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Ascent of the RINOs

With the Dems getting more radical all the time, there is no way the sleepy RINOs can appease them. The Bolsheviks turned on their allies the Mensheviks and the Left SRs at Kronstadt, and later on Leon Trotsky, author of the Kronstadt massacre.

With the rise of Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, RINOs are rampant. The endless investigations of Trump were never about his personality, Russia, or his mean tweets. They were always about getting back at America for the 2000 Florida recount, Stacey Abrams, and every other time the Dems lost. See "Wake up, RINOs." PeterKa (talk) 13:17, August 3, 2021 (EDT)

I don't think it was mostly payback for the 2000 election. It is policy differences that was magnified by Trump's online trolling and combativeness. Matters like: trade policy, ceasing of endless wars, NATO reform, cutting down the administrative state, rejecting climate alarmism, law and order, tax policy, political correctness, confronting fake news, school choice, etc.

It's essentially a culture war.

Liz Cheney is losing power and not gaining it. The press and Democrats are just squeezing out some anti-Trumpness from her before she leaves office. Conservative (talk) 20:45, August 3, 2021 (EDT)

I looked at the American Thinker article. There is some truth to what he said, but I think the 2007/2008 financial crises and its after effects caused populists/extremists on the left/right to grow in a more pronounced way.Conservative (talk) 22:18, August 3, 2021 (EDT)

So we have populist insurrections in both camps, the GOP and DNC, lead by Trump and Bernie Sanders, respectively. The establishment DNC has won their insurrection, albeit it was costly in compromise, and there still is pockets of resistance led by AOC. In the GOP, the establishment RNC has been fighting back against Trump since his 2016 nomination, but the skirmishes are ongoing. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:12, August 4, 2021 (EDT)

Adam Kinzinger's truly pathetic display of self-indulgent lachrymosity at the Capitol riot hearings alone should, by rights, bar him from office. When did stoicism become so unfashionable? Did I miss a meeting? And how long do I have to wait before the anglosphere rediscovers the blindingly obvious moral truth that self-indulgence is a form of selfishness so its actually a vice, and certainly not evidence of virtue? -J Psircleback (talk) 03:37, August 7, 2021 (EDT)

CDC extends eviction moratorium, overrides Supreme Court

Who knew the CDC had authority over rents and property? In fact, the Supreme Court just ruled that they don't. Yet the CDC has extended to the eviction moratorium to October 3 on its own authority. All hail CDC head Rochelle P. Walensky! Yesterday she was an obscure bureaucrat. Today she is one of the world's most powerful property moghuls. This is one step further on the road to unconstitutional tyranny than Obama's DACA decision. Biden admits this measure is unconstitutional. Yet he wants to keep it in place while the issue works its way through the courts.

Finally, I have to say, power to the CDC???? This agency made a hash out of managing the epidemic in every possible way. Thanks to this order, they're on to bigger things. To even ask them about covid, vaccines, or lab leaks seems almost irrelevant in view of their awesome authority. See "Thanks to Brett Kavanaugh, We Have the Very Slippery Slope of the New CDC Eviction Order." PeterKa (talk) 22:06, August 4, 2021 (EDT)

And their decision to extend the eviction moratorium was made apparently to appease the whining far-leftists in Congress. [2] —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Thursday, 00:49, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

So the rule of law is suspended; the junta is out of the closet. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:39, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

Kavanaugh told the CDC to go to Congress if it wanted to extend the moratorium. Biden's strategy is all about putting the blame on the courts rather than on moderate Dems in Congress. See this analysis by the always excellent Andrew McCarthy. PeterKa (talk) 17:47, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

You can expect the same defiance as the SCOTUS weighs in on various state election audit disputes. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:06, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

Sarah Palin for Senate?

So far, the news is that a Palin bid for Senate is possible. —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Thursday, 00:58, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

It will be interesting to see if she has the popularity she did when she was the VP candidate for McCain. Her family has completely fallen apart (she and Todd are divorced, her oldest daughter is what we once called a slut, and her son divorced his wife amidst allegations of domestic violence on his part). The liberals will certainly use that to mock her (remember, they can divorce without any problem, conservatives can't), but will it hurt her or help her? Quidam65 (talk) 11:16, August 16, 2021 (EDT)

Bruce Poliquin is running for his old seat

[3] If some of you perhaps may not recall, he was defeated in the 2018 midterms by Jared Golden thanks to ranked-choice voting. Although Golden was re-elected in 2020, ME-2 is probably Lean R and the House seat may very well flip towards the GOP in the 2022 midterms. —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Thursday, 01:05, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

"Setback for liberal hypocrisy"

As is, this is a double negative. It says setback for critics of liberal hypocrisy. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:03, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

I think causes are set back, hence it means "there has been a setback to the cause of advancing, encouraging or increasing hypocrisy by and/or among liberals.' (Hey, if only.) -J Psircleback (talk) 03:01, August 7, 2021 (EDT)

Right. So this headline reads a positive improvement for liberal hypocrites. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 03:30, August 7, 2021 (EDT)

Obama's 60th whacked by covid hysteria

It's a sad day for all of us when a former president can't hold a covid superspreader event at his $12 million Martha's Vineyard estate. "Obama's star-studded 60th birthday party pared back to 'family and close friends' amid Delta surge." If only Obama had said "No" to the covid hysterics, he would have created space for the rest of us. Now it looks like we're back to masked madness. PeterKa (talk) 23:40, August 6, 2021 (EDT)

C'mon now, we should commend Obama for his confidence. Remember, the day he was sworn in the oceans stopped rising. So he bought ocean beachfront property on Martha's Vineyard. Thank God, Obama had the courage to show the planet that the global warming hoax, after his swearing-in and presidency, is just that, a hoax. So he's moved on to another hoax now. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 23:50, August 6, 2021 (EDT)

Despite the fact that Obama announced that the party was cancelled, hundreds of people showed up at his Martha's Vineyard estate anyway, including Nancy Pelosi. What a clever solution. Obama gets to say the right thing. If people come anyway, the least he can do is be a good host.[4] PeterKa (talk) 19:25, August 8, 2021 (EDT)

The problem there is believing anything MSM or Democrat press releases say. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 01:17, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

So he puts a press release vomited back by CNN, then puts a blast text to his friends and says "Come anyway." What else is new? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 01:19, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

Russia returns to Afghanistan

A body of an escapee who clung to the landing gear falls while attempting to flee the Taliban takeover.

The author of the Violence Against Women Act abandoning the women and girls of Afghanistan to the Taliban.

Much of the coverage of Afghanistan is driven by Vietnam analogies. But I think Vietnam is being seriously misremembered. South Vietnam actually stood up quite well for two years after the U.S. pullout. It was only when the U.S. Congress voted to cut military aid from $1.26 billion to $700 million in August 1974 that the country collapsed militarily. The decisive battle was Phuoc Long, which was fought in January 1975. Saigon fell on April 30.

The media is so clueless about Afghanistan than no one seems to realize that these days the Taliban is a Russian proxy. This is evident from the fact that they are most active in the North. The home base of the old Taliban was Kandahar in the South. The Russians and the Taliban forged an alliance in 2014, around the time of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.[5]

There has been little good news to report since Biden's pullout. In the last couple of days, the Taliban has captured two provincial capitals, Zaranj in the southwest and Sheberghan in the north. (Afghanistan has 34 provinces.) The government has launched a counterattack in Zaranj, according to the Afghanistan Times. The U.S. embassy has advised all Americans to leave the country immediately. Meanwhile, the government is recalling the tribal warriors of the 1990s, including Uzbek leader Dostom and Pashtun leader Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. PeterKa (talk) 01:46, August 8, 2021 (EDT)

Two more provincial capitals fell today, including Kunduz. This is the most significant loss since the current Taliban offensive started in May. Kunduz is in the northeast, near the border with Tajikistan. In 2001, it was the last Taliban stronghold to fall to the Northern Alliance. Perhaps Putin wants a belt of territory in the north, like the land he seized in eastern Ukraine. PeterKa (talk) 18:14, August 8, 2021 (EDT)

Given the choice between Russia, the Taliban, and the CCP controlling the global heroin trade (worth $60 billion), I'd opt for Putin. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 01:21, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

Maybe now we have some insight into why Biden lifted sanctions on Nord Stream II and why the U.S. is importing so much oil from Russia since Biden seized power: maybe it was done on the condition that Putin picks up the slack to prevent the Taliban or CCP taking over the global heroin trade. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 01:30, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

Five provincial capitals in two days suggests that the Taliban could take the whole country in two weeks, if you do the math. But Kabul is a city of 5 million these days, compared to 500,000 in 1996 when the Taliban took it last time. So the government may be able to survive there. PeterKa (talk) 01:51, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

That is essentially what happened after the Soviet-Afghan war, too. IMO, it's more telling about the nature of the territory drawn on maps that we call "Afghanistan", than Afghanistan resembling anything near to what we also call a "nation state". Trying to force the peoples residing in those territories to conform to the rest of the planet's expectation of what is required of a 20th or 21st century nation-state is like trying to fit a round peg into a square hole. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:41, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

Afghanistan has no "national identity." Many of the people living there never heard of Afghanistan. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:46, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

Go ahead, try to explain to someone living in Helmond province that they are an "Afghan". Good luck. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:49, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

According to today's Wall Street Journal, the Afghan government holds only the country's four major cities at this point: Kabul, Kandahar, Herat, and Mazar-e-Sharif. Everything except Kabul is either held by the Taliban or being actively contested. It's still a month before Biden's withdrawal deadline, which I was sure would be extended. This issue will get attention when the 20th anniversary of 9/11 rolls around next month. The way things have played out, a lot of that attention will focus on what a mess Biden has made out of Afghanistan. Obama tried this idea in Iraq in 2010, so none of what happened should be a surprise. It was just Qatar financing ISIS whereas the Taliban has Russian backing. PeterKa (talk) 20:30, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

The Anti-Soviet jihad continued after the Russian withdrawal from Afghanistan in 1988 and the collapse of the Soviet Union. Chechen jihadists trained in Afghanistan and took the jihad within Russian Federation borders after 1992. It was veterans of the Chechen jihad that made up the experienced fighters and trainers for ISIS. Of course, the Russians have their own secularized Chechen special forces who they sent into Syria to deal with their fellow countrymen and religious fanatics.

