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Classic wartime propaganda

Most people do not realize what is being done, and has been done, to them. This article from the Daily Mail for example, is being used to justify NATO and Ukrainian war crimes. Read it carefully. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 03:18, October 10, 2022 (EDT)

The guy who made this statement: "We're hunting them down and killing them like pigs," [3] about the ongoing mass murder of civilians in the Kharkiv region (as the Ukraine SBU did in the Bucha massacre after the Russian withdrawal), is the same guy who threatened to kill President Trump during the sham impeachment of Trump in 2019 by putting Trump's name on the "Peacekeeper kill list." [4] Think about that. People are actively supporting a Ukrainian regime which openly threatened to kill a sitting president.
This is what propaganda does to your brain, unless you are trained to detect it. It wears down your ability to think clearly and rationally. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 04:16, October 10, 2022 (EDT)

More Democrat Racism

Please add to In The News

More Democrat Racism: Democrat Los Angeles Council President Nury Martinez resigns after making racist comments. https://www.foxnews.com/us/la-city-council-president-nury-martinez-faces-calls-resign-racist-remarks-emerge-leaked-audio --TheNewRight (talk) 16:38, October 10, 2022 (EDT)

It belongs here: Democratic_Party#Racist_Democrat_officials and not necessarily on MPR. We don't have to reach down to a low-level city councilperson to prove an obvious point of Democrat racism during the election crunch. Please put it there to help build the record. Thanks. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:49, October 10, 2022 (EDT)
Once it is added to the DNC page, then a link from MPR to the Democrat party can be made naming the perp by name, along with a permanent record. Again, thanks. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:53, October 10, 2022 (EDT)
Ok!--TheNewRight (talk) 11:05, October 11, 2022 (EDT)
Don't make me do all the work; next time add it yourself then come here and ask for the MPR link.
That's how MPR is suppose to work - drawing readers into the wiki and not away from the wiki. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:55, October 12, 2022 (EDT)

Russia sanctions and Smoot Hawley

This guy [5] makes an interesting point. The timing of Russia sanctions at the same time as an economic crash will have the same effect as the Smoot-Hawley bill in 1929, deepening an ordinary recession into a global depression. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 00:53, October 13, 2022 (EDT)

Is this the same guy who reliably informed you that Putin was tOtALly ReAdY tO LaUnCh TaCtIcAl NuKeS? Or is it just the guy who predicted the Polish annexation of western Ukraine? ConwayIII (talk) 17:58, October 13, 2022 (EDT)
Whoever said Putin was going to use tactical nukes, other than the NATO/MSM disinformation network? No, this guy is a pro-Ukrainian Pole, actually. Pro-Ukrainian, which differs immensely from the pro-Zelensky regime. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:37, October 13, 2022 (EDT)
You did. Repeatedly. With such conviction, indeed, that it would be reasonable to suppose you were confident re. your sourcing. ConwayIII (talk) 18:43, October 13, 2022 (EDT)
Oh, I did. Thanks for reminding me. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:50, October 13, 2022 (EDT)
No worries, man. You were particularly excited at the thought of annexation establishing clear red lines, the crossing of which would inevitably lead to FiErY nUcLeAr VeNgAnCe. You were quite insistent about it, in fact. ConwayIII (talk) 19:14, October 13, 2022 (EDT)
NATO/Ukraine attacked Belgorod last night. It's hard to believe how dense the leadership in the West is. You, the citizen, will ultimately pay for their crimes. In a democracy, you are ultimately responsible.
Don't believe me? Ask the Germans, what's left of them. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:49, October 13, 2022 (EDT)
Question: How many more $15 million Su-25 jets is Ukraine willing to lose in its failed efforts to shoot down Russia's $1.99 shahid drones? They lost at least 2 already, by my count. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 01:21, October 14, 2022 (EDT)
We've been through this already, man. Ukraine has been hitting targets in and around Belgorod for months and Putin has done nowt. He can't mass the land forces to push the Ukrainians back out of range and the Russian air force is incapable of flying medium-range, cross-border missions if anyone is actually shooting back at them.
In other news, Putin has already cried off from further significant deep missile strikes on Ukraine with the most unconvincing "mission accomplished" in the history of modern warfare. The very-online, pro-RU peanut gallery has been begging him to maintain the barrage, but he won't because the CEP of Russian missiles is so poor they can't even reliably hit large buildings and he doesn't have enough of them left to saturate multiple high-value targets and let probability do its work.
Fun fact: one reason their CEP is such garbage is their much vaunted dual-use capability with conventional & nuclear warheads. The thinking was, if the S ever really HTF, missing your target by a block or two wouldn't matter because they'd be nuclear-tipped anyway. The precision required to deliver a conventional warhead wasn't seen an engineering problem worth solving. ConwayIII (talk) 17:42, October 14, 2022 (EDT)
The Russian version of "Shock and Awe," which Pentagon "experts" said should have been done in the first 72 hours, just reduced Ukrainian GDP to about 10%, or less, of capacity as winter approaches. 18:48, October 14, 2022 (EDT)
Think of it this way: Ukraine lost its sovereignty months ago when it assumed a $65 billion foreign debt it cannot pay off in the next century. If Russia wins, the foreign investors don't get paid (unless some arrangement can be made to respect redrawn borders). Either way, Ukraine remains a vassal state. It should pursue the path of neutrality while it still has the opportunity. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:54, October 14, 2022 (EDT)
If Ukraine continues on the path it is on now, it will end up like the peoples of Germany, France, the UK, and Czechia, alone, in the dark, cold, hungary, alienated and detached from their government. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:58, October 14, 2022 (EDT)
And the effectiveness of battlefields weapons is of less concern now; NATO has turned the war into an asymmetrical war of murder, sabotage, and terrorism against civilians and civilian infrastructure within sovereign states. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:04, October 14, 2022 (EDT)
My man, the next major collapse of Russian lines is a matter of weeks away. Freshly mobilised troops have already started returning home in zinc coffins and what remains of the regular army in Russia has zero capacity to equip & train the many tens of thousands required to simply hold the line. I guarantee you the Ukrainians are not worrying about what bills may come due or when. ConwayIII (talk) 19:32, October 14, 2022 (EDT)
That's not what's happening at all. Kherson is Ukraine's last big offensive, where the Russians have enjoyed a 10:1 kill ratio. After that, Ukraine has no reserves left, other than NATO crossing the border from Poland and Romania.
Germany's IRIS-T missile system made it about 30 km across the Polish border before it got blasted. And Elon Musk pulling the plug on the Ukie's communication system just as the Kherson offensive begins has not been helpful. The Ukies got about 3 weeks to make their move in Kherson. After that, things will take their course. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:06, October 14, 2022 (EDT)
Ukraine's "victories" are not Ukraine's; it is NATO troops and mercenaries. As to Russian mobilization - it is far bigger than 300,000. The way it works in theory, tho not in all cases, is a Reservist replaces an active duty border guard in Mongolia or Murmansk, and the active duty guy gets sent to the front. Tho a Reservist certainly has the option for front line duty, if he wants to go. Russia has mobilized somewhere between 370,000 to 700,000, and possibly more than 1 million already.
The difference between the SMO and now is, conscripts can be sent into conflict. Russian law prohibits the use of conscripts outside Russia's borders unless war is declared by the Duma. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:27, October 14, 2022 (EDT)
Comment and update: NATO & Ukraine's decision to escalate the conflict to an asymmetrical war against civilians and terrorism is having a serious backlash domestically against Zelensky and the regime. Up until now, the residents and citizens of Kyiv, Lviv, and other major metropolitan areas have been insulated from the war. Now, with the loss of the power grid and 90%+ of GDP as winter sets in, Ukrainian citizens are getting the same wakeup call Germans and other people in the EU are getting as winter sets in with no heat and rising food prices.
The cost of a Geran drone has been estimated between $800 and $20,000; personally, I think they are about $1500-2000. After failing to shoot down Gerans with Mig 29s, costing about $45 million and 1 pilot dead, not counting other civilians killed in drone attacks, the Ukrainian people are now finally questioning why Zelensky & NATO were so ill-prepared before the decision was made to get involved in such a costly conflict with Russia. Why didn't Zelensky implement the Minsk Accords, as he had promised? Why didn't Zelensky take the deal the Russians offered at the end of March this year to withdraw from Ukraine if Kyiv would recognize Crimea as Russian and the Donbas Republics as independent? Now they have lost 2 more provinces, additionally.
NATO aid has been a farce, Russia is stronger, and the Ukrainians have no heat or food for the winter. Europe has its own problems with food and heat, and cannot help. And the US is out of weapons to give. [6] NATO weapons are simply too expensive to be of practical use on the battlefield. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 03:35, October 18, 2022 (EDT)
Conway, so what's the answer? NATO, the Pentagon, the CIA, MI6, the Biden regime, Congressional committees, think tanks, and the MIC have been at this for years now, have spent $65 billion, and haven't been able to figure out how, up to this moment, to defend against a drone anybody can buy at a hobby store for a couple of hundred bucks?
The thing is not even stealth. You can hear it coming miles away. Maybe they could reactivate a couple WWII Spitfires and get behind it and shoot it down like a V1 buzz bomb, or send up a helicopter gunship (if they have any left). Why wait til 40% of your electrical grid and 90% of your GDP is knocked out? Do they even have radar to detect it incoming?
Hats off to the brilliant geniuses in the Pentagon and Brussels, and the Zelensky regime, in their cocky self-assuredness foresaw what could, and was gonna happen. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 06:02, October 20, 2022 (EDT)
The good news is, South Korea can rest easier. Kim jong un isn't gonna nuke em right away. He'll just send up a fleet of $1.95 drones 38 mi across the DMZ to destroy Seoul, now that the whole planet knows the U.S. is defenseless against it. Heck, even L.A. gangs can use em to attack police stations. Do you think Air Force One has a radar to detect a nickel and dime drone from flying up its tailpipe on takeoff or landing as the president flies around the country, or the world? It's good to see how smart we are, and how well our money has been spent in our defense. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 06:24, October 20, 2022 (EDT)
Man, if only they could be shot out of the sky by anyone who's been trained to pick a forward point on the line of attack and just keep firing. Oh wait... ConwayIII (talk) 19:36, October 21, 2022 (EDT)
Hasn't worked so well. It's still gonna crash and blow up - probably in a residential area and kill civilians. Makes one proud to defend their country. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:58, October 21, 2022 (EDT)
So the guy firing the small arms weapon has to think, "I could shoot it down and kill an innocent baby sleeping in his crib, or let it hit its target and the baby will die anyway from freezing and starvation eventually. Why did NATO/Zelensky put me in this position to make moral judgements that are totally unnecessary?" RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 20:02, October 21, 2022 (EDT)
But, never mind civilian lives and safety; NATO is looking for experienced skeet shooters to defend democracy (after which they'll take away your skeet gun). RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 20:07, October 21, 2022 (EDT)
All critical infrastructure will now require an exorbitantly expensive, multi-layered air defence system of a few platoons of territorial defence volunteers with decently powered machine guns on good swivel mounts, plenty of ammo, and a ring of spotters a few miles out. Dunno how they'll cope against this nEw AeRiAl TeRrOr. ConwayIII (talk) 20:45, October 21, 2022 (EDT)
So what are the residents of Kyiv saying about the flying Doritos that sound like mopeds?
And what are Muscovites saying about the terror they unleashed? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 23:51, October 21, 2022 (EDT)


We have idiots running the United States and the European Union. What in the Sam Hill did they expect to achieve before picking a fight with Russia?

