could create a winning contrast between the governor, who has a record that fiscal conservatives like the Club for Growth adores, and the former president, who once described himself as “the king of debt” and who left behind a nearly $8 trillion tab for taxpayers." https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2023/09/08/drawing_contrast_with_trump_desantis_gives_it_the_ol_tea_party_try__149733.html

Face it. DeSantis can't win on his own merit. He can only win as the default candidate after somebody comes up with a photo of Trump and Prince Albert with a 13-year-old girl, they lock Trump up, or the CIA takes him out. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 01:07, September 9, 2023 (EDT)

Lol. Laughable. I work in Investment Banking, and when recruiting we look at contrasting resumes between applicants. Here, look at the Presidential Resumes, T: "I raised the Debt by 8 Trillion Dollars", DeS: "I ran Record Budget Surpluses in Florida". I'm amazed some say they are Fiscal Conservatives but then support Trump over DeSantis after knowing that. This is devolving into a personality cult. Trump did some good things and some bad things, it's time to move on and turn the page on Donald Trump. President De Santis will pardon him, he can comfortably retire and enjoy his life, but Governor De Santis is the Best Man with the Best Conservative Record, not only Conservative Pro-Life and Conservative Anti-Woke and Anti-Covid-lockdowns etc record, but also clearly the Best Fiscal Record. Records speak for themselves. In this case, you're the interviewer, and you're hiring the next President. Choose carefully and wisely based on the resume. 02:10, September 9, 2023 (EDT)

Look at the polling. The Undecideds aren't enough to close the gap between Trump and DeSantis. It's not even a contest. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 11:33, September 9, 2023 (EDT)

Reminder: DeSantis is estimated to have 45% Chances of winning the Presidential Nomination

"Lowry: So you’re like 50 percent on Trump’s chances now?

Rothman: I think he’s 45 percent. I’ve said I take the field, and I still take the field.

Lowry: That’s bold. MBD?

Michael Brendan Dougherty: I’m totally with Noah. I think DeSantis is either 40 or 45 percent for the nomination."

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/does-desantis-have-a-45-percent-chance-of-winning-the-republican-nomination/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 02:14, September 9, 2023 (EDT)

The Democrats are determined to take Trump out, one way or another. By his own account, Trump couldn't stop the Deep State when he was president in 2020. Perhaps dropping out of the race will be part of his plea deal. If that doesn't work, well, Epstein's suicide was practice. I don't know what's going to happen to Trump, but I don't see a happy ending if he keeps running for president. PeterKa (talk) 07:57, September 9, 2023 (EDT)

When a political party starts acting psychopathic (Tramples on the rights of others, domineering, arrogant, pathological lying, etc.) they have to be confronted via the rule of law and there needs to be a political realignment so they wind up in the political wilderness due to lack of votes.

So the GOP has to grow a spine via the rule of law and the Democrats need to keep bleeding voters. If they bleed enough voters the Democrats will either change or be replaced by another political party.

You can call this a "political intervention". It's like an intervention with an addict. Unfortunately, the Democrats are currently addicted to tyranny and immorality (late-term abortions, stirring up racial strife, incentivizing single motherhood, defunding the police, promoting sexual perversion, etc.). Maybe conservative Hispanic voters and conservative Christians will play a big role in this political intervention. Conservative (talk) 08:18, September 9, 2023 (EDT)

Agreed. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 08:20, September 9, 2023 (EDT)

The GOP is at war with itself - between its neocon fascist establishment leadership and its populist MAGA/Tea Party base. And the base is wising up. They're not giving a blank check to neo-fascist RINO warmongers anymore. Brand loyalty is dying, and hopefully by the primaries it'll be dead. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 11:39, September 9, 2023 (EDT)

Reminder: Trump statistically tied with DeSantis in hypothetical Iowa head-to-head matchup with DeSantis

"The Public Opinion Strategies poll also found DeSantis closing the gap against Trump in a head-to-head matchup, with DeSantis having 40% support to Trump's 43% post-debate.

Pre-debate, DeSantis largely trailed with 34% compared to Trump's 51%."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/iowa-poll-shows-desantis-closing-gap-trump-after-first-republican-debate NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 02:15, September 9, 2023 (EDT)

Trump Blasts DeSantis, Says He ‘Sided With the Communists in China’

Geez, I don't know how DeSantis can ever live this one down. [3]

See, when you make stupid, unfounded claims about your opponent or target, be wary of the boomerang effect. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 16:05, September 10, 2023 (EDT)

Never Back Down tweets on DeSantis

"While Trump sits behind glass box seats at the Iowa-Iowa State football game, Ron DeSantis and Kim Reynolds watch the game with @CarsonKing2 and fans" https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1700598774849282117

"Is this why @realDonaldTrump left Iowa early? Again? [Image in the link of huge DeSantis 2024 banner at the game] https://twitter.com/NvrBackDown24/status/1700651544033526189

"Iowa ❤️‘s @RonDeSantis" [Video in the link] https://twitter.com/Kelly_Kundinger/status/1700674859099897893 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:43, September 10, 2023 (EDT)

Reports I read say something quite the opposite. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:50, September 10, 2023 (EDT)

‘You Lost Me’: Iowa Republicans Tell MSNBC Trump Has ‘Too Much Baggage’ – DeSantis, Others Can Still Catch Him

"MSNBC’s Allie Raffa was in Iowa on Saturday and spoke to GOP voters as the 2024 Republican presidential candidates converged on the state in hopes of wooing primary support.

Donald Trump has strong support in the state but it is not absolute, as was noticeable in his arrival at a college football game on Saturday. Raffa spoke to Republican voters supporting other primary candidates such as Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, and told host Yasmin Vossoughian on Saturday that those Iowans believe Trump can be caught in the primary race.

“We spoke with quite a few Iowa Republican voters before they all started sort of flocking to the stadium here for this game,” said Raffa. “And sort of the gist we got from voters on the ground here, the majority of them had told us that they see potential in other GOP candidates besides Trump.” https://www.mediaite.com/tv/you-lost-me-iowa-republicans-tell-msnbc-trump-has-too-much-baggage-desantis-others-can-still-catch-him/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 06:55, September 11, 2023 (EDT)

Continued: "Raffa then showed clips from two of those interviews. The first, with a woman who voted for Trump twice but said that he lost her vote because he is unable to admit when he is wrong, and that his legal issues are a big problem for a potential president. She is instead going to caucus for DeSantis, who actually brings “tangible plans” to the table, she told Raffa.

“I feel that he has too much baggage with his legal battles. And as our country is facing a lot of problems, we need to unify. And I feel like with him, there’s going to be a lot of fighting. He never even once said, you know, ‘yes, I did wrong. Yes, maybe I could have done this better.’ It was always, no, I never did anything wrong. I’m always right. And that to me was like, I’m sorry you lost me.” NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 07:36, September 11, 2023 (EDT)

MSNBC. Wow. Now that's news. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 10:02, September 11, 2023 (EDT)

Gov DeSantis statement on 9/11

Gov De Santis:

"As President, I will demand from each agency that they provide a detailed justification for every remaining redaction, and decide, in the interests of transparency, whether the public interest outweighs any potential harm in disclosure before making declassification and public release decisions. I will end the federal government's decades-long abuse of the classification system and will strive to be the most transparent administration in U.S. history.

“Finally, I join in support of the Ensuring Justice for Victims of Terrorism Act introduced in Congress to close loopholes that prevent victims' families from holding foreign sponsors of terrorism accountable. I supported the Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act in Congress, which was a crucial step forward. The Ensuring Justice for Victims of Terrorism Act will help realize its full intent so the families can get justice and answers.

“We have shown in Florida that we can rise to the occasion to provide those who lost their lives on 9/11 the respect they deserve. I was proud to sign a measure into law in Florida earlier this year that designates September 11 as “9/11 Heroes’ Day” and requires history education regarding the significance of that day, including remembering the sacrifice of military personnel, government employees, civilians, and emergency responders who were killed, wounded, or suffered sickness due to the terrorist attacks.

“The pain of 9/11 endures for these families and all of us who remember that day, and its history must be taught for generations to come. Our work is not done until we have fully brought to light all the details surrounding the attacks, and those responsible are held accountable. I will not rest until both are fully achieved. We Must Never Forget.”

https://rondesantis.com/press-releases/ron-desantis-statement-on-meeting-with-9-11-families/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:54, September 11, 2023 (EDT)

DeSantis Fabricated GOP Debate Story About Meeting an “Angel Mom”, Falsely Claims Gold Star Mother’s Son Died From Taking Drugs Laced With Fentanyl

[4] RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:48, September 12, 2023 (EDT)

Laura Loomer. Bwahahahaha. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 20:14, September 12, 2023 (EDT)

Boom! An Amazing 70+ Faith Leaders endorse Pro-Life Governor Ron De Santis - gonna have a HUGE Impact on the Polls

"Source: https://dailycaller.com/2023/09/14/exclusive-desantis-faith-leaders-early-states/ EXCLUSIVE: DeSantis To Announce Endorsements From Over 70 Faith Leaders In Early States

“As a husband and father, Ron DeSantis is a man of faith and as a leader, he’s shown his resolve in defending religious liberty. I am excited to join this Faith and Family coalition and support Ron DeSantis for president because I know he will execute the same strong leadership in the White House as he’s done in Florida: protecting life, defending our right to worship, and defending religious liberties,” Pastor and Iowa State Rep. Jon Dunwell said in a statement.

Here Is A [Partial] List Of Endorsements:

Iowa Dale Akkerman, Development Director at Timothy Christian School (Grundy) Pastor Bryan Anderson, Tabernacle Baptist Church (Lyon) Pastor Gary Axtell, Grace Baptist Church (Madison) Kathleen Banowetz, Head of Prayer Team (Linn) Pastor Joseph Brown, Marion Avenue Baptist Church (Washington) Pastor David Bush, Fit for the King Ministry (Polk) Pastor Mark Cannon, Hope Baptist Church (Scott) Pastor Brad Cranston, Iowa Baptists for Biblical Values (Des Moines) Pastor Rick David (Linn) Pastor Mark Doland, Church of Christ (Tama) Gwendy Doland, Youth and Women’s Small Group Leader at New Hope Christian Church (Tama) Pastor & Representative Jon Dunwell (Jasper) Pastor Kirk Evans, Indianola Church of Christ (Warren) Pastor Lance Fricke, Triumphant Church (Buchanan) Janice Fricke, Triumphant Church (Buchanan) Evangelist Caleb Garraway, Remnant Ministries (Washington) Senator Jesse Green, Bible Class Teacher at Trinity Lutheran (Boone) Pastor Michael Griswold, Marion Avenue Baptist Church (Washington) Minister Matthew Haynie, Ogden Church of Christ (Boone) Pastor Jessten Heimer, Trinity Lutheran Church and School (Boone) Pastor Jeremy Higgins, Calvary Community Church (Linn) Brooke Higgins, Women’s Ministry Teacher at Calvary Community Church (Linn) Pastor Abe Koehn, Marion Avenue Baptist Church (Washington) Tom Law, Calvary Community Church (Linn) Pastor Matt Magee, Oak Grove Church (Benton) Pastor Ed Matthews, Bible Baptist Church (Wapello) Pastor Harerimana Nshoreyingabo, Redeemed Fellowship Center (Polk) Pastor Alfonso Perez, Miracle Life Family Church (Polk) Pastor Marcial Perez, New Dawn Ministries (Polk) Pastor Terry Pollard, Eastside Church of Nazarene (Polk) Sean Sanford, Youth Leader and Small Group Leader (Linn) Pastor Joyce Schmidt, St. Olaf Lutheran Church (Humboldt) Pastor Scott Sokol (Hancock) Pastor John Vermeer, Doon United Reformed Church (Lyon) Matt Wells, Lay Leader at Marion Avenue Baptist Church (Washington) Reverend Shane Wilson, Iglesia Espiritu y Verdad (Polk) ... NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:54, September 14, 2023 (EDT)

Ron DeSantis trails Donald Trump by 50 points in latest Quinnipiac national poll:

—LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 16:56, September 14, 2023 (EDT)

Boom! DeSantis Drops to Fourth Place in South Carolina

[5] RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:44, September 14, 2023 (EDT)

Boom! DeSantis Skips Work on His Birthday To Fundraise With Mitt Romney and Bush Family Political Donors

[6] RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:55, September 15, 2023 (EDT)

DeSantis calls out the Left's Attacks on Religious Liberty

DeSantis calls out the Left's attacks on religious liberty: "The minute you get outside that church they think you need to bow down and bend the knee to their agenda. That's not religious freedom. That is not what our founding fathers fought for and established."

