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DeSantis updates

Note: Posters to this page should better organize their thoughts rather than endlessly spamming the page by creating new threads on the same topic at the bottom of the page. Thank you. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:40, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

De Santis signs "strongest anti semitism bill in the United States".

Lol, look how he refutes the false accusation of the lib dems. Rob, you listening? De Santis is Pro-Israel and Anti-Nazi, Period. Those "protestors" were probably lib dem plants in the first place, perhaps funded by left-winger Soros or some such Anti-American people.

"Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on Thursday signed a bill described by one of its co-sponsors as “the strongest antisemitism bill in the United States...” https://www.algemeiner.com/2023/04/27/florida-gov-ron-desantis-signs-antisemitism-bill/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 23:24, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

No, I'm not listening. I'm paying attention the BS coming out of the MSM, like you do. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:02, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

See, your arguments make no sense. You pay no attention to facts and critical thinking, and are swayed by emotion and MSM BS. So when the MSM goes against your boy, what difference does it make? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:07, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

See, my arguments refute yours, and make complete sense. You claimed some Nazi Anti-Semites may be supporting De Santis. I showed even if they support him, he doesn't support them, and condemned Anti-Semitism in a strong bill. Leave aside whether they were actual Nazis or Dem plants. As for the leftist media, the media is AGAINST De Santis now, if you haven't realized, especially after he's started doing so well in the polls. We are fighting against the leftist media, and leftists everywhere, yet we will persevere, work hard, and win by God's Grace. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 00:14, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

That does not matter, what you or I think. What matters is what MSM reports (basically, DNC talking points) which gullible people like yourself swallow wholesale and cannot be reasoned with. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:31, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Right back at you. You swallow DNC propaganda against De Santis and then blame me for pointing it out. Not going to keep debating with you, but simply preach the Truth and move on. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 00:34, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Not really. If you've actually been following, I've been silent on DeSantis and pretty much the upcoming primaries. Trump I only cite in relation to the Biden DOJ's abuses. Confidentially, I'm appalled at the anti-DeSantis and anti-Trump accusations being hurled back and forth 7 months before voting even starts.

The focus right now should be on educating the public about Ukrainian Nazism and the Kyiv puppet regime. It's far too early for electioneering when people are ignorant about the facts of what is happening in the world right now. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:53, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Your "focus" can be on that. Since I obviously don't agree with you, my "focus" will be on different things, like Russian Neo-Stalinism.

As for it being too early, I don't agree with that either. Christian Conservatives should demand, at minimum, 6 week pro-life protections, especially because 55% would be ok with that (see below). Trump has refused to commit to that. Too bad. Christians/Conservatives then need to unite behind another Candidate, and De Santis obviously stands out. Trump calling himself "the Father of the Vaccine" and other issues also matter. You have freedom of speech to believe and say what you want. I have equal freedom to post other things I think are important.NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 02:13, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

You are deceived. "Neo-Stalinism" is Nazi propaganda you bit off wholesale. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:16, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

You are going to look awfully foolish if come the fall of 2024 Trump is running against Biden's support for Nazism. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:23, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

• Ukraine's 2016 Election Meddling Are Matters of Fact (yet you support the fascist regime).

• See also [4]

RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:38, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

I care about saving lives and helping people. I'm not concerned about what you or anyone else thinks. Only what God thinks.

I'd rather fight a good fight and not win then do nothing and just complain about LGBT, as you do. De Santis will stop that. 02:39, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Your Ukraine Nazi buddies murdered 14,000 people before Putin's special military operation intervened; Christians are concerned about truth, yet you don't want to hear it. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:48, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

The Kremlin has lied so often its lies are not credible anymore. They claimed they wanted to save "Russian speakers", then burnt Mariupul, predominantly Russian speaking, to the ground. The Kremlin has caused over 10 MN to suffer: "Since then, more than 8 million Ukrainians have registered as refugees in Europe and another 5.3 million have become internally displaced, according to the U.N. refugee agency. But these statistics reflect only a small part of the struggle civilians are going through." https://www.npr.org/sections/pictureshow/2023/04/20/1160074401/ukraine-russia-war-refugees-displaced-people You refuse to see the Kremlin is on the evil side in this fight, and Ukrainian Self-Defense is 100% Justified. Gonna shake the dust off my feet after this response to you on this subject, as you don't have the ears to hear the Truth. "He who hath ears, let him hear". NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 02:51, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

LOL, NPR.

Here's the facts: Russia did not interfere in the 2016 elections - Ukraine did, and blamed Russia. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:53, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

See for yourself: the Greenie weenies, the German war party backing Ukraine, "God is queer". I hope your comfortable with your neo-nazi allies. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 05:02, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

De Santis Allies set up a school to train a $100 Million door knocking Army

Things looking better and better than ever for De Santis. I predict he will both beat the Donald (Duck) and go on to beat Biden. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/06/16/desantis-door-knocking-super-pac/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 01:33, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

I saw that someone posted on the news page that African leaders complained America under Biden was promoting LGBT. Yes, it's a problem, but De Santis is the only one who can stop it. Btw, that's not a reason to support Commie China. Commie China was responsible for Covid through callous negligence and Africa is one of the Continents that suffered most because of Covid. Someone should tell the leaders that. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 01:33, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, so now China is responsible for covid and not Fauci or the NIH; next you're going to tell us Russia blew up the Nordstream pipeline; destroyed the Kakhova dam, shelled itself at the Zaporozhe nuclear power plant, and committed the Bucha massacre. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:43, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Hey, guys. Long time no talk. I took a sabbatical back in February for personal reasons, but I've been frequently visiting and observing since then.

I'm now breaking my sabbatical to thank RobSmith for being the first admin (that I know of) to openly admit what I'd been saying all along: that America, not China, is responsible for COVID. I'd personally go further and accuse the CIA of being behind the Wuhan lab leak and framing CCP in order to create a justification for a future Sino-American war, but that's technically a seperate issue for debate.--Geopolitician (talk) 14:18, June 20, 2023 (EDT)

Welcomer back, sincerely. Let me humbly also confess, your points on the The Grand Chessboard were prophetic at the time. And your discussions of NATO terrorism and Mike Pompeo have also given me cause to pause and think in the intervening months, as well. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:27, June 20, 2023 (EDT)

Where did Covid come from? Where is Wuhan located? Why did the Chinese Communist Party lie about it? China lied, People died, and the world bled. Yes, Fauci is also responsible, for his dictatorial Covid policies which De Santis courageously opposes, while Trump calls himself "Father of the Vaccine" and supported Fauci. I choose Freedom over Faucism, I choose De Santis over Trump, I choose Democracy over Communism.NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 02:03, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

From your link: "Nearly 1 million Americans have died.[6]

Dr. Robert Redfield, former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), told CNN that he believes the virus escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) lab in China. “I do not believe this somehow came from a bat to a human.”[7]"

Who is responsible for those 1 MN American deaths, plus millions of others around the world? The CCP. Own it.

"Why does this matter? Because for years, the mainstream media dismissed the lab leak as a conspiracy theory, and as a result, the Chinese Communist Party and the Wuhan Institute of Virology were allowed to deny, deny, deny, while the virus ravaged the entire globe and killed millions of people ...

That is why I introduced the resolution to force the communist China to accept responsibility for its gross deception and mishandling of the coronavirus outbreak. If the Administration won’t stand up for the American people, the People’s House must.

Moreover, the United States’ response to the pandemic has cost trillions of dollars. China shouldn’t just be made to take responsibility for the pandemic, the CCP should pay for it. My bill would empower the U.S. to withhold payments on debt owed to China equal to the amount spent on pandemic response.

China lied, and people died. It’s time that China faces the consequences." https://mast.house.gov/china-debt NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 02:05, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

You are simply brainwashed to accept American xenophobic propaganda about any nation or people anywhere in the world. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:21, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Thank you RobSmith for admitting another thing I'd been saying all along: That much of what we hear in the news about China is neocon propaganda designed into conditioning us into supporting Brzezinski's xenophobic and genocidal "Eurasian Balkans" project.--Geopolitician (talk) 14:18, June 20, 2023 (EDT)

That's Commie Propaganda, that opposing Commie Dictators/Terrorists like Mao or Xi is "xenophobic". I stand with the good Chinese people suffering under Communism and like Pope St. John Paul II, Ronald Raegan, Lech Walesa and others, want to liberate them from Communism.

"Can you name the greatest mass murderer of the 20th century? No, it wasn’t Hitler or Stalin. It was Mao Zedong.

According to the authoritative “Black Book of Communism,” an estimated 65 million Chinese died as a result of Mao’s repeated, merciless attempts to create a new “socialist” China. Anyone who got in his way was done away with—by execution, imprisonment or forced famine.

For Mao, the No. 1 enemy was the intellectual. The so-called Great Helmsman reveled in his blood-letting, boasting, “What’s so unusual about Emperor Shih Huang of the China Dynasty? He had buried alive 460 scholars only, but we have buried alive 46,000 scholars.” Mao was referring to a major “accomplishment” of the Great Cultural Revolution, which from 1966-1976 transformed China into a great House of Fear." https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/the-legacy-mao-zedong-mass-murder Communism is responsible for 100 MN+ Deaths. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 02:48, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Sorry, but you're in bed with totalitarian fascists who have destroyed American democracy. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 03:30, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Simple Projection on your part. I stand with De Santis, and De Santis will help take down those Covidian and Totalitarian Fascists you're in bed with. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 04:17, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Where did DeSantis get $100 million from? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:18, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Trump we know is his own man. He spends his own money. He can't be bought. DeSantis Megadonor, Billionaire Head of Citadel Investments Ken Griffin, Explains Why He Purchased Ron DeSantis for 2024 and What He Expects from His Investment. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:27, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

• Here’s Why the Big Club and People Managing Ron DeSantis Hate Donald Trump

• As Expected Twitter Begins Limiting Reach of Content Critical of Ron DeSantis

• Donald Trump’s America First -vs- Ron DeSantis and the Multinationals

• DeSantis 101

• Video – Governor Ron DeSantis Advocates for Politicians to Be Owned by Billionaires, Laments Campaign Finance Limits

• REMINDER: The Core Battle Begins Within the Republican Party

• Ron DeSantis Wins the Coveted George Soros Endorsement – Describing DeSantis as “Shrewd, Ruthless and Ambitious”…

• Details Surface of How Ron DeSantis Is Using a Registered Foreign Agent to Assemble His Online Influence Campaign

• Big Picture DeSantis Corporate Club Plan and Some Site Note Reminders

• Returning to Neocon Roots – DeSantis Backtracks on His Tucker Carlson Ukraine Position as Territorial Dispute, Now Says “I think it’s been mischaracterized,” and “Putin is a war criminal”

RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:56, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, I got ahead of myself. In response to the "$100 million door knocking campaign", we have these two reports from months ago:

• Team DeSantis Focused on Creating Astroturf Attendance for 2024 Campaign Rallies
• Team DeSantis Expand Astroturf Operations – Hire Team Cruz and Team Youngkin, Immediately Begin Fake Push Polls

A bought-and-paid for mob by globalists and multinational corporate donors is not really a grassroots operation. It's more akin to a Soros Foundation/NED color revolution. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:27, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

The technical terms are Hertz-Rent-A-Mob or Astroturf. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:31, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Trump sided with Disney in its efforts to corrupt kids with the LGBT Agenda against De Santis. That should tell you all you need to know about whose cause is righteous and whose is wicked, but unfortunately you don't have eyes to see. I suggest you stop cussing/swearing so much and praying much more. Pray and read the Word for at least 1-2 hours a day, and more on weekends. Ask God to give you Wisdom and guide you. Trump also criticized De Santis on his 6 Week Abortion Heart Beat Bill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qecgxM-ErcU Trump did some ok things last time around, but his time has passed, and his recent stances are very problematic, including supporting Disney. De Santis will never bow to Child Genital Mutilation supporting Disney, no matter how many 100s of Millions of Dollars anyone throws at him, or the Woke Mob, and he has a large number of supporters, including wealthy ones. They have perfect right to support their Conservative Candidate.NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 09:41, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Why should I believe you about Trump and Disney? I don't know, I didn't follow whatever it is your talking about, and you have a habit of using the same sources of information that lied about Donald Trump for the past 8 years. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:32, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

My apologies, but I have more pressing issues with moral considerations and consequences than Mickey Mouse and Disney. Somebody's gotta do it, because you sure aren't doing it. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:34, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

A 20 second Google Search would have shown you, certainly less than the time it took you to give those 10 or so links above: "Gov. Ron DeSantis said by attacking him over his campaign against Disney, former President Donald Trump is "taking the side" of a multinational corporation sexualizing children.

"When he’s taking Disney’s side against me, I just kind of wonder. OK, I get that he wants to hit me, but don’t take the side of a multinational corporation that wants to sexualize kids," DeSantis said" NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 11:49, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Ooooh, now I understand. Trump and others criticized the DeSantis Admin mishandling of the lawsuit with Disney. That is not the same as "Trump sided with Disney." Man, you are never going to make it as a bona fide propagandist if you keep getting hoodwinked by BS. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:02, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

This evidently is what you are talking about: Team DeSantis Say They Have Been Hoodwinked by Disney Inc. as Orlando Board Changed Covenants Before New Officials Appointed:

"Days before the five DeSantis appointees showed up to take control of Walt Disney World zoning board in Orange County, the former board held a public hearing to codify pre-existing rules and covenants extending for “21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England living as of the date of the declaration.” Essentially, the new board is moot, except for deciding on roadways and bridges.

As a result, a long and protracted legal battle is now anticipated, which will likely cost Florida taxpayers millions in lawyer fees as the appointees of the board try and challenge the construct put into place prior to their arrival."

So apparently we caught you in a red-handed lie. Some might call it an "exaggeration." But now I have cause to doubt if you really care at all about victims of the LGBT agenda and genital mutilation. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:20, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Nope, I spoke the Truth. Read this: "Florida's two most powerful Republican presidential hopefuls sparred on Memorial Day over Walt Disney World. Speaking on Fox & Friends show Monday morning, Gov. Ron DeSantis took former President Donald Trump to task for "taking the side of Disney in our fight down here in Florida." https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/politics/2023/05/30/memorial-day-sparring-between-desantis-trump-on-woke-disney/70267192007/ De Santis is the only one who has the Courage of Conviction to take on Woke Mob and Win. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 13:48, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

You have no evidence that Trump ever "sided with Disney." Period. I wouldn't call you a malicious liar, but rather naive with poor judgement and reading comprehension skills. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:49, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

De Santis calls out the blasphemies and LGBT promotion of the Anti-Catholic hate group, the Dodgers

Trump nowhere to be found in combating LGBT. Surprise, surprise. Just complaining American establishments, including the American military, sadly, under both Biden and Trump, promoted and promotes the LGBT Agenda, solves nothing. De Santis can fight it and win. The solution is Good Conservatives like him, not WokeSymps like Trump.

"Good on the thousands who showed up at Dodger Stadium to protest this anti-Catholic hate group.