I stopped following the war because I came to realize that this war is probably a marathon. And in a war of attrition, Ukraine loses. See #8 at: 10 reasons the Republicans should end funding the war in Ukraine. Conservative (talk) 20:28, October 14, 2022 (EDT)

You never followed the war; you spewed the recycled crap of Gen Ben Hodges. Every war, on every side, has its extremist psycho-Generals who firmly believe the garbage they peddle, trying to justify the senseless slaughter of human beings, and make the headlines for domestic propaganda consumption. Goring, LeMay, Harris, etc. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 05:53, October 18, 2022 (EDT)

Propaganda or No?

This is an alleged machine translation of a captured document from a Ukrainian soldier. [7] RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 03:12, October 13, 2022 (EDT)

  • "Dezombifying Western people? Well, if you can drive a wedge between the people and the elite, you have begun. But the whole problem of the Western mentality is one of the self-flattery of infallibility. It began 950 years ago, as the Western Pope was declared infallible (1), then it trickled down to all Catholic clergy, but since then the Reformation democratised infallibility to Western men, then in the last hundred years to Western women, and in the last fifty years to all who accept the Western mentality, regardless of their sex, race, creed and, as they say now, ‘sexual orientation’. This is the foundation of the totalitarian ‘liberalism’ of Secular Humanism: ‘The West is Best and therefore so am I’." - Andrei. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:29, October 14, 2022 (EDT)
This suggests the question, "What are the elites actually doing?"
There is a merging of interests between communists, feminists, and conservatives against global fascism (fascism is the merging of corporate monopolies oligopolies and government). Communists have warned us for years of the danger of unbridled capitalism of the World Economic Forum; feminists are outraged by the loss of protections and rights they gained that were hijacked by transgenderism. RobS 06:11, October 4, 2022 (EDT)
Well, this was just ten days ago and sounds very much like the elitist party line, rather than what they're actually up to. So whom can you trust? VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 01:49, October 15, 2022 (EDT)
As a matter of fact, RobS could be said to be enabling the elite with this cover story, in that the misconceptions he passes forward through which he asks us to see them lets them carry out their designs undetected and without interference. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 02:59, October 15, 2022 (EDT)
I read all your comments and have trouble making sense of your point. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:00, October 18, 2022 (EDT)
If you thought you had a political opponent and wanted to gain political leverage against them, you'd want to use clearly-defined terms as a fulcrum.
Otherwise there's a commingling of appearance and reality that would enable outside parties random access to the soundness of that leverage, allowing them to swoop down and gather the winning stakes if they feel it's crucial that they do so.
That's what elites do. They plan the political year in advance, and if someone arises to oppose them they make extra-political adjustments by means of various violent acts like the one described.
It also allows them to profit from social conflict; social conflict blows smoke in the eyes of political observers so they can't detect for which commodity or security a series of collapses of political power warps the free market in a pre-determinable way towards the purpose of enabling them to invest their resources in anticipation of profiting from its change in value. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 04:14, October 15, 2022 (EDT)
RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:07, October 20, 2022 (EDT)
  • Update: Ukraine claims killing 300 Russians in one day with NATO/US satellite assistance. If true, you need to check whatever your personal affairs are dependent upon satellite communications. RobSGive Peace a chance 03:44, October 30, 2022 (EDT)

Woke corporation donate to Republican candidates

Woke company of Nike, Inc. decide to fund Republican candidate for Oregon gubernatorial race Christine Drazan. The same company who support BLM and defund the police, they ate what they call during 2020 BLM riots and now they support GOP candidates. --Alex Kosh (talk) 23:18, October 17, 2022 (EDT)

Nike co-founder donates $1M to Republican running for governor in Oregon --Alex Kosh (talk) 23:18, October 17, 2022 (EDT)

Conservapedia's View on Things...

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At the moment, I'm visiting Conservapedia mostly to get mesmerized by its peculiar view on Russia's "special military operation" in Ukraine.

So, what's the official explanation for destroying civilian power and water infrastructure partly by using Iranian drones? Does not happen? Happens, but the Ukrainians are doing it themselves? Somewhere, there is certainly a youtube channel providing Rob with the prescribed terminology....

--AugustO (talk) 14:48, October 18, 2022 (EDT)

Explanation? Russia is doing now what American military "experts" said it should have done in the first 72 hours, as America did in Iraq. It's the Russian way of war. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 15:39, October 18, 2022 (EDT)
In February and March of this year, Russia did not destroy the civilian infrastructure in the first 72 hours, as American military doctrine would prescribe, but rather to give opportunity for peace talks. Peace talks did occur and Russia agreed to withdraw to pre-Feb 24 borders. However, BoJo told Zelensky to fight on & NATO would help. Now, 100,000 dead later, Nazi apologists such as yourself have no explanation other than "Putin bad." RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 15:49, October 18, 2022 (EDT)
Oh, did I mention, BoJo suffered regime change long before Putin ever did, as did NATO allies Sweden & Italy. And that's just the start. As Putin said, "we haven't even begun yet." RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:19, October 20, 2022 (EDT)
If NATO Keeps Pushing in Ukraine, We Will All Get Nuked.
"Don’t get me wrong, I look forward to nuclear war. The West is done, and we will all burn in hell for accepting child trannies and all that gay sh*t. The good news is that my wish may be granted soon enough, as Moscow is now considering the recently annexed Donbas regions, including Crimea et al, to be under their “nuclear protection” umbrella, which means…Yeah, you got it comrade. It will be a silent spring."
RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:26, October 20, 2022 (EDT)
RobS, do you agree with that above quote?--Geopolitician (talk) 16:34, October 20, 2022 (EDT)
Less the sarcasm of "looking forward," yes. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:36, October 20, 2022 (EDT)
Al Qaeda and ISIS are being paid handsomely to fight in Ukraine. The truth in Ukraine is coming out. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:32, October 20, 2022 (EDT)
Al Qaeda? ISIS? Nazis? Antifa? Who's next to put on the US Government payroll? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:33, October 20, 2022 (EDT)
I haven't yet been able to fully verify that specific report, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian parliament has proclaimed Chechnya to be Russian-occupied territory and that the former Chechen Republic of Ichkeria to be the legitimate government of that territory.[8] Keep in mind that there are currently parties which claim to be the successor to the CRI: (1) a (relatively) moderate government-in-exile based in London; (2) al-Qaeda; and (3) ISIS. Is it possible that this move was done to court Wahhabi extremists who may have been reluctant to get involved in a conflict between two "infidel" nations?--Geopolitician (talk) 16:33, October 20, 2022 (EDT)
US/NATO is doing the same thing to stir color revolution in Armenia, Tajikistan, Hungary, Serbia, Thailand, Russia, Belarus and Iran. This guy is a pretty good commentator: Ukrainian lawmakers to designate Belarus an "occupied" country. Will they do the same for Germany?. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:36, October 20, 2022 (EDT)
Don’t forget China. They’ve been trying that there too.--Geopolitician (talk) 12:22, October 21, 2022 (EDT)
NED has written "How to" training manuals for color revolution. [9] But I think everyone recognizes China is a special case that requires its own attention and won't follow the prescribed script. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 15:37, October 21, 2022 (EDT)
Counter question: What is the explanation for the US destruction of the NordStream civilian infrastructure pipeline, other than mass brainwashing of people who can't see the forest from the trees? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 15:43, October 18, 2022 (EDT)
Second question: Why did the United States attack its own ally? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 15:50, October 18, 2022 (EDT)
48 hours+ and no response, says it all. There is no response. Please, if you're a brainwashed idiot, keep your Nazi-agitprop to yourself and don't waste my time. Thanks. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:13, October 20, 2022 (EDT)

GOP victory will be hollow

Biden & company denied a recession so that when it it becomes undeniable after the GOP takes control of Congress, the GOP will be blamed for everything. High food, gas, and electricity prices, and unemployment, will pressure Republicans to "do something", i.e. stimulus spending. The GOP will argue for defense "stimulus", i.e. Ukraine war, over social stimulus spending.

Readers need to get their heads screwed on correct now to combat what's coming down the pike. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:50, October 18, 2022 (EDT)

