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Ukraine/West vs. Russia: Lose, lose, lose[edit]

RobS wrote:

Breaking: MSM reports' Ukraine losing war, badly. [1]
Jacob Dreizen: Countdown to "Who lost Ukraine?" [2]
NYT: “A decisive military victory for Ukraine over Russia, in which Ukraine regains all the territory Russia has seized since 2014, is not a realistic goal…Russia remains too strong.” Well, thanks. After pouring gasoline on a fire that got 30,000 people needlessly killed, now the MSM figures that out.
WSJ: "This is no way to win a war, or even to force a stalemate on favorable terms..."
Gen. Milley: “I think solving the situation through negotiations would be the logical choice..." Somebody tell Milley both sides have to agree to sit down. Good luck at that, now.

It looks like Ukraine/West/Russia are all going to lose in terms of either treasure and/or lives. If the Biden administration didn't so badly screw this up, all this needn't have happened. During the Trump presidency, Russia never attacked Ukraine.

Given how Biden screws everything up and has the reverse-Midas touch, this war could drag on until the end of his presidency. If Trump is elected, maybe he will fix things. Conservative (talk) 01:51, June 1, 2022 (EDT)

This how you lose a war. And thisthis thisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthis and this.
HistoryLegends just uploaded a good summary of the above links. In fact, it's a definitive summary of what has happened over the past 75 days, minus the fake news. RobSZ 19:10, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
Add one more in the past hour. Doncha y'all git it? The Ukraine military is collapsing , like dominoes in slow motion, and if history is a guide, the regime soon to follow. So, where does that $40 billion, that you, your kids and grandkids will be paying for end up? Remember Lord Austin telling John McCain they spent $500 million to recruit 5 guys for the Free Syrian Army? Well this is 80 times that amount.
Another "intelligence failure", I suppose - two weeks after Congress voted for it. So what do we do? Sit on our hands somemore, and debate Johnny Depp and Amber Turd? RobSZ 22:32, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
Imagine, two days ago these heroes were about to defeat the mightiest nuclear power on the planet. Pity the poor slob editor at the NYT or CNN, head in hand thinking, "How are we gonna explain this one?" RobSZ 02:30, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
The real loser in this war is you. The Ukrainian men are all dead, the women refugees abroad. Russia comes out on top with strongest reserve currency on the planet. The EU sinks into oblivion. The US is reduced to second & third world status (with nukes, no conventional arms that can stand up to Russian and few aircraft carriers vulnerable to Chinese and Iranian missile strikes), and Putin (with help from Xi Jinping) get to play the role of FDR in shaping the coming post-war order. Don't complain. We all played a part in making this happen. RobSZ 02:36, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
It didn't have to be this way. If we only took Putin up on his request to join NATO in 2004, We could've kicked Xi Jinping's butt together after he unleashed that bio attack. We could have kicked al Qaeda and ISIS butt together, rather than spit in Putin's face and stab him in the back. Instead, the US fights these Mickey Mouse wars against 3rd world countries, killing 800,000 in just the past 20 years. Nobody, other than the EU gays and tranny's, views the US or trusts the US as 'leader of the free world' anymore. And the rest of the planet says, "stick your gay marriage and transgender democracy up your butt, sideways." RobSZ 02:48, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
In truth, this war was decided and over militarily about 3 weeks ago. Everybody knows that in Ukraine, civilian and military on both sides. Zelensky thinks by holding out he can get more out of the US, but not anymore. Biden has pulled back on the weapons, cause Biden finally realized he's pushed the Russians to brink.
So to "negotiate", it takes two to agree to sit down together. Putin isn't fighting Zelensky. He's fighting NATO and the West. So NATO, the West, and the UN have recognize however much territory Putin carves out of Ukraine as a buffer zone as legitimately his, and rollback sanctions.
Now, there are those who will argue, "Isn't this rewarding aggressors?" Sure, no more than rewarding US aggression when it pulled off the Maidan coup and empowered Nazis. So the US still has some cash to buy a few UN votes with - the US, Canada, 30 EU votes, Aus, NZ, Japan & South Korea. Other than that, Africa, Asia, and South America are going to be looking to Russia for food and gas, and China for investment. RobSZ 03:09, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
Some winners of this war are the US military contractors, China, Trump, social conservatism in Europe and possibly European right-wing populism.
China will get more oil and a deeper alliance with Russia.
Europe will get more refugees and sooner or later there will be pushback against a wave of Ukraine immigrants in Europe. So anti-immigrant, right-wing populism may grow in Europe. European businessman will benefit due to an increased work force from Ukraine immigrants given that Ukrainians will assimilate better than foreign Muslims. And since the Ukrainians are socially conservative and anti-gay, that will boost social conservatism in Europe.
Ukrainians are socially conservative and anti-gay? Yah, that's why refugees fled to gay Germany. RobSZ 12:02, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
Biden will spend more treasure on militarily funding Ukraine which will be inflationary because increased government spending is often inflationary. Americans may tire of funding the war which will make Biden more unpopular. In addition, right-wing populism potentially growing in Europe might help Trump (Brexit certainly helped Trump). So between greater inflation and right-wing populism possibly growing in Europe, this could help Trump get elected. Conservative (talk) 03:15, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
I don't think the sanctions will be rolled back soon. Left of center politicians have a tendency to double down, virtue signal and be stubborn. The Germans will be the first to want to rollback sanctions due to their realpolitik tendencies and desire for oil. Conservative (talk) 03:23, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
That's basically what I just said - Europe sinks into oblivion while China & Russia get empowered. Us & NATO weapons and training are no match for Russian, as has been just proven on the battlefield (unless the US wants to put its own boots on the ground in Ukraine, Russia or Finland with its most advanced weapons, but its still a question if they can beat Russia on Russia's home turf). The problem was, the United States starting this war, which they just lost (that's about four in a row now, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and Ukraine).
Right wing populism in a 2nd or 3rd world country like the EU or US is a pointless concept.
Face it. Our heyday is over. And our leadership destroyed it, unnecessarily. Kinda just like Nazi Germany. And they never recovered to a leadership role on the world stage 70+ years later. RobSZ 03:32, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
It was the United States that started this war. And all those people who were bombed and lost loved ones in Ukraine, they know that and they will never forget that. RobSZ 03:36, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
But cheer up - you still get to blame Putin for forcing you out of your car and the war on cow farts. RobSZ 03:41, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
You wrote: "Us & NATO weapons and training are no match for Russian". This is very untrue. The Ukrainians didn't have the rockets and air power of NATO. In addition, the Ukrainians had a smattering of howitzers. Biden is doing things half-way in terms of arming the Ukrainians because he is afraid of getting the USA involved in WWIII or a nuclear war.
In addition, Obama and Biden are "frady cats" compared to Trump. Trump is the one who got the Ukrainians the Javelin missiles which were very effective against Russian tanks. In addition, both Biden and General Milley are telling the Russians what they will not do whereas Trump kept the Russians guessing.
In a professional boxing match, you can't win a fight with one arm tied behind your back. The same applies to wars. Conservative (talk) 06:48, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
Oh, you're one of those psycho-neocons wanting to get us in WWIII, I see. Your famed Howitzers are being used to target and kill civilians now. Nazi Tribunal investigators are carefully documenting all these war crimes. RobSZ 14:36, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
NATO isn't nearly as impressive as this aura it has created for itself: South Korea in dilemma over Canada's request to send artillery ammunition
The South Korean government has maintained that there are limits on sending lethal weapons to Ukraine due to possible fallout in diplomatic ties with Russia, and there is speculation that a possible ammunition shipment from Seoul to Ottawa could be seen by Moscow as indirect support from South Korea for Ukraine.
Now that Canada has depleted itself, why can't it ask the mighty United States for resupply? or Germany, France, UK or any other NATO member? Who's a bigger threat to South Korean security, Putin or Kim jong un? Oh, and these strategic planners who created NATO, did they consider that Russia (or maybe China) are capable destroying a weapons shipment across the ocean from South Korea to North America?
We're only in Phase I of WWIII, and NATO has depleted itself without sending troops directly into combat, and the political/diplomatic/ economic house of cards is folding in on itself. Putin, Lavrov, Shoigu, and the boys are a bit smarter than Western media psyops give them credit for. RobSZ 18:06, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
Oh, and your Javelins were useless. 5 and 6 of them bounced off Russian tanks. [3] They now are being sold on the black market for $15,000 (original cost to you, the taxpayer, $175,000 before transport to Ukraine). Again, another example of you swallowing Western psyops hook, line, and sinker, and repeating it at least six weeks after being debunked. RobSZ 19:45, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
Upate: Javelins now selling on the blackmarket for $30,000. [4] RobSZ 19:01, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
<Digression on weapons development>This is a good place to insert this note, cause it applies to all weapons development. The javelin was first designed and produced 30 years ago to defend against Russian tanks. The Russians have had 30 years to develop armor protection against it. It was never combat tested until now. And the crap you heard in the media about the Javelin was from the sales brochure pitch by the military industrial complex to the Pentagon written in the 1990s. Learn this lesson and apply to all weapons systems in the future.<end of digression> RobSZ 19:54, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
World War III Russo-Ukraine War Special Military Operation is the first large scale combat exercise employing the widespread use of surveillance and attack drones on both sides. Gone are the days of specialized recon units crawling on their bellies under the cover of darkness to reconnoiter behind enemy lines. There are two methods of defense: (1) shooting down with a missile (we'll save for another time the problem of drone swarms) which requires scaling down Patriot Missile technology to a much smaller scale, and a developing alternative method of (2) hacking, or taking over radio control of the drone. RobSZ 20:05, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
Both counter-methods require low level radar, like police speed radar detectors or the motion detectors to open doors at your local supermarket. This is known already, so now the emphasis switches to developing stealth drones, scaling down expensive stealth technology used on fighter jets and bombers to mass produce for drones and model airplanes that can be bought at you local hobby store. That, and increased cyber encryption (which is a hopeless cause in the long run anyway) seem to be the only two solutions. RobSZ 20:12, June 1, 2022 (EDT)

Do you heard what Henry Kissinger said about this war last week? Kissinger suggests that Ukraine give up territory to Russia, drawing a backlash. --Alex Kosh (talk) 20:23, June 1, 2022 (EDT)

