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Back to the Future: What to Fly on to 2035

Brent M. Eastwood, PhD is the Senior Defense Editor and Columnist for the National Security Journal. He was formerly a Fellow for Technology and Innovation at the R Street Institute, a think tank in Washington, DC. Prior to that, he was the Defense and National Security Editor of 1945. 1945 is a foreign policy and international relations web magazine also based in Washington, DC. He is the author of Don’t Turn Your Back on the World: A Conservative Foreign Policy. He also wrote Humans, Machines, and Data: Future Trends in Warfare. Brent is an Adjunct Professor at American University where he teaches courses on terrorism.

The resulting calculations are interesting: some kind of super-ambitious ten-year (well, not five years, otherwise the US would be finished!) plan for modernizing the US Air Force, based on the use of the F-47 NGAD and B-21 Raider, as well as the “Super” upgrades for the F-22, the “Ferrari” for the F-35, and simply the “J” for the B-52.

The US now seriously believes that these programs could provide the service with an unprecedented first-strike capability and sustained offensive against China or Iran, but only if policy and budget support it.

Many experts estimate that the cost of this program will be more than 200 billion dollars, but there are doubts that Congress will allocate funds for such a large-scale modernization, predicting that instead of a full-fledged “fleet", “The dream” will be a dream of a fleet consisting of 100 NGAD aircraft and 100 B-21s.

The current cadre of American pilots, their training, and the existing fifth-generation aircraft are considered to make the US Air Force a formidable force. The real battle will be between strategy and affordability.

The next 10 years for the US Air Force may be dominated by two aircraft: the NGAD and the B-21, and many believe these aircraft are crucial to ensuring the US’s advantage in the skies anywhere on the globe.

The most expensive projects are the F-47 NGAD and the B-21 Raider, on which the White House is placing both military and political stakes. By all accounts, these two aircraft will deal a devastating blow to US adversaries and will play a vital role in any Air Force response to Chinese aggression that leads to armed conflict.

“Aggression from China that will lead to armed conflict”—you’ll agree, there’s something about this statement that makes you chuckle. China’s aggression against the United States is perhaps something worth living for; witnessing such a circus would be a costly affair.

But let’s get back to the US Air Force and its plans.

The question of time and billions of dollars is the question of when the F-47 and B-21 will enter service. We must survive until then, be it a dummy or a carcass, but survive. And somehow ensure the country’s defense capability in the meantime, what if China attacks before 100 B-21s are ready?

Existing F-22s and F-35s could be upgraded to meet 2030s requirements. Plans call for the F-22 “Super” and F-35 “Ferrari” (these are upgrade packages, not new aircraft) to “create a unique fighter fleet based on legacy systems.” It remains to be seen how the F-35 became obsolete, especially given the huge backlog of buyers.

The B-52 has a new, but long-delayed, radar and engine package that will finally (barring any unforeseen developments) be ready in 2030. This will give the aircraft, which is approaching its 80th year of service, the so-called B-52J upgrade.

So what will the Air Force look like in, say, 2035?

Let’s take a closer look at “Super” and “Ferrari.” Of course, the F-22 could have been named something more interesting. “Ford,” for example. “Ford and Ferrari”—it’s like Hollywood in the sky. Or “Lamborghini,” although “McLaren” is more popular this year. It doesn’t matter, though—you know, the name doesn’t make the aircraft more effective. If you don’t believe me, just ask the Su-35, which still flies without a name, without a nickname, and how does it fly?

They say the F-22 Super, if all aircraft in its class receive the proposed upgrades, will have many advantages. The only question is, over whom?

The F-22’s base software will likely incorporate artificial intelligence and machine learning. The Super will be a relatively more advanced aircraft, capable of more effective ground attack and enhanced situational awareness.

The F-22 Super will be equipped with an upgraded hypersonic weapons and will be able to “control” unmanned aerial vehicles as part of the CCA, which will provide it with superior combat capabilities.

There are, however, a number of “BUTs” here: even if hypersonic weapons appear, we’re not talking about modernized ones yet, there’s nothing to modernize yet. If they do appear Drones SSA, “faithful followers”, and if the ability to effectively manage them is established.

Overall, it looks more like a waste of budget than further development of the F-22 as a combat aircraft.

The F-35 “Ferrari” will likely become a “nearly” sixth-generation fighter with improved stealth coating and the ability to control unmanned aerial vehicles. It’s not much, as they say, but it’s worth taking a closer look.

The Ferrari will have improved sensors and targeting mechanisms. The F-35 will become a “flying supercomputer,” also utilizing artificial intelligence and possibly even a quantum computer in the cockpit.

Will these programs be completed on time and within budget? Oh, there’s so much to consider here... But there’s one thorny issue: the cost and risk of delays in the delivery of the new aircraft, which would lead to schedule slippage, as is typical for the United States, are real.

The F-47 NGAD is promised to be airborne within the next two years, although the first flight date of 2028 may be… somewhat optimistic. The B-21 program is currently on schedule and within budget, with two Raider bombers already flying, but that doesn’t guarantee the outcome everyone expects.

These ultra-stealthy aircraft are an integral part of the Air Force’s future doctrine. They are capable of suppressing enemy air defenses, destroying aircraft on the ground, and bombing other military infrastructure. As first-strike weapons, according to the concept, they will strike first and destroy everything in their path.

On the second day of combat operations, the updated F-22 and F-35 will enter the fight, and we should not forget about the devastating bombing and missile strikes from the B-52J, which could also happen.

