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Bad reviews of Xi Jinping get wiped on Amazon

Of the five Amazon reviewers of Xi Jinping: The Governance of China, three of them gave it five stars and two of them gave it one star. It's a troll-fest and all five reviewers are clearly mocking Xi. "I am definitely not being paid to say this," wrote one. The one star reviews are not going to stay up for long. According to Reuters, Xi's bad reviews get wiped. That's still better than what happens on Amazon.cn. They have no reviews or ratings at all. PeterKa (talk) 14:48, December 17, 2021 (EST)

This woman, Jennifer Zeng is one of the best sources for timely information about what is happening in China and the CCP, IMO, although her English is atrocious and hard to understand. Just turn on the Closed Captioning if it will help. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 21:34, December 18, 2021 (EST)
Zeng mentions this article in the Wall Street Journal: "Xi Jinping’s Leadership Style: Micromanagement That Leaves Underlings Scrambling Chinese president delves into the details of policy and sometimes issues cryptic instructions that officials go overboard trying to carry out." The apparent decision to end English tutoring a couple of months back was all a big misunderstanding, according to the article. A port got shut down over a single covid test result. Who would report results honestly after that? The information must have been leaked by one of Xi's rivals. Perhaps it was Party history research director Qu Qingshan, who has been playing Tribune Aquila to Xi's Caesar. ("that is, if Pontius Aquila will allow me"). PeterKa (talk) 10:32, December 19, 2021 (EST)
Good observations. A similar thing happened in Wuhan over the Chinese New Year in January 2020; a large gathering of 40,000 party members were exposed to covid cause local officials were afraid to send a warning up the food chain. Now, the New Year was on the 25th if I recall, and news of the outbreak came about the 19th. But everyone in China on social media knows Xi Jinping & the Politburo were aware of the outbreak by January 6th.
It's the Shanghai faction of Jiang Zemin that forms the Resistance and wants Xi out. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 11:34, December 19, 2021 (EST)
Jennifer Zeng is a Falungong practitioner. Epoch Times is the Falungong newspaper. Falungong is pushing the "Jiang Zemin is behind everything" theory. Jiang is 95 years old. PeterKa (talk) 20:14, December 19, 2021 (EST)
Not Jiang personally, the Jiang or Shanghai faction. I got the name of the guy who heads it up now somewhere, probably in the Xi article. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 00:05, December 20, 2021 (EST)
The big struggle now is for control of the extra-judicial 610 Office, which was founded by Jiang and staffed with Jiang loyalists, and Xi has been trying to purge and get control of. The 610 Office exists in every city, town, village, and hamlet, and does not answer to the regular party apparatus. That is one reason Jiang set it up and went on an anti-Falun Gong pogrom - too many party members were Falun Gong practitioners, and party members were its first targets.RobSLet's Go Brandon! 00:07, December 20, 2021 (EST)
National Pulse has now reported on the Amazon censorship. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 00:56, December 25, 2021 (EST)
Very good report on the Peng Shuai situation. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 03:07, December 25, 2021 (EST)

Military coup, 2024

Will a military coup finally bring Hillary to power in 2024? If it does, historians of the future will be able to point to an article in today's Washington Post as the moment when things started to fall into place: "3 retired generals: The military must prepare now for a 2024 insurrection." The three generals are Paul D. Eaton, Antonio M. Taguba, and Steven M. Anderson. These authors want to purge dissidents from the military and to "war game" strategies to use against Americans who exercise their first amendment rights following the 2024 election. PeterKa (talk) 20:44, December 17, 2021 (EST)

It appears as of now the Deep State is worried about Biden and openly wants him out, but also they are not so sure of Kamala, as well. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 22:15, December 17, 2021 (EST)
We may have to update the Biden Putsch article with this information; [1] I suspect we'll be hearing more about this (whoever the GOP nominee is) prior to Nov. 2024. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 20:56, December 20, 2021 (EST)
Update: Defense One: Click ‘Like’, Get Punished Under Pentagon’s New Anti-Extremism Policy. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 20:58, December 20, 2021 (EST)

Democrat game plan

Before the 2022 midterms, the Pelosi Panel will declare the J6 false flag attack an "insurrection", and Marc Elias will move to have GOP members of Congress removed and candidates disqualified. [2] RobSLet's Go Brandon! 19:43, December 23, 2021 (EST)