The news out of Davos was basically Kissinger vs. Soros, with Kissinger saying, peace, negotiate, and Soros saying war, exterminate. RobSZ 20:47, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
They're going to give it up one way or another. It would be easier for Ukraine, Europe, and the United States to agree to it, but the West seems to want a longterm stand-off in order to implement the Great Reset and defossilization. RobSZ 20:31, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
In the coming multipolar world order implemented by Putin and Xi Jinping after the defeat of the US bid for world hegemony, access to a world wide web will be limited with each hegemonic power creating their own regional internets, and the planet will be divided between the West (US, Canada, EU, Aus, NZ & ROK) dependent on renewable energy resources which will lower their standard of living, and the rest of the planet using traditional fossil fuels and coal. There's some bugs in the UN Charter to worked out yet, but the West doesn't have the votes anymore to keep waging wars of aggression against developing countries. RobSZ 20:37, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
After the Ukraine war, the imperialist West doesn't have the power to impose its will on the rest of the planet, with only 12% of the population and 40% of world GDP. RobSZ 20:40, June 1, 2022 (EDT)
For the record, I am for the Ukraine-Russia war ending as soon as possible. And in the end, Ukraine will probably wind up losing land. But the war will probably drag on as the West is seeking to better arm Ukraine (more howitzers, rocket launching systems, etc.). I doubt Russia will give up easily. Eventually, both sides will tire of the war and a peace deal will probably be signed. Conservative (talk) 12:08, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
Post war construction efforts in Ukraine will probably be marred by Ukrainian corruption. See: Corruption Could Mean Ukraine Loses a Future Peace. Conservative (talk) 12:35, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
You still seem to think the war is between Russia and Ukraine. It's not. It's between United States, NATO, and Russia.
When NATO looses its war against Russia, what does that mean? NATO only reason for existence is to fight Russia. That's why the United States and Russia [my mistake] the West are so eager to kill as many Ukrainians as possible to delay its final defeat.
The United States, NATO, and the European Union are loosing the economic war against Russia, as well.
No, this isn't the typical post-WWII mickey mouse war you are accustomed to. This is "the Big One." RobSZ 15:33, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
When Russia emerges victorious over the United States and its NATO colonies, the best outcome (short of a nuclear conflagration) is for the United States to emerge, head bowed, hat in hand, beg for forgiveness, and pray Russia will accept the United States and its NATO ducklings as allies to break up the Russia/China alliance. RobSZ 15:54, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
I sometimes call it the Ukraine-Russia War due to wanting to type less. I realize it is the Ukraine with the USA/NATO aiding vs. Russia War. After all is said and done though, since the USA is the biggest dog in the NATO pack, it is essentially a USA vs. Putin (Putin is an dictator/autocrat) proxy War with Ukrainian and Russian soldiers serving as the cannon fodder.
To clarify things above, there are Western NGOs/politicians/etc (and probably the CIA) and Russia riling up things in Ukraine as under the radar as possible (Putin is a former KGB agent). For example, USA and NGOs staged a coup in Ukraine – here’s why and how.
The military contractors and China love this war. For example, Russia is a bigger ally of China now. Conservative (talk) 17:28, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
Bingo. You nailed it (except for your swallowing the CIA anti-Putin pysop that's is intended to justify the illegal Ukrainian coup). RobSZ 17:34, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
After the 1991 dissolution of the USSR, the Russian Federation has made more progress toward becoming that "liberal democracy" Westerners would like to see than any of the other 14 former Soviet Republics (now, someone will argue, "What about Poland? What about the Baltic Republics?" Those states are not multicultural, multi national that need to deal with the protection of ethnic & religious minority rights, as the RF has done, and continues to do so. Ukraine is an abject failure in protecting ethnic minority and religious rights, particularly since the U.S.-backed coup). RobSZ 17:41, June 2, 2022 (EDT)

Putin is a kleptocrat and autocrat/dictator. You refuse to see this because you want this to be a white hat vs. dark hat war. Conservative (talk) 17:56, June 2, 2022 (EDT)

Biden is a kleptocrat. Zelensky is an autocrat/dictator. We have evidence even from MSM media. "Putin is kleptocrat" is CIA propaganda fed to MSM with little or no evidence that you are willing to hide behind rather than admit to being taken in and brainwashed by intelligence community psyops. RobSZ 18:28, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
I bet you never heard of the Republic of Bashkortostan, Tuva, or the Karbardians willing to fight in Ukraine against NATO fascism. RobSZ 18:08, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
Russia doesn't seem to have the racial problems the United States has. Now whether that's related to gun control measures is a another issue. Bottomline, all Russia's ethnic minorities seem to understand the dangers of fascism & racism then under Hitler, and now under NATO. And are willing to sacrifice all to defeat it. RobSZ 18:22, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
Note: at 54 secs. in the above linked video, you can clearly understand the slant-eyed guy addressing the troops use the word, "fascisma" - what they are going off to war to fight. RobSZ 18:47, June 2, 2022 (EDT)

Putin's palace is just a mirage? Putin's opponents being jailed and many of Putin's enemies dying or getting sick via poison or other means is just a coincidence? You promote the Clinton body count hypothesis/theory, but the many instances of jail/death/sickness of Putin's opponents/enemies is just a coincidence? You are not being consistent. Conservative (talk) 19:27, June 2, 2022 (EDT)

Not really, at all. You are simply repeating CIA/MSM misinformation; I had to dig and research the Clinton body count which MSM refused to report. That should be your first clue that you have been spoon-fed. RobSZ 19:33, June 2, 2022 (EDT)

Howitzer update[edit]

There were only about 99 Howitzer's shipped. There is drone video evidence of the destruction of two. This video shows 12 of 13 destroyed in a precision airstrike (missed one top, second from right). There's no reason to doubt the authenticity cause Howitzers need to massed together for maximim efficiency, especially with so few.

A word on the propaganda regrading Howitzers: we've already discussed the problem of delivering artillery shells to where they are needed on the battlefield where Howitzer's are stationed. The problem is, Howitzers (like SCUDS) have to be immediately removed from where they are stationed once they fire off a single round, cause Russians will instantaneously locate where the shell originated and will immediately strike back on the hidden location. They are effectively useless. Same is true with HIMARs. There's not enough of them, they lack ammunition and training. So, everything you heard about Javelins, Switchblades, Howitzers, and now HIMARS is just propaganda. And the propaganda is more targeted at what's left of the Ukrainian military than the general public, to keep up morale ("Help is coming.")

Estimates are (per Zelensky's recent statements) that 25% of Ukraine's 200,000-240,000 standing military has been destroyed, bring the casualty rate (KIA & wounded) and desertions to 50,000 or 60,000. Russia by contrast has maybe 7,000 KIA & about 20,000+ wounded. RobSZ 19:27, June 2, 2022 (EDT)

Germany lost WWII due to a two front war and the USA/Europe/Russia outproducing military production. The USA/Europe can outproduce Russia when it comes to military production. And there is technology embargo on Russia and some military hardware needs various pieces of technology.
American leaders can't stand losing wars or proxy wars. Afghanistan was the dam breaking on Biden disapproval. In Biden's mind, if the Russians rout the Ukrainians it could be perceived as another military defeat like Afghanistan was. Conservative (talk) 19:51, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
You think so? even after the US & EU shipped its manufacturing base to China? Do we have an educated, skilled, motivated workforce to work in defense munitions factories?
Maybe you don't know, but Russia never shut down its defense plants after V-E Day, and has just kept producing. So it's got about 74 years worth of stockpiles, as well. (What a joke it was to hear "Russia is running out of ammunition.") RobSZ 19:57, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
This morning I received a report that Russia struck Severodonetsk with 200 artillery strikes per minute, or 3 per second. RobSZ 20:00, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
The Chinese are playing both sides of the American/European/Russian fences. China sends a lot of goods to the USA/Europe. They are not going to jeapardize that trade - unless they decide to attack Taiwan. My guess is that China is presently doing a lot of sabre rattling when it comes to Taiwan. It's a risky move for a Chinese leader to attack Taiwan given the amount of ocean water between China and Taiwan. Amphibious attacks are one of the most difficult military attacks to do. The USA lost a lot of troops at Iwo Jima and the Japanese at that island were probably not as well defended as Taiwan. In addition, there could be heavy Western sanctions against China for attacking Taiwan. Maybe down the pike when China further expands its navy and other capabilities, it will try to invade Taiwan. Conservative (talk) 20:12, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
Not to change the subject, but your missing the immense propaganda value of headlines coming across the wire right now: While Biden wants to disarm Americans, he is arming Nazis. You need to get off that CIA propaganda rocking horse and use these talking points. The bloom is coming off the Zelensky drug-addicted, gay, Nazi rose. RobSZ 20:20, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
People are already throwing aside their blue & yellow emojis as quick as they did their covid masks. RobSZ 20:22, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
As Biden's idiotic economic policies damage the economy more and more, Americans will become less and less enthusiastic about "standing with Ukraine". Germany is already unenthusiastic about supporting the Ukrainians militarily. And as the Russian soldier body count increases, there will be more and more pressure on Putin and the Kremlin. My enthusiasm for following this war has waned. The more I know about Ukraine/Russia in general - their projected futures (low fertility rates, etc. etc.) and their corruption and authoritarianism - the more my desire to follow this war has waned.
In addition, I have some exciting things going on in my life that are far more interesting that the futures of corrupt/authoritarian regimes with dim futures. But I will admit that the Russians/Ukrainians have some beautiful church buildings and Russia has a lot of past cultural achievements (Chess, literature, etc.). In addition, both Ukraine/Russia have less feminism than the West which is admirable. Conservative (talk) 20:34, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
There you go with CIA propaganda again. The war lifted Putin's approval from 61% to 88%. And Russian casualties have fallen precipitously from the opening weeks of the war when they were scared to death of causing civilian casualties, and allowing Ukrainians to hit them from civilian areas. No chance that Putin will be removed. In fact, Putin is being criticized in Russia for going too soft. RobSZ 20:54, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
Putin is a moderate who is criticized by warhawks for not going full force against Ukrainian and NATO fascists.
As to the Putin/keptocrat/oligarch narrative - the source of Putin's popularity is that Putin ended the exploitation of Russia by oligarchs under Yeltsin & Clinton. Putin allowed oligarchs to keep their wealth PROVIDED that they stay out of politics (these are the opponents he arrests who try to use their wealth to control political power). This is precisely what caused the war in Ukraine - Zelensky was put in power and controlled by Ukrainian & Western oligarchs, and Putin will end that exploitation, too. RobSZ 21:02, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
Putin controls the oligarchs - the oligarchs have no influence or control over Putin.
Zelensky is controlled by oligarchs, both Ukrainian, and the Davos set. He is their puppet. RobSZ 21:06, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
Obama, Biden, and the Clintons are controlled by the Western oligarchs.
The EU is controlled by European oligarchs. Ukraine since 2014 is a Western oligarch project to extend their power and influence.  ::::
"kleptocrat" is mere projection, which the Russians call "mirroring." RobSZ 21:08, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
As Mike Tyson said, "Everyone has a plan until he gets hit in the mouth". Putin with his propaganda machine (control of television, etc.) can delay news of dead Russian soldiers, but sooner or later knowledge of it will seep in to Russia - especially when the West sends more heavy artillery and rockets into Ukraine. The reason why the Soviet Union pulled out of Afghanistan War was due to Russian mothers complaining about their only sons dying in that war. Russia has been like a boxer with a longer arms than the Ukrainians in a military boxing match (when comes to long range artillery/rockets). But Ukraine is growing longer arms so to speak with the upcoming additional howitzers and rockets. Conservative (talk) 21:26, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
All you do is recycle CIA/MSM agitprop which, like Trump-Russia (which was designed to pave the way for this war) and a host of other fake news psyops in recent years, you'll have to walk back or deny ever participating in at some point. RobSZ 23:19, June 2, 2022 (EDT)

Russia will probably gain some ground, but it will be a pyric victory due to an attritional war that will probably drag on and the tough sanctions. And if Trump is reelected, he will ramp up oil and gas production which will give more oil and gas buying options to Europe so they can reduce their reliance on Russian oil/gas. On top of this, Russia is losing highly skilled workers fleeing Russia. Long term, Russia likely loses.

If West Europe/USA loses this proxy war, it will be due to lack of will.

