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'Yats is the guy'

Ukrainian neo-Nazi Oleh Tyahnybok with (left) Victoria Nuland (center), Yarsenyi Yatsenyuk, and (right) Vitali Klitschko (rear).

During the Maidan coup, the notorious "F the EU" conversation between State Dept employees Victoria Nuland and Amb Pyatt when they were deciding on which puppet to make Prime Minister, Nuland said, "Yats is the guy. He's got the governing experience bla bla bla". Well, "Yats", or Arseniy Yatsenyuk apparently now has had an epiphany about Nazism in Ukraine. Is he ambling for a job in a post-Zelensky Ukraine? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:10, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

France looks like Bakhmut

[3][4][5][6] Is this the end result of supplying Storm Shadow missiles to Ukraine in a hybrid war? What goes around comes around.

The US and NATO have a 9 year head start in spreading terrorism in Russian and Ukraine. Maybe the Russians are only getting started. And the US "color revolution" playbook is largely stolen from the global communist National Liberation Movement playbook, with modern technology upgrades. The KGB taught the CIA everything it knows.

"Zelensky may be an SOB, but he's our SOB." RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:16, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Just as the United States trains terrorists to subvert a society from within, as they did in Ukraine and Libya, attempted in Syria, are now actively doing in Belarus, Russia, Armenia and other former Soviet Republics, are doing in Thailand, Sri Lanka and Pakistan, it's an old trick they learned from the Soviet Communists. The USSR did it in the United States in the 1960s during the Vietnam war - and eventually won the war when they convinced American public opinion to turn against the war and their leaders (you all just witnessed the CIA's amateurish and lame attempts to get the Russian people to turn against Putin and the war with a drone strike on the Kremlin and the Wagner mutiny. It had the opposite effect of strengthening public support for the war against NATO, and seeing NATO as an existential threat to Russia's existence. None of that was censored in Russia's supposed "dictatorship" or media). This is why talk of a "negotiated settlement" in Ukraine is ridiculous, cause the hybrid terrorist attacks will continue in Russia, and eventually reprisal actions will come to America. This hybrid terrorist war will continue for decades - until we get rid of the globalist fascists from the Davos party who run the planet. We need leaders willing to make peace. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:25, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

UKRAINIAN PROPAGANDIST DMITRY GORDON SAYS THE FRANCE SITUATION IS RUSSIA'S FAULT. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:13, July 3, 2023 (EDT)

Did a mercenary order a pizza with missile topping?

[7] RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:55, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Note: What's interesting about Radio Sputnik operating in Washington, D.C. is, it is an agreement dating back to Richard Nixon where each side allows the operation of an uncensored, government-funded propaganda radio station in other's capital (kinda like the exchange of embassies, almost). I forget the American chapter in Moscow, it's probably Radio Liberty, or maybe Radio Free Europe. Could even be NPR but I doubt it. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:58, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Khodorkovsky & Pence Want The World To Think Putin Can’t Control The Russian Military

[8] Hmmm, must not be an absolute dictator, I 'spose. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:44, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

But a racist CIA stooge and peacenik like Navalny can stand up to those armed big brutes who were never communists and survived the collapse of the Soviet Union. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:47, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

60 Minutes Australia: Is Vladimir Putin's Power coming to an End?

"For 24 years there was no dispute about who was the boss in Russia. Vladimir Putin seemed to proudly wear the label of the world’s most feared strongman. But last weekend, all of sudden, his iron rule was challenged. Putin stumbled and for the first time appeared weak and vulnerable.

The man threatening to topple the Russian tyrant was Yevgeny Prigozhin, arguably an even nastier piece of work than Putin himself. As the head of the Wagner group, he controls the brutal mercenaries who have been fighting alongside Russian forces in the illegal war against Ukraine. Tom Steinfort reports that what worries the world now is figuring out what Prigozhin’s next move could be. And where."

From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux98Xl_lIWk NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 12:05, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

Time for some facts.

(a) Prigozhin was working with Ukrainian and Western intelligence;

(b) the Wagner group formerly had 25,000; about 4,000 went to Belarus with Prigozhin. The remainder were officially incorporated into the Russian armed services yesterday.

Did your source report any of that? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:27, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

The problem with relying on Western MSM is, you get a very distorted picture. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:29, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

(c) Putin's approval rating went from 80% to 90% for his handling of the situation - another Western Itelligence failure - more than a failure - a complete mis-assessment that accomplished the exact opposite of they had hoped and intended. Will anybody be fired? Will there be any investigations in to the intelligence community? Doubtful. That's where the real news story is. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:32, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

And as the Russian Foreign Ministry rightly pointed out, during the J6 protests, Russia did not issue public support for one side or the other, neither covertly offer assistance to the "insurrectionists". Which side abides by the "laws of civilized nations"? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:36, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

(d) Many of the 6,000 troops who went with Prigozhin from Ukraine to Rostov did not know they were being used to participate in mutiny. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:19, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

Unfortunately, because of the propaganda now Western intelligence is putting out to coverup their botched operation, the opportunity now is being lost on the public to gain some understanding about the mysterious internal workings of Russia politics and government. But our intelligence agencies and media don't care about informing you, they are too busy trying to cover their butt and keep up the ruse about Russia. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:24, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

Ukraine War Analyses

Everyone knows the western media narrative already. The western narrative is that Putin is insane, dying, and trying to rebuild the Soviet Union. If you are content with that, stick with MSNBC. Our normal format is daily reports. This section is for articles, discussions, and data that remain relevant over time. Each is a clickable link to a full article. [9]

RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:54, July 3, 2023 (EDT)

The above is a subscription service for qualified updates on Ukraine war news; below is essential background reading on MSM sources.

RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:09, July 3, 2023 (EDT)

Biden, the Blob, and cluster munitions. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:37, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

BACKGROUND PAPER: RUSSIA, UNITED STATES & UKRAINE. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:47, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

Roots of Ukrainian hatred. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:45, July 9, 2023 (EDT)

Why no one can end the Ukraine war, Edward Luttwak. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:09, July 10, 2023 (EDT)

CSIS: Russia Isn’t Going to Run Out of Missiles

The Quincy Institute link above states:

"Of the 15 think tanks most often mentioned in the coverage, only one—Human Rights Watch—does not take funding from Pentagon contractors. Quincy’s analysis found that the media were seven times more likely to cite think tanks with war industry ties than they were to cite think tanks without war industry ties.

With 157 mentions each, the top two think tanks were the Atlantic Council and the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS). Both of these think tanks receive millions from the war industry. The Atlantic Council has long been the brain trust of NATO, the military organization whose expansion towards Russia’s borders was a critical factor in Russia’s decision to invade Ukraine. (See FAIR.org, 3/4/22.) Both think tanks receive hundreds of thousands of dollars from Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, companies which have already been awarded billions of dollars in Pentagon contracts as a result of the war in Ukraine.

CSIS was revealed in a New York Times expose (8/7/16) to produce content that reflected the weapons industry priorities of its funders. It also “initiated meetings with Defense Department officials and congressional staff to push for the recommendations” of military funders."

CSIS: Russia Isn’t Going to Run Out of Missiles RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:11, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

Alex Christoforou describes the report as a sales brochure for Raytheon & the MIC. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:04, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Top US and NATO Military and other Leaders: Vilnius, 2023, should pave the way for Ukraine to join NATO at Washington, 2024

Recall I said it's quite possible the War will end in about a year, i.e. June 2024. I said that before I knew about the below. That there's been planned a 2024 NATO Summit in Washington, America itself shows imo that would be an excellent time for Ukraine to join. And not in my opinion only, but also in the opinion of these esteemed military/other American/European experts below.

"In Vilnius, the alliance should launch a roadmap that will lead clearly to Ukraine’s membership in NATO at the earliest achievable date. As with Finland and Sweden, the process can bypass the Membership Action Plan in light of the close and ongoing interactions between NATO and Ukraine. NATO heads of state and government should task the Council in permanent session to develop recommendations on the timing and modalities of an accession process for Ukraine for decision at the next NATO summit in Washington in 2024..."

Gen. Philip Breedlove (ret.) U.S. Air Force, 17th Supreme Allied Commander Europe; distinguished professor at the Sam Nunn School, Georgia Institute of Technology ...

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/07/05/ukraine-nato-open-letter-00104575

"esteemed" woke military officers and other neocon warmongers. LOL. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:09, July 6, 2023 (EDT)

The other side of the coin: Radkin Delusions, NATO copes by Andrey Martynov, an American citizen and Russian military expert. Radkin is the commander of British naval forces; the UK doesn't have much of an army - about the twice the size of how many NATO/Ukrainians Russia has killed in the past 30 days. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:14, July 6, 2023 (EDT)

Who will the French recruit for their armed services? the same rioters in the street today? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:17, July 6, 2023 (EDT)

KIEV'S BUXOM NEW SPOKESWOMAN HAS MAJOR WAR UPDATE ON ADVANCES TO MELITOPOL LIVE FROM COMMAND CENTER. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:48, July 6, 2023 (EDT)

Stoltenberg explains NATO's view on welcoming Ukraine and Vilnius

"Good afternoon.