The virtually empty stadium for the game itself was a powerful image – Americans are fed up with the nonsense and are fighting back."

https://twitter.com/RonDeSantis/status/1670140388684840961

“We’re hoping that the Dodgers will see the amount of Catholics and Christians showing up here today peacefully,” protestor Anthony Rodriguez told KTLA outside of the stadium. “We’re showing that we’re not budging. We’ve drawn a line in the sand and we’re putting our faith first.” https://nypost.com/2023/06/16/dodgers-sisters-of-perpetual-indulgence-event-draws-thousands-of-protesters/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 08:07, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

For the Dodger's game in question, the Dodgers recorded an attendance of 49,074, slightly higher than its league-leading average of 47,800.[5] But the attendance for the pre-game anti-Catholic group that was pro-LGBTQ was a pretty empty stadium.[6] Conservative (talk) 08:44, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Overtime, the pro-gay and pro-abortion blue states will lose electoral college votes relative to various red states because they are having a lower level of births plus many people are leaving their states to move to red states. Conservative (talk) 08:50, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Right now, the political betting websites say DeSantis has a 23% chance of winning the GOP primary while Trump has a 63.4% chance of winning the GOP primary.[7] And the website that compiles these statistics has a pretty good batting average in terms of their forecasts being right.[8] Conservative (talk) 08:55, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Nice Info, Cons. Thank you. Good to know. God Bless. Of course, I expect that 23% will increase in time as De Santis campaigns more. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 09:50, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

There's a major contradiction here: both you guys supposedly oppose the spreading of the LGBT movement, yet both you guys firmly support spreading it to Ukraine. Some might call that hypocrisy. I just call it being misinformed and misguided. Until you reconcile that difference between foreign and domestic policy, you both will be just spinning your wheels, unable to build a coalition to move forward. These posts are just flatulence. RobS^{Give Peace a chance}

Spreading the LGBT movement to Ukraine? It's already in Ukraine. Anyways, I hope a Republican wins in the 2024 presidential election and a frozen conflict or armistice is worked out and US military funding to Ukraine is cut out or at least cut down. But if the war drags on for years, I would not be surprised. Conservative (talk) 13:59, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

How did the LGBT movement get in Ukraine? Oh, that's right. With money from the Soros Open Society Foundation that Soros received from the US Agency for International Development, according to the CIA's color revolution playbook. I forgot. But never mind; interfering in another country' domestic affairs is illegal under international law, just as invading another country is supposedly illegal, as well. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:48, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Ukraine gained its independence in 1991. I suspect its Western drift likely grew after the fall of the Soviet Union and further accelerated after its independence.

I hope this clarifies things for you. Conservative (talk) 22:16, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Ukraine's Western drift was well underway when Ukrainian nationalists (whom the record will show in MPR/talk Archives that you praised as heroes a year ago) when they allied with Hitler to slaughter Jews, Russians, and Poles. When Galicia was part of the Polish, Austrian, and German Empires long before is when "Ukraine" (a misnomer) drifted to the West began. It never gave up its language, alphabet, or allegiance to the Orthodox Church. It never bent the knee to the Pope, or became Romanized under Polish hegemony; it never embraced Northen German Protestantism under the Prussian state, and never embraced Austrian Catholicism, either.) Under Clinton and the neocons however, it did begin embracing gay rights and atheism, and under Obama, with the help of the CIA, it saw a resurgence of its Russophobic Nazi past. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:04, June 20, 2023 (EDT)

De Santis channels Churchill: we will fight [the Woke] in education, in the halls of Congress

"DeSantis: As president, I'll recognize that the woke mind virus represents a war on the truth so we will wage a war on the woke. We will fight the woke in education, we will fight the woke in corporations, we will fight the woke in the halls of congress, we will never ever surrender to the woke mob ... we will leave Woke Ideology on the Dustbin of History" https://twitter.com/i/status/1665086349483835392

Churchill had said of the Nazis: "I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once more able to defend our island home, to ride out the storm of war, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone. At any rate, that is what we are going to try to do. That is the resolve of His Majesty's Government – every man of them. That is the will of Parliament and the nation. The British Empire and the French Republic, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the death their native soil, aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength.

Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender." This is what Good Leaders do. Churchill did, De Santis is doing it in Florida, and will do it across America if he is elected. And not only in America, America has more influence on NATO than any other single country. The ideology that dominates America will dominate NATO too. That's why it's so deadly if Woke Ideology dominates America but so incredibly positive for us Conservative Christians if Conservative Christian ideology is dominant, as De Santis will do. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 02:19, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Interesting Churchill quote. Too bad you don't understand it. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:51, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

"The British Empire and the French Republic, linked together in their cause". Here's a clue: As late as 2012 when the Syrian regime change operation was under way, Wikipedia literally still reported "Syria won its independence in 1941 from France when France liberated Syria from France." RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:50, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

But answering that question gets into the weeds a little bit, and how propaganda from World War II, that were lies then are lies today. Look at this fact: both the British Empire and Third French Republic were destroyed in WWII, relegated to the ash heap of history, never to arise again. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:02, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Trump has lost six points in Republican voter polls to De Santis

Boom! Give it another 2 months, especially after the 1st Republican Presidential Debate, and I predict De Santis will be ahead of Trump. https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/donald-trump-loses-6-points-in-republican-voter-polls-following-indictment-report-101687314137749.html

Also, noteworthy, De Santis beats Biden. Trump does not: "Joe Biden trails Ron DeSantis 43% to 44% at present, according to the DailyMail.com/J.L. Partners survey ...In a hypothetical general election matchup, President Joe Biden has a slight lead over Trump 48 - 44 percent among all registered voters" https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/ron-desantis-fares-better-against-joe-biden-than-donald-trump-in-2024-contest-for-white-house-poll-shows-101687136521996.html NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:18, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

For those who claim De Santis needs to wait till 2028, if he did, Trump will lose, and then maybe run again in 2028? No, De Santis 2024.NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:19, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

Yes, it's interesting how many fake polls and astroturf $100 million can buy. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:30, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

But I do wish to thank you and congratulate you on finding a news source that I would regard as more neutral and independent versus the blatant CIA & Nazi agitprop sources you've been in the habit of using. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:38, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

Trump support dips below 50% in latest poll

De Santis would almost certainly beat him in a head-to-head contest. Whether he can do so in a crowded field remains to be seen.

"In the latest poll, Trump received 47% of the vote, compared to 52% in the same poll one month prior in May.

The poll also asked respondents whether they would consider voting for a candidate or never consider voting for a candidate. Those who would consider voting for Trump remained the same at 31% from May. Those who said they would never vote for Trump went up from 16% in May to 23% in the latest poll." https://www.benzinga.com/general/politics/23/06/32937442/trump-support-dips-below-50-in-key-poll-is-an-overcrowded-field-hurting-odds-for-desantis NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 10:26, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

Why does a nationwide poll of random adults not identified as Republican primary voters matter?

Never mind. I know the answer. Propaganda, intended for brainless boobs.

A nationwide poll of random adults not identified as Republican primary voters is basically an apples and oranges argument. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:07, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

You are even ignoring the history here. It's only June 2023. In late 2015, CNN gave Trump approximately $2 billion in free airtime with fake polls to promote Trump under the theory that Trump would be the easiest GOP candidate to beat, given Hillary's baggage and the fact that she was under criminal investigation by Comey and Strozk at that time, while dedicating no airtime to Hillary's criminal investigation. We've known since Trump won in 2016 that CNN will spare no efforts in lies to defeat Trump again, as it did in the 2020 election.

Basically, if I were DeSantis and you were my campaign manager, I'd fire you for having such an openly disdainful attitude toward the stupidity of the American voter. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:18, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

How silly. It's you who would be fired. You didn't even read properly before going off on your rant: "Overall, 47% of Republicans and Republican-leaning registered voters say Trump is their first choice for the party’s nomination for president, down from 53% in a May CNN poll. Support for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis held steady at 26% in the latest poll" https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/20/politics/cnn-poll-trump-indictment-republicans-2024/index.html (1) They are Republican and Republican leaning registered voters (2) Support is down 5-6 points in the same poll (3) that too in only one month (4) so imagine 2 or 3 months from now (5) they show that Trump's support is on a downward trajectory. It's very clear you are not interested in beating the LGBT Agenda, in fact you have no clue how you would even begin go about beating it. We who do will continue to support De Santis. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 14:27, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

My apologies. You're right. It's CNN. I didn't read it. I assumed "random adults" meant "random adults". RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:40, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

Question: "random adults" would include non-voting illegal immigrants, wouldn't it? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:47, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

DeSantis Helped Conceal The Truth About Jeffrey Epstein’s Sex Crimes In Florida

Hmm, is this MPR-worthy? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:35, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

De Santis with Kayleigh McEnany on Fox

[pls leave this at the bottom of the page if possible. only the interviews, rest can go on top. thanx]

McEnany was a big time supporter of Trump last time. She's keeping her options open this time, like many others, and likes De Santis a lot.

This is a hoax:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqYkfZ4XKHs

The Anti-Woke Majority is getting stronger:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcCMKUtOkg4

It's simple. If you care about defeating Woke, De Santis is objectively the best Candidate there is. That's true on mask/vaccine mandates/Covidianism as a whole as well. "Live Free or Die", right? NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:19, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

Sundance of the Conservativetreehouse just did an interesting hit piece on DeSantis. You should read it, so at least you are prepared for what may be coming. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:28, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

I'll give it a read. Meanwhile, listen to these two interviews, this time of Trump:

"We have lost people because you supported the Jab" - Republican Voters to Trump https://twitter.com/i/status/1671600984059944960

"TRUMP: “For some reason” people don’t like the mRNA COVID shots.

Trump once again refuses to acknowledge any of the adverse effects." https://twitter.com/i/status/1671293882481483778 NishantXavier^{[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Chri}

Nah, I don't follow these day-to-day events related to 2024 presidential election politics - I don't have to - Sundance (and a few others) keep me informed. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:41, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) Trump, DeSantis, even Biden don't interest me at all viv-a-vis as being 2024 candidates at the moment. I somewhat keep on eye on Biden cause when the psychosis finally breaks, we'll be stuck with Kamala for awhile. RFK Jr I promote cause he offers an alternative to Biden (but I don't need to hang on his every word). Zelensky makes me wanna puke, even just the site of him, so I handled his whole life and career in a few days back in February 2022. I am riveted moment-by-moment on the fate of Zelensky's two top Nazi advisors, Zaluzhny & Budanov. President Xi I pay little attention to, and will have to update some content sooner or later. President Putin on the other hand, I have to pay attention to every word spoken in public - cause you cannot get it in Western mainstream media, only lies that threaten my very existence and life on this planet. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:53, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

Read your article. Very poorly argued. Take this: "The WHOLE reason DeSantis was the most popular Governor throughout his first term, was a CON; EVERY action he took as Governor, was a political calculation planned and intended to create the image of “the free State of Florida” and RDS as “Trump lite”."

Rebuttal: (1) De Santis isn't Trump lite; he is his own man, it's his contrast with Trump, e.g. his strong opposition to the LGBT Agenda, and Vaccine Mandates, that makes his candidacy so interesting; (2) De Santis is a Solid Pro-Life Conservative, he's enacted a 6 week Abortion Heartbeat Ban. (3) De Santis has Military Service, Trump does not. I could go on. The contrast between the two is very evident. We are not trying to destroy D. Trump, btw, he can continue to live in Florida, and De Santis will almost certainly pardon him if he is indicted or something. But we are clear-eyed on the need to defeat him in the Primaries in order for Anti-LGBT, 6 week pro life bills etc to become part of the National Republican Agenda. That's because De Santis and Trump represent two very different agendas of conservatism. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:45, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

"he is his own man" - No he's not. He's owned by the people who gave him $100 million for an astroturf door knocking campaign, per your own source. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:53, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

Look, I understand what's going on here. It's a generational thing. The Millennial generation is the majority now and wants to take over. We boomers went through the same thing when we had to wait for Papa Bush and Bob Dole to get out of the way (while the "Best and the Brightest" of our generation - Bill Clinton & Baby Bush carved our footprints into the sands of time).

If Trump weren't running, I'd probably be behind DeSantis 100%. They only thing is, Trump is the only candidate in about 40 years who understands the problems and what needs to be done, whereas DeSantis is part of the problems that have plagued the American political system for as long as I can remember. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:04, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

I'm a millennial, and I wouldn't back DeSantis even if Trump weren't in the race. I'd vote third party before voting for that man.--Geopolitician (talk) 22:34, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

With the release of Matt Walsh's "What is a Woman" exposing the Trans LGBT Agenda, and its huge audience of millions of viewers, following a retweet by Elon Musk, the momentum and opportunity of a lifetime is here to rise up and banish the Woke Agenda forever. De Santis did it in Florida, he can do it across America. Unfortunately, under Trump, America continued to promote LGBT policies, even pushing other nations to do so. America has vast international influence also, whether on Europe or even beyond. The ideology that dominates America will, in large measure, dominate or be influential in much of the world. That's why I'm paying attention to it, and praying God's Will be done. Let's see how it goes. The more I hear/see from De Santis, the more I like it. You can't run or be a credible candidate without being able to raise some money. But De Santis is not owned by anyone, his not backing down on Disney and being strongly anti-woke shows that. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:23, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

Now you raise some interesting and valid points. I fear tho you don't quite understand the problem. And the president is not a messiah.

• Unfortunately, under Trump, America continued to promote LGBT policies, even pushing other nations to do so. BINGO. Now, can you explain why that is so? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:32, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

Speaking of Matt Walsh: "Ep. 1183 - The Plot By LGBT Activists To Stigmatize Sanity And Normalcy" https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1671965419417264128 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:24, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

Lemme 'splain how we got here. In 1980, Ronald Reagan was the oldest person ever elected president at the age of 70 cause the boomer generation - then between 25-35 - of which there were many (why they call them boomers) and a clear majority was the generation of sex, drugs, rock n' roll. So the World War II generation wasn't ready to hand over leadership to its irresponsible children. Boomers even agreed. It was another 12 years before a boomer, then in his 40s, was elected president.

What were the first things boomers did when they took over the White House? Answer: (1) 'gays in the military'; (2) 'medical marijuana'. The rest is history.

'Gays in the military' incrementally became today's transgender movement; 'medical marijuana' incrementally became full scale drug 'decriminalization' and legalization. (A little leaven leaventh the whole lump.)

Moral of the story: Don't be peeing your pants because of the age difference and a bunch of old fuddy duddies clinging to power. Understand how we got to where gay marriage is now a constitutional, God-given right that even an elected president cannot take away. And why the United States blackmails foreign countries with sanctions as "human rights abusers" if they do not decriminalize homosexuality or allow gay marriage. Your blind support for Ukrainian fascism tells me you don't understand anything about presidential politics, or the American political process. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:18, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

transgenderism, the LGBT movement, and the repeated use of the Open Society Foundation as a valid resource to support spurious claims

NishantXavier wrote: "With the release of Matt Walsh's "What is a Woman" exposing the Trans LGBT Agenda, and its huge audience of millions of viewers, following a retweet by Elon Musk, the momentum and opportunity of a lifetime is here to rise up and banish the Woke Agenda forever."

The USA has been on an ideological course of liberalism since the 1960s which is about 60+ years. And the roots of the immoral, sexual revolution can be seen in the Sex Reform Movement in Weimar Germany (1919-1933).

Cultural changes happen slow and ideological battles are often won by events on the ground rather than debate. And it can take hundreds of years for Christianization to happen to a country. On top of this, we are seeing signs of end time behavior such as men's love growing cold, wars and rumors of wars, etc.