In the Russian army, although being a minority, Chechens occupy the stereotypical role of the mean drill sergeant in a similar way that many African Americans do in the U.S. army. Chechen Muslims come from a warrior culture. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 09:37, August 11, 2021 (EDT)

Today's Wall Street Journal tries to explain the collapse of the Afghan government forces. It says the 350,000-man regular army won't fight without NATO backup. It just runs away when the Taliban appears. Only the special forces are doing any fighting these days. President Ghani wants the army to fight for every village. But there are less than 30,000 special forces, not enough to hold the entire country. They planned to recruit 30,000 special forces from the beginning. But even after twenty years, they never reached that objective. Everyone expects the Taliban to kill them all. PeterKa (talk) 22:09, August 12, 2021 (EDT)

The U.S. has been eager to abandon Afghanistan for a long time. Obama held an exiting ceremony back in 2014. The holdup was that the Taliban refused to the sign a face saving agreement of the kind that the North Vietnamese did in 1973. The Biden administration is using a deal that Trump signed in February 2020 as cover. That seems pretty desperate. When has Biden given Trump credit for anything? Biden announced the withdrawal in April. Taliban replied in May with a general offensive. PeterKa (talk) 21:15, August 12, 2021 (EDT)

Here's is another answer to the question of why the Taliban could conquer Afghanistan so quickly: They probably paid off the regular army commanders. That's the Afghan way. The article gives several examples of this tactic being used in recent years. After Biden closed Bagram air base at the end of June, these commanders may have figured that a Taliban takeover was only a matter of time. Summer is the fighting season. If Bagram had been closed in the fall, the government would have had a few months to to prepare for the Taliban's next offensive. Everything seems to have been timed for the enemy's convenience. The U.S. military is now infected with CRT believers. It's not hard to imagine that such people are also Taliban sympathizers. PeterKa (talk) 22:22, August 15, 2021 (EDT)

So we have a fundamental problem to face. For 20 years, America tried to create a "national identity" in Afghanistan where none existed, while we demonize "nationalism" here at home as racist. Without a national identity, society reverts to tribalism. And do not tell me that Joseph R. Biden does not understand any of this - he called himself a social engineer in his 1975 NPR interview with David Ensor when he was trying to repeal portions of the 1964 Civil Rights Act - his exact words "we social planners", [6] spoken by one of the youngest senators in U.S. history. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:14, August 16, 2021 (EDT)

It wasn't that long ago that the Taliban was locked in a life-or-death struggle with the Islamic State. Trump dropped an enormous bomb on IS to the help the Taliban out. How did 70,000 Taliban defeat 300,000 Afghan National Army soldiers? The army was a lot easier to defeat than IS. The Taliban sent out WhatsApp messages as if they were already in control and give people numbers to surrender to.[7] No one wants to surrender last. PeterKa (talk) 13:59, August 16, 2021 (EDT)

According to the transcript of the July 23, 2021 Biden/Ghani phone call, Biden said,

"we will continue to provide close air support, if we know what the plan is and what we are doing. And all the way through the end of August, and who knows what after that. We are also going to continue to make sure your air force is capable of continuing to fly and provide air support. " [8]

This was 3 weeks after the closure of Bagram without notice. "continue to make sure your air force is capable of continuing to fly," yah right, with maintenance mechanics supplied by single passenger fighters from air carriers.

This call reveals so much, beginning with (a) what a racist scum Biden is thinking 3rd worlders with believe any line of rot, and (2) Afghan exit is the Bay of Pigs on steroids - withdrawing air support from an allied force at the last minute, leading to their slaughter. That is what got JFK killed. "Whoever controls the air controls the ground" - the lesson of WWII. That's how Ghaddaffi was defeated on his home turf without any US or NATO ground troops. The allied "moderate rebels" had US air support.

Nothing surprising happened after the US decision to betray the Afghan allies with the closing of Bagram on July 2. And unlike the Bay of Pigs, the NSC and Pentagon were in on it this time. It was all scripted. The Big Lie being repeated over and over again right now is, "Nobody could foresee the collapse of the Afghan government" - even after Bagram was closed without notice and Ghandi was assured air support by Biden. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:25, September 2, 2021 (EDT)

No covid in mask-free Sweden

What would happen if we didn't panic about covid? Then we would be Sweden. There were eight covid cases in Sweden so far this month. While American lives are sacrificed for drug company profits and to keep China's secrets, Sweden blossoms under the leadership of epidemiological genius Anders Tegnell. PeterKa (talk) 13:21, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

Remember, the same leftists crying crocodile tears over COVID-19 deaths lied about the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine last year because their top priority was sticking to acute TDS. If anyone's responsible for the coronavirus deaths, it's them. —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Tuesday, 15:37, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

There where 'eight Covid deaths in Sweden so far this month. Please read your sources carefully - it is literally in the link you gave! --AugustO (talk) 16:37, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

We can be a bit more scientific about this. Mask-free Sweden is No. 34 is terms of per capita covid deaths with 1,425 deaths per million while mask-obsessive Czech Republic is No. 4 with 2,846 dpm. The U.S. is No. 21 while Germany in No. 46.[9] PeterKa (talk) 18:19, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

Does Sweden have an excellent contract tracing system for coronavirus infections?

The reason I ask is because developed countries have multilayer defenses against coronavirus spreading within their populations. In other words, there is no silver bullet. You can't expect masks or vaccination or another method to be a bullet proof layer of defense. Conservative (talk) 18:37, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

"Until March 12th 2020 all suspected cases among people travelling from affected areas to Sweden were followed up with sampling and contact tracing." See here. PeterKa (talk) 18:41, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

People in Nordic countries tend to be more educated than much the rest of the world and have higher standards of living (see: Protestant cultural legacies). Maybe it just comes down to practicing anti-coronavirus common sense measures and less on government mandated behavior. Conservative (talk) 18:47, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

Sweden is not mask-free. Take a look at the pictures in this article: Sweden, noted for its lax COVID-19 response, never mandated face masks. Now it's dropping its vague recommendation to wear one at all..

Just because masks are not mandated, doesn't mean that all people are not wearing them.

As far as their low coronavirus infection rate, maybe it is partly due to all the fish the Swedes eat that helps to fortify their immune systems. :) Conservative (talk) 18:56, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

A pescatarian diet is a vegetarian diet plus fish.

Consider: "Add this to the long list of reasons to adopt a plant-based or pescatarian diet: New research has found that what you eat — and what you don’t — may lower your odds of developing moderate to severe COVID-19 infection. The study, which was published June 7 in the online journal BMJ Nutrition, Prevention & Health, is the first to report an association between dietary patterns and the severity of COVID-19."[10] (BMJ is the British Medical Journal).

I adopted a pescatarian diet (with the exception of Thanksgiving Day/Christmas). My doctor looked at my blood tests recently as part of my annual checkup and he said my immune system was strong. Conservative (talk) 19:06, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

Governor Andrew Cuomo resigns

A year ago, Andrew Cuomo was receiving an unprecedented Emmy for his performance in the role of New York governor. There was no one the Dems thought more highly of, no one who's covid response was more highly praised. He had served the party for many years. But he was just a white man. The moment Biden clinched the nomination, his usefulness ran out. Attorney General Letitia James other New York politicians ginned up the groping charges. They send a clear message to Biden: Don't even think about running for a second term.

So Cuomo is a pervert who thinks his Emmy statue is "buxom". Do we need an AG report to tell us that? The charges against President Bill Clinton were both more serious and better documented. Groping is a weird thing to focus on when Cuomo has killed thousands by putting covid positive patients into nursing homes. Yet the left has so much control over media that they can keep this issue from even coming up.

Cuomo was being touted as a 2024 presidential candidate. If pro-Harris people planned this hit to knock him out of the race, its peaked too early. As it is, Cuomo can go repent in the wilderness for a while and still make a comeback in time for 2024. When he announced his resignation, he did say this wasn't the end. Cuomo's rise and fall (and possible rise again) invites comparisons with 2008, when the Bush administration set New York Governor Elliot Spitzer up with a hooker sting, possibly at Giuliani's initiative. Cuomo was AG at that time and helped bring Spitzer down. Despite this track record, I don't think of New York Democrats as moralistic. It is more like, the state's politics is infested with backstabbing. PeterKa (talk) 14:48, August 11, 2021 (EDT)

Dick Morris has a realistic theory. [11] RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:44, August 11, 2021 (EDT)

How do Dems keep track of whether they are supposed to support or oppose Cuomo at any given time? The party is set up like a cult. Morris doesn't address the fact that the charges against Cuomo came out immediately after Biden clinched the Democratic nomination. That's what got me thinking that there might be more to this story than meets the eye. PeterKa (talk) 21:50, August 11, 2021 (EDT)

I'd pay attention to where Cuomo lands. His exit was pretty hasty. 2 days ago he vowed to fight, then somebody must have made him a pretty lucrative job offer that pays better than governor. At 62, his days in electoral politics are over, IMO. Now it's a matter of how much cash he can rake in in his waning days. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:49, August 12, 2021 (EDT)

I see Anita Dunn behind this. Dunn and Susan Rice are making all the decisions. Dunn snuffed out Tara Reade's story, and was rewarded with becoming campaign manager after Biden ran 5th in Iowa. From there, she took over sharing presidential decision-making during the transition (Remember Biden's "women hold up half the sky" statement? a direct quote from the Sayings of Chairman Mao scripted by Dunn). Dunn is the ventriloquist, and Rice handles foreign policy. Dunn also is getting all the Maoists appointed to administration offices.

Dunn probably panicked after the White House Press Corps asked if Biden should be investigated for pinching an 8-year-old girls nipple, and told Biden to get on the horn with Cuomo and tell him he's got a job with one of her SKDKnickerbocker clients starting at $2 million a year immediately. And that paves the way for the Maoist takeover of the NY governor's office, as well. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 03:02, August 12, 2021 (EDT)

In the Tara Reade and Creepy Uncle Joe articles, we see how the Democrats formed a non-profit to facilitate #MeToo whistleblowers, with Dunn on the board. Supposedly the group was a "safe space" for sexual abuse survivors; in fact it was a trap for people like Dunn to go to the accused, if they were high-level Democrats, and blackmail them while snuffing out the allegations. If the accused were Republicans, one can imagine the first step would be blackmail, but there would be no lucrative job offers if that failed. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 03:19, August 12, 2021 (EDT)

There is widespread speculation that Cuomo will run for governor in 2022. So the people who should know don't seem think that he made a deal to stay out of politics. It's New York "progressives" like AOC and Letitia Jones who are driving the campaign against Cuomo. PeterKa (talk) 09:22, August 12, 2021 (EDT)

The case against Cuomo is already falling apart. One state trooper Cuomo allegedly harassed was promoted to be Cuomo's driver, Anita Hill style.[12] There are two other ongoing Cuomo investigations we haven't heard from yet, one about covid in the nursing homes. PeterKa (talk) 14:33, August 12, 2021 (EDT)

I just don't see women voters or women officeholders letting that happen. Or the media, for that matter. They already got Biden, Hunter Biden, & Avenatti on their hands. Cuomo is probably the reason we heard rumblings about Kavanaugh two weeks ago, the logic being, "well if a serial rapist gets to stay in office, what's wrong with a guy who likes kissing men at fundraisers?" Democrat logic typically has a short shelf life. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:45, August 12, 2021 (EDT)

Ted Cruz saves the day

According to the Progressive election analyst group Catalist, Democrats are losing support among minorities.

Schumer asked for unanimous consent in the middle of the night to ram through the "For the People Act" which would institutionalize Democrat election fraud throughout the nation. Cruz objected, thank goodness. —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Friday, 15:41, August 13, 2021 (EDT)

This is a bit confusing. There is H.R. 1, the For the People Act, and H.R. 4 the John Lewis Civil Rights Act. H.R. 4, as I understand it, is just a watered down version of H.R.1. It was H.R. 4, I think, they tried to ram through last night. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:29, August 13, 2021 (EDT)

Huh, I may have overlooked the detailed specifics on that. —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Friday, 16:34, August 13, 2021 (EDT)

That's okay, I may have done the same thing on MPR last week. Bottomline - it's all just DNC propaganda, anyway. Pelosi and Schumer knew both bills would fail from the start. H.R. 1 had a title targeted at progressive communists, which they knew would fail. H.R. 4 has the title of the "Civil Rights Act of 2021 named after civil rights leader and icon John Lewis" which racist Republicans voted against, aimed at rallying blacks. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:39, August 13, 2021 (EDT)

So that's why Schumer requested unanimous consent... —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Friday, 16:40, August 13, 2021 (EDT)

Yah, now it's just GOP House members and Cruz who will be criticized as racists for voting against the Civil Rights Act in the 2022 Midterms. The bill was designed to fail. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:04, August 13, 2021 (EDT)

Schumer was actually being courteous to GOP Senators who voted for infrastructure. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:05, August 13, 2021 (EDT)

IOWs, "If you vote for infrastucture, I won't slam you as racist." Such is how D.C. has worked for a long time. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:11, August 13, 2021 (EDT)

The lower the bill number, the higher the priority. So when H.R.1 & H.R.4 are designed to fail, what can we conclude? The Democrats priority is to toss Progressives and Blacks meaningless gestures with, "we tried and failed" while painting Republians as racist for the midterms. What else is new?