NATO Heads of State and Government will meet in Vilnius next week, at a critical moment for our transatlantic security.

Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine continues to rage on.

For 500 days, Moscow has brought death and destruction to the heart of Europe, seeking to destroy Ukraine and divide NATO.

Our Summit will send a clear message. NATO stands united. And Russia’s aggression will not pay." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i1cvPVeVJw NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:04, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Korybko: Pay Attention To What NATO Chief Stoltenberg Conspicuously Omitted From His Latest Speech.

Stoltenberg don't care; he's gone in three months. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:11, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

What Korybko is saying is, gone is the "for as long as it takes" rhetoric. Watch now, over the next few days, which buffoons didn't get the memo and still use that line. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:33, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

No he isn't. His term got extended: "NATO extends boss Stoltenberg's term by a year" https://www.reuters.com/world/nato-agrees-extend-boss-stoltenbergs-term-by-year-stoltenberg-twitter-2023-07-04/ He does care, that's why he's on the Right Side in this Fight. You, sadly, aren't. We'll see where things are 1 year from now, where it would be much clearer for those who really want to see the Truth to actually see it. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King}

Extended a year? Ok, the end is in sight. Zelensky ought to be safely tucked away in his Italian villa by the time Stoltenberg's contract expires. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:43, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

And Estonia's PM might be the next head of NATO: https://estonianworld.com/security/nyt-estonias-kaja-kallas-a-strong-contender-to-be-the-next-nato-chief/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:46, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Nah, they need somebody qualified who knows what they're talking about. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:49, July 9, 2023 (EDT)

Kaja Kallas is a Young Global Leaders stooge. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:18, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

Will 11th Hour Diplomacy get Sweden into NATO

Turkey is bargaining and bargaining hard to be sure, but just like they ultimately did with Finland, I believe they'll let Sweden in too.

"With the NATO summit set to begin July 11, Sweden, alongside several allies and Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, are making a last-minute push with high-level meetings in Washington and Brussels to ensure that Stockholm’s membership will get a green light from Turkey—the final big step before it can join the Alliance.

On Wednesday, Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson met with US President Joe Biden in Washington DC, followed by a meeting between Swedish, Finnish, and Turkish foreign ministers in Brussels on Thursday. The central message: Sweden is ready to become an ally—immediately.

For several months, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has kept Sweden and NATO allies on the edge of their seats over Swedish extraditions of individuals connected to the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK). Stockholm and Ankara have been at an impasse, trading arguments over due process and terrorist threats. Enflaming the whole process has been a series of Quran burnings, something which Kristersson has said is legal, but not respectful.

Just like at the NATO Summit in Madrid last year, Erdogan has placed himself in the role of kingmaker. All allies except Turkey and Hungary have ratified Sweden’s membership, and Hungary is widely considered to be following Turkey’s lead."

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/will-eleventh-hour-diplomacy-get-sweden-into-nato-by-the-vilnius-summit/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 08:10, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, the neo-fascist Atlantic Council, hmmm. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:23, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

How is it neo-fascist? by the definition given, of a corporation working hand in glove with a government to achieve totalitarian objectives, it is not: "The Atlantic Council promotes constructive leadership and engagement in international affairs based on the Atlantic Community’s central role in meeting global challenges. The Council provides an essential forum for navigating the dramatic economic and political changes defining the twenty-first century by informing and galvanizing its uniquely influential network of global leaders. The Atlantic Council—through the papers it publishes, the ideas it generates, the future leaders it develops, and the communities it builds—shapes policy choices and strategies to create a more free, secure, and prosperous world ... 2022 was the most successful year in the Atlantic Council’s history, with our work helping to provide policymakers and the public with solutions to the world’s most difficult challenges." https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/about/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:07, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

Read the Atlantic Council page top to bottom and tell me what you think. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:09, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

Incidentally, most of it was posted in 2019, including this: "The Atlantic Council was pushing to ramp up the proxy war between Russian Ukrainians and nationalist Ukrainians."

"Russian Ukrainians" would be citizens of the Donbas, and "nationalist Ukrainians" would be "Banderites". RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:15, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

"Why would Sweden want to join NATO?" – Colonel Douglas Macgregor. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:09, July 9, 2023 (EDT)

"Ukraine ‘deserves’ NATO membership, Turkey’s Erdogan says"

Thank you, President Erdogan: well done to you. I stand by my prediction, which is confirmed by Muslim Turkey being so co-operative with the Judeo-Christian West: NATO will welcome (1) Sweden as NATO Member 32 by this year end, if not Vilnius, and (2) Ukraine as Member #33.

If Erdogan is in favor, as the below news shows, it will almost certainly go through when the time comes. Perhaps Washington Summit, 2024, perhaps some where late next year. And yes, I do think Christians - though it might be Atheists doing it - should not burn the Quran, at least not in public, provoking 2 BN Muslims, while gaining nothing. The Christian World and Muslim World should work together. It is possible, and Blessed are the Peace-Makers. Below from Islamic News Site Al Jazeera: "A Fair Peace creates no losers":

"Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan also called for a return to peace talks saying, ‘a fair peace creates no losers’."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/8/ukraine-deserves-nato-membership-turkeys-erdogan-says?traffic_source=KeepReading

"Turkey supports Ukraine’s NATO membership aspirations, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan told his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr Zelenskyy, but he also urged for a “return to peace efforts” to end the conflict that has now raged for 500 days since Russia invaded Ukraine last year. “There is no doubt that Ukraine deserves membership of NATO,” Erdogan told a joint press conference with the Ukrainian president in Istanbul early on Saturday, adding that the two sides should go back to peace talks." NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 10:16, July 9, 2023 (EDT)

Both NATO & the EU are struggling for survival. Both appear hell bent on a suicidal path.

Incidentally, al Jazeera is just another Western propaganda mouthpiece aimed at the Islamic world in the Middle East. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:16, July 9, 2023 (EDT)

What Turkiye likes about Ukraine is, it sells its Bayraktar drones to Ukraine (which actually is American money). But it sells the same drones to Russia, as well. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:20, July 9, 2023 (EDT)

China updates

Biological Terrorism: China engineered Covid 19 to purposely infect people, reveals Wuhan researcher

[pls move to Conservapedia Community Portal if that is deemed more suitable for this discussion]

I saw someone say that, because the American Deep State (as opposed to Good Conservative Leaders) is evil (it is), therefore, allegedly, the Communist Party of China, responsible for an ongoing genocide of Uyghur Muslims, is supposedly not evil (it is, too). That's a Non Sequitur.

See: "The Chinese government has reportedly arbitrarily detained more than a million Muslims in reeducation camps since 2017. Most of the people who have been detained are Uyghur, a predominantly Turkic-speaking ethnic group primarily in China’s northwestern region of Xinjiang. Beyond the detentions, Uyghurs in the region have been subjected to intense surveillance, forced labor, and involuntary sterilizations, among other rights abuses. The United States and several other foreign governments have described China’s actions in Xinjiang as genocide, while the UN human rights office said that the violations could constitute crimes against humanity. Chinese officials have said that they have not infringed on Uyghurs’ rights and claimed that they closed the reeducation camps in 2019. However, international journalists and researchers have documented an ongoing system of mass detention throughout the region using satellite images, individual testimonies, and leaked Chinese government documents." https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-xinjiang-uyghurs-muslims-repression-genocide-human-rights

On Covid, this just in: one must have a broad international perspective, and not think of the whole world in terms of American domestic politics alone. Just because there are some bad people in the Deep State, and hardly anyone in the know denies there are, this doesn't mean there aren't bad Communist/Dictatorial Regimes in the world, like the Commie CCP is. Neither is it Anti-Chinese people to say so; in fact, we're being the voice of the good and innocent Chinese people who are suffering under the regime when we critique the CCP regime, just as one would be the voice of the voiceless when standing up against abortion etc; remember the millions who died/suffered under Covid and consider fairly whether the below could be true. It's an astonishing claim and worthy of a fair international investigation.

"A researcher from the Wuhan Institute of Virology has made an astonishing claim that coronavirus was purposely engineered by China to infect people. Chao Shao, a researcher, said his colleagues were given four strains of the virus to find out which could spread best."

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/biological-terrorism-china-engineered-covid-19-to-purposely-infect-people-reveals-wuhan-researcher-11687928751255.html NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 14:34, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

We do need some discussion on this subject, however scapegoating China and the CCP isn't the way to go. It was collaboration between Fauci and certain American private interests along with the Wuhan lab. I would recommend go over CP's Wuhan lab & Fauci articles, and look for information that builds on the sources there.