[Video in the link] https://twitter.com/NvrBackDown24/status/1702781306986176948 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:39, September 15, 2023 (EDT)

Why Ron Desantis? His Conservative Accomplishments

From: https://twitter.com/derekeclipse55/status/1702897800244044242

Here’s A Small List Of A Couple Accomplishments: -Graduated Yale University and Harvard University

-Joined US Navy In 2004

-Was Promoted To Lieutenant Before Serving As Legal Advisor To Seal Team One

-Was Stationed At Joint Task Force Guantanamo In 2006

-Deployed To Iraq In 2007

-Us Attorney General Appointed Desantis To Serve As Special Assistant US Attorney At US Attorney’s Office In Middle District Of Florida When He Returned

-Elected To Congress In 2012 And Reelected In 2014 And 2016

-Became A Founding Member Of Freedom Caucus

-Highest Ever K-12 Public School Funding With $21.8 Billion In State/Local Funding

-Created Family Empowerment Scholarship Program

-Invested Over $147 Million In Funding For The Gardiner Scholarship

-Secured Over $625 Million For Everglades Restoration And Protection Of Vital Water Resources

-Created Blue-Green Algae Task Force

-Established Office Of Environmental Accountability And Transparency And Office Of Resilience And Coastal Protection

-Worked To Develop Plan For Safe And Affordable Importation Of Prescription Drugs From Canada

-Signed Patient Savings Act Into Law

-In 2022, Unemployment Continued To Decline, Dropping To 2.6% - The Lowest Among The Nation’s 10 Large States, And 1.1% Lower Than The Nation’s

-Exceeded National Job Growth Rate For 20th Consecutive Month In November, 2022

-Following The Pandemic, Desantis Oversaw Economic Growth And Record Budget Surplus In State

-Encouraged Parental Rights In Education Act, In Which Signed Into Law"

[among many others - NX]NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 21:10, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

NishantXavier, please: don't in every single Main Page talk post lazily paste a long text block. At the very least, if you don't want to summarize the main points, kindly put the copy/pasted text under <small></small> so less space is taken up, seeing that you especially are plastering content written not by you. Also, that long string of text isn't formatted properly in the context of how the end result is "intended" to be structured, seeing that Twitter text format differs greatly from wiki code. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 21:19, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

Yah, and the "Graduated Yale University and Harvard University-Joined US Navy In 2004-Was Promoted...etc" belongs in the Template/Officeholder on his bio page, not here. And if it's already in his bio page, we especially don't need it here. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 21:36, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

As much as I vociferously oppose with you on other issues, I concur on this very specific point. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 22:01, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

You need to separate the two hats I wear - three actually. (1) An Administrator and Moderator of the site; (2) a content contributor; (3) a user who sometimes expresses personal opinions and points of view in discussions. It's not always easy to separate functions, but comes with practice. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:33, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

I've corrected the formatting. This is Conservapedia and Governor Ron DeSantis' Conservative Accomplishments are highly relevant to whether he is a True Conservative or not (as some allege/claim that he isn't), and to current events given this is primary season. I've spoken of some of these accomplishments of his myself, and some of them are compiled by others, in which case I always credit the source. Don't shoot the messenger, if you think he doesn't have some of these accomplishments, name them, and name the Conservative Candidate you think is better. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 21:38, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

The problem isn't in the generic fact that you're covering issues. The problem is how you do it; you are spamming long quotes by other people instead of at least summarizing and condensing it in your own words. I'm just politely asking that you refrain from the habit of copy/pasting long text blocks that repetitively; it may be easy and saves time, though it's objectively a mediocre habit for a conservative wiki. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 22:01, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

Accomplishments are accomplishments. They are brute facts, and I have summarized it in my own words before, DeSantis running Record Budget Surpluses for e.g. It's why some Conservative Groups give him a near 100% Conservative Rating based on his Record. And I even put it in small tags now that you asked. Now, no more distractions to meaningless things; talk about the issues, or I'm out. God Bless. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 22:07, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

Alright, I appreciate it, NishantXavier. It's not that there's anything wrong with pointing out facts; it's better to avoid taking up excessive space with directly pasted quotes. On the issue of DeSantis's record, yes, I agree that he has a solidly conservative slate of accomplishments. His record on racial issues is solid as well, as he's not afraid to dismantle the racist woke agenda, and he's signed legislation to punish antisemitic paramilitary anarchist groups. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 22:19, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

Accomplishments go in the bio article. However, I would issue a caveat against campaign promises, or at least do it selectively. They tend to boomerang in a couple of years. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:36, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

Yes, he's a very Pro-Israel Governor too. He'll be a Good President imo. Let's see how it goes. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 22:30, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

About the issue of Israel, I'm increasingly skeptical of the Zionist side. While the anti-Zionist is filled with all sorts of socialist antisemites like neo-Nazis and like-minded ultrawoke college students rallying behind Palestinian national liberation movements, that doesn't mean the pro-Israel side is quite innocent. According to Prof. Walter J. Veith, Benjamin Netanyahu is a high-ranking Freemason. It appears that the creation of the modern state of Israel is all part of a deception game concurrent with Futurist theology created by Jesuit propagandist Francisco Ribera in an active scheme to subvert Protestants away from Historicist eschatology that implicated the Papacy as the Antichrist or Whore of Babylon. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 22:34, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

Recommendation: Start the Ron DeSantis 2024 presidential campaign page. You can be the page manager right through the presential transition. If you need help, look at some previous successful and unsuccessful candidate's pages as a model. You can add all the daily stuff you find there rather than here (try to edit it down somewhat, cause the more successful he becomes the more space you'll have to edit and reclaim later).

And if the FBI starts spying on his campaign to sabotage it, you'll have a contemporaneous record to work with (the Obama DOJ-NSD even began plotting to sabotage Trump a month before he came down the escalator to announce his candidacy in June 2015). RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:48, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

I'm barely interested in the Republican presidential campaigns. The candidates are either corrupt establishment-owned globalist shills or antichrists. At the end of the day, the thesis/antithesis deception is only further perpetuated. If a globalist wins, the intent is to continue sowing misery and anger so eventually the populist "antithesis" rides the wave of backlash to political power. If Trump wins in 2024, perhaps we're closer to the end than I anticipated. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 22:50, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

Oh no, I was talking to Nishant. He should be CP's point man on covering DeSantis, however long DeSantis lasts, through the primaries, up to the convention, up to the general election and into the transition. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:54, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

Ok, Rob, I took your suggestion. The page is up: https://www.conservapedia.com/Ron_DeSantis_2024_presidential_campaign I only highlighted two unique accomplishments for now, (1) 6 week Heartbeat Bill, (2) Record of Military Service. I will add more as the Campaign goes on.

A Christian Conservative who really lives his Faith can be trusted with decency, honesty, integrity etc. DeSantis is that. That's my opinion. We will see. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 23:12, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

A reminder of where Polls were roughly a year ago

From Politico, in Nov 2022: "According to the polling memo, which is based on survey data conducted Nov. 11-13, DeSantis leads Trump by 11 percentage points in Iowa and by 15 points in New Hampshire. Those numbers represent an improvement for DeSantis since August, when previous Club for Growth’s polling found Trump with a 15-point lead in Iowa, while the two were tied in New Hampshire.

The memo also says that DeSantis leads Trump by 26 points in Florida and 20 points in Georgia. In August, DeSantis led Trump by 7 percent in Florida and 6 percent in Georgia. The polls, conducted by Republican firm WPA Intelligence, surveyed likely GOP voters."

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/14/club-for-growth-steps-trump-relaunch-desantis-00066820

Polls change. Character and Integrity do not change. Records, like Pro-Life and Anti-Woke and Budget/Fiscal Records, do not change. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King}

Yeah, DeSantis is much more pro-life than Trump is. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 22:19, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

Agreed. 6 week Abortion Heartbeat Bill, for e.g. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 22:29, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

Yeah, DeSantis was fierce in his advocacy for unborn children. Shame to see the Republicans less solidly prioritizing of the pro-life issue under Trump—at a Republican convention (in Florida, I believe) several years back, most participants in a poll considered immigration far more important, with a very low percentage ranking abortion as a priority issue to emphasize. The socialist wing of the party under Trump is too busy appeasing ethnonationalists than fighting for the right to life. Trump says the abortion issue should be downplayed to win votes. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 22:37, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

Yes. "If Abortion is not Wrong, Nothing is Wrong" ~ St. Mother Theresa of Calcutta. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 23:15, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

Otherwise-solid Candace Owens mistakenly says: "Resume doesn't mean anything" (about DeSantis). It does

Candace Owens, who is otherwise solid, implicitly acknowledging DeSantis has a Great Resume, says an "it factor", and "working a crowd" are allegedly more important than having a Great Record and actual Conservative Governance. While I disagree, it still gives a fascinating insight into the thinking of the average Trump voter. The person below thinks, and I agree, more and more will gravitate to DeSantis in the next few months. From: https://twitter.com/Unfilteredboss1/status/1703236752146874532

[Video in the link]

"PBD: DeSantis has an incredible resume.

Owens: Resume doesn't mean anything. You gotta have the it factor and know how to work a crowd.

So much to unpack here. First of all if working a crowd is more important to voters than an actual incredible and flawless resume, then our country is truly in trouble. Secondly, 2023 Trump is not 2015 Trump. He is a shell of himself. A low energy, bitter old man with declining mental health who can't stop talking about the past.

Lastly, what makes DeSantis exceptional is his work ethic, his uncompromising resolve, and his intense discipline and devotion to the mission. In times like these, that is what Americans will gravitate to." NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 09:28, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

Election news (if you can believe any of it)

2016: "Trump works for Putin"; 2020: "Biden on the take from Ukraine is a lie".

Heads up: Biden junta appoints Clapper & Brennan of Russiagate hoax & Laptop from Hell fame to new 'Homeland Intelligence Experts Group' in advance of the 2024 elections. [7]

We'll be watching closely any and all MSM election-related news on this page between now & November 2024. Thanks. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:51, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

Remember: It's not just what and how the MSM reports, it's more often what they fail to report. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:23, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

GOP candidates scramble to stay on the debate stage

GOP stage may be down to 4 Candidates by 3rd Debate: DeSantis, Haley, Pence, Ramaswamy.