Let's make this a test of your attention span.
You've seem to have forgotten how recessions work. The political stuff is spot on, but the way you're showing the recession getting established is muddy.
There used to be a sweepstakes called Publisher's Clearinghouse. It would arrive to you with Ed McMahon from The Tonight Show's face on the envelope and state with alarm, "You May Already Be a Winner of $10,000,000!!!"
That's how establishing a recession works. The National Bureau of Economic Research announces a recession and then gives a date: Our panel of experts have determined peak economic activity occurred in September (for example) 2022 marking the beginning of an economic recession. So You May Already Be in a Recession!!!
But I fear extreme political pressure will cause the Bureau, esteemed as it is, to fudge the numbers forward making it seem like a lack of confidence in Republicans is causing the recession, rather than attrition from bad Biden policies.
This is a pressure to keep the parties balanced, regardless of merit in providing for what makes for a well-governed nation. Am I mistaken in this observation?
We've had two quarters of negative GDP growth in constant (uninflated) dollars. If my supposition is correct, the NBER will wait and see if recession timing becomes a hot issue, and if it does, it will delay the announcement and move the recession date forward accordingly, putting its thumb on the scale.
Is this understandable, or is it sooner to be supposed I'm belaboring the obvious? VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 22:36, October 21, 2022 (EDT)
The NBER does not make final determinations (as it is established by US law in various budget acts) until after a recovery is underway. IOWs, NBER remains silent during the course of a recession.
My point is, imagine if a "Red Wave" goes off without a hitch (for example, like how control of the Senate was decided well after November 2020 with Georgia runoff elections, or recounts in various Congressional districts to determine Speakership, etc.) the next day, MSM will be screaming "RECESSION!", and it will be the Republicans baby. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:53, October 21, 2022 (EDT)
Now, the GOP can debate for two years, "Feed a cold, starve a fever", but without inflationary government handouts in form of traditional Keynesian stimulus, the GOP will be branded as heartless and cruel, and pave the way for another Obama type character. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:58, October 21, 2022 (EDT)
And even when the GOP caves and agrees to $500 billion stimulus, the minority Dems will counter with a $700 billion or $1 trillion stimulus proposal, and MSM will call the GOP selfish and greedy. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 23:02, October 21, 2022 (EDT)
If the GOP asked for a $1 trillion stimulus, Dems and the MSM will say it's not enough and we need $2 trillion. The game is rigged, and the GOP can't win it. The GOP will be blamed for the economic mess Biden created since day one, and GOP now is lacking the army of economic wizards in the House that it had in the 1980s and 1990s. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 23:08, October 21, 2022 (EDT)
Not to digress too far, but look at what just happened to Liz Truss. She's an idiot, but her first action was cut taxes (which Larry Kudlow praised) while continuing major aid for Ukraine. The Pound crashed, inflation rose, and she was out on her ear in 44 days. Why? She thought she was following the prescribed Reagan and Thatcheresque model of conservativism, without having any understanding of economics. Here in the US, we have a lot of the same economic idiots in the GOP today, as well. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 23:15, October 21, 2022 (EDT)
The narratives are already starting:
Biden claims GOP will ‘crash the economy’ after midterms.
Things will not get better after November 8. They will get worse. And Repubs are on board to prolong the Ukraine war before the new Congress takes office.
The Ukraine govt needs $10 billion a month to keep operating, and the US is paying $5 billion of that now. The US is expected to pick up the entire cost, $10 billion a month, by December. We need to cut and run now. And Nazi sympathizers and apologists need to be ostracized. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:01, October 22, 2022 (EDT)
Not just them. The factions warmongering against China and Iran too. Even if they're warmongering against those countries only (and not against Russia), they still need to be sidelined.--Geopolitician (talk) 21:59, October 22, 2022 (EDT)
This is primarily a domestic argument related to the domestic economic situation. Let's leave geopolitics out of it, for now. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:44, October 22, 2022 (EDT)
None of this seems like a realistic assessment of the situation.
  1. ”The NBER doesn’t finalize recession dates until ‘’after’’ its recovery.” This begs the question that finalized recession dates are what people actually care about. There are provisional ones too, especially after two quarters of real decline. You’re prescribing letting the Democrats seize a Republican defeat from the ashes of the Democrats’ own “victory”.
  2. ”If Republicans propose a stimulus package, Democrats will counter-propose a larger one to whatever they ask.” This recession is too suspiciously tied to Biden’s frequent shots to the foot not to stick ‘’somewhat’’ to him. It makes too much emotional sense for it not to. Republicans could throw the question to them and ask how they want to fix the “Biden recession”. He’d still be President, after all. It would give them ‘’some’’ leverage.
  3. It’s fairly obvious Liz Truss shot herself in the foot too so she doesn’t have to contradict Woke culture directly which would result in recordable statements of perennial duration aggravating the popular oppression narrative. For whatever imbecilic reason, that cultural Marxist claptrap is being promoted by Biden, so Truss is caught up in the wave.
It turns out Russia has had a strange immunity to cultural Marxism despite having a 20% parliamentary share of actual Communists. So this is a larger story than just a Ukrainian culture clash/NATO client state conflict gone awry.
Nobody wants to be the fall guy for ending or keeping same-sex marriage, so they flipped sides and are sleepwalking through history, slowly turning the Ukraine conflict into a proxy cultural war where people are forced to choose to make Russia comply with other fallen dominoes or let them off the hook and allow discussion to proceed.
The most surprising outcome of this is Twitter is shown to be a Potemkin website designed to manufacture compliance with making this decision, employing corrupt bargaining techniques and smokescreens by an all-too-vindictive employee class marked throughout with their guilty signature.
It’s unfortunate that people play along morally despite not knowing the issues with which they are addressed and through their conformity, collectively lose the thread of discourse by which their society is run. But what is much worse is how they lack the moral courage to become re-instructed in those fundamentals and suffer the physician’s hot brand of purgation of admitting to hearkening to and applauding fine moral phrases of which they never sought an understanding adequate to the awesome legacy they presumptiously seized as ones equal to the task before asking whether the quiet person whose time they squandered by droning on about the sentiments dear to their hearts conveniently coinciding with the property-clenching patrol of their ego-boundaries might eventually become incomprehensible from a failure to engage the instruments to that understanding instead of to that of arrogance of office and re-master their abandoned prescribed role in a society of common civility. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 06:33, October 24, 2022 (EDT)
A dose of realism often is an antidote in economic hard times, at least for a large segment of people. We can begin right here: AOC’s Idea of Diplomacy Is to Fuel the War With More Weapons. And look who is criticizing, and the audience he is talking to. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 06:46, October 24, 2022 (EDT)

MIT creates new COVID variant with 80% kill rate

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Left:Shi Zhengli; Right:Ralph Baric.

I know that this is already a headline on the main page, but let’s talk about it here. Once again I ask, who’s the real villain in this pandemic? China, or our own government?--Geopolitician (talk) 12:29, October 21, 2022 (EDT)

Personally, this revelation shakes my faith in the alleged DARPA leaks that came out in January. As in, I’m starting to doubt that the original strain came from Wuhan at all, and that it really did come from an American lab located outside of China like the CCP has been claiming from the beginning.
In that case, what else has our government been lying to us about China? Taiwan, Hong Kong? Could we be the bad guys there too?--Geopolitician (talk) 12:43, October 21, 2022 (EDT)
Call it a teachable moment for the public. They put the message out there, "Yah, we did it," and left it for people to discover for themselves the rationale for how their tax money is spent. Call it "common knowledge" now. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 15:44, October 21, 2022 (EDT)
As to whether it came from Wuhan or Fort Detrick, there was a division of labor involved. Shi Zhengli discovered the 'how to' process of inserting the spiked protein, while Ralph Baric working in North Carolina assembled the spiked protein. And the outbreak in Wuhan dates back to mid-late October 2019, whereas America's first recorded outbreak was 4 months later in Oregon from somebody returning from Wuhan. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 20:41, October 21, 2022 (EDT)
Of course China disputes this timeline. To this day it maintains that the actual first infections took place in April 2019 in the American Midwest, and that the US government is covering it up by claiming they were unrelated infections caused by vaping.--Geopolitician (talk) 21:15, October 21, 2022 (EDT)
First I heard of that. And just cause the CCP said it (or USG denied it, or MSM ignores it) doesn't really mean anything. You need better evidence. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 23:25, October 21, 2022 (EDT)
As of now, the problem you have is, the narrative that the coronavirus was a joint US/CCP project, funded by Fauci, with Shi Zhengli/Ralph Baric collaboration, was most likely released deliberately by the CCP from the Wuhan lab makes too much sense. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 23:29, October 21, 2022 (EDT)

AOC headline

The AOC headline is redundant; it was headlined 3 days ago. Furthermore, calling the protesters "Leftist" is counterproductive 18 days before the election when we are attempting to educate the public on the foolishness of Ukraine aid. These "leftists" are absolutely correct in this instance, and are allies in defeating global fascism. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:20, October 21, 2022 (EDT)

All the posting does is introduce confusion in the minds of conservative voters, being that the link to Leftist paints them as bad guys who need to be defeated. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:24, October 21, 2022 (EDT)

I deleted it. See my notes in the recent changes log. Conservative (talk) 22:31, October 21, 2022 (EDT)
Here's a good article to catch up: Ukraine and Rules-based Fascism. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:35, October 21, 2022 (EDT)
And no, Kevin McCarthy and the GOP is not going to end Ukraine war funding. Lame duck Congress plotting another $50 billion slush fund for Ukraine [10][11].
Since the legacy of Nazism has been kept alive for 80 years, ALL Nazi sympathizers and apologists MUST be held accountable now, after the recent slaughter of innocent civilians by NATO Nazis in Ukraine. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:33, October 22, 2022 (EDT)
Read both those two Dreizen Report articles linked above, and this one, about what will happen to Kevin McCarthy if he doesn't go along with funding the Ukraine war beyond the elections.
Dreizen is a D.C. insider who writes a newsletter for Congressional staffers. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:49, October 22, 2022 (EDT)
In coalition building, you wouldn't use phrases like "Ultra MAGA", "MAGA", or "red wave". To achieve a red wave, you need people who ordinarily are repelled by words like "red" or "MAGA". There's other language and terminology that can be used. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 03:28, October 23, 2022 (EDT)
If there is to be a "red wave", it will consist of some people who are anti-MAGA. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 03:29, October 23, 2022 (EDT)

Hu Jintao

Here's how the CCP deals with its gerontocracy. [12] RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 03:48, October 23, 2022 (EDT)

One analyst puts it this way, at the CCP Congress, the War faction defeated the Trade faction. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 03:50, October 23, 2022 (EDT)

If the War faction has won, then so be it. Our national interests demand we protect only to of China’s neighbors from its imperialist ambitions: Japan and Russia. Confronting China over Taiwan, the South China Sea, India, etc. would be warmongering and would benefit only the Deep State.--Geopolitician (talk) 00:14, October 24, 2022 (EDT)
Did you see Borrell's statement? "Our prosperity was based on cheap energy from Russia and cheap labor from China. That prosperity is over," or something like that. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 01:35, October 24, 2022 (EDT)