It won’t be easy; everyone understands it; the whole world has learned to draw plans and pretty pictures. But for the last 20 years, everyone’s had problems with implementation—well, really, everyone has. True, the more a product “has no analogues...”, the more problems it has. Sometimes you think: if only there were analogues, it wouldn’t have turned out so crookedly.

This applies to many countries, but for the United States, all of the above is especially relevant, as the American defense procurement system depends on an extensive supplier network, adequate funding from Congress, and the support of a president and voters who understand the value of the principle of “Peace through Strength.” Even the Russian public procurement system, which can hinder almost anything, is failing here, but at least in our country, equipping our armed forces is not dependent on political factors.

As for them, yes, President Donald Trump may support a policy of increasing military power and strengthening the Air Force, but in 2029 the United States will have a new president and commander-in-chief. With all the ensuing consequences.

This person may have different priorities. The composition of the House of Representatives and Senate will likely change after the 2026 midterm elections. Voters prioritize inflation and affordability over defense and foreign policy.

While Trump focuses on his international peacekeeping “achievements” and efforts to end wars, the American public is more preoccupied with problems in the kitchen than with a significant military buildup. Moreover, what will the new president support in 2029?

Armchair strategists assume the next conflict will involve China, but what if that doesn’t happen? More precisely, China certainly won’t attack the US; they have no need for it whatsoever. Many in the world understand this, and even in the US, it’s slowly beginning to dawn on them that all the cries of imminent Chinese aggression aren’t so much the work of the devil, but rather the work of someone looking to profit from it.

And there’s a certain parity here: the US won’t interfere with China; they really don’t have the strength. The PLA would crush any landing force into bloody pulp simply because it would be operating on its own shores. Taiwan is no exception; everything is right next to them, unlike the Americans. And China isn’t eager to attack the US, and it won’t.

Of course, there’s Japan, an American ally, whose prime minister, bitten by some unknown enemy, is trying to completely ruin relations between China and Japan, and she’s quite successful at it. But even there, the US won’t have time to fight unless Comrade Xi decides to go to war himself, asking his friend Kim, who will wipe out Japan along with his entire navy...

So the Asian vector of the app is, well, it’s questionable...

There might be another bombing of Iran to prevent Tehran from developing new nuclear weapons. But I don’t even know what to compare it to or what to call it.

But the presence of an external threat will, indeed, mean that a “new-model” Air Force will become indispensable. However, the White House’s recently released national security plan also emphasizes strengthening its position in the Western Hemisphere.

This is more of a task for the US Navy and Marine Corps, especially given that Trump is considering an attack on Venezuela or other covert actions to change the regime of President Nicolás Maduro. So, the fact that things have been quiet with Venezuela for now doesn’t mean anything. In Central America, there’s Cuba, there’s Nicaragua, so there are plenty of weaker countries to engage.

AP, some in the US still believe that Russia could also strike a NATO member in Europe within the next ten years. This would give the Air Force an opportunity to operate in the European theater, but for the life of me, I don’t understand why the US Air Force would want to do this.

Let’s leave aside what’s happening domestically and ignore the changing threat landscape. Drawing up a new threat requires three to four days of intensive analytical work for a good five-person team, complete with justification and analytical calculations. But we’re talking about airplanes...

All “New Look” aircraft could be ready by 2035. The key word is “could.” This would be a huge achievement for the US military and a likely outcome given exemplary political leadership and an “America First” defense strategy that lives up to expectations. But I emphasize—if everything works out.

A possible scenario is that the F-47 NGAD and B-21 will enter serial production in the early 2030s, with some numbers fully operational by 2035. Okay, so the F-22 Super and F-35 Ferraris aren’t as important as the F-47 and B-21.

Yes, the existing F-22 and F-35 will require some upgrades, but only in case something goes wrong. That’s a certainty, however, so funds will have to be spent on both old and new aircraft.

The B-52J will play a lesser role, and I don’t think it will be ready for combat in 2035. Judging by what happened to the fifty-year-old An-22 in the Ivanovo region, the B-52J may be more dangerous to its own forces than to the enemy.

But exorbitant costs could curtail the BBC’s wish list. A closer look reveals a rather intriguing economic picture:

The F-47 and B-21 will each cost $100 billion. That means the two programs will cost $200 billion.

The Super and Ferrari upgrades for the F-22 and F-35 could cost approximately $500 million each, while the B-52 upgrade will cost an additional $100 million. The total cost is approximately $1,1 billion.

The total cost is about $201 billion. That’s just for acquisitions, not including maintenance, research and development, and testing and evaluation costs. But seriously, that’s just pennies.

This amount represents approximately one-fifth of the annual defense budget, if we take into account the initial costs rather than the cumulative investment over the entire cycle.

Is the United States prepared to spend that kind of money on the Air Force alone? It’s doubtful. It’s unlikely the Air Force will get everything it wants.

It’s understood that $100,000,000,000 is a lot. In our case, we need twice that amount, so 100 F-47s and 100 I-21s by 2035 is a very large and expensive goal. But implementing this in metal will be very difficult, so the Air Force will likely receive the new aircraft in small quantities, no more than 20-25. That is, not enough to wage full-scale wars.

But even this approach will ultimately make the F-35 and F-22 obsolete, and the Air Force will have to make do with what it has and spend money on upgrading and further maintaining the fleet of these aircraft.