There is a concerted effort now to take the heat off the American taxpayer money that funded the Wuhan lab, and point the finger at China as solely responsible. This obvious from the CFR pushing Sinophobia now to justify war with China. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:42, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Both the Commie CCP and the Commie Deep State should fall. One of the reasons I support De Santis is I think he is a No-Nonsense Administrator. If you don't follow the agenda of the elected government, you should be packing your bags. The govt. answers to the people. Whom do Deep State Bureacrats answer to? No one/special interests. It's very bad, and I agree it's a perfectly legitimate concern to be concerned about the Deep State, especially given the amount of power it has, the amount of evil it does, and the amount of good it can frustrate. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 14:49, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Well now your getting off topic bringing DeSantis name into it.

Here is a thumbnail sketch of the narrative outfits like CFR are trying to coverup:

In 2015, there were a breakthrough in gain of function research at the Wuhan lab published in scientific journals; the response among many scientists was that this research was too dangerous and people should back away from further research. The Obama administration issued an Executive Order banning more research - but there's a catch - it only banned such research in the United States. So Fauci transferred the research to Wuhan. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:55, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Don't think it is off topic. One of the reasons people supported Trump is to destroy the Deep State. He did do some good things, but he couldn't do that. I think De Santis would, or at least would significantly reduce their power.

Most conservatives don't understand that "laissez-faire" anarchism is not acceptable in government. That's not what "limited government" should mean when it comes to dealing with evildoers. If you can't be tough in dealing with bad guys, you don't belong in government.

Here's what Saint Paul taught on that in the Epistle to the Romans: "3For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you want to be unafraid of the one in authority? Then do what is right, and you will have his approval. 4For he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not carry the sword in vain. He is God’s servant, an agent of retribution to the wrongdoer. 5Therefore it is necessary to submit to authority, not only to avoid punishment, but also as a matter of conscience" (Roman 13:3-5)

You mentioned Gain of Function research, and that's Exhibit A: "DeSantis signs bills banning vaccine mandates, gain of function research" https://www.thecentersquare.com/florida/article_f0320380-f024-11ed-9f74-7f94c974e2ac.html NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 15:01, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

And Fauci should have been fired long ago. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 15:04, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

The focus of this thread is countering the deep state narrative that China is soley responsible for the pandemic. Let's stick to countering that with facts from re[putable source.

Ideological arguments about conservativism or political candidates go on other threads in other articles, for now. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:57, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Ok. The issue is, how to ensure (1) something like Covid (from the development of the virus, to its release and outbreak, to the Deep State coverup, to the unsafe vaccines) never happens again, and (2) how to hold accountable those whose actions led to the loss of millions of lives, and caused many more millions to suffer worldwide. For that, we need something like (1) a Nuremberg II Tribunal, with (2) bad actors internationally, whether in the US like Fauci, or the Commie CCP, or anywhere else, held accountable for their actions, after a thorough investigation of all malpractice. That is in principle. Procedurally, you're only going to get that with strong Conservative Leadership. Commie Stalin said: "The death of a single person is a tragedy. The death of millions, a statistic". That shows how his warped Commie-mind thought. It isn't true and we conservatives shouldn't allow it to be so. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:09, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) okay, very good. You see a larger picture. Right now we need adequate documentation of the crimes that took place. Remember, the globalists and deep staters have much more powerful influence in media, academia, think tanks, and government. Despite being vastly outgunned, the censorship they employ should be viewed as a sign of weakness. They fear the truth and reality getting out to general public. So we need to focus on the knowledgeable sources and help them, get what they know out.

We can begin with people like Sen. Rand Paul and Rep. Jim Jordan who have a pretty clear understanding of the facts of what happened. Journalists like Lee Smith and Glenn Greenwald and a few others also are very good. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. also has a very clear understanding. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:26, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Nikki Haley on Commie China

Nikki Haley, take a bow. She rightly points out how liberal Blinked allowed Commie Thug Xi to scold him and thus America by extension. Again, conservative brothers and sisters, from the fact that the liberal Biden-Blinken duo is kowtowing to and bootlicking Xi, draw the right conclusion that the truly Conservative Approach/Position toward Commie China is Raeganite Peace through Strength, and inexorable/invincible American/European/NATO Strength, as well as fresh modern Alliances in the Indo-Pacific and Global South.

Here is the Video: https://youtu.be/JVz1mgcayAw Absolutely brutal in criticizing the Biden Administration's bad policies making everything worse. She also mentions how important it is to draw in the Arab World as partners and Biden's foolish policies pushing them away. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:22, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Watch between 17-19 mins: "I gave the example. To me, the most glaring is, you don't congratulate the Chinese Communist Party for taking over China 70 years ago. We don't congratulate Communism, we condemn it [makes sense considering Communism is responsible for over 65+ Million Deaths in China alone. See: https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/the-legacy-mao-zedong-mass-murder]. That's the Moral Clarity that I'm talking about. We have to know Right from Wrong. You never go and tell someone who is stealing, "Oh you go get them", Oh keep oppressing", you don't tell a Dictator that the way they sit there and hold their hand down on their People is a Good Thing. You congratulate Freedom, you congratulate Democracy, you congratulate when People have the Individual Liberties ... You NEVER congratulate Communism". NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:37, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

The Heritage Foundation was once a very respected conservative think tank during the Reagan years. However now it has a reputation as being overtaken by globalist views - at least on foreign policy and trade matters. It's stuff on election fraud is excellent, unsurpassed by any other DC think tank, IMO. However its perspectives on Russia and China should be suspect, and not viewed as authoritive (unless at some point there's a big shake up in management. But here again, the globalists got the big bucks to buy think tanks like Heritage, and there's not really any big sources of funding for anti-neocon perspectives). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:50, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Funding is not as important as Truth. If something is Truth, either the funding will follow, or the Truth will get out anyway, supported by powerful arguments for the Truth: "there is nothing hidden that shall not be brought to light". The Commies and Communist-sympathizers/supporters in the West always tried to diminish/downplay the Victims of Communism. But Truth is slowly getting out, also thanks to the Internet. Nikki Haley on Commie China, continued:

"Indian-American Republican Presidential candidate Nikki Haley said that China is the biggest threat to America since World War II. "Communist China is the greatest threat to American security and prosperity by far," she said. "As president, my top priority will be strengthening America's economy and...military. We'll protect America's prosperity and homeland from Chinese aggression," she added."

https://inshorts.com/en/news/china-is-the-biggest-threat-to-america-since-ww-ii-nikki-haley-1688295043697 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 09:24, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

China/Taiwan - the Coming War. Within community of security experts, no longer if but when. Most likely by 2027. Prepare

Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov comment during Q & A at the Leaders of Russia Management Competition, Moscow, March 19, 2022. [1] NYT journalist Tom Friedman joked, "Grandma always said never fight Russia and China at the same time." [2]

We are in the Great Calm before the Storm. But don't be deceived. The Storm's Coming. Prepare. Don't panic, but prepare. Spiritually, and in every other way. Including by educating and spreading awareness about the Great Evils of Communism, including the 65+ MN dead under the CCP in Mao's time.

Tweets: "Translated from Spanish by Google: "On the possibility of a war, @jmhumir assures that, within the community of security experts, the issue is no longer about if the war between China and the US will happen, but when it will happen" https://twitter.com/AmericanoMedia/status/1674873742797750283

and: "When we talk about China 🇨🇳 #PCC there are three dates that we should all keep in mind:

2049 - Anniversary of the PRC and China wants to dominate the world.

2030 - China wants to be the world economic power.

2027 - China wants to annex Taiwan.

The question is not whether there will be a conflict with China, the question is whether we are prepared to stop them."

https://twitter.com/jmhumire/status/1674903598029783047 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 21:03, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

China doesn't need to annex Taiwan, it's already part of China. Blinken just said so. [10] RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:30, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

This war was originally suppose to happen in 2021, but got cancelled cause of the pandemic, I suppose. Then it was pushed back to 2022; last week we were told 2025, Now it's 2027 cause the globalists and military industrial complex got themselves in a bind in Ukraine, and the original plan was to knock out Russia first. They can't carry out their aggression against China without knocking out Russia first, which will never happen cause Russia will nuke the globalists before that ever happens.