So, the Dems "priority" is to posture and position slanders of Republicans as racists for the midterms. That has been their priority since H.R.1, a priority over the budget, trade, the environment, global warming, terrorism, crime, income inequality, women's rights, immigration reform, DACA kids, healthcare, the covid crisis, etc etc etc. You know, business as usual. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:21, August 13, 2021 (EDT)

Republicans have luckily been skyrocketing in support due to terrible policies from the Democrats this decade. The race rhetoric on their end appears to be wearing out. Patriotic Gamer (talk) 19:42, August 13, 2021 (EDT)

The problem is, Democrats have been leaking minority votes for years now. Nobody believes "America is a racist country" since Obama was elected, and Trump cut into the Black vote bigtime. As 2020 demonstrated, Democrats can't rely on the Black vote anymore, and must stuff the ballot box to win. They're desperate, and keeping Blacks on the plantation through fear and threats is all they got left. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:50, August 13, 2021 (EDT)

If the GOP can get Hispanics (and maybe Asians also) on their side, they can turn the tide. Especially Hispanic Catholics who actually attend Mass regularly. Quidam65 (talk) 11:18, August 16, 2021 (EDT)

Asian men in particular tend to be pro-Trump, because they really dislike the political correctness of the Dems. The big push for hate crimes legislation to supposedly protect Asians was politically motivated to try to hold Asian voters for Dems.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 14:52, August 16, 2021 (EDT)

Are we even sure if they tend to be that? Because I definitely know George Takei and Hideo Kojima most certainly weren't pro-Trump and if anything were all for the political correctness of the Dems, and last I checked, those guys were Asian. And that's not even counting Congressman Wu (aka the guy who infamously had a photo of him wearing a Tiger furry costume leaked), who was a huge democrat. Pokeria1 (talk) 19:27, August 16, 2021 (EDT)

How about that communist piece of garbage Ted Lieu? How many Americans died in Vietnam to make him free so that he could come here and spew his communist hate? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:32, August 16, 2021 (EDT)

Biden's Afghanistan speech

Biden was surprisingly articulate in his Afghanistan speech. But what he had to say was ridiculous. Are we to believe that he was forced to withdraw because of the amount of money that has been spent or because of an agreement Trump signed last year? He said "a trillion dollars" like it was a lot of money. This is money spent over a twenty-year period. Biden thinks nothing of adding a trillion to next year's budget to pay for fake infrastructure. The Taliban launches an offensive every summer. It has nothing to do with any agreement that they might have signed with Trump.

Why the obsession with a complete pullout from Afghanistan by September 11? This was all about Biden's image. He was going to speak at a ceremony on September 11 and tell everyone how he was the president who finally ended the Afghan war. A country was sacrificed for a photo op that will never happen. Who's dream is this?

The money issue cuts both ways. If you sacrifice a lot on a project, that's all the more reason to pursue it completion. Pulling out will not bring back money that was already spent. The campaign season in Afghanistan runs from May to October. Delaying the pullout by just a few months would have given the government some breathing room.of

Biden's comments about the Afghans lacking the will to fight were ungracious. Afghanistan is a land of natural soldiers. But the U.S. trained them to fight the American way, with expensive logistical and air support. There were many post in rural areas that were supplied only by air. This support was withdrawn quite suddenly in May and the army ground to a halt. Assuming this explanation is correct, the army's collapse was perfectly predictable. Yet somehow the White House was caught by surprise. PeterKa (talk) 19:36, August 16, 2021 (EcDT)

In one way, this is Vietnam all over again: The client state's army collapsed when logistical support was withdrawn for reasons of U.S. domestic politics. But the North Vietnamese forces that entered Saigon were a modern army with the latest in Soviet equipment. The guerrillas of the Vietcong looms larger in communist propaganda than it ever did as a military force.

In Afghanistan, the Taliban is a primitive, outnumbered force. The Afghan army became dependent on American aid to line the pockets of contractors and other hangers on. The U.S. generals in Afghanistan often saw themselves as future contractors. The Afghans could have retrained to fight without the fancy weapons and their maintenance crews of foreign contractors if given time. PeterKa (talk) 20:35, August 16, 2021 (EDT)

We've all heard the jokes about Biden being a PINO, or "president in name only." Yet the withdrawal seems to have been driven by him personally. He got the crew responsible for the 2011 withdrawal from Iraq back together. Anthony Blinken at the State Department and Jake Sullivan at NSC led. The Pentagon and the intelligence community were both shut out of decision making and reportedly horrified. Lloyd Abrams was chosen defense secretary because he followed orders in 2011 and didn't interfere with what Obama was doing. If a terror group rises from Afghanistan the way ISIS did in Iraq, it won't be a bug, but a feature. PeterKa (talk) 06:24, August 17, 2021 (EDT)

Looks like the CCP is moving up the timetable for aggression against Taiwan. They'd be foolish to wait for President Kamala or President Trump to take office now. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:42, August 17, 2021 (EDT)

Sadly, we are struck with this discredited idiot, at least until the midterms. If the Dems promoted Harris before the election, they would lose control of the Senate. It's too bad we don't have parliamentary system. Then we could get a new leader just by voting "no confidence." PeterKa (talk) 23:51, August 17, 2021 (EDT)

There is enough of a consensus between Moderate Dems & Progressives in the House to remove Biden, and it only takes 5 but there are way more than that now. So the question moves to the Senate: Who do you prefer, Kamala or Pelosi? There we can't find 67 votes yet. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:36, August 18, 2021 (EDT)

I think Biden has successfully reached that period known as "gridlock" already, where many Dems won't want to be seen voting for anything he proposes. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:37, August 18, 2021 (EDT)

Another example of Biden being too stupid to run anything is that he closed the enormous Bagram airbase at the end of June. This was at a time when thousands of Americans were still in the country. There are still 5,000 to 10,000 Americans left. Did he imagine that all the people desperate to leave could be evacuated on regularly scheduled civilian flights? PeterKa (talk) 01:44, August 18, 2021 (EDT)

They offed Ashli Babbitt and called her a traitor after serving, what, a quarter of her life in Afghanistan. We should have taken that as a heads-up. Remember Jake 'al Qaeda is on our side' Sullivan? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 04:05, August 18, 2021 (EDT)

Eight days from superpower to punchline

The Suez crisis of 1956 was only eight days long. But it marked the divide between the era when the world was awed by the words "British Empire" and an era when this phrase is used only as a sneering punchline, as Lady Avon put it. Can America still be a "global superpower" in the post-Afghanstan era? Mark Steyn, the man who makes collapse funny, is on the case. PeterKa (talk) 19:36, August 17, 2021 (EDT)

This needs to go on MPR: "State Department calls for Taliban to include women in its government." Hey Taliban! Don't forget to mask up and get vaccinated too! PeterKa (talk) 20:19, August 17, 2021 (EDT)

That is not really addressed to the Taliban, it is addressed to female Democrat voters. If there is one thing I highly object to is Democrat administrations using the State Dept. for domestic political purposes, and creating confusion abroad. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:38, August 17, 2021 (EDT)

Here is Mike Pence's take in the Wall Street Journal: "In February 2020, the Trump administration reached an agreement that required the Taliban to end all attacks on U.S. military personnel, to refuse terrorists safe harbor, and to negotiate with Afghan leaders on creating a new government. As long as these conditions were met, the U.S. would conduct a gradual and orderly withdrawal of military forces.....The progress our administration made toward ending the war was possible because Taliban leaders understood that the consequences of violating the deal would be swift and severe. After our military took out Iranian terrorist Qasem Soleimani, and U.S. Special Forces killed the leader of ISIS, the Taliban had no doubt we would keep our promise."[13] PeterKa (talk) 13:58, August 18, 2021 (EDT)

If the USA went from a global superpower to a regional power and my taxes went down, I would be happy. Judging from America's recent wars and China's growing power in the sea, I wouldn't want to be a Taiwanese person right now.

It's better to do a very good job at being a regional power, than do a terrible job as a global power. In addition, America has gotten into too many wars post WWII. Conservative (talk) 14:33, August 18, 2021 (EDT)

PLA Unrestricted Warfare Doctrine in an Era of Globalization. "Traditional war" follows certain rules or boundaries, protections for the civilians, humanitarian treatment to POWs, banning the use of WMD, etc. "Unrestricted warfare" means going beyond the limit, whether it is material, spiritual, ethical or technical; and whether it is called 'range', ‘restriction’, ‘restraint’, ‘boundary’, ‘rules’, ‘law’, ‘limit’, or ‘taboo’ ". When the boundaries of “old-style warfare” are broken, there is only one reality left: the entire human society is treated as a battlefield. The reasoning goes that the PRC, being the weaker party justifies tactics described in Unrestricted Warfare, since conventional tactics may not ensure victory against the US. [1]

You guys are nuts if you wanna give up global leadership to the CCP. That means dancing to their tune. Sure, the U.S. needs reform in it allowing the military industrial complex, Big Tech and corrupt oligarchs running things, but playing second fiddle to a bunch of thugs who will cut your heart out and sell it while you're still breathing is insane. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:10, August 18, 2021 (EDT)

I don't think Trump's agreement with the Taliban is anything for Pence to brag about. The Afghans released 5,000 Taliban prisoners and got only worthless promises. But the decision to withdraw was Biden's and not Trump's.

Giving up imperial status doesn't seem to have helped Britain financially. They drastically cut military spending in 1968 under the "East of Suez" plan. Control of middle eastern oil shifted to OPEC, prices soared, and the British government went bankrupt in 1975. IMF economists took over and ran the economy "in the manner of a banana republic," as they say. PeterKa (talk) 17:10, August 18, 2021 (EDT)

The CCP is not going to be a global power. They have a ton of debt and an aging population.Conservative (talk) 17:55, August 18, 2021 (EDT)

"China's gonna eat our lunch? C'mon, man" How Bidenesque. Even Soros doesn't see things that way anymore, and is sending a message to all the other oligarchs on the planet, including Big Tech oligarchs, as well as Chinese oligarchs who have made fortunes and are on the run from the CCP. This is YUGE. Soros is on our side, and Xi Jinping woke up to find out the rest of the planet is pretty well united against him. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:49, August 19, 2021 (EDT)

It might take longer for the CCP to have the capability to conquer Taiwan than I thought.

Popular Mechanics: "Could China be ready for this scenario by 2027? Probably not. It would most likely take until 2035 to build enough sealift to transport the invasion force. China would also be smart to build more sealift than it needs, as each ship will have to make multiple trips to and from the island, exposed during each run to Taiwanese (and likely American) ships, planes, and submarines."[14]

And of course, the USA could choose to boycott Chinese goods or severely cut back its trade with China if the Chinese chose to attack Taiwan. Conservative (talk) 18:17, August 18, 2021 (EDT)

The first step in the CCP's bid for global hegemony is behind us - weakening the US and global economy with the release of covid; the next step is a move against Taiwan, beginning with exploding an EMP over the United States to knock out the power grid. A large portion of the US will be dead in 90 days without electricity. If they don't move now, and wait for President Kamala, their planning has been futile. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:31, August 18, 2021 (EDT)

Dead Americans can't buy anything. China does not want dead Americans in its homeland. The only Americans China wants dead are the ones that might try to protect Taiwan when China attacks it in the future. Conservative (talk) 22:36, August 19, 2021 (EDT)

https://eagleforum.org/publications/efr/may21/chinas-communist-party-wants-to-kill-you.html

China’s Communist Party Wants to Kill You, May 2021 Eagle Forum Report

“	It is indeed brutal to kill one or two hundred million Americans. But that is the only path that will secure a Chinese century, a century in which the CCP leads the world. We, as revolutionary humanitarians, do not want deaths, but if history confronts us with a choice between deaths of Chinese and those of Americans, we’d have to pick the latter, as, for us, it is more important to safeguard the lives of the Chinese people and the life of our Party.	”
—Chi Haotian, ex-Vice-Chairman of China’s Military Commissionm

What? You think he meant thousands and not millions? What? You think the Eagle Forum does not research its content before publishing? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 23:57, August 19, 2021 (EDT)

RobS, I think you have a serious reading comprehension problem in this matter. As a person who was a professional computer programmer, I can understand basic "If, then" logic. Evidently, you cannot!