If they can somehow retain control of congress in 2022, the Dems can decertify Republican electors in 2024. They have already decided that a reasonable explanation for any Republican victory is "voter suppression." See "Presidential historian and former Biden speechwriter Jon Meacham claims White House run by Trump in 2024 will create constitutional crisis because 'whatever happens, he will claim he won' - as Dems press voting rights legislation."
Could the Supreme Court head off a coup? Americans seem to like the current court, which has a 6-3 conservative majority. It's reputation has rebounded in the last three months, that is to say, since the Texas abortion case. Gallup has proclaimed Justice John Roberts America's most admired political figure and the only one with bipartisan support.[3] Gallup was once the most admired pollster. Their presidential polling numbers were way off several times in a row, so they no longer attempt to predict elections. PeterKa (talk) 09:58, December 29, 2021 (EST)
The vaccine mandate question will be heard shortly, and should result in a quick decision. That will be a marked slap down on federal power, which Biden already backed off on over the weekend prolly cause he's anticipating a loss.
Update: As Expected, Timeline of January 6th Commission Highlights Mid-Term Election Intent, December 28, 2021 | Sundance. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 17:47, December 29, 2021 (EST)
NPR has a follow up. Once you parse through all the projection, its promoting the politicization of the military in preparation for a post-election coup in 2024. The Dems obviously expect to lose the election itself. PeterKa (talk) 15:24, December 31, 2021 (EST)
It's becoming increasingly obvious what the gameplan to derail a second term for Trump is: Sometime prior to primary season 2024, the Biden DOJ will attempt to tie up Trump in the courts with bogus insurrection charges. [4] RobSLet's Go Brandon! 20:00, January 9, 2022 (EST)
Yep, the J6 committee is trying to put together a criminal referral against Trump to Garland's DOJ. [5] The theory being, the 14th Amendment can bar Trump from office (as Marc Elias alleged last month). From Punchbowl:
Reps. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) and Scott Perry (R-Pa.) have now both told the Jan. 6 committee that they won’t voluntarily sit for interviews....The GOP pair’s refusal presents Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.), the select committee chair, and the House Democratic leadership with some tough decisions to make. Do they subpoena the Republicans and attempt to compel their testimony? What if the GOP lawmakers refuse to comply with those subpoenas? Would Democrats then initiate contempt proceedings? Or would the select committee have to go to court first just to issue the subpoena to Jordan or Perry? Thompson has said the panel is still reviewing whether it has the legal authority to do so. It would be an unprecedented step, however, and opens up some very sticky legal questions for this and future Congresses.
Another big question – What happens with House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, who also talked to Trump on Jan. 6? Is the select committee going to invite him to testify, and if so, when? And what happens when he says no as well? If GOP lawmakers don’t end up testifying – coupled with other witnesses' refusal to cooperate – it could potentially leave gaps in the select committee’s final report on the events of Jan. 6. The panel has interviewed hundreds of witnesses so far and uncovered extensive new evidence, yet these Republicans have critical information on what the former president was doing and saying that day. This information could be especially important if the panel ever puts together a criminal referral to the Justice Department on Trump.
[...] If the panel eventually seeks to have Trump testify, what happens when he refuses? Does Trump get a subpoena too? And a criminal referral if he doesn’t, as Mark Meadows, Trump’s former chief of staff has faced? Jordan’s Sunday night letter also raises a serious concern, one that may make constitutional or legal experts pause. Pay attention to this quote: “Your attempt to pry into the deliberative process informing a Member about legislative matters before the House is an outrageous abuse of the Select Committee’s authority. This unprecedented action served no legitimate legislative purpose and would set a dangerous precedent for future Congresses.” This sounds like Jordan is asserting his constitutional privilege under the “Speech or Debate Clause,” which protects lawmakers and staffers from questioning about legislative activity. But can a member assert the Speech or Debate privilege against Congress?
[...] the Ohio Republican was among those pushing a legal theory that Vice President Mike Pence had the authority to block certification of Joe Biden’s Electoral College victory. The gist of Jordan’s argument here is basically “So what?” Congress’ certification of the Electoral College is required by law. As a member of Congress, Jordan has a right to be involved in any debate tied to those congressional proceedings. Jordan – who spoke to Trump on Jan. 6 – also notes he had no role in the security posture for the Capitol that day. Jordan, in fact, was in the House chamber during the attack.
[...] So this a pivotal moment for the select committee’s probe.
Comment: "no legitimate legislative purpose." This is the language of SCOTUS that barred Congress from going on a fishing expedition of Trump's taxes. IOWs, Congress would have to be considering new legislation on tax reform to justify subpoenas to look at Trump's taxes. And they couldn't just single out one man to look at his taxes, either. They have to get a representative sample of a whole class of income earners. So pay attention (or better yet ignore) how these beltway propaganda exercises are reported. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 06:55, January 10, 2022 (EST)

Harris gets Embarrassed

In an interview with Cameltoe Harris, Charlemagne tha god starts asking the wrong questions. Her people interrupt, and when he repeats his question, asking whether Senator Joe Manchin's resistance to the admin's policies undermine Sleepy Joe's authority as president, Cameltoe becomes very angry and gets very accusatory. Vince Did 7-14 (talk) 20:42, December 18, 2021 (EST)

"NO, NO, NO! DoN't StArT tAlKiNg LiKe A rEpUbLiCan! ANDITSJOBA- ANDITSJOBA -AND ITS JOE BIDEN" Vince Did 7-14 (talk) 20:42, December 18, 2021 (EST)
The most hilarious thing about this is, Charlemagne was asking a sympathetic question, who has the cahoonies to stand up to Manchin so we can start feeding at the Build Back Better trough? Then Symone Sanders, who has one foot out the door already cause she's tired of Kamala's dysfunctional office and wants to save her own career, steps in. The big lesson here is, how in speaking to a primarily Black audience and faced with tuff questions, she resorts to spewing hate as the word "Republican" glibly rolls off her tongue as the default program response. Blacks have picked up on this treatment for a long time; the question is, how long will they keep falling for it (it was to Charlemagne that Biden spewed the same when asked a tuff question, "If you don't vote for me, you ain't Black." Sooner or later Charlemagne will recognize the responsibility he has to his community and take it more seriously). RobSLet's Go Brandon! 21:17, December 18, 2021 (EST)
And the last time Kamala spoke to Charlemagne, her own father rebuked her for implying Jamaicans were pleasure seeking dope smokers. Tulsi Gabbard tore her apart for her comments on Charlemagne's show in a debate which ended her presidential run. You'd think, "fool me once shame on you fool me twice....". What is most obvious, New York blacks see right through both Kamala and Biden, despite whatever crap New York-based MSM & AOC try to tell us. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 21:57, December 18, 2021 (EST)
That reminds me, there's an old saying in Tennessee—I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, 'Fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me—you can't get fooled again.' Vince Did 7-14 (talk) 16:17, December 19, 2021 (EST)
On top of that, I got hairy legs that turn blonde in the sun. The kids used to come up and reach in the pool & rub my leg down so it was straight & watch the hair come back up again. So I learned about roaches, I learned about kids jumping on my lap, and I love kids jumping on my lap. Vince Did 7-14 (talk) 16:17, December 19, 2021 (EST)
Even Cyberdemon531, who's as dumb as a rock and a 20-something Antifa member, ain't buying Kamala's BS. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 22:21, December 18, 2021 (EST)
Who wants to update the Kamala Harris article?
Kamala Harris says ‘democracy’ is biggest national security threat in CBS interview, NY Post
Kamala Harris Insists Ballot Harvesting, Midnight Drop Boxes, Locking Out Election Observers, and No ID Laws Is About “Keeping Our Standing in the World”, Gatewaypundit
You could toss in Charlemagne Tha God, too. Incidentally, GWP got 1 billion hits in 2021, so it passes into mainstream. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 17:52, December 29, 2021 (EST)