This planned US aggression against China looks more and more like scare tactics, like lockdowns, social distancing, and mask wearing - scare tactics for expanded government surveillance and societal control. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:44, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

The globalists and deep state want people to live in fear, whether it's the pandemic, Russia, China, white supremacists, etc etc etc. It is the source of their power, to get people to beg government for protection. We have not been given a spirit of fear, but of love, power, and a sound mind. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:48, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Red China has been on the verge of attacking Taiwan for a long time. It's a journalism evergreen. There was more tension in 1996, when China was threatening to nuke Taiwan. Japan is planning a major defense buildup, so time is not necessarily on China's side. PeterKa (talk) 05:21, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Why is it okay for the US to support Taiwan separatists but Russia can't back Donbas separatists? Oh, and don't gimme this 'Ukraine is a democracy' BS. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 05:25, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

The options are to be pro-separatist across the board or anti-separatist across the board? That seems rather limiting. PeterKa (talk) 06:39, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

I just have a hard time figuring out if separatists are good guys or bad guys. I note Western propaganda never refers to "US-backed Taiwan separatists" while the US official position recognizes Taiwan as part of China. And it's a little odd, seeing that providing arms to separatists is a violation of Chinese sovereignty and the UN Charter. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:15, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

I mean, I thought Putin was a bad guy cause he provided aid to Donbas, but the US has been doing the same thing to Taiwan for 50 years. RobS^{Give Peace a chance}15:21, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

The real international law is, "the enemy of the my enemy is my friend." As long as China threatens U.S. interests in the South China Sea and elsewhere, Taiwan is America's friend. The legal basis for U.S. policy is the Taiwan Relations Act of 1979 and the "Six Assurances" given by Ronald Reagan in 1982. PeterKa (talk) 09:56, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

Ok, so that is American law; but is it legal under international law to interfere in the domestic affairs of a sovereign nation, China, when the United States officially recognizes Taiwan as part of China? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:02, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

Let's revisit what you said here, "The options are to be pro-separatist across the board or anti-separatist across the board? That seems rather limiting." That was a good observation. "Separatists" evidently is a propaganda term intended to bias the reader against those people labeled as "separatist". For example the Donbas Republics declared independence in early 2014 and were rejected for annexation by the Russian State Duma. The Minsk Accords were negotiated in Feb 2015, and the Donbas Republics rejected separatism agreeing to return to Ukraine, provided they were granted autonomy. In the ensuing years the Kyiv regime failed to implement the agreement and grant them autonomy. The Donbas war persisted (with NATO weapons and training), and Western media called them "separatists". As early as 2015, the people of Donbas could see they were being set-up for NATO aggression, based upon Western media reporting. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:35, July 3, 2023 (EDT)

Side note: Now for those of you asking, "What is autonomy?", it's like the Chechen Republic in the Russian federation. It has its own President, a title equal to Putin's. It agrees to allow Moscow to handle all foreign policy, and Moscow doesn't interfere in its internal affairs. Its legal system is based upon Islamic law, so in matters like abortion or divorce for example, you can expect it to be handled quite differently than it would be in Moscow or St. Peterburg. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:54, July 3, 2023 (EDT)

26 Years since the Hong Kong Handover, the World Learns that the Commie CCP cannot be trusted to keep its Promises

"Twenty-six years ago today, Hong Kong was handed over to China on a promise.

Beijing made the commitment, under an international treaty, to protect Hong Kong’s freedoms, the rule of law, human rights, way of life and autonomy for at least fifty years. Over the past decade, and especially in the past few years, Beijing has completely broken its promises, torn up the treaty and dismantled Hong Kong’s freedoms. It has turned Hong Kong from one of Asia’s most open cities into one of its most repressive police states.

The erosion of Hong Kong’s freedoms began a decade or more ago, but Beijing dealt a hammer-blow to whatever was left of liberty when it imposed a draconian National Security Law on the city, with no debate, no discussion and precious little warning."

From: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/01/twenty-six-years-since-the-hong-kong-handover-china-has-rip/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 07:43, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

It was an open secret that China would break its promises to Hong Kong as soon as it could. Zeng Qinghong tried to impose a national security law in 2003, provoking massive protests. In those days, Hong Kong was more important for China economically than it is now, so Beijing backed down. Not coincidentally, Zeng was Xi Jinping's mentor. Xi's campaign against Hong Kong began in 2012, when he proposed a pro-communist curriculum called "Moral and National Education." PeterKa (talk) 10:14, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

It was a genuine tragedy to sit and watch, as Donald Trump was neutered by the deep state to say or do anything, while those people pleaded for help. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:43, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

A walk down memory lane. The people have spoken RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:01, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

In July 2020, Trump signed a law to impose sanctions if China acted against Hong Kong. It was certainly a big deal in Hong Kong. For a few months, it seemed like the crisis was over. From December 2020 to February 2022, the city was under covid lockdown. In May 2021, Hong Kong was caught by surprise when Beijing announced that it would impose a national security law after all. PeterKa (talk) 11:56, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

(a) sanctions don't work, that is one of the lessons of WWII; (b) acting big and tuff ("I'm going to huff, and puff, and blooooww your house down") fails when push comes to shove, and the world sees what a wimp you are. That happened in Hong Kong, and it happened when the US didn't send manpower and blood as it promised to enforce the Budapest Security Memorandum. We've gone from "speak softly and carry a big stick" {like Russia and China do) to "Make threats like a windbag and carry a useless Javelin missile". RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:33, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

It's comic tragedy when you hear stuff like "Strategic Ambiguity" when you might as well say "We're only bluffing". RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:42, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

All this talk of invasion is a joke, when the CCP learned from the US to do a Maidan-style coup in Taiwan. What? Are US policymakers and the American public that racist that they really believe the Chinese are too stupid to figure that much out? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:47, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

The story of Hong Kong suggests that the Chinese backed off several times for fear of economic consequences and sanctions. I don't think Xi had a plan to take over Hong Kong over the course of ten years. He was thinking that resistance would collapse as soon as he laid down a hard line. Money problems forced Putin to disband the Wagner Group, so sanctions can by given credit for that as well. PeterKa (talk) 22:48, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

In the case of the Wagner group, Russian law prohibits PMCs (private military companies) from operating on Russian territory. (Believe it or not, Russia is a nation of laws). So with the annexation of the Donbas, it became a problem. Wagner group will continue operating in Belarus and Africa eventually under a different name.

Above you stated it was an open secret China would take control. They simply measured the risks and costs against what was to be gained, knowing the US and UK were too weak to do anything about it, and seized the opportunity. And it was done by CCP infiltration into the Hong Kong government. The same thing is happening in Taiwan through the Kuomintang. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:15, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

All the talk of invasion is simply money for the US MIC and its stockholders, paid by the US taxpayer. None of thew weapons will ever be used, and eventually fall into the hands of the PLA. Another Afghan withdrawal scenario. They don't care what happens to the weapons after the US taxpayer gets bilked and the weapons get shipped abroad. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:17, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

"Republican presidential hopeful Ron DeSantis supports revoking China's trade status"

De Santis has Common Sense. Sadly among some others, including former Presidents and Presidential Candidates, who just aren't tough enough on the Commie CCP in China, common sense is a most uncommon virtue these days. De Santis is shining the Light of Truth. China needs to needs to change and become democratic if it wants to retain these privileges, from which it has benefited; and the CCP has used it for Grave Evil.

The US Senate voted in 2000 to grant that status to China as it prepared to join the World Trade Organization. Any step to remove it would also need congressional approval. The status is a legal designation in the United States for free trade with a foreign nation"

https://www.firstpost.com/world/republican-presidential-hopeful-ron-desantis-supports-revoking-chinas-trade-status-12846222.html NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 09:02, July 10, 2023 (EDT)

This is a very good and important development. However, it cannot stand alone in isolation. We need names and numbers of US Senators vocalizing the same thing before its ready for MPR. IOWs, follow up by you, the citizen journalist researcher. And the stance is fraught with risks, cause of the accusation of racism. So the public must be brought along and educated step-by-step of the significance and importance of this position.

It likely would take a major precipitating event for the US Senate to cancel the status. We can't just toss off headlines like this without educating the public first of the stakes invovled.

In the old days, Senators defined bipartisanship as being for motherhood and against sin. Headlines that state this or that position of a candidate tell us very little about anything. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:30, July 10, 2023 (EDT)

Yes, the people would need to be brought along; some executive action would be possible to kickstart it, but final Congressional approval would probably be needed; will read more about it in the coming days: "I favour doing that. I think we probably need Congress, but I would take executive action as appropriate to be able to move us in that direction," DeSantis said. "We are going to have a new commitment to hard power in the Indo-Pacific. At the end of the day, what China respects is strength," he added." https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/us-republican-candidate-florida-governor-ron-desantis-revoking-china-trade-status-2024-president-election-2404360-2023-07-10 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:45, July 10, 2023 (EDT)

You start here: Most_favored_nation#China.