""A 5 percent threshold for the yet-to-be-announced future debates, for instance, would imperil both Scott and Christie." NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:30, September 14, 2023 (EDT)

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/14/gop-debate-stage-losers-00115971 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:30, September 14, 2023 (EDT)

...so at the end of the day, the infighting will cost all of them the nomination, which goes to the oversized tangerine of Mar-a-Lago. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 21:44, September 14, 2023 (EDT)

Dave Rubin with 1.4 MN Followers: Trumps endless lies are catching up to him

A DeSantis revolution is likely beginning on Twitter. Here is Dave Rubin: "The great work of @megynkelly exposed three things:

Trumps endless lies are catching up to him.

People are becoming less afraid to call him out.

His pundit cheerleaders who are all silent today are frauds.

Patience, everyone!" https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1702415508711084312 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 20:30, September 14, 2023 (EDT)

This is the gay married guy, isn't it? Yah, that's credible on the subject of honesty. Somebody who lies to himself on what marriages is. Sounds like a typical DeSantis supporter. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:36, September 14, 2023 (EDT)

!.4 mn followers, huh? Then you wonder why the planet and the conservative movement are so screwed up. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:39, September 14, 2023 (EDT)

Meanwhile, you're a shill for Commuputinism. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 21:43, September 14, 2023 (EDT)

Meanwhile, you're the only one who knows what you're talking about. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:13, September 14, 2023 (EDT)

DeSantis and Trump on Covid Vaccines

"“Donald Trump, he’s basically saying he did everything was right. And I think that means you should understand he would do the same thing all over again, if put in that position, and that would be disastrous for our country,” DeSantis said.

On the campaign trail, DeSantis has regularly criticized Trump for elevating Fauci during the pandemic, calling the presidential commendation award a “gut punch” and arguing he should have been fired.

“Clearly, Dr. Fauci should have been fired. He caused a lot of damage. And not only was he not fired, Donald Trump gave Fauci a presidential commendation, on January 19, 2021, his last day in office,” DeSantis said at an event in Coralville, Iowa in August. “I think that that was a gut punch.”

DeSantis’ administration on Wednesday advised people younger than 65 against getting the new Covid-19 shots from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna, contradicting federal health officials’ guidance."

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/14/politics/desantis-trump-fauci-commendation-covid/index.html NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 07:45, September 15, 2023 (EDT)

Megyn Kelly and Trump - Interview

https://youtu.be/cJn0c7J9cjA NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:54, September 15, 2023 (EDT)

It's already posted on MPR. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:21, September 15, 2023 (EDT)

Perhaps you have difficulty understanding CP's editorial stance: CP is in the pro-Trump camp, as of now. The DeSantis news (or Vivek or Nikki) doesn't really make it to MPR, unless it's real bad. It's open season on Pence.

Now, that's not to say CP's position can't change, barring assassination or some other such circumstance. But spamming this page with the latest DeSantis news, most of which is poorly written propaganda, isn't really going to persuade anyone right now. It's best keeping at the Community Portal, should anything worthwhile or of interest occur. Thanks. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:26, September 15, 2023 (EDT)

Yes, I'm aware the editorial stance of the site is pro-Trump. But new information is coming to light every day, including for e.g. DeSantis' and Trump's contrasting answers on the Woke Trans Issue in that Megyn Kelly interview. Many people who were pro-Cruz last time around in the primary became pro-Trump in the general, and I think something similar will happen this time. Wait and watch. Only this time, I daresay the consensus would be around DeSantis. People will read and watch these interviews and statements of the Candidates and make up their minds. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:39, September 15, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, ok. If you feel the transgender issue is so important, please read this article and tell me what you think. Trans psycho threatens to murder critics of Ukraine war. Here's the clip (40 sec). RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:26, September 15, 2023 (EDT)

Well, Anti-Woke Conservatives are not responsible for whatever one psychopath says. There was that Trans Terrorist who murdered Christian Children. Does that mean we Anti-Woke Conservatives are in favor of that? Of course not. We are opposed to Child Genital Mutilation. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 06:35, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

Yes they are. They are paying Sarah Ashton-Cirillo's salary (as well as the terrorist assassins of the Ukrainian Security Service. Failing to speak out is moral cowardice. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 13:47, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

Who is failing to speak out? I already condemned that one extremist. Why do you refuse to condemn Putin's extremism that, at the height of the War, caused around 10 MN Ukrainians to suffer displacement from their homes, both within and outside Ukraine? Since most Ukrainians are Christians (around 90%) Putin is responsible for more Christians having to flee their homes these past 1.5 years than just about anyone. If you think that dubious distinction is worth something or worth celebrating, like his new found dubious distinction of celebrating North Korea, the #1 Nation in the Persecution of Christians according to Open Doors, go for it. I stand with traditional Raeganite Peace through Strength. You were once strong on the CCP, Rob, but you've been slipping on that too sadly. Let Putin leave Ukraine and end the War. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 14:45, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

Don't think I'm ignoring you or don't have an answer for your list of concerns. I'm presently looking right now for video clip of a woman/girl in Ukraine who was interrogated by the Ukrainian gestapo because all the contacts on her phone had their numbers changed and forwarded to Russia. Russia has accepted more Ukrainian refugees than any country in the world. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:35, September 16, 2023 (EDT)

Reminder: Trump PAC has spent more than $ 100 MN since Last Year including on Legal Fees

Seems like a waste of his donors' money. Can this really be sustained? Doubtful.

"Former President Donald J. Trump’s political action committee, which began last year with $105 million, now has less than $4 million left in its account after paying tens of millions of dollars in legal fees for Mr. Trump and his associates."

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/31/us/politics/trump-pac-filing.html NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 00:01, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

A $100 million is nothing. To put on a Trump rally is about $10 million. That's how Trump campaigns and spends his money. No other candidate really does that. And he puts on more than 10 rallies a year. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 00:16, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

Trump: DeSantis 6 week Abortion Heartbeat Bill - an objective Conservative Victory - allegedly "a terrible mistake"

What say you, Trump supporters? Still think the man who once described himself as "pro-choice in every respect" doesn't retain some residuals of his earlier pro-choice position? Frankly, he's mistaken. DeSantis didn't make "a terrible mistake". Trump just did.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1703412453839622374 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 10:47, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

With the Dobbs decision, abortion is no longer a federal issue. For a guy running for governor of Florida? Yes, it is a campaign issue; for a guy running for president? No, it is not.

Nice try, though. Voters are confused enough without us adding to their confusion. Our task is untangle that confusion. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 10:56, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

Abortion in the military is a remaining federal issue; now the movement to abolish capital punishment in the states has gained traction, but not in the federal government. There is somewhat of a parallel there. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 11:20, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

Trump is selling Pro-Lifers out. I doubt this will play well in Iowa which, like Florida, has a 6 week bill: "if a heartbeat is detected, the baby is protected". HeartBeat Bills have saved countless lives. It's the duty of a Pro-Life President at least to express moral support for such Pro-Life Bills and approve, commend and praise them, as a President DeSantis will do, but Trump did not. I know some Pro-Lifers who are calling this disqualifying, including former Trump supporters. Bad. At a minimum, a 15 week federal abortion ban and encouragement of 6 week abortion bans at the state level can and should be rightly expected from a so-called Pro-Life President. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 11:22, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

The law as it exists now is, a woman in a state with strict abortion laws can join the military and get a free, taxpayer funded abortion. This more an issue at the Congressional level. That's what we need to focus on educating voters about. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 11:24, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

Here's the danger: if we try to give the impression that voting for president makes a difference or solves the problems in abortion, essentially telling people to ignore who's running for state house or state senate cause the President will take care of the problem, that backfires - as it did for 50 years.

We finally got SCOTUS stacked to overturn Roe v. Wade; the rules of the game have changed. Now we need a focus on state and federal legislators, not the Executive so much as has been the habit for 50 years. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 11:31, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

If you want to thank anyone for overturning Roe v. Wade, thank liberal communist Democrat scumbag Leader Harry Reid. He's the guy who changed the rules in the Senate to appoint federal judges with a simple 51 vote majority. That untangled the Gordian Knot that existed for half a century. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 11:36, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

It was an historical fluke that made it possible, and Glitch McConnell - give him credit - he seized upon it. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 11:39, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

The problem with DeSantis remains: every indication is that he's part of the controlled opposition, the uniparty, a deep stater. And the more he tries, the more he gets exposed. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 11:48, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

IOWs, the Heart Beat bill issue at the Presidential level, is a deceptive, bogus issue.

There are way more important Presidential issues that need to be focused on, for example taxpayer-funded Nazis. Discussion of Heart Beat bills is a deliberate distraction from actual issues only a president can deal with. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 11:53, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

We need 2 Terms of a President DeSantis, he will undo all the damage done by Biden and Obama, and turn the Courts in a Conservative Direction, perhaps forever. That's how you win the Culture War once and for all, not drag it on for 50 years more. Then, there are other reforms needed at the federal and state level, and those can be done in time. I repeat: 15 week minimum at federal level, encouragement of 6 week Heartbeat Bills from the Presidential Pulpit. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 11:54, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

DeSantis is faithful to his Conservative Base. Trump sells out in order to be a people-pleaser and to get some more Dem chums/friends.NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 11:56, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

The culture wars are a bottom-up issue, fought out in each individual's heart. Not top down. (In this sense, LT has somewhat of a grasp). RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 11:58, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

The fact that the pro-life movement is resorting to federal legislation to further its ends (which are honorable by all means) demonstrates its failures at the individual level. They failed to bring the new generation into repentance and out of the pagan ritual of sacrificing children to Moloch, and then expect the federal government to step in and fix the cultural problem they bungled. Instead of sufficiently convincing everyday people in their daily lives that unborn children are valuable individual human lives, and having failed to raise children to be sufficiently conscientiously moral people, they start scrambling upon finding out that society is not as godly as they hoped.

What can I say at the end of the day? The foremost leaders failed—they ran ridiculously weak campaigns. Had they truly had the zeal to fight for unborn life, they would've continued, without apology and in righteous anger, compared abortion providers to KKK mobs and Nazis, as many have done. They would've continued to unconditionally castigate the pro-abortion movement as nothing more than a low-grade mob of occultist child-sacrificing bums no better than Nazis.

It is my opinion that the leaders of the "conservative movement" have failed the average, devoted moral, socially conservative Christian on purpose—they knew how incompetent they were, and failed on purpose because they serve a higher order that is not of God but of their father the devil. I already explained the thesis/antithesis deception to you guys; try figuring out the puzzle here! —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 12:10, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

Huh? "pro-life movement is resorting to federal legislation". Nishant is the only talking such stuff. I can't think of single legislator seriously pushing any federal legislation. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} See Nishant, you even got LT confused now. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:15, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

Alright, to my admission, perhaps I typed too quickly and shouldn't have added "federal" in there. My emphasis is that the pro-life movement is focusing heavily on legislative action to complete what they miserably failed. Now, will you at least address my at-large point as well instead of gleefully harping on a single mistake I made? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 12:17, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

Trump needs to give his heart to God. He needs contrition and humility and needs to say: "I'm sorry, Lord Jesus, I've sinned, by denying that Your unborn babies with beating hearts are human beings entitled to all human rights and legal protection".