"For almost four decades, many analysts suggested that war between the United States and the Soviet Union was inevitable. Despite a few close calls, it never happened. It is entirely possible, perhaps even likely, that China and the United States will not again find themselves in armed conflict."[15] Conservative (talk) 01:32, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

You're not going to win this argument. You got two major screw-ups already. First, your Bidenesque reasoning and logic which Biden himself has already backpeddled on. And secondly, ignoring the documented threat published by the Eagle Forum and bringing in irrelevant references to the Soviet Union, to deflect., RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:13, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

If you find yourself in a hole, then stop digging. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:15, August 20, 2021 (EDT

China's bribed Joe Biden. They've infiltrated various USA institutions.[16] And they sell the USA a ton of merchandise. Why would they bother invading?

"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill." - Sun TzuConservative (talk) 13:51, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

But China's power will be fleeting. They have a ton of debt and an aging population that doesn't like foreign immigrants. Conservative (talk) 13:53, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

Now you're just being redundant. What? you think readers are stupid and didn't hear what you said the first time? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:29, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

What was Biden thinking?

In one way, Joe Biden's views on Afghanistan are nothing that needs to be explained. Withdrawal is a common enough opinion and one that he shares with the previous three American presidents. All the same, none of them pursued the idea with anything like Biden's determination. It's hard to imagine Bush, Obama, or Trump sacrificing their presidencies for this cause. In fact, it seems that Trump's support for withdrawal was mostly about extracting concessions from the Afghan government.[17]

Biden is doing it for Beau, his eldest son who served in Afghanistan in 2008-2009. Biden was a desperately worried parent at that time. Based on an idiotic theory that links Afghanistan to Beau's death by cancer years later, he believes that Beau died "on behalf of [Afghan] women’s rights."[18] You be bitter too if you expected to pass things on to a son in your image and then had to settle for Hunter.

What does Biden think we can get in exchange for selling out Afghan women? The Taliban hates us for being infidels, not because of our views on women. PeterKa (talk) 01:10, August 19, 2021 (EDT)

I'm guessing most Americans trapped in Afghan are contractors or workers with NGOs, although there could be both civilian US govt. workers and military trapped, as well. While there have been 2400 military deaths in 20 years, there has been 3700+ civilian contractor deaths, so we can guess that there certainly has always been a very large number of contractors. None of this includes other Western civilian personnel. And the Afghan dissident collaborators and their families is somewhere between 18,000 and 70,000. Also, in 20 years there certainly must also have been some intermarriage and children.

The next step is to begin hearing from spouses and families of these contractors. This is not good for the Congressional Democrats who represent these constituents.

So the rumour mill is churning about the 25th Amendment. It requires a 2/3 vote of both Houses, which is not likely a problem. The details of finding office space or a conference room in the White House complex to conduct a 25th Amendment coup seem interesting, but a Cabinet meeting conducted by Kamala by Zoom isn't out of the question either, and remember Marc Elias (who's attempted several coups over just the past few years), is the legal expert on her side (he was Kamala's General Counsel during her ill fated campaign).

So, let's suppose Kamala pulls off a 25th Amendment coup. There wouldn't be a lot of changes in personnel, really. Hunter might be replaced by Meena Harris, and that's about it. Even if Antia Dunn and Susan Rice go, who are the two that have been making policy, the system in place would still remain with an incompetent figurehead and a behind the scenes Politburo running things. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:52, August 19, 2021 (EDT)

Barack's probably working the phones overtime right now. He'd certainly dump Joe for Kamala in a moment. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 12:16, August 19, 2021 (EDT)

Biden isn't thinking well. He is probably in the 3rd stage of Alzheimer's disease/dementia[19][20] Conservative (talk) 22:22, August 19, 2021 (EDT)

The fact that the Democrat voter base thought last year that Biden was the cream of the crop out of over a dozen party contenders to become president speaks volumes about the lack of basic intelligence among leftists nowadays. —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Friday, 22:27, August 19, 2021 (EDT)

Biden will serve his whole term unless he dies. Liberals/leftists always double down and engage in denialism. Biden will only serve one term. The pressure of the Oval Office will accelerate his dementia.

The GOP will not push Biden out due to being afraid of losing the elderly vote. Conservative (talk) 22:28, August 19, 2021 (EDT)

The Democrats never thought Biden was the cream of the crop. They thought Biden was the most electable. Conservative (talk) 22:31, August 19, 2021 (EDT)

Leftists are collectivists, and there already is a closet politburo running things. Biden is no personality cult hero like Clinton or Obama, and he'd be the first one to tell you, "I regret that I have only one life to give for my party." RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:21, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

Well, leftists in general are collectivists, but I can definitely name a few leftists who if anything advocate for individualism (albeit a very radical, anarchistic form of individualism that's closer to a "dog-eat-dog world."). In particular, Jean-Paul Sartre, who was even described by Eagle Forum as being someone who advocated for the absolute freedom of the individual, aka individualism. I'll even quote it: "The fourth source [for the American Library Association's radicalization] is Jean-Paul Sartre, the French existentialist who was so fashionable in the 1940s. He held the absolute freedom of the individual to be the highest good and yet saw all values as relative. His idea that there are no rules by which we must govern our conduct dispenses handily with Madison's idea that the Ten Commandments are necessary for peaceful self-government." I'd also argue Voltaire was similar in that regard. Pokeria1 (talk) 21:14, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

Even Soros said the other day, "The U.S. stands for a democratic, open society in which the role of the government is to protect the freedom of the individual. Mr. Xi believes Mao Zedong invented a superior form of organization, which he is carrying on: a totalitarian closed society in which the individual is subordinated to the one-party state." [21]

Looks like Xi won't be invited back to Davos anytime soon. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:51, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

In this day and age where the Democrats can churn out two impeachments in one term, and a second one in 10 days or 10 minutes or whatever, anything is possible - especially if they feel in danger of losing power. You're taking your conservative approach to the extreme by denying the reality that is around you - the threat of war with China, and the threat Biden is to national security. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:27, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

• In his interview with Stephanopoulos, Biden again cited Beau serving in Afghanistan with either the army or the navy (!?!). Beau actually served as an army major in Iraq. Biden has told this story many times and with great feeling. Now thousands of Americans are stranded in Afghanistan in an attempt to validated this fake story and his status as a grieving father. It reminds me of the fake mission to Cambodia that was "seared" in John Kerry's memory. Hey John, Apocalypse Now was just a movie. It was not based on your life. PeterKa (talk) 19:20, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

I'd be grieving, too, if my one son who amounted to something in life (as corrupt as he was) passed away leaving me with the other as the "smartest man I know" (which undoubtedly, is the one true statement Biden ever uttered). RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:22, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

One of the interesting aspects of the times we live in under this socialist junta is the rebirth of Kremlinology. Since reporters and news organizations can place no stock in official pronouncements (countless examples, such as statements by Biden and Gen. Milley over the past 6 weeks, or daily pronouncements by Jen Psaki), Kremlinologists have to "read the tea leaves," like who is standing next to who on Lenin's mausoleum at the May Day parade. Criticism mounts in Biden's absence, so he rushes back for 20 minutes to make a contradictory and nonsensical speech, then returns to vacation. Then in the Stephanopoulos interview, he falls back on the old Clinton tactic of "that was yesterday, old news" when we already know that nobody in the White House, Pentagon or intelligence community has a clue what is going on (caveat: unless it is happening by design).

So, what's the latest in Biden junta Kremlinology? Kamala disappears for 6 days. Rumours mount of a 25th Amendment coup. Like the rushed press conference 2 days ago, Kamala reappears at Biden's side. IOWs, the purpose of the press conference is not about anything said, it is to quash rumours among foreign governments and give the impression that Biden is in full control. It's the "optics", to use a D.C. term, and incorporate it into the Kremlinology lexicon. This has been true for a long time, even in the Obama era. It is the optics, not the substance of anything said. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:24, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

In defense of China

The Latin Americans are invading the USA. Not the Chinese. Conservative (talk) 13:44, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

So, evidently, you are struggling with the concept of national security. It appears you fail to connect the dots between the national security threat Biden created on the southern border, and the national security threat Biden has created being in bed with the Chinese communists through his son, Hunter's business. And we haven't even broached the subject of the national security threat Biden created with the Afghan collapse vis-a-vis the growth of terrorism. Or the national security threat Biden has created by the loss of confidence among allies in dealing with both the threat of Chinese aggressive actions (in the South China Sea and along the Indian border) and the renewed threat of global terrorism coming from Afghanistan.

Now, if you somehow want to connect China to the national security threat on the southern border, please do so here. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:43, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

In terms of defense, adequately defending a nation's border should be the top priority when a country has a long history of its border not being respected. Drugs have been pouring across America's southern border for a long time. It's matter of priorities. Yes, China is a problem, but the southern border should be the highest priority. Countless drug-related deaths could have been avoided by having a stronger border defense.

America should move its troops out of Germany and have them defend the southern border. Real nations have borders. It's too bad that Trump did not push harder for the border wall early in his presidency. Conservative (talk) 19:35, October 26, 2021 (EDT)

Coulda woulda shoulda is not policy. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:58, October 26, 2021 (EDT)

Soros flips

To paraphrase Biden NSA Jake "Al Qaeda is on Our Side" Sullivan, Soros is on our side! RobS^{Free Kyle!} 12:48, August 19, 2021 (EDT)

Worst president ever

In truth, Biden still has a ways to go before he's as bad a president as James Madison, who ginned up a war with Britain at a time when the U.S. had no army or navy. But he's getting close. Here is the New York Post: "Call Afghanistan what it is: The worst hostage crisis in American history." In terms of historical analogies, the Afghanistan crisis is now the Iranian hostage crisis and the fall of Saigon rolled into one. When Biden remembers the 1970s, does he think, "Yeah, let's do all that again"? PeterKa (talk) 07:49, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

In 1982, I made up my mind that Biden was obnoxious scum. Sadly, he's only gotten worse. And that was before he ever fantasized about being president, or shined in the Bork and Clarence Thomas hearings, or had SCOTUS overturn his Violence Against Women's Act, which everyone who voted for it told him would happen but he insisted on an election-year gimmick.

Honestly, when Obama was president. I prayed Obama would stay safe and nothing would happen to him.

The biggest lie perpetrated on the American people, and black people in particular in recent decades, is not WMD, or Hillary was innocent, or Trump-Russia or Ukraine scandal. It is that Biden is not a racist scumbag. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 08:09, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

As to Madison, maybe it was to force Congress to appropriate funds for an Army and Navy. It wouldn't be the first time such tactics were engineered. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 22:34, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

Madison abolished the army in 1810. Perhaps he never expected to go to war against anyone at that time. Later that year, the "war hawks" made a strong showing in the midterms. When Congress recreated the army, Madison wasn't happy about it. He wanted to conquer Canada with militia units only. As for the navy, the Jeffersonian ideal was a navy for coastal defense only, a so-called gunboat navy. Madison's focus was on winning the 1812 election. He figured imitating the War Hawks would help him do it.