The YouTube channel China Uncensored is under YouTube bot attack.
China's economic problems is causing problems for Xi Jinping and the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). When bullies begin to lose power, they bully people more. It's like a rat being cornered. Xi Jinping publicly humiliating an elderly CCP member is telling other communist party members that Xi is boss. Stalin used to humiliate others too. The only other explanation is that a rapid Covid test came up positive, but I doubt that is the reason why the elderly Chinese Communist Party was being pulled away. Xi is a very cruel man and his past actions are reflective of this matter. See: What the Hell Just Happened to Hu Jintao?.
We can see the Democrats/liberals/leftists doing the same with their banana republic tactics, cancel culture and big tech censorship.
When Western atheists saw desecularization happening, they launched the more militant New Atheism/Atheist movement. But like all militancy of declining/dying ideologies, it eventually fails and we saw the atheist movement decline and then die (see: Decline of the atheist movement).
We are living in exciting times. Liberals/leftists/atheists/agnostics are losing power in the world and a new conservative and more religious age is rising. See: Peak wokeness. Are we there yet? A new conservative age rising. Conservative (talk) 09:05, October 23, 2022 (EDT)
This apparent desperate consolidating of Xi's power is bad news for China's economy. "Xi has been steering China into what the party calls a “new era,” away from the legacy of former leader Deng Xiaoping, who launched China on its economic rise with market-oriented reforms — and also selected Hu as a future leader."[13]
We may see the CCP fall in the next 5 to 30 years. The Soviet Union fell suddenly which caused a rapid rise of religion in the areas of the former Soviet Union (see: Collapse of atheism in the former Soviet Union). This would be great news for China's rapidly growing Christian population and it would make the world freer too (see: Growth of Christianity in China). Conservative (talk) 09:41, October 23, 2022 (EDT)
I have three words to say to liberals/leftists/atheists/agnostics about the exciting times we now are living in. Olé! Olé! Olé! Conservative (talk) 09:42, October 23, 2022 (EDT)
"It was long, and loud, and impossible to ignore." He probably did a Joe Biden in front of the Pope. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:16, October 23, 2022 (EDT)
As to the differences between Hu and Xi, Hu started the extrajudicial extermination of Falun Gong, and set up his own gestapo police (many CCP members were also Falun Gong practitioners at the time). The 610 Office had a dual purpose: eliminate any organized rivalry to the CCP (Falun Gong had 70 million followers), and secondly, cleanse the party of Falun Gong and build an internal police force loyal to Hu personally. Hu came from the Shanghai faction of the CCP, Xi from the Beijing faction. So Xi's struggle since day one has been to wrest the 610 Office from Hu and the Shanghai faction, take it over, and make it loyal to the XI/Beijing faction.
The 610 Office garnered negative publicity, so Xi purges and takeover have been described in Western media as "reforms". But even with a name change, the existence of a private police force of cutthroat murderers outside the control of the government, or the party, with loyalty to one man continues. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:13, October 23, 2022 (EDT)
Who knows? As Cons said, "Stalin used to humiliate others in public", too. They may have put something in his tea pot to make the 79-year-old man crap his pants so he could be forcibly removed like that. Hu may have realized it was a setup, hence the resistance. We will have to leave it Chinese social media to get an idea of the real truth. They seem to know how to read the tea leaves. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:37, October 23, 2022 (EDT)
I would interpret it as a direct message to Joe Biden, the Democrats, the Pentagon, the Chinese people, and anyone else who would challenge Chinese power. This is how you will be escorted off the world stage. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:44, October 23, 2022 (EDT)
The Falun Gong launched the Epoch Times which gets at least 25 million page visits a month and is the 2,918th most popular website in the world according to Similarweb.com (which is the one of the few free sources of web traffic information now that Alexa was gone. I know Similarweb is not the most accurate, but it is free.). They have anti-China information and try to get people involved in the Falun Gong cult/religion. And because Trump is anti-China The Epoch Times is pro-Trump. A portion of the mainstream news in the Western World has Chinese advertisers or Western corporations who do business in China so some of these news organizations limit anti-China news.
The Unification Church (sometimes called the "Moonies") owns the Washington Times and perhaps they run news coverage about the Unification Church. The Washington Times definitely runs other news and the paper leans politically right-wing. The Christian Scientists run the Christian Science Monitor and perhaps they run news about the Christian Science religion (which is an oddball religion) too. The Christian Science Monitoris a politically centrist newspaper.
The Chinese communists persecute religions with varying degrees of intensity depending on how much they dislike the religion. The philosophy/religion of Confuscianism went through a period of disfavor with the Chinese communists, but is once again looked on favorably by the Chinese communists (See: How did Confucianism win back the Chinese Communist Party?).
Adolf Hitler coopted some churches and even came out with a "Nazi Bible", but he persecuted the German Confessing Church which resisted efforts to Nazify churches. Conservative (talk) 17:58, October 23, 2022 (EDT)
For my money, The Epoch Times has replaced the The New York Times as "the newspaper of record." The Chrisitan Science Mumbler (as an old newspaper tradesman from The Chicago Times I knew called it) is very unique, covering important stories and subjects other MSM refuse to cover. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:04, October 23, 2022 (EDT)
Alexander Mercouris agrees, Hu's removal was likely "health related." [14] RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:56, October 23, 2022 (EDT)
Brian Berletic, reporting from Thailand, agrees it was a "health issue". RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:11, October 25, 2022 (EDT)

Trump openly attacks DeSantis on the eve of his re-election bid

Last night, Donald Trump posted on Truth Social that Ron DeSantis has made “a big mistake” by endorsing Joe O’Dea in the Colorado Senate race. [15] O’Dea is a Republican, but is also openly anti-Trump and has promised to campaign against Trump should he run for President in 2024. For these reasons, Trump has refused to endorse O’Dea and even implicitly called for Colorado Republicans to not vote for him. Meanwhile, what are the chances that it’s a coincidence DeSantis endorsed O’Dea because he included DeSantis on his list of 2024 candidates he would campaign for?[16] And what are the chances that Trump’s response could change the outcome of the Florida gubernatorial race?--Geopolitician (talk) 10:44, October 24, 2022 (EDT)

Zero. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 15:53, October 24, 2022 (EDT)

Quoting Sundance:

Ron DeSantis in 2024 is Jeb Bush + Ted Cruz in 2016.
  • Five Days in Bunker following Mar-a-Lago Raid 8/9/22
  • No expressed support for Donald Trump following Mar-a-Lago raid 8/9/22.
  • New brand image consulting team 8/14/22
  • New communications team 8/14/22
  • National advertising campaign
  • 94% billionaire and corporate funding
  • Raised $200+ million for state governor race?
  • Cancels Lee Zeldin fundraiser after meeting with New York real estate donor who supports Hochul
  • Endorsed by Club For Growth (C4G)
  • Voted to support TPP trade agreement and Obama Fast Track trade authorization
  • Supports all Ukraine funding and U.S. government spending in Ukraine
  • Endorsed Florida Red Flag Laws, most firearm confiscation of any state
  • Silent over the 100 Florida citizen J6 detainees (largest number in nation)
  • Asked legislature to criminalize boycotts of Israeli companies, including pharmaceutical companies
  • No support for E-verify system or employment law against illegal alien hires
  • Endorsed by Paul Ryan
  • Endorsed by Jeb Bush
Sooner or later people have to admit the obvious.--Geopolitician (talk) 22:26, October 24, 2022 (EDT)

Disclaimer: I agree with most of the quote above, but not all of it. The most notable exception being the Zeldin incident (I'm not a fan of Zeldin at all, so I see DeSantis cutting him loose as a net positive).--Geopolitician (talk) 22:27, October 24, 2022 (EDT)

We know all about it. DeSantis picked up the coveted Paul Ryan and Jeb Bush endorsements. Problem is, neither Trump or DeSantis is even running yet. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:48, October 24, 2022 (EDT)
So all you're doing is trash talking to the wind. Do you see how that reflects upon yourself? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:49, October 24, 2022 (EDT)
We know where Trump stands. We know where DeSantis stands. And most importantly, we each know individually where our own principals, values, and interests stand. We are not confused idiots, like Democrats, who need this incessant BS to convince us one way or another. Are you confused? Do you lack faith in God, or in Trump, whom evidently you either support or are trying to persuade us to support. But I'm not sure about that, cause you spend more time tearing people down rather than building people up with your own views. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:56, October 24, 2022 (EDT)
I mean, seriously now. Stop and think. Let me help you in your professional career as a political operative - whatever stripe you may be:
The world stands on the brink of nuclear war. Inflation is eating homes, families, and people alive. Covid, monkeypox, transgender genital mutilation, Halloween candy-laced fentanyl, and transgender rapists lurking in school bathrooms is threatening the health, lives and wellbeing of our children. But your persistent talking points, whatever time or season of the year, revolve around sowing division in the Republican Party. C'mon now. Stop being so amateurish. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 23:08, October 24, 2022 (EDT)
I don't want division. I want purification. It's been seven years since Donald Trump launched the MAGA movement, and it's nowhere near where it needs to be in terms of purging the GOP of establishment elements, despite Trump having the degree of control over the party that he has now. Don't I have a right to be angry about that? Even though admittedly I may get too angry at times?--Geopolitician (talk) 23:36, October 24, 2022 (EDT)
You don't get it. Neither candidate is running. Trump is 76 years old. If he dropped dead tomorrow, and DeSantis is the default candidate, all we're left with is your divisive anti-DeSantis rhetoric. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:18, October 25, 2022 (EDT)
If Trump drops dead, then I’ll go with Rand Paul and/or Tulsi Gabbard.--Geopolitician (talk) 14:33, October 27, 2022 (EDT)
Everything has a limited shelf life. We are not confused or stupid. All you do is tear down, and do not build up. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:20, October 25, 2022 (EDT)

Trump Advisor Dick Morris: Democrats clobbering Republicans in early voting

2.1 million Dems to 1.1 Repubs. [17] RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:52, October 24, 2022 (EDT)

Dems wimp out

Dems wimp out. So apparently the headline about House progressives urge Biden to seek peace talks in Ukraine [5] was premature, takes up three lines of valuable space, and is confusing. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:52, October 25, 2022 (EDT)

Welcome to Biden Land, where supporting peace talks of any kind with Russia automatically makes you Kevin McCarthy. Abandon all hope, ye who enter there.--Geopolitician (talk) 16:58, October 25, 2022 (EDT)
How to read propaganda: McCarthy Suggests That a G.O.P.-Led House Would Question Aid to Ukraine
McCarthy 'suggests', a non-committal response 3 weeks before the start of a lame duck. Tell you what, I'll trade you Mediterranean & Baltic with 2 hotels for Boardwalk with no houses or hotels. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:45, October 25, 2022 (EDT)

On MPR, right now we need less "predictions" and cheerleading, and more factual up to the minute reporting. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:12, October 25, 2022 (EDT)

And I've stated the case several times, the GOP WILL pass funding for the Ukraine war well into 2023 in the lame duck Congress. The Essay with 10 points is deceptive, and the MPR space should be used for far more important information voters need. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:15, October 25, 2022 (EDT)