Those with born again and regenerate hearts who know that Truth, and even some Secular Pro-Lifers who do, have every right to expect a Government as Good as the People, and a Pro-Life President who shares their Conservative Pro-Life Values, not "pro choice in every respect". NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 12:01, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

Yeah, Trump is too arrogant to confess his sins and obtain a genuine heart of righteousness. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 12:10, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

How do you know? Are you God? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:17, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." (Matthew 7:20) Also, if you have the spirit of prophecy, which is the testimony of Jesus (Rev. 19:10), you should be able to gradually see clearly the larger game here. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 12:19, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

Simon, I have somewhat to say unto you... Simon, by her fruits, knew what manner of woman she was. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:24, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

Ages of Supreme Court Justices: Conservative Justices nearing retirement, a 2 Term President could appoint 2 or 3, perhaps 4

Here are the ages of the Supreme Court Justice. Important to watch. Both Sotomayor and Roberts will cross 75 by 2032, Thomas and Alito 80.

"What are the ages of Supreme Court justices in 2023? From oldest to youngest, the ages of the current Supreme Court justices are:

Justice Thomas, 75 Justice Alito, 73 Justice Sotomayor, 69 Chief Justice Roberts, 68 Justice Kagan, 63 Justice Kavanaugh, 58 Justice Gorsuch, 55 Justice Jackson, 52 Justice Barrett, 51"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/02/10/how-many-justices-supreme-court-list-justices-2023/10796688002/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 11:59, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

It's not that easy. A president can't appoint who he wants. He can only appoint who the Senate will accept. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:21, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

Lila Rose's Response

"Pathetic and unacceptable.

Trump is actively attacking the very pro-life laws made possible by Roe’s overturning.

Heartbeat Laws have saved thousands of babies.

But Trump wants to compromise on babies’ lives so pro-abort Dems “like him.”

Trump should not be the GOP nominee." https://twitter.com/LilaGraceRose/status/1703508913377902820 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:29, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

Matt Walsh's Response

"An awful answer from a moral perspective. There is nothing terrible about stopping the satanic abortion industry from mass murdering human children.

Also stupid politically. There is no compromise on abortion that everyone will like. It’s delusional to think otherwise. And contrary to Trump’s claims, almost all Democrats are indeed extreme on this issue. You will be hard pressed to find more than maybe two or three on the national stage who don’t want abortion until birth or beyond.

You can’t win over Democrats by going squishy on this issue. Republicans have tried that brilliant strategy for decades and accomplished exactly nothing by it.

Defend life clearly and powerfully and unequivocally. That’s the only way." https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1703526579962343621 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:30, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

DeSantis is a conservative. Trump is a socialist.

The Hill: DeSantis’s campaign targets Trump over abortion comments

Good. Trump needs to be called out for abandoning the priority of human life. His mentality is just like that of "moderate Republicans" in the postbellum years who opposed Radical Republican support for civil rights, the classic "we can't emphasize these moral issues too much or we'll lose votes." And history is not kind to the Republican mavericks of Reconstruction who opposed the Civil Rights Bills, neither will it be to modern-day Republicans who abandon the issue of defending human life against child sacrifice to Moloch. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 09:19, September 18, 2023 (EDT)

Agreed. Trump is flip-flopping back to a Liberal Pro-Choice stance on Baby-Killing, the Greatest Moral Abomination of our time. Pro-Lifer Lila Rose is right, it's pathetic and unacceptable to say State Laws that have saved 1000s of babies lives are "a terrible thing/a terrible mistake". Abortion is "a terrible thing/a terrible mistake". Not Hearbeat Abortion bans that have rightly saved 1000s of babies lives.

"TRUMP FLIPS TO PRO-ABORTION, BETRAYS CONSERVATIVES 9/17/23 Trump said the Florida law protecting the unborn from abortion after 6 weeks was a "terrible thing." If Trump's view prevails on the Republican party, 17 pro-life state laws will be reversed...

and: "It's one thing if a Presidential candidate wants the ***Federal law*** to permit most abortions, but that's NOT Trump's position. Trump wants ALL state laws to permit the vast majority of abortions (93% of abortions happen before 14 weeks)..."

https://twitter.com/Chris__Iverson/status/1703497568540389878 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 10:43, September 18, 2023 (EDT)

Trump was once a "pro-choice" Democrat. (he was part of the Reform Party in 1999 though didn't seem to change his "pro-choice" stance until much later in 2011 or so) So yes, concurred, Trump is merely reverting to his old Democratic roots. I suppose that's the real party switch. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 10:47, September 18, 2023 (EDT)

Agreed. It's Pathetic Cowardice on his part. He is appeasing the Godless and increasingly Lawless Left, and spitting on many of his own MAGA Followers. I wonder if much of his base, especially Christian and Religious "Values Voters" like Evangelicals and Catholics, then Mormon and Jewish Conservatives etc will wake up and reject him for this liberal pro-choice stance of his. If Trump says this in the primary, we can only guess what he'd say in the general if he gets that far, then behind closed doors to his Dem Friends who he's bootlicking already. Trump is planning to sell out Pro-Lifers, Pro-Life Governors, Pro-Life States etc. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 11:24, September 18, 2023 (EDT)

Trump will probably be the one to sell this country to the Antichrist, I'd wager. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 11:32, September 18, 2023 (EDT)

Life Site News Response

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/dear-trump-abortion-isnt-a-business-deal-where-both-sides-have-valid-points/?utm_source=featured-news&utm_campaign=usa

"Live Action President Lila Rose called Trump’s position “pathetic” and “unacceptable.”

“Hey @realDonaldTrump, protecting human life at 5 or 6 weeks isn’t a ‘terrible thing’… it’s the right thing,” Students for Life of America President Kristan Hawkins wrote.

“Trump, after everything the left has done to him, still thinks that if he gives them a little baby murder they’ll like him,” Allie Beth Stuckey wrote. “This isn’t just evil, it is absolutely delusional. He fundamentally doesn’t get it.”

Abortion is the deliberate destruction of innocent human life. There can be no deal made with Democrats who reject this biological fact and moral truth." NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 13:07, September 18, 2023 (EDT)

DeSantis responds to Swampy McCarthy endorsing/supporting Trump

Does DeSantis, or some of his staff, read Conservapedia? We've discussed "DeSantis runs Budget Surpluses, Trump increased Debt by 7.8/7 Trillion Dollars" and now DeSantis mentions the same. Possibly a coincidence, or possibly not. Anyway, here is what DeSantis said:

"Kevin McCarthy says I’m a little different from Donald Trump. I agree.

In Florida, we run budget surpluses. We’ve paid down our debt. I’ve kept every one of my promises.

Meanwhile, McCarthy and Trump worked together to add $7 trillion — more debt than our country racked up in its first 200 years — to the debt in just four years. It’s understandable that the DC Establishment doesn’t want me to be president — and I wear that as a badge of honor."

https://twitter.com/RonDeSantis/status/1703845915625218142 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:18, September 18, 2023 (EDT)

DeSantis responds to Trump: don't claim to be Pro-Life

"“I don’t know how you can even make the claim that you’re pro-life if you’re criticizing states for enacting protections for babies that have heartbeats,” @RonDeSantis told @RadioIowa this afternoon. #iacaucus" https://twitter.com/okayhenderson/status/1703870909449191601NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:03, September 18, 2023 (EDT)

LifeNews and Catholic Vote respond: Trump will lose without the Catholic Vote

https://www.lifenews.com/2023/09/18/pro-life-leader-lila-rose-trump-should-not-be-the-gop-nominee/

"“Pathetic and unacceptable. Trump is actively attacking the very pro-life laws made possible by Roe’s overturning. Heartbeat Laws have saved thousands of babies,” Rose added. “But Trump wants to compromise on babies’ lives so pro-abort Dems ‘like him.’”

Abby Johnson, the pro-life advocate who formerly ran a Planned Parenthood abortion center, was equally condemning.

“The Republican nominee for President should, at minimum, be able to say that men can’t be women and that it’s wrong to kill children in the womb. We’re not asking him to be a rocket scientist. We’re asking him to be a conservative,” she added.

And CatholicVote President Brian Burch told LifeNews he was concerned with Trump’s remarks.

“President Trump’s comments over the weekend have sparked concerns among Catholics over whether he is committed to leading on this issue in the way he did during his first term,” Burch said. “Pro-life Catholic voters helped deliver him the White House in 2016, and a record number of votes in 2020. He cannot expect to win again without these same voters. Any Republican presidential hopeful must draw a clear contrast to the extreme, taxpayer funded, unlimited abortion agenda of Joe Biden.”

Trump and his campaign will have work to do to repair damage with pro-life voters." Pro-Life Catholics, it's an Easy Choice, really. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:32, September 18, 2023 (EDT)

DeSantis contra Trump: Protecting Babies Lives with Beating Hearts from Abortion actually "Noble and Just"

"In a new interview with NBC’s Meet the Press, the former president denounced Florida’s heartbeat law protecting unborn children from abortion after six weeks when their heartbeat can be detected, calling it “a terrible thing” and “a terrible mistake.”

Responding to those comments, DeSantis said during a radio interview while campaigning in Iowa that he was “proud” to sign the heartbeat law.

“Donald Trump may think it’s terrible. I think protecting babies with heartbeats is noble and just and I’m proud to have signed the heartbeat bill in Florida and I know Iowa has similar legislation,” DeSantis said. “I don’t know how you can even make the claim that you’re somehow prolife if you’re criticizing states for enacting protections for babies that have heartbeats.”

The governor also condemned any potential deal with Congressional Democrats who support abortions up to birth:

DeSantis suggested Trump’s remarks are :a window” into how Trump’s 2024 campaign is diverting from the promises he made during the 2016 campaign. “And I think he’s changing in a way that is not consistent with the values of the people in Iowa,” DeSantis told Radio Iowa."

From: https://www.lifenews.com/2023/09/18/ron-desantis-protecting-babies-from-abortion-is-noble-and-just/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:56, September 18, 2023 (EDT)

Trump interview triggers Biden world

Politico: "Aides and allies of the president quickly moved to try and shape the media’s coverage of the comments. Mainly, they admonished stories that didn’t — in their estimation — note that Trump was, in the words of spokesperson AMMAR MOUSA, “the reason states across the country are able to ban abortion.”