There's more here and elsewhere in the same article: MAGAnomics#Free_trade_as_a_Cold_War_weapon. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:55, July 10, 2023 (EDT)

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Supreme Court strikes down affirmative action. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/u-s-supreme-court-strikes-down-affirmative-action/ar-AA1dcM3C --TheNewRight (talk) 10:15, June 29, 2023 (EDT)

Also there needs to be a spelling correction, instead of "mayor" it should read "major". Quidam65 (talk) 11:14, June 29, 2023 (EDT)

Thanks.RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:17, June 29, 2023 (EDT)

I used the John Solomon link; msn is probably Yahoo news or some other neo-fascist propaganda organ. We need to begin paying attention to to sources and links used. Thanks. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:35, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Thank you! Also, Supreme Court sides with Christian graphic designer. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/supreme-court-rules-in-favor-of-colorado-graphic-designer-who-refused-to-create-same-sex-wedding-websites/ar-AA1dg4M7 --TheNewRight (talk) 10:22, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

What does John Solomon's Just the News or Daily Caller say about it? MSN, Yahoo, and others have little credibility among conservative readers. Thanks. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:16, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Biden updates

If Biden wants to win, he'll win. America certainly has the weapons and the technology. But as we saw in Afghanistan, Biden often prefers to lose. PeterKa (talk) 03:01, July 3, 2023 (EDT)

Looks like Biden's puppet master's will toss him overboard between now and the primaries/convention (in the process Kamala goes, too) and elevate Newsom. 2024 is an Open Seat, they just don't want to announce it. They're trying to give the appearance the GOP side is the only side that's contested. It'll be funny to watch when they toss Biden - they'll have to do to Kamala what they're doing to RFK Jr. now, only for a shorter duration. They have to keep up the appearance of Democrat unity. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 05:56, July 3, 2023 (EDT)

Biden thinks Afghanistan was a big success (0:36): "All the evidence is coming back to remember what I said about Afghanistan? I said al-Qaeda would not be there. I said it wouldn't be there. I said we get help from the Taliban....I was right."

Remember when Biden used to put on a sad face and claim that Afghanistan was all Trump's fault? Those days are over. Afghanistan is a model. Look at his face! The memory losing a war makes him happy. Ukrainians, he is going to be even happier when you lose. PeterKa (talk) 09:31, July 3, 2023 (EDT)

Biden corruption

With the accession of Romania to NATO, the Biden family became co-owners of Kentucky Fried Chicken franchises in Romania. The multinational corporate conglomerate drove numerous native ethnic Romania mom n pop entrepreneurs, which grew up in Romania since 1991, out of business. This was done under the guise of "capitalism, freedom and democracy" with NATO protecting the multinational corporate conglomerate's financial interests. The same thing is happening in Ukraine. Romanian and Ukrainian entrepreneurs who are victims of this multinational corporate collusion view it as a neo-fascist invasion of their state and loss of sovereignty. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:50, June 29, 2023 (EDT)

Who left cocaine at the White House?

Honest, it wasn't me. I never go to the White House library. At any rate, I never do blow there. I mean, not that I remember.

There is no part of the White House that isn't under 24-hour surveillance. What about fingerprints and cell phone records? The Secret Service has to know whose cocaine it is. They plan to keep this information secret for as long as possible. Hey, “People walk by there all the time.” Yeah, and sometimes dogs really do eat homework.

In other words, it is Hunter's. No one else on planet Earth has this level of clout. If the coke turns out to be Hunter's, his plea deal will be suspended and he will go to jail. There is nothing that the Biden White House won't do to prevent that from happening. The bookies are treating Hunter as the leading suspect, with odds of +170 compared to +15000 for Joe and +10000 for Jill.

Update: Okay, I think I am off the hook now: "The substance was discovered in the West Wing of the White House in a cubby hole where visitors place their cell phones and other belongings before going on a tour." It was somebody who treated coke as just another thing that you put in a cubby hole before going on a tour. That narrows it down. It also makes it even less likely that the Secret Service doesn't know who it is. PeterKa (talk) 20:15, July 6, 2023 (EDT)

How long ago did Zelensky visit the White house?

Anyway, this story has suspicious parallels to the Democrat IT scandal where Wasserman Schultz's laptop was found in an abandoned House public telephone booth (we'll never get to the bottom of that cause the Capitol Police is not a Executive Branch agency, subject to FOIA).

We can't rule out the possibility it was planted by deep staters to eliminate Biden's chance of surviving a primary challenge. Prosecutions may not be necessary if the MSM is allowed to do its work on public opinion. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:06, July 6, 2023 (EDT)

We're not ready for, Smartest man alive leaves cocaine in White House cubby hole, destroys dad's chances for re-election, developing story. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:13, July 6, 2023 (EDT)

When Joe was nominated in 2020, the media was like, "Don't worry about his age, it will just be for one term." At some point after the election, Jill decided she liked being first lady. Now we have a Hunter-Jill copresidency. PeterKa (talk) 02:46, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Looks like its narrowed down to Joe, Jill, and Hunter. I guess we'll never know: "WH Visitors Go Through 'Multiple Security Checkpoints,' Suggests Cocaine Must Belong to a Biden Member." The more security points, the less secure. PeterKa (talk) 08:27, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

I think it's Anita Dunn running the whole shebang. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:30, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

The Atlantic says its time for Joe to go

Check it out: 'Step Aside, Joe Biden': Atlantic Writer Says 80-Year-Old President Has No Business Running for Office' PeterKa (talk) 21:12, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Yep. IMO, he's toast. I said some time ago 2024 was an open seat. The crisis Dems face now is how not to look racist as they dump Kamala for a white boy, Newsom. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:25, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

The solution could be quite simple: Have Joe pull out after a few early primary losses to Newsom and RFK, and it's too late for Kamala to mount a serious effort. Then after California racists in the Democrat party rig the vote between two hometown kids, Newsom and Kamala, the issue's decided fair and square. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:56, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Alternative scenario: Kamala goes down in the White House cocaine bust, the VP position remains open, and impeachment negotiations between Speaker McCarthy and 17 Dem Senator procced. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:13, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

We live in an age of mass psychosis (not the first time ever). To think Joe Biden could ever get the DNC nomination for 2024 is about as delusional as thinking Ukraine could ever defeat Russia, or that a man could become a woman. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:47, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

A week ago, the MSM would have happily sold its firstborn for Biden. Now they sound like disappointed parents. "It’s Seven Grandkids, Mr. President" (Maureen Dowd!, New York Times). This is about Navy Roberts, Hunter's illegitimate daughter. Then there is "When is the optimal time for Biden to drop out of the race?" (The Hill) Ouch!
So when is the best time for an incumbent president to drop out of the race for reelection? Both Truman in 1952 and Johnson in 1968 dropped out after disappointing results in the New Hampshire primary. In both cases, the New Hampshire result was a pretext, or at least not the whole story. As with Biden, Johnson's health was declining. He died of heart disease in 1973. PeterKa (talk) 17:53, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

God observation. Remember, Biden's a party man, not really an egoist. I think if Anita Dunn and other party bosses go to him and say, "it's time to do the honorable thing," (like the GOP Senators did to Nixon, too) he'll drop out. As to Kamala, they may think they can control her as they did Biden, but then again, maybe not. There certainly is no love lost between her, the White House staff, and the Biden family. So the big problem is to get rid of 'em both at the same time, which is a Truman/LBJ scenario.

So the media's job is to sow disaffection with the public and party loyalists, while still trying to keep RFK down on the farm before they let Newsom out of the gate (kinda of a replay how the GOP party machine brought DeSantis along. But there's still plenty of time). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:42, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

Drip drip drip...Angry Joe Biden Screams at Staffers, Abuses His Aides Behind Closed Doors. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:19, July 10, 2023 (EDT)

Drip drip drip...Biden Is In Trouble: NY Times Writes Hit Piece. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:14, July 10, 2023 (EDT)

With all the yelling, we can call Biden "Old Yeller," according to Axios. The bile that the MSM has been holding down for years is finally coming up. PeterKa (talk) 10:16, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

It's programmed. Somewhere deep in the bowels of the swamp, the deep state politburo made the decision, "My God, this man cannot remain in power". and media attack dogs were given the green light. They already have a chosen successor. Biden will find out, like Nixon, Reagan, the Bushes, and Trump learned - what they print doesn't even have to be true. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:44, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

We all set for a rerun of 1968, with Joe Biden as the sickly Lyndon Johnson and RFK Jr as Eugene McCarthy. Gavin Newsom and Kamala Harris are RFK Sr. and Hubert Humphrey. The dominant issue in 1968 was race riots. Hopefully, those don't come back. PeterKa (talk) 07:24, July 9, 2023 (EDT)

Very good and insightful analysis. I would say specifically Newsom in the role of HHH once RFK is eliminated (no joke, I wouldn't be surprised to see "extreme measures" taken against RFK Jr or Kamala either, as the stakes are as high or higher today as then, or at least perceived to be so).