Hong Kong voters stay home

After the 2016 Hong Kong election, China disqualified winning candidates until they got a pro-Beijing majority in LegCo, the city council. Under rules adopted in March, every candidate was vetted in advance this time around. Only 22 percent of the council will be elected, compared to 50 percent last time. See "Hong Kong: LegCo vote after electoral overhaul sees record low turnout." PeterKa (talk) 15:22, December 19, 2021 (EST)

Francis Collins leaves NIH

CNN interviewed outgoing NIH Director Francis Collins. He and Fauci were responsible for signing off on gain-of-function research grants. Somehow, CNN didn't ask Collins anything about Wuhan or gain-of-function research. Instead, we get gossip about how terrible Trump and Republicans are -- and how wonderful Fauci is. Even Louis XIV couldn't pull off a humdinger like this: "Can you imagine a circumstance where the director of the NIH, somebody who believes in science, would submit to political pressures and fire the greatest expert in infectious disease that the world has known, just to satisfy political concerns?" The vaccine makers must be paying this guy a fortune. PeterKa (talk) 19:25, December 19, 2021 (EST)

Collins is another one who needs to be prosecuted. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 20:36, December 21, 2021 (EST)

Gsihlaine Maxwell

Jimmy the Weasel Comey's daughter made the closing arguments. In it, she mentions the crimes against Virginia Roberts, who was never called to testify. [6] RobSLet's Go Brandon! 12:16, December 20, 2021 (EST) Scratch that, it was Allison Moe who made the closing arguments. Is the Biden DOJ giving reason to acquit, or setting up a win on appeal? RobSLet's Go Brandon! 12:20, December 20, 2021 (EST)

Maureen Comey pulled it off. She got convictions on Maxwell without dragging Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, Prince Phillip and others' names into it. The Biden DOJ was able to affect this coverup by bringing in witnesses who testified only to Maxwell grooming them for the deceased Epstein, and not for the global elite's rich and powerful. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 18:26, December 29, 2021 (EST)

Right on que

Deep State propaganda apparatus announces "US Army Creates Single Vaccine Effective Against All COVID, SARS Variants"

Within weeks, scientists at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research expect to announce that they have developed a vaccine that protects people from COVID-19 and all its variants, even Omicron, as well as from previous SARS-origin viruses that have killed millions of people worldwide. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 20:14, December 21, 2021 (EST)

Merry Christmas

Let's Go Brandon. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 15:27, December 24, 2021 (EST)

Merry Christmas to all, even to those who we deem to be our enemy.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:15, December 25, 2021 (EST)

Will Harris resign in favor of Hillary?

Maybe she will. Maybe she won't. Either way, you're a sexist if you think so: "Kamala Harris seeks counsel from Hillary Clinton for 'a path forward'." PeterKa (talk) 01:28, December 26, 2021 (EST)

Wow. Has she admitted to herself she's a failure? According to the article, Hillary's advice seems to be the rest of us and media need to realize what bigots we are. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 02:08, December 26, 2021 (EST)
The Innis Maggiore Ad Agency, which works with major corporations, says concerning rebranding/repositioning: "When a brand’s meaning is strongly established in the mind, it’s extremely difficult — if not impossible — to change. It is possible to refine, adjust and hone a brand’s meaning when necessary. But repositioning a brand with a wholesale change? Hardly a chance."[7] The Kamala Harris brand is already cemented in the public's mind because she has done such a bad job.
On top of this, Joe Biden or Kamala is not going to do anything substantial about the border which dooms a future Harris presidency as Biden put her in charge of fixing the border. He did this purposefully to hamstring her chances of taking over the presidency due to his mental incapacity ever being challenged.
So stick a fork in Kamala Harris' chance of ever being president. It will never happen. Conservative (talk) 03:45, December 26, 2021 (EST)

Potential red wave in 2022 midterms and Democrats unexpected success in gerrymandering/redistricting

I still think higher Republican turnout (opposition party has the advantage), inflation, crime, Biden's low approval numbers, the southern border crisis and Republicans bashing critical race theory will wreak havoc on the Democrats in the 2022 midterm elections, but I thought the Republicans were going to do better at redistricting/gerrymandering.Conservative (talk) 06:24, December 26, 2021 (EST)

The "critical race theory" issue has two sides to it; Dems will call critics white supremacists and racists. So it should be reframed as an issue of "democracy" in school board elections at the local level. It also then ties with election integrity. And remember "threats to democracy" is a big Democrat issue.
We need more of a national consensus, with help from Blacks, that CRT is racism. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 13:34, December 26, 2021 (EST)
I looked at the article. Republican states are doing traditional pro-incumbent gerrymandering while several Democrat-controlled states are gerrymandering to increase their partisan advantage. I don't trust this article because it claims that the current districting favors Republicans. In 2020, the Dems won 51 percent of the votes but 53 percent of the seats. PeterKa (talk) 17:36, December 26, 2021 (EST)

Mistreatment of political prisoners...am I missing something?