Oh, so DeSantis gets his talking points from the Biden White House and MSM. Okay, makes sense. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:55, September 18, 2023 (EDT)

See above. DeSantis doesn't get anything from Biden, but is the antithesis of him. Dems are supporting Trump because they recognize one of their own in him. Planned Parenthood could have made those remarks that protecting Babies with Beating Hearts is "a terrible thing". NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:57, September 18, 2023 (EDT)

Here's what happened: T attacked D; B observed weakness in T's attack and contacted MSM with instructions to focus on T's statements on abortion. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:01, September 18, 2023 (EDT)

Nope. Even you said the Dems wanted to run against Trump last time because they thought they could defeat him. They want to run against him even more because (1) they know with greater confidence they can beat him, (2) he is basically a Liberal Democrat pretending to be a Republian with this Pro-Choice and even Pro-Abort stance of his. Therefore, what really happened was that:

The Biden White House panicked that (1) Trump may lose HUGE SUPPORT among Catholics and Evangelicals, and thus lose the Primaries, and therefore (2) they sped into action to protect the preferred Candidate of the Dems, Donald Trump, who thinks saving babies are "a terrible thing, a terrible mistake". Simple. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:09, September 18, 2023 (EDT)

Oh? Interesting—I must've missed the news on the Bidenazi world panicking over Trump possibly losing the primaries. Is there a direct source substantiating that point of yours, NishantXavier? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 18:30, September 18, 2023 (EDT)

The Politico link above. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:59, September 18, 2023 (EDT)

DeSantis is in the same position Trump was in in 2015; DeSantis is the MSM/DNC preferred candidate for the GOP nomination, cause they figure he'll be easier to beat in a general election. So they push Desantis now (as they did Trump in the pre-primary season), but by convention time they turn against him completely. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:06, September 18, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, I see now; the Democratic establishment is worried that, with the media now portraying Trump as "moderate," he would end up being perceived by the public as less polarizing than Biden is. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 20:36, September 18, 2023 (EDT)

This is a game I've seen for as long as I can remember: the MSM pushes their preferred GOP candidate they figure will be easiest to beat, like Reagan or Trump; at the convention, they transmogrify from golden boy into the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 21:17, September 18, 2023 (EDT)

Sounds about right. XD —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 21:39, September 19, 2023 (EDT)

The "liberal Jews"

When will Trump learn that this won't help him gain the Jewish vote? Ah well, it's hopeless for him and other philosemites in this regard anyways—most Jews lean liberal, probably because traditionally it was the "right-wing" clericals who persecuted them during the Middle Ages, and that traces all the way back to occultist, Gnostic, paganized infiltration of the churches of Rome and Alexandria during antiquity. But the extensive history is a lesson for another day.

First off, no, this isn't "antisemitism," as the MSM is howling. "Antisemitism" is hatred towards Jews because they are Jewish; Trump wasn't broadly attacking Jews as a whole, he's criticizing liberals among Jewry because of their political leanings, not because of religion or ethnic heritage. Secondly, while his comments are stupid naive antics, before anyone starts freaking out at his statements, one should keep in mind that left-wing Jews are known for misinterpreting Scripture to support all sorts of abominations like abortion. Do they deserve sympathy in this case? No. Unlike theologically conservative Orthodox Jews who at least respect human life and understand the compassion of the Torah, the diehard apostate liberal Jews have no actual understanding of the Scriptures, or simply don't care for the biblical truth. For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

While I can't defend Trump's ridiculous stupidity demonstrated in his impulsively brash statements, nor can I shill for his general policies, his criticism of "liberal Jews" isn't completely off the mark either when you take into account the sins of the house of Israel. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 18:28, September 18, 2023 (EDT)

Trump has never said anything that wasn't cleared with Jared Kushner first. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:00, September 18, 2023 (EDT)

That may have been true during his presidency, but didn't Trump consider Kushner an inept adviser and shake off his son-in-law's influence? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 20:37, September 18, 2023 (EDT)

Hill - Iowa Evangelicals respond to Trump: 70% of Trump supporters are in favor of 6 week Heartbeat Abortion Laws

Great to see Devout Christians and Other Pro-Lifers waking up to what I've been warning about for like months now. Trump is not an Integral Pro-Life Conservative and he showed us that clearly and explicitly: he's going to sell out Pro-Lifers to please Dem Friends. He's insulting his pious MAGA Base, many of whom are indeed Devout Christians and True Pro-Lifers unlike him - they support 6 week abortion bans. Pray and work for America to be saved, which requires a national reformation and an authentic integrally Pro-Life President.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4210711-trump-faces-risks-in-iowa-with-abortion-remarks/

“There’s a variance of opinions but I don’t think the average Iowa pro-life voter would appreciate what he had to say,” said David Kochel, a veteran Iowa GOP strategist.

A New York Times/Siena College poll released last month showed 70 percent of Trump’s supporters in Iowa saying they were in favor of a state law banning abortion after six weeks of pregnancy. On top of that, the poll showed 69 percent of white, evangelical voters in Iowa, a critical group in the GOP nominating process, saying they supported a six-week ban as well.

Terry Amann, a Des Moines-based evangelical pastor who has met with Trump and several other GOP contenders, called Trump’s comments “disappointing.”

“I can’t speak for all caucusgoers but for the evangelical Christian community, it’s very troubling. Our goal is to see the number of weeks go down, not increase,” Amann said, referring to abortion restrictions.

“It makes it really difficult for evangelicals and evangelical pastors like myself to really step up and give support because we just can’t support that type of position,” he continues ... “Most Republicans in Iowa do not think that that position is a stupid position, which is basically what Trump is saying,” Kochel said.

Iowa is home to a strong anti-abortion activist base with groups like the Family Leader and the Iowa Faith and Freedom Coalition calling the state home.

Bob Vander Plaats, the president and CEO of The Family Leader, told The Hill on Monday that Trump’s comments reveal “his true colors."NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 21:02, September 19, 2023 (EDT)

Ok. Now all you need to do is connect the dots how Trump, Biden, DeSantis or whoever will impact Iowa state abortion laws beginning in January 2025.

See, it's occupying our time with deceptive, misleading stuff like this that causes readers to wonder how serious you are about addressing their issues of concern, let alone how informed or honest you are being. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 21:09, September 19, 2023 (EDT)

First, DeSantis will SUPPORT, not OPPOSE Governor Kim Reynolds 6 week heartbeat bills, unlike Trump. Presidential support matters. Second, Republicans should be bold, and not run away from Abortion. SBA has a Poll that 70% of Americans are ok with a National Federal Ban on Abortion at 15 weeks. DeSantis has said he'd sign any Pro-Life Bill that comes to his desk and he will sign it. And yes, we need to marshal 60 Senate votes, but that's not impossible. Pray and work for Republicans to get a significant Senate Majority in 2024, and then aim to swing a few Pro-Life Democrats. It has to happen and it is the way forward. Abortion is like Slavery. Abolition is the Only Answer. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 21:19, September 19, 2023 (EDT)

Republicans aren't running away from abortion. It's just a state issue, not federal. This is a simplistic and deceptive approach to voters, kinda like Democrats do. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 21:29, September 19, 2023 (EDT)

Nothing deceptive about it. You are liberalizing and sliding, Rob. Tell that to President Lincoln and the Original Abolitionists. We have to be Abolitionists on Abortion too. "More than 7 in 10 Americans Oppose Abortion after 15 Weeks (at most) A Harvard-Harris national poll found 72% of voters would limit abortions by no later than 15 weeks, including 75% of women, 70% of Independents and 60% of rank-and-file Democrats." https://sbaprolife.org/polling NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 21:33, September 19, 2023 (EDT)

That has nothing to do with any federal election. And it is misleading to present it as such. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 21:35, September 19, 2023 (EDT)

Pro-Life Susan B Anthony Group, which is one of the largest pro-life organizations, have called for a Federal Ban, and I agree with them. I gave the source for the stats above. Read it and reflect on it. 70% are ok with post-15 weeks restrictions on the FEDERAL Level. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 21:42, September 19, 2023 (EDT)

If it hasn't worked for 50 years, it's not likely now. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 06:33, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

Prominent SC evangelical leaders form coalition, back DeSantis in 2024 GOP presidential race

Hallelujah! Look at the Momentum Buildup! Huge Numbers of Pro-Life Christians are rightly rallying around Pro-Life Hero, Governor Ron DeSantis.

"A group of prominent South Carolina faith leaders are rallying support for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in his effort to woo evangelical voters in the 2024 race.

Eighteen Christian leaders, including pastors, church leaders and theology experts, will lead a network of 100 members, the Greenville News has learned. The list includes leaders from churches based in the Upstate such as Hope Church, which has branches in Greenville, Spartanburg and Simpsonville, as well as educators from Bob Jones University and North Greenville University.

"America is in need of a major revitalization!" said Hotwire Ministries CEO Pastor Mike Gonzalez in support of DeSantis' campaign. "Our border crisis, crime rates, and steady climbing inflation are bankrupting our nation. These issues are systemic and the result of poor and corrupt leadership. Governor Ron DeSantis will restore truth and common-sense leadership as President and will lead on day one in turning our nation in the right direction ...

This year, DeSantis also signed a six-week abortion ban similar to South Carolina's recently passed legislation."

https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/2023/09/19/sc-christian-leaders-pastors-form-desantis-coalition-in-2024-gop-race-presidential-republican/70904229007/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 21:42, September 19, 2023 (EDT)

Is Trump planning to sell out pro-life state laws if he ever becomes President again

One thing Trump may be doing with his "deal-making" is hinting that he may do a deal for a very late term ban (1% of abortions or less, like 20 weeks), in exchange for the "deal" of giving Democrat Baby-Killers what they want: preventing Pro-Life States from early laws.

"Trump may have hinted support for a federal law that prohibits state pro-life laws in exchange for a national late-term ban.

That is pro-abortion. 93% of abortions are before 14 weeks." https://twitter.com/Chris__Iverson/status/1704284051639505102

Another source for the 93% statistic: "In 2020, 81% of reported U.S. abortions occurred prior to the 10th week of gestation; 93% occurred prior to 14 weeks’ gestation (CDC)". A 15 week federal ban must be the national minimum; a 10 or 12 week ban would be better if possible.

Also, note this: "More than 60 million legal abortions have occurred in the United States since 1973...

In 2020, unmarried women accounted for 86% of all abortions (CDC)."

The Abortion problem is ultimately a Fornication problem. It shows one mortal sin leads to another, and sadly sins have consequences."

The link from Abort 73: https://abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 07:37, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

It's difficult to say whether Trump is actually serious in appearing to betray the pro-life cause in favor of popular sovereignty. See, from his standpoint, it's about political pragmatism: he doesn't want to lose a ton of votes over the issue. So perhaps once he regains the White House, he'll continue instituting pro-life policies from where he left off in his first term. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 16:08, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

EXCLUSIVE: Ron DeSantis To Attend Texas Fundraisers Hosted By Funders Of J6 Committee Members

I told ya, get off this donkey. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 14:32, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

Um... do you have any better sources than a white nationalist? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 16:02, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

Rumor is, Loomer is a transgender. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:29, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

Loomer is Crazy as Hell. She has no clue what she's talking about. Ron DeSantis is a Proven Christian Conservative Champion, a Pro-Life Hero, an Anti-Woke Fighter, who runs Record Budget Surpluses, has brought Crime to a 50 year low in Florida, paid down 25% of the State Debt etc. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 19:49, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

Yah, you only keep forgetting the uniparty deep state globalist part. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:55, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

DeSantis is the man who can defeat the Deep State. If conservatives rally around him now, he will do all the rest. Trust God's Plan. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 20:27, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

He's part of it. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:51, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

The Babylon Bee gets it

Trump Says There Are 'Very Fine People On Both Sides' Of Baby Murder Issue —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 16:01, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

Lol. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 19:46, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

If Trump's "full-on Nazi," then I guess the writer of his post must be a Jewish Nazi

No wonder most of the MSM doesn't mention it. The pathetic concern troll clowns calling Trump "full-on Nazi" over the remark should think to themselves whether implying that Jewish people are Nazis is worth it. And of course, at least one MSM reporting couldn't help but irrelevantly invoke Trump's "very fine people" quote mine, because why not? Clearly the pro-Israel president with Jewish grandchildren who signed an executive order stopping anti-Jewish hatred on college campuses is the real antisemite.