As Biden becomes increasingly aggressive about seeking the "worst president ever" title, what can we expect? The British burned down Madison's White House, inspired secessionist movements in multiple states, and forced his Treasury to default -- the only time that happened in U.S. history. PeterKa (talk) 10:14, August 21, 2021 (EDT)

According to the Congressional Research Service (pgs 2-3) the cost of the war was 2.2% of GDP, compared to 2.3% in Vietnam, 0.3% for the Gulf War, and as of 2010, Iraq & Afghanistan 1.2%. I was astounded, cause I always thought 1812 as just another brisk, jolly little war. But then again, it's probably number crunchers like this in the CRS that convince Congress to keep appropriating money for 20 years.

Besides the Taliban, the only other winners in this war were arms merchants of death and the military-industrial complex.

What we need is a Nye Committee investigation. This Daily Mail article is fascinating. Numerous examples of the corruption involved. A retired Air Force general brokered a $549 million (of US taxpayer money) deal for planes for the Afghan Airforce that never flew and was ultimately sold for scrap for $40,257; $28 million for green camouflage in a desert environment; and this:

$36 million was spent on a vast command-and-control facility at Camp Leatherneck in Helmand Province. It included office space for 1500 people as well as a war room, a briefing theater and enough office space for 1,500 people. It was commissioned for the 2010 surge of U.S. troops. 'It appears to be the best constructed building I have seen in my travels in Afghanistan,' Sopko wrote in July 2013. 'Unfortunately, it is unused, unoccupied, and presumably will never be used for its intended purpose.' Its furniture was still in plastic when he visited the facility...

What's going on here? Time was, the camouflage and furniture makers were all in somebody's congressional district. But not anymore. I'll bet $100 the furniture was made in China. The old defense contractor game is too well known. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 10:59, August 21, 2021 (EDT)

See, nowadays members of Congress do not vote for defense appropriations to bring jobs to their district; they vote large appropriations for a kickback of taxpayer funds to their campaign committees, short circuiting the taxpayer-voter. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:08, August 21, 2021 (EDT)

Joe Biden is the worst president in U.S. history. The U.S. has never elected a president with as bad of dementia as Joe Biden.

The full effects of a bad president don't immediately show up, however. For example, there is a lag when it comes to bad economic decisions showing their full effects. Conservative (talk) 10:44, August 22, 2021 (EDT)

Let's take the example of Jimmy Carter: the Shah of Iran was an ally who helped defeat Hitler. His father was a Nazi who was removed in 1941. The Teheran Conference was held in Iran. In the Cold War, the Shah remained a U.S. ally. The KGB fomented the 1979 Iranian Revolution. When Carter failed to back the Shah, the Ayatollah came to power. Had the Shah remained in power, Iran today would still be a U.S. ally and not be threatening the world with nukes.

Now, we could re-examine the events of post-1945 China and come up with a similar conclusion. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 14:55, August 22, 2021 (EDT)

Maybe Joe Biden will delegate his presidential responsibilities to the wisest person in his staff or recruit such a person. But I doubt this will happen.

Biden's poorly planned exit from Afghanistan may very well embolden radical Islamcists and other enemies of the USA.

And Biden not giving praise to Donald Trump for Operation Warp Speed will insure the delta variant of the coronavirus continues to plague the USA because many Republicans will stay unvaccinated. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris helped politicize vaccination (Kamala Harris said she would not trust a vaccine produced by Operation Warp Speed). See also: Joe Biden may have to become more bipartisan to get Republicans to rally behind Covid-19 vaccination in order to get to herd immunity in the USA Conservative (talk) 16:44, August 22, 2021 (EDT)

It's Susan Rice. [22] RobS^{Free Kyle!}

Leftists attack Larry Elder with Jim Crow antics

I'm noticing a common theme: woke white leftists pretending to be the spokespersons for blacks are smearing Larry Elder, who's running in the California gubernatorial recall election. Apparently he's a "black white supremacist," according to their Kool-Aid filled mouths. And the latest is that they're smearing him over mere allegations of sexism, supposed violence towards women, etc. etc. Classic Jim Crow tactics: ignore due process and slander blacks of violence towards women to destroy their reputations. And ironically enough, these are the same bumbling left-wing idiots who use baseless KKK analogies against whoever they disagree with. Notwithstanding the veracity of the allegations, such leftist tactics are still ridiculous, to say the very least. —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Friday, 19:38, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

Elder is too well known in California - he's been on the air following Rush Limbaugh since 1994. California Blacks know him too well, and he's an icon and role model in the black community. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:17, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

Ah, no wonder the left is currently panicking as evident in all their vain baiting efforts to destroy his character. —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Saturday, 20:22, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

Those attacks are probably aimed at white liberals (a minority in California) who never heard of Elder, but they fall flat when blacks hear them. In fact, they even sound racist to blacks. And Elder is just the man to articulate that. Now, being California, there is some spillover into national media, but this isn't likely to play out according to the usual playbook. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:32, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

Just as in the case of Obama, any white person who opposes or even criticizes Elder, is motivated by racism. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:34, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

This was no accident

The weapons capture was no accident or mistake. [23] It's just like every time the U.S. made a parachute drop to the 5 man Free Syrian Army, the weapons somehow always ended up in the hands of the Islamic State. Or how the Afghan National Army was in the habit of "losing" weapons which then had to be replaced for years.

Brace yourself, if past is precedent, the MSM will be on board with the Biden program in due time. It's the same people running the State Dept and intelligence community as under Obama, only everybody has moved up a step in the bureaucracy. And now they got the woke Pentagon, to boot (they had to cut the Pentagon out when Mike Flynn headed DIA while Obama, Hillary, and John Brennan armed ISIS). "Al Qaeda is on our side" - Jake Sullivan, Feb. 12, 2012. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 08:31, August 23, 2021 (EDT)

The next step is for Communist China to back the Taliban for U.N. recognition, and the kinder, gentler Taliban will get on board with the war against terrorists, i.e Afghan people who oppose the Taliban. I'm sure they will get Jake Sullivan, Biden, Milley, the IC, and China's support in wiping out domestic extremists. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 08:36, August 23, 2021 (EDT)

Remember under Obama, "moderate extremists" or rebels or whatever they called them? That conditioned us in the psyop for "peaceful protesters." RobS^{Free Kyle!} 08:46, August 23, 2021 (EDT)

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's razor.Conservative (talk) 09:31, August 23, 2021 (EDT)

No. The Biden junta and leftists want the Taliban as a well-armed ally of theirs to be used against some enemy. This was calculated. No one is being fired. Jake Sullivan declared 9 years ago, "Al Qaeda in Syria is on our side," before they went on a beheading spree as ISIS. And Sullivan was promoted to National Security Advisor after that great success, the guy who briefs Biden every morning on overnight events. Everything Biden has said in public press conferences passed thru Sullivan's hands first.

Wake up and smell the coffee. This is another life-changing, earth-shattering event - like 9/11, the covid crisis, Pearl Harbor, or the 2008 and 2020 elections. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 10:34, August 23, 2021 (EDT)

Here is another piece of evidence to support the idea that everything went according to plan: "Sources: No Biden firings." Obama was reluctant was to attack ISIS throughout 2016, although he did finally jacked up the bombing a few weeks before leaving office. With Ayers as his ghostwriter, Obama never a met a terrorist he didn't like. With Anthony Blinken answering to Susan Rice and Ron Klain, it's Obama's administration. PeterKa (talk) 11:14, August 23, 2021 (EDT)

Afghan refugees

Although most of the refugees going to Germany in 2014-2015 were Syrians, it was the Afghans who triggered a sexual assault crisis. See "I've Worked with Refugees for Decades. Europe's Afghan Crime Wave Is Mind-Boggling." For all the talk about woman's rights, the refugees from Afghanistan are almost 100 percent male. PeterKa (talk) 11:15, August 23, 2021 (EDT)

The British are enthusiastically embracing the Afghans who helped them during the war. They want them to come to their country.[24]

The net effect of this will be more desecularization for the UK and a further rise of UK right-wing populism in reaction to Muslim immigration. Conservative (talk) 11:31, August 23, 2021 (EDT)

The refugees of 2014 saw themselves as warriors, making Germans submit to the will of Allah. Really, the U.S. needs to retake Kabul so these people can be sent back. PeterKa (talk) 11:56, August 23, 2021 (EDT)

Afghans sound like the world's least desirable refugees. 99 percent want sharia law and 61 percent think it should apply to non-Muslims.[25] 40 percent support suicide bombing.[26] It is the military's job to keep these warriors for Islam as far away from us as possible! Let's retake Kabul and Bagram before it is too late. PeterKa (talk) 17:54, August 24, 2021 (EDT)

25th Amendment

For those trying to understand how the process works, here's what I've been able to figure out:

• The 25th Amendment doesn't specify what is meant by "principal officers of the executive departments", and I'm not sure if Congress has passed any alternate procedure which is permitted by the Amendment, so for this purpose I'm going solely with Cabinet officers. So for this purpose, I'm going with only Cabinet officials, which would be State, Defense, Treasury, Justice, Interior, Agriculture, Commerce, Labor, HHS, HUD, Transportation, Energy, Education, VA, and Homeland Security.
• This means that if VP Harris intends to invoke the 25th Amendment, she needs eight Cabinet officers to go along with her. I have no idea which eight, if that many, would support her. Maybe her two fellow Californians, but she still needs six more.
• But let's say she gets eight to go along. Now Biden counters with a written statement that he is able to perform the duties of his office.
• The same group that said he wasn't, stands by their original position.
• Now how does she get 2/3rds of both chambers of Congress? Even if she got all of the Democrats to go along (unlikely unless the original invocation had the unanimous agreement of the Cabinet), would the GOP (who might agree he is incapable) agree and then get her in office, which would be far worse?

Stuff to ponder. Quidam65 (talk) 13:40, August 23, 2021 (EDT)

Democrats are not into giving up power easily. If you don't believe me, ask Andrew Cuomo. Conservative (talk) 16:16, August 23, 2021 (EDT)

The pro-Biden faction seems to have regained the upper hand today. If "they" ever want Biden out, they'll just tell to resign and he will go nicely. The appointment of Harris as vice president shows there is nothing he won't do for the establishment. PeterKa (talk) 17:25, August 23, 2021 (EDT)

Yah, I kinda agree with what Peter says, and it also means the Cabinet and Pelosi & Co. have more faith in a braindead old man than Kamala. He was elected morelesss to perform this public ritual of hari kari on stage before his 82nd birthday. So a large portion has been scripted, and how unpopular and incompetent Kamala is was not an unknown variable when she was nominated, either. She was playing the role of nurse-maid even before Jill was seen doing so. Kamala's job is moreless to inform Pelosi, Schumer, and the Cabinet when it's time to pull the plug and end this needless suffering. Bootyboy and his cult following are chomping at the bit, will see it as a promotion, and is about the only time you'll see Pete & Kamala in agreement on anything. I don't see anybody in the Cabinet standing up for him, they're all of a younger generation whose personal loyalties lie elsewhere with others in the Democrat Politburo running things (Susan Rice, Obama, et al). Winken, Blinken, and Nod will do what they are told. Pelosi is just waiting for the phone call from Kamala, but she may not live long enough the receive it, either. So all that leaves is Dr. Jill, reading Edith Wilson's diaries every night, and trying to shield Kamala from seeing his real condition. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:49, August 23, 2021 (EDT)

Did they learn from Clinton? Instead of the cult-like loyalty Dems showed to Clinton in the 6th year of his presidency, had they quietly asked him to resign, Gore should have defeated all comers in 2000, there never would have been a Florida Recount, and the party would have preserved an ounce of integrity. Personal morality wouldn't have been an issue, and the Epstein/Weinstein rape jihad would not have been green-lighted. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:54, August 23, 2021 (EDT)

To see what is really going on gives insight into how the CCP and China's State Council work. The State Council is the actual government of China, although its members are all party members. A person's position in the party is more relevant than their position in the government. For example, the position of the State Council Minister of Defense has no authority over the Central Military Commission. It's just a position used to represent the military to the State Council, and in negotiations with foreign powers. The State Council president is just an informal role and title like Biden holds, while the power over appointments and policy resides in the party General Secretary, Barack Obama, from his embassy in D.C. across town. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:19, August 23, 2021 (EDT)

IOWs, parties like the CCP, DNC, and RNC preserve secrecy in their pecking order, whereas governments are subject to disclosure to the public and foreign powers, be it China's State Council or the U.S. Civil Service Commission. It's truly a Leninist construct. This is how you get the chauffer for the USSR Ambassador to the United States being the head of KGB North American operations and the Ambassador's boss, whereas on paper he officially is the Ambassador's flunky.