As far as the essay 10 reasons the Republicans should end funding the war in Ukraine, Rome wasn't built in a day. It often takes time to shift public opinion or the opinion of a single individual. That's influence/persuasion/PR/marketing/sales/romance 101. It is also true that if enough people demand something happen urgently and have a sense of urgency, all other things remaining equal, it will be done faster. An essay titled "Why the Republicans should end funding to the war in Ukraine within 2 to 6 years" is far less compelling of a title as far as the essay. And in 2 to 6 years a lot of blood will be lost and a lot of treasure will be wasted. And the additional war damage to buildings/infrastructure will be considerable. Conservative (talk) 21:27, October 25, 2022 (EDT)
No Cons, you not only claimed covid came from people eating bats, you posted it on MPR and in the Coronavirus article from the earliest days, misleading people and taking us months and months to undo the damage. First impressions matter.
That's all true. In fact, that's exactly how the anti-Putin and Russophobic sentiment has been built up since 2014, per the Snowden revelations about psyops used by collusion between the Deep State and MSM.
What you need to worry about is going 0-3 for coronavirus, NATO war in Ukraine, and now the 2022 Midterm elections. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:48, October 25, 2022 (EDT)
So now, when Republican voters realize they were lied to, and McCarthy et al voted to extend Ukraine aid and senseless bloodshed well into 2023, and perhaps beyond, that boomerangs back to and you, your credibility and analytical skills that voting GOP would end the senseless killing and improve the economy.
I'm not saying vote against the GOP, I'm saying you need to leave this issue alone cause you obviously don't understand it. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:53, October 25, 2022 (EDT)
As Jacob Dreizen pointed out, even CP person of the year Marjorie Taylor Greene initially was for Ukraine. She's had enough sense to shut up about it. Just follow Trump's lead and talk about peace, nothing else. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:59, October 25, 2022 (EDT)
Dreizen Update: Return of the Living Check. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:03, October 25, 2022 (EDT)
I didn't say anything wrong about the coronavirus pandemic - despite your apparent protestation there is 100% proof that the pandemic was created in a lab which is a very high evidential bar to leap over (An evidential bar that you still haven't lept over. You seem to fail to appreciate that often historical investigations are probabilistic in nature and there are definitely cases where there is less than 100% proof of various matters). Secondly, wars are unpredictable and so far I haven't made any errors in my reporting of events as far as the war in Ukraine. Lastly, I have merely stated various predictions of a red wave election and I have occasionally given the counter-arguments to a red wave election happening (see: A big red wave is rolling towards the 2022 midterm elections in the USA). Conservative (talk) 22:30, October 25, 2022 (EDT)
You need to read the the last 5 Dreizin Reports, in order. Normally he does one a week; he's done 5 in 6 days. They are very entertaining and fun to read. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:47, October 25, 2022 (EDT)

Let's look at the history

The Russian reset after a period of strained relations blamed on George W. Bush paved the way from the sale of 20% of America's uranium mining capacity to Russia for which the Clinton's pocketed $500,000 from the Moscow bank that financed the deal. Once the deal was completed, the Obama administration had no more need for improved relations with Russia.
  • Baby Bush and the neocons started pushing Ukraine admission to NATO in 2008;
  • Obama and Hillary hit the 'Russian Reset' in 2009;
  • Obama ridiculed Romney in 2012, "the 80s are calling, they want their foreign policy back";
  • Putin upset the neocon designs with the Crimean Annexation after the anti-democratic, globalist/neocon Maidan coup in 2014;(The Maidan coup was intended to allow NATO to take over the Black Sea Fleet naval base at Sevastopol; Putin's intervention and annexation of Crimea thwarted the whole plan, and is the cause of the present tensions and war - NATOs desire to occupy the Sevastopol naval base and cut off Russia's access to the Mediterranean, Middle East, Syria, and Africa. Note: Russia is a major supplier of food, energy, and arms to the world. The US and Europe are only suppliers of arms nowadays.).
  • Russiagate and the Trump impeachment sham were part of the globalist Russophobic propaganda campaign;
  • since 2014, we've been subjected to an endless drumbeat of Russophobic, neocon, antidemocratic, globalist brainwashing by the MSM, which you User:Conservative, haven't recognized affected your thinking (with your persistent anti-Putin rants). RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:18, October 25, 2022 (EDT)
In WWII, on the Eastern Front, the Nazis and the Soviets battled each other. In short, in wars there are situations where there are two "black hats" are fighting each other. Your misplaced insistence that Putin is a white-hatted Christian ignores the fact that Putin is an authoritarian kleptocrat (see: Essay: Vladimir Putin is a corrupt kleptocrat and an authoritarian and Corruption in Russia: A Historical Perspective). Yes, Ukraine is corrupt, but that doesn't mean that "St. Putin" is wearing a big white hat. He isn't. Conservative (talk) 22:37, October 25, 2022 (EDT)
See, you don't know squat about what you are talking about. The war is now outside Ukraine's borders, and the troops fighting in Ukraine are NATO forces. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:47, October 25, 2022 (EDT)
When I was referring to "two black hats" I was broadly talking about two sides. I realize there is a proxy war aspect to the war in Ukraine and I agree with John Mearsheimer on the main causes of the war in Ukraine. Conservative (talk) 23:01, October 25, 2022 (EDT)
Yah, but what is happening now? You are misleading voters that the GOP, House members, and its leadership are standing up to stop a war, not between Russia and Ukraine, Putin and Zelensky, but between NATO and Russia. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 23:07, October 25, 2022 (EDT)
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The issue is not left/right, liberal/conservative, Repub/Dem. It is literally sanity vs. insanity. And you persistently come down on the side of insanity. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 23:11, October 25, 2022 (EDT)

I have stated that the war in Ukraine, which involves the two corrupt regimes of Russia/Ukraine, should be ended ASAP (Even though it is not likely to end soon). I have also stated that the USA should ramp up oil production which would make it harder for Russia to fund wars. There is nothing insane about these statements. Conservative (talk) 23:20, October 25, 2022 (EDT)

Your persistent anti-Putin rants are insane, and support the war effort. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 23:26, October 25, 2022 (EDT)

'I believe that often historical investigations are probabilistic'

Ok. Let's suppose a dirty nuke goes off in Nikolaev. And let's imagine that the US/NATO immediate respond with an attack on Russian forces in Ukraine, and on Russian governmental, military, and civilian infrastructure in Russia itself. Let's further assume Russia responds with a nuclear strike on Europe and the United States. Now, how strong is your argument, 50 or 60 years from now, to say that the Nikolaev dirty nuke was a Russian nuclear attack, or Ukrainian false flag attack? And who really cares what you say or think right now, since you demonstrated such an uncanny ability to understand even the basics of the problem, or argument? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 23:42, October 25, 2022 (EDT)

Watch this 11 minute Russian propaganda video carefully. The Russians believe that the Americans believe that the United States can pull off and survive a nuclear first strike.
The roles are reversed. Gone are the days when Soviet propaganda infiltrated Hollywood to make it subtle, hip, and cool (NATO & the US does that today). Russian Federation propaganda is more straightforward and technical, carrying a message to the State Department, the Pentagon, CIA, and the general public at large of the whole world. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 00:24, October 26, 2022 (EDT)

So now we are posed with a moral question...

"An attack against one is an attack against all". Ok. What happens when one or two NATO members, with NATO command and control systems backing them up, attack a county? What happens when that country retaliates? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:51, October 25, 2022 (EDT)

Russians report large number of Polish & Romanian (i.e. NATO) forces advancing toward the Russian Federation

"the period of silence before the storm has ended". RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:38, October 25, 2022 (EDT)

A challenge to RobS about my statements on the origins of the coronavirus pandemic posted on MPR. The gauntlet has been thrown down!

See: Debate: A challenge to RobS about my statements on the origins of the coronavirus pandemic posted on MPR. The gauntlet has been thrown down!

Thanks. I'll get to it, sincerely, as I have time. Right now I have a nuclear threat to attend to. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 00:32, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
I think we cleared things up so I am finished commenting on the issue. Besides, it is probably better if you post to main space articles. I don't always agree with you, but you do post some valid things from various sources. Conservative (talk) 00:35, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
Now that you mention it, we should discuss how MPR is used. One primary purpose is to share links to who we qualify as valid source links (so that readers can subscribe to them themselves, with our qualification and endorsement), and not regurgitating MSM agitprop and sensationalism. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 00:51, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
Sometimes right-wing news sources don't cover valid information that is posted in the MSM. As I noted before, the political right has not invested in the news business as much as liberals/leftists. Anyways, I don't think that would be a productive discussion. But I will keep in mind what you have expressed.
I wish there was a ready-made search engine that only gave results of right-wing websites. There is a Christian search engine that only goes to conservative Protestant websites at: https://www.seekfind.org/ But there are search engines that are more conservative than Google: 5 Privacy-Oriented, Conservative Search Engine Alternatives to Google in 2022. I also find that Bing is more conservative than Google. Conservative (talk) 01:50, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
Generally speaking, conservative commentators on current news stories are the best. So rather than using an MSM headline, wait a few hours or maybe even days, and post a conservative commentator's reaction to the alleged "news". Share the link, help expand the commentator's subscription user base, and bring in our readers, editors and the commentator into common discussion. (Dr. Turley is a good example of this).
As to a search engine, you're right. Every so often one pops up that alleges to be "conservative", but it's usually just some branded marketing scheme of some larger entity. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:15, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
One more quick comment: As a long time student of history and historiography, newspapers and news publications can very often be some of the worst sources for historical reporting. The reason is simple to understand: newspapers and news organizations tend to sensationalize. They function under a deadline, in competition with other news organizations. They too often have a limited, or not even half, picture of a larger story. They lack perspective. Biographies and memoirs from eyewitnesses are considered better sources - even given a passage of time from the original event.
So in reading a news report, one always has to keep in mind how it fits with previous reported, unreported, and yet to be reported information.
One other note: Sometimes a news reporter or organization breaks a giant story, a story so big and complex, it cannot be reported in one single day. Although the news organization may have the full, complete story, it has to be rationed, or dribbled out over days, even weeks and months, for the public to grasp the full story. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:50, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
How does this relate to MPR, or even CP article creation? Too often editors jump on a sensational headline and want to post it on MPR or create or add to an existing article. While we can admire the enthusiasm and timeliness, editors should understand if they want to jump on a news story, they also need to be prepared to continue the follow up. If the story is that big, great, sensational, or of interest and relevance, then it doesn't just stop the next day when the next sensational headline sprouts up. If they want to share that story with others, they need to follow up and see it through to the end, and keep their readers informed.
So editors should know to choose their subjects carefully, that they believe other readers are interested in, and not leave readers hanging. It requires a commitment to the readers and the story, to see it through to the end. Editing shouldn't be just a "fad" business. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 03:03, October 26, 2022 (EDT)

RobS, you wrote: "Generally speaking, conservative commentators on current news stories are the best. So rather than using an MSM headline, wait a few hours or maybe even days, and post a conservative commentator's reaction to the alleged "news"."