There is, of course, a cost-saving option: getting rid of the F-22, something the Air Force has long dreamed of. But then everything becomes completely strange and questionable.

Aircraft already in service (let’s not even mention the F-15 and F-16, though they’re quite capable fighters) could become dominant in the air if given the opportunity. But the Air Force is strapped for cash and will have to choose the most cost-effective options for the future.

The F-47 NGAD, B-21 Raider, F-22 Super, and F-35 Ferrari, as well as the B-52J, would theoretically constitute a formidable force of aircraft, but acquiring them in full is overkill. The amount of money required is so significant that it’s important to remember that these programs could be delayed, which, as is typical for the US, will lead to increased implementation costs.

In other words, it won’t fly.

While the Air Force deserves credit for its ambitious wish list aimed at countering the rise of great powers around the world, it’s important to remember the domestic political pressures and budgetary concerns that could lead to some of these programs being scaled back or even cancelled. Given how Trump himself sometimes gets carried away, it’s easy.

The “new look” of the Air Force hasn’t been finalized yet, but it will be... If not as formidable as before, then just as expensive. Even taking into account the limited number of new aircraft and upgrades.

So it is that Eastwood thinks that the US’s plans for the Airforce “won’t fly” because “the amount of money required is so “significant”. But it’s not just money — it’s also the irrationality of the defense (or , more correctly, “offense”) strategy, which plans for wars based on the conflicts of the past but with technology that hasn’t been developed.

The US Navy dreams of the carrier battles of 1943. The Air Force dreams of P51s battling FW190s over Germany in 1944. The Marines watch too much TV.

Consider that the F35, the world’s most expensive fighter program is still only operational half the time and its stealth while good requires optimum conditions and maintenance. Practically speaking, it simply can’t do what it is supposed to. So, the US is going to ‘upgrade” it? Or replace it with a new boondoggle?

If Mamdani only wins, without crushing - he lost

-Roy Sigham billions. -Freebies for all. -Knocking on 3 million doors. -Sliwa swallowing votes. -Liberal anti Trump wave in NYC.LaMarina (talk) 21:13, November 4, 2025 (EST)

Just the News: Socialist Zohran Mamdani crushes Cuomo in NYC mayoral race. GOP is losing the economic vote among GenZers (who are the majority now). RobSZelensky Must Go! 00:11, November 5, 2025 (EST)
Mark Wauck: NYT: Trump - Mamdani Voters Are A Thing.
This would tend to confirm what I quoted Robert Barnes saying last week, that GOPers were losing with “new Trump” voters. Major parts of the traditional Dem base turned out for Mamdani—of course. On the other hand, the “new Trumpers”—Hispanics and Muslims and various Asians—who had defected from the Dems to Trump over domestic issues (crime, borders, economy) appear to have returned to the Dems. Why? The economy and Trump’s denialism has to be considered a major factor. But Trump’s strong foreign policy identification with the Anglo-Zionist targeting—ranging from tariffs and the accompanying rhetoric, to killing for sport on the high seas, to genocide—of, let’s see, Asians, Hispanics, and Muslims has to have been a factor, as well. I don’t see Trump - Mamdani voters voting GOP in the midterms at this point....
Can the GOP distance themselves from the Big Tech/Big Money cabal and embrace the Great Unwashed? Can redistricting somehow save the House for the GOP? These are big questions. If the answers are ‘No,’ Trump probably faces impeachment and the country will face political, social, and economic turmoil...."
RobSZelensky Must Go! 09:42, November 5, 2025 (EST)
Townhall: Last Night Was a Bloodbath for Republicans. They Were Blown Out Everywhere.
Lessons probably not learned for CP: Divisive hatemongering pays off for the Dems, again.
Dem BLOWOUT: Latinos, Young Men ABANDON MAGA
The worst part is Virginia, they elected lunatic Jay Jones who want children of his opponent to be dead as well police officers during 2020 BLM riots as new Attorney General --Alex Kosh (talk) 10:19, November 5, 2025 (EST)
As Russia rejects communism, America embraces it. The Socialist Mirage: New York’s Fall and America’s Warning From capitalism’s capital to socialism’s cautionary tale. RobSZelensky Must Go! 10:52, November 5, 2025 (EST)
Post Millennial: Dem trans activist wins mayoral race in PA. Daily Caller: Mamdani's Socialist Group Seizes Local Offices Across US.
The "sense of urgency" is coming too late. RobSZelensky Must Go! 10:57, November 5, 2025 (EST)
I have a confession to make. There's a big part of me who's glad Mamdani won. Even when you take into account what he says he stands for, he's still the lesser evil compared to Cuomo. Mamdani's a young idealist, and hopefully he will grow out of his radical beliefs. Cuomo on the other hand is a cold-blooded career politician who has a track record of tyranny and death. Surely I'm not the only one who feels that way (too bad Trump didn't). And I wouldn't be surprised if a good number of Republicans who otherwise would've voted for Sliwa voted for Mamdani to stop Cuomo, rather than vice versa.--Geopolitician (talk) 13:15, November 5, 2025 (EST)
The result is psychological nationwide: It gives added impetus to Progressives. Obama, AOC, et al are reinvigorated. It also shows many conservatives and MAGA types have been living in denial and dreamland with all fake news headlines about the demise of the Democrat Party for a generation.
Speciifically about NYC: The Trump DOJ will probably try to tie his administration and him personally up in lawfare, subverting his ambitions as they did Trump 1.0. IOWs, he could come out a winner if he's prevented from implementing his promises/threats, and disaster is avoided. RobSZelensky Must Go! 15:24, November 5, 2025 (EST)
Americans for Limited Government: Democrats Overperformed By Double Digits In NJ, VA Routs With Congressional Midterms Just 12 Months Away. RobSZelensky Must Go! 17:13, November 5, 2025 (EST)
Soros is celebrating? I take it back, then.--Geopolitician (talk) 18:18, November 5, 2025 (EST)
Robert Barnes On The Elections. RobSZelensky Must Go! 20:56, November 5, 2025 (EST)
Foreign policy HUBRIS and MAGA division w/ Robert Barnes. RobSZelensky Must Go! 01:17, November 13, 2025 (EST)

Trump to Reclassify Marijuana at Federal Level!