I've read Solzhenitsyn and Sakharov and accounts from Soviet dissidents. I've read Farrar-Hockley, Edward Hunter and various psychologists on the techniques used by the North Koreans. I've read accounts by political prisons from China to Chile, from Cambodia to Cuba. I've spoken with former political prisoners from Vietnam and Argentina. I have yet to see anything about the conditions of the January 6th prisoners that comes anywhere near those accounts. Am I missing something? Rafael (talk) 13:45, December 26, 2021 (EST)

They are in jail because they supported Trump and are therefore political prisoners. The vast majority of those arrested just walked around the Capitol like tourists.
BLM, meanwhile, spent the summer of 2020 rioting and looting. The FBI didn't bother them. We learned from the Rittenhouse trial that the FBI had drones and videotaped everything. PeterKa (talk) 17:25, December 26, 2021 (EST)
I understand all that and the political nature of the prosecutions. My question is with the word "mistreatmeant". Are the conditions under which these people are held really comparable with the gulags? Are they denied legal representation or access to their families and the outside world? Are they subject to psychological experiments? Starved, beaten and tortured? Like I said, I haven't seen anything but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. Can anyone shine further light on this for us foreigners? Rafael (talk) 10:28, December 27, 2021 (EST)
When did trespass become insurrection, a crime punishable by death? Many have lost their jobs, homes, and families. Others have endured beatings and solitary confinement. Legal representation has been denied. Medical treatment has been denied. They are fed substandard food. And there have been deaths in custody, likely due to denial of medical treatment. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 13:54, December 27, 2021 (EST)
Oh, yes. They have also been subjected to involuntary medical experiments. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 13:56, December 27, 2021 (EST)
Julie Kelly has done the most extensive research on these human rights abuses thus far. Should any of the 532 victims of the Democrats extermination campaign survive, their testimonies can be added to the existing record. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 14:19, December 27, 2021 (EST)
In furtherance of Rob's comments, the political prisoners in D.C. have been held in solitary confinement (which is recognized form of torture), and have been denied visitation by congressmen. Apparently the warden of the "DC Gulag," as it's being called, is a strident anti-Trumper. [8]
In other mistreatments of political prisoners throughout history, were they also tortured by exposure to a deadly communist-made virus? Was solitary confinement and denial of visitation used as much as in the DC Gulag?--Andy Schlafly (talk) 16:25, December 27, 2021 (EST)
As someone who recently waxed lyrical about Denisovich, you should probably get a grip. Oh, and check whether PSAE are on the hook for Ed's legal fees. He has a tendency to leave organisations considerably poorer than when he found them. ConwayIII (talk) 20:01, December 27, 2021 (EST)
So, Conway, I presume then that you support what's being done to the J6 political prisoners by the Biden regime-employed prison guards? Northwest (talk) 20:50, December 27, 2021 (EST)
In furtherance of Northwest's comment, Leftist Dems may think it's a winning issue to persecute random Americans and treat many of them harshly as political prisoners. Or perhaps a few petty liberal tyrants are just being vindictive. Regardless, as Trump and others make an issue of this mistreatment of the political prisoners, watch the Left quickly retreat on the issue.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 22:17, December 27, 2021 (EST)

Joe Biden and his administration are so foolish. If Biden would have given credit to the Trump administration for the vaccine development he could have gotten Trump to endorse the vaccine more forcefully at an earlier date. Only after Biden gave Trump administration credit for vaccine development did Trump increase his endorsement of vaccination.

And now the Biden administration is needlessly causing January 6, 2021 martyrs so to speak (not sure about deaths in custody as far as causes of death).

Biden and the Democrats are doing so much damage to the Democrat brand by moving leftward. When the midterm elections arrive they will receive a shellacking. On top of this, they are losing more and more of the Latino and African American male vote.

It's not good for a political party to lose its competitiveness. It causes the other party to be complaisant. It's too bad the Democrats are not more like Truman/JFK Democrats. Conservative (talk) 21:59, December 27, 2021 (EST)