Side note: As a kid, I watched this live, wondering who, after having brought the country to chaos and ruin in 5 short years, who he was talking to with those dramatic pauses? Later on I realized it was the New Deal generation, which left me wondering about their capacity to be suckered in with lies. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:35, July 9, 2023 (EDT)

Another side note: When LBJ says "President of your country" rather than "President of the United States", he betrays his Confederate "Johnny Reb" roots as he can't bring himself to say, "United States". RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:45, July 9, 2023 (EDT)

Maybe for us, it's better (unpopular) Biden stays...Telling (talk)

That's what Jake Dreizin says, let the Dems win for another 4 years - it'll lead to the complete self-immolation of Globohomo. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:30, July 9, 2023 (EDT)

... In line that it was radical Obama Nation that pushed the pendulum towards Trump rise...Telling (talk)

Indictment of Dr. Gal Luft: This really is turning into tragi-comedy. Even since the deep state has decided to dump Biden, they indict the whistleblower, not to protect Biden, but to protect from exposure the deep staters who protected and promoted Biden thus far. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:10, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

DeSantis outflanks Trump on trans issue

DeSantis's latest ad leans into the gay issue. I don't know what to make of the Brad Pitt clip from the movie Troy. Is this is a reference to the theory that Achilles went on a rampage because Patroclus was his gay lover? Either way, the ad is a tour-de-force. After watching it, I want to get a "Don't say gay" T-shirt. PeterKa (talk) 11:15, July 4, 2023 (EDT)

Yah, but is this really a Main page issue? we could all get nuked well before the primaries, convention, or general election. Who's to say our votes will count at all anyway? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:21, July 4, 2023 (EDT)

I expect this video to be a top level news event. There are 24.1 million views already. Then again, I could be wrong. PeterKa (talk) 11:27, July 4, 2023 (EDT)

Ehh, I can't see it. Elon Musk's trouble paying the bills seems like a bigger story for current news. Especially since he's probably gonna have to bail on Twitter by October or give it back to DHS/NSA for surveillance and social media control. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:34, July 4, 2023 (EDT)

I'll try to thumbnail the Musk/Twitter issue as succinctly as possible: whenever you "Like" a tweet, Twitter has to process it in real time to tens and hundreds of thousands of users. Twitter never had the server capacity for that, so the federal government was subsidizing it as part of its domestic surveillance programs. When Musk let Trump back on, that terminated the deal. Now Musk has to pick up the costs. He can't. Twitter will never be financially sound without a US government subsidy. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:44, July 4, 2023 (EDT)

Either way, it appears Twitter will be back in the FBI's hands by October so they can rig another election and re-ban Trump, or maybe ban President DeSantis in 2025 for his transphobic views.

Doesn't seem very democratic to me, that I can't even see a video 24 million of my fellow citizens are seeing right now. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:58, July 4, 2023 (EDT)

Yes, thanks for sharing, Peter. Nice video, and I agree with it. It's at 25 MN views now. And I agree with Rob's point also, that Twitter, Social Media, and websites generally, so including Conservapedia, are a big threat to the Radical Left. They will try to clamp down on free speech, because they know they cannot win in a fair and free debate, because Truth will defeat falsehood. But Social Media is playing an important role in getting the Truth out, including on the trans issue and how some in the Radical Left are pushing it too far, for e.g. by wanting to mutilate the genitals of innocent children, or force women to have to accept men in their bathrooms/locker room etc. Exhibit A of why I support De Santis. Thanks for the video. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 08:05, July 6, 2023 (EDT)

Any comment on our lead story headline:

The United States has more political prisoners languishing in prison than Russia and freedom of expression, especially for Christians, is attacked with increasing ferocity by a corporate media eager to shill for the U.S. Government. The U.S. intelligence and military organizations are a woke, hot mess. U.S. military leaders are fixated on promoting transgender degeneracy, routinely failing to meet recruitment goals and destroying the foundation of “uniformity” that is an essential trait of successful armies.

RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:30, July 6, 2023 (EDT)

Just 3 Words. De Santis 2024. When you support that, I'll know you really want to beat the Woke Left on these issues. Not till then. Watch the 25 MN viewed You Tube Video. Trump didn't defeat the Trans Agenda, he enabled it at every turn. De Santis's Candidacy, and Presidency would be the godsend America needs. As for the godsend Russia needs, it may be Navalny or someone else, but it's extremely unlikely it could be Putin, given his past actions. He's persecuted both Navalny and Nemtsov, beside other Russian leaders. He is bad for Russia. Being Anti-Putin is not being Anti-Russia, otherwise I will say you are Anti-America for being Anti-Biden. I am Anti-Biden, but not Anti-America. I am Anti-Putin, but not Anti-Russia. De Santis 2024, period, to end this woke transgender and child genital mutilation nonsense once and for all. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 09:02, July 6, 2023 (EDT)

I'd be saying "DeSantis 2024" or "Trump 2024" if there was any evidence that American democracy still exists, but I don't believe in hoaxing tens of millions of American voters with false hope. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:20, July 6, 2023 (EDT)

Al Jazeera: Most Swedes want ban on Quran burnings

I actually agree with this. There's no reason to burn the Quran and alienate 2 BN Muslims in doing so, especially when the West increasingly needs the support of Muslim Countries like Turkey, not to mention the Arab World. One can criticize or disagree with the Quran without doing this. Careless and imprudent on the part of the Swedes to allow such things, which could delay their accession to NATO. Hopefully, it won't, and they will realize they shouldn't, but still. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/6/most-swedes-want-ban-on-quran-burnings-after-global-outcry

"Most Swedes want ban on Quran burnings after global outcry Opinion is shifting amid an international political fallout over the burnings and a spike in new applications." NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 10:21, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

It's an interesting issue, and certainly a few years ago we would have taken much time to explore all aspects of it. But it's taken a backseat now to the pressing issues of our time, and is probably viewed as appeasement by many of the European Union's vaunted "free speech" values. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:59, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

I would be in favor of a Christian-Muslim Alliance against Godless Communism, especially because for e.g. even Muslims, like the Uyghur Muslims, along with Christians, are persecuted by the Commie CCP and Xi in China. As we spread awareness of that and help educate the Muslim World, it's quite conceivable they would draw closer to Christendom and the West. Then, we can educate them on the religious issues as well: btw, they already believe Jesus Christ was a Great Prophet, Worked Miracles, was the True Messiah, and even Virgin Born of His Blessed Virgin Mother Mary. They don't of course believe He's the Son of God, or died on the Cross, and that we have to show historically and logically. Dr. William Craig has some good apologetics on that. Anyway, needlessly alienating the Muslim world, and it was probably some atheists in Sweden who burnt the Quran, is self-defeating and shortsighted imo. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:07, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Wow. You sure are into warmongering. My kingdom is not of this world. To be carnally minded is death. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:12, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Lol. Another false accusation. I am a Raeganite and believe in Peace through Strength. Blessed are the Peace-Makers, as Jesus Christ said. As Communism in the Soviet Union fell peacefully, with sufficient Peace throught Strength, and Global Alliances, so it can in China too. Everyone benefits, including the good Chinese people, except only the Commie CCP itself. If you want to support the CCP, go for it. But I don't, and it's hardly Conservative to do so. You should listen to De Santis, Nikki Haley, or someone who gets it, speak about the CCP. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:31, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Being concerned about Persecuted Christians and Muslims is not "warmongering". The CCP is doing that by persecuting Christians and Muslims. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:35, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Hey, didn't you just post the other day something about how Reagan violated international law and told ICJ to flip off? Now you're screaming for justice from the ICJ? Seems a little confused or hypocritical. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:51, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Nope, I don't think that was me. Maybe you confused me with someone else? The only recent article I remember sharing on the ICJ is Uk, Ukraine etc taking Iran to the ICJ over its downing of a civlian airplane. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:59, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

It's at Conservapedia:Community_Portal#Ukraine.2C_UK_etc_go_to_the_ICJ_to_hold_Iran_accountable_for_killing_civilians_and_shooting_down_a_civilian_airplane. We generally don't use neo-fascist propaganda on main page news. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:03, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Yes, I know it's there, and that's fine; but there was no mention of Raegan in the article as I recall. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 19:07, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

"After the court ruled that the United States's covert war against Nicaragua was in violation of international law (Nicaragua v. United States), the United States withdrew from compulsory jurisdiction in 1986 [Reagan era, see Iran Contra ] to accept the court's jurisdiction only on a discretionary basis.[12] RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:04, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

"If you want to support the CCP, go for it." You should read the substance of Conservapedia's China, Peoples Republic of China, Communist Party of China, and Communism articles. Not to mention Peoples Liberation Army and few others. All these articles are more than 90% written by me. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:55, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Good to hear. I'll take a look. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 19:01, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Well, just the intro is off to a great start. Haven't checked the logs yet, did you write that? "The Chinese Communist Party (pinyin Gongchandang) or CCP, officially the Communist Party of China (CPC), is the left-wing single party socialist ruling regime of Peoples Republic of China (PRC). The party is infamous for placing no value on human life and its ruthlessness to maintain and exercise power. According to the authoritative Black Book of Communism, an estimated 65 million Chinese died as a result of the CCP's merciless attempts to create a new “socialist” China. Anyone who gets in the way is done away with by execution, imprisonment or forced famine. No single individual of the CCP has ever faced an international tribunal for crimes against humanity." That's pretty much exactly my perspective too, so not sure why you'd oppose applying Raeganite-John Paul II style- Peace through Strength against the Commie CCP. Just like bringing down Communism in the Soviet Union helped the Russian people, bringing down Communism in China will help the Chinese people, not just Christians and Muslims, but also other innocent victims of Communism. Pathetic, Carterite style liberal appeasement, however, will not. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 19:05, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

I stand by every word of it. However, given the damage the neo-fascist Biden junta has done to American foreign policy for the coming decades, I may be forced into moderating somewhat my stance toward the CCP after NATO gets its butt kicked in Ukraine and the Russian victory. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19::15, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

"Years after leaving office, while writing a book about leaders (my personal favorite of all his writings), he reviewed the concept of DÉTENTE in light of the failed policies of Jimmy Carter and the increasingly successful ones of Ronald Reagan. “LEADERS: Profiles and Reminiscences of Men Who Have Shaped the Modern World” was written in 1982 ... President Carter, with the best of intentions, tried unilateral restraint in the hopes that the Soviets would follow suit. The result was disastrous. As he cut back on American arms programs, the Soviets stepped up theirs. Consequently, President Reagan has had to institute an arms buildup to restore the nuclear balance of power.