And Donald Trump's presidency shows that corrupt, unelected bureaucrats can thwart efforts at reform. I recently read that it can take a decade to root out political corruption in a country.

As far as anti-corruption political measures, Botswana is the leader in Africa. And I cite: "Botswana continues to be one of the top performers in the region due to a robust democratic system in which the legislative and policy frameworks have continuously been improved. The strengthening of opposition parties has allowed anti-corruption measures to be implemented, most notably the 2016 Whistleblowers Act followed by the 2019 Declaration of Assets and Liabilities Act."[9] Right now, the USA is very divided politically with close elections. The GOP is going to have to become more conservative and the Democrats are going to need to lose a lot more political power before reform measures are feasible in my opinion.

Since secular liberals/leftists have subreplacement fertility and there is backlash beginning to manifest against woke education, it could take at least a generation before any meaningful political reform occurs on a national level (See: United States, irreligion vs. religion and demographics). So in the meantime, I suspect people will keep voting with their feet and moving from blue states to red states and red counties to avoid high taxes, crime, educational indoctrination, heavy-handed government and various cultural pathologies. Conservative (talk) 03:23, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Cons: Do you pay attention to the sources you use, at all? https://www.transparency.org/en/the-organisation/who-supports-us RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:47, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

CP has well over 100 articles citing Open Society Foundations (and other groups) corruption written by multiple editors; and what do we have here, again? User:Cons citing transparenccy.org, as he has done in other Essays and articles, as supposedly some "authoritive" source on corruption - which is funded by some of the most corrupt people on the planet.

Go ahead - ignore me again. LALALA! I'm not listening! RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:31, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Fair point. On the other hand, Africa is experiencing Christianization and two anti-corruption bills were passed in Botswana (See also: Protestant cultural legacies and Christianity and social stability). Ergo, the reporting of less corruption rings true. Also, both Ukraine and Russia have a history of corruption. In other words, I do use data, common sense and often multiple sources for my articles so I am not overly dependent on any one source. Conservative (talk) 13:40, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

You use BS data to arrive at BS conclusions. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:43, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

GIGO. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:45, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

There is some additional good news. Additional political/cultural indoctrination occurs in colleges/universities and there is evidence that the college bubble is deflating faster due to high prices.[10][11] A with federal government debt rising, it is a matter of time before state governments and federal government subsidization of colleges decreases (student loans, grant money to students and colleges, etc.).

Also, Europe is leaning more and more to the political right due to immigration, high energy cost, etc. And for better or for worse, Europe has a cultural/political influence on the USA. Conservative (talk) 03:38, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Zbigniew Brzezinski's son Ambassador Mark Brzezinski leads an LGBT Pride parade in Warsaw during the Biden regime; it is illegal for one country to interfere in the sovereign domestic affairs of another country.[1] Open display of the LGBT flag in Poland is still controversial, so the US flag is substituted to represent gay rights.

You cannot cite a single supposed "right wing" or conservative government that has come to power in Europe over the past several years. Yes, Orban has been there for many years already; however in Poland, Italy, Finland, Sweden, etc etc etc - all the alleged "right wing" or "conservative" parties that have made gains or part of governing coalitions - all are in bed with globalist neocon fascists and warmongers. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:39, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

I would rather live in Poland, Italy or Finland than Russia! And Finland handled the coronavirus better than Putin/Russia. See: An observation about the countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well so far. And let's look at Finland.

And Italian food, sport cars and fashion are better than what the Russians produce! Viva Italia! See also: Why I am not bullish on Russia's future. Conservative (talk) 13:49, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) Let's examine the Polish Law and Justice party (PiS) momentarily; CP applauded Law & Justice's rise to power, its stance on immigration, it's challenging the European Union totalitarianism, etc etc. Law and Justice now has hitched its wagon to NATO and Polish and Ukrainian Nazis; the United States is pressuring Poland and the PiS to give in on LGBT rights, which it will do to keep all the NATO bases and MIC contracts. And the Polish people hate Poland's alleged "conservative" governing party now and are ready to toss it out. And if it means turning to Pro-Russia Putinism, God bless them.RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:52, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

The problem is twofold: (1) you do not understand jack about European politics; (2) your support for Ukrainian Nazism. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:55, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Biden regime DHS "Pyramid of Far-right Radicalization". The Nazi Wolfsengel of the Azov Regiment and other Nazi insignia such as the Black Sun, which the Biden regime supported with Ukraine aid, appears at the top of the pyramid. [2]

And the big problem is you spreading misinformation to American conservatives and voters about European politics - which you know nothing of and do not understand. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:58, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

The Polish possibly cozying up to authoritarian Russia/Putin after being decades under despotic, Soviet communism - total fantasy. In addition, the future is bleak for Russia. See: Why I am not bullish on Russia's future. Conservative (talk) 14:02, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

We're done talking. I'm sick of your neo-nazi views. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:04, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Godwin's law again. Not impressive. Conservative (talk) 14:15, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Might makes Right. "The US will remain the leading power for the foreseeable future" - even if it means converting the entire planet to gay rights and transgenderism.

And I'm sorry, if you do not understand the European idioms I use in political discourse, it only underscores the fact that you do not understand jack about European politics. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:19, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Your anti-Putin anti-Russian rhetoric underscores your neo-nazi brainwashing. But you call it "American patriotism". It isn't. All you do is add to the impression that American patriotism and neo-nazism are one and the same. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:23, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Stick to you specialties like Atheism and bestiality, if you are too lazy to click on "Who funds us" for tansparency.org before you start spreading BS lies and Satanic propaganda. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:41, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

RobS quoted me saying: "The US will remain the leading power for the foreseeable future". That is a prediction. A prediction is not advocacy. If I say it is going to rain heavily tomorrow at "place X" that doesn't mean that I necessarily wish it to happen. A prediction done correctly is objective.

And you vastly overestimate the power of homosexual activists. Corporate America executives are disproproportionately straight and coming out as a homosexual hurts one's chances of being a CEO. The vast majority of American and European leaders are straight as an arrow. Increasingly, Muslims are beating up homosexuals in Europe. Homosexual activists have a hard time getting people to drink Bud Light and to not boycott Target. I have one word for you in relation to homosexuality/transexualism: Backlash! I will continue to rarely think about homosexuality and it will not affect my life adversely. "Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, think about these things." - Philippians 4:8. Conservative (talk) 17:46, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

One would think that when one wakes up one day to see their views align with Adam Schiff, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, and CNN, one would give pause, and just shut up about things they don't understand or know nothing about. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:17, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Adam Schiff, Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden - they are all straight! I very much doubt that the Democrats will ever have a homosexual win a presidential primary - especially with many blacks having antipathy towards homosexuality. It's similar to George Orwell's book Animal Farm where "some animals are more equal than others". Conservative (talk) 18:27, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Have you ever had a reading comprehension test? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:33, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

While I am for legislators and parents opposing homosexuality indoctrination, etc., what I object to is you taking someone's anti-homosexuality views to absurd levels as far as supporting someone - namely the lionizing of corrupt and authoritarian Putin due to his anti-homosexuality views. The Soviet Union, Castro's Cuba, Maoist China and the current Chinese communists - all against homosexuality (See: Atheistic communism and homosexuality). And I would live in the USA rather than live in a godless communist state any day of the week. Conservative (talk) 18:50, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

If you call Putin a communist, don't be surprised if you get called a Nazi.

That is what you don't understand about European politics. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:05, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

You claim to be the supposed expert on the European right. America's Empire of Evil: Hitler's Posthumous Victory, and Why the Social Sciences Need to Change Kindle Edition, by Eric Zuesse (Author). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:09, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Back to DeSantis

Just passing through. Will be back shortly to comment and respond. Couple of tweets that caught my eye:

"“Evangelicals are uniting behind Ron DeSantis because they know the governor’s policies and family values are in line with their own beliefs,” DeSantis talks about being Catholic as he courts evangelicals https://news.yahoo.com/desantis-talks-being-catholic-courts-113000042.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw&tsrc=twtr https://twitter.com/quirk_kay/status/1672237801281134592

"I’ve noticed a big drop in the amount of attacks on DeSantis from the Trump influencer crowd since the indictment. It’s almost as if they realize they’re going to have to pivot whether they want to or not." https://twitter.com/Chris_Opines/status/1672264804634083328 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 15:23, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Cons wrote: "NishantXavier wrote: "With the release of Matt Walsh's "What is a Woman" exposing the Trans LGBT Agenda, and its huge audience of millions of viewers, following a retweet by Elon Musk, the momentum and opportunity of a lifetime is here to rise up and banish the Woke Agenda forever." -- The USA has been on an ideological course of liberalism since the 1960s which is about 60+ years. And the roots of the immoral, sexual revolution can be seen in the Sex Reform Movement in Weimar Germany (1919-1933)."

Yes, agreed. But the history of the immorality is not the main issue imo. The main issue is how we're going to stop it in the future.

Even Rob agrees with us that this is a problem. Above, near the image, he wrote: "Zbigniew Brzezinski's son Ambassador Mark Brzezinski leads an LGBT Pride parade in Warsaw during the Biden regime; it is illegal for one country to interfere in the sovereign domestic affairs of another country.[5] Open display of the LGBT flag in Poland is still controversial, so the US flag is substituted to represent gay rights."

Yes, so it's a big problem. But the question is not so much the past or the problem. The two issues are (1) the future and (2) solution.

A President must be a moral man who understands the importance of faith, family and marriage. De Santis does this very well. He must also understand the importance of fighting the Woke Mob, and also must not use the power of government to promote immorality. Biden does promote that immorality, and Trump was unable to stop it. The question is, do we really want to stop the Woke LGBT Mob, or just complain about it, Rob? If you really want to stop it, and God will bless that since it's surely His Will to stop it too, then we need to wholeheartedly campaign for or support Strong Conservative Anti-Woke Candidates starting right now. The only credible Anti-Woke Candidate, with almost a perfect history of fighting wokism and winning, and one with a real chance of winning the election, is Ron De Santis.

It's that simple. We can't control what others do, but we are responsible for our own action or inaction. Strong momentum is building up behind the De Santis campaign. I intend to continue following that and also engaging in political action/activism to promote that buildup.

Also, see this: "Social conservatism is on the rise. Maybe DeSantis is on to something with anti-'woke' fight. A new poll from Gallup found that 38% of Americans say they are conservative or very conservative on social issues – a nearly 30% increase since 2021. Those identifying as liberals declined." https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2023/06/15/americans-more-conservative-liberal-social-issues/70320558007/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:02, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Beside the above, can you just imagine how America would look like in 4 years after a De Santis Presidency? It would be one of the most conservative nations on the planet, at least judicially. One of the things Trump did do well is appoint good judges - that's one of the major powers of the presidency. De Santis has pledged to do even better, and that is a credible promise: "Ron DeSantis vows to pick more conservative judges than Trump: ‘We’ll do better’ Trump's three picks for the Supreme Court helped overturn Roe v. Wade. But the Florida governor says he would do better for conservatives if elected to the White House." https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/ron-desantis-vows-pick-conservative-judges-trump-rcna89849 Victory belongs to those who dream and work - and pray, of course.NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:04, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

It's more a function of the make up of the US Senate. If the Senate remains Democrat, a GOP president must make compromises and deals with Democrat Senators to get one single judge confirmed. Even at that, his first choice of a conservative judge will never be confirmed. The appointment is basically a compromise candidate chosen by the Democrats. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:16, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

So a President must do all this: he must appoint pro-life and anti-woke judges, must fight wokism in the military etc, beside governing. And De Santis has an excellent record on pure governance also, including those budget surpluses he ran up in Florida I mentioned earlier, while Trump unfortunately grew the national debt by nearly 8 TN in one term (after promising to end it in 2 terms). It was not credible. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:06, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Latest reports are DeSantis remains pro-Nazi pro-Ukraine pro-LGBT tool of globalist neocon donors. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:10, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

De Santis at faith and freedom: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/watch-live-ron-desantis-faith-freedom-conference NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:11, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Make up your mind? Is being Anti-Woke Anti-Nazi or Pro-Nazi? It can't be both. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:12, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Wokeness is not the main issue - it's just a tool used by globalists, as Nazism is, to destroy social mores put forth by globalists for their control of a population. 16:19, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Pro-Woke, pro-War, pro-NATO, pro-Nazi, pro-Ukraine, pro-Zelensky, pro-LGBT, pro-MIC, pro-globalism, pro-WEF, pro-neocon are all the same thing. DeSantis refuses to condemn the war and vow to get out, cause he's a neocon. This is proven by his support for war with China over Taiwan when he tries to pivot from questions on Ukraine. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:33, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

But you'll have to excuse me, I'm not going to go overboard in trash talking DeSantis. I do not like his financial backers, period, who are sowing this division in the GOP. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:38, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Speaking of "Road to Majority" (The Washington Examiner link), the way to do that is unite (1) Evangelicals and (2) Catholics, as De Santis is already doing. Evangelicals are around 90 MN: "Wheaton College's Institute for the Study of American Evangelicals estimates that about 30 to 35% (90 to 100 million people) of the U.S. population is evangelical." Catholics around 50 Million. "There are roughly 51 million Catholic adults in the U.S., accounting for about one-fifth of the total U.S. adult population, according to Pew Research Center's 2014 Religious Landscape Study." Even getting roughly 2/3rd of Evangelical and Catholic Christians should be enough to win the Presidency. It's time to build a Moral Majority, a Conservative Coalition founded on Solid Pro-Life, Anti-Woke, Good Governance Values. De Santis 2024. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:15, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Actually, it's higher, as I thought I recalled: "There were 70,412,021 registered Catholics in the United States (22% of the US population) in 2017, according to the American bishops' count" 70 Million Catholics. Conservatives should target religious voters by promoting and credibly promising to promote sound pro-family, pro-life, pro-marriage values. It's right, and it's a winning strategy. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:17, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Those stats mean nothing so long as the ballot box can be stuffed, as we have seen (as well as a controlled media and corrupt federal law enforcement against anyone who challenges them). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:22, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Election Security is a Legitimate Concern and De Santis is about the only one to have done something about it: "Gov. Ron DeSantis touted election reforms enacted during his administration ... On Thursday, he announced that they had charged 20 people with voter fraud." https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/gov-desantis-announces-new-office-of-election-security-has-made-20-arrests-for-voter-fraud/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:33, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

See also: "“Twenty years ago, nobody thought Florida was a prime example of how to conduct elections, but we have become a national leader by running the most secure elections in the country,” said Governor Ron DeSantis. “We need to do more to ensure our elections remain secure. We have ended ballot harvesting, stopped drop boxes and the mass mailing of ballots, and banned Zuckerbucks, and this bill will give us more resources to make sure bad actors are held accountable.” " https://www.flgov.com/2022/04/25/governor-ron-desantis-signs-bill-to-strengthen-floridas-election-integrity/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:34, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

God love him for all that, it's his bid now that's a bit premature. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:40, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

We will agree to disagree for now. I think what many Christians, both Catholic and Evangelical were looking for in Donald Duck, they've found in Ronald De Santis. "My take after interviewing RonDeSantis in Tallahassee: VERY presidential; loads of depth on virtually any topic including theology and a very no-nonsense approach to fighting The Left. His answer about having that PERSONAL relationship with God was fascinating considering you typically don’t get that type of answer and language among traditional Roman Catholics. Anecdotally, I can tell you this: there are quite a few evangelicals who have come up to me recently saying they LOVE DeSantis and are looking at him over Trump. Take it for what it’s worth." https://twitter.com/DBrodyReports/status/1670110498455519240 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:27, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

NishantXavier, there is a movie/documentary entitled A Nation Adrift. It quotes a a legal scholar who wrote extensively on homosexuality (Watch the last 15 minutes of the film/documentary.). The legal scholar indicated that once roots are developed in a society relative to being friendly to homosexuality via the law/etc, historically it has been difficult to uproot it. Should Jesus tarry, since secular liberals/leftists have subreplacement levels of fertility and have begun to have less power in the schools, I suspect conservatives will eventually win the culture war due to their superior fertility rates so it would be easier to change the laws in various jurisdictions relative to homosexuality/transexualism (It is already happening in some red states.). On the other hand, the Bible says in the end times, men's love will grow cold, etc. etc. so maybe wickedness could zoom upward. Conservative (talk) 18:21, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Yes, we cannot assume Our Lord Jesus Christ will come when we want Him to - He will come back in His own good time, it could be 5 years, 10 years, 15 years, 50 years, or any other time, known to Him alone. We must fight and we must think long term. I like the point about birth rates and fertility, and agree with it. Let the left abort itself into oblivion, and promote non-procreative abnormalities like homosexuality. Conservatives must continue with our pro-marriage, pro-family, pro-children, pro-life lifestyle. But we must also Evangelize and be engaged in Political Action imho. Good Judges Matter. Good Courts Matter. Non-Woke Military Matters. etc. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:58, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Cons just said above, "you vastly overestimate the power of homosexual activists."