A party official doesn't even have to work in government. The DNC adopted this Leninist construct sometime ago. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:43, August 23, 2021 (EDT)

Sounds like he's resigned to resigning: "Joe Biden Says the Quiet Part Out Loud, Implies Kamala Harris Will be President ‘Pretty Soon’ (VIDEO)." PeterKa (talk) 05:46, August 24, 2021 (EDT)

Yah, he knew it was a temporary gig from the start. Getting rid of Trump was the priority, and after 47 years he was just the guy to oversee the "most extensive voter fraud organization in history." After that was completed, there really wasn't any more use for him.

Actually, he may even have done this Afghan thing just to obscure Arizona audit report due out yesterday. Look how desperate they were to obscure Mike Lindell's symposium just a week ago. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 05:57, August 24, 2021 (EDT)

Vietnam's war on covid

I got published in American Thinker "Vietnam’s war on Covid." PeterKa (talk) 13:16, August 24, 2021 (EDT)

Phenomenal article, Peter!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 13:20, September 1, 2021 (EDT)

Here is my latest: "Vietnam misses Trump as it struggles with China." PeterKa (talk) 11:46, September 2, 2021 (EDT)

It got republished on Free Republic. PeterKa (talk) 15:11, September 2, 2021 (EDT)

Afghan autopsy

The historical debate has already begun. Why the failure in Afghanistan? The Deep State narrative is cause we were fighting two wars at once, Afghanistan and Iraq. And the failures in Iraq caused the failures in Afghanistan. Not so.

It was the corruption of the Afghan government, from the beginning. And who was responsible? You guessed it, Joe Biden.

As planning was being drawn up immediately after 9/11, the idea was to get rid of the Taliban and install an interim government til elections could be held. The whole world was on our side. Bush wanted $300 million for the new government; Kofi Annan at the U.N suggested $500 (both these guys got big staffs to draw up plans like that quickly). But oh, no, Joe wanted to play FDR or LBJ and outbid everybody, and said $1 billion. (I got it started here.) So the Karzai government was flooded with cash, more than they needed. it soon became very openly corrupt, and the Taliban even regained popularity because of it.

Do some research. In the next 20, 30, 40 years when people debate Why the Afghan failure, if they say because of Iraq, tell 'em bulltwinkies. Tell 'em it started with Biden on day one. Not GW. Not Rummy. Not Dick Cheney. It started with Biden's ideological view that you can buy the hearts and minds of voters with other people's cash out of the U.S. Treasury. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 03:14, August 25, 2021 (EDT)

The root/core issue: TTHE AFGHAN ARMY DIDN'T SURRENDER: IT REJOINED ITS TRIBES Conservative (talk) 04:24, August 25, 2021 (EDT)

""Every battle is won or lost before it's ever fought." - Sun Tzu, The Art of WarConservative (talk) 04:28, August 25, 2021 (EDT)

They didn't fight cause Biden closed Bagram airbase on July 2 and they knew they would not have the air cover they trained for and were promised. Biden speech about them having 300,000 and the Taliban having only 75,000 was on the 8th of July. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:14, August 25, 2021 (EDT)

They were lied to and abandoned by Biden. But as I illustrate here, Biden's subversion didn't come at the end of 20 years, he had subverted the War on Terror from the beginning. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:16, August 25, 2021 (EDT)

So the Karzai ministers built mansions for themselves with the excess billion Biden got for them, demoralizing the fighters and playing into Taliban propaganda. You see the same phenomena with the leadership of Black Lives Matter right now. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:16, August 25, 2021 (EDT)

You're right, "Every battle is won or lost before it's ever fought." And the Afghan War was lost from the beginning with Biden's insistence on "boots on the ground" and fuelling the corruption in the Karzai government, fueling anti-Western sentiment and Taliban propaganda. Why? Cause Biden wanted to look like a dog-face pony soldier tuff guy. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:32, August 25, 2021 (EDT)

Afghanistan certainly has its ethnic divisions, like other countries. But I don't think that explains what happened. Afghans joined the army for money. When the money ran out, they left. Taking Americans hostage and extorting Joe for ransom will work too. Islam is far more important than tribe, democracy, or any other ideology. The soldiers of the former Afghan government could be accused of working for the infidel. Only 31 percent of Afghans are literate.

The only way Biden could have kept his promise to end the war by September 11 is for the Taliban to take over by that date. With U.S. soldiers, there's a history of politicians and promises. But pulling out the contractors and the logistics seems to have been all Biden. Between the Obama and the Biden administrations, the Democrat establishment had enormous resources to remold Afghanistan as it liked. The logical conclusion is that this outcome was what it wanted all along.

Why does Biden want a Taliban victory? He thinks in analogies and for him Afghanistan is Vietnam. What he remembers about the fall of Saigon was that it was followed by a period of liberal dominance in U.S. domestic politics. Although he voted for the 1974 aid cut that triggered South Vietnam's collapse, he still blames it on Republicans. Does he believe that that the war will end with an American pullout? The Taliban are already letting al-Qaida and ISIS-K back in.

Here is a first-hand account: "I Commanded Afghan Troops This Year. We Were Betrayed." This general tries to be bipartisan by blaming Trump's accord with the Taliban. Yes, it was a bad deal. But Biden had already developed fixed ideas about Afghanistan during his years as vice president. PeterKa (talk) 14:58, August 25, 2021 (EDT)

Three weeks after the 9/11 attacks, on October 3, 2001,

Sen. Biden: "U.N. Secretary Kofi Annan has issued an appeal for $584 million to meet the needs of the Afghan refugees and displaced people, within Afghanistan and in neighboring countries. This is the amount deemed necessary to stave off disaster for the winter, which will start in Afghanistan in just a few weeks. We must back up our rhetoric with action, with something big and bold and meaningful. We can offer to foot the entire bill for keeping the Afghan people safely fed, clothed, and sheltered this winter, and that should be the beginning....We can kick the effort off in a way that would silence our critics in the rest of the world: a check for $1 billion, and a promise for more to come as long as the rest of the world joins us. This initial amount would be more than enough to meet all the refugees’ short-term needs, and would be a credible downpayment for the long-term effort. Eventually the world community will have to pony up more billions, but there is no avoiding that now, not if we expect our words ever to carry any weight.
If anyone thinks this amount of money is too high, let me note one stark, simple and very sad statistic. The damage inflicted by the September 11 attack in economic terms alone was a minimum of several hundred billion dollars and a maximum of over $1 trillion. The cost in human life, of course, as the Presiding Officer knows, is far beyond any calculation. Pg. 18464

So here you see Bush say. "I bet 3", Kofi Annan says "I raise you 5 (with your money, of course)". And Biden says, "I'll see that and raise 10".

On October 22, 2001,

Sen. Biden: "I think the American public and the Islamic world is fully prepared for us to take as long as we need to take. If it is action that is a mano-a-mano. If it's us on the ground going against other forces on the ground. The part that I think flies in the face of, and plays into every stereotypical criticism of us, is where this high tech bully that thinks from the air we can do whatever you want to do. And it builds the case, for those who want to make the case against us, that all we're doing is indiscriminately bombing innocents. Which is not the truth. Some innocents are indiscriminately bombed. But that is not the truth. I think the American public is prepared for a long siege. I think the American public has prepared for American losses. I think the American public is prepared, and the president must continue to remind them to be prepared, for American body bags coming home. There is no way that you can, in fact, go after and root out al Qaeda and or Bin Ladin without folks on the ground, in caves, risking and losing their lives. And I believe that the tolerance for that in the Islamic world is significant, exponentially higher, than it is for us bombing." @59:43</ref>

Just as in the Biden Crime Bill of 1994, Biden was going to "out-tuff guy" any of Bush's tuff guys in tuff guy talk in the days immediately following 9/11. And he backed up his tuff-guy talk in the tried and true method FDR & LBJ used - throw money at a problem, adding to debt, and flooding people with cash. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:28, August 25, 2021 (EDT)

Biden wanted "boots on the ground", whereas the Bush Pentagon said Al Qaeda could be destroyed from the air. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:33, August 25, 2021 (EDT)

Basically, we are seeing the same approach right now with the Covid crisis - defeat the crisis by flooding us with cash and inflation. And the excess cash creates unemployment. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:03, August 25, 2021 (EDT)

The point

The whole point here is, in writing the history of the Afghan War, it's not all about GW, My Pet Goat, Powell, Rummy, and Cheney. Biden's role must be written in, too, over 20 years. Biden's connection to all the events of the Afghan War after 9/11 must receive equal weight, and equal time. Indeed, it's because of his close association with all the events that transpired after 9/11, is why he was nominated in 2020 by the Democrat establishment to run the "most corrupt voter fraud organization in history" and finally disengage.

His January 10, 2002 meeting with Karzai, in fact, was covered by Nightline if I recall. This was before Gitmo opened, and the Chairman of the Judiciary Comte. was under pressure from the ACLU what to do with captured jihadis. He went to Bagram to see for himself, and agreed, "those certainly were hard, hard, hard cases". From the beginning, Biden thought of the Taliban and Republicans as Corn Pop, and the real enemy he had to defeat were Republicans by being tuffer on jihadis than Dick Cheney was ("we do everything but lynch them for J-walking," as he said about blacks in the 1994 Crime Bill). He authored the 2006 Amendments to the Patriot Act, which is what the Obama administration used to spy on Donald Trump and Carter Page, and what Biden, Merrick Garland, and Lisa Monaco are using right now to spy on anyone connected in any mild fashion to the "1/6 insurrection". RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:11, August 25, 2021 (EDT)

IOWs, Biden himself was behind the policy of nation building, and going beyond the specific short-term goal of rooting out the Taliban and al Qaeda. I have the proper narrative started here: Afghanistan_War#Nation_building. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:23, August 25, 2021 (EDT)

Basically, it's the same problem as in the 1958 movie, The Mouse That Roared. Here in the National Security Archives, you find an assessment of the Vietnam failure entitled, "The Mouse that Roared":

"... U.S. problems in South Vietnam were partly the result of Washington's own aid programs...General Maxwell D. Taylor, and his deputy national security adviser, Walt W. Rostow, INR was direct in its critique of their concept: "The basic weakness of the counterinsurgency plan is the US assumption that the crisis in Vietnam can be solved virtually by flooding the country with US aid." RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:57, August 25, 2021 (EDT)

It was no accident

The United States abandoned Bagram AFB at 3:00 Am on July 2, 2021 without informing the Afghan National Army. They left behind 5,000 of the most dangerous Taliban, thousands of vehicles and weapons. This was 6 days before Biden's "it's not likely" speech. [27] Biden deliberately armed the Taliban, just as Obama deliberately armed the same people who burnt down the Benghazi compound, and the Islamic State. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 06:20, August 27, 2021 (EDT)

This is a repeat of Benghazi. Obama and Biden now have both armed terrorists who used those weapons to kill Americans, and lied about it and covered up for the killers. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 13:25, August 27, 2021 (EDT)

Just as in arming ISIS with weapons captured from Benghazi was intended to threaten Iran and Iranian influence in Syria, maybe the strategy here is to threaten Iran from the East. The bottomline is, the War is back on, and you cannot trust your government or the MSM to give you the real situation.RobS^{Free Kyle!} 13:29, August 27, 2021 (EDT)

ISIS-K

• Andy McCarthy, The Khorosan Group Does Not Exist, National Review, September 27, 2014

"It’s a fictitious name the Obama administration invented to deceive us."