At least the Democrats have Joe Manchin to be a bulwark against their too far leftward drift. Conservative (talk) 22:07, December 27, 2021 (EST)
I have a question. How much damage did the left leaning Jeremy Corbyn do to the Labour Party in the UK? Have they recovered yet? I am asking because I am wondering how much damage Biden will do to the Democrat brand. Conservative (talk) 22:19, December 27, 2021 (EST)
I think I found the answer to my question: THE CONTINUED COLLAPSE OF THE LABOUR PARTY, 2021
The same thing that happened to the Labour Party's fortunes will probably happen to the Democrats. There is a political price to going to far to the left in the UK or the USA. Conservative (talk) 22:28, December 27, 2021 (EST)
I've seen estimates of about 24 or 40 political prisoners being held in the DC Gulag. Have you seen any recent estimate of the number still being imprisoned and denied basic rights in the DC Gulag?--Andy Schlafly (talk) 00:03, December 28, 2021 (EST)
The DC prison is an aging facility known for its bad conditions. See: Rare tour inside DC Jail offers insight into inmate conditions. It might be the case that both political and nonpolitical prisoners are treated badly. And it might be a matter of degrees of how bad the conditions are between political and nonpolitical prisoners.
A prison run by Democrats is known for its bad conditions. Who would have guessed that this would the case? A look at Democrat run cities is a good clue that their prisons are often bad too. Conservative (talk) 00:17, December 28, 2021 (EST)
Update: Dec. 24, 2021, 14 GOP Lawmakers Sign Letter to DC Mayor Bowser to Fire Deputy Warden Landerkin Who Allows Torture of DC Political Prisoners. Robert Barnes just reported on VivaBarnes that because of the 14,000 hours of video, the prisoners do not have the resources for defense attorneys. Barnes may get involved in the case. The Revolver article states that after the Ray Epps Breach Team knocked down a barrier leading to this perimeter of the Capitol, anyone within that perimeter can be held without bail for 1 year. The FBI entrapped Trump rally goers coming from the rally headed toward the Capitol within that perimeter. [9]
Barnes incidentally, brought in the jury selection experts for the Kyle Rittenhouse trial. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 01:02, December 28, 2021 (EST)
Breaking news: Robert Barnes will be representing the complainant in Don Lemon's homosexual assault trial, January 3, 2022. Also, he says when the vaccine mandate cases are settled (SCOTUS to hear it early next month), he then may have time to get involved in J6 political prisoners cases. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 03:48, December 29, 2021 (EST)
Update: Barnes also represents Dr. Robert Malone, inventor of the mRNA vaccine who was just unpersoned by Twitter. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 19:33, December 29, 2021 (EST)
The idiots mostly "entrapped" themselves with boatloads of social media evidence showing a) they travelled to DC fully intent on a day of seditious criming, and b) self-shot video footage showing them doing lots of the seditious criming they'd said they were going to do. Trying to make martyrs of these morons is one of the dumbest hills this site has ever picked to die on. ConwayIII (talk) 14:25, December 28, 2021 (EST)
And yet, those now being illegally held without charge were misled by the real instigators of the J6 riot that was part of the Democrats' coup against the Trump administration, Democrat-employed FBI agents and Antifa brownshirts. Safe to say, Conway, that you and your fellow liberals have picked your own dumb hill to die on. Northwest (talk) 15:17, December 28, 2021 (EST)
Let's get something clarified to cease the ambiguity: among the January 6 protesters, a subset being those who breached the Capitol building, included those who were violent and those who weren't. Those who did not partake in the violence should not be punished in a cruel and unusual manner, while I have little to no sympathy for those who physically assaulted police officers or directly incited violence. Being someone who firmly believes in justice, the violent thugs, whether secret FBI agents or not, can rot in solitary confinement for all I care after the sheer damage they caused. —LT (The Old Right was right!) Tuesday, 16:16, December 28, 2021 (EST)
The evidence points to FBI infiltrators who breached the barricades and entrapped rally goers with bullhorns into the restricted zone. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 16:28, December 28, 2021 (EST)
Perhaps, though are supposed to believe that zero Trump supporters had been inciting or partaking in the violence? People on the right always like to remind leftists of uncomfortable truths the latter don't like to hear, though conservatives need to be objective and not become the type of people they frequently bash as "snowflakes." I'm increasingly tired of the poor "logic" being infiltrated into the conservative movement by self-described right-wing populists who act as Trojan horses for sinister plots. —LT (The Old Right was right!) Tuesday, 16:40, December 28, 2021 (EST)
(ec) Once inside the restricted zone, FenceCutterBulwark cut down the restricted zone fencing. The FBI is not looking for this man. [10] RobSLet's Go Brandon! 16:41, December 28, 2021 (EST)
I refer you back to a) and b) above. Tons of self-generated evidence on social media, basically riffing on the theme of "Look Ma! I'm criming just like I said I would!" ConwayIII (talk) 16:43, December 28, 2021 (EST)
@Northwest: You're confusing pre-trial detention with being held without charge. The party line here is "gulag" not "Gitmo". ConwayIII (talk) 16:47, December 28, 2021 (EST)
And yet, the Biden regime has not bothered to put those they're illegally holding in the DC gulag on trial (which would be nothing but a show trial anyway, and they know it) but are content to just let them sit and stew without charge, just like the good little Communists/Nazis the regime are showing themselves as. Northwest (talk) 16:52, December 28, 2021 (EST)
They've all been charged. Stop saying they haven't. Thanks, ConwayIII (talk) 17:07, December 28, 2021 (EST)
No they haven't. Meet Ray Epps, Part 2: Damning New Details Emerge Exposing Massive Web Of Unindicted Operators At The Heart Of January 6, December 18, 2021. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 17:22, December 28, 2021 (EST)
All the J6 defendants on pre-trial detention been charged. That's what pre-trial detention is. No-one is sitting indefinitely in a US jail "without charge". You need to put someone in Gitmo to pull that trick. ConwayIII (talk) 19:19, December 28, 2021 (EST)
Yes, "sitting in detention", whereas "unindicted co-conspirators" as referred to in indictments have not been arrested or charged even when known to the FBI. None are on the FBI's Wanted List. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 19:27, December 28, 2021 (EST)
There apparently is developing some overlap in personnel between the 18-man Whitmer kidnap plot, 12 of which were FBI agents or informants, and "capitol insurrectionists". RobSLet's Go Brandon! 19:36, December 28, 2021 (EST)
"Pre-trial detention"???? Is that a joke by ConwayIII? The Sixth Amendment requires a speedy trial. The Speedy Trial Act requires a speedy trial. That means a trial within a little more than 2 months, not a year and counting. Obviously the political prisoners are being held in inhumane conditions until they "confess" and say they no longer support Trump, as apparently a few have been virtually tortured to do.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 20:46, December 28, 2021 (EST)
Ray Epps Compilation video. Why hasn't Ray Epps been arrested or charged? RobSLet's Go Brandon! 16:46, December 28, 2021 (EST)
I suppose you have a fair point, ConwayIII. It would appear that some of the violent thugs probably weren't FBI agents. Unfortunately most people vouching for the jailed January 6 protesters don't seem to sufficiently distinguish between the violent and peaceful protesters, contributing to the ambiguity that lets leftists accuse conservatives of defending political violence. —LT (The Old Right was right!) Tuesday, 16:49, December 28, 2021 (EST)
The J6 insurrection was little different than the 2014 Maidan Revolution, or any other number of Color Revolutions the U.S. has perfected with experience, beginning with the 1954 Iranian revolution. In this instance, there wasn't even a language barrier. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 16:53, December 28, 2021 (EST)
Neither the FBI, nor the J6 Committee, are even looking for Ray Epps, the ScaffoldCommander, or FenceCutterBulwark.
Interestingly, many unindicted conspirators caught on video all wore fire-retardant jackets (originally designed for use in the oil and gas industry). RobSLet's Go Brandon! 17:06, December 28, 2021 (EST)