Pretty vulgar stereotype of young people to try and win back their vote. Maybe he belongs on stage with Hillary & Bernie. RobSRecovering Republican 02:12, December 13, 2025 (EST)

AI and the Donald Trump cult of personality

How does Donald Trump view AI: "Donald Trump's views on artificial intelligence (AI) are predominantly positive and strategic, emphasizing its potential as a driver of U.S. economic growth, national security, and global competitiveness—particularly against China. He has described AI as a "superpower" while acknowledging its "alarming" capabilities and risks, such as deepfakes potentially triggering conflicts like nuclear war. Throughout his political career, Trump has advocated for deregulation to accelerate innovation, criticizing oversight as an obstacle, and has actively used AI-generated content in his communications. His stance has evolved from foundational policies in his first term (2017–2021) to more aggressive deregulation and promotion in his second term (2025 onward)." Conservative (talk) 21:55, November 14, 2025 (EST)
Trump has withdrawn support & endorsement from two Conservative of the Year winners, Marjorie Taylor Greene & Thomas Massie.
You chose the wrong gay bathhouses to fall in love with. You didn't do your due diligence.
We have reached the crisis point where User:Conservative must now confront and decide between his own personal "conservative" principles and a cult of personality. All indications are that he has tossed his conservative principles in the trash in favor of joining the Hitler Youth. RobSZelensky Must Go! 03:43, November 15, 2025 (EST)
This President is such a coward. At least Bill Buckley had the courage to say that he was trying to purge "fascists" from the conservative movement during his crusade against the JBS. Trump can't even do that, because he knows that would instantly turn much of his base against him. So now he's gaslighting them into thinking it's about longtime supporters suddenly and inexplicably becoming haters. And he's deluded himself into thinking that won't cost the GOP the midterms.--Geopolitician (talk) 10:03, November 15, 2025 (EST)
IMO, he's overestimating his ability to shape public opinion. Of course, he'll always have unprincipled cultsts like User:Conservative who are willing to jump off the cliff while 'Seig Heiling'. RobSZelensky Must Go!
Word is, Rubio & Keith Kellogg were picked by Miriam Adelson as a condition of her $250 million donation. Most presidents actually do not get to pick all members of their cabinet. RobSZelensky Must Go! 14:03, November 15, 2025 (EST)
In Trump 1.0, Trump picked Rex Tillerson as SoS. Tillerson is guy who made Vladimir Putin by negotiating with him the Sakhalin II deal. Trump wanted to make peace with Russia, but after Comey, et al, offed Mike Flynn, it made Tillerson useless.
What can be said now? Trump has made an accommodation with the Deep State? (except for those who conspired against him)? The accommodation was obvious (and the knowledge that Trump would be re-elected) since May 2024, when David Cameron visited Mar-a-Lago and Trump wasn't investigated or charged with a Logan Act violation. RobSZelensky Must Go! 14:35, November 15, 2025 (EST)
This is a complete mishandling of the MTG situation. Rather than withdraw his support, he should have appointed her UN Ambassador or Ambassador to Togo or something. RobSZelensky Must Go! 00:49, November 16, 2025 (EST)
This was a big time screw up. First he withdraws his support from MTG over her insistence on a vote over the Epstein Files, then he flip-flops on releasing the Epstein Files. He owes her an apology, an invitation to the Oval Office, and probably the Presidential Medal of Freedom, as well. RobSZelensky Must Go! 13:10, November 18, 2025 (EST)

Mexico rebels against Claudia Sheinbaum

Thousands of Mexicans from Gen Z stormed and attacked National palace to revolt against Claudia Sheinbaum and accused her for being too resilient with cartels, who killed another mayor.

Thousands protest crime and corruption in Mexico City as ‘Gen Z’ protests gain momentum

--Alex Kosh (talk) 12:24, November 16, 2025 (EST)