There are two kinds of détente: hard-headed and soft-headed. Hard-headed détente is based on effective deterrence. This kind of détente encourages the Soviets to negotiate, because it makes the cost of Soviet aggression too high. Soft-headed détente, by contrast, discourages negotiation, because it makes the cost of Soviet expansion so low that the Soviets find the rewards of aggression too tempting. Hard-headed détente, backed by the force to make deterrence credible, preserves peace. Soft-headed détente invites either war or surrender without war. We need detente, but it must be the right kind of détente.” We need the same against the Commie CCP today. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 19:05, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) Look at Carter Doctrine, I wrote that too. I started that same page title in Wikipedia about 2004, but haven't looked to see how butchered its been since. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:15, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Above from: https://www.nixonfoundation.org/2008/06/appeasement-and-detente-two-very-different-things/ See how, 40 years later, the World is re-learning the same lessons once more, which Peace through Strength Raeganite Conservatives already knew. Truly, those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Truer words were hardly ever spoken. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 19:09, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Well, so much for my lifelong dream of burning a Koran by the side of a Swedish fjord. 😥 Update From the article, it seems that Turkey may no longer be able to veto Koran burnings after Sweden joins NATO. So there is still hope. PeterKa (talk) 21:55, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

NATO doesn't care about free speech, democracy, and human rights or "European values"; as soon as NATO lets in the racist Kyiv regime which banned the Russian language, that's all you need to know. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 06:48, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

I wasn't thinking about free speech, just a little humor to "own the libs." Back in 2016, Trump's Muslim ban had them all hepped up. Is there any issue less likely to win over middle America than bringing in more Muslims? PeterKa (talk) 07:43, July 9, 2023 (EDT)

Things are changing; Muslims are the only group that can stand up to LGBT school boards without FBI harassment. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:02, July 9, 2023 (EDT)

The most powerful - Libs of TikTok (and others) is not Muslim...'nuf said. Any peace between groups is good. It's just that CAIR and such, cynically abuse it for harm.Telling (talk)

'Peace Through Strength'

IMO, you are making a bad comparison between the Soviet Union and modern Communist China.

Reagan was able to spend the USSR out of existence cause it was in terrible economic shape after 40 years of no trade with the West, and its continued defense spending as a percent of GDP at World War II levels (at that time, China was not the economic powerhouse it is today that could make up the difference in loss of trade from the West). Modern China, OTW -- its defense spending is fueled by Wal Mart customers in the United States.

Pity the poor Wal Mart customer; all the profits from Chinese made goods sold at Wal Mart are translated into Chinese military spending, which then the Wal Mart shopper has to pay higher taxes and inflation to feed the American military industrial complex to compete with the Chinese military. He's getting it in both ends.

Trump had the right idea in imposing tariffs, and you saw the resistance that met. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:22, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

There never was a peace treaty after World War II (well, there was the Nuremberg Tribunal, the UN Charter, and much later the 1976 Helsinki Accords, but never a formal treaty). After 1945, the Soviet Union never stopped fighting fascism from the West. The Anti-Comintern Pact and Angelo-American alliance (Atlantic Charter) reorganized itself and merged into NATO beginning in 1947.

In 1941, the Soviet Union was on its knees when the Germans invaded; by 1945 its economy and industrial output was fully mobilized for war, and it never looked back. The Soviet economy never did a "peacetime transition" after WWII. By the late 1950s and 1960s it did produce a few cars, TV sets, and refrigerators as rewards for party members and "hero workers" in an non-incentivized capitalist economy, but its domestic consumer market was always plagued by shortages up to the very end (compare that to modern China). By 1989, the Soviet Union's chief export was still the AK-47. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 07:11, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

So it was the Soviet Union's overspending on defense that didn't leave any room for increase when Reagan challenged it to expand further after 1981. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 07:20, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

Communist China led by the Commie CCP is worse and a more Evil Empire than even the evil Communist Soviet Union was. Those who don't see this, and are Comsymps, Communist-appeasers and Communist-enablers, will be the first to suffer from their folly if Communism actually prevails. We who do will follow the Noble Path of Pro-Life Christians and Devout Anti-Communists Pope St. John Paul II and President Reagan. Down with Communism! No Compromise. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 10:08, July 9, 2023 (EDT)

That's all true, and more than true. The PRC is way bigger and more powerful than the USSR & Third Reich combined. Whether the PRC is a threat to sovereign states, is another matter (and no, Taiwan is not a "sovereign state" as Western propaganda would have you believe). Our first priority is to terminate and put to shame the Russophobic bigots who began this insane war against Christian Russia and drove Russia into alliance with China (what did they expect Russian sanctions to do otherwise?). That won't be undone in two years or with the election of this or that president or Congress. It may take decades. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:12, July 9, 2023 (EDT)

Nixon imposed price controls as an anti-inflation measure in August 1971. They made him extremely popular and got him reelected by an enormous margin. Most price controls were dropped as soon as Nixon was safely reelected. But the ones on oil continued. U.S. price controls obviously didn't cover the international price, but they did make domestic production less profitable. That turned the Soviet Union into an oil superpower. High energy prices were a factor in the collapse of South Vietnam in 1975. Reagan lifted the price controls on oil when he entered office in 1981. Newsom in California just adopted oil price controls, so we may be headed down the same road again. PeterKa (talk) 01:09, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

The Soviet Union didn't sell much oil abroad until the 1990s, for a variety of factors. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 07:04, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

In the early 1980s, oil was one-third of Soviet exports. That's lower than I thought, but certainly quite significant. PeterKa (talk) 09:52, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

That was to Comecon states (Eastern bloc or 'iron curtain' countries). The USSR was never a member of the WTO of IMF. The one-third figure is suspect, given Soviet official records were all faked.

The principal recipients of Russian oil were East Germany, Poland, Hungary, and Cuba, mostly sold at a loss. There wasn't widespread vehicle ownership in these countries.

One needs to look at the volume of oil production, not just export. The Soviet oil industry was drilling with 1930s technology, and lacked modern technological upgrades. The Soviets didn't even know the size of its reserves; it wasn't until after the collapse of the USSR that oil prospectors could enter Russia and assess. With the discovery of North Slope oil in Alaska in the 1970s it was speculated that the USSR might have vast reserves on its Arctic shoreline, and was only confirmed decades later. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:06, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

The Wikipedia article on the 1986 Reykjavik Summit says this: Reagan "also promised to share SDI technology, a promise which Gorbachev said he doubted would be fulfilled, as the Americans would not even share oil-drilling technology." Had the US shared oil drilling technology prior to the end of the Cold War, and the USSR allowed to sell oil to IMF member states, the USSR might possibly been able to compete with the Reagan defense buildup. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:34, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

Protesters shut down LGBTQ festival in Republic of Georgia (VIDEOS)

Democracy in action. Citizens thwart the Biden regime /USAID /NED /CIA /OSF /Soros (what the Right Scoop calls "alphabet mafia") efforts to overthrow the legitimate government and expand NATO with another US-backed color revolution,. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:31, July 9, 2023 (EDT)

Note: the Barrons article says "From AFP" or Agence France Presse. Earlier this week we discussed The Propaganda Multiplier which says, "It is one of the most important aspects of our media system, and yet hardly known to the public: most of the international news coverage in Western media is provided by only three global news agencies based in New York, London and Paris....AP, Reuters, and AFP (Agence France Presse}. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:44, July 9, 2023 (EDT)

Note: When you read about how the Republic of Georgia (or anywhere else for that matter) "decriminalized" homosexuality a few years back, it is only because of the threat of US sanctions for "human rights violations", and not due to any "democratic" grassroots movement. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:58, July 9, 2023 (EDT)

Breaking: Turkey's Erdogan to back Sweden joining NATO - Stoltenberg!

Finally! This is awesome news for NATO supporters. The next step, after Ukraine, is NATO expanding to Asia, with Japan, South Korea, India, then Australia etc. But this is a day for rejoicing for those who've been supporting NATO. American, European, Transatlantic, and International Security just got stronger by a lot. And btw, a prediction of mine came true to the letter. Maybe I should add it to CP proven right? lol. Anyway, here's the news:

"Turkey's Erdogan to back Sweden joining Nato - Stoltenberg"

"Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has agreed to support Sweden's bid to join Nato, the military alliance's chief Jens Stoltenberg has said.