You do make a valid point. However, once in a while, I do read MSM sources because being in too much of a right-wing bubble is the opposite extreme. If you do that, you might think various right-wingers are totally perfect human beings and all their various notions are always totally correct. The Bible takes a very good approach. It mentions the human failings of its heroes at times. I am familiar with the fields of persuasion/marketing/PR/logic/critical thinking/statistics/history more than most people so I am able to detect spin or deception better than most people. I am also familiar with various tools/methods related to doing online research so I am able to fact-check better than most people (I had one person who paid me to find legitimate cures for cancer for his wife who had cancer because he knew I had some research skills.). It is important to know the difference between fact/opinion. I don't regret taking a course in logic at a college and reading various works on critical thinking.

In the future, I think I am going to stick to limiting my news exposure and focus more on things I can do to have a positive impact on others. Conservative (talk) 03:19, October 26, 2022 (EDT)

I have a list in my brain of commentators on various subjects. Dr. Turley is one such example. Occasionally an MSM story breaks; I think, "What does Steve Turley say about this?" In the past year, he's gotten much better. There were times I had to wait two weeks for him to comment (cause supposedly other stories were more important). That got shortened to maybe 3 days in recent months, and of late now usually within hours. Turley is only one such example. It gets difficult when I have to choose between two or three commentators' reaction. (a word of confidential advice: that's what you should have done with the CCP virus headline - wait for someone else to support or back you up on your point of view - rather than trying to be first with breaking news). RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 03:31, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
In short: shut off all your MSM news feeds (with maybe the exception of one, and only one, of either Fox, OANN, or Newsmax). Be reluctant to use even them on MPR. Get ALL your MSM information filtered through select commentators, such as Turley, Mercouris, Linda Goudsmitt, Jake Dreizen, Berletic, China Uncensored, Useful Idiots, etc. etc. etc. and sources you personally qualify and respect (of whatever point of view). If they comment on an MSM story, it's worth noting or listening. If they ignore MSM BS, they've saved you the time and trouble of having to bare it yourself. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 03:49, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
Fox is very repetitive (They repeat material on the southern border, crime, inflation, free speech, liberal/leftist hypocrisy, wokeness and Biden's cognitive decline over and over. But it makes sense they are repetitive because that is what their 69% age 50 or older audience cares about and really what a majority of the country as a whole care about. Those are the big issues for the midterm elections. A big reason why the Rupert family owns Fox is so they can influence elections. Fox News has other problems which are mentioned in the Conservapedia Fox News article (Like they are pro-homosexuality friendly, etc. etc.). Conservative (talk) 05:29, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
I used to subscribe to OANN & Newsmax, but the xenophobic anti-Russian propaganda got so deafening months back, I took the opportunity to unsubscribe to them and bunch of others who parrot NSA/Deep State talking points. Now I know where everybody stands, who's a stooge and a fool, who has enough brains to keep their mouth shut, and who is actually carrying legitimate information (either Ukrainian or Russian). It was a good litmus test. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 05:43, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
There is a Judgement Day. Anyone, ANYONE, who expressed support prior, during, and after the irrefutable evidence of the Nazi Kyiv regime came to light, is and will be held accountable as either a Nazi sympathizer or Nazi apologist. This fact of God is undeniable. And for all his faults, Vladimir Putin, like Joseph Stalin, Winston Churchill, and Franklin Roosevelt, will be remembered for standing up against it. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 05:49, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
Narrator: This was, of course, utter guff and the elderly Mr. Smith would shortly discover his divine elevator featured only one, smouldering red button, with the arrow pointing down. ConwayIII (talk) 13:28, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
Do you subscribe to Useful Idiots? You should, it's right up your ally - a bunch of anti-war progressives and one of the best sources on Ukraine news on Youtube. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 13:46, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
Jimmy Dore is also another great anti-fascist Progressive. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 13:51, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
Another recommendation: Among a plethora of military observers and analyst, Ryber is being recognized a probably the most consistently accurate. They post up usually about once a day for about a minute and half. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:14, October 27, 2022 (EDT)

NATO war sitrep

Thanks for the recommendation. Are these the folks who reliably informed you the Siversk-Bakhmut line was "crumbling"? Or are these your Donbas "cauldron" peeps? ConwayIII (talk) 17:11, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
No, that came from here: European hyenas have already begun to share carrion. Don't you think it's disgusting the way Slavic brethren talk to one another? Maybe that's why I understand them so well. RobSGive Peace a chance 07:21, October 30, 2022 (EDT)
Generally, they don't report on daily military affairs, but rather domestic and foreign politics (I find their reporting on figures like Lindsey Graham or AOC in relation to Ukraine among some of the most accurate).
Of late, there has been nearly a 72 hour lag in any reporting, if it occurs at all, along the Siversk-Bakhmut front (Bakhmut in the past 24 hours has had conflicting reports from both sides, which typically means intense house-to-house fighting). One of the biggest problems of late is mislabeling "Ukrainian" forces, cause several NATO contingents are actively present (some reports say 70-80% of the alleged "Ukrainian" forces are actually NATO. For this reason, I am hesitant to report on any "Ukrainian" gains or losses in the sector).
Latest report from Avdiivka (the heart of the Donbas cauldron) is a major development, which may take some time to develop. I feel sorry for those boys if any are captured alive. They definitely will need the protection of the Russian armed services from the citizens of Donetsk.
As to the Polish/Ukraine and Polish/Belarus border, we may see some action there soon. As well as NATO invasion from Romania, with or without a nuclear false flag in Nikolaev. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:58, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
You should recall back in the spring, Biden gave it away that he was already briefed on plans to send in the 101st Airborne. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:10, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
I would suspect that after Biden confessed to the US planned terrorist attack on the civilian infrastructure of Germany, the Nordstream pipeline, and spilled the beans about the US planned invasion of Ukraine, Blinken, Sullivan and company are reluctant to tell him anything about what's up. Loose lips sink ships. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:21, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
I salute your determination to wallow in the most cartoonishly inaccurate guff you can find about this war. Just write in Godzilla and some velociraptors and be done with it, man. You can say they were spawned in a US-funded biolab just east of Lviv.
For the record, though, your boys are currently laying the groundwork for a retreat across the Dnieper and abandoning most of northern Luhansk. They'll try and stand and fight on (roughly) the old 2014 LOC plus their "land bridge" to Crimea. ConwayIII (talk) 20:38, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
As to the west bank of Dnieper, the situation is hazy right now (due to several factors) but the Fall Zelensky Offensive apparently has petered out (in addition to getting their butts kicked wholesale; Zelensky has 70,000 men there he's slaughtering daily in pointless suicide attacks; the Russians may be actually building reserves and equipment west of Dnieper from the recent mobilization, despite the risks. They really can't afford to lose that bridgehead. Troop rotations apparently are routine).
The problem in the Kherson district, as I've pointed out since March, is a U.S.-backed partisan Nazi insurgency will persist for years (even after if or when the Zelensky regime falls, and a ceasefire is negotiated). This was obvious since passage of the initial $40 billion aid bill. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:55, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
Yep. Attacking Russia is like stabbing a pillow with a sword. They drew Hitler in all the way to the Volga.
Unanimous Consent request to insert for the record USNews & World Report that Russia has the strongest military on the planet as NATO and the Biden regime attempt to provoke nuclear war with Russia. [1]

What stirs ye?

Is it that this nation,

On Moscow’s flaming walls, blood-slaked and ruin-quench’d,

Spurn’d back the insolent dictation

Of Him before whose nod ye blenched?

Is it that into dust we shatter’d,

The Dagon that weigh’d down all earth so wearily,

And our best blood so freely scatter’d,

To buy for Europe peace and liberty?


Ye’re bold of tongue — but hark, would ye in deed but try it

Or is the hero, now reclined in laurelled quiet,

Too weak to fix once more, Izmail’s red bayonet?

Or hath the Russian Tsar ever, in vain commanded?

Or must we meet all Europe banded?

Have we forgot to conquer yet?


Or rather, shall they not, from Perm to Tauris’ fountains,’

From the hot Colchian steppes, to Finland’s icy mountains,

From the grey, half-shatter’d wall,

To fair Kathay, in dotage buried

A steely rampart, close and serried,

Rise, Russia’s warriors, one and all?


Then send your numbers without number,

Your madden’d sons, your goaded slaves,

In Russia’s plains there’s room to slumber,

And well they’ll know their brethren’s graves! -Pushkin, 1832

RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:04, October 26, 2022 (EDT)

As you can see, there never was a "Ukraine". There were "borders" (Russian term "ukraine" or "at the side") established after the collapse of the Russian Empire, Austro-Hungarian Empire, and Second Reich, where the minority Galician dialect and Galician speaking peoples lived. But there never was, or ever has been, a county, nation, or people of "Ukraine". There was a multitude of groups living in the "borderlands" ("Ukraine") in the Soviet era.

The so-called "Ukrainians" of today, not all but a politically powerful tiny minority , are racist Galicians who supposedly kept their bloodline clean and abhor intermixed Russians with "Asiatic hordes." RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:17, October 26, 2022 (EDT)