Sounds like a CIA-directed communist plot. RobSZelensky Must Go! 14:19, November 16, 2025 (EST)
Claudia Sheinbaum is already communist --Alex Kosh (talk) 15:15, November 16, 2025 (EST)
Yah, a regime change operation in Mexico doesn't make a lot of sense. But the idiots in charge of US foreign policy & the intelligence community, getting young people to pressure the Mexican government to expand federal power outside Mexico City (which is probably economically impossible) they probably regard as a good idea.
IOWs, anything billed as a "spontaneous" youth rebellion - be it in Bangladesh, Napal, Indonesia, Malaysia, Armenia, Ecuador, etc, - is suspect. RobSZelensky Must Go! 15:27, November 16, 2025 (EST)
Israel strongly condemns the anti-Semitic and sexist insults directed at the President of Mexico.
Could be an effort to stir up sentiment against Spanish speaking people. RobSZelensky Must Go! 21:05, November 16, 2025 (EST)
Zerohedge: Beginning Of A Revolution? Populist Revolt Shocks Mexico.
I dunno; I'm still not convinced it looks organic. RobSZelensky Must Go! 09:34, November 17, 2025 (EST)
hmmm, As Trump's economic policies finally deliver real gains to working Americans, British intelligence has launched a new operation—targeting Gen Z and MAGA's youth wing.
"Charlie Kirk's death had to be the end of the youth wing of MAGA. Thus, you see the exaggerated media push around Fuentas, the Marjorie Taylor Green split, the Candace Owens raves, and the emergence of Zohran Mamdani as the new promoted champion of alienated and desperate young people. All of it is aimed at splintering MAGA and particularly this very significant force of organized young people. As the blogger Tom Luongo characterized the last month, happy holidays from your friends at Langley and GCHQ...." RobSZelensky Must Go! 14:22, November 17, 2025 (EST)
Gen-Z protests in Mexico or coordinated chaos?
A Looming Mexican Coup?

Jasmine Crockett offers pathetic explanation for wrongly accusing Republicans of taking money from Jeffrey Epstein

Jasmine Crockett offers pathetic explanation for wrongly accusing Republicans of taking money from Jeffrey Epstein https://nypost.com/2025/11/20/us-news/jasmine-crockett-gives-pathetic-explanation-for-falsely-accusing-republicans-of-accepting-money-from-epstein/

She didn't even apologize.Telling (talk) 01:30, November 21, 2025 (EST)

Filthy Chomsky: anti-Istael, anti-Zionist chummy with convicted Epstein

The Unmasking of Noam Chomsky: A Dirty Alliance with Jeffrey Epstein and Fanatical Anti-Israel Stance. Dianne3000 (talk) 21:44, November 23, 2025 (EST)

28 pt peace plan

It used to be 20, now its 28. The added points allow for Zelensky et al to flee with their cash.

NATO is approaching its Saigon/Kabul moment. RobSZelensky Must Go! 18:43, November 19, 2025 (EST)

The Golden Toilet scandal.

MTG resigns

MTG is resigning effective January 5. She's had enough of the betrayals.

Trump has until then to fix this. If MTG goes, his base will never forgive him. And his presidency will be over.--Geopolitician (talk) 22:35, November 21, 2025 (EST)

He's already a lame duck. Why he's trying to expand his "base" among neocons. liberals, warmongers, Democrats, etc. is prolly related to establishing some sort of legacy, or still running for the Nobel Peace Prize. Who knows? RobSZelensky Must Go! 22:40, November 21, 2025 (EST)
It's a bit late for that. The damage is already done. How's that for a non-apology "apology" - blaming the victim. "She just needed sometime off". It's easier to admit a mistake than to try and cover it up. RobSZelensky Must Go! 14:19, November 23, 2025 (EST)
NYT: The new strategy is a true break from the failed bipartisan post-Cold War foreign policy consensus. [2]
So Trump has come around to Marjorie Taylor Greene's way of thinking. It's a bit too late, after unnecessarily creating an internecine conflict. RobSRecovering Republican 00:43, December 7, 2025 (EST)
Can someone get that unwarranted attack on MTG (the one calling her a "useful idiot") off MPR?--Geopolitician (talk) 18:34, December 8, 2025 (EST)
We're not even engaged in petty partisanship anymore. We like marginalizing ourselves further when Trump's approval is down to 36%. RobSRecovering Republican 18:38, December 8, 2025 (EST)
My God. I assumed it was Conservative who put that smear up. It was actually Andy who did it. Or at least I think it was, considering he's the one who added it to the MTG article. Now what?--Geopolitician (talk) 22:36, December 8, 2025 (EST)
According to Lesley Stahl, Greene is the only Republican to refer to the "Gaza genocide", so it creates the question of who is being a useful idiot of the liberal media, MTG or her critics. RobSRecovering Republican 03:27, December 9, 2025 (EST)
This year has been a real eye-opener as to who you can and cannot criticize in Washington. If you support Israel, you can get away with stuff like leaking texts between private individuals to the liberal media, knowing that the conversation(s) if made public would likely incite left-wing violence against those private individuals, and right after Charlie Kirk's assassination of all times, and still keep your job. But if you so much as fundamentally critique Israeli foreign policy in any way whatsoever, you're publicly labeled a traitor and then you're gone. And yet older conservatives still wonder while younger conservatives are growing to hate Israel on an almost visceral level.--Geopolitician (talk) 12:15, December 9, 2025 (EST)
should have left this sleeping dog lie.

Finally: Trump designates (after exposed Qatar's $20B to Islamicize US universities) Muslim Brotherhood FTO

Qatar's Shadow Empire Crumbles. Trump's Explosive Terror Strike: Muslim Brotherhood To Be Declared a Foreign Terror Organization. President Trump ignites the final assault on the Muslim Brotherhood, branding them terrorists to dismantle their pro-Hamas "civilization jihad" and expose Qatar's billions flooding US campuses with radical influence, will democracy's defenders prevail against this global menace?[3]Telling (talk) 00:57, November 24, 2025 (EST)

Yes, it's been a long time in coming. Now what do we do with all the Muslim Brotherhood appointees Obama made in the federal government? RobSZelensky Must Go! 07:16, November 25, 2025 (EST)

Tennessee 7th Congressional District

Very consequential. NYT. Epps won. No one expected the 22 points margin Trunp got Nov/2024.Telling (talk) 17:31, December 3, 2025 (EST)

But I think the GOP outspent Dems to get to a mere 9-point margin. In the midterms, Dems will have a big spending advantage.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 00:37, December 4, 2025 (EST)

We need a shovel

Rubio negotiating with disgraced Zelenksy regime chief-of-staff Andrei Yermak during Geneva Peace Talks to end the NATO war in Ukraine just hours before Yermak's firing on corruption charges for theft of US taxpayer dollars in Ukraine aid. [1]

The BS is getting too deep.