I personally would like to applaud conservative-minded Jews for giving their idiotic left-wing counterparts the rebuke they deserve, since I myself can relate to that particular feeling. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 15:59, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

Trump's a genius. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 16:10, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

In this specific regard, yes, I agree. He takes into consideration how conservative-minded Jews (ostracized within their own communities) feel and makes their voices heard. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 16:18, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

Yah, and he knows these are uniparty attacks coming from the Biden junta, thru Team DeSantis & the RNC. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:06, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

It's also worth noting that the same Jewish groups panicking over Trump's rebuke of liberal Jews were probably the same ones who defended Ilhan Omar. It really makes you wonder when the Jews will realize they are being highly misrepresented. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 18:13, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

Indeed. How can so many Jewish people fail to grasp that Trump is, in fact, a sensitive man? ConwayIII (talk) 19:05, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

Because the liberal majority of them are are probably stuck believing that the Democrats are still the same great party of FDR and Truman and won't break free from their decades-long tradition of distrusting the GOP in general. Ever since, I don't know for sure, maybe the French Revolution (?), some elements of the political left presented themselves as allies of the Jews, who were frequently in desperation amidst persecution by "right-wing" clericals. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 22:19, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

Extensive digression into socialism, abortion, "Christian Nationalism," and theological stuff

Speaking of Nazism, Abortionism is Nazism. See this: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1080/20508549.1999.11878366 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 20:26, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

See also: "THE crime of abortion played prominently in two international trials held at Nuremberg following World War li-the Goering and Greifelt cases. Allied prosecutors made the case that voluntary and involuntary abortion were war crimes and crimes against humanity. The Goering judgment identified the Political Leadership Corps of the Nazi Party as a criminal organization, in part because of its policies promoting abortion." https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/58824124.pdf NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 21:07, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

The Nuremberg Code also outlawed involuntary medical experiments, like mRNA vaccine vaccine mandates. But who cares?

We got all kinds of anti-Putin pro-Nazi cheerleaders out there today. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 21:12, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

The Nuremberg prosecutors were also staunchly pro-life. While modern-day abortion advocates like to claim "the Nazis weren't aCtUaLLy pro-abortion because they opposed abortion for German women," the prosecutors very much deemed the Nazi leaders supportive of abortion via loosening of abortion restrictions in occupied Eastern Europe. If you murder one person and not another, you're still a murderer, so the modern-day neo-Marxist left-wing argument is absurd. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 22:24, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

To be truly Anti-Nazi you have to be Pro-Life. "Guess What? Vladimir Putin Is a Pro-Choice Champion" https://fortune.com/2017/12/14/vladimir-putin-russia-abortion-pro-choice-press-conference/ See also: https://www.iwmf.org/reporting/putin-the-pro-choice-champion/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 21:24, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

Weren't the Nazis natalists? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 21:56, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

Yes. The Nazis implemented rampant government-sponsored natalist welfare, just as the Communists in the Soviet Union and Romania did, as a means of increasing the birthrate for full-on socialist purposes. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 22:19, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

The Entire Christian World banned and outlawed Abortion over a 100 years ago. Where was it first legalized? That's right, in the Godless, Communist Soviet Union, for one of the first things the Bolshevik Communists did when they took over Poor, Martyred Orthodox Christian Russia was Legalize Abortion. Sources: "Abortion was illegal in the Russian Empire. The practice is not directly referenced in the Domostroi, though child rearing is a common topic. During Tsar Alexis Romanov's reign the punishment for abortion was death, only later removed by Peter the Great. Abortion continued to be a serious crime until 1917 ... The Soviet government was the first government in Europe to legalize abortion. In October 1920 the Bolsheviks made abortion legal within the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic with their "Decree on Women's Healthcare". After the RSFSR the law was introduced in Ukraine (5 July 1921) and then the remainder of the Soviet Union.[3]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Russia

Atheism has failed Humanity. You see, in the end, it's either Bolshevik Communism or Christian Nationalism. That's why Christian Nationalism is the Only Solution to the Pro-Abortion Holocaust. And it is a Great Glory of the Catholic Church to have been staunchly Pro-Life and fought the Abortionist Baby-Killers at every step, including in America, thus helping save Millions of Lives, as She continues to do, by Her Pro-Life Activism, and the Election of Pro-Life Catholic Ron DeSantis will complete it. God bless Evangelical and Orthodox Christendom for standing with us, and for all Conservative Pro-Lifers everywhere, even secular ones. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 22:38, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

NishantXavier, that precisely is the thesis/antithesis deception game right there. The Antichrist beast system will be a far-right theocracy, but how do you achieve one? Push a country as far left as possible into social-anarchist moral degeneracy, and then present "Christian Nationalism" as the solution. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 22:40, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

Nope. That's the Christ and Anti-Christ Spiritual Battle. St. John tells you how to identify the Anti-Christ. The Liar who denies that Jesus is the Christ, and that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, is the Anti-Christ. This is true of Pharisaic Judaism(need to update this, will do that shortly). "Who is the liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, even he that denieth the Father and the Son." (1 Jn 2:22). It is Pharisaic Judaism that most impiously pretends "Christian Nationalism is the Anti-Christ", although they are fine with Jewish Nationalism in Israel, even one that persecutes Christians: "CBN News has repeatedly reported on the Persecution of Christians in Israel. This comes from Pharisaic Judaism and its bigoted teaching against Christians. While Christendom stands with Israel and supports Israel's right to exist contra mundum (against the world), some Jews hate and persecute Christians and spit on Christian Clergy. Thankfully, other more moderate Jews respect Christian Pastors and Priests, but more progress is needed. Christians in Israel should enjoy the same rights and full freedoms Jews enjoy in America or Europe" https://www.conservapedia.com/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_World_Today#An_ungrateful_source_of_Persecution_of_Christians_-_Pharisaic_Judaism_and_its_Anti-Gentilism_and_Christophobic_Bigotry_in_Israel Christian Nationalism is recognizing Jesus Christ as King of kings and Lord of lords. A Christian Country like Great Britain had kings and lords; the claim of Supreme Authority inherent in the Biblical title, "King of Kings and Lord of lords" should be manifestly self-evident. Only Christian Nationalism can heal the wound in Jesus Christ's Sacred Heart for having heard from His own countrymen: "We shall not have this Man to be King over us" (Luk 19:14). NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 22:50, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

Who hath bewitched you? I explained all this to you half a zillion times: you're attempting to literally apply some cherry-picked verses in a way that don't make sense. In 1 John 4:2–3, John clarifies that he is referring to spirits, not individual people. Do you not see with your eyes that countless people in this world will pretend to be Christian and then spout some of the most anti-biblical propaganda? Are you seriously saying that someone is automatically a faithful Christian just because they appear to profess Jesus as the Christ, without even testing them, as John tells us to do? (1 John 4:1)

And I made it abundantly clear to you that "Christian Nationalism" is simply part of the Hegelian deception game: the NWO powers that be created neo-Marxist moral degeneracy to push the world as far to the left as possible, so the resulting backlash against the far-left will be capitalized upon by the far-right into power, and thus the "far-right Christian Nationalists" will be able to institute an International Sunday Law, since Sunday is the Papacy's mark of authority. And I thought all this basic logic and critical thinking shouldn't be too hard for conservatives of all people to understand, but no, they too are blinded by the god of this world (2 Cor. 4:4), and are on their way to perishing with the world. One day, when probation finally closes and it's too late to turn back, don't say I didn't warn you. I tried what I could to bring the light to you, but all you "conservatives" would rather place your trust in the antichrists of this world who promise an earthly utopia and whose abode is the darkness, rather than letting the truth set you free (John 8:32) from the chains of worldliness that lead to ultimate perdition. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 23:13, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

Faithless, Apostate, Rubbish. St. John clearly told you the liar is the one who denies Jesus is the Christ, and that fits the Anti-Christ sect of Pharisaic Judaism precisely, yet you refuse to call them out on that lie. You instead repeat the lie, which itself comes from Pharisaic Judaism, that the Papacy is allegedly the Anti-Christ - what rubbish! The Papacy confesses Jesus Christ is Lord, which no one can do without the Holy Spirit. (1 Cor 12:3) The Papacy confesses that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, therefore, God dwells in it, and it in God. (1 Jn 4:15). Meanwhile, the 2nd part of that 1 Cor 12 verse, about those who say "Let Jesus be cursed" is again speaking of Pharisaic Judaism. You are totally misguided and the blind leading the blind all the way to the pit. The Papacy stands as the most Pro-Life Institution on the Planet, saving Millions of Lives; those are Fruits that show it is from God. Read Mat 16:18-19 and Mat 18:17. Finally, that's another unheard of stupidity from Pharisaic Judaism; as if Christians cannot receive Sunday Communion when the Lord Jesus Himself gave Sunday Communion to His Disciples on the Road to Emmaus! Lol. Clueless stupidity, Biblical illiteracy, theological ignoramuses. The "mark" is something that will be forced on the forehead or right hand. That has nothing to do with Sunday Communion. You are still under the Law and dead to Grace if you teach Christians have no right to worship and receive Communion on Sunday. Sad. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 23:26, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

To make it even clearer to those who have eyes to see, for Pharisaic Judaism, the Papacy is Anti-Christ because Jesus is Anti-Christ (to them). It's they who say "Let Jesus be cursed", as St. Paul mentions, and as he says elsewhere, those who say that are anathema. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 23:30, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

[EC] Pharisaic Judaism? You really don't know what you're talking about, and are contradicting yourself. I've made it clear over and over again that I'm a Christian, and you're saying that only someone who openly denies Jesus as the Christ is "antichrist." Well, since by your own logic, "Pharisaic Judaism" is antichrist, then I'm not of Pharisaic Judaism since I affirm Christ as Lord and Savior. How did you not think this through, NishantXavier? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 23:41, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

And again, John said that every spirit that confesses Jesus is the Christ is of God. The Papacy, by the way, has throughout its history vehemently denied the authority of God in its writings. Here's an excellent playlist, and I'll also provide a direct quote from the horse's mouth:

The Papacy, which ordered the cold-blooded murder of millions of Christians during the 1,260 years of reign (Daniel 7:25), namely the Waldensians, Albigensians, Huguenots, and Messianic Jews, is the most pro-life institution on the planet? I don't know how you expect me to believe that.

The biblical concept of communion has little to do with the paganized man-made traditions that infiltrated into Christianity during the Nicene era. Also, if the mark is a literal stamp on the forehead or the right hand, that would imply that a Christian who in good conscience refuses the mark yet has the stamp forced upon them would "receive the mark of the beast" and therefore be lost, and that notion makes zero sense at all. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 23:43, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

I'm not going to wade into this kerfuffle much, however for the sake of clarity, I would suggest clarifying one aspect: the "Catholic" church of 386 AD bears no resemblance to the same "Roman Catholic" church of today. IMO, using the term, in the context it is being used, is misleading and evokes prejudice. Modern audiences will mistake it as such. I would suggest a disclaimer or clarification. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 23:51, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

[EC] In a literal sense, I think see where you're coming from. Modern-day "mainstream" Catholicism was shaped by the new liberal reforms of the Second Vatican Council, and the "old" strain of Catholicism prior to that is what appears to be known today as "traditionalist Catholicism." That said, "traditionalist Catholicism" that bears resemblance, if not sometimes outright identical (that's primarily with the extremist sects though) to the Catholicism of the Dark Ages, and that faction definitely is rooted in the pagan/occultist/Gnostic infiltration of the church during the fourth century. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 23:55, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

The term "catholic" means "universal" or "gentile", or "non-Jew". The name comes from the formal name of The Catholic Epistles of Paul (Epistolen Katholika). The Eastern Rite is and remains 'catholic". I am a small "c" catholic. All Protestants are small "c" catholics (careful, a Baptist or Lutheran may smack you for that). Messianic Jews are not catholic.