Nishant, pay no attention; he likes to just blather on about nothing. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:24, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, I also wrote above: "While I am for legislators and parents opposing homosexuality indoctrination, etc., what I object to is you taking someone's anti-homosexuality views to absurd levels as far as supporting someone - namely the lionizing of corrupt and authoritarian Putin due to his anti-homosexuality views. The Soviet Union, Castro's Cuba, Maoist China and the current Chinese communists - all against homosexuality (See: Atheistic communism and homosexuality). And I would live in the USA rather than live in a godless communist state any day of the week." Conservative (talk) 18:53, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

LALALA! Not listening! LALALA! RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:14, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

De Santis shines at Faith and Freedom Coalition highlighting his Record and Accomplishments and Promising much more in the Future

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis led a robust field of 2024 Republican presidential hopefuls descending upon Washington on Friday for one of the first multi-candidate cattle calls of the primary cycle, with their positions on abortion receiving prime attention.

DeSantis, who closed out the first day’s candidate speeches, received headliner treatment during the two-day event, with his remarks preceded by a hype video and an introductory speaker to preface his roughly 40-minute remarks. The Florida governor highlighted what he views as his administration’s accomplishments, including imposing new abortion restrictions in the wake of the overturning of Roe v. Wade.

"We have also delivered in Florida on promoting a culture of life and that means signing the heartbeat bill into law that protects unborn children when there's a detectable heartbeat," DeSantis told the conference Friday.

DeSantis touched on cultural issues more broadly, calling on fellow conservatives to "proudly put on the full armor of God" to "restore sanity to this nation."

In April, the Florida governor signed a six-week abortion ban into law, replacing the state’s prior 15-week ban and codifying one of the nation’s most restrictive bans." https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2024-gop-candidates-address-abortion-faith-freedom-coalition/story?id=100319250 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 08:48, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

These postings really belong in the Conservapedia:Community Portal, being that they do not relocate to MPR news. Thanks. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:59, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Boom: And so it begins. De Santis stronger than Trump in Swing States. De Santis beats Biden, Trump loses to him.

A Vote for Trump in the Primaries is a Vote for Biden in the General. A Vote for Candidate De Santis in the Primaries instead is one for a President De Santis in the General. See below

"Arecent poll shows support for Ron DeSantis as the Republican candidate in the 2024 presidential election is stronger than support for Donald Trump in key swing states, with the Florida governor predicted to be able to defeat Joe Biden there in 2024—unlike the embattled former president.

The poll, conducted by Public Opinion Strategies and released on June 20, shows DeSantis beating President Biden in Pennsylvania, Arizona, and Georgia, with 47, 46 and 48 percent of the vote against the president's estimated 45, 40, and 45 percent, respectively, in each state.

Trump, according to the same poll, would be defeated by Biden in all three states when voters were presented with hypothetical presidential election match-ups." https://www.newsweek.com/poll-desantis-trump-stronger-swing-states-1808469 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:04, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

You're a day late and a dollar short: we already read about how DeSantis is buying fake polls with his $100 million. You need to do better at the art of persuasion (unless your target market is people with an IQ below 86). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:08, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

No, he isn't buying any fake poll. He is investing in a door-knocking Army, you know, the kind you have to have to win the Primary and the General. And it shows he takes running and winning seriously, just like he's always taken administrative compentence and governing seriously. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:12, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Moderna and child mutilation lobbyist Marc Lampkin confronted at DeSantis fundraiser

Needs no editorial comment. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:04, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Tide continues to turn in De Santis' favor over Trump

Being Pro-LGBT is not Conservative. Trump called himself "the most pro gay president in history", ergo he's not Conservative on that issue. Now, Fiscal Conservatism is one thing, Social Conservatism is another. But since Donald Duck Trump increased the debt by 8 TN, even his fiscal conservative Credentials are in doubt. But leaving all that aside, there's no doubt, De Santis, is both Social and Fiscal Conservative. Running record budget SURPLUSES in Florida, and not being afraid to take on Woke-Child-Corrupting-Disney at the same time.

"GREENVILLE, S.C. — Standing outside an auditorium where Ron DeSantis drew more than 1,500 people this month, Dolores McManus explained why she’s supporting him for president — bringing up a TikTok video making the rounds on conservative media that shows a “fairy godmother’s apprentice” wearing a purple gown, blue eye shadow and a mustache and welcoming a young girl to Disneyland. A Fox News host dubbed the employee “Cinderfella.”

“It’s horrible,” said McManus, 76, who fretted about the shifting ideas of gender awaiting her great-grandchildren. “It’s not the world that I grew up in.” She liked that DeSantis took aim at Disney after it opposed the limits he enacted on discussions of gender and sexual orientation in schools and argued he’s better suited than Donald Trump — whom she calls “too crass” — to carry a conservative agenda forward.

“We need somebody that is a little more tame but yet is willing to go and do what’s right for the country,” McManus said, whether or not “other people think it’s wrong.” NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 15:20, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

You're being redundant again. We all heard Trump say that about himself years ago, and we thank you and DeSantis for reminding us now. To keep reposting it is redundant and insulting. Thank you. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:26, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

USA Today: Increasing Number are Socially Conservative, De Santis fighting for them

"A new poll from Gallup found that 38% of Americans say they are conservative or very conservative on social issues – a nearly 30% increase since 2021. It’s the highest percentage claiming to be socially conservative since 2012 ...

Gallup also found that 69% of Americans believe transgender athletes “should only be allowed to compete on sports teams that conform with their birth gender” – up from 62% in 2021. Similarly, fewer people (26%) support transgender athletes playing on teams that align with their gender identity – down from 34% ...

Take, for instance, California, the breeding ground for some of the worst Democratic ideas. Legislation in that state would insert whether parents are affirming their child’s chosen gender into custody disputes. The same goes for foster parents, who would be expected to affirm the child’s gender of choice.

A bill sponsor offered the example of a child as young as 7 as needing gender identity affirmation from foster parents.

That’s absurd. And it’s only a matter of time before such policies would expand to all parents.

This is the kind of extremism that governors like DeSantis are fighting, and a growing number of Americans are on their side."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2023/06/15/americans-more-conservative-liberal-social-issues/70320558007/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 15:43, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Some surprising stats in this poll. Gen Z is the most pro-life generation ever. 55% believe 6 week heartbeat bills are "just right" or "too lenient"! 45% that they are too restrictive

This is from some time ago, but quite amazing. It shows that Heartbeat Bills are still fairly popular and certainly not damaging or devastating to conservatives or anything like that. De Santis signed one in Florida. Christians and Conservatives should work together with non-Christians and liberals to form a Compassionate Conservative Consensus (ideally 6 weeks or better) on Abortion, focused on (1) saving as many Babies' Lives as possible (2) helping as many Women/Mothers as possible. I would love if they commit to 6 weeks.

The below shows that, contrary to political correctness and conventional wisdom, it need not even be politically damaging to do so.

"More than half of registered voters believe that laws banning abortion after the sixth week of pregnancy are not too restrictive, according to a new Hill-HarrisX survey.

The May 10-11 poll found that 21 percent of registered voters said that such abortion bans are “too lenient” while 34 percent said they believe they are “just right.”

Forty-five percent of respondents said they believe the laws are “too restrictive.”

Proponents of abortion rights have mounted legal challenges to new regulations passed by a number of states, but the Hill-Harris poll shows that in the court of public opinion, the laws do not currently appear to have sparked majority opposition."

From: https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/443879-poll-majority-of-voters-think-6-week-abortion-bans-arent-too/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 00:33, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

"The answers that Trump gave on abortion have roiled some members of the conservative Christian community.

Bob Vander Plaats, president and CEO of the Iowa-based Family Leader organization, tweeted out on Monday that the Iowa caucuses were “wide open” in the aftermath of Trump’s comments that the six-week ban may be too harsh. Vander Plaats recently traveled to Florida to meet with DeSantis and his wife, Casey DeSantis.

John Stemberger, who is president of the Florida Family Policy Council and a long-time anti-abortion advocate in the state, added on Twitter that “I can tell you that I personally know every major leader in the pro-life movement in the country and not a single one of them would agree with this statement.” https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/16/desantis-trump-florida-six-week-abortion-ban-00097154 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 00:55, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Understanding diplomatic protocol - Blinken does not represent the United States

In this photo, Blinken meets with MBS in Saudi Arabia. The absence of the American flag signifies that this meeting was held outside any official prearranged or scheduled meeting. It was held at the personal request of Blinken on short notice to Saudi Arabia, which the Saudis acquiesced to without any formal understanding or prearranged agenda about the purpose of the meeting.

The meeting was probably requested to ask for a favor or deliver a threat. In either case, Saudi Arabia does not recognize the request or threat as coming from the United States government, but rather from Blinken personally or the people he purports to represent. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:59, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Blinken had to allow the photograph cause his every move is followed by a contingent of the Washington Press Corps, unlike the CIA chief, who can sneak off for a secret meeting anywhere in the world at anytime, which may or may not ever become public knowledge. Additionally, for those who like to get into the weeds, the fact this message or threat was delivered by Blinken signifies a (potential) rift between the CIA and State Department on policy matters (which shows the smart thinking and justification of Saudi Arabia in not recognizing the meeting in an official capacity. Basically, Saudi Arabia is saying to the Biden White House and Blinken State Department, "Hey, you guys might not be around 2 years from now, so we'll listen to your BS and think about it.")

Additionally, the meeting may have been requested simply to request a series of future meetings between various contacts on both sides - outside regular US government and State Department channels. The Washington Press Corps that covers all this backstairs global politicking never or seldom bothers to explain any of that to you. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:44, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

This was just brilliant; Blinken patches up relations between China and the US 3 days ago so the US can concentrate on Ukraine, and Biden pulls the rug out from under Blinken today. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:54, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

Let's look at this classic line of CIA/MSM BS for a moment:

Blinken “emphasized the importance of maintaining open channels of communication across the full range of issues to reduce the risk of miscalculation”

Oh really? Neglecting to tell you the US & China do not have a "hotline" like the US & Russia have had since the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis so there's not an accidental firing of nukes when the next Chinese probe of US air defenses enters US airspace. Or that China is not now, nor ever has been, party to any nuclear or conventional arms limitation treaties that both the US & Russia have torn up in recent years. But I'm sure in the current environment of US regime change and color revolution operations around the world, the Chinese would be thrilled to participate in talks. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:39, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

So the indictment of a socialist agitator is equivalent to the deaths of 2,403 Americans?

‘This day will go down in infamy’: Trump rages in post-arraignment speech Wow, Trump being indicted is just like the Attack on Pearl Harbor that resulted in over two thousand American deaths, and also is like the crucifixion of Jesus Christ? Trumpism is no longer a legitimate conservative political movement (if it ever was "conservative"); it's a socialist cult of antichrists. —LT ^{Smash Ukrofascism!} Wednesday, 12:16, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

Robert Barnes vs Constitution killer Jack Smith. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:54, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

Blah blah, I get it, the indictment was unconstitutional and unjust. I have no sympathy for a Sozi like Trump if he unabashedly makes these outlandish comparisons. One day he'll stand condemned at Final Judgment for his egregious unrepentant transgressions. —LT ^{Smash Ukrofascism!} Wednesday, 13:16, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

The Duran: AfD rises to match SPD in latest polls. Green collapse

[12] Take off your ideological blinders. Germany is waking up to the threat America and Germany's continued membership in NATO is to its existence. Support for the opposition "conservative" Christian Democratic Union, and the globalist warmongering Green Party collapses. A coalition between the allegedly "anti-immigrant, far right" Alternative for Germany party, and the former East German Communist Party Die Linke or the "The Left" is the only hope for Germany to defeat the Social Democratic Party, that along with Biden and NATO has destroyed Germany's economy, industry, and prosperity with Russia sanctions. Stop trash talking communism and 'the left", for now. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:16, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

"Stop trash talking communism" That's where I completely disagree. Communism, along with fascism, needs to be smashed, as deserves all forms of socialism. Ukronazism is just as socialist as Communism. —LT ^{Smash Ukrofascism!} Wednesday, 13:18, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

The German "far right" (as the media calls them) are uniting with the German "far left" to defeat Globohomo and fascism. Ironic, the "fascists" (as the global MSM likes to call them) are uniting with the communists to save Western civilization from the atheists and globalists. You need a change of perspective. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:59, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

Aha, see what's going on here? Satan is using the blatant evils of the establishment globalists, the thesis, to raise up a new united front as "antithesis." People will disregard the insidious evils of the AFD and the Communists simply because it's the lesser of two evils, and that new order will be part of the new globalist order, the New World Order, establishing the beast system. Just as in Germany, so too is it fomenting in the United States. —LT ^{Smash Ukrofascism!} Wednesday, 14:04, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, so Satan in running both sides of the spectrum, the globohomo side and the anti-elite, anti-establishment coalition of commies & and so-called "fascists" on the right. Right? or are there clearly defined good guys and bad guys, the status quo of the NWO globohomo network vs those who rebel against it? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:09, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

Yes, Satan controls both sides, the establishment globalists as well as the anti-establishment, antiwar syncretic coalition. The devil uses the former as a means to swing control of the world towards the latter, which he will use to institute the beast system. —LT ^{Smash Ukrofascism!} Wednesday, 14:17, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

Ambrose Bierce: definition of a "non-combatant" is a "dead Quaker". RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:15, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

Col. Doug MacGregor in ''The American Conservative:

In Europe, the economic picture is grim, and European populations, especially the German people, are turning against Washington’s proxy war. The newest polls now place the Alternative for Germany (AFD) Party as the second-largest political force in German politics. Given P.M. Olaf Scholz’s suicidal policies of de-industrializing Germany and opening Germany’s borders to still more unwanted and unaffordable refugees and migrants, perhaps the AFD can put together a “coalition of the rational” to remove Scholz and negotiate with Moscow?