It's too early to tell how this will ultimately work out, but it's beginning to look like a marathon. Conservative (talk) 23:29, June 2, 2022 (EDT)

And statements like this: "Ukraine is growing longer arms so to speak with the upcoming additional howitzers and rockets", makes it sound like you are rooting for more senseless Ukrainian dead. RobSZ 23:25, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
If I say it's probably going to rain tomorrow, I am not rooting for rain. There is a difference between forecasting and cheerleading. Conservative (talk) 23:31, June 2, 2022 (EDT)

HIMAR update[edit]

The issue of Howitzers is dead, gone, and useless already. The HIMARs cannot make a difference for Ukraine, other than Zelensky breaking his promise to Antony Blinken not to attack Russia with it and provoke a nuclear attack against America. Did the MSM inform you of those facts? RobSZ 00:31, June 3, 2022 (EDT)
Two Sarmats will wipe out the East Coast. [5] That's Russia's response to the US continuing to escalate and prolong this conflict. And the Russians now are on a timetable. RobSZ 00:35, June 3, 2022 (EDT)

Mutually assured destruction (MAD). Russia is not going to launch nukes at the USA unless it thinks the USA has launched nukes at Russia. Conservative (talk) 09:28, June 3, 2022 (EDT)

That's what Putin said. 'We go to paradise but they won't have time to repent.' RobSZ 15:53, June 3, 2022 (EDT)
Goodbye, America. RobSZ 16:07, June 3, 2022 (EDT) -- What's interesting about that song is the Latin beat. You find a lot of that in Russian popular music, the influence of Italian and Spanish music, even with the inroads American popular culture has made through jazz, rock and hip hop. Somehow the copyright on that video is screwed up, cause the song was a big hit in Russian in 2011 before U.S. aggression and the Maidan coup. RobSZ 09:35, June 4, 2022 (EDT)
Attacks on Putin are basically racist attacks on the Russian people. It is saying that 145 million Russians, 73 percent who elected him, and 88% who support and agree with him now, are brainwashed automatons.
Russia is an incredibly diverse society - more diverse than Democrats could ever dream to be, or dream America to be. Yet a huge majority listen to, respect, and agree with Putin (and they have the option to turn the TV off or change the channel). And most of all they agree with what Putin says about the West.
Now, the idea that the peoples of Russia are "brainwashed" by a "controlled media" is laughable on its face coming from any Westerner. RobSZ 18:14, June 4, 2022 (EDT)
The only "controlled media" in Russia is controls on the all LGBT gay crap and grooming that the West prides itself on. The peoples of Russia hear (and understand) every word Biden, Blinken, Sullivan and any other fascist in the West says. Can't say the same thing in the West, which has censored RT and other Russian outlets. RobSZ 18:22, June 4, 2022 (EDT)
Notice: Ramstein Airbase in Germany cancelled its Drag Queen Story Hour scheduled for Pride Month. Why? Cause the U.S. Air Force are a bunch of homophobic bigots? No. Cause the Pentagon had no response to Russian netizens on social media saying, "See? I told you so." RobSZ 18:27, June 4, 2022 (EDT)
Your fat lass is now lying motionless on the floor of the gym and turning blue, man. You can roll the credits on your fan fiction. This Donbas "offensive" is done and it's all slow rollback from here. ConwayIII (talk) 21:27, June 4, 2022 (EDT)


Looks like all the frontline AFU and reserve Territorial Defense in Severodonetsk, where the heaviest fighting is occurring right now, are either dead or ran away. So they had to send Polish and English speaking mercenaries. poor slobs, nobody told them they don't have Geneva Convention protection. They'll be busting rocks north of the Artic Circle til 2050, if some of them are lucky.RobSZ 23:49, June 4, 2022 (EDT)
As raw haters, the Ukrainians rank number 1 (followed by Poles). But they never really did possess the brains or capability to take on the Russians, while NATO plays the schoolyard bully instigating a fight that it is too much of a coward to do itself. RobSZ 18:35, June 6, 2022 (EDT)
Thoughts & prayers for your Kadyrovite mooks, man. In other news, it's Popasna you should've been paying attention to. Pulled the best they had left off the line from elsewhere, actually managed something approximating NATO-style combined arms ops for a bit & then still stalled out like Izyum. ConwayIII (talk) 11:09, June 5, 2022 (EDT)
This Russian 'America analyst' has some interesting comments on 'combined arms'. RobSZ+ 21:50, June 20, 2022 (EDT)
Ukrainians keep loading men into the Severodonetsk turkey shoot. [6] The Mariupol Alamo strategy didn't go so well, Custer's last stand on the Donbas front might not either. RobSZ 13:25, June 6, 2022 (EDT)
The river level is very low (no explanation: draught? global warming? the Ukies blew up a damm to halt a Russian advance?) tanks and armor can cross in some places without pontoons. The northern leg of the cauldron will be slammed shut.
The latest news is, Biden sent HIMARS on the promise they wouldn't be used against Russian territory. So Zelensky and the boys are gonna strike Crimea with a HIMAR. Putin will respond by nuking London, Paris, Berlin Ramstein, Warsaw or wherever the NATO base is, Washinton, the Pentagon & CIA headquarters, and probably Brussels, too. RobSZ 19:45, June 5, 2022 (EDT)
Its going to be rough fall and winter for people living in urban areas like Paris, London, or the east coast US, living in a contamination zone with the supply chain shortages and breakdown, no food, no gas, no heating. Welcome to the world of reality. RobSZ 19:57, June 5, 2022 (EDT)
As to the Izium front and elsewhere, you just don't understand modern warfare. You can't move across a minefield. RobSZ 20:34, June 5, 2022 (EDT)
You know, first with covid plandemic, now with this Russia war, sometimes I get the feeling the Deep State and Davos klan are trying to get rid of us. According to the science or the oracle at Delphi or wherever they get their information from, the planet has become overpopulated and is not "sustainable", so they just start whacking people. RobSZ 21:39, June 5, 2022 (EDT)
The Americans/Germans/UK/NATO are not giving the Ukrainians parity or above yet when it comes to longer range artillery/rockets yet. But they are keeping them in the fight. The picture will become clearer 60 to 180 days from now. My guess is that the Russians will probably keep some of the territorial gains they made in the Eastern part of Ukraine and possibly the south as well. I doubt Russia will be able to take over Ukraine and install a Russian friendly government in the long term.
Whether Russia will gain monetarily from the conflict is doubtful and they will probably lose. Russia is losing Western investment and banking access and many Western companies are pulling out of Russia. In addition, many high tech and educated Russians are leaving Russia. Furthermore, Russia already has sub-replacement fertility so losing young Russian soldiers to war isn't helping. Also, the anti-Russian feelings in Ukraine will lower trade between Russia and Ukraine/West. Also, the West seems to be trying to wean itself off of Russian oil/gas in the longer term which they may be able to do via future American oil/gas, nuclear power, etc. Also, with the expansion of NATO into Finland/Sweden, etc. , Russia's defense budget may go up long term. Russia may gain access to oil/gas in the conquered part of Ukraine to help offset these economic losses.
Of course, the West is experiencing losses in this war too. War isn't cheap and losing Russian oil/gas as a purchasing market will hurt. In addition, the West may help Ukraine rebuild shelled areas. Food prices are going up too.
The biggest losers will be the developing world. About 50 million people are not in good shape when it comes to food supplies. Some people may die of starvation due to this war and others may suffer the various effects of malnutrition. Conservative (talk) 08:30, June 6, 2022 (EDT)
That CIA analysis became outdated 60 days ago. 10:16, June 6, 2022 (EDT)
"Western investment" that comes from Federal Reserve funny money, inflation, and the US National Debt through Western oligarchs and corrupt multinational corporations promoting the gay agenda, isn't really capital investment.
Russia & Ukraine tried the "Western model" of capitalism and all it brought them was corrupt oligarchs. And multinational corporations promoting the gay agenda doesn't do much to help their birthrates or survival of the nation (national security). When Western corporations pulled out of Russia, Putin and Moscow's reaction was "Good. Now we don't have to clean up the corruption." RobSZ 10:32, June 6, 2022 (EDT)
Russia and Ukraine have a bleak future due to their sub-replacement fertility rates and their corruption. The USA may go through an economic depression in the 2030s from all its debt and unfunded liabilities. On a more positive note, the USA will see a process of desecularization start sometime between 2030 and 2070 (See: American atheism). Conservative (talk) 10:46, June 6, 2022 (EDT)
Now you see another root cause of the War, Western multinational corporations promoting the gay agenda and threatening Russia & Ukraine's sub-replacement rate and national security. RobSZ 10:51, June 6, 2022 (EDT)

Decades of being under state atheism is the primary cause of Russia's sub-replacement level of births. It adversely affected their culture. See: Atheism and fertility rates and Atheism and its anti-civilizational effects and Atheism and culture

Nobel Prize winner Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was asked to account for the great tragedies that occurred under the brutal communist regime he and fellow citizens suffered under.

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn offered the following explanation:

"Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: 'Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.'
Since then I have spend well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: 'Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.' [7]

See also: Atheism and Mass Murder. Conservative (talk) 11:20, June 6, 2022 (EDT)

Bingo. When single party Soviet Communism collapsed in 1991, communism moved into the West. And it was a re-birth of religion and the Orthodox Church that caused the collapse. RobSZ 11:30, June 6, 2022 (EDT)
Scholarly update on Zelensky fascism: Babi Yar as a Symbol of Holocaust Distortion in Post-Maidan Ukraine. RobSZ 12:15, June 6, 2022 (EDT)
Breaking: Ukrainians in full retreat on the Severskiy Donets front; [8][9] problem is, there is nowhere to retreat to. Thay are all trapped in the cauldron. RobSZ+ 15:17, June 8, 2022 (EDT)
Cool story, Captain. Meanwhile, your boys are trying to scrape enough Wagner mooks together to get things moving out of Popasna again and still failing to take Severodonetsk. ConwayIII (talk) 17:06, June 9, 2022 (EDT)
Is this one of your buddies? [10] Sure, you can call it war propaganda and violation of the Geneva Convention, but the problem is it sounds all too familiar to Ukrainian soldiers fighting for Zelensky, Biden, Boris Johnson, NATO and "democracy", and the demoralizing effects on frontline AFU forces
Now, if you want close to a real time update & analysis, see this which was posted within the hour. RobSZ+ 17:49, June 9, 2022 (EDT)
In my estimation, it looks like you fail to recognize the 72 hour delay in much Ukrainian propaganda and reporting, which is the sole source for Western media.
Here's the situation: 16,000 men in the Donbas cauldron face Russian tanks with AK-47s. Their big problem (outside of a lack of ammunition, water, food, medical support, fuel, transport, and battlefield commanders) is, they never really get close enough to Russian tanks because of the wall of artillery fire. This has been the situation for the past 6 weeks, but not reported in the West. Instead, we hear stories about planting a paper mache yellow and blue marker on the Russian border, which again, as it turns out, was nowhere near the Russian border. RobSZ+ 18:13, June 9, 2022 (EDT)
Here's your update on the Wagner group in the Popasna.
The big news is the breakthrough on the northern Izium front at Svyatogorsk. The Russians can now moreless cross the river freely. The highway link to evacuate AFU fighters from Lysychansk and Severodonetsk is under Russian fire (or artillery) control. So the tactical question now is, do the Russian do a direct link from Svyatagorsk to the Popasna flower for direct physical encirclement Severodonetsk-Lysichansk, or do they begin a wider arc around Slovyansk-Kramatorsk (pop. 500k, about the size of Mariupol without a waterfront, meaning both cities will have to be completely encircled, simultaneously. While the cities may be taken separately, they cannot be encircled separately.) RobSZ+ 19:05, June 9, 2022 (EDT)
We should be moving past the military tactical and strategic questions and unto the political questions. The slow going is largely the result of de-mining operations after Ukie fortified trench network is obliterated (keep in mind, NATO advised them on this defensive posture for the past 8 years). When an army is so thoroughly defeated in the field, the government it represents is also defeated. Zelensky and company are not the group to negotiate with Russia, and I highly doubt Russia would agree to negotiating with them for a ceasefire. The larger reality is, a victory for Russia is a defeat for NATO. That reality needs to set in. And the Russians are hell bent on making that point. RobSZ+ 19:29, June 9, 2022 (EDT)
<Detailed explanation> Here is the TOS-1A Sunbake (probably given the name cause of the heat generated) in real life combat action. It is the most powerful, non-nuclear weapon currently in existence (doesn't cause the radiation environmental damage). It can be delivered with pinpoint accuracy. The blast wave, which can be clearly seen in the video, is enough to kill you. Now, laying aside any further discussion about carrying the war to the citizen taxpayers (as Gen. Sherman did in Georgia or Pres. Truman ay Hiroshima & Nagasaki) to bring a swift end to the war, the citizen taxpayers of Paris, the German Federal Republic, and Warsaw, need to carefully study this question and decide if they really wish to continue their taxpayer-supported hate and support for the neo-Nazi Ukrainian regime. They have been given fair warning from Russia, and Big Tech and Big Media censorship is no excuse. Diplomacy has failed. RobSZ+ 22:38, June 9, 2022 (EDT)
The Russian terms for peace go far beyond recognition of incorporation of at least 5 new Republics into the Russian Federation. It means renegotiating the INF Treaty, possibly the ABM treaty, disbandment of the OSCE (which also oversees elections) and replacement of it with a neutral organization which the Russians have more input and control. Removing sanctions, and UN recognition of Russia's territorial gains is far down the list on Russia's war aims. Thank your globalist controlled MSM propaganda network for informing you about what this war is all about. RobSZ+ 19:39, June 9, 2022 (EDT)
Meanwhile, back on the ranch, Russian regiments & brigades are busy trying to cobble together their mostly imaginary second / third BTG capabilities and manning them with reservists. If any of them make it on to the line without sabotaging their equipment first, we might see the pace of this "offensive" shift all the way down from glacial to deep-time geological.
We'll be able to track their progress just by keeping an eye on our fingernails. ConwayIII (talk) 18:27, June 13, 2022 (EDT)
An excerpt from the Associated Press article Ukraine fears a long war might cause West to lose interest: "“Italians are very available to make personal economic sacrifices to support Ukraine’s defense and arrive at a cease-fire,” Salvini said. “What I would not like is to find us back here in September, after three months with the conflict still ongoing. If that is the case, it will be a disaster for Italy. Beyond the deaths, and saving lives, which is the priority, economically, for Italy, if the war goes on, it will be a disaster,” he said.
There are already signs of disinterest and cracks in commitment to the Ukrainian/Russia war in Europe. Germany has been slow to send military aid. And the USA may be heading into an economic recession. Time is not on the Ukrainians side. In the end, they probably will wind up not getting all their land back. They will probably give up any demands to get Crimea back and may give up part of Eastern Ukraine.
Putin appears to be a bulldog as far as his commitment to this war. The Ukrainians are depending on the Western powers for support and they appear to be more fickle in their commitment to this war. Conservative (talk) 18:47, June 13, 2022 (EDT)
Russia is in no hurry. The slow pace is partially attributable to concern for the lives of civilians and Russian soldiers. Russia is down to about 70,000 troops in the field (more can be said about that) while Ukraine just added another 2 million untrained for canon fodder.
Russia has yet to retaliate with sanctions against the sanctions imposed by the West that have thrown the planet into a global recession. Wait til this fall, when people coming begging for food and gasoline. Putin would be crazy to do any business with the current leadership of the EU, US, and NATO. RobSZ+ 18:54, June 13, 2022 (EDT)