"In ten years, Ukraine's GDP could exceed Russia's". - Rubio [4]

This is what happens when you allow yourself to be manipulated by lies and propaganda - now they think know you are really stupid and will believe anything. The helplessness is like battered-wife syndrome. RobSZelensky Must Go! 02:03, December 3, 2025 (EST)

InfoDefenseENGLISH: Rubio talking to Hannity on FOX [5]
"Rubio isn’t an idiot, and Hannity isn’t either (probably). But you have to keep in mind who their audience is: a whole crowd of blissfully ignorant, uneducated… well, you know.
"Still, this clip gives a pretty clear sense of just how much deliberate damage the deep state and the military-industrial complex have inflicted on the American psyche."
RobSZelensky Must Go! 10:25, December 3, 2025 (EST)
Compared to the people they're deceiving, Rubio and Hannity aren't idiots. But compared to people like us who see through the BS? They absolutely are.--Geopolitician (talk) 22:05, December 6, 2025 (EST)
IMO, he's giving cover to all the nazisymps who posted blue & yellow emojis on their social media accounts. It's like the German Nazis whispered to each other in the early days of NATO, "We'll get 'em next time". RobSRecovering Republican 23:04, December 6, 2025 (EST)
It would be nice if the Secretary of State and National Security Advisor was briefed beforehand about who he was negotiating with, unless he's part of the facade.
"Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner have already reached agreements with President Vladimir Putin. The negotiations chaired by Mario [sic] Rubio are merely a diversion." [6]

Report links (Iran's) Hezbollah to global ransomware group

Report links Hezbollah to global ransomware group. Researchers identified a Lebanese computer engineering student as the leader of the Iranian terror proxy's offensive cyber arm.

My response: duh, what a "surprise."LaMarina (talk) 13:24, December 5, 2025 (EST)

Palestinian Official Calls Drop Site Fake-News Founder an ‘Apologist’ for Hamas, Ex-Obama Aides Anti Trump Say They ‘Love’ the Site

Ben Rhodes is the Assistant to the President for Strategic Communications and Speechwriting, and Deputy National Security Advisor to Susan Rice. Rhodes is also the brother of David Rhodes, President of CBS News.

Palestinian Official Calls Drop Site News Founder an ‘Apologist’ for Hamas, Ex-Obama Aides Say They ‘Love’ the Site. Algemeiner "Pod Save America" is a staunch anti Trump propaganda. Telling (talk) 17:22, December 5, 2025 (EST)

Ben Rhodes is one of the ex-officials (plural) named. RobSRecovering Republican 17:36, December 6, 2025 (EST)
Yes. Rhodes is!Telling (talk) 18:49, December 6, 2025 (EST)

Ben Rhodes an openly PALESTINE FIRSTER Palestine FirstersTelling (talk) 00:47, December 16, 2025 (EST)

The Islamist "progressive" runnin' her mouth. Again...

Deep State propagandist Margaret Brennan.

Ilhan Omar Strikes Again. Ilhan Omar Sparks Firestorm After Comparing Stephen Miller’s Rhetoric to Nazi-Era Language | WATCH. Ilhan Omar ignited fresh controversy by comparing Trump aide Stephen Miller’s immigration rhetoric to language once used by Nazi Germany, sparking fierce backlash online and renewed debate over political discourse, antisemitism, and U.S. immigration policy. JFeed It's also a diversion from the no.1 fraud of 1 $B...Telling (talk) 17:46, December 7, 2025 (EST)

I don't understand the use of the word, "incoming", twice in the article. The article is dated December 2025. RobSRecovering Republican 19:12, December 7, 2025 (EST)
I watched the interview and liberal Margaret Brennan, typically, did not push back.Ilhan Omar Attempts To Paint Alleged Perpetrators Of $1,000,000,000 Fraud Scheme Into VictimsLaMarina (talk) 05:35, December 8, 2025 (EST)
  • Brennan is probably the most radical Sunday Show's remnants on major TV networks, today.Dianne3000 (talk) 08:23, December 8, 2025 (EST)

Why is Erdogan's Turkey (still) in NATO

I asked this many, no one knows why...