"coalition of the rational" leaves only Die Linke. The two major establishment parties, the CDU and SPD, and the warmongering climate change activist greenie weenies, have all gone full globohomo. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:15, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

In plain English: American conservatives need to support the German coalition of (what the globalist MSM will call) the union of the "alt-right neo-Nazi AfD and the former East German Communist Party Die Linke," to remove Scholz, end the war, and negotiate with Moscow (or alternatively, remove Scholz, negotiate with Moscow, and end the war) - at least until that main objective is accomplished. There is no other option. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:33, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

What happens when the syncretic "far-right"/far-left coalition takes over in the Germany, as in the U.S.? Well, the "far-right" side will demand that society return to "Christian morality," and start declaring, "we need to keep Sunday holy." The far-left will oblige because Sunday rest means "less consumption to fight climate change." That's how the Sunday law will come about, constituting the mark of the beast. Your "there is no other option" statement perfectly demonstrates the inevitability of the Antichrist beast system. The devil says, "let's all come together in one great ecumenical party," while the Lord says, "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." (Rev. 18:4) —LT ^{Smash Ukrofascism!} Wednesday, 19:07, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

Nah nah nah, take your ideological blinders off. The idea to get rid of Scholz, make peace, and put the globalist fascists in their place. After that, you can return to partisan bickering and nonsense. There's no social agenda attached to the coalition. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:15, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

You trust the assuring blather of Communists. I trust the word of the God of the Bible. —LT ^{Smash Ukrofascism!} Wednesday, 19:17, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

The coalition won't last as long as you imagine. Read User:RobSmith/Transcript of Sahra Wagenknecht speech in Berlin, Feb 26, 2023. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:20, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

It's representative of a larger theme: syncretism. Satan is preparing to unify all his forces behind the soon-to-come International Sunday Law instituted by the pseudo–religious right in Christian Nationalist ranks who ride the wave to power on the current antiwar coalition. "These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast." (Rev. 17:13) —LT ^{Smash Ukrofascism!} Wednesday, 19:28, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

ehhh, you just don't understand how coalition politics works. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:33, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

The American system and a European style parliamentary system are very very different. America has two institutionalized, establishment parties. In a a parliamentary system, which is much quicker to respond to a crisis with snap elections, can form a party for a single-issue cause for one election cycle, like the Brexit party, that dissolves after the objective is met. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:37, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

Fair enough, the German syncretic coalition will dissolve. After all, it's the American antiwar coalition that will end up instituting the mark of the beast (Rev. 13:12), since the United States is the False Prophet of Revelation. —LT ^{Smash Ukrofascism!} Wednesday, 19:41, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

The way this will likely play out is, Die Linke (The Left), the original founders of the real Antifa, will lead a coalition with support of supposed "alt-right" AfD voters (or vice versa). So of course all the American warmongering neocons will be quick to jump on it and attack it (largely for fear of the same thing happening here, the MAGA movement joining forces with leftwing peaceniks to oust Biden and the warmongers). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:46, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

IOWs, Die Linke, the former East German Communist Party, and relatively new AfD, have never headed the government of united Germany. So there will be lots of criticism domestically and from abroad (NATO, US, and EU warmongers, etc). "This is what democracy looks like". RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:53, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

Yes, and as the MAGA movement rides the wave on the syncretic coalition here in the U.S. and kicks out the globalists, they'll demand a National Sunday Law to facilitate a "return to Christian morality," which will spread internationally. —LT ^{Smash Ukrofascism!} Wednesday, 19:48, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

You're thinking of a longterm, institutionalized coalition, and not a short-term marriage of convenience, like Churchill and Stalin linking up to oust Hitler. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:56, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

AfD party: GERMAN ALTERNATIVE POLITICAL PARTY LEADER TILLSCHNEIDER: "U.S. BLEW UP NORDSTREAM, WE ALL KNOW"=. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:33, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

Mike Gallagher: China-Taiwan War likely much sooner than 2027

"TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — An armed conflict between Taiwan and China might break out much sooner than 2027, senior United States Congress member Mike Gallagher said in an interview published by Nikkei Asia on Friday (June 16).

With China sending military aircraft and ships close to Taiwan on an almost daily basis, fears have increased that Beijing might be preparing for armed confrontation. Over the past year, U.S. officials and politicians have sometimes mentioned various possible timelines for such an event.

Gallagher, who chairs the House of Representatives Select Committee on China, also said current efforts by the U.S. to talk to China might backfire. Secretary of State Antony Blinken was scheduled to visit Beijing June 18-19 as the highest-ranking U.S. official to travel there since the Biden Administration took office.

Gallagher said the region had already entered an extremely dangerous period, adding that he believed 2027 may not be the start, but the end, of that period. China’s communist leadership is facing a range of serious issues, including an economic slowdown and a population decline, which might lead it to take risky actions, Gallagher said.

Gallagher expressed pessimism about U.S. efforts to improve relations with Beijing. He also criticized the European Union for only being interested in managing risk in their relationship with China, adding that only disengagement will work in countering potential Chinese dominance in strategic materials.

The lawmaker also reiterated concerns about the pace of producing and delivering weapons to Taiwan, noting that arms from the U.S. are needed to help Taiwan maintain a credible deterrent against Chinese interference." https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4921084

War with China is coming. It's in everybody's interest (except Putin's) that Ukraine has already won by then, and Russia has begun the process to a democratic transition with any other leader than him. If Taiwan is well armed, and Ukraine resoundingly wins, there's a slight probability China could be deterred; but more likely, it will also invade Taiwan, and Taiwan will become the Ukraine of Asia, or Ukraine 2.0. Being well prepared in advance with strong deterrence is necessary. As George Washington said: "To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace." NATO should be well prepared and ready to pivot to Commie China as the major long-term threat. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 14:22, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

You're right about one thing, Nishant. Taiwan certainly is the East Asian equivalent of Ukraine. Which is exactly why more and more conservatives are renouncing their support of it as time goes on.--Geopolitician (talk) 14:18, June 20, 2023 (EDT)

God save us from these nutcases who push lies. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:52, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Update: Tony Blinken From Mainland China “We Do Not Support Taiwan Independence”'.

Two questions:

(1) Is it legal under international law to funnel weapons to a breakaway province that the US government does not support?

(2) Why do these warmongers warmonger?

And a third question:

Why do conservatives allow themselves to be brainwashed and repeat the lies of fascists? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:34, June 20, 2023 (EDT)

Using the U.S. military to directly fight cartels—necessary action or neocon agitation?

More Republicans want to take the fight to Mexico’s cartels. Experts say it’s a bad idea. The desire to crush the cartel monsters responsible for the deaths and misery of thousands upon thousands of innocent lives is relatable for anyone with a remaining conscience, though I find it precarious that the leaders of this proposal are the typical warmongering Republicans... there's something to this puzzle I'm not yet grasping. —LT ^{Smash Ukrofascism!} Sunday, 23:22, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

If the US spent a fraction of the time, money, and effort building up Mexico's capabilities that is spent on the Afghan National Army or the AFU, we'd have a 20 year head start. But it's misplaced priorities for a variety of factors.

As the US gets knocked off its globalist pedestal in coming years with its defeats in Afghanistan and Ukraine and becomes a regional hegemon rather than global, it may come to playing bully in our own neighborhood rather than around the world. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:05, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Vision for One Billion Soul Harvest by 2030/2033

Jesus Christ 2033 Ministries, and many other Christian Ministries, are planning/aiming/praying for a Billion Soul Harvest by 2030/2033. Satan is trying to stop all this with his Unjust Wars. Satan is so afraid of what's going to happen with it. That's the spiritual battle going on here, which some unfortunately cannot see.

"Billion Soul Harvest A couple weeks ago, I was able to attend “Billion Soul Harvest”, a gathering of international prayer and missions movement leaders in Colorado Springs. It was an incredible honor to be included in a group of leaders from all six continents who are deeply committed to fulfilling Jesus’ words in Matthew 24:14—that the gospel of the Kingdom would be declared to every people group before His Return.

Here is a brief summary of what I took away from dozens of presentations and one-on-one conversations:

1) Unity is growing among Prayer and Missions Movements

I think we’ve all experienced situations in the church where people are focused on advancing their organization, not the Kingdom of God. There may have been a time in the church when this was normal. However, it is becoming more and more rare to run into people who are thinking this way, especially among global prayer and missions movements. In fact, these global networks are partnering together as never before! One Ethiopian leader of a large missions network (GACX) described how people used to join their network thinking “what does my organization get out of it?” Now, he says, groups that join are asking instead “how can we help?” Without a doubt we are seeing unprecedented collaboration around missions in the global body of Christ.

2) The task of Bible Translation will be finished in 10 years

One area where this global collaboration is expressed is Bible Translation. The major networks focused on translating the Bible are now all working together. At the current pace, every language in the world will have at least a New Testament in their language in 10 years. Once again, this has never happened before.

3) Every “Ethne” may be reached by 2033

A number of mission leaders put out the dates of 2030 or 2033 as possible moments when we may be able to declare that “every ethnic group” has been reached with the gospel. This would be right around the 2,000 year anniversary of Jesus’ death, resurrection, ascension, and the birth of the Church. That would truly be an amazing 2,000 year anniversary gift to the Lord! The Joshua Project estimates that 3.33 Billion people are still unreached. However, the gospel is exploding in places where it has never gone before, places like Indonesia, China, Iran, India, and the Middle East and so 20 or even 10 years may be enough time for every ethnic group to hear the good news!"

https://www.10days.net/blog/billion-soul-harvest NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:58, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

You might be interested in this organization: VisionSynergy helps Christian organizations work together for maximum impact by developing and strengthening strategic ministry networks and partnerships in critical areas of world mission. We play a unique role in the worldwide Christian movement as one of the few mission service organizations specifically dedicated to empowering ministry collaboration. Conservative (talk) 19:23, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

You also might be interested in this: Christianity's flourishing expansion threatens China: 'Gates of hell shall not prevail,' says theologian. Conservative (talk) 19:30, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Thank you. Looks good. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 02:52, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

Hunter's sweetheart plea

After you've arrested your principle election opponent, it is time to stop pretending that you care about fair elections or good government. At any rate, that seems to be Joe Biden's thinking. A sweetheart plea for Hunter will help Trump win the Republican nomination. From Joe's point of view, its a win-win all the way around. See "The Intentionally Provocative Hunter Biden Plea Deal." PeterKa (talk) 23:30, June 20, 2023 (EDT)

Wow. Two misdemeanors. It's like they're tossing the dog a bone. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 03:58, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

But how can the plea be a problem? Both the prosecutor and the judge overseeing the case were appointment by Trump, the smartest man in the room who only hires the best.--LSimons (talk) 18:33, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

It's not a problem. You can steal $20 million and get away with a misdemeanor conviction without spending a day in jail. America! What a country! RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:50, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

Hunter Biden stole $20 million? According to who? --LSimons (talk) 22:46, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

That's a good question - whether a bribe is theft, or whether unreported income or a false tax return is theft. Of course, we don't know, and may never know. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:54, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

Spiro Agnew for example, was not convicted of bribery, just not reporting the bribes as income. Biden may have reported the bribes as income, but lied about the source of the income, which then becomes just filing a false return instead of tax evasion. Biden was just convicted of filing a late return cause he evidently needed more time to figure out how to hide the income. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:59, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

Pity; Hunter could have avoided all the trouble if he just filed Form 4868 Application for Extension of Time to File. I guess it only shows he wasn't getting any professional tax advice, and only filed when the media heat came down on him to avoid more severe penalties. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:05, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

You just pulled the $20 million figure out of thin air? Really? Why not $100 mil? No evidence of brides? Your accusation came from the same source? Hiding income? Evidence? What am I saying? Of course, you have absolutely no evidence for all of the imagined crimes. Kind of like how certain GOP Congressmen are going on and on about missing or dead witnesses that can prove the Bidens should be locked up forever. Based on all the unchained rhetoric coming out of the mouths of Biden critics, you’d think a Trump appointed prosecutor, Trump only hired the best, would be able to bring charges that satisfied the raving mob. [13] --LSimons (talk) 10:28, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

I got $20 million from Comer, who said maybe $20 or $30 million when the question was asked if it was $5 or $10 million. So I compromised with the lesser of $20 million (per MPR). His guilty plea doesn't absolve him from prosecution on tax evasion, filing a false return, money laundering, or conspiracy charges.

You must not be from the US (not that I'm being critical or mocking), cause you're the first and only human being I've spoken to who would defend Hunter Biden. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:37, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

The IRS incidentally, an Executive branch agency, has its own Tax Court with administrative law judges, and is divided into civil and criminal divisions. I haven't been following this prosecution closely, but apparently it was Merrick Garland who ordered the DOJ to bring some charges in response to negative publicity just so they can refute the charge that they weren't doing anything at all. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:59, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

You’re getting information from Comer? The guy who claims his anonymous and nonexistent witness is missing? Come on! You can do better than that! I’m American, born and raised. I’m the first person you’ve spoken to that has defended Hunter Biden? You need to get out more and broaden your circle of acquaintances. Why are you making groundless speculation about Garland? A Trump appointed prosecutor is allowed to investigate anything he wants about Biden. Evidently, money laundering and conspiracy aren’t on the menu. And don’t forget, a Trump appointed judge will be signing off on the plea deal. The dream of Biden being sent to Gitmo for execution has bit the dust.--LSimons (talk) 19:45, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Do you follow Sundance? He calls the of Oversight Committee "Chaff and Countermeasures" for fundraising, depending on which party is in charge. I'm happy to do my part to assist fund raising. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:00, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

• My basis for saying that Hunter got a sweetheart deal:

(1) The FBI investigators did not examine the famous laptop from hell, or least they never asked any questions about it or filed any charges on the basis of it. Yet video on the laptop shows Hunter smoking crack, an offense that his father voted to greatly increase the penalty for. If the FBI had investigated the financial transactions discussed on the laptop, they might have confirmed allegations that the Biden family functions as an enormous bribery ring.

(2) Hunter failed to reported his various drug addictions on his application for a gun permit. Hunter's defenders point out that very few people are prosecuted for lying on an application. But Hunter actually got a gun as a result of this application, which puts him in a different category than people whose applications were rejected.

(3) A special counsel for Trump but not for Hunter? Surely the conflict of interest issue is more serious with Hunter. PeterKa (talk) 11:23, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

I thought they were still investigating him - that's the excuse they use for withholding information from Congress, "ongoing investigation." RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:40, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

Fast Forward: Let's suppose by May 2024 DeSantis wins the GOP nomination. Being that he's owned by globalists and the military industrial complex, the deep state could drive a nail into Biden's coffin with indictments. This could even be seen as an act of compassion by the deep state to save us from the likelihood of a Kamala Harris presidency which increases each passing day. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:48, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

The FBI verified that the laptop was Hunter's back in November 2019. The investigators could crack it open any time now. PeterKa (talk) 22:41, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

Let's suppose the House passed Articles of Impeachment the day before Election Day, and Biden was declared winner by stuffing the ballot box in the following days. Then the Senate held a crash impeachment trial before inauguration day and he was convicted. Would that be for his first term or both? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:50, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Gas leak destroys American Academy in Paris

According to sources familiar with the matter, Ukraine apparently blew up the American Academy in Paris with weapons it received from NATO (just as it did the Nordstream pipeline, according to the CIA) in a false flag attack effort to blame Russia and rouse American public opinion. [14] RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:22, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

US India Partnership will be the defining Partnership of the Next Decade and even Next quarter century

Neither Biden or Modi are great. I prefer Ron_DeSantis and Rahul Gandhi respectively. But the US-India Partnership is much needed. And a formal Alliance between US and India, including by India joining NATO plus, as has been proposed, would be Wonderful for the World.