The Roman Catholic divide first arose with the Great Schism with the Orthodox, and again with the Protestant Reformation. "Catholic" is used generically in Western culture to refer to Roman Catholics, however historically "Catholic" (big or small) can be applied to the entire gentile church that was grafted in.. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 00:03, September 21, 2023 (EDT)

Now yes, the apostolic church did use the term "catholic" in the sense of "you are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28) Of course, the paganizers who took over the church in the 4th century under Constantine clearly hijacked the term to promote not universal brotherhood among Christians, but rather universal brotherhood between Christianity and paganism.

It's also like that with the term "Lord's Day"—it's nowadays a common synonym for "Sunday," but the record of the apostolic church in no way indicates this. If, in fact, the Lord's Day referred to the first day of the week since the Didache, then why is it that the only ante-Nicene church father to explicitly promote Sunday observance, Justin Martyr, never once refers to the first day of the week as the "Lord's Day"? Because the Lord's Day in the 2nd century, like in the 1st, referred to the Sabbath day. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 00:07, September 21, 2023 (EDT)

Paul emphasizes over and over again, "to the Jew first, and also to the gentile". It's why he's called the Apostle to the Gentiles. He wrote and preached the Catholic or Universal Epistles (Jew and gentile). RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 00:10, September 21, 2023 (EDT)

I think that phrase can be paralleled with this passage:

The Jews had the knowledge of the truth, and therefore were expected to live up to higher standards as opposed to the poor gentiles who lacked that understanding. That would explain why Paul stresses in Romans 2:9 that tribulation and anguish for the "soul of man that doeth evil" is "to the Jew first." —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 00:14, September 21, 2023 (EDT)

<digression>It's one reason I reject Papal Primacy; Paul & Peter agreed Paul would go to the Gentiles, and Peter would remain head of the Jewish Church in Jerusalem. So how does Peter become head of the gentile church? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 00:16, September 21, 2023 (EDT)

That is an excellent point. Speaking of "papal primacy," the Jesuitist Douay–Rheims Bible notably distorts 1 Corinthians 9:5

"Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?" (KJV)
"Do we not have the right to take along a believing wife, as do the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?" (ESV)
"Have we not power to carry about a woman, a sister, as well as the rest of the apostles, and the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?" (Douay)

The question is brought up over and over: if the Papacy traces back to the Apostle Peter, why is it that popes aren't married as Peter was? So Roman Catholicism had to devise all sorts of deflecting explanations, and it's no wonder that their Bible translation, derived from the Latin Vulgate, would like to twist Scripture to fit their own doctrinal positions. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 00:27, September 21, 2023 (EDT)

"The Jews had the knowledge of the truth, and therefore were expected to live up to higher standards"

I think you're back to the "Ye must be circumcized" arguments. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 00:20, September 21, 2023 (EDT)

Gentile congregations had always existed. Acts 15 says, "Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.”

The Torah speaks of the stranger who sojourns with you. Many non-Israelite Egyptians packed up and left Egypt with Moses and Israel. The Apostles in Acts figured maybe they would get less resistance preaching the Gospel to the already existing gentile congregations who read Moses every Sabbath than they got from the stiff-necked Jews in Jerusalem. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 00:32, September 21, 2023 (EDT)

Oh wow, I didn't know all that before. Interesting. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 02:08, September 21, 2023 (EDT)

Matt 16:18, again

We've gone over this before. Read the Gospels and actually believe them. Jesus Christ founded One Church one the Rock of St. Peter. He said, "You are Peter, and on this Rock, I will build My Church". He promise the Gates of Hell would never prevail against this Church. Historically, it is as certain that Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church, as that Martin Luther founded the Protestant church, and Ellen White the SDA sect. "Unless the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it". Only the Catholic Church has the promise that Hell's gates will never conquer Her. God gave Peter and His Church the promise that what She binds on Earth will be bound in Heaven. It's the Catholic Church that determined the 73 Book Biblical Canon in the 4th Century, including the 27 Book NT we all accept. That reminds me of something Conservative asked me elsewhere, which I'll now go and respond to. Whoever claims the Papacy is Anti-Christ is himself of the anti-christ and the devil. The Papacy confesses Jesus Christ is the Son of God, teaches the Holy Trinity, and is Pro-Life. The Catholic Church has saved countless millions of souls by teaching Jesus Christ is Lord, and also countless millions of babies' lives. Here, and there, a few mistakes have been made, as by other Christian denominations also, but totally exaggerated and lied about by the ignorant. Lord Baltimore's Maryland practiced Religious Tolerance - look it up. Then Catholics became persecuted, like in England also, for a while. But finally, by the Grace of God, the Apostolic Truth of Religious Freedom/Tolerance was recovered, and mistakes correctedNishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 08:27, September 21, 2023 (EDT)

Eh, not so fast there. "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." (1 Corinthians 10:4)

Oh, calling the Papacy "Antichrist" designates someone as from the spirit of antichrist? Let's connect the dots together: the spirit of antichrist is denying that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. To say "calling the Papacy antichrist means one is antichrist" implies that the Papacy itself is the Vicarius Filii Dei (the Roman numerals in that title add up to 666, BTW), which itself is blasphemous, because it rests on the false premise that the pope/church is Christ. In Greek, the prefix "anti-" means "replacement." Vicariuus Filli Dei, the title of the pope, means "replacement for the son of God," which in the Greek tongue literally means "Antichrist." The Vatican couldn't have done humanity a better favor in identifying itself right there!

To address the argument that "Jesus founded the Catholic Church"—I'll use an analogy. Hollywood has continued in organizational succession for the past decades upon decades; does this mean that the Hollywood of 70 years ago is the same Hollywood today? Of course not! Hollywood a long time ago was conservative and patriotic, while today it is morally degenerate. Likewise, the same church from the apostolic times was passed down generation after generation into what eventually became the Catholic Church, but that doesn't mean that the resulting Catholic Church holds the same values as the original apostolic church; Roman Catholicism formed as a result of Christianity compromising with paganism during Constantine's reign. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 14:08, September 21, 2023 (EDT)

On Religious Tolerance in Catholic Maryland, see: "8. Catholic Maryland: The First Tolerant American Colony

A. Patrick O'Hare

"Catholics . . . were the first in America to proclaim and to practice civil and religious liberty . . . The colony established by Lord Baltimore in Maryland granted civil and religious liberty to all who professed different beliefs . . . At that very time the Puritans of New England and the Episcopalians of Virginia were busily engaged in persecuting their brother Protestants for consciences' sakes and the former were . . . hanging `witches'." (50:300-01)

B. Martin Marty (P)

"Baltimore . . . welcomed, among other English people, even the Catholic-hating Puritans (8) . . . In January of 1691 . . . the new regime brought hard times for Catholics as the Protestants closed their church, forbade them to teach in public . . . but . . . the little outpost of practical Catholic tolerance had left its mark of promise on the land." (9)

C. John Tracy Ellis

"For the first time in history . . . all churches would be tolerated, and . . . none would be the agent of the government . . . Catholics and Protestants side by side on terms of equality and toleration unknown in the mother country . . . The effort proved vain; for . . . the Puritan element . . . October, 1654, repealed the Act of Toleration and outlawed the Catholics . . . condemning ten of them to death, four of whom were executed . . . From . . . 1718 down to the outbreak of the Revolution, the Catholics of Maryland were cut off from all participation in public life, to say nothing of the enactments against their religious services and . . . schools for Catholic instruction . . . During the half-century the Catholics had governed Maryland they had not been guilty of a single act of religious oppression." (10)"

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/protin.htm NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 08:30, September 21, 2023 (EDT)

Ron DeSantis Drops to Fifth Place in Latest New Hampshire Polling

Even if DeSantis won Iowa, he wouldn't have enough time or money to turn things around in New Hampshire. [8] RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 23:22, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

Yeah, it's hopeless for DeSantis at this point. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 23:23, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

It's why DeSantis is focused so much on Iowa, they even announced a second place finish is as good as a win, remember? But you hear no reports coming from the DeSantis camp in New Hampshire unlike the flood of propaganda coming from Iowa. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 23:25, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

If DeSantis wins Iowa, and he will, it's literally over for just about everyone else. Christie might stay in till New Hampshire and Haley till South Carolina, their home states. Everyone else drops out. It's DeSantis vs Trump after that, and Trump is bleeding money, spending 10s of millions of dollars on legal fees, under multiple indictments and some 91 felony counts, and he is simply not going to win. Meanwhile, DeSantis is Pro-Life, a Proven Consevervative, Anti-Woke, Budget Surplus, Policy Wonk, he has 100 MN, the staying power, and he will win.NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 23:29, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) You hear nothing about "DeSantis endorsed by New Hampshire kingmaker nobody ever heard of with a 0-10 record" like in Iowa while Trump picks up Speaker McCarthy and bunch of Senators. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!}

Btw, that reporting is fake news. It's basically a statistical tie. DeSantis is essentially in 2nd place, tied with others for the spot. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 08:31, September 21, 2023 (EDT)

Well then... I guess we'll see how the primaries go. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 13:59, September 21, 2023 (EDT)

Church news

Reminder: Pharisaic Judaism destroying Christian America by pushing Abortion-Killing as "Religious Freedom"

My blood boils when I read this. Pharisaic Judaism encourages spitting on Christian Clergy and Christians in Israel. But they spit on Christians even more when you spit on the tireless prayers, sacrifices, vigils outside Pro-Life Centers and Abortion Clinics for the last 50 years. Wake up, America! It's Pharisaic Judaism or Christian Nationalism. Tertium non datur (there is no third option). We need Christian Nationalism in the United States and All Christian Countries because only Christian Nationalism can stop the Baby-Killing Abortionist Holocaust that has claimed 2 Billion Lives worldwide. Atheism and Pharisaic Judaism are culpable. Christianity will Triumph.

"My Religion Makes Me Pro-abortion Many of us working to protect access to abortion are doing so because of our faith, not in spite of it.

By Danya Ruttenberg Think about the relationship between faith and abortion, at least in the United States, and you might conjure up images of prayer circles at the March for Life, or protesters outside clinics, or a priest giving a sermon on the sanctity of life. Religion is often associated with an anti-abortion stance in the American popular imagination—and white Evangelicals have been encouraging that connection for decades. Now those efforts are culminating in the most disastrous year for abortion access since Roe v. Wade was decided 49 years ago, and in the Supreme Court’s likely reversal of Roe. But many of us working to protect the right to abortion are doing so because of our religious commitments, not despite them.

I’m a rabbi and a scholar in residence at the National Council of Jewish Women, which fights to preserve the right to abortion and expand access to the procedure. Our organization’s Rabbis for Repro network includes more than 1,800 Jewish clergy of every denomination committed to supporting abortion access for all. My activism is grounded both in Jewish law and in my tradition’s understanding of our profound commitments to one another." https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/06/judaism-abortion-rights-religious-freedom/661264/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 23:36, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

Again, you don't know what you're talking about. Judaism from the time of Moses was firmly pro-life, but after the third kingdom prophesied in Daniel (Pagan Greece) took over, Hellenization impacted the cultural mentality of the Jews. While biblical Jewish values places a compassionate emphasis on loving unborn children as the fruit of their mother's womb (Luke 1:42) knitted by the hand of God (Psalm 139:13), old pagan values emphasized, as do modern-day neo-Marxist leftists, that the womb was an organ for sexual pleasure and that unborn children were merely part of their mother's body and can be ruthlessly killed for being "inconvenient."