Biden regime human rights abuses

Title I of the Speedy Trial Act of 1974, 88 Stat. 2080, as amended August 2, 1979, 93 Stat. 328, is set forth in 18 U.S.C. §§ 3161-3174... A defendant's rights under the Speedy Trial Clause of the Sixth Amendment are triggered by "either a formal indictment or information or else the actual restraints imposed by arrest and holding to answer a criminal charge."[11]

The January 2021 United States Capitol attack is nearly one year ago. Why are there still people in jail awaiting trial? It doesn't appear as if justice is being observed. But maybe I am missing something. When were these people arrested? Conservative (talk) 18:37, December 28, 2021 (EST)

Revolver News reports, [12]
"when the DOJ indicted Oath Keeper Jeremy Brown in September for “trespassing on restricted grounds” (18 US Code § 1752), the Justice Department explained that any January 6 protester who stepped foot within the red line below had committed a federal crime and could be kept in prison without bail until a criminal trial 12+ months away." RobSLet's Go Brandon! 18:52, December 28, 2021 (EST)
[Comment:IOWs, because we are talking about alleged crimes on federal property, it's probably a different section of the federal criminal code.] RobSLet's Go Brandon! 18:56, December 28, 2021 (EST)
Congressional Report Details Squalid ConditIons Faced By Jan. 6 Defendants, December 2021.Conservative (talk) 18:54, December 28, 2021 (EST)
The Congressional report claims some Jan. 6 inmates seemed in desperate need of medical help. One inmate, 71-year-old Leroy Coffman, showed the delegation that one of his forearms had turned purple, and his thumb black, but said he was being denied medical treatment.[13] Conservative (talk) 18:57, December 28, 2021 (EST)
  • Christopher Worrell, has Non-Hodgkin’s Lymphoma (cancer) and he has been refused any medical treatment for his condition in the six months he has been held. His condition is worsening. His confinement, let alone his lack of treatment, are unwarranted. Worrell never entered the Capitol building on January 6th. [14]
  • Guy Wesley Reffit, while in custody, required hospitalization for three days in an intensive care unit because jail personnel did not provide him his prescribed medicine. (per CP article). RobSLet's Go Brandon! 19:05, December 28, 2021 (EST)
Congrats on finally discovering you have a brutal carceral system, and one frequently staffed by some of the dumbest and most mean-spirited cretins your country has to offer. I have so much to tell you if you're interested, but I suspect your outrage here is entirely selective. ConwayIII (talk) 19:25, December 28, 2021 (EST)
Your reference to the Biden/Clinton New Jim Crow is somewhat out of place here, but there is a commonality in that we are talking about federal law. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 19:41, December 28, 2021 (EST)
All as you choose to ignore that those cretins, as you call them, are Biden regime hires. Sorry, Conway, but truths that are inconvenient to liberals will tell. Northwest (talk) 19:44, December 28, 2021 (EST)
We have state laws and state prisons. We also have federal laws and federal prisons. If we were to end the "misappropriated Senate" and terminate equal representation of the states, we wouldn't need state law at all. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 19:55, December 28, 2021 (EST)
You're gibbering at this point, man.
@Northwest: You'll have walk me through the bit where the Biden "regime" has managed to appoint every single guard across the entire US prison estate. I'm quietly confident many of them will have been in post prior to January 20, 2021. ConwayIII (talk) 20:08, December 28, 2021 (EST)
You know that's bs. They are federal civil servants.
Now, tell me about the cretin civil servants in state prisons. It is not state judges who apply mandatory federal sentencing guidelines (authored by Joseph R. Biden) to people of color arrested for drug crimes. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 20:13, December 28, 2021 (EST)

One day, man, I'll fly over and treat you to drinks in a black neighbourhood bar just to watch you explain all the tireless work you've been doing here. I'm certain it'll end well. ConwayIII (talk) 20:54, December 28, 2021 (EST)