"President Joseph R. Biden, Jr. and Prime Minister Narendra Modi today affirmed a vision of the United States and India as among the closest partners in the world – a partnership of democracies looking into the 21st century with hope, ambition, and confidence. The U.S.-India Comprehensive Global and Strategic Partnership is anchored in a new level of trust and mutual understanding and enriched by the warm bonds of family and friendship that inextricably link our countries together. Together, we will build an even stronger, diverse U.S.-India partnership that will advance the aspirations of our people for a bright and prosperous future grounded in respect for human rights, and shared principles of democracy, freedom, and the rule of law. Our cooperation will serve the global good as we work through a range of multilateral and regional groupings – particularly the Quad– to contribute toward a free, open, inclusive, and resilient Indo-Pacific. No corner of human enterprise is untouched by the partnership between our two great countries, which spans the seas to the stars." NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:23, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Dreizin on India (5 mins). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:20, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Did you watch the Washington Examiner Video I mentioned? In it, De Santis says: "I can Promise you this, on Day 1, as Commander-In-Chief, we will rip the Woke out of the Military, we will get it focused on the Mission, and we will make sure it's something people are proud of again". I'll know you're serious about beating "globohomo" (as your video says) when you start campaigning for De Santis with all your strength. God has given you the means to beat the Woke, which you profess to be concerned about, but you are yet to grab it and do it. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:54, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Well, no. My priority has always been building the GOP coalition - not ripping it apart (for which I get called a RINO backer and commiesymp sometimes.) RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:17, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Let me give an example: I've stated a few times over the past year that conservatives need to build an alliance with feminists to protect girls sports from transgenders and males sent into women's prisons. What happens? People continue trash talking feminists, which makes any casual observer like myself, feminists, or others outside the conservative movement wonder if conservatives are really serious about combating transgenderism.

Simply refraining your lips from trash talking feminists or Vladimir Putin in common cause against transgenderism or fascism is not the same as advocacy or logging rolling for a coalition partner. But unfortunately, many critics are correct: the conservative movement has many amateurish ideologues who just don't know how to play nice with others. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:45, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Btw, surprising to see Rahul Gandhi has no Conservapedia Article. He's Pro-Christian, Pro-Poor and Pro-Minority in India, unlike Modi who isn't any of those. India also has elections in 2024. I should probably start an article on him for Conservapedia later on.

America and India united, above all in some kind of NATO plus Alliance, would be winning Cold War 2.0 with China before it starts. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 19:02, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

I don't think that's gonna happen. But it's too big a subject to go into right here and now. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:19, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

US Finally Realized The Futility Of Trying To Force India Into Vassalhood. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:26, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

It's up to China to choose India's course.[15]--Geopolitician (talk) 22:31, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Not a vassal, RobS, but an equal partner. Entitled to Article 5 protection (that goes both ways) or its equivalent. Not just India, but Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, Australia, New Zealand and other democratic countries in the Indo-Pacific belong in NATO (+) too: https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/us-senator-to-introduce-bill-to-make-india-part-of-nato-plus-grouping-amid-rising-china 22:33, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

@Robs: As for Feminists etc, they are welcome aboard on the De Santis Train. You know, one of the things De Santis mentioned in the above Video is, how when we won the first time, he won by just 32,000 votes. But the 2nd, after wonderful performance, by 1.5 MN votes. He carried Hispanics, Independents etc by huge margins. So Feminists and others are all part of a Broad Coalition De Santis can/will build. One should a broad coalition with all who can see the problem. Even Bill Maher, J.K. Rowling and others have criticized Trans Ideology. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 23:12, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

Coalition building isn't that simple, and backing a presidential candidate does nothing for their concerns about transgender takeover of women's sports or men raping women in state prisons.

More confusion on your part. Transgender takeover of women's sports can only be solved by a law banning it. De Santis has expressly promised to implement such laws. You are lazy in that you don't want to know how to win this fight, and when someone spoon-feeds you, you refuse to believe it's that "simple", and remain in your ignorance. Mark, my words, many Independents and even some Democrats will support De Santis for his common-sense policies, as they did in Florida. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 05:24, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, so now DeSantis writes the laws and not Congress. We already have a dictator in power; why do we need to switch RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:37, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

The President has to advocate for it and ultimately sign it, as De Santis is doing and has promised to do. That's also why building coalitions is important. He also has some executive power to take some decisions on his own. Trump used his power very badly as far as LGBT issues were concerned; didn't understand or represent the Conservative Cause at all on that issue, on the whole [Abortion was better]. De Santis will. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 08:44, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

And the fact that you relate it to presidential politics shows how sympathetic you are to their concerns, which they can see. They think that you think that they are as dumb as you are. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:33, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

The fact that you think it can be solved without "presidential politics" shows the dumbness is on your part. But keep supporting the person who called himself "the most pro-gay president in history", and then keep wondering naively why things go from bad to worse, and America under both Trump and Biden arm-twists other nations to push the LGBT Agenda. Your words, like faith without works, are all empty and dead, because they're not backed up by actions. You don't really want to win the fight against Wokism, because you don't really want to do the hard work entailed in winning it. You're like a man who says "Boy, I really want to get rich", but then refuses to get out of bed in order to do it. Your complaints about the LGBT Agenda, given your stances and excuses above, are like that in light of everything else. Quite sad, really. Won't stop me from fighting it. God rewards those who fight and work, not who sit on the sidelines, in order to win the fight against Wokism. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 05:28, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Wow. I'm amazed that you don't know the difference between a state and federal issue. Not sure if I would trust your judgement on anything. And where did I ever say I supported Trump? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:21, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

As regards NATO: One thing Nishant does not understand about NATO is, Article 5 basically short circuits and circumvents the US Constitutional provision that says only Congress can declare war. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:01, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

No, it doesn't, because a Congressional declaration of War will follow the invasion of a NATO Country, just like other Parliaments etc around the world will also declare War on the hostile power similarly. NATO, while not perfect, has helped preserved the Peace in Post-War Europe for 75 years. It's time for Asian countries to join the Alliance without discrimination and with equal rights. That would also help NATO win over hearts and minds worldwide including the Global South. And the Global South Countries who want to join being welcomed would then be the next logical step for NATO to take. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 05:31, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Huh? Congress hasn't declared war since 1941.

NATO Article 5 was created because of pressure from the UK. In 2 world wars, the UK asked for help and had to wait years for the US to get directly involved because of conservative opposition against interventionism.

Article 5 is ridiculous. A US ally can launch a military or terrorist attack, or covert assassination, and when they get retaliated against, the American people are dragged into war. And Congress is not bound to vote for war against its will. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:17, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Sophistry. Pop Quiz for you: when was the first time Article 5 was invoked. Answer from NATO below: "Collective defence means that an attack against one Ally is considered as an attack against all Allies. The principle of collective defence is enshrined in Article 5 of the Washington Treaty. NATO invoked Article 5 for the first time in its history after the 9/11 terrorist attacks against the United States." https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_110496.htm So the US too has greatly benefited from Article 5 being invoked. Good Leaders, with Military Service, like future Prez. Ron De Santis, will avoid unnecessary Wars and fight necessary ones. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 08:39, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

That was a gross abuse of power. NATO was created to defend against the Soviet Union, which didn't exist in 2001. And Afghanistan did not attack the United States. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:17, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Megan Kelly gets it: Trump going far to the left. Compared to De Santis, that's True; trans ideology etc: https://youtu.be/sM6iEOmAoVE NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 08:05, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

More on Article 5

"In 1949, the primary aim of the North Atlantic Treaty – NATO’s founding treaty – was to create a pact of mutual assistance to counter the risk that the Soviet Union would seek to extend its control of Eastern Europe to other parts of the continent.

Every participating country agreed that this form of solidarity was at the heart of the Treaty, effectively making Article 5 on collective defence a key component of the Alliance.

Article 5 provides that if a NATO Ally is the victim of an armed attack, each and every other member of the Alliance will consider this act of violence as an armed attack against all members and will take the actions it deems necessary to assist the Ally attacked." https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_110496.htm NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 08:41, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Article 5 was created to circumvent conservative isolationist opposition to intervention in two world wars, i.e. the will of the voters. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:50, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Just passing through. Isolationism is not Conservative. With Isolationism, Hitler and Nazism would have prevailed in Europe. Thought you were Anti-Nazi? What happened to fighting Hitler and the Actual Nazis, then? NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 10:42, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

You are getting closer to the truth now; UK was at war for 2 1/2 years before the US got involved (and it is even interesting to review how the US got involved). The Neutrality Act and the America First Movement prevented involvement. It was a replay of the 1914-1917 events of WWI where the US refused to get involved. Woodrow Wilson was re-elected in 1916 on the slogan of "He kept us out of war". Article 5 was designed to bypass the American peoples' ingrained instincts toward non-interventionism. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:45, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Basically, NATO was created because of the failure of the United Nations - FDR's "Grand Vision" he used to pitch pro-war propaganda throughout World War II - upon Roosevelt's death and in the immediate aftermath of WWII it fell apart. The creation of NATO came about after the public and soldiers who fought the World War II realized that they had been lied to, and the UK's insistence that they didn't want to be held hostage by American conservatives who didn't want to get involved in fighting Britain's wars for them. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:56, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Let's take this famous quote of Churchill, for example, "Give us the tools, and we will finish the job." That could have been spoken by Zelensky. It means, "You supply the weapons, and we will supply the manpower and bloodshed". Well, that turned out to be a lie. America ended up supplying its own blood. Conservatives argued that if America supplied weapons, it would eventually lead to America having to sacrifice its own children. Democrats and Churchill argued that wouldn't be so. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:00, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

There has been much fictionalizing and revisionism about WWII in today's narratives. But the simple truth of the matter is, the soldiers who fought the war, and their parents who worked in the factories and endured privations, by 1947 felt they had been lied to. That's what led to the rebirth of the Republican party after having been out of power for nearly 20 years. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:06, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

US-India ties look rosy, but beware of over-militarization. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:06, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

• NATO’s Article 5 does not override Congress’s war powers. We must make clear that ‘an attack on one is an attack on all’ does not automatically trigger a US military response. JUNE 22, 2023, Written by Senator Rand Paul. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:10, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

1 year anniversary of overturning Roe v Wade

"Abortion, the Sacred Heart and the Road Ahead EDITORIAL: The Supreme Court’s decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health was a true manifestation of Jesus’ mercy on our country."

"One year after Dobbs, it still seems a bit surreal to refer to Roe in the past tense.

For 49 years, the Supreme Court’s confounding ruling in Roe v. Wade forced on America a false consensus on abortion that never actually existed.

Few Americans would have agreed in 1973 that a woman should be able to abort her child at any time for any reason, but that’s what Roe and the court’s subsequent abortion rulings effectively allowed. States that recognized the inherent dignity of every human life, as the Catholic Church does, were powerless to untangle Roe’s twisted legal lock hold, but pro-life Americans never gave up the fight. Their perseverance and prayers were rewarded at last, on June 24, 2022. As Catholics, we appreciate the significance of that date: It was the Solemnity of the Sacred Heart. Truly, the Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health decision was a manifestation of Jesus’ mercy on our country."

https://www.ncregister.com/commentaries/abortion-the-sacred-heart-and-the-road-ahead/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 12:19, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

"Today we celebrate the anniversary of the Dobbs decision.

Florida is proof that with bold leadership we can expand pro-life protections & provide more resources for mothers and families.

I will always champion a culture of life." https://twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis/status/1672711043343175683 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:19, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

OMG!

Dr. Steve Turley, for the first time I know of, used the "BS" word to describe Western propaganda vis-a-vis Prigozhin and the Wagner group. [16] RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:26, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Me personally, I pay absolutely ZERO attention to ANY MSM reporting, ever. I have to rely on guys like Turley to tell me what they said, which I can only imagine. It is not that difficult in today's world with the internet through open sources to discover what is happening in the world and to determine facts - even before MSM does or tries to. Why a curious mind or thinking person indulges their mind in that MSM saturated BS is a mystery to me. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:28, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Putin & Xi

Putin and Xi JingPing are very much authoritarian leaders. And the more authoritarian a leader is, the more he limits access to his actions, intentions and plans. You are fooling yourself if you think Steve Turley or your open sources know the nonpublic actions, intentions and plans of Putin and Xi JingPing.

Also, authoritarian leaders tend to be more capricious and often even they do not know what they are going to do next. Conservative (talk) 13:44, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

P.S. It looks like there is trouble in RobS' paradise of Russia. Putin and Yevgeny Prigozhin are currently engaged in infighting. Conservative (talk) 14:02, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Update: Yeveny Prigozhin says he doesn't want Russia to "continue to live in deceit, corruption and bureaucracy".[17] Harsh words! Russia is a corrupt joke of a country and their leader is a joke too. See: Essay: Vladimir Putin is a corrupt kleptocrat and an authoritarian and Essay: Why I am not bullish on Russia's future. Ukraine is an authoritarian/corrupt country too. Conservative (talk) 14:23, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Your "update" actually occurred two days ago. Your update about "infighting" was posted after Prigozhin ordered his troops to stand down. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:44, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Former Russian Prime Minister: 'Putin has 48 hours to stop Prigozhin's rebellion'.[18] RobS' glorious Russia is looking more and more like a clown show. Conservative (talk) 14:35, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

You obviously didn't watch the Turley video. Anything else you'd like to add to show us how out of touch you are with the ongoing news and events in the world? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:38, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

If Prigozhin were successful (he had about as much a chance as Ukraine had), you'd have been wishing for Putin back. He wanted to use nukes and get it over with. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:44, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Now Prigozhin had a legitimate point: he lost 4,000 men while killing 40,000 Ukrainians in Bakhmut; like Harry Truman, he could have wiped out 40,000 of the enemy without losing a single soldier. This may have ended the debate with hardliners in Russia, for now. We'll just have to live with the moderate President Putin, for the time being. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:49, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Clown show? yah like the president's son hanging his wang out and taking $10 million in bribes. But we're fighting for "democracy" and gay rights, I suppose. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:55, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Imagine yourself being the widow of a Ukrainian soldier kidnapped off the streets and killed in an American Bradley cracker box, and you turn on CNN to see Biden fall up the stairs and his son tossing a gun in a dumpster. So you ask, "What did my husband die for?" "Oh yah, that's right. Putin is a corrupt kleptocrat." RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:00, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Whataboutism isn't going to make the authoritarian and corrupt country of Russia any less of a clown show. You are obviously in denial though.

And the loser Prigozhin doesn't even come close to military leaders like George Patton, Dwight Eisenhower or Douglas Mac Arthur.