Europe is a big market for Russian oil and gas. Russia can't get the prices for Russian oil and gas in other countries that they can get in Europe. Over time, maybe more European countries will become like France and expand their nuclear power capabilities. It's hard to predict the distant future due to political/technological changes. Conservative (talk) 19:00, June 13, 2022 (EDT)

It's too late now. The West cut itself off, and Russia has made new contracts with others. RobSZ+ 19:05, June 13, 2022 (EDT)
Hard to predict? Here's what you can expect over the next 30 years. RobSZ+ 19:11, June 13, 2022 (EDT)
So now the West can debate with itself, "Is lifting sanctions rewarding an aggressor?" Sorry, the West will have to resolve those questions before this recession will ever end and a return to normalcy. RobSZ+ 18:56, June 13, 2022 (EDT)
So what is the West's argument? that the government of Ukraine murdering its own citizens is okay, but an outside power intervening is aggression, huh? RobSZ+ 18:59, June 13, 2022 (EDT)

After all is said and done, I think the Russia vs. Ukraine/West war will come down to will and mental toughness because artillery and trench warfare will play a big part in it. Putin and the Russians come across as being more tough and interested in this war than the French/Italians/Germans/Europeans. And America has a history of eventually tiring in modern overseas conflicts where there are not vital American interests at stake (Vietnam, Afghanistan and Syria). Ukraine borders Russia. It does not border the USA. See also: 7 reasons why Russians are so tough. Conservative (talk) 19:46, June 13, 2022 (EDT)

The USA and the UK have been among the biggest allies of Ukraine in this war. But war is expensive. And recent economic news is not good for the USA/UK.
USA economic news: The S&P 500 is in a bear market; here’s what that means
UK economic news: UK Economy Shrinks Unexpectedly and U.K. Economy Shrinks for Second Month as Outlook Dims and Sterling falls to 2-year low against dollar after UK economy contracts
It will be harder for Joe Biden and Boris Johnson to ask their citizens to stand with Ukraine when many of their citizens are standing in unemployment lines. Conservative (talk) 21:03, June 13, 2022 (EDT)
Russia has already won. It's moreless over, except for the senseless killing the U.S. unleashed.
The larger question is the future of the world order. Russia traditionally does not given up land it paid for in blood. It now realizes the mistake it made in allowing East Germany, Poland, the Baltics, etc to join its enemies, the fascist bloc. It is not going to ask for permission from the Anglo-American alliance to redraw international borders. It will dictate terms. RobSZ+ 21:08, June 13, 2022 (EDT)
When I think of Poland, the word "fascism" is not the first word that pops into my head. It's usually the word "Catholic". Conservative (talk) 21:13, June 13, 2022 (EDT)
Oh, there definitely are fascist Poles; as in Lithuania & Ukraine. They are notorious.
But ideology isn't at the root here. It's long simmering, tribal, internecine Slavic rivalries. Recall, the infant state of Poland (4 years old then) defeated the Russians in 1923. The Poles have long been Russians chief rivals, and the Ukrainians have long lived under the Polish yoke.
From the Soviet, and now Russian point of view, Russia never stopped fighting fascism. The US & UK simply broke with the alliance against Germany after 1945 and joined the fascist bloc. Giving up single party Leftist rule in 1991 did not change the fascist bloc of Western Europe and the United States instinctive racist hatred of Russians. RobSZ+ 21:41, June 13, 2022 (EDT)
So what happened to all those mighty Javelins and Howitzers? What happened to Zelensky marching on Moscow? What happened to Putin getting overthrown? After spending $53 billion dollars and cleaning out the storage room, we're told Ukraine is outgunned 15-1 despite having a manpower superiority on the ground. And those donated weapons are impossible to replace now, cause they need microchips to operate and Russia produces 80% of the world's neon gas necessary in microchip production.
What happened? There is no "news" here, it's called a narrative shift. Suddenly Ukraine's gonna lose and lose territory, as well. But 30,000 dead Ukrainians doesn't satisfy NATO warlords - they want more dead before a "negotiated settlement".
Russia was clear, and Russia will dictate terms. Ukraine will never join NATO. And now Finland will never join NATO, either, Just as Ukraine will be Finlandized, Finland will become Ukrainianized (i.e. rubbleized like Ukraine) if NATO wants to go ahead with its insane prospects again. RobSZ+ 23:12, June 13, 2022 (EDT)

7 lessons NATO should learn from the Ukraine war[edit]

NATO trainers of the Ukrainian army fought guerilla wars all over the world for the past several decades; Ukraine faced the same problem the British did in World War I - after fighting insurgencies all over the world for decades, they were not prepared and did not know how to face a modern conventional armed force. [11] RobSZ+ 17:00, June 17, 2022 (EDT)

Restricting abortion is an election winner[edit]

GOP candidates in the midterms should talk about what a great draft opinion Alito wrote and how Trump did a fantastic job of selecting judges with the help of the Federalist Society. We can look to international norms on this issue. Germany and Ireland ban abortion after twelve weeks. In Italy, its after the first 90 days (13 weeks). In Spain and France, its 14 weeks. How do we know that this approach will work? In the last week, the Dems have abandoned their abortion narrative in favor of one about guns. The Dems are a party that doesn't believe in anything except winning elections and power for themselves. This is what their pollsters have told them to do. See "The Media’s Holiday Narrative: All Guns, No Abortion." PeterKa (talk) 09:05, June 2, 2022 (EDT)

Roe vs. Wade being overturned will be a repellent to liberal blue staters moving to red states that are economically doing well. So red states will better be able to stay redder. Conservative (talk) 20:17, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
It seems that the WSJ doesn't agree with my analysis: "Upholding Roe v. Wade Is Supported by Most Americans, WSJ Poll Finds." IMO, this poll is intentionally misleading. It asks what reasons for abortion are legit. That's is the wrong question. The proper question is when should the cutoff be, in what week of pregnancy. PeterKa (talk) 20:26, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
Florida just passed a law to ban abortion after 15 weeks.[12] PeterKa (talk) 22:20, June 14, 2022 (EDT)

Latest news[edit]

With beginning of what called LGBT pride month (sodomy pride month), Monkeypox spread with highest numbers Silent spread of monkeypox may be a wakeup call for the world

there is also speculations that this virus was experimented in Wuhan lab, and mainstream media cover this

Stunning. Wuhan Lab was Experimenting with Monkeypox Last Year – Published Research Report in International Journal in February.

Due to their low fertility rate, Japan begun to push more pro-life legislation by preventing women from get abortion pills without their partner consent, which outrage feminists there.

Women in Japan will only be able to get abortion pills with their partner's permission --Alex Kosh (talk) 00:40, June 3, 2022 (EDT)

Big lose to Canadian Liberal party[edit]

Big lose to Liberal Party of Canada (Justin Trudeau party) and socialist New Democratic Party in Ontario elections, with conservatives gaining 16 more seats to become majority in Legislative Assembly of Ontario.

Ontario election 2022: Doug Ford, PCs wins massive majority victory, as NDP and Liberal leaders resign --Alex Kosh (talk) 13:25, June 3, 2022 (EDT)

Great tip. Posted, thanks!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 15:11, June 3, 2022 (EDT)

Next Wuhan lab virus[edit]

Wuhan Institute of Virology Publishes New “Gain of Function” Study Featuring Avian Flu Virus

CCP researchers created an H7N9 virus that killed 35% of the mice tested. It is interesting to note that H5N1 bird flu is now raging…killing nearly 100% of infected birds. And it appears that the virus has also been studied at the infamous institute.

Covid was leaked also from Wuhan lab, but China still deny that. Monkeypox also could leaked from this lab, and mainstream media cover this Wuhan Lab Involved in SARS-COV-2 Doing Monkeypox Virus Modification

Could H7N9 be next pandemic? --Alex Kosh (talk) 14:31, June 5, 2022 (EDT)