I learned today that the Washington D.C. prison system is run by the federal government. As noted above, Congressional Report Details Squalid ConditIons Faced By Jan. 6 Defendants, December 2021. Ergo, the Biden Administration is being abusive to January 6, 2021 defendants. The airtight logic is inescapable ConwayIII. Deny this matter and lose all credibility. Conservative (talk) 21:34, December 28, 2021 (EST)
Pay attention, man:
  1. The administration of the day is no more responsible for the hiring and actions of individual grunt-level federal prison guards than it is for the hiring and actions of individual wand-wavers & friskers in the TSA. Your cavity search got a little bit rapey at Dulles? That's rotten luck, but it's not Joe Biden's fault, nor of his administration more broadly.
  2. The US prison service, both at federal and state level, routinely brutalises its inmates in ways that amount to cruel & unusual punishment. This happens across the board and the J6 defendants are not being singled out for any special treatment here. It's just what happens in your rotten system and guards routinely skate thanks to qualified immunity.
  3. Be angry all you like, but nuts to selective outrage on this issue.
Thanks, ConwayIII (talk) 21:53, December 28, 2021 (EST)
It's not normal or lawful to deny dozens of prisoners their right to a speedy trial. Federal law says the trial must in 70 days. Yet as the calendar turns to 2022, not one of them have obtained their trial. Why? Because they are brutalized in jail until they "confess" (renounce their support of Trump). The strategy of Dems and the Biden Administration on this is not fooling anyone who looks at it objectively.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 21:59, December 28, 2021 (EST)
ConwayIII, after all is said and done, as President Harry Truman said, "The buck stops here".[15] Biden is responsible for the abuse of the January 6, 2021 defendants. Conservative (talk) 22:09, December 28, 2021 (EST)
OK. So your considered position is that every US president in history is responsible for every criminal action committed by every federal employee during their presidency? Good luck with that one. ConwayIII (talk) 22:19, December 28, 2021 (EST)
@Andy (moved from above): You could drive a truck through the exceptions & loopholes in the Speedy Trial Act, and the Sixth Amendment case law offers scant assistance for the vast majority of defendants. The "inhumane" conditions you lament are a standard feature of the US prison system and I look forward to your continuing concern on this issue re. everyone else caught up in it. ConwayIII (talk) 22:07, December 28, 2021 (EST)
Frank Marshall Davis said to Barack Obama, "Son, if you ever get in control of the FBI, take those MFers and turn them on the Repulicans." Seeing the FBI has created enough enemies on both the left and right, we are rapidly getting to the day the FBI will be dissolved in the same way the SchutzStaffell and Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti were. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 23:21, December 28, 2021 (EST)
As Trump said, Are we living in Nazi Germany? Interesting, Trump made that comment on the same day Ron Klain and Anthony Fauci were promising that Donald Trump would experience a pandemic, and the day before Sally Yates and James Comey signed off on the bogus FISA warrant to renew surveillance on the President of the United States after he was sworn in. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 23:33, December 28, 2021 (EST)


The D.C. prison system is run by the D.C. civil government, which answers to the U.S. Congress, not the Executive Branch. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 22:22, December 28, 2021 (EST)

Likewise Metro Police. Likewise the D.C. Attorney General (not to be confused with Merrick Garland).

Now, the U.S. Attorney in the D.C. Office has brought the charges, but they are held in the city jail, which Congress, Pelosi, and the Democrat Majority have some power and influence over.

Merrick Garland gives direction to the U.S. Attorney in the District of Columbia, who have filed the bogus trumped up charges. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 22:28, December 28, 2021 (EST)