It is hard to be an authoritarian and kleptocrat like Putin when the state has less power than it did previously. See: The Fate of the State by MARTIN VAN CREVELD Conservative (talk) 15:10, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

LoL, I'd give you the link from Andrei Martynov, you know, the American citizen who works in America's aerospace industry and former Russian naval captain about what Russian military academies teach about George Patton, but I know facts and reality don't really bother you. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:49, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

My comments about empathizing with a Ukrainian widow (of which there are over 100,000 now thanks to your support for nazism), is not whataboutism, but shows your complete disdain for other human beings and lack of empathy and compassion. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:52, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

So what is West Point teaching about Russia today? [19]

"Russia is adapting, evolving, and arguably revolutionizing modern warfare. And more to the point, it validates the assertions long held by those in the know that Russia’s current—sometimes mystifying—frontline tactics are precisely intentioned choices, rather than the haphazard bricolage of a fouled-up or directionless command.

:The article begins with a cautionary note about how Russia’s perceived shortcomings or ‘blunders’—like the Kharkov retreat, etc.—have been over-simplified into a false narrative of a weak or failing armed forces. The author immediately establishes that Russia is actually ‘ahead of [its] time’ in terms of conceptual military strategic advancement....

But go on, keep filling your head with blather and BS. Ignorance is bliss.

You know, several weeks ago on the phone I was trying to say to you about Prigozhin & Wagner, that the dust up with the Defense Ministry was evidence that the Defense Ministry viewed Wagner as a potential threat. But of course, as usual, your not interested in other people's thoughts that challenge your own narrow view of the world, and how things are supposed to be. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:06, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

The Russian Minister of Defense warned that decision making centers could be destroyed in the USA/UK via some sabre rattling.[20] And Putin threatened Boris Johnson with potentially sending nuclear missiles to the UK.[21]

And now we have Yeveny Prigozhin forces rapidly heading towards Moscow so now the Russian Ministry of Defense headquarters might be taken over.[22]

Oh, the irony! Sooner or later it will be hard to escape the fact that Russia's corrupt and authoritarian leaders are clowns. Conservative (talk) 16:37, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Man, the more you talk, the more you reveal your ignorance.

You know, Hitler served as a message runner between trenches in WWI; your information is so unreliable and outdated, I doubt you could be trusted with an important task like that. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:46, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

My "ignorance"? The Duran YouTube channel recently hosted Jeffrey Sachs and praised him on some of his insightful works. Aren't you a very huge fan of The Duran YouTube channel? You shouldn't have whined about me citing Sachs on main page right. Once again, I am totally vindicated! As much as I hate to do it, I declare total victory! Conservative (talk) 16:54, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Duuh, I've been trying to talk with you about Jeffrey Sachs for 16 months, but duuh, you refuse to listen and hear what other people say, duuh.

It took me four months, if I recall, to bring the Duran to your attention; and I had to do it through the backdoor via Steve Turley (you know, the guy at the head of this thread). You would never listen or accept Christoforou or Mercouris if I recommended them by name outright.

But then you'll blindly accept transparency.org without qualification. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:59, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Now why is this? I'm going to expand on this momentarily. Why is that you will not listen to or accept other people's recommendations on sources, unless it's first qualified by your own trusted sources, like Steve Turley? My theory: it is evidence that you do not trust your own judgement. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:05, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Here's how a typical conversation goes:

Rob: Have you ever heard of so-and-so?

Cons: Ewwww! I don't want to be poisoned by ideas!

Then, maybe a year and half later, you discover the source you never allowed me to recommend. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:14, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Putin and Xi are both dictators. That Putin chooses to be allied with Xi tells us all we need to know about Putin himself. I pray Russia gets a better leader in their 2024 election, and that leader eventually chooses Peace with Ukraine and an Alliance with the West. That's the road to peace. In the meanwhile, only Raeganite Peace through Strength will work. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:21, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

"I pray Russia gets a better leader in their 2024 election, and that leader eventually chooses Peace with Ukraine and an Alliance with the West"

(a) Boris Yeltsin asked to join NATO in 1995 and was rejected outright;

(b) Vladimir Putin asked to join NATO in 2004 and was rejected;

(c) Donald Trump attempted to negotiate a detente with Russia and was called a traitor by CIA director John Brennan;

(d) Gen. Michael Flynn proposed an alliance with Russia and was arrested and jailed.

(e) NATO will never allow Russia to join cause it needs the Russian boogeyman to justify its grifting existence.

You are poorly informed, and make bad judgments from that information. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:20, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

NishantXavier, a great article related to Xi JingPing: Unpredictable China. Dictators are capricious! Conservative (talk) 18:08, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Thanks. Good Article. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 19:03, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, The political right hasn't invested a lot of money into news-gathering organizations. As a result, the political right often merely comments on the news that mainstream news gathers.

It takes a lot of money to gather news (foreign bureaus, investigative reporting, etc.) and with the internet cutting into the profit margins of newspapers, etc., the quality of news reporting has gone down in some ways. On the other hand, things are better in a post-internet age. It is better than when most Americans were heavily reliant on mainstream news.

So I have used a variety of news sources when I have wanted to find out various matters (ideological perspectives, geographic perspectives, etc.). Also, I look at trends and my knowledge of statistics and trend analysis to explain the world.

Politically, I am a center-right conservative and I like to look at a variety of sources to avoid ideological biases and other biases. See: List of news sources I look at and Other news sources that I look at.

I have alluded to the above matters before. This is the last time I repeat myself. Conservative (talk) 17:29, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

I suggest looking at this material related to political partisan bubbles and cognitive biases: The case for being less partisan/political and being more objective. Conservative (talk) 17:42, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Much of the world has incompetent leaders who can't keep up with a rapidly changing and complex world. We live in a VUCA world (Volatility, uncertainty, complexity, and ambiguity). Politics is a bit like the weather. A lot of people complain about it, but there is not much they can do about it. Conservative (talk) 17:56, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Congrats. I'm not really interested in ideology. Too much vague theory. I just look at the character of the person. Honesty, sincerity, ability to analyze, make decisions, care about other people, etc. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:08, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

And, as I've said now consistently for 16 years, the left-right political spectrum theory is on only a theory, like all theories, is not a proven fact. It's BS and a waste of time to dwell on it or make decisions based upon a vague theory nobody can accurately or clearly define. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:13, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

There are leftwing Christians and rightwing atheists. So I've said all I'm going to say about this and anything else LALALAL! Not listening! I can't hear you! LALALALA! RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:18, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Not sure why you have become such a Putin/Russia cheerleader. Maybe you have Slavic ethnic roots. Maybe you're obsessed with globalism/homosexuality. It's a bit of a mystery. But various trends, events and other data show that Russia is heading for a world of hurt. See: Why I am not bullish on Russia's future.

And it was a big mistake for Putin to launch his offensive in February of 2022. I hope Russia doesn't descend into a bloody civil war. For now, it seems to have dodged that bullet (See: Mutiny, mayhem and panic on the streets of Moscow: Russia saved from brink of civil war at 11th hour). Conservative (talk) 18:19, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

I am not a cheerleader at all. I am simply reporting facts the MSM refuses to report. You statement shows how polluted your mind is with MSM bias. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:08, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Furthest Nazi expansion 1942; [3] looks an awful lot like the NATO map today.

yah I have slavic roots. As a kid I was revelled with all kinds of stories about life in the "Old Country". When I asked "What country?", they never could give a straight answer if it was Germany, Poland, Russia, Austria, Czechoslovakia or Hungary cause it changed hands so many times. When I asked "What happened?", they said, "Oh, you'll never be able to fix it." I wrote my undergrad thesis on the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, where the Bolsheviks gave the Ukraine to Germany. Of course France, England, and the United States tore up the treaty and gave Ukraine back to Russia (including Crimea). Now the same Western powers are trying to convince us that when the communist Ukrainian Soviet dictator Khruschev in a drunken binge took Crimea away from Russia without a referendum and the people's right of self determination has some sort of legal binding authority to it. Only a fool would believe that, which evidently is you. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:20, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

And this all happened after the Germans and their Western allies (later NATO) murdered 27 million Russians in Ukraine trying to get it back from Russia after the now NATO powers US, France, and the UK gave it to Russia in 1919 at the Treaty of Versailles. I guess that's their idea of international law, justice, and peace. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:37, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

So let me get this straight: A communist dictator drew the lines of what supposedly is Ukraine's borders without the consent of the people that NATO is trying to protect today. Is that correct?

So just exactly who is standing up for communism and who is standing up for the people's right of self-determination and democracy? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:47, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Jesus taught that one should turn the other cheek when struck across one's cheek. And war is very unpredictable. Given Russia's demographics and subreplacement level of births, Putin's decision to launch an invasion against Ukraine was not a good decision for Russia given that a lot of young men die during war. And the idea that a greying and declining Europe posed a serious threat to Russia is laughable and so is the idea that a poor country like Ukraine with a much smaller population than Russia was a serious threat. Putin is an egotistical, petty, corrupt tyrant who attacked Ukraine for idiotic "reasons". He certainly doesn't care about the many Russian-speaking Donbas people whose homes were wrecked and who fled the region. Conservative (talk) 20:00, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Stick you sub-replacement theory sideways - I'm sick of hearing it. You don't have any kids, do you? You violated God's command to "be fruitful and multiply."

You sound like a pitchman for the Lebensborn Program. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:06, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

If you still don't believe that Putin is an egotistical, corrupt and petty man, perhaps you should contact his ex-wife! Conservative (talk) 20:08, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

What does Putin have to do with your advocacy for eugenics? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:17, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) "For decades, Germany’s birthrate was decreasing. Himmler’s goal was to reverse the decline and increase the Germanic/Nordic population of Germany to 120 million." RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:10, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Putin was a poor captain of his marriage and his leadership of his country is weak too. Conservative (talk) 20:11, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

What does Putin have to do with your advocacy for human breeding programs?

(ec) And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. 1 Chron 21:1

You would think you would have enough brains to get of this sub-replacement fertility shtick yourself, but you don't. Keep it up, and I'll tear your Satanic neo-Nazi views apart. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:15, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

I have an idea that User: NishantXavier may like. Ron DeSantis is still married to his sweetheart and people are flocking to his state. Perhaps, Russia should change its constitution so Ron DeSantis can be the new leader of Russia. This would give DeSantis some experience running a country and give him something on his resume when he runs for US president in 2028. If DeSantis were running Russia, maybe people would be flocking to Russia and instead of leaving it! Conservative (talk) 20:19, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Perhaps you should stop sounding like Heinrich Himmler and your worries about fertility rates and declining population. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:22, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Russian demography has long been an existential issue to Vladimir Putin. In 2021, he declared “saving the people of Russia is our top national priority".[23]. So much for Putin's "top national priority". Conservative (talk) 20:25, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

oh, the Western propaganda rag Fortune quotes Putin. Now that's authoritive. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:31, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Look, I'm sick of your Nazi views and arguments. Please, just stop. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:33, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

NATO and the EU's Lebensraum program in Eastern Europe and Ukraine will fail. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:36, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

What you dislike is reality and math. I think your Slavic roots is causing you to look at Russia with rose-colored glasses. Russia is in a demographic winter and this war is making things worse. Conservative (talk) 20:38, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

I never said I had Russian roots. You know what Pan-Slavism is? It started the First World War. My people fought two world wars against Russians, and have now reconciled with them for all time. And I'll be g-dammed if a bunch ignorant effing nazis try to destroy that peace and reconciliation now with another race war, after fighting a Cold War for 45 years. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:03, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

There has been too many wars and too many dead started by ignorant race-haters and xenophobes like yourself. Why don't you just shut up. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:07, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

The beginning of the end for Putin? Putin had everything. By some accounts, he's the world's richest man; even Elon Musk said so. In spite of all his past sins, including murdering and poisoning his opponents, he had everything he needed to live out his days. But then he threw it all away. He started an insane invasion. Now, he's reaping what he has sown. Russia deserves better. Russia deserves a Post-Putin Future. The world sees Putin's weakness: "This just does not happen in Vladimir Putin’s Russia. Especially in public.

The Russian president is facing the most serious threat to his hold on power in all the 23 years he’s run the nuclear state. And it is staggering to behold the veneer of total control he has maintained all that time – the ultimate selling point of his autocracy – crumble overnight.

It was both inevitable and impossible. Inevitable, as the mismanagement of the war had meant only a system as homogenously closed and immune to criticism as the Kremlin could survive such a heinous misadventure. And impossible as Putin’s critics simply vanish, or fall out of windows, or are poisoned savagely. Yet now the fifth-largest army in the world is halfway through a weekend in which fratricide – the turning of their guns upon their fellow soldiers – was briefly the only thing that could save the Moscow elite from collapse.

At the time of writing, 24 hours of extraordinary shark-jumping culminated with Wagner head Yevgeny Prigozhin agreeing to reverse his advance to within 120 miles (200 kilometers) of Moscow’s city limits and send his columns back to “field camps, according to the plan.” It is a last-minute reversal intended, he said, to avoid “bloodshed.” https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/24/europe/russia-putin-wagner-prigozhin-analysis-intl/index.html NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 20:53, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

"It’s being reported that Putin and his cronies are fleeing Moscow at a lightning speed & Lukashenko left Minsk last night. Like the cowards they are.

Meanwhile, this was President Zelensky at the start of the full-scale russian invasion:

That’s the difference between us." [Picture with Prez. Zelensky saying: "All of us are here Protecting the Independence of our Country"] Don't forget his other famous statement: "I need Ammo, not a Ride" when offered Safe Refuge by U.S. Ambassadors/Intelligence. From: https://twitter.com/juliavkril/status/1672579632778952708 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 20:58, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

It's pretty obvious the whole thing was staged. All criminal charges against Prigozhin dropped and he's been reassigned to the Polish-Belarus border. The purpose was to ferret out NATO/Ukrainian spies and saboteurs in Moscow who were supposed to rise up as Wagner approached, according to the NATO/Ukraine plan. Man, you take the bait every time, guaranteed. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:32, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

I don't believe it was "staged", that's your spin or damage control as a Putin supporter imho. Neither did they catch any alleged NATO/Ukrainian spies and saboteurs; yes, they've worked out some kind of deal, and Prigozhin and his soldiers are promised they won't be harmed. Whether Putin intends to keep or actually keeps that promise is another thing. And at any rate, the world sees the dangerous weakness of the Putin regime. Again, the best thing that can happen to Russia, for the sake of her own future, is Putin leaving in March 2024. Till then, the fight goes on, Ukraine becomes stronger than ever after Vilnius. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 21:49, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

It was announced on the 22nd, the day before, 2 SBU saboteurs we captured and another 2 dozen being sought by FSB. Now this does not preclude the possibility of there being spies and saboteurs within the FSB, MOD, or other government officials, which would explain going to such elaborate lengths to ferret them out. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:55, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

If you are going to use sources like CNN (hopefully not alone) you need to learn how to read them.