Dmitri Medvedev just said, [18]
" There is only one currency for both the incumbent Biden team and their Republican opponents which is the lives of citizens of the mythical country of Ukraine that they do not need...They are a bargaining chip in America’s great game, and they are easily laid upon the altar for a future political triumph overseas...However, Russians have been suffering in this conflict, too...The only difference is that our people will be avenged...Every one of them...Both in combat and elsewhere, far from the battlefields...And certainly not as part of ineffective court trials, but by some other means...While nobody will remember Ukrainians”.
Even though Western leaders have closed their ears, Western audience need to begin listening. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:20, October 27, 2022 (EDT)
HAHAHA! Even the propaganda mouthpiece, Wikipedia, which controls the ru.wikipedia.org website, says in its English language version, [19]
The generally "accepted" and frequently used meaning of the word as "borderland" has increasingly been challenged by revision, motivated by self-asserting of identity.
"self-asserting of identity", meaning nobody else recognizes it. Earlier it says,
this word was used in the meaning of "border lands", without reference to any particular region with clear borders
Note: no reference to people, ethnic group, or language. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:48, October 27, 2022 (EDT)
So what is NATO fighting for today? Answer: To uphold Lenin and Khrushchev's anti-democratic (none of the peoples resident in the borderlands ever voted to join or be "Ukraine") legacy. Do not think Russians are stupid, as Western Europeans and Americans obviously are. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:36, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
Add into that Stalin, Khrushchev, and Lenin. It was Stalin who convinced FDR and Alger Hiss to award "the Ukraine" a seat in the UN General Assembly at the Yalta Conference. [20] How soon we forget. It is NATO today aggressively fighting for the values it was created to defend against. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:46, October 27, 2022 (EDT)
You should probably check what happened 20-odd years after Pushkin wrote that stirring ode to Russian military might. ConwayIII (talk) 21:42, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
What? The Crimean War? The Brits failed to turn Sevastopol into another Gibraltar, but give'm credit, they haven't stopped trying. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:05, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
See that's what confused Hitler. He could never understand why Britain was fighting against him. He felt Germany and Britain would be, or should be, natural allies against Russia. Apparently, the modern EU proves Hitler right. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:10, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
My man, the Crimean War is a classic example of Russian hubris breaking hard & fast against the rocks of a rotten, ill-equipped army and a sclerotic economy. They'd seen off Boney's invasion in 1812 (cf. Pushkin's throbbing nationalist fervour above) and had some fun at the expense of a declining Ottoman Empire. Subsequently, though, up against more modern armies & economies, they couldn't manage expeditionary warfare at scale and got their asses handed to them on a plate.
The parallels between Nicholas I and Putin's pig-headed prosecution of this war are just too delicious to ignore. ConwayIII (talk) 10:17, October 27, 2022 (EDT)
In war, what is the objective? The British Empire's objective in 1854 is no different then NATO (basically, at the UK's behest) as it is today - to seize and occupy Sevastopol naval base. The British Empire failed in its objective, i.e. lost the war. Right now, NATO is threatening to seize Odessa as an alternative to Sevastopol with the 101st Airborne from Romania.
Now, we ask, Why does NATO need Sevastopol or Odessa as naval bases on the Black Sea when it already has bases in Romania? Answer: It doesn't. NATO, like the British Empire, motives are purely aggressive, to limit Russian maritime access and naval power. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 12:05, October 27, 2022 (EDT)
No. The objective was to prevent Russia rolling through a declining Ottoman Empire and gaining footholds in the Mediterranean, Middle East and Africa. An objective which was fully (and permanently) achieved, btw: imperial Russia's only significant territorial gains after that were various -stans in Central Asia.
Meanwhile, back home, the whole affair was regarded as such a debacle that Nicholas' successor had to commit to a range of sweeping reforms to try & drag Russia into something approaching the modern world.
If he (Alexander, Part Deux) had actually seen those reforms through, instead of getting all weird & reactionary after an assassination attempt, Russia and the rest of the planet might've been spared the tender mercies of Lenin and Stalin. But he bottled it, ended up getting assassinated anyway, and here we are with an ex-KGB, wannabe tsar, high on the smell of his own farts and leading Russia to disaster, just like Nicholas I. ConwayIII (talk) 21:15, October 27, 2022 (EDT)
Well duh. I already noted above (on another thread) that Sevastopol is what gives Russia access to the Mediterranean, Middle East, Africa, and beyond. Your argument that Russia and the Czar went to the UK & France, kidnapped their armies, dragged them to Crimea and forced them to fight is balderdash. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:24, October 27, 2022 (EDT)
Okay, that may be an exaggeration. Rephrased: Your argument that being technologically and "culturally" superior makes you morally and legally justified in your actions is a load of crap. That, and $5 dollars will get a cup a coffee in Russia at what used to be Starbucks. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:30, October 27, 2022 (EDT)
The Bosphorus and the Dardanelles are both still things, man. Good luck getting into the Med from Sevastopol without them. ConwayIII (talk) 21:35, October 27, 2022 (EDT)
<classified update>...the recent agreement to turn Turkiye into a natural gas energy hub in Europe replacing the Nordstream pipeline included an exchange of Turkiye not selling any more Bayraktar drones to Ukraine and allowing passage of Russian submarines through the Dardenelles... RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:51, October 27, 2022 (EDT)
Apparantly, the alleged "free market capitalists" running NATO & the EU forgot what a "Win-Win" deal is. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:53, October 27, 2022 (EDT)
That will be good for a round of laughs and drinks when NATO begins sanctioning itself.... RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:56, October 27, 2022 (EDT)
The first paragraph from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War#Long-term_effects is well worth reading (especially for the deja vu aspects). I'd love to pick it apart, but for the space of brevity, let's look at this from last sentence:
the poor condition and illiteracy of the serfs who made up the armed forces, the inability of the serf economy to sustain a state of war against industrial powers, and the failures of autocracy itself
hmmm, "the serf economy to sustain a state of war against industrial powers"
Uk & France ain't industrial powers anymore (neither is the US). The UK & France are a bunch sodomites, overrun by migrants, overseen by corrupt oligarchs who don't care how the 'serfs' beneath them live. Whereas today Russia is the 'industrial power', holding all the energy and mineral chips, as well. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:09, October 27, 2022 (EDT)

The first drone war

The first drone war reveals a major flaw in U.S. advanced strategic thinking. Right now, the US is spending about $2 million for a missile to shoot down a $2000 drone, which the Russians are producing about 100 a day (forget the idea of taking out Russian factories, where they are produced, with F-15s, sea-launched precision cruise missiles, B-1 bombers, or our own version of cheap drones. Russian aerial defense is not only superior, it's the best on the planet. While the US has spent oodles and oodles for "air superiority" in attack for 8 decades, the Russians have concentrated on aerial defense, duh. Including bunkers for civilians in addition to radar, anti-missile weapons, etc. So even if you could produce an attack drone equal to the Russians, their civilians are in bunkers, whereas yours are not).

Here we have the same problem, again. While the U.S. led the way in developing the modern drones for war, the U.S. thinking is always to spend big over long periods of time on expensive projects. But nobody ever said, back in 2006 when the first J-DAM was deployed, "Hey, why don't we focus on building a smaller, cheaper drone cause the Russians have aerial defense superiority?" No. The U.S. strategic thinking is always, "expensive is better." Does anybody say, "we need the flexibility to adjust to what the enemy has to offer." So when war comes, and you realize you spent decades and billions on projects that are half finished, it's not easy to play catch up to an enemy who's eating your lunch. We've seen this a jillion times in every war over the past 100+ years. No. Expensive is not better (this was the same argument Stalin responded to with, "quantity has a quality of its own").

The nuke, which cost the equivalent of over $100 billion in today's money just to develop (never mind 80 years of maintenance and upgrades), is virtually useless, cause nobody's willing to use it. U.S. strategic thinking is screwed in the head, and has been for a long time. Don't look at this stupid war right now, look at Afghanistan, and other wars before that. So, why were we in Afghanistan, Vietnam, and now Ukraine? Answer: as an experimental testing ground for the MIC. Go ahead, sing your patriotic songs, make your anti-Putin speeches, and tell me gay marriage is a God-given constitutional right people are willing to die for. I say you're full of crap. RobSGive Peace a chance 06:24, October 28, 2022 (EDT)

Report: Polish and Romanian NATO forces kill Ukrainian Nazis (Pravy Sektor) who tried to force them to attack on a suicide mission

The Poles and Romanians are not members of the Ukrainian Territorial Defense, who the Nazis routinely kill if they try to retreat. Developing. RobSGive Peace a chance 02:40, October 28, 2022 (EDT

US News and World Report is wrong about Russia having the strongest military

US News and World Report is wrong about Russia having the strongest military.[21] And I noticed there was no date on the web page in terms of when it was published. Corruption and some inferior technology is hurting Russia's military now.

I agree with Statista and USA Today which says the USA has the strongest military.[22] USA! USA! USA!Conservative (talk) 09:24, October 28, 2022 (EDT)

What? Are you telling me in the midst of a propaganda war, we are being propagandized? I can't believe it. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:23, October 28, 2022 (EDT)
OMG. See. That's what happens when you put stock in an MSM name brand like NYT or USNews.
You need to qualify each individual author, individually. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:28, October 28, 2022 (EDT)
OTOH, you can also just go with the mob on popular sentiment, like "Putin bad", or "Orange man bad", without any proof or evidence. And it's really easy to do when the source is in a foreign language. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:30, October 28, 2022 (EDT)
Russia has a much bigger army than Ukraine, but they are not doing very well lately given their: often current low morale; troops who are not able to take the initiative as much as Western-trained forces; inferior technology that was often poorly maintained; often poor training; ill-equipped nature and poor logistics issues. Maybe they will turn this around through their partial mobilization, but corruption has really negatively affected the Russian army.
This war in Ukraine has really downgraded world opinion on the perceived strength of the Russian military.
Vietnam was won by the North Vietnamese due to the USA souring on the war. Maybe Russia will win in a similar fashion after this winter in Europe and energy problems in Europe.
But maybe all Russia has to do to win is wreck Ukraine and get them to agree to not ever join NATO. Even merely wrecking Ukraine might be enough of a win for Russians. Conservative (talk) 02:41, October 29, 2022 (EDT)
Where do you get this crap? You are still listening to Gen. Hodges talking points filtered through MSM sources.
Ukraine lost. Ukraine has been defeated on the battlefield. The Kyiv regime, such that it exists, is bankrupt. The nation has lost its sovereignty. It is now an American colony.
The ongoing fighting is between NATO and Russia, with a few surviving civilian Ukrainian conscripts. Any skilled fighting that occurs are foreign mercenaries, and deactivated NATO troops paid by the American government laundered through Zelensky. American and NATO troops man the HIMARs and lead troops in combat. RobSGive Peace a chance 02:49, October 29, 2022 (EDT)
Ukraine has not lost. Putin has had to up the ante and go to partial mobilization. Time will tell as far as how things pan out. After the dust clears, the war will likely be a losing long-term proposition for the Russians, Ukrainians, the Europeans and the American taxpayers. Even before the first shot was fired, Ukraine/Russia faced low fertility rates and declining populations. This war has made things worse. Conservative (talk) 04:24, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

Putin's joke

German protest against Russian sanctions and for opening the Nord Stream pipeline on the morning before the U.S. environmental terrorist attack on the pipeline. [2]

Son: Daddy, why is our home so cold?

Father: Because Russia attacked Ukraine.

Son: What does that have to do with us?

Father: We imposed sanctions against Russia.

Son: Why?

Father: To make Russians feel bad.

Son: Dad, are we Russians?