Exterminating the gay population through bioscience has been talked about for years. RobSZ 10:48, June 6, 2022 (EDT)
By whom?--Geopolitician (talk) 22:39, June 11, 2022 (EDT)
Ever since the AIDS virus was discovered back in the 1980s. RobSZ+ 00:16, June 12, 2022 (EDT)
I've been supportive of the theory that it was actually the US who released COVID, almost from the beginning. And ever since the DARPA leaks emerged back in January, I've been contending that the most likely scenario was a CIA agent infiltrating the Wuhan lab and sneaking out a sample of the virus before releasing it.
That being said, if that was the case then one must assume that the CCP has since taken drastic steps to prevent something like this from happening again. But if what you say is true and it has indeed happened again, then it means one of two things:
1) The CCP is far less competent than we thought, because it clearly failed to prevent the CIA from infiltrating the lab a second time; or
2) I've been totally wrong this whole time, and it really was the CCP who released COVID after all.
Of course I'll hold off on choosing between which of those two things to believe as we get more information.--Geopolitician (talk) 22:39, June 11, 2022 (EDT)
The problem is (a) you have no evidence for your theory; (b) you have no rational hypothesis for your theory. RobSZ+ 00:16, June 12, 2022 (EDT)
Actually, I do have evidence (the DARPA leaks) as well as a rational hypothesis. In fact, after the discovery of American biological weapons labs in Ukraine that hypothesis is stronger than ever.
The hypothesis (in its current form) goes like this:
As we all know the Deep State neocons want war with China just as much as they want war with Russia. And in late 2019, two major events occurred which made them conclude that Trump's China policy was going in what they considered to be the wrong direction. First there were the Hong Kong protests, which the Deep State neocons attempted to hijack and try to turn into another Maidan coup. But Trump refused to go along with it and shut that down. And then there were the "Phase One" trade deal negotiations between Trump and Xi. The Deep State neocons saw both of these events as signs that Trump was warming up to Xi, which they absolutely did not want to happen. So they decided to start a pandemic through a false flag event, with the other motivations (more money for Big Pharma; an excuse for a Great Reset; etc.) being mere icing on the cake. They had a CIA agent infiltrate the Wuhan lab, steal a sample of the virus, and release it from there.
They chose the Wuhan lab instead of one of our own labs for three reasons. First, releasing a virus from Wuhan would create irrefutable evidence that the virus came from a Chinese lab. Second, the fact that Dr. Fauci was involved in the research at the lab meant the Deep State neocons had a scapegoat from within the US government, who would get all the blame from those pointing fingers at Washington. And third, the COVID virus was both super-contagious and largely non-lethal, the perfect combination for those seeking to create a pandemic whose main goal was to cause changes in public policy rather than kill untold numbers of people.
Compare this to Ukraine. In Ukraine, the Maidan coup succeeded but the plans to use bioweapons on Russia were foiled. In Hong Kong, the Maidan coup failed but the plans to use bioweapons on China succeeded. Chances are we have a similar playbook against Iran. I wonder where the Maidan coup for them will be?--Geopolitician (talk) 16:49, June 12, 2022 (EDT)
Also take into account the fact that the Deep Statevneocons harbor a genocidal hatred for China, while the CCP doesn’t harbor the same genocidal hatred for the US, which means the Deep State neocons wants war with China far more than the CCP wants war with America. Furthermore, take into account the fact that Soros hates Xi and wants regime change in China.--Geopolitician (talk) 17:11, June 12, 2022 (EDT)
That sounds completely crazy to me.. RobSZ+ 19:01, June 12, 2022 (EDT)
e.g., " the "Phase One" trade deal negotiations between Trump and Xi. The Deep State neocons saw both of these events as signs that Trump was warming up to Xi..."
yah, raising tariffs $350 billion (nearly equal to half the trade deficit) on Chinese imports was "warming up", getting lovey-dovey, and coddling Xi, for which I'm sure Xi wanted to reciprocate affections. Want another swing at the T-ball?
This kind of analysis reminds me how donations to food banks were down because of Trump's trade war, or how global warming caused an over population of unadoptable cats in animal shelters. Or how racism doesn't exist in the United States cause we had a black president. Or how Ukraine has no Nazis cause Zelensky is Jewish. It all sort of has that PBS stench to it. RobSZ+ 15:14, June 13, 2022 (EDT)
Hey, don't blame me. This is what the neocons thought. I'm just pointing that out.
As to whether I believe Trump was warming up to Xi, who knows? Perhaps he thought making peace with Xi was the right thing to do, to oh I don't know, prevent a hot war that many feared and still fear is inevitable? And if that's the case, then we shouldn't have a problem with that. Trying to avoid a hot war with a nuclear power is a good thing, even if such efforts end up being misguided or in vain.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:15, June 16, 2022 (EDT)
The Chinese signed the paper work agreeing to fork over a little less than half their earnings in an import tax (tariff), fully aware that (1) 4 days later the covid cover up would be fully known to the world, (2) that in less than 90 days the Report on organ harvesting would be released to the world; (3) that in six months America would be on lockdown and the global economy would come to a screeching halt; (4) that the only prayer to defeat Trump would be to destroy the flourishing trump economy and allow for fraudulent mail-in ballots.
I don't see where your hallucinations about "warming" come from in the face of the factual, historical record which provides the evidence for the covid leak being deliberate, with a motive, by the CCP. RobSZ+ 17:24, June 21, 2022 (EDT)

"Mass shootings"[edit]

This reeks of the same provocations that occurred in Daraa, Syria to provoke the Syrian war, and the murder of the "Heavenly Hundred" that sparked the Maidan coup. RobSZ 11:44, June 6, 2022 (EDT)

Same "mass shooting" narrative from the Washington Examiner.

The political objective here would be the same as in the Obama-era Fast and Furious program - to spark widespread gun violence in the United States and promote gun seizure and gun control. RobSZ 11:58, June 6, 2022 (EDT)

As McCain told the Ukrainian neo-Nazis during the Maidan coup, the deaths of a few dozen wouldn't topple the regime, but at least a hundred attract attention. So we have a peek inside the IC playbook. RobSZ 17:48, June 6, 2022 (EDT)

I am NASA[edit]

No wonder we're losing the space race to Russia and China. Your tax dollars at work. RobSZ 17:43, June 6, 2022 (EDT)!

Ukrainian Ombudsman for Human Rights gets fired for fake mass rape allegations[edit]

This story is very revealing about modern "sovereign" "democratic" "independent" Ukraine. It shows us that Ukrainian leadership at the highest levels, as well as throughout the society, today cannot make the distinction between Soviet-era corruption and modern Western administrative, media, and institutional corruption. That lying justifies the end result - with no accountability demanded from society or institutions. RobSZ 18:44, June 6, 2022 (EDT)

And when she was fired, despite the fact 140 NGOs & journalists could not verify a single claim of rape or mass rape by Russian soldiers, the excuse for firing was put on failure to negotiate POW exchanges and to set up humanitarian corridors. So all the fake news about Russian rapists lingers out there with no retraction by Western media. Kinda reminds me of the firing of Andy McCabe over some nonsense that got his pension reinstated six months later. RobSZ 18:49, June 6, 2022 (EDT)

Far-Left San Francisco District Attorney Chesa Boudin Voted Out Of Office[edit]

Setback for the defund the police movement: Far-Left San Francisco District Attorney Chesa Boudin voted out of office in recall election. Former Republican Rick Caruso appears to advance to general election with far-left Congresswoman Karen Bass.

The rise of Hunter Biden[edit]

This New York Post story should be on MPR: "Insiders — and Hunter himself — say scandal-clad first son is Joe Biden’s ‘closest adviser’." So he really is the smartest guy Joe knows. I guess that explains a lot. PeterKa (talk) 09:29, June 9, 2022 (EDT)


  • FBI arrests Michigan GOP candidate for governor. [1]
  • The GOP law and order elephant is going to stomp the Democrat donkey in the 2022 midterm elections. See: Red wave
What's wrong with this picture? RobSZ+ 16:35, June 9, 2022 (EDT)
One GOP candidate being arrested is not going to topple the GOP's prospects for the midterms. When people see a bad apple in a barrel, they don't assume the whole barrel of apples is rotten. Logicians would agree with this quote: "The Fallacy of Composition involves taking attributes of part of an object or class and applying them to the entire object or class. It is similar to the Fallacy of Division but works in reverse."[13]
In addition, in politics, it is often a case of voting for the lessor of two evils. And the Democrats are more evil and more incompetent.
P.S. There is going to be a red wave in the midterms! The Democrats are not going to make much of a dent in the current high inflation going on in the USA nor are they going to make much of a dent in the higher crime rate. Conservative (talk) 20:33, June 11, 2022 (EDT)
What makes you think he was a bad apple? Maybe election fraud and FBI meddling in elections will kill the GOP's prospects. We need to focus more on the issues, and stop giving a false sense of security that everything will be okay. RobSZ+ 22:24, June 11, 2022 (EDT)
Maybe lightning will strike me next week. I don't live my life by unlikely maybes for the most part (except for the basics like having more than one stream income rather than have all my eggs in one basket). The GOP passed a lot of election integrity laws. Post 2020 presidential election, many Trump supporters have become active in being election workers. Conservative (talk) 22:34, June 11, 2022 (EDT)
Nobody's talking about how you live your life. We're talking about informing voters. And you claim, "La De Da, ignore issues. Yeah team!", ignoring the facts that neutral and independent voters DO NOT respond to your use of name-brand political parties, such as "GOP" or "Republican", as you imagine; Secondly, you ignore the fact that election fraudsters & the FBI can steal your "red wave" in a heartbeat, as they did 2018 and 2020. RobSZ+ 00:25, June 12, 2022 (EDT)
Basicaslly, you sound like Liz Cheney. Every prediction of a "red wave" is like saying "Joe Biden won fair and square", and "Let's keep playing the role of ignorant suckers." RobSZ+ 00:42, June 12, 2022 (EDT)

The hunting of the Supreme Court[edit]

While the Dems bray about "Democracy!" at the January 6 hearings, their treatment of the U.S. Supreme Court shows what they really think of the idea. Two years ago, Senator Chuck Schumer told justices Kavanaugh and Gorsuch that, "you will pay the price." After the attempt on Kavanaugh a few days ago, the next target could be Justice Amy Barrett. Ruth Sent Us has posted a message to their ​​20,000 followers to tell them where her children go to school and what church she attends. See "Democrats put out a contract on Justice Barrett."

Abortion enthusiasts responded to the news of the attempt on Kavanaugh by protesting both at his house and at Justice Roberts' house. Protesting at a home to influence a ruling is illegal under federal law. Protesting at anyone's home violates Virginia law. Where is Attorney General Merrick Garland? Not doing his job and arresting protestors: "Even After Assassination Attempt, Garland Allows Activists to Break the Law."

At very least, the Ford Foundation and the other groups funding this activity should lose their tax exempt status. PeterKa (talk) 09:11, June 11, 2022 (EDT)

When the Dems talk about "our democracy", what they mean is "defend our Democratic Party rule". RobSZ+ 12:13, June 11, 2022 (EDT)
Now I know why many conservatives believe in guns, walls, gated communities and living low crime, conservative, rural areas.
I think Brett Kavanaugh should watch Sylvestor Stallone's movie Last Blood. Here is a key scene: Last Blood scene.
I hope Kavannaugh had some foresight and realized that overturning Roe vs. Wade would turn some evil liberal/leftists into murderous savages. Maybe he had a chance to dig some of the tunnels by now. Conservative (talk) 12:42, June 11, 2022 (EDT)

The NYT turns on Biden[edit]

Biden has lost the New York Times . See "Should Biden Run in 2024? Democratic Whispers of ‘No’ Start to Rise." He has "built a reputation for gaffes has repeatedly rattled global diplomacy with unexpected remarks that were later walked back by his White House staff, and as he has sat for fewer interviews than any of his recent predecessors," according to the article. If the Republicans win the midterms, there is going to be a push to make him resign. PeterKa (talk) 20:10, June 11, 2022 (EDT)

Resigning won't change anything. Kamala is even less competent and it will be the same staff making decisions and running things. RobSZ+ 20:19, June 11, 2022 (EDT)
It's Anita Dunn and Susan Rice running the country. To make any real change you'd have to get rid of them. But being Democrats, of course, there's always worse people to fill those spots. RobSZ+ 20:24, June 11, 2022 (EDT)
So to make any real change, the Biden junta, Dominion Voting Systems, and State Street Capital have to be removed from power. RobSZ+ 20:26, June 11, 2022 (EDT)
If Joe doesn't go gently after the midterm, the DOJ can indict Hunter. Charging him with lying on his firearms application would be a good start. PeterKa (talk) 18:07, June 12, 2022 (EDT)
Biden's personal fate is small potatoes compared to the real challenges we face. Biden & Kamala's personal fate over the next two and half years has no baring on the real problems we face. Biden and Kamala gossip is like taking People magazine seriously. RobSZ+ 19:12, June 12, 2022 (EDT)

Patriot Front arrested in Idaho[edit]

My favorite FBI front group was busted in Idaho: "31 Patriot Front members arrested near Idaho pride event." They arrived in U-Hauls wearing "Reclaim America" shirts. Don't worry about the PF members. The charge is a misdemeanor. Whoever heard of cops preemptively arresting potential rioters? The North Idaho Pride Alliance sure gets a level of protection that those threatened by BLM and Antifa rioters never got. Gateway Pundit calls PF "an alleged white supremacy group." PeterKa (talk) 04:29, June 12, 2022 (EDT)

So another FBI false flag effort to meddle in the 2022 Midterm elections garners national publicity. Who is controlling the dialogue? RobSZ+ 19:15, June 12, 2022 (EDT)

Propaganda update[edit]