The pro-abortion attitude among Judaism began with Hellenization, which was supported by the Sadducees and opposed by the Pharisees. So "Pharisaic Judaism" in the traditional sense would have been relatively opposed to abortion. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 23:51, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

Nope. Complete Ignorance from you. First, even your own link says: "The influence of the top pagan medical physicians and Greek philosophers on the religious teaching of many of the Jews can be seen in the Babylonian Talmud – a Jewish religious writing of the 400’s or 500’s A.D. The Babylonian Talmud stated: “The embryo is part (literally, ‘a thigh’ of its mother). (The) embryo (is regarded) as part of the mother…one of her own limbs.” When giving a description of a pregnant woman, the rabbis said, “There was originally one body and now also there is one body.” 11 Many Jews did not have the Biblical concept that an unborn baby is a distinct human even while being nourished in his/her mother’s womb."

Secondly, St. Constantine the Great Abolished Infanticide, and holy Catholic Christian Church Fathers are in large part responsible for its Abolition: "Christianity explicitly rejects infanticide. The Teachings of the Apostles or Didache said "thou shalt not kill a child by abortion, neither shalt thou slay it when born".[55] The Epistle of Barnabas stated an identical command, both thus conflating abortion and infanticide.[56] Apologists Tertullian, Athenagoras, Minucius Felix, Justin Martyr and Lactantius also maintained that exposing a baby to death was a wicked act.[5] In 318, Constantine I considered infanticide a crime, and in 374, Valentinian I mandated the rearing of all children (exposing babies, especially girls, was still common). The Council of Constantinople declared that infanticide was homicide, and in 589, the Third Council of Toledo took measures against the custom of killing their own children.[44]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide#Christianity The Apostolic 1st Century Didache and the Epistle of Barnabas also refute some Pharisaical claims of the SDA Sect regarding Sunday worship and Communion and the Eucharist and prove its Apostolic and thus Divine origin.

Pharisaic Judaism is that Anti-Christ Sect which denies Jesus Christ is the Virgin-Born Son of God, and preaches Circumcision instead of the Cross, and Sabbath instead of Sunday. It is and was condemned by Christ and His Apostles, and its wicked works like promoting abortion bear witness that it is of the devil. The righteous works of the Catholic Church, like condemning Abortion and promoting Life, as well as of all Pro-Life Christendom, bear witness of the Spirit's presence in Her/us, which is completely lacking in Pharisaic Judaism NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 08:21, September 21, 2023 (EDT)

Once again, you're failing to pay attention. The quote you're citing about the Babylonian Talmud and the 400s or 500s A.D. has little to do with traditional Pharisaic Judaism, because the Pharisees officially as a sect dissolved shortly after the the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. To reiterate: Hellenization 🠂 pro-abortion. Sadducees = pro-Hellenization, Pharisees = anti-Hellenization. The historical evidence therefore indicates that support for abortion within Judaism grew out of Sadducee influence, not Pharisaism.

"and Sabbath instead of Sunday." Let's take a look at the New Testament:

There is no biblical evidence that God ever changed observance of the seventh day of the week to the first. Your own church hierarchy has openly admitted this for centuries in his encyclicals, speeches, and other writings. During the Council of Trent, the Protestants were criticized for moral hypocrisy and inconsistency: they continued to keep Sunday holy, thus abiding by Catholic teachings, because sola scriptura would dictate that they observe the Sabbath. And that was why the Protestant Reformation lost: the church, out the abundance of its own arrogance, stated the quiet part out loud in order to undermine Protestant validity. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 11:46, September 21, 2023 (EDT)

The Epistle of Barnabas?? That is an almost-certainly apocryphal piece of literature that has no biblical validity whatsoever. If it was truly written by Barnabas, the question is brought up: why is not in the New Testament? In addition, it's filled with anti-Jewish bigotry, contradicting the egalitarian nature of the early apostolic church. It was only accepted as canonical in Alexandria, one of two chief cities (along with Rome) known for its pagan, Gnostic, occultist influence that crept into the church. The evidence is clear: the Epistle of Barnabas, contained in Codex Sinaiticus, is a forgery that belongs in the same trash bin Sinaiticus was found in.

Speaking of anti-Jewish bigotry, your headline here implying that abortion is a Jewish plot against "Christian America" is an antisemitic canard traditionally propagated among white supremacists, and to an extent, probably among black nationalists as well. Traditional Judaism rejects abortion. By blaming "Pharisaic Judaism," you are ignoring the pagan origins behind the "abortion holocaust" and giving the real culprits a free pass just to blame, as always, "the Jews." It's no wonder, seeing that the branch of Catholicism you adhere to is traditionally known for anti-Jewish diatribes and is directly rooted in antisemitism. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 11:59, September 21, 2023 (EDT)

Oh please. So traditional Catholicism is anti-semitic? Talk about anti-Catholic Bigotry. Hasn't this lie been pointed out to you before, that the Catholic Church saved nearly 1 Million Jewish Lives in the Nazi Period? Here's the source: ""Those rescued by Pius are today living all over the world. There went to Israel alone from Romania 360,000 to the year 1965."

The vindication of Pius XII has been established principally by Jewish writers and from Israeli archives. It is now established that the Pope supervised a rescue network which saved 860,000 Jewish lives - more than all the international agencies put together.

After the war the Chief Rabbi of Israel thanked Pius XII for what he had done. The Chief Rabbi of Rome went one step further. He became a Catholic. He took the name Eugenio."

From the Jewish Virtual Library.

It's a sin to dislike someone because of their race. But it's perfectly legitimate to call into question or to hold to account someone's Radical pro abort or Anti Christian behavior. Promoting Abortion in a Christian Country by distorting the Torah in favor of Talmudic Pharisaical traditions condemned by Jesus Christ is a damnable offense in His Sight. It has nothing to do with the color of one's skin, as Anti-Racist Champion and Christian Pastor Dr. Martin Luther King rightly observed. It has, as he continued, everything to do with the content of one's character, for distorting the Bible/Torah/Ot to promote Abortion reveals a bad character God will condemn. God will not condemn anyone because of their race. He will condemn many for their wicked works, like Promoting Abortion. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 13:14, September 21, 2023 (EDT)

Source for the above, of Saintly Pope Ven. Pius XII saving nearly ONE MILLION Jewish Lives during Nazi atrocities: since some of these Jewish Believers also became Christian Believers and saved their Souls thanks to the Church’s Action in saving their lives, as was documented above in the case of the the Chief Rabbi of Israel, who took the name Eugenio after the Pope, the Church saved their Souls as well, by leading them to Baptism/Christ.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/860-000-lives-saved-the-truth-about-pius-xii-and-the-jews

The Catholic Church is the largest Pro-Life/International/Humanitarian/Philo-Semite/Anti-Racist/Universalist Organization on the Planet. She welcomes people of all races and cultures into her fold without exception. She loves all, and works to save all. But She rightly condemns the Great Wickedness of those who promote Abortion without craven fear because She fears and loves only God and greatly and tirelessly works to save as many Babies' Lives of all races as possible. She is of God, but Pharisaic Judaism is that Synagogue of Satan Jesus Christ Himself condemned in the Book of Revelation. Denying Christ's Divinity, denying the Virgin Birth, slandering Jesus and Mary (as in the Talmud), promoting Abortion, all these are wicked works condemned by God. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 13:23, September 21, 2023 (EDT)

Romanist persecution of Jews during the Dark Ages, especially Messianic Jews, is well-documented. And as for Pope Pius XII and the Holocaust, you're only sharing one side of the story. New revelations have something different to say.

Pharisaic Judaism is the synagogue of Satan? You're applying a highly literal interpretation of Revelation 2:9 and 3:9—while to some extent in terms of typological significance, there is some relevance pertaining to ancient Smyrna, whose leader Polycarp's martyrdom was supported by Jews who brought the wood to burn him, it should be noted that "spiritual Jew = Christian." Since Revelation as a whole is highly symbolic, it more likely means "those who say they are Christians and are not." —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 13:58, September 21, 2023 (EDT)

Geopolitics

User:Conservative proudly has a series he labels: User:Conservative Essays: Geopolitics. Let's see how studied and knowledgeable he is to lay claim to use of that term. Using 2 articles from Wikipedia (yes, as a member of WP's Copy Editor's Guild I found a glaring error in one article, but that section won't be cited here), I will produce a simple narrative,

Haushofer ... specialty was to combine the fields of geography, history, economics, demography, political science, and anthropology into a new discipline that came to be called Geopolitik.

Geopolitik is a branch of 19th-century German statecraft, foreign policy and geostrategy. It developed from the writings of various German philosophers, geographers and thinkers, including Oswald Spengler (1880-1936), Alexander Humboldt (1769-1859), Karl Ritter (1779-1859), Friedrich Ratzel (1844-1904), the Swede Rudolf Kjellén (1864-1922), and Karl Haushofer (1869-1946).

So obviously Haushofer coined the term.

Haushofer was informally interrogated by Fr. Edmund A. Walsh on behalf of Nuremberg Trials prosecutor Robert H. Jackson to determine whether Haushofer should also stand trial. Fr. Walsh ultimately reported to Jackson that Haushofer was both legally and morally guilty of complicity in Nazi war crimes. Citing, "the role of geopolitics in corrupting education into a preparation for war", Walsh accused Haushofer and his associates of being, "basically as guilty as the better-known war criminals."[11] In his later memoir of the Nuremberg Trials, Walsh further alleged that, "The tragedy of Karl Haushofer", was his participation in the, "nationalizing", of academic scholarship and of turning Geopolitik into a weapon supplying, "an allegedly scientific basis and justification for international brigandage."[12]

But User:Conservative proudly wears the title of geopolitical expert.

Karl and Martha Haushofer died together in a suicide pact

Just like Adolf and Eva or Magda and Joseph Goebbels. But these are the people User:Conservative claims intellectual kinship or being an heir. Need I go on?

Haushofer visited Landsberg prison [in 1927] to teach and mentor both [Rudolph] Hess and Hitler.

Haushofer also coined the political use of the term Lebensraum, which Hitler also used to justify both crimes against peace and genocide.

But there is no indication User:Conservative is bothered by any of this in his Russophobic 'intellectual' pursuit.

in 1919, he forged a friendship with the young Rudolf Hess, who became his scientific assistant and later rose to be the deputy leader of the Nazi Party, second in authority only to Hitler. In 1919, Haushofer successfully defended his second dissertation, and became Privatdozent for political geography at Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich, and was made a professor in 1933

There was no such thing as "geopolitics" in 1933. Haushofer, Hess, and Hitler made it popular and successful. But User:Conservative is oblivious to facts or history. The Russians aren't. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 00:13, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

This section is now addressing the analysis of an individual Conservapedia user, and therefore belongs in the community portal, not Talk:Main Page, since MPR isn't to advertise administrator intragripes. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 00:21, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

The resident geopolitical expert steered the discussion in this direction by commenting on this thread, and this is a subject of vast import to MPR and CP's editorial stance. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 00:29, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

You decided to bait him into this discussion by making an accusation about his statements which was proven to be flat-out false, so once again, your assertion in an effort to excuse yourself lacks credibility. I hope this clarifies matters. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 00:33, September 24, 2023 (EDT)