RobSGive Peace a chance 16:03, October 28, 2022 (EDT)

I am hoping the Germans help convince the Biden Administration to push the Ukrainians into accepting a peace deal with Russia. The German manufacturing sector is going to get hit hard. Conservative (talk) 17:25, October 28, 2022 (EDT)
It's up to the German people, if they have any cahoonies left, not the German government. The Scholz regime would have to fall first, before the Zelensky regime. And the people, despite leftist totalitarianism and the globalist propaganda media (like we have in the United States) have to topple it.
With rigged elections and a police state, I doubt it's possible. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:31, October 28, 2022 (EDT)
You saw what happened when the German people started to rise up in the streets against the government and its collusion with NATO & the EU, the United States attacked the civilian infrastructure of Germany with a subhunter and blew up the Nordstream pipeline, making the Germans freeze. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:39, October 28, 2022 (EDT)
I just remembered something. Mearsheimer says the German leadership is more reluctant to be out front in terms of foreign policy leadership after WWII/Nazis. There is still some guilt. Conservative (talk) 17:50, October 28, 2022 (EDT)
Scholz chief-of-staff said the same thing the other day: Germany still a ‘teenager’ in leading foreign security policy, says Scholz aide Wolfgang Schmidt asks for patience from allies urging his country to head efforts to support Ukraine. (Obviously, when the chief of staff says it is cuz Scholz doesn't have the cahoonies to say it himself). RobSGive Peace a chance 17:54, October 28, 2022 (EDT)
That's why the Biden junta thinks it can nakedly nuke (i.e. commit and Act of War) against the German people and get away with it. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:56, October 28, 2022 (EDT)

Just when I thought the Biden Administration couldn't be more incompetent, they are now saying that they may use nukes for nonnuclear threats. Other than the Russians clearly taking out a whole lot of USA missile detection systems so we couldn't detect missiles coming in, this policy is total madness. I really don't know what technology the USA uses to detect missiles coming in. Maybe it is satellite technology combined with radar. Conservative (talk) 17:58, October 28, 2022 (EDT)

As it's been explained to me, the US can detect the launch of a missile anywhere on the planet in real time (probably a combination of satellite and seismographic technology), whereas Russians are 20-30 years behind using radar and satellite technology. Of course, none of this tells you if the missile is carrying a nuke. So there is reliance, at least on the Russian side, on previous diplomatic agreements to warn the other side about launch, as we saw just yesterday when Russians notified Washington, in compliance with a now cancelled or expired treaty, about its nuclear drill. North Korea, by contrast, is not party to any such warnings, and has said in the past week it supports Uncle Vovo and will do anything on his command. South Korea and Japan are warning the DPRK is preparing a nuclear test. Last night, warnings were up from S Korea, Japan, and the DPRK itself that the DPRK was preparing a missile launch test (even in a "test", you never really know if the country doing a "test" is for real or not). RobSGive Peace a chance 19:52, October 28, 2022 (EDT)
In actuality, the Pentagon headline grabber may be a warning to North Korea, and have nothing to do with Ukraine. Then again, maybe not. RobSGive Peace a chance 20:02, October 28, 2022 (EDT)
All this relates immediately to the Odessa, Nikolaev, and Kherson fronts. Zelensky is throwing away the lives of 70,000, untrained, conscripted civilians on the Western Dnieper in an "October Surprise" for the US Midterms, to hopefully keep the US gravy train funding flowing past Nov. 8 (at least that's the conventional view of most analysts.) The 101st Airborne is sitting a couple hundred miles away on the Romanian border ready to race toward Odessa, should the Zelensky Offensive fail and the Russians breakthrough and take Nikolaev (that would take the whole winter to play out). Once the 70,000 man Ukrainian force is destroyed, 4,700 man 101st Airborne is no match for 82,000 Russian Reservists already in Ukraine from the recent mobilization. A similar scenario is being played out on the north Kharkov front. Another similar scenario is being played out in western Ukraine and Belarus with less manpower involved, where an invasion from Belarus to cut off road & rail traffic of NATO weapons from Poland can and may happen.
Ukraine has lost the war militarily, already. NATO life support is keeping the regime propped up. Nuking Russian troops in Ukraine is the only option left to prevent a Russian "win", cause there simply isn't enough NATO troops to face Russian troops in Ukraine. (And the idea of Western "air superiority" is BS).
And recent reports state that, in a little less than the past decade, American military planners have flipped, believing the US can first strike with nukes, survive, and "win." And that the Russians belief in MAD is flawed. RobSGive Peace a chance 18:18, October 28, 2022 (EDT)
Obama caused 8 years of economic damage. And now because of the VP he picked, there will be another 4 years of economic damage. And now thanks to Obama, due to the VP he picked, the risk of nuclear war has increased. JFK was more dovish than his generals during the Cuban Missile Crisis, but with Biden we have less common sense than hawkish generals or at least parity with hawkish generals.
In addition, during times of more scarcity, race relations is harder to achieve. Plus, the Democrats like to stoke racial division. On a more positive note, there is the long-term trend of more interracial marriage which helps lessen racial division year to year.
Oh well, I am not worried. I am in some recession/depression resistant fields. In addition, in a worst-case scenario, I think I will be able to emigrate if things get really bad due to Democrats down the pike. Furthermore, I know that if you are a child of God, God will provide. Conservative (talk) 23:03, October 28, 2022 (EDT)
I have a strategy I thought up to avoid nuclear bombs during a nuclear war. To avoid the nuclear bombs, move to a Democrat-controlled city in a Democrat-controlled state. The Russians will look upon your crime-ridden, dilapidated city as something not worth blowing up. Conservative (talk) 23:09, October 28, 2022 (EDT)
If Hillary Clinton had won in 2016, what is happening globally right now, would have started in 2017. And we have Lindsey Graham's testimony to that in front of the Azov Battalion: "2017 will be the year of offense." IMO, Obama held back when the Maidan coup failed to secure Sevastopol and Crimea in one clean sweep without military intervention. He said, 'leave it to my successor' for the remainder of his term after 2014. RobSGive Peace a chance 01:09, October 29, 2022 (EDT)
When Trump failed to follow through with the war, Congress and the "interagency consensus" impeached him. Even Russiagate failed to remove him. This war has been delayed 8 years by two presidents. RobSGive Peace a chance 02:39, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

greenie weenies and sodomites have brought us to the brink of nuclear war

A strike on Russia with a missile carrying a nuclear payload would be a setback for halting same-sex marriage as well. I wonder why there's so little support for that practice right now in a nation like Russia with a parliament whose membership is 20% communist?
Russian schools are probably holding "duck and cover" drills right now. It's ironic that by fostering conservative attitudes about the limits of practices in peoples' personal lives at this advanced stage of civilization, the Russians have set their defense security back to the late 1940s as stated, the very time of the heyday of such attitudes. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 18:58, October 28, 2022 (EDT)
Shhh....the adults are talking. RobSGive Peace a chance 19:28, October 28, 2022 (EDT)
Tell you what, take your climate change and gay agenda comments and create a separate thread. Those seem to be a bigger priority and greater threat than nuclear war to you.
Who woulda thunk your gay agenda would turn into a nuclear threat? (I actually did back 2002 in the early days of the War on Terror, saying it caused or would cause jihadi recruiting (Brits use the term "recruting Sargeant"). But I was silenced by cancel culture. RobSGive Peace a chance 20:06, October 28, 2022 (EDT)
Expressed in simple language in a simple English sentence, "same-sex marriage is a recruiting sergeant for jihadi suicide bombers and nuclear war," and I think the historical record now, and 50 years from now, bears this out. I hope that's the last we ever hear of it. RobSGive Peace a chance
This is your section title, obviously. I never talk about climate change; I just happen to be the person who visited every last reference link in the article to format the references to professional standards.
And the John Lennon "Give Peace a Chance" 1969 rally occurred in the Great Lakes region where I was living at the time. Meanwhile in San Francisco, a young female protester put a flower in some guardsman's rifle patrolling the protest, imitating an event in Yellow Submarine. So I'm leery of events that look staged to be some attempt at social programming. Because it means someone's trying to turn their own problems into mine.
If someone's pulling my chain with a nuclear threat, I've stopped the habit of looking at the threat and look more to the motives of whoever's doing the pulling.
Twitter's a fake website, but what I'm complaining about is just as authentic as the Ukraine War is. I don't actually think we're in any advanced stage of civilization.
But what you're saying makes sense, why not give destiny a helping hand and capitulate by pushing through same-sex marriage recognition laws during a global pandemic so the Arabs don't lift their swords. That would once again make it a shell game; one Semitic group playing us against another. Just your theory, though. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 23:50, October 28, 2022 (EDT)
Yah, I was there too in the Great Lakes region; I remember it like it was yesterday when I first heard the song. It was going soo much against the grain of popular wisdom and MSM.
I think today people confuse the girl sticking the flower in the Guardsman's rifle with the Kent State shooting.
There's been a generational change. Younger people think climate change is the No. 1 issue threatening the planet (climate change, which incidentally originated as a KGB dezinformatsiya plot to fight the core Western capitalist industries of automobile manufacturing and oil drilling, which they could not compete with, later adopted by NASA & CIA in the post-Cold War era to justify their continued existence and funding). It's another failing of the Boomers - to educate their children properly. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:58, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

Do the Jews still control Hollywood?

One of Norm McDonald's greatest SNL segments was about the Jews controlling Hollywood. With headlines like this, you have to wonder: "Billionaire No More: Kanye West’s Antisemitism Obliterates His Net Worth As Adidas Cuts Ties." His net worth went from $2 billion to a mere $400 million now, according to Forbes. Ye was testing the limits of Jewish power. “I can say antisemitic s—- and Adidas cannot drop me,” he boasted. As for Adidas, its stock has plummeted 30 percent since September 12. The obvious next move for Ye is to relaunch Yeezy sneakers as an independent brand. We can have antisemitic college campuses, as well as a major antisemitic news network. But antisemitic overpriced footwear? That's a bridge you don't want to cross. PeterKa (talk) 21:12, October 26, 2022 (EDT)

Yes of course. Not only are all the top executives of the film studios are jews, but even some of the top directors and producers are jews as well. Admiral_Farmer (talk) 23:27, October 26, 2022 (EDT)

By decapitalizing "Jews" you're robbing them of their personhood and falsely conveying they're persecuted, when they're obviously a well-protected class.
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And by the way, whoever called Nazi territories "The Third Reich"? That's a "Hollywoodized" projection of ambition back on the Nazi regime. The biggest threat to Western Europe was the ambitious Socialist bloc generally in Eastern Europe and Italy. "Too bad" it didn't all work out, but who's to say it mightn't've? VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 01:52, October 27, 2022 (EDT)
Personal remark removed makes stupid remarks like the one above and then floods the talk page with garbage to cover it up. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 23:59, October 27, 2022 (EDT)
The promotion of the use of the very word "antisemitism" proves the conflicts between the various Semitic groups is just a shell game to make their meddling in the affairs of other countries more palatable and their ethnic cleansing practices more excusable. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 00:35, October 28, 2022 (EDT)
In anthropological Structuralism, Levi-Strauss gave an ex. of his doctrine by noting: which elements of the mythos are important depend on what story the poet is trying to tell.
Likewise the rise & fall of the importance of particular social mores, in this case, "direct answers".
--Vargas Milan, October 14, 2022
VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 18:11, October 28, 2022 (EDT)
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