"John Joseph Mearsheimer (/ˈmɪərʃaɪmər/; born December 14, 1947) is an American political scientist and international relations scholar, who belongs to the realist school of thought." - Wikipedia.[14]
It's too bad that the Biden/Harris "team" seems oblivious to reality and comprehends so little of it (There is friction between Biden and Harris).
"A now-deleted tweet from Vice President Kamala Harris suggested Tuesday that Ukraine was a member of NATO." - NY Post.[15] Conservative (talk) 20:44, June 13, 2022 (EDT)
In the Davos cage match between Kissinger the dove and Soros the hawk, it looks like Kissinger won. Too bad and too late. The West under the Davos crowd has already slit its own throat and is slowly bleeding to death. RobSZ+ 23:31, June 13, 2022 (EDT)
The lesson no one in the West is learning from this is: forcing the LGBT agenda on the planet is enough to start World War III. RobSZ+ 23:37, June 13, 2022 (EDT)
Mearsheimer: "The more successful we are, the United States and its allies, at achieving our war aims, the more likely it is that the war will turn nuclear." RobSZ+ 18:36, June 17, 2022 (EDT)
  • Update: The news is coming in slowly cause when 1,800 Ukrainians surrendered enmasse in the Gorskoye-Zolote cauldron, it takes a few days to process them all and slows down the fighting; when this is over, it will take even longer to process what remains of the 8,000 who chose to survive in Lysychansk. As Jake Dreizin points out, the longer a group holds out, the stronger their will to survive rather than die in a hopeless cause. RobSZ+ 16:02, June 25, 2022 (EDT)

Domestic propaganda[edit]

  • Did you know the "religious right" is responsible for high gas prices? How would you respond to this? Remember, this is only one voter, and her vote cancels out your vote. And do not fool yourself into believing, "Well, this is only one idiot." Supposedly 81 million idiots voted for Biden. RobSZ+ 15:16, June 20, 2022 (EDT)

Bad news for Russia, Ukraine and America[edit]

“Russia [is] haemorrhaging millionaires,” said Andrew Amoils, the head of research at New World Wealth, which compiled the data for Henley. “Affluent individuals have been emigrating from Russia in steadily rising numbers every year over the past decade, an early warning sign of the current problems the country is facing. Historically, major country collapses have usually been preceded by an acceleration in emigration of wealthy people, who are often the first to leave as they have the means to do so.

Ukraine is projected to suffer the greatest loss of high net worth individuals (HNWIs) as a proportion of its population, with 2,800 millionaires (or 42% of all HNWIs in Ukraine) expected to have left the country by the end of the year.

Source: More than 15,000 millionaires expected to leave Russia in 2022. Conservative (talk) 01:56, June 14, 2022 (EDT)

Also, wealthy Americans are buying second passports. Conservative (talk) 02:01, June 14, 2022 (EDT)

Really? You think they can take their wealth with them, in whatever form, gold, oil, dollars, euros, rubbles? Are they really rich when they no longer have the source of their wealth? Are Russians that stupid and ignorant that no entrepreneurs can step up and fill in the gap?
Please, stop with these racist attacks on Russian you pick up from MSM. RobSZ+ 02:19, June 14, 2022 (EDT)
There are plenty of smart Russians - Sputnik, Russian chess champions and clever Russian hackers are proof of this. It is the corrupt Russian leader Putin who is foolish. And many smart and/or very ambitious Russians with valuable skills are emigrating and leaving Russia/Putin behind them because they believe their future projected higher incomes outside of Russia will offset any costs associatede with moving out of Russia. Russia isn't the first area to experience a brain drain and it will not be the last. Conservative (talk) 11:38, June 14, 2022 (EDT)
Conservapedia has an article about this phenomenon called vote with your feet. Conservative (talk) 11:52, June 14, 2022 (EDT)
I see. So they come to the West so they can be their authentic gay selves. RobSZ+ 13:30, June 14, 2022 (EDT)
Putin can't be that dumb - he's driving a wooden stake through the heart of globalism. RobSZ+ 13:32, June 14, 2022 (EDT)
These CIA talking points about a "brain drain" are almost laughable - that some Russians are willing to sell out their country for money to defend the LGBT flag. Sure, some may be willing to, but not the best and brightest. RobSZ+ 19:08, June 15, 2022 (EDT)
America's public schools have lost at least 1.2 million students since 2020 and there is less LGBTQ indoctrination in private religious schools.[16]. In addition, SCOTUS may soon rule on a case and alllow school choice.[17] In addition, "Enrolment in private schools has risen globally over the past 15 years, from 10-17% at primary level and from 19-27% at secondary level; the increases are happening not so much in the rich world as in low- and middle-income countries."[18]
And secularization is going to stall in the USA sometime between 2030 to 2050 due to subreplacement level of births among the nonreligious while the religious population with higher than average level of births and religious immigrants is going to increase.[19][20] Europe is going to go through the same desecularization. Conservative religious people in Abrahamic religions see homosexuality as a sin.
On top of this, when a country prospers, it is easier for them to turn their back on God. Adversity does sober some people up. The USA and Western Europe are heading towards some very heavy economic seas down the pike due to their indebtedness, an aging European population, etc.
After all is said and done, the gay parade is heading down a dead end in terms of widespread acceptance due to demography, a constricting of public school indoctrination and economic difficult times.
On the other hand, the Bible does talk about wickedness increasing in the end times, so down the pike, maybe the acceptance of LGBTQ will later tick up. Conservative (talk) 20:56, June 15, 2022 (EDT)
Ok, so the Russian nation repented, turned to God, and threw off leftist secularism in 1991; now all you do is spew the Satanic leftist hate of the CIA, academia, and the MSM about Russia. RobSZ+ 21:15, June 15, 2022 (EDT)
Picture a straight road in your mind. Now picture a road with many turns along the way. There are many more varieties of non-straight roads because a road can deviate from straightness in many ways. The same applies to deviating from a sinless path. There many types of sin and homosexuality is one variety. Russia has a problem with corruption, drunkeness, etc. It is not a spiritually healthy society. People often get the government they deserve and Russia has the kleptocrat Putin as its leader. Conservative (talk) 21:44, June 15, 2022 (EDT)
Russia is not slouching toward Gomorrah as the US and EU are. In fact, they are taking a stand against it. Lot couldn't find ten good men; we got maybe 57 in the House, and Putin has millions. But you sound like Peter, "I don't know the man." RobSZ+ 21:52, June 15, 2022 (EDT)

I suspect it was the weakness of the Russian Orthodox Church that caused the godless communists to take over in the Russian Revolution. As Alexander Solzhenitsyn said, "Men have forgotten God. That is why this has happened."

I am glad that there is a resurgence of religion in Russia. And I am glad that Protestantism is growing in Russia too.

Regardless, after the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, it is estimated that more than 300,000 Russian citizens and residents left Russia by mid-March 2022. Conservative (talk) 23:41, June 15, 2022 (EDT)

Big deal. They're probably coming across the U.S. southern border, where they'll be greeted with racism, hate, and bigotry, much to their chagrin. Most will long to return to the Ruski Mir. We got the same knuckleheads in this country, "If Trump gets elected, I'm moving to Canada." RobSZ+ 01:13, June 16, 2022 (EDT)
<digression>Rumor is, Russia may announce a full mobilization in the next 3 weeks to deal with de-nazifying the rest of NATO. Not that they have to - they don't need conscripts cause the recruiting offices are overflowing with volunteers. See, that's the type of information you miss listening to Western MSM agitprop which censors the news. RobSZ+ 01:21, June 16, 2022 (EDT)
Another unexpectedly strong bag of copium, eh? Don't shoot at any demons that suddenly appear out of the darkness. They're probably just the cops trying to get you back safe to the old people's home. ConwayIII (talk) 20:18, June 16, 2022 (EDT)
The latest is, Putin won't declare it at the St. Petersburg summit tomorrow, but the games of cat n mouse Russia is playing on the Kharkov front and along the Russian border, allowing Ukraine to fire into Russia proper, is all part of the set up for domestic propaganda, to say "See, this is why we have to mobilize." RobSZ+ 20:54, June 16, 2022 (EDT)

Russian oil export revenue soars[edit]

Where does Russia get the money to pay for the Ukraine war? Higher gas prices! In the first hundred days of the Ukraine war, China brought $12.6 billion of Russian oil, Germany $12.1 billion, and Italy $7.8 billion. Sixty-one percent of Russian fossil fuel revenue comes from the European Union. See "Russia’s oil export revenue soars to $98 billion as war in Ukraine rages on." PeterKa (talk) 05:38, June 14, 2022 (EDT)

Now you sound just like Joe Biden, "Putin's gas tax." There goes your red wave. RobSZ+ 19:39, June 14, 2022 (EDT)
Oil prices will probably drop. Many countries appear to be heading for a recession. Conservative (talk) 11:54, June 14, 2022 (EDT)
Russia Can “Turn Off” The US With ONE Decision. RobSZ+ 14:44, June 14, 2022 (EDT)
Dang, Putin must be pretty stupid if he hasn't cut off uranium exports to the US that fuel nuclear power plants - even after the US murdered 11 Russian generals and 500 sailors aboard the Moskva.
If it were me, you'd have been eating raw TV dinners after your freezer and microwave lost power and before the food spoiled a few months, if not years, ago. RobSZ+ 14:54, June 14, 2022 (EDT)
Biden Admin Quietly Urging Companies To Purchase Russian Fertilizer:
"we can't help but see the irony that Washington is urging farmers to buy Russian fertilizer (implicitly in part funding Putin's war against Ukraine), while at the same time providing arms and funding to Ukraine (in Ukraine's war against Russia). A real MIC [ military industrial complex ] reacharound." RobSZ+ 19:31, June 14, 2022 (EDT)
I feel that I have perhaps been misunderstood. My point was that lower gas prices should be a priority since that would undermine the Russian war effort. Saudi Arabia sets the world oil price, not Russia. They hiked the price to retaliate against Biden for his pro-Iranian policies. PeterKa (talk) 21:07, June 14, 2022 (EDT)
That's playing by the old rules and the old conventional wisdom. Everything has changed. Biden interfered with natural market forces on day one of his presidency. The petrodollar system is ending. The SWIFT network shrunk itself. The West is using the Ukraine war as excuse to detox from fossil fuels and transition to a renewable energy economy (good luck with that one). And the field of macroeconomics obviously has failed or has some magnificent flaws, cause the Russian Federation's GDP is most definitely larger than Spain or the Benelux countries, as the instigators of this war mistakenly convinced themselves it was. RobSZ+ 21:35, June 14, 2022 (EDT)

Please Add To In The News[edit]

Please Add To In The News

Republican flips Congressional seat in Texas. --TheNewRight (talk) 23:35, June 14, 2022 (EDT)

Terrific suggestion!!! Posted.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 01:04, June 15, 2022 (EDT)
Thank You!--TheNewRight (talk) 10:45, June 15, 2022 (EDT)

Fauci tests positive for covid[edit]

This has gotta go on MPR: "Quadruple-vaxxed Dr. Fauci tests positive for COVID-19." He's not alone: "Rep. Maxine Waters, Canadian PM Justin Trudeau positive for COVID-19 after Summit of the Americas." Its the second time for both of them. PeterKa (talk) 06:08, June 16, 2022 (EDT)

Why do you care?[edit]

Because we should all care about the presence of evil in our world. Here is excellent take down of the ostentatious refusal to care about children swapping their gender by "yawning" liberals. PeterKa (talk) 06:02, June 16, 2022 (EDT)

Setback For The Transgender Agenda[edit]

Please add to In The News:

Setback for the Transgender Agenda: Governor Ron DeSantis moves deny taxpayer dollars for transgender "treatments." --TheNewRight (talk) 12:10, June 17, 2022 (EDT)

Russia vs. the globalist West[edit]

In preparation of Biden's visit to Saudi Arabia to beg for more oil, Saudi Arabia has beheaded 81 homosexuals. Is there any question which side the sovereign state of Saudi Arabia is on as Russia denazify's NATO and the West? RobSZ+ 14:08, June 18, 2022 (EDT)