Prison conditions throughout the US & world

ConwayIII, what percentage of Biden's Build Back Better bill is devoted to improving the prison conditions of the January 6, 2021 defendants? Zero?
Big government advocates like ConwayIII tend to pine on how great big government is. But they scream like a banshee when you point out government failings. It's too bad that Fauci's gain of function research money wasn't used to improve Washington D.C.'s jails. Conservative (talk) 00:04, December 29, 2021 (EST)
ConwayIII, doesn't Joe Biden purport to be a Catholic?
"I was in prison and you visited Me." - Jesus (Matthew 25:36}
The Washington D.C. jails are close to the White House. How many times has Joe Biden visited them? How many times has Joe Biden visited the January 6, 2021 defendants?
An excerpt of Joe Biden's Executive Order on Reforming Our Incarceration System to Eliminate the Use of Privately Operated Criminal Detention Facilities, JANUARY 26, 2021, PRESIDENTIAL ACTIONS: "By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows: "More than two million people are currently incarcerated in the United States, including a disproportionate number of people of color. There is broad consensus that our current system of mass incarceration imposes significant costs and hardships on our society and communities and does not make us safer. To decrease incarceration levels, we must reduce profit-based incentives to incarcerate by phasing out the Federal Government’s reliance on privately operated criminal detention facilities. We must ensure that our Nation’s incarceration and correctional systems are prioritizing rehabilitation and redemption. Incarcerated individuals should be given a fair chance to fully reintegrate into their communities, including by participating in programming tailored to earning a good living, securing affordable housing, and participating in our democracy as our fellow citizens. However, privately operated criminal detention facilities consistently underperform Federal facilities with respect to correctional services, programs, and resources. We should ensure that time in prison prepares individuals for the next chapter of their lives. The Federal Government also has a responsibility to ensure the safe and humane treatment of those in the Federal criminal justice system."[16]
Joe Biden is not fulfilling his executive order nor is he practicing his Catholicism in relation to Washington D.C. prison inmates. Conservative (talk)
ConwayII, by the way, check user indicates that you are in the UK.
The report has been published as prison leaders consider how to “build back better” following nearly two years of severe restrictions brought about by the coronavirus pandemic, and a decade of declining standards in jails in England and Wales."[17]
A 2021 report from the Prison Reform Trust which is an independent UK charity working to create a just, humane and effective prison system in the UK: "Contributions such as 'I don’t have toilet roll, I don’t have a toilet seat, when that’s in place we can think about a new regime' act as a salutary reminder that issues of basic decency still have to be resolved. Only when these are addressed can there be the stable foundation on which to build a new, better regime."[18]
ConwayIII, your queen lives in a palace while there are UK prison inmates who lack toilet paper and toilet seats!
Before you pontificate to Americans on their prison systems, perhaps you should do more to fix your own countries prison system. Conservative (talk) 06:52, December 29, 2021 (EST)
Have I confused you with the term selective outrage? I ask because I'm clearly using it as a (valid) criticism of your position and yet you're responding with more of it.
In case you're interested, the smart play looks something like this:
  1. Yes, conditions in US prisons are often brutal.
  2. On reflection, you're correct the J6 defendants aren't being singled out in this respect.
  3. However, as a practising Catholic and as someone who ran on uniting the country, Biden has an opportunity to show mercy here that he's singularly failing to grasp.
  4. Improvements in prison conditions should obviously happen across the board, but by prioritising the J6 defendants, he could send a clear and timely message re. the importance of Christian mercy in these deeply troubled times.
The nice thing about the above is you get to be logically and morally consistent, and look like you have a passing interest in one of the key tenets of your faith. Generally, the trick is to concede narrow factual points when it's unavoidable (instead of doubling down and blustering), and then pivot back as gracefully as possible to whatever you can salvage of your original position. If you're paying attention, you should see the above gives you viable versions of both a) the J6 defendants are being kept in rotten conditions, and b) Joe Biden deserves criticism for not doing anything about it. Effective rhetoric ftw. ConwayIII (talk) 17:19, December 29, 2021 (EST)
Wait, "as a practising Catholic ..."; remember when Dianne Feinstein voted against Amy Coney Barrett cause that Catholic "dogma lives loudly within you"? I'm really confused now. Besides, practicing Catholics have to go to confession and communion weekly. Now, it's possible Biden found a renegade priest to service him for the past 47 years, but I've read nothing about that. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 17:38, December 29, 2021 (EST)
Ben is welcome to tweak the wording. "Purported" would be closer to his original bluster, but if we're talking effective rhetoric, it's a needless jab at a regular churchgoer and rather undermines the thrust of 3) and 4). ConwayIII (talk) 17:56, December 29, 2021 (EST)
The prison systems in much of the developed world are likely not going to get better because aging populations are going to need more resources. On the other hand, old people don't engage in as much crime. So I am not going to expect American prisons to get better anytime soon.
On a brighter note, in the USA the nonreligious/irreligious are going to peak around 2043 and then start declining for the rest of the 20th century (see: American atheism and Desecularization). This is going to be a good thing in terms of crime (see: Religion and crime reduction) Conservative (talk) 22:05, December 29, 2021 (EST)
Hey, wait a minute. Rebuilding America's prison infrastructure in the 1980s and 1990s is the legacy of the Baby Boom generation. Our parents had to rebuild the nation's schools and hospital's, many of which dated back to before the Great Depression and WWII, to accommodate our large numbers. When the Boomers grew up, America's prison infrastructure often dated back to the Reconstruction era with no upgrades or improvements. America's modern prison infrastructure is our gift to posterity - until such a time as another boom in population will require more prisons. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 23:32, December 29, 2021 (EST)

The boomers also had a lot of divorces. Divorces lead to fatherless homes and crime. Conservative (talk) 00:54, December 30, 2021 (EST)

Yah, but the issue is simply of demographic increase. By the mid and late 1950s, elementary school class sizes were suddenly 30-50% larger than what the classrooms built decades earlier could accommodate. If you look around you, you will see a very large expansion in schools built in the 1950s. As the population grew, hospitals, police forces, etc. all needed to be expanded, as well. By the 1970s, when all boomers were in the workforce, they suddenly were faced with the burden of locking up their fellow boomers of the Charlie Manson generation and other brainwashed Marxist individuals cause the existing dungeons and prisons (never a high priority for government spending) were full-up with life-termers from the previous generation. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 01:56, December 30, 2021 (EST)
My home state of Wisconsin offers a good example what has happened throughout the nation. Wisconsin prides itself as never having had the death penalty since statehood, the longest existing government on the planet today with a record of never having executed anyone. It's first adult prison opened in 1851, and housed women until 1933. Progressive Wisconsin has always had work camps and prison farms, and opened "the nation's first modern medium security prison for men" in 1962. [19] Then along came the boomer generation in its late teens and early 20s. In 1972 the state converted the "Children's Reformatory" over to its second "Maximum Security" prison for men (120 years after the founding of the first - which at various times housed both men and women medium and maximum offenders). Between 1972 and 1999, it's built another dozen or so Medium and Maximum facilities.
When the boomers die off, they'll leave this prison infrastructure behind, which will probably serve for another 100-120 years before building new prisons becomes a necessary priority again. And what has happened in Wisconsin has been replicated by scale proportionate to population throughout the nation.
Brief note on capital punishment: The number of people executed in recent decades certainly would not require big expansion of facilities anywhere in the country if there were no capital punishment. The significance of the Wisconsin experiment is the progressive belief that prisoners could be rehabilitated, which is neither the law nor a very widespread belief throughout the country. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 02:43, December 30, 2021 (EST)
As to divorce, boomers did not build the prisons to lock up their children. They built them to lock up each other. And it's fortunate for other generations before and after, that they were not required to do so - they could rest on the laurels of their forebears. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 02:50, December 30, 2021 (EST)
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