He said the Turkish leader would forward Sweden's bid to the parliament in Ankara and "ensure ratification".

Meanwhile, Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson said: "I am very happy, it is a good day for Sweden." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66160319 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:35, July 10, 2023 (EDT)

War Pigs. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:45, July 10, 2023 (EDT)

‘NATO’ is the Nazi Alliance Treaty Organization

The Duran: Don't say you Nazisymps weren't warned weeks ago. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:13, July 10, 2023 (EDT)

Stalin was a sensitive man, eh? You're certifiable, Quint. ConwayIII (talk) 18:45, July 10, 2023 (EDT)

Our Robscist pal here is indeed a certified ☭Comsymp☭. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 18:50, July 10, 2023 (EDT)

Ask him about his Donbas "cauldron" sometime. Destroy the Entire Ukrainian JFO Instantly With This One Weird Trick! ConwayIII (talk) 20:20, July 10, 2023 (EDT)

I don't know much about the Donbas "cauldron," and there's plenty more ways to foil his arguments that result in some interesting confessions from the horse's mouth. His simultaneous defense of Putin-supporting Communists and insistence that calling Putin a commie constitutes "Nazi propaganda" is hilarious. In essence, he's now a fellow traveller. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 20:25, July 10, 2023 (EDT)

Even Truman, the great protector of Alger Hiss and other spies, wasn't pro-communist enough, according to Zuesse. Hiss engineered the pre-war oil embargo on Japan as a favor to Stalin. Truman had to adjust course after the Republicans won the November 1946 midterms on the issue of anti-Communism. But his natural instinct was always to treat the communists as potential allies against the "fascist" GOP. Don't forget that he fired MacArthur for trying to win the Korean War. The Red Chinese had to save face, don't you know. PeterKa (talk) 22:16, July 10, 2023 (EDT)

That was actually Harry Dexter White in the Treasury Dept, not Hiss. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 06:05, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

It's funny that most of the internationalist Cold War warriors who made a great talk of anti-Communist action to protect global democracy so bitterly opposed the Dies Committee investigations, McCarthyism, and the Reece Committee. Entrenched establishmentarians such as Eisenhower actively undermined efforts to root out domestic Communist subversion, particularly attempting to derail the Reece Committee's crusade by slandering it as "antisemitic" (according to Norman Dodd, it was merely one staff member who promoted anti-Jewish literature, and they were disciplined). In the U.S. House vote to reestablish the Select Committee to Investigate Tax-Exempt Foundations and Comparable Organizations, which became known as the Reece Committee, most of the Conservative Coalition rallied behind in support along with a scant amount of liberal Southern Democrats while basically all Northern Democrats and a group of moderate establishment Republicans (Ford, Frelinghuysen, Javits, etc.) comprised much of the opposition.

The reestablishment of the SCITEFCO was necessary; the previous Cox Committee ran an investigation dubbed by Reece, absent for most sessions due to family illnesses, as having "insufficient time for the magnitUde of its task." And years later, neo-Jacksonian liberal Democrat Wright Patman continued the investigations of tax-exempt foundations for tax evasion, as recommended by the report of the Cox Committee. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 14:28, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

Misguided anti-communism led the United States into asinine conflicts like the Vietnam war and Korea. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:34, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

I lack the military-related knowledge to understand the background of those wars, though as a whole, the Old Right was definitely right about sticking to domestic anti-Communist investigations of subversion rather than feeding the warmongering establishment. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 14:51, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

Unfortunately, conservatives were deceived by Goldwater Republicanism, which was nothing more than an outgrowth of the modern Eastern Establishment that developed among internationalist Moderate Republicans during the 1940s. (and also! Goldwater was a 33-degree Freemason, I believe, which means he must've secretly been a Luciferian occultist) "A Choice Not An Echo" only got half the picture right: Robert A. Taft indeed was a diligent opponent of the liberal globalists whose ambitions they destroyed, but Goldwater had no connection with the Taft-aligned Old Right. While the book is popular among New Right, modern conservative discourse, it embraced a deceptive form of "right-wing" thought deviant from the authentic conservative principles of the Old Right. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 14:55, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

The Vietnam war was insane. Look at Peter's comment, above: Truman's "natural instinct was always to treat the communists as potential allies against the "fascist" GOP. Don't forget that he fired MacArthur for trying to win the Korean War." MacArthur was for a long time a serious GOP challenger for president against both FDR & Truman; when Eisenhower was elected, MacArthur remarked that Ike was the best staff officer he ever had. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:00, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

Democratic accusations of the GOP as "fascist" goes back to Henry A. Wallace. The irony here, of course, is that actual Fascists gave quite a glowing review of Henry Wallace's book New Frontiers. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 15:04, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

That's right; anyone not onboard with Russia's war effort against Nazi Germany was deemed a "fascist", for example, union workers who went on strike for higher wages in wartime, which would break wartime wage and price controls, were called "fascists". Just as today anyone who does not support Russia's defense against NATO aggression is a fascist. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:13, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

[EC] [EC] Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha XD- so now you're just parroting New Deal–era left-wing propaganda tactics. The horse's mouth spouts new admissions every day! Karajou hereby is fully vindicated for calling you a liberal two years ago. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 15:17, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

No, that's what America Firster and isolationist John Flynn reported: "Wages were held down in slaughter houses. The workers quit the legitimate slaughterers and went to work for black-market slaughterers at twice the legal wages, or went into munitions plants, and scores of slaughter houses were put out of business. The unfortunate slaughterer or meat dealer or packer who complained was called a fascist." pg 314. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:32, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

There's something wrong with your basic logic and reasoning; everyday you try to draw a straight line from the 19th and early 20th century progressivism to modern day leftist and socialist sentiments. You make arguments about the Old Right, etc. Then you turn a blind eye, using your own rhetoric, logic, and reasoning to your fascist opposition to Vladimir Putin and Russia. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:37, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

Get away from the ideologues, and come over to the Realist school. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:38, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

No. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 16:24, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

It's a dead end, cause when you come into conflict with the real world, you're trapped just like leftist dreamers in a world that never existed and never will exist. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:27, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

IOWs, what you think is your "ideology", is an ideology created and defined by leftists. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:30, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, I'm now like a leftist? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 16:31, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

No, your ideology guides you to such conclusions, regardless of facts.

Your right, Trump is not a "conservative"; you're wrong, Trump is not a socialist. Trump is a realist. And he's got the record of personal success to prove it. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:34, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

The bible should be a close enough guide on realism, and it warns you off of false ideologies. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:36, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

Yes, the Bible indeed exhorts believers not to believe in sun- er, Sunday worship, Commu-Putinism, "right-wing" populism, "Christian Nationalism," worldly rabble-rousers, and otherwise children of the devil (Matt. 13:38, John 8:44) damned to eternal perdition. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 19:22, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

Let's look at you argument that "Christian nationalism" and "rightwing populism" trace their origins to 19th century Progressivism; or your argument that my failure to "Sieg Heil" contemporary MSM anti-Putin propaganda makes me a comysymp; by that same logic you are a fascist and nazisymp. You leave yourself no flexibility. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:41, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

Your argument is as terrible as your grammar. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 19:09, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

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 ::Let's look at you argument that "Christian nationalism" and "rightwing populism" trace their origins to 19th century [[Progressivism]]; or your argument that my failure to "Sieg Heil" contemporary [[MSM]] anti-Putin propaganda makes me a [[comysymp]]; by that same logic you are a fascist and nazisymp. You leave yourself no flexibility. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 16:41, July 11, 2023 (EDT)
 :::Your argument is as terrible as your grammar. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Tuesday, 19:09, July 11, 2023 (EDT)
-== Guess who admitted that Sabbath observance is substantiated by the New Testament? ==
-Amazing Discoveries [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W413NVP9O8w&t=2168s is one of the greatest bastions of truth in our time.] In the episode linked, Schanche and Drebit go straight to the horse's mouth, in this case a Jesuitist publication from years past which admitted that Seventh-day Adventists were the only body of Christianity which kept the seventh-day Sabbath which is biblically grounded in the Old and New Testament.
-Oh, did any of you know why the [[Protestant Reformation]] failed at the [[Council of Trent]]? It's because the Protestants were [https://www.sabbathtruth.com/sabbath-history/the-council-of-trent criticized as inconsistent vain rebels for failing to uphold the biblical seventh-day Sabbath]. The Papacy boasted, "aha, you claim to be for the word and word alone, yet you uphold ''our'' doctrine of Sunday observance!" And the Papacy in that assertion was correct: ''it'' was the chief promulgator of Sunday observance in the church, not the Bible, because they claimed to have the authority to change times and law. (Daniel 7:25) —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Tuesday, 19:18, July 11, 2023 (EDT)