There is nothing about homosexuals in the CNN story. "These individuals, totaling 81, were convicted of various crimes including murdering innocent men, women and children," the interior ministry said in a statement. "Crimes committed by these individuals also include pledging allegiance to foreign terrorist organizations, such as ISIS (Islamic State), al Qaeda and the Houthis." PeterKa (talk) 10:00, June 20, 2022 (EDT)

That was overkill[edit]

The Kalibr missile was designed to hit DC from the mid-Atlantic and travels a Mach 3. The Russians used it to go only 400 km to wipe out the Ukrainian General Staff. Zelensky himself was in town, which may be why so many generals were gathered in one place. The Russians aren't playing anymore. Kyiv may be next, and Johnson, Macron, Scholz, and Draghi may think twice before visiting again. RobSZ+ 15:00, June 19, 2022 (EDT)

We can file this alongside your previous reporting re. Russian armour rolling into Odessa, NATO troops trapped in Azovstal, the Poles invading, and the closure of various imaginary cauldrons. ConwayIII (talk) 19:24, June 19, 2022 (EDT)
Lukashenko is going to deal with the Poles. RobSZ+ 20:35, June 19, 2022 (EDT)
And armour moving into Odessa was your pals, the transvestite twins Zelensky & Arestovich. Whatever NATO officers don't get traded back for hostages held in the West will stand trial at the denazification trials later this summer. But don't worry about that - all of them will undergo interrogation before ever being released. You haven't been seeing the news in recent weeks - 20,000 to 30,000 Ukrops have been decimated in cauldrons in the past six weeks. Need the video of John Kirby weeping at the Pentagon press podium as 8 years of NATO efforts to build the Ukrainian army went up in smoke in an afternoon? RobSZ+ 20:45, June 19, 2022 (EDT)
Gotta love the latest NATO "assistance"; Zelensky announces Ukraine is losing 20,000 men a month, so Boris Johnson goes to Kyiv to tell him, "Don't worry, we'll train 10,000 replacements every 4 months." Now, we can reduce this to a simple quadratic equation using whatever starting figure you like, 265,000, 350,000, 700,000, 1 million or 2 million, but we can fairly accurately calculate how much time they have left - baring the human element and emotion of recruits not being demoralized by reality and the lack of regard for human life by the Ukrainian & NATO Nazi leadership. RobSZ+ 20:55, June 19, 2022 (EDT)
So, the UK can train 30,000 troops a year who will be wiped out on the battlefield in 6 weeks; so let's assume the Ukraine can mobilize 1 million fighters. That would take only 100 years to train them all, and they can all be eliminated in 33 weeks, or about 8 months. Sounds like a game plan, to me. RobSZ+ 21:01, June 19, 2022 (EDT)
Professor John Mearsheimer whose comments over the years has been prescient about Russia/Ukraine says this war is probably going to drag on for a while. So the ConwayIII vs. RobS battle on this issue can probably be likened to commentators commenting on grass growing on a particular lawn. There are probably not going to be any decisive battles in this war. Instead, it is going to be a slow grind. Also, wars are often more difficult to predict than sports events. Conservative (talk) 00:35, June 20, 2022 (EDT)
You evidently didn't listen to Mearsheimer. In a slow grind, the Russians win. That's why NATO keeps escalating the war, risking nuclear annihilation. RobSZ+ 00:48, June 20, 2022 (EDT)
Bottomline: The Russians will not sit tight for a "slow grind" as NATO continues killing Russian soldiers and ethnic Russians. RobSZ+ 00:52, June 20, 2022 (EDT)
John Mearsheimer frankly stated that he doesn't know if the Russians or the Ukrainians will win the war. But he also says that there is a risk that the Russians will go nuclear if they are losing bad enough. So he is for ending the war through negotiation. But he said also said that neither country wants to give concessions at this point so this war will drag out (He said Zelensky briefly floated the idea of Urkraine giving up the idea of joining NATO, but the hardliners in his government would never agree to that now so it will not happen at this point). Mearsheimer does personally lean towards the view that arming Ukraine will wreck Ukraine and they cannot defeat the Russians, but he is not certain about this and he said wars are hard to predict. He also says the risk of a nuclear war keeps would keep going up if the West were to be in a position where they to keep increasing the amount of winning they do in the war so it is not worth the risk because a nuclear war could be catastrophic. Listen to his most recent interview: Wrecking Ukraine: The cost of Winning the War with Geopolitics Expert John Mearsheimer. Conservative (talk) 08:13, June 20, 2022 (EDT)
"hardliners in his government", aka Ukrainian "nationalists", aka Nazis. Zelensky is beholden to the Nazis for his power. The Russians will not negotiate with Nazis. They are there to denazify Ukraine and all of NATO, if necessary. RobSZ+ 12:17, June 20, 2022 (EDT)

Also, Mearsheimer thinks the Russians would probably use a nuke if they were losing. I think it is unlikely the Russians would use a nuke. One reason is the risk of nuclear war. Secondly, Russia is downwind of Ukraine and the countries border each other. Conservative (talk) 10:00, June 20, 2022 (EDT)

The only thing keeping Ukraine in the war is outside forces. Russia is not fighting Ukraine, or just Ukraine. Russia is at war right now with NATO. Russians are not stupid, unlike the brainwashed Western public that believes MSM garbage wholesale. And yes, as Mearsheimer says, it's an "existential threat" to both, NATO and Russia. Only in the Russian case, it is not a threat based on pride and embarrassment if they lose. If NATO looses, or rather when NATO looses, our masters and overlords will have no further reason for existence.
As to nukes, yes, Russia is downwind from Western Europe; it is not so far downwind from North America. And the people and governments of Western Europe are not the root cause of the violence, they are merely subjects and vassals (recall at the time of the Maidan coup which started this war, Victoria Nuland never consulted with the EU. When the EU found out about the anti-democratic coup, it was a fait accompli, and they did nothing to oppose US oppression. They went along with it. They themselves need liberation - which you yourself constantly refer to as "rightwing populist" movements in Europe). RobSZ+ 10:14, June 20, 2022 (EDT)
A word should be said about a "negotiated settlement" which is bandied about today. It takes two to negotiate. IOWs, Russia would have to agree to "negotiate" with a representative of whatever remains of the Ukrainian government, or NATO, or the US State Department. Russia is not in any mood to negotiate with the Zelensky regime, the Biden junta, or any of the EU princelings. They all need to be replaced first. RobSZ+ 10:18, June 20, 2022 (EDT)
This is not a war over land or territory; it is a war to subjugate Russia to the West in the same manner that Germany & Japan were thoroughly subjugated to the West after 1945. That will not happen. You personally will fry in a nuclear holocaust first. RobSZ+ 12:10, June 20, 2022 (EDT)
Footnote: 1/3 of the 99 Howitzers (which were never enough) have been destroyed already. (Incidentally, the definition of "independence" and "sovereignty" means you pay for your own damn defense). Keep rooting for NATO, and we can send you as part of the Volksturm. RobSZ+ 13:31, June 20, 2022 (EDT)
Footnote 2: An additional 15 American made M777 Howitzers were destroyed overnite, meaning about half of the 99 now have been destroyed. Additionally, allegations are being made that the HIMARs are being used against civilians; this however needs further verification. 16:19, June 21, 2022 (EDT) More
Add, or rather subtract, two more. [21] RobSZ+ 00:27, June 26, 2022 (EDT)
Face facts: the United States is not a land power like Germany, France, Russia, or China are. While we can build heavy weapons like tanks, artillery, multiple rocket launchers like they do, it is impossible to keep them supplied with the quantities of ammunition necessary to make them effective. Nukes have been our first line of defense since 1945, which few are willing to admit and even fewer believe will ever be used. OTHO, we have a psychotic in the White House surrounded by psychotic advisors. If Putin is to be blamed for anything, it is for choosing right now to make them make these decisions. RobSZ+ 16:27, June 21, 2022 (EDT)
Actually, Professor John Mearsheimer says Russia perceives NATO successfully recruiting Ukraine as an existential threat. But as any marketer worth his salt knows, perception is not in actuality reality (But for the consumer of well-done marketing material, "perception is reality"). Similarly, Mearsheimer points out that the West perceives itself as a benign hegemony.
Anyways, I have no idea how this will end. At first, I thought this war would not lead to WWIII or a nuclear bomb being used. Now I am not so sure about this. Conservative (talk) 11:17, June 21, 2022 (EDT)
Well, we might not live long enough to post it in Conservapedia proven right. I sit on top of the largest nuclear dump in the free world'; Kaliningrad ranks up there with nuclear weapons storage facilities, too., and that NATO provocation won't be ignored by Russia. RobSZ+ 13:36, June 21, 2022 (EDT)

War aims[edit]

Mearsheimer says, "wars are hard to predict." Yes, this true about wars. The stated objectives at the outset of a war are seldom achieved, and the outcome evolves over the course of the war. Numerous examples abound. For example, Woodrow Wilson's war to "make the world safe for democracy" ended with the creation of the most anti-democratic regime on the face of the planet, the USSR; or FDR & Churchill's Atlantic Charter and the "right of self-determination" which read, "after the destruction of the Nazi tyranny", specifically did not say "destruction of the Nazi regime", i.e. FDR & Churchill were willing to allow the Nazi regime to survive under the "right of self-determination" if that is what the German people voted for as they did in 1932 provided that the Nazi regime respected the inviolability of borders.

By contrast now, you have the Gulf war of 1991 whose stated objective was to liberate Kuwait, and not regime change in Baghdad. Yet public opinion tossed Papy Bush out on his ear for adhering to the stated objectives because the objectives evolved in the public consciousness over the course of the war.

Now, in the present circumstance, Putin never declared regime change as the objective. It was demilitarization and denazification. Donbas can, will be, and is being denazified right now. Lvov is different matter. "Demilitarization" means the Kyiv regime, whether is remains independent or becomes a Russian satellite regime, re-imposes its constitutional amendment to remain neutral and never join NATO. So how do these war objectives work out in overall military planning and objectives?

It means, Russia was willing to allow the Kyiv regime to keep its outside port access to the world at Odessa at the start of the war, sort of like the Polish Corridor between 1919 and 1939. But now we see the objectives evolving. Do the Russians go for uniting all Russian speaking territories like Transnistria and Moldova, and denazify (or "de-nato-ize") Romania, as well? These objectives were not stated at the outset, but NATO is trying to bait Russia into doing it. And Russian public opinion will have a bearing on that decision. RobSZ+ 12:45, June 20, 2022 (EDT)

Texas GOP[edit]

The platform adopted by the Texas GOP should be a model for the Republican party nationwide. Texans had the courage as party to say Joe Biden "was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States", they call homosexuality an "abnormal lifestyle choice" which even Trump refused to do, they declared opposition "to all efforts to validate transgender identity", they called for the protection of conversion therapy, they want to require all Texan students to learn about the humanity of the pre-born child, they urged a return to the God-ordained definition of marriage, and want an end to no-fault divorce!! Texas GOP even want a statewide electoral college which would guarantee the voting power of the rural conservative and protect them from being diluted by immigrants, communist thugs, and liberals in cities: genius! This is where the national GOP needs to go. A unified rejection of Biden and a declaration of rejection, line by line, of all the woke nonsense the communists are preaching--IScott (talk) 00:06, June 20, 2022 (EDT)

Needless to say this needs to be added to MPR --IScott (talk) 00:08, June 20, 2022 (EDT)
Great suggestion! Posted!!! Thanks.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 00:30, June 20, 2022 (EDT)

Putin Price Hike[edit]

Oh, now we're pitching Biden talking points on MPR? "Russian Squeeze on Energy Prices." RobSZ+ 19:27, June 20, 2022 (EDT)

There goes your red wave. Biden & sanctions aren't responsible for price hikes, Putin & Russia are. Why do we need to confuse readers with this MSM junk? Oh, "cause it says so in the WSJ". RobSZ+ 19:35, June 20, 2022 (EDT)

So what's the story here? "The globalist good guy fell cause of the evil Putin and right wing populism". I git it, "rightwing populists are in bed with kleptocrats and authoritarian dictators against all that is good and holy." Yah, makes perfect sense now. RobSZ+ 19:43, June 20, 2022 (EDT)

Don't forget the religious right, of which Putin is one, presumably. The timing couldn't be worse for your red wave, cause people only now seem to be getting a little pissed off. RobSZ+ 19:48, June 20, 2022 (EDT)

So Dems are POed cause it costs $98 to fill the tank; What's the solution? Obvious. Another $3000 stimulus check from the Federal Reserve Board printing presses just before November. That ought to help the Red Wave and inflation at the same time, huh? Sheeesh, if they can $53 billion to Ukrainian Nazis, another $3,000 to the hurting masses of American voters is nothing. RobSZ+ 19:58, June 20, 2022 (EDT)

" We all hear about the so-called ‘Putin price hike’ in the West. When I see this, I wonder who they expect would buy this stupidity – people who cannot read or write, maybe. Anyone literate enough to read would understand what is actually happening. - Vladimir Putin, June 17, 2022. RobSZ+ 23:07, June 20, 2022 (EDT)

Setback for homosexual agenda in Japan[edit]

A Japanese court ruled Monday that the country’s ban on same-sex marriage does not violate the constitution, and rejected demands for compensation by three couples who said their right to free union and equality has been violated.