Qatar, Turkey trying to dissuade Hamas from disarming, as Phase II of ceasefire still under discussion. And Trump trusts the Qatari fake allies???Dianne3000 (talk)

Why does NATO exist at all? RobSRecovering Republican 10:54, December 8, 2025 (EST)
Massie submits bill to withdraw US from NATO.
Evidentially Raytheon & Lockheed Martin are not Massie donors.
See how that works? Congress authorizes the Pentagon to spend money. The Pentagon grants Raytheon a contract for billions of dollars in equipment outright abandoned in Afghanistan or proven to be junk in Ukraine. Raytheon kicksback or launders the money into a candidate's election campaign. And it's all paid by the taxpayer.
Mind you, Pentagon or defense spending is unaffected by inflation. "Baseline budgeting" does not cause the War Dept. to cutback when prices rise. It rather forces all consumers (not just taxpayers) to absorb rising prices and lower living standards. This is the true source of the psyop against the American people known as the "Russian boogeyman" we've known for decades and decades. RobSRecovering Republican 20:14, December 10, 2025 (EST)
Want proof? When the Cold War ended, inflation and government deficits ("military Keynesianism") ended. When NATO enlargement and NATO's first war of aggression against Kosovo began, budget deficits and inflation returned.
Switzerland reduces F-35 buy after $610 million price hike.
Shrinkflation. The contractors and workers still get paid at the original price agreed upon when the contract was made, but the taxpayers of Switzerland get fewer jets delivered for the same price as originally agreed upon. RobSRecovering Republican 06:02, December 13, 2025 (EST)

LOL: who NBC's Welker cites as a "source"

"Quoting Gaza Health Ministry is Like Quoting MS-13's Welfare Stats" | WATCH

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Kudos to Leiter. LaMarina (talk) 13:55, December 10, 2025 (EST)

Hamas' Gaza 'Health Ministry' Starved Its Own People to Fuel the Palestinian Genocide Lie Machine - Pallyweid

Hamas' Gaza 'Health Ministry' Starved Its Own People to Fuel the Palestinian Genocide Lie Machine [Pallyweid]

In a sickening expose that obliterates the blood libel of "Israeli genocide" in Gaza, Palestinian activists have revealed how Hamas' terrorist-run "Ministry of Health" deliberately hoarded tons of baby formula and nutritional aid—starving Gazan infants and children—to manufacture a fake famine and demonize Israel on the world stage.

This isn't mere negligence—it's genocidal propaganda by design. While the Hamas-controlled ministry fed the global "Pallywood" machine with images of emaciated babies and fabricated starvation statistics, its clandestine warehouses overflowed with life-saving supplies, hidden away to perpetuate suffering and amplify the genocidal lie against the Jewish state.

As Gaza-born anti-Hamas activist Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib—who lost 31 family members since October 7—revealed in December 2025: Hamas "deliberately hid literal tons of infant formula and nutritional shakes for children" in Health Ministry warehouses to "worsen the hunger crisis and initiate a disaster as part of the terror group’s famine narrative."

The goal? Engineer heartbreaking photos of starving children to neutralize Israel's defense, rally Western dupes, and pressure for UN aid control—bypassing mechanisms like the U.S.-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.

What a complete "shock."Dianne3000 (talk)

Pallyweid VS Islamic Genocide

No Qatar money to organize "angry" protesting real genocides...

More People Died in 1 Month in One City in Sudan Than in Entire Gaza War. No rallies, no protests, no interest. December 8, 2025 by Daniel Greenfield. [8]LaMarina (talk) 22:59, December 10, 2025 (EST)

Sean Foo: U.S. Begins Unthinkable MONEY PRINTING — USD Collapses As Great Melt-Up Accelerates

In a big update, the Fed has officially cut interest rates. However, the bigger crisis is how the Fed is starting to print money by buying up $40 billion in short-term Treasury bills. The inflation crisis has begun.

RobSRecovering Republican 13:05, December 11, 2025 (EST)

RobSRecovering Republican 15:17, December 11, 2025 (EST)

Marjorie Taylor Greene Stands With Code Pink Traitors: “I have enjoyed a friendship with Medea for a few years now”

Marjorie Taylor Greene Stands With Code Pink Traitors: “I have enjoyed a friendship with Medea for a few years now”. Turncoat Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) is earning her “traitor” nickname from President Donald Trump, posing with her new friend Susan “Medea” Benjamin, co-founder of the terrorist allied communist front group, Code Pink. Code Pink last made headlines by ambushing Trump at a D.C. restaurant in September, calling him “the Hitler of our time. - Oh, just wow.LaMarina (talk) 17:44, December 11, 2025 (EST)

Turning the peace movement into a partisan issue is doomed to failure. It commits the war party to losing another war. RobSRecovering Republican 22:08, December 11, 2025 (EST)
"Peaceful" Code Pink has identified with Al Qaeda and is pro Hamas.LaMarina (talk) 04:09, December 12, 2025 (EST)
So is al Sharaa, Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton and Jake Sullivan. Big deal. As to Hamas, they were supposed to wiped out in 90 days two years ago. Natanyahu is starting to look like Putin. RobSRecovering Republican 05:19, December 12, 2025 (EST)

Tootie Fruitie O'Rutte is full of liberal claptrap

[9] RobSRecovering Republican 05:33, December 12, 2025 (EST)

Trump should fire him before this insanity goes farther. RobSRecovering Republican 21:08, December 12, 2025 (EST)

Two US service members killed in Syria. [10]

Hegseth: attack by "partner forces". [11]

Evidently lower level "partner forces" didn't get the memo - they want no part in the homosexual agenda, gay marriage, and transgenderism. Can't blame em - it's not worth risking your life for. RobSRecovering Republican 18:47, December 13, 2025 (EST)

Poll: GOP - strongly Pro Israel. Bigotry among newcomers to the party

Latest poll [12]. BTW, interesting Townhall Bari Weiss w/ Erika Kirk on CBS, earlier...https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kSDBl22q3m4 LaMarina (talk) 03:13, December 14, 2025 (EST)

"Newcomers", you mean the MAGA coalition. RobSRecovering Republican 04:28, December 14, 2025 (EST)
No. Newcomers to MAGA too.LaMarina (talk) 08:56, December 14, 2025 (EST)
Newcomwers to the MAGA coalition won the election.
MAGA =/= GOPe (Republican establishment). RobSRecovering Republican 15:33, December 14, 2025 (EST)
The American Conservative: The Old Guard Is Not the Right’s Future. Only a MAGA leader can hold conservatives together after Trump.
RobSRecovering Republican 10:37, December 15, 2025 (EST)

'British press scoops liberal media'

Poorly worded. The implication is the Daily Mail is not liberal or that it is "conservative", which is highly misleading. It further implies censorship & fake news in the UK is nothing like in the US, whereas the complete opposite is the case (see Trump NSS25}.