• THE FAKE TERROR THREAT USED TO JUSTIFY BOMBING SYRIA, Glenn Greenwald, Murtaza Hussain, The Intercept, September 28 2014

"The threat of the “Khorasan Group” was trotted out to justifying bombing Syria. Then it just evaporated"

What are the facts? (a) The Pentagon and Intelligence Community have lied about everything thus far; (b) the Biden regime is made up largely of the same personnel from 2014 that served in the Obama administration; (c) just because the MSM is stupid enough to believe this, too, stemming from the same Pentagon and IC that have lied to them and us steadily for the past two weeks, and keeps repeating it over and over, are you stupid enough to believe that ISIS-K is responsible for the Kabul airport bombing? And, more importantly, the ISIS-K is an enemy of the Taliban or outside its control. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 13:13, August 27, 2021 (EDT)

The bombing was the work of the Haqqani network, who were in charge of airport security, and Sec. Blinken was negotiating with for safe passage to the airport for Americans, Afghan nationals with the right papers, and others.

These are the facts, not what the Biden regime, or MSM (who suddenly now want to believe the Biden regime) will repeat forever. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 13:13, August 27, 2021 (EDT)

(d) Never believe the Biden regime when it says, "we do not negotiate with terrorists." Both Sec. Blinken and CIA dir. Bill Burns negotiated with terrorists in just the past 4 days. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 13:21, August 27, 2021 (EDT)

Afghanistan in the 1970s

This video covers a somewhat earlier period of Afghan history: "How Afghanistan became a failed state." Afghanistan in the 1960s and early 1970s was eager to modernize and sent many students overseas. It had miniskirts, a parliament, and a constitutional monarch. Those students who went to Russia came back as communists while those who went to Egypt came back committed to Islam. By the late 1970s, the two groups were locked into a civil war. An Islamist regime led by President Zia-ul-Haq came to power in Pakistan in 1977. Under the influence of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, the power of fundamentalism grew. The Taliban is the creation of Pakistan's ISI. PeterKa (talk) 13:52, August 27, 2021 (EDT)

Even in the 1990s, the Arabs who set up training camps in Afghanistan - and there were many besides bin Laden - regarded the locals as backwoods hillbillies. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 14:28, August 27, 2021 (EDT)

Nobody likes a traitor

Hey, it's not all bad news. The Democrat-controlled Illinois legislature has redistricted crybaby U.S. Rep. Adam Kinzinger out of a seat.[28] PeterKa (talk) 22:30, August 25, 2021 (EDT)

See. You can kiss Democrat butt and they still will crush you like a cockroach unless you swear an oath of fealty to them. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 22:32, August 25, 2021 (EDT)

Ah, anti-Trumpers turning against their own... 😃 —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Thursday, 22:35, August 25, 2021 (EDT)

That may have taken the wind out his sails in the next Pelosi Panel hearing. He'll be crying over something else. I wanna hear him say, "I want to thank the Chair" when he's recognized. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 22:41, August 25, 2021 (EDT)

Michael Byrd says he "saved countless lives"

I must say that I don't actually know what would have happened if Ashley Babbitt wasn't shot in the nick of time by Lt. Michael Byrd. So it is at least possible that he did actually save "countless lives." After all, she could have pulled out some lipstick and gone on a rampage. But if you can justify the shooting of a petite unarmed white woman with this logic, you can play the same game with any shooting. After all, it is unlikely that Babbitt woke up that morning and thought, "I am going to go attack Congress!" This is a situation created by the decision of the Capital Police to let demonstrators in. The Capital Police is one of the largest and best-funded police forces in the country. They have only a couple of buildings to protect and they deal with demonstrators on a daily basis. "Officer who shot Ashli Babbitt during Capitol riot breaks silence: 'I saved countless lives'." PeterKa (talk) 00:16, August 27, 2021 (EDT)

Who do you think came up with that phrase "countless", NBC scriptwriters or his lawyer? I say his lawyer, but I wouldn't put it past NBC, either. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 14:31, August 27, 2021 (EDT)

Byrd knew that a group of officers would be arriving at any minute. His window of opportunity was closing. Babbitt was the easiest target available to him at that moment.[29] PeterKa (talk) 18:28, August 28, 2021 (EDT)

This is Narrative Engineering 101. Now the official historical account becomes, "Officer Byrd shot Babbitt, saving countless lives." RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:18, August 28, 2021 (EDT)

Taliban kills Afghan comedian

This isn't funny: "Taliban Fighters Execute Famous Comedian Nazar Mohammad Because He Made Fun Of Them." Here is one of his videos. PeterKa (talk) 15:14, August 30, 2021 (EDT)

• Susan Rice’s deputies when she was Obama’s National Security Advisor were Anthony Blinken and Avril Haines.
• Susan Rice appointed director of Domestic Policy Council.
• Jake Sullivan to NPR: “We’ve reached a point where foreign policy is domestic policy, and domestic policy is foreign policy.” [30]
• Biden: “There’s no longer a bright line between foreign and domestic policy.” [31]
• Team Obama is in charge of Biden foreign policy, [32] with Susan Rice as the "shadow president". [33]
• Andrew McCarthy in Sept. 2014 National Review: ISIS-K Does Not Exist;

• "Obama has not quelled our enemies; he has miniaturized them [ jayvee group, etc]. The jihad and the sharia supremacism that fuels it form the glue that unites the parts into a whole — a worldwide, ideologically connected movement rooted in Islamic scripture that can project power on the scale of a nation-state and that seeks to conquer the West. The president does not want us to see the threat this way. For a product of the radical Left like Obama, terrorism is a regrettable but understandable consequence of American arrogance. That it happens to involve Muslims is just the coincidental fallout of Western imperialism in the Middle East.

• IOWs, the Taliban and jihadis are the good guys. This is the revival of the global jihad of the Obama era. "Al Qaeda is our friend," to quote Jake Sullivan. American imperialists abandoned at the airport get what they deserve (they're probably a bunch of Patriotic insurrectionists, anyway). "Foreign policy is domestic policy": take heed, the policy of the Biden junta is to abandon middle class Americans to jihadi terrorists. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:28, August 30, 2021 (EDT)

The Taliban offered Biden control of Kabul

WaPo is reporting that the Taliban offered to allow the U.S. to retain control of Kabul until August 31 to allow time for Americans and refugees to be flown out. Biden turned this proposal down. See "Surprise, panic, and fateful choices: The day America lost its longest war."

Not only is the U.S. leaving behind 300 Americans, it's giving the Taliban a list of names. Abandoning Bagram can be seen simply as a mistake. Turning over $85 billion in weapons is incompetence on a grand scale. But if he gave up Kabul prematurely, it's hard to interpret what Biden is doing as anything other than treason. It's past time to impeach him. PeterKa (talk) 18:28, August 30, 2021 (EDT)

The historical parallel that comes to my mind is Truman selling out China to Mao and the communists in 1945-1946. When the Republicans won the 1946 midterms, it finally occurred to Truman that the communists were not there to save him. When Truman gave his famous "Truman Doctrine" speech in March 1947, he was the last person in American politics to understand that communists were a threat. PeterKa (talk) 18:54, August 30, 2021 (EDT)

I see Susan Rice and Barack Obama behind all of this, and those patriots who volunteered for service in Afghanistan getting what they deserved. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:01, August 30, 2021 (EDT)

"Getting what they deserved?" That sounds like your siding with the Taliban terrorists and leftists in power. Sorry, but they DIDN'T deserve this at all. Besides, would you have preferred it if Bush done appeasements after 9/11 like Clinton did constantly during the 1990s, including blowing off no less than ten assassinations against Osama bin Laden? Pokeria1 (talk) 20:41, August 30, 2021 (EDT)

Me siding with the Taliban? Biden, Rice, and Obama have already done so. And it was Susan Rice who "blew off assassinations against bin Laden." RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:56, August 30, 2021 (EDT)

Let's use this for openers: WaPo, June 30, 2002, Intelligence Failure? Let's Go Back to Sudan. I have more and better sources than WaPo. As is typical in Democrat administrations, a low-level flunky like Rice in the White House gets to overrule the Secretary of State. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:12, August 30, 2021 (EDT)

"Biden, Rice, and Obama have already done so." That's why I made sure I listed the left, ie, people like Rice, Obama, Biden, and yes, Clinton as well, as being among those you sided with regarding that comment you yourself made. The American soldiers who volunteered NEVER deserved this sort of humiliation of being abandoned by their own country, and you know it. Pokeria1 (talk) 21:26, August 30, 2021 (EDT)

Well, Biden is the president, or so I'm told. And Rice is the shadow president making all the decisions (or relaying them from Obama). And as has been reported, to oppose Biden is to be a VDE (violent domestic extremist). So I'm just minding my p's and q's. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:41, August 30, 2021 (EDT)

People will soon long for the old days, when to oppose Obama just made you a racist. Now to oppose Biden makes you a domestic terror threat. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:49, August 30, 2021 (EDT)

If Biden calls me a VDE/domestic terror threat, I might as well let him. Rather let him falsely call me that, than basically capitulate to that pretender and let him do further damage to America, which, you know, is supposed to be what we're doing: Stopping the left from destroying America. Besides, I've been called a great deal many worse on the web anyways by internet trolls, calling me those things is not going to deter me in the slightest. Pokeria1 (talk) 23:13, August 30, 2021 (EDT)

Oh you're such a martyr. You have no trouble spending 8 months in solitary confinement 23 hours day in a Biden gulag, enduring beatings and denied medical treatment (except for forced vaccinations), losing your job, home and family, and cut off from banking services, too. Denied bail, trial, and legal counsel. Keep up the tuff talk. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:48, August 31, 2021 (EDT)

When the Taliban captured Kandahar on August 12, it occurred to those in charge that time was running out. This was the last time the army offered any resistance to the Taliban. On August 14, Taliban fighters bicycled into Mazar, hub city of the North. By August 15, the parties had worked out a deal. Ghani would remain in Kabul until August 31 to allow for an orderly transition. But by this time, the Taliban was already in Kabul and key allies were defecting. So Ghani was no longer keen on the deal. When he fled on August 15, the government immediately collapsed. The Taliban offered to let the U.S. administer the city until August 31, but Biden refused. Why keep Kabul if you've already abandoned Bagram, which is both more important strategically and easier to defend? PeterKa (talk) 21:01, August 30, 2021 (EDT)

It's still all goes back to closing Bagram on July 2 and not informing the Afghan govt. That's why the Afghan army didn't fight, and that's why Ghani fled. The only misinformation here is a "surprise" takeover of Kabul, as I just saw reported on WION. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:03, August 30, 2021 (EDT)

Here's a clue just how ignorant Democrats, their longtime Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman, and sycophantic staffers are and have been for generations on foreign policy. New Republic, October 21, 2001, five weeks after 9/11:

"Biden launches into a stream-of-consciousness monologue about what his committee should be doing, before he finally admits the obvious: “I’m groping here.” Then he hits on an idea: America needs to show the Arab world that we’re not bent on its destruction. “Seems to me this would be a good time to send, no strings attached, a check for $200 million to Iran,” Biden declares. He surveys the table with raised eyebrows, a How do ya like that? look on his face. [34]

Duh, ah

• (A) Did anyone stop to tell Biden that Iranians are not Arabs, but rather Persians?
• (B) Iran was found complicit in the 9/11 attacks and complicit with bin laden's efforts to overthrow the House of Saud. [35]

RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:07, September 2, 2021 (EDT)

Did anyone at the premier leftist publication New Republic catch the obvious flub? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:21, September 2, 2021 (EDT)

You know you're in serious trouble...