Japan court says ban on same-sex marriage constitutional --Alex Kosh (talk) 01:00, June 22, 2022 (EDT)

China and Japan have a communal mindset/morality and each recognizes they have aging populations and that they are heading towards bitterly cold demographic winters due to their respective subreplacement level of births. Obviously, the societal acceptance of homosexuality does not help boost a society's fertility rate. So each of these societies are actively discouraging homosexuality in their societies. And both societies are not fond of foreigners so turning on the immigration spigots is unpalatable to each of these countries. Conservative (talk) 09:25, June 22, 2022 (EDT)

Andrew Gillum Arrested[edit]

Please Add To In The News

Liberal Democrat Andrew Gillum arrested for fraud. --TheNewRight (talk) 13:00, June 22, 2022 (EDT)

Why don't you add it to the Andrew Gillum article? It seems his career was over anyway. RobSZ+ 12:54, June 23, 2022 (EDT)
We got a better (censored) photograph of him here: 2020_Democrat_primaries#Back_of_the_bus_-_possible_VP_picks (scroll down) when he was arrested nude in a motel room with two other men smoking meth, although I still don't see how or why that would eliminate him from contention for the VP spot on a Democrat ticket. I mean, he was only accused. Innocent til proven guilty. Biden took him off the short list cause he's black. RobSZ+ 13:01, June 23, 2022 (EDT)
Ok! Will Do! --TheNewRight (talk) 13:46, June 23, 2022 (EDT)

Colbert reacts to arrests[edit]

A sign outside Majorie Taylor Greene's office.
Seven members of Stephen Colbert's staff were arrested for "illegal entry" of the Capital, but got released the next morning. Hundreds of J6 demonstrators spent months in prison for this charge. So exactly what provoked the arrests? We can't get a straight answer. Colbert is hiding behind his toy dog: "Drawing any equivalency between a rioter storming the Capitol to prevent the counting of electoral ballots and a cigar-chomping toy dog is a shameful and grotesque insult to the memory of everyone who died and obscenely trivializes the service and the courage the Capitol Police showed on that terrible day."[22]

But Colbert, it was exactly those courageous Capitol Police officers who arrested your staff. Did the staff overstay at the Capitol to vandalize a sign outside the door of US Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene's office? Here is the sign in question: "There are only TWO genders: MALE & FEMALE. "Trust the science!"" I need a sign like this. PeterKa (talk) 15:51, June 22, 2022 (EDT)

"shameful and grotesque insult to the memory of everyone who died", yah Rosanne Boyland and Ashli Babbitt. Sounds like Colbert joined the deplorables. RobSZ+ 16:09, June 22, 2022 (EDT)

Lt. Col. Daniel Davis: Ukraine is going to lose this war and there will be a ton of damaged areas in Ukraine[edit]

Joe Biden is handling many things badly. This war will probably not be an exception to Biden's tendency to screw things up. And Germany/France are not enthusiastic supporters of this war when it comes to arming the Ukrainians. But war is unpredictable so time will tell. Conservative (talk) 01:49, June 23, 2022 (EDT)

  • Colonel Douglas Macgregor: “The war is over…Ukraine is now a failed state, it's collapsed, people are being pushed at gunpoint into Russian fire...Ukraine should pack it in, unfortunately the White House and 10 Downing St. War Hawks won't let Zelensky surrender...Too bad...The death toll rises on so many young Ukrainians”
  • Scott Ritter: “NATO and the United States are facing the kind of moral and physical defeat at the hands of Russia that will probably mean the end of NATO...I don't think NATO survives this”
  • German TV: Russia Has DEFEATED Ukraine.
RobSZ+ 11:32, June 23, 2022 (EDT)
Back in the real world, of course, the EU just announced Ukraine (and Moldova's) candidate status, the Germans have started delivery of heavy artillery, and Macron has announced this only ends once the Russians GTFO, up to & including Crimea. But other than that, yeah, Europe is totally wavering here. ConwayIII (talk) 19:02, June 23, 2022 (EDT)
When the UK votes to rejoin the EU your argument might carry some weight and make some sense. RobSZ+ 21:28, June 24, 2022 (EDT)
The Russians have already began reverse engineering the French CEASAR self-propelled Howitzer they bought from Ukrainians. As soon as a deal is concluded or AFU just runs away and leaves it sit on the battlefield, they'll be reverse engineering those German PANZER 2000s. They are in need of an upgrade from the T-90 which hasn't been upgraded since 1990 and the collapse of the USSR.
The tragedy is, their best and brightest are already dead. Last I heard, Ukraine is drafting people with cerebral palsy to train on these sophisticated NATO weapons. The able bodied with or without brains have a enough sense to desert or run away to avoid the draft. RobSZ+ 19:12, June 23, 2022 (EDT)
Angela Merkel, the former Chancellor of Germany, warned of the danger of promoting the idea of NATO membership for Ukraine and the Russians attacking Ukraine in response vindicates Merkel in this matter. And the Germans and French have been slow-walking arms to Ukraine because they are lukewarm about arming the Ukrainians.
Watch a recent interview by one of America's leading political scientists, Professor John Mearsheimer, about the Ukraine/Russia war: Why is the US not pushing for an end to the Ukraine war?
Donald Trump wouldn't have inflamed the Russians like the anti-Russian hawk Biden. And under Trump, the price of oil would be lower so Putin would have had a tougher time funding this war. In addition, Putin respected/feared Trump more than Biden.
Frankly, your zealous cheerleading of Ukraine is embarrassing. "The Economist Intelligence Unit, which recently released its 2021 Democracy Index, doesn’t even consider Ukraine either a full or flawed democracy. Rather, Ukraine falls into the “hybrid regime” bucket, tied for 86th place with Mexico in the democracy rankings."[23] And the country has a longstanding reputation of being one of the most corrupt nations in the world. "According to Transparency International's 2021 Corruption Perceptions Index, (a scale of least to most corrupt nations), Ukraine ranked 122nd out of 180 countries in 2021, the second most corrupt in Europe, with Russia the most at 136."[24] Conservative (talk) 21:17, June 23, 2022 (EDT)
Putin might have more leverage. I cite: The war in Ukraine is threatening dozens of countries on the brink of famine. 47 million people could face starvation. There could be a flood of Middle East and African migrants to Europe. And a flood of migrants to Europe would cause a rise of right-wing anti-immigration politics in Europe which Emmanuel Macron, German politicians and some other European leaders do not want. Conservative (talk) 22:12, June 23, 2022 (EDT)
"The war in Ukraine has proven that the age of industrial warfare is still here. The massive consumption of equipment, vehicles and ammunition requires a large-scale industrial base for resupply – quantity still has a quality of its own....This reality should be a concrete warning to Western countries, who have scaled down military industrial capacity and sacrificed scale and effectiveness for efficiency. This strategy relies on flawed assumptions about the future of war, and has been influenced by both the bureaucratic culture in Western governments and the legacy of low-intensity conflicts....The winner in a prolonged war between two near-peer powers is still based on which side has the strongest industrial base. A country must either have the manufacturing capacity to build massive quantities of ammunition or have other manufacturing industries that can be rapidly converted to ammunition production. Unfortunately, the West no longer seems to have either....In short, US annual artillery production would at best only last for 10 days to two weeks of combat in Ukraine." [25]
I always thought the Vietnam war was the stupidest mistake America ever made in its entire history. While the Ukraine war is the stupidest idea the Biden regime and NATO ever conceived, it's quickly rivaling the Vietnam war as the stupidest mistake America ever made. And it took us ten years to realize what a mistake Vietnam was; every passing minute now draws us closer to realizing the US and the entire West will never return to the position of global respect and leadership it held after 1945, or the privileges it enjoyed in that position. And all of this disaster the US and the West brought on itself was totally unnecessary. RobSZ+ 22:27, June 23, 2022 (EDT)
The Hill oped:
"The precipitous and chaotic American abandonment of Afghanistan, without proper consultation and support for allies, less than a year ago was a great shock to the NATO alliance, raising grave doubts about the judgment, stability and reliability of the U.S. as leader of the free the rapidly changing landscape of the Ukraine war, we are seeing ominous signs that the U.S. may be leading NATO in the direction of an even worse strategic humiliation — one that can result in a dramatic reconfiguration of the world’s geopolitical structure....faced with the reality of a looming world recession and a spiraling strategic crisis, the agenda for President Biden and our NATO allies has gone from expectations of military victory to hopes for political survival. The consequences of this momentous transformation will ripple far and wide for years to come." [26]
RobSZ+ 00:20, June 24, 2022 (EDT)
The big losers here are Greta Thunberg and AOC, as Germany fires up its coal burning plants to recharge electric vehicles (batteries do not generate electricity, they only store power generated elsewhere). RobSZ+ 00:42, June 24, 2022 (EDT)
But there is no going back to the pre-Biden era now. The NATO/WEF induced recession, and its war on cow farts, will turn us all into bug eaters.
5 reasons why eating insects could reduce climate change, 9 Feb 2022 - 15 days before Putin's invasion of Ukraine. So the recession and coal burning plants will speed up carbon emissions and bug eating. Oh, and the Atlanta Fed says the recession has begun. [27] RobSZ+ 00:49, June 24, 2022 (EDT)


Even if the Ukraine crisis could be resolved peacefully someway tomorrow, the utter stupidity of this provocation against Kaliningrad would linger. The arrangement was based on the same arrangement Joe Stalin made in 1948 that allowed Western access through a land corridor across East Germany to Berlin - an arrangement that lasted for more than 4 decades. Everyone has known since 1991 (or 1947 more accurately) that Kaliningrad is Russia's trip wire for nuclear war. So here we stand, eyeball-to-eyeball, each with our fingers on the nuclear button. Unconfirmed reports are coming in just now (from an anti-Russian, pro-Ukrainian source in Belarus) that Biden, Sullivan, and NATO have just blinked Looks like Ukrainian disinformation. RobSZ+ 00:29, June 24, 2022 (EDT)

This war will probably drag on[edit]

Although Professor John Mearsheimer isn't happy to say this, he thinks this war will probably drag on. I wish he was wrong, but I think he is right about this.

Mearsheimer belongs to the realist school of international relations (see: Realism (international relations)).

Realism (international relations) better explains the Ukraine/Russia war than Liberalism (international relations).

Ever since the fall of man, there have been more sinners in the world than saints. Conservative (talk) 05:27, June 24, 2022 (EDT)

Realism explains the fall of Greta Thunberg, cause nobody is going to listen to her complain about coal burning electrical plants when in 40 below zero. RobSZ+ 11:52, June 24, 2022 (EDT)