We got the goods on the "liberal media"; we don't need to mislead or exaggerate to make the point. It only backfires on ourselves. RobSRecovering Republican 16:17, December 14, 2025 (EST)

Furthermore, the edition posted clearly states, "US Edition", which differs widely from the heavily censored UK Edition.

(During the period of globalization, the Daily Mail and Guardian, two of London's five daily news orgs, set up bureaus in the US to expand their market. These editions published in the US can vary widely from their London counterparts, and often take on news items the US MSM won't in order to carve out a niche for themselves.) RobSRecovering Republican 17:30, December 14, 2025 (EST)

You make interesting points, and your rewording of the headline is fine.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 17:55, December 14, 2025 (EST)
Thx. The Daily Mail & Guardian are now essentially American media.
Any spectacular success in Britain, like The Beatles for example, if it can sweep America is worth 10 times the income. RobSRecovering Republican 18:09, December 14, 2025 (EST)
IMHO. The Guardian is the worst UK press (being radical).

No?Telling (talk) 00:03, December 16, 2025 (EST)

Yes. I don't see as big a difference between the the US & UK editions as you see in the Daily Mail. OTOH, Guardian was one of the few outlets that reported on the rise of the Islamic State with US backing.
Guardian brings that snide, liberal Labour Party attitude to the United States (which most American readers don't recognize) whereas Daily Mail is trying to shed its image as a tabloid rag and be considered a serious news organization. RobSRecovering Republican 05:19, December 16, 2025 (EST)

Rob Reiner

Rob Reiner ("Meathead") was the director of seditionist Senator Slutkin's favorite film, A Few Good Men. [13] They'll probably try to link the murder to MAGA, but appears it may be Reiner's dope connects. RobSRecovering Republican 02:36, December 15, 2025 (EST)

What could be the motive? They were going to throw their 38-year-old son out from living at home? And yes, Trump's Truth Social tweet handled it very badly. RobSRecovering Republican 20:21, December 16, 2025 (EST)

Rob Reiner spearheaded the "Committee to Investigate Russia" with John Brennan and James Clapper pushing the attempt to overthrow the U.S. government after Trump won the 2016 election. [14] RobSRecovering Republican 10:41, December 17, 2025 (EST)

Zelensky translator confuses "troops" with "corpses"

Zelensky announces "Ukrainian and NATO corpses will be manning the line of contact". [15] RobSRecovering Republican 07:03, December 16, 2025 (EST)

Zerohedge: Aussie PM Invokes 'Right-Wing Extremism' After Islamic Terrorist Attack

Another psyop.

RobSRecovering Republican

Naveed Akram connection to Shia Islam seems tenuous. RobSRecovering Republican 06:16, December 18, 2025 (EST)

RINO of the Year 2025

Page is up. Have fun!--Geopolitician (talk) 16:28, December 16, 2025 (EST)

No shortage of nominees this year. RobSRecovering Republican 20:23, December 16, 2025 (EST)

After viciously attacking Trump and conservatives for so long, now Omar plays victim

After viciously attacking Trump and conservatives for so long, now Omar plays victim?? Ilhan Omar Cries To CNN About Trump. Dec. 18, 2025 . Nick Kangadis. Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) takes her complaints to CNN about President Trump and his comments about her and Somali constituents. (Pro-tip: She should only have AMERICAN constituents.) More from MRC.org: PBS Coverage Ignores Islamic Connection in Australia Hanukkah Massacre "On Sunday PBS acted like the good liberal news channel it is by whitewashing the obvious Islamic roots behind the massacre of Jews at an outdoor Hannukah party at Bondi Beach in Australia anti-Semitism to instead discuss wholly unrelated incidents in America, like the decade-old Charlottesville, ignoring that even more virulent anti-Semitism was on display in every march in Australia and even in America for over two years now."LaMarina (talk) 17:45, December 18, 2025 (EST)

Alastair Crooke: Trump Morphs from Asset to Liability for Israel.
hmmm RobSRecovering Republican 19:13, December 18, 2025 (EST)

Norman Podhoretz

RobSRecovering Republican 19:40, December 18, 2025 (EST)

Trump update

Unaddressed.

Recently, Trump was advised to give "fireside chats". That's what last night was supposed to be. It bombed.

Trump is the product of the New York media market. There are two media markets in New York, local and national. He's the product of the local media market. His rise is based on gaining coverage in the local market. He's trying to take it national. We are OD'ing on Trump. Too much. He needs to back off a bit, maybe not as much as Biden's basement strategy, but less can actually be more. RobSRecovering Republican 20:54, December 18, 2025 (EST)

"In November, the number of full-time workers plunged by 983K from September to 134.17 million. At the same time, in the two months since Sept, the number of part-time workers soared by over 1 million (1.025 million to be precise) to 29.486 million…" [16]
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