The first three of the four paragraphs are "fluff" and of no relevance; the final paragraphs contains what appears to be unbiased factual information, corroborated by other sources. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:01, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Road to Majority: Demography, Stats, Catholic-Evangelical Alliance and a Moral Majority

So, at the recent Faith and Freedom Coalition, one of the things discussed was "Path to Majority". How to form a Majoritarian Alliance, of obvious importance in securing and winning elections. Some simple stats of the number of Catholics and Evangelicals in America give an answer: 2/3rd of Catholic and Evangelical Christians would be more than sufficient to guarantee victory. Conservatives must realize, therefore, that retreating on moral issues is both immoral and also politically foolish. Will post the stats for now and develop the demographic argument subsequently:

Catholics first: "In absolute numbers, Catholics have increased from 45 million to 72 million." Evangelicals next: "Wheaton College's Institute for the Study of American Evangelicals estimates that about 30 to 35% (90 to 100 million people) of the U.S. population is evangelical." So that's around 150-160 MN Catholics+Evangelicals. (to be continued). NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 21:56, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Next, the official number from last time: "Biden won 81,283,098 votes, or 51.3 percent of the votes cast ... Trump won 74,222,958 votes, or 46.8 percent of the votes cast." https://www.cfr.org/blog/2020-election-numbers

Obviously, as I mentioned when discussing De Santis' positive reforms in Florida above, maintaining election security is important this time. But the general point stands. Roughly 80 MN votes or so are more than enough to win.

That means, forget 2/3rds, but even getting roughly 1/2 of all Catholic and Evangelical Christians to both show up and vote, and then vote their Faith and Conscience, vote for Life and Marriage, etc, is sufficient for a Conservative Victory.

Just like Ukraine, Russia etc are mobilizing, because that's what one does if one wants to win a War, Conservatives also should seriously mobilize in this way, if they want to win a Culture War. That's why De Santis'$ 100 MN Door-Knocking Army is significant. (to be continued) NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 22:03, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

See this: "Wear said. "[Biden] basically tripled Clinton's numbers with White evangelicals. To be clear, if Biden would have performed as poorly as Clinton did four years ago among White evangelicals, he would have lost Georgia and this election." https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/324410/religious-group-voting-2020-election.aspx

I bet one of the reasons De Santis beats Biden in those Swing State polls I mentioned above, and Trump does not, is De Santis' better performance among conservative and religious voters. There are millions of conservative voters - enough to swing an election - who do not vote because neither candidate is conservative enough for them; that was true with both Trump and Biden. It won't be true with De Santis. The Catholic and Evangelical Vote will be key, and De Santis' credible promise to fight the Woke and win is right and politically smart.

See also: "Social conservatism has reached the highest levels in more than a decade, according to a new Gallup poll." https://nypost.com/2023/06/24/its-time-to-embrace-social-conservatism/ Conservatives should stand their ground on the moral and social issues, which would be enough to win them 40-50% of the vote at least in most states; a higher %age, they should attract with competent governance, credible performance, good administrative skills etc, all of which De Santis has already exemplified in Florida. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 05:20, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

I love this kinda stuff: "[Biden] basically tripled Clinton's numbers with White evangelicals."

The Decline of White Evangelical Protestants: "White Evangelical Protestants have exercised considerable influence over American politics and culture for decades. That may change. A new analysis of Gallup trend data finds that their numbers are declining rapidly. October 7, 2022. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 06:04, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Hmmm, they must have low fertility rates. Interesting how transgenders, with a fertility rate of about .01%, are rising. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 06:15, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

What i don't understand is, there is a whole world of knowledge and opportunity out there, and all you guys do is sit here spinning your wheels with MSM BS as if it were true, factual, or something to build upon.

For my own personal reference, please tell me: Does it make you guys feel intelligent and informed to read MSM garbage, repost it here, and regurgitate it in discussion? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 06:20, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, you just posted the Washington Post as a source to defend an argument of yours above (The rumor that Ukraine intelligence was behind the recent mutiny in Russia by Yevgeny Prigozhin). You are being inconsistent and illogical. I certainly hope you don't feel that you are super intelligent because being inconsistent and illogical isn't a sign of high intelligence. Conservative (talk) 06:53, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

I did not. You are trolling again. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 06:55, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, I wrote above in another section: "RobS, all stable buildings have strong foundations. Your source was founded on a Washington Post citation. Therefore, using your very flawed reasoning, it is unreliable. Secondary sources rely on primary sources. This is very obvious. But you are ignoring the obvious because you are being stubborn and illogical."

I stand by what I wrote above. Conservative (talk) 07:03, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Take it to Talk:Evgeny Prigozhin, not here. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 07:09, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Area chart showing percentage of Americans who are white evangelical, black evangelical, or Hispanic or other Evangelical from 1999 to 2021 Here's more on that 100 MN door-knocking campaign, which will help in both the primary and the general. I think he could win 100 MN votes if sufficient people are informed of his record and accomplishments, which would be a first. Trump won around 75 MN: "In total, DeSantis' backers plan to spend $100 million on this ground game spread over 18 states, laying the groundwork for the Florida governor to pick off delegates and win key battlegrounds. So far, more than 260 canvassers have graduated from Never Back Down’s program, with door-knockers deployed to locations in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Nevada and Super Tuesday states. As of Friday, Never Back Down’s team of canvassers has hit more than 235,000 households across the country, including about 83,000 in Iowa, 56,000 in New Hampshire and 76,000 in South Carolina since last month. “This is the most expansive, most in-depth, most cooperative, most intensive — fill in however many words you want to there that mean the same thing — program that I’ve ever seen,” Williams, who is also president of Vanguard Field Strategies, said. “It’s not even close." https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/100-million-door-knocking-effort-boost-ron-desantis-rcna89517 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 05:24, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

$100 million door knocking campaign = astroturf. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 06:11, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

No, I don't agree with the MSM. That's the point. The MSM wants Conservatives to run away from Social Conservatism, on the false premise htat if they don't, this will allegedly be electorally problematic. But the exact opposite is the Truth: if any Conservative wins 60+% of both Evangelicals and Conservatives (160 MN people), he or she will almost certainly win the general election. Let that sink in. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 06:55, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Wow. You really got me confused now. When you say 160mn people, you are not saying 160mn voters, are you? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 06:58, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

No, because as I said many millions of them do not vote: "In 2016, 43 percent of the eligible voting population in the US did not cast a vote. Among nonvoters, a small minority—4 percent—cite a religious objection to the practice, according to the 100 Million Project, a Knight Foundation survey on nonvoting.

The controversies surrounding the two candidates in the last election, Trump and Hillary Clinton, even had some evangelicals who typically vote staying home." https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2020/october/evangelical-nonvoters-politican-engagement-election.html NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 07:01, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

I'm still confused. Does the 160mn figure you reference include non voting children and cats and dogs? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 07:03, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

It's 70 MN Catholics and 100 MN Evangelicals. Let's assume 10-20 MN are below voting age. That still leaves 150-160 MN voting age Catholics and Evangelicals. As I mentioned, all of them do not vote. Conservatives should make more efforts to get them to vote. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 07:12, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

ok, thanks. That clarifies.

In population statistics, a general rule of thumb is to simply divide in half whatever the total population figure is. Hence, if a population base is 160mn, it is safe to say 50% have reached "age of majority", or 80 mn voters.

When discussing voting age persons, just leave the total population figures out and reference "80 million adults" or "80 million voting age adults". RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 07:24, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

As for "Astroturf": That's like saying the Great Commission is an "astroturf", whatever that means. Some Anti-Christians use that argument, but it isn't true. Because Truth matters, making efforts to educate people about the Truth with true arguments also matters. Likewise, if Anti-Conservatives, or Anti-De-Santis Conservatives, use the argument that mobilizing and making efforts to reach a 100 MN people, which is necessary or useful for winning elections, is allegedly wrong or bad, they are mistaken. It's good and necessary to do that. De Santis has the best Conservative Agenda and Credentials, the best Record and Accomplishments. Now, it's necessary to convince a sufficiently large number of voters about that Truth; which is necessary for winning the election. If you want to beat the Woke, you should participate in the fight. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 07:00, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Catholic Church Attendance Statistics by Country

Catholic News Agency recently released this study:

"CARA researchers used data from the World Values Survey (WVS), a major international study of religious belief that has been conducted for decades, to examine 36 countries with large Catholic populations. Of those countries, the researchers ranked them by the percentage of self-identified Catholics who say they attend Mass weekly or more, excluding weddings, funerals, and baptisms.

According to the data, Nigeria and Kenya have the highest proportion of Catholics who attend Mass weekly or more, with Nigeria as the clear leader. Ninety-four percent of Catholics in Nigeria say they attend Mass at least weekly. In Kenya, the figure was 73%, and in Lebanon it was 69%." https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/253488/where-is-mass-attendance-highest-one-country-is-the-clear-leader

Zaporozhye nuke plant false flag

"If they were to seize it, they can then claim that Russia attacked their positions out of spite, or simply blew the pre-laid explosives that Russian forces setup prior to retreating from the plant, etc. This is more doable because it allows Ukraine to blow it from the inside without any type of evidence being possible to pin them to the crime like in the previous example.

"The truth is, they likely have contingencies for both, because they’ll settle for whichever one they can get. Capturing it would perhaps be preferable, but if their forces get repulsed in a mass attempt to capture it, they can very likely also activate Plan B, which is to strike the reactors and claim that their heroic forces had already expelled Russians from the plant and the Russians blew it as they were retreating.

"The thing you have to understand is, Western MSM will shill and cover for whatever “the plan” is. And when there is an ongoing battle happening, the ‘fog of war’ creates a scenario where establishing exact details is impossible, particularly when the entire Western propaganda organ will be pumping false information. So that’s all to say that, all they really need to do is launch an attack to generate a few videos of Ukrainian forces somewhere near the plant.

"Russian forces could very well repel them but the simple appearance of the AFU being somewhere near the plant and fighting will be presented in Western media as “heroic Ukrainian forces gloriously recapturing the ZNPP as the Russians flee and retreat!”. Russian forces may very well fully repel the attack and not take one step back. But as long as there is an appearance of a fight near the plant, the MSM will easily convince Western audiences that Russians have already “fled” from the plant and Ukraine has in fact “seized it”, and then blowing the plant with an attack can easily be sold as “Russian forces sabotaged and blew it as they retreated”.

"It would be very easy to pull this off because we see it pulled off daily in a variety of battles all over Ukraine. Even in the recent offensive there were some battles where the AFU got completely demolished yet a few hand-selected videos of combat showing them in a favorable light is sold to the Western audience on every major MSM headline as a huge Ukrainian victory, with hundreds of Russian troops fleeing, killed, etc., etc. A complete warping of reality, and there’s no way to stop it.

"For instance, just take two case studies to understand my point: Mariupol and Bakhmut. When the Azovstal surrender happened, it was sold to Western audiences as some kind of “big victory for Azovstal defenders.” All the headlines presented it as a deal which favored Ukraine where the Azov forces were simply being ‘re-oriented’ to another direction and not actually captured. It was extremely bizarre to watch it happen yet Western audiences bought it hook, line, and sinker.

"In Bakhmut, we see to this day that a large part of Ukrainian supporters still don’t even know that the city has fallen. The MSM is selling a narrative that the AFU is actually still entrenched somewhere in the southwest portion of the city and are advancing deeper into it each day. This is verified by the fact that even on wikipedia, the “Battle of Bakhmut” page shows the battle as still ‘in progress’ and refuses to denote it as a Russian victory.

"They can easily pull the wool over credulous Westerner’s eyes in the same way when it comes to the ZNPP. In fact, it’s so easy because these people have already pre-made their judgments. Take one glance at social media and you’ll see that without it even happening yet, they’ve already convinced themselves and each other that it’s Russia who destroyed the ZNPP even though it hasn’t happened yet. So no matter what evidence will eventually be given to the contrary, they will never stray from their initial belief.

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/nuclear-falseflag-on-zaporozhye-npp RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 05:15, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Kayleigh McEnany: I cannot believe this is happening

"'Outnumbered' panelists weigh in after the state of New Jersey sued three school districts over policies requiring teachers to inform parents if their children transition." https://youtu.be/svluJ2KGPm4 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:09, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Russia sanctions backlash: Europe drowns in wine surplus

As wine surpluses drive prices down, making it cheaper to get drunk on quality wines and expanding the problem of government-sponsored alcoholism, the EU now debates piling on more debt with more agricultural subsidies. [24] But hey, these are the brilliant geniuses who stood up to Putin by piling on more debt and taxes

Meanwhile, Turkish, Georgian, and Syrian wine producers hit a bonanza.

There are no solutions, only trade offs. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:06, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Big Serge: The Wagner Uprising

"There were confident and outlandish predictions pushed out in a matter of hours, including claims that Russia’s global footprint would disintegrate as the Kremlin recalled troops to defend Moscow and that Russia was about to enter a state of Civil War. We also saw the Ukrainian propaganda machine kick into overdrive, with characters like Anton Gerashchenko and Igor Sushko absolutely bombarding social media with fake stories about Russian army units mutinying and regional governors “defecting” to Prigozhin.

"There’s something to be said here about the analytic model that prevails in our time - there’s a machine that instantly springs to life, taking in rumors and partial information in an environment of extreme uncertainty and spitting out formulaic results that match ideological presuppositions. Information is not evaluated neutrally, but forced through a cognitive filter that assigns it meaning in light of predetermined conclusions. Russia is *supposed* to collapse and undergo regime change (Fukuyama said so) - therefore, Prigozhin’s actions had to be framed in reference to this assumed endgame....

RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:37, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Where is the evidence that the Ukrainians were in cahoots with Yevgeny Prigozhin to lead the mutiny against Putin?

If the USA government has intelligent sources that foreknew that the recent rebellion in Russia was likely going to occur that doesn't necessarily mean that they caused it. For example, if I know that the UPS delivery man is probably going to stop at the residence next door tomorrow because he left a sticker on my neighbor's door today, that doesn't mean that I am necessarily causing the UPS delivery man to visit my neighbor tomorrow. Conservative (talk) 12:18, June 27, 2023 (EDT)}}

Nikki Haley speech on Foreign Policy/China

Good Speech: https://youtu.be/QSGgb6oaGWk NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 15:21, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

Haley is simply brilliant on Foreign Policy and in her incisive understanding of the threat from Communist China. Listen to some of the stats and figures and facts she cites. Would make a great VP candidate imo. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 15:33, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

Her article in the WSJ: "A few months after I left the United Nations, I gave a speech to the Asian Leadership Conference about communist China. I warned about its growing military power, its aggression and its threat to America’s survival. I urged U.S. leaders to “think about China critically, creatively and courageously.” https://www.wsj.com/articles/my-plan-to-confront-the-chinese-threat-tech-transfer-military-farmland-1d5fbda5 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:31, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

‘Don’t see why not’: China envoy on backing Ukraine’s ’91 borders

With "Friends" like Commie China, who needs Enemies? China never cared about Russia. Never cared one bit. You can't have friendship without loving and caring for your friend. But the Commie CCP, being Godless and Marxist, does not care in the least what happens to Russia. Russia had so many years, even decades, from 1991 to 2022, when a transition to a peaceful future and to perhaps becoming a part of NATO seemed possible. Even now it is not impossible, but Putin needs to go, Navalny or someone better to lead, and democracy to come.

"Brussels, Belgium – China’s envoy to the European Union has suggested that Beijing could back Ukraine’s aims of reclaiming its 1991 territorial integrity, which includes Crimea – the peninsula annexed by Russia in 2014.

In a recent interview with Al Jazeera and two other media outlets, when Fu Cong was asked about supporting Kyiv’s goals, which includes reclaiming other Ukrainian regions now occupied by Russia, the senior Chinese diplomat said: “I don’t see why not."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/27/dont-see-why-not-china-envoy-on-backing-ukraines-91-borders NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:12, June 27, 2023 (EDT)