...when the Babylon Bee departs from parody and publishes a serious editorial,

I think the American people get it, they understand everything that's happened in detail, despite the fact there remains thousands of stories to tell. Anyone who rises to their feet to defend Biden, the regime, the Democrat party or anything connected should be treated with the same shame you would treat a holocaust denier. These people have no sense of honor or regard for human life. They have no personal dignity. They are cold-blooded opportunists and careerists. We need to make them feel ashamed of everything they prize and hold dear. America cannot be governed by this class of blind, ideologically perverted scum who are an offense to our moral sensibilities.. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 04:40, September 1, 2021 (EDT)

Blinken's utter idiocy

Blinken: Taliban must earn 'international legitimacy and support' Any sane person would know that's impossible and would never happen. Is Blinken now competing with Biden in terms of senility? —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Wednesday, 16:01, September 1, 2021 (EDT)

The CCP, Qatar, and Turkey will sponsor the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan's admission to the United Nations. The UK is already in diplomatic negotiations with the Taliban to secure release of their hostages (since they got burned doing things in coordination with the US). Like Cuba since 1959 and Iran since 1979, the US is odd-man-out, with the rest of the world recognizing the Taliban (and its US-equipped armed forces larger than some NATO allies [36]) as the legitimate government of Afghanistan.

After the Taliban takes the younger American females as trophy wives and kills the rest (or holds for ransom) of the men, women, and children, then Blinken & Psaki will say, "the Taliban has not lived up to our requests or expectations". RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:18, September 1, 2021 (EDT)

Do you have an idea for SOTU?

"Have an idea for President Biden’s first State of the Union address? The Day One Project is looking for 50 science and technology policy ideas to inform the Administration’s agenda. Contribute yours here. " [37] Drag em. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:02, September 2, 2021 (EDT)

Texas Law SB8

The Texas Heartbeat Act law is currently dominating coverage by the mainstream media, but it is so far unmentioned on MPR. Here is a good explanation. The abortion providers tried to leapfrog over the court of appeals and get a stay directly from the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court slapped this idea down. The Texas law bans abortion after six weeks. A Mississippi law that bans abortion after 15 weeks will be on the regular docket this fall. PeterKa (talk) 22:10, September 2, 2021 (EDT)

You'd think nowadays that men can get pregnant there'd be a wider constituency for abortion. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 23:45, September 2, 2021 (EDT)

—LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Friday, 23:53, September 2, 2021 (EDT)

"My body my choice" went out with covid vaccines. This is another effort by leftwingers to turn back the clock. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 23:59, September 2, 2021 (EDT)

Texas found a clever way around Roe v. Wade. The law will be enforced by private lawsuits against abortionists rather than by police or prosecutors. That means that someone has to file such a lawsuit before this issue can validly come before the courts. That may never happen since the providers have agreed to stop performing abortions after the legal deadline. Given the hysteria we saw at the time of the Kavanaugh hearings, you'd think the abortionists would be shouting "I'm Sparticus" and lining up to be the legal test case. PeterKa (talk) 06:14, September 3, 2021 (EDT)

Great points. Some abortions will probably continue in Texas, unfortunately, so there will be more litigation about this. But the U.S. Supreme Court decision was a great start.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 09:55, September 3, 2021 (EDT)

If the Texas law violates Roe v. Wade, it could be overturned after it is presented to the court as a proper case, according the Wall Street Journal. Today's decision's can be considered simply procedural, although Biden has denounced it as an "unprecedented assault on a woman's constitutional rights" and "unamerican." Is he aware that abortion was illegal in America for three hundred years before Roe v. Wade? Anything to get Afghanistan out of the headlines, I guess. If he's a Catholic, I am a hunny bee. PeterKa (talk) 16:17, September 3, 2021 (EDT)

Good analysis, though I don't think abortion was completely illegal throughout the 1800s, although certainly there were no abortion clinics and exploitation by an abortion industry as there is today. There was a moral effort to pass laws to render abortion illegal in that century.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] [[User talk:{{{1}}}|(talk)]]

Abortion was a "heinous misdemeanor" under common law, according to Blackstone. This was the law in early America if there was no specific statute. The first U.S. statute against abortion was enacted in Connecticut in 1821. PeterKa (talk) 23:50, September 3, 2021 (EDT)

The Texas law will lead to the rebirth of "back alley" clinics staffed with today's "abortion professionals". After litigation, this will put pressure on state medical certifying boards to de-certify these alleged "professionals". Also, Texas will undergo an "abortion tourism" business, where for a fee, you can fly out for a three day three night hotel stay and visit to an abortion clinic in another state.

Such tourism already exists for late term abortions. There are only three late term providers in the U.S., San Juan CA, Albuquerque NM and I forget the third (CO?). In my town here, we had a "state ID tourism business". The state gave driver licenses to illegal aliens, so some mobsters in New York purchased a motel, and for $5,000 would fly people out here for a few days to get a driver license or state ID. They did get shut down on some technicality. And there is no reason to believe the CCP's international "organ donor tourism" business has dried up, despite the negative publicity. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 07:31, September 4, 2021 (EDT)

Texas clinics can get around the law by doing a doppler test for fetal heartbeat as opposed to an ultrasound. That allows them to do abortions up to tenth week of pregnancy. So 80 percent of current abortions are still legal. Texas didn't do third trimester abortions anyway. You always had to go out of state for that.[38] PeterKa (talk) 16:32, September 4, 2021 (EDT)

Good points, but it's a great new law and the conservative reporting should recognize that.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 17:12, September 4, 2021 (EDT)

The significance of this case is that the pro-abortion side threw everything they had into it and lost anyway. Although Roberts dissented, he wrote a split-the-difference opinion. So perhaps he is persuadable. These are both positive signs for the Mississippi case, which comes up in a few months. PeterKa (talk) 22:11, September 4, 2021 (EDT)

Roberts' dissent was more along the lines of "we should enjoin the law first, then let the courts make rulings before we get involved" (which is usually how laws are handled when constitutionality is an issue). The other three Justices argued "constitutional right" so they won't change. But as long as the five who voted to keep the law active hold as a bloc, we can see light at the end of the tunnel.Quidam65 (talk) 15:44, September 6, 2021 (EDT)

But there is one part of the law which may be an issue: the private citizen part, specifically the "aiding and abetting" part. Lyft and Uber are already agreeing to reimburse any of their drivers who may be sued. Legally, a Lyft/Uber driver can't ask a rider the purpose of his/her trip and the rider has no obligation to say anything more than his/her destination, so a driver could be sued for unwittingly "aiding and abetting". Also a rider may say they are going to PP or some other clinic for another "procedure" which they claim to do -- though usually PP doesn't do all they say they do -- and the driver can't know if the rider is honest or not. (Oh, and I started a page on SB8.) Quidam65 (talk) 15:44, September 6, 2021 (EDT)

Taliban prepares “martyrdom-seeking” squadrons

The Taliban is giving every indication that it just can't wait to get back to international terrorism and jihad. Afghan TV is showing “Victorious Force 3,” a video that crows about September 11 and glorifies the training of jihadis for further attacks.[39] Akhundzada, the rarely seen boss of the Taliban, appears briefly. How many of the "refugees" Biden is so proud of evacuating from Kabul are jihadis? After all, the only "vetting" these people received is that they could get through multiple Taliban checkpoints on their way to the airport. PeterKa (talk) 01:53, September 4, 2021 (EDT)

We're going to need an ETIM (East Turkistan Islamic Movement) article. There are about 500 radical Islamic Xinjiang Uyghurs in North Afghanistan, aligned with the Northern Alliance against the Taliban. These are Uyghurs who have escaped internment in the Xinjiang gulags. This is also why the CCP is supporting the Taliban - to stomp out the Uyghur resistance. The CCP plan is to get the Taliban diplomatic status in the UN, and then the CCP, Taliban, and Biden regime will get the UN to pass resolutions against "violent domestic extremists" and "domestic terrorism". RobS^{Free Kyle!} 07:49, September 4, 2021 (EDT)

The Taliban is a proxy for Pakistan. China is a longtime ally of Pakistan. This goes back to the Cold War when India was a Russian ally. There was a war between China and India in 1962. This war was about Tibet and the Dalai Lama, who lives in exile in India. PeterKa (talk) 10:20, September 4, 2021 (EDT)

President Ghani told Biden on July 23 that 15,000 Pakistani Taliban were part of a foreign invasion. Biden had already withdawn the promised air cover.

It's hard to believe this all was the result of negligence and stupidity, and not part of a larger design. Looks like Biden got his marching orders from his bosses and business partners in Beijing. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:02, September 4, 2021 (EDT)

It was the Carter/Burt Lance/Clark Clifford/Clinton/Riady Democrat cabal that facilitated the Pakistani nuclear bomb. John Kerry, as chair of the Senate Foreign Relations cmte, covered it up as part of their investigation into the BCCI scandal (Biden and Kerry were alternating as chairs of the Foreign Relations cmte in these years). IOWs, Democrats trading national security for foreign donations pre-date the Chinagate scandal. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:17, September 4, 2021 (EDT)

Breaking - Did China just Declare WAR? Sep 3, 2021. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:26, September 4, 2021 (EDT)

Don't make me laugh

Once upon a time, I scoured the Internet for the funniest cat videos. Comedy was amusing. Elephants wandering into a kitchen, ha! Louder with Crowder, ha ha ha! Lately, I start to cough and choke whenever I try to laugh. I never had symptoms like this before I took the covid vaccine, so I blame Dr. Fauci for this. In short, if you're thinking of posting a witty response, think again. PeterKa (talk) 22:55, September 4, 2021 (EDT)

Ground Zero Mosque

With the twentieth anniversary of 9/11 approaching, CNN is again promoting the Ground Zero Mosque.[40] Has any building project ever had such loyal and overwhelmingly support from the media? If you think about al-Aqsa in Jerusalem or Hagia Sophia in Istanbul, the Ground Zero Mosque fits into a longstanding Islamic tradition of "in your face, infidel."

Moreover, the mosque was pretty obviously a fraud from the beginning. On 9/11, flying debris severely damaged a Burlington Coat Factory at 45 Park Place. Sharif El-Gamal bought the property to knock it down and build some condos. In 2010, he realized that he didn't have the money to do this. He declared it a religious site so he could avoid paying property taxes. El-Gamal finally got permission to build his condos in 2017. The project again ran out of money in 2019 a month before construction was scheduled to top out. The media has enthusiastically backed up this con artist every step of the way.[41] PeterKa (talk) 11:58, September 5, 2021 (EDT)

Don't forget Cordoba, Spain.

Most people do not understand how Muslim conquest and expansion of territories occurs. People think of conquest by traditional warfare and fighting (or alternatively rape jihad, although some understanding is spreading); while fighting can and does occur, Muslims first must establish a legal claim to the land. This is done by capturing the land for Islam incrementally, through praying 5 times a day. Typically, a small group of Muslims enter a city where there are no mosques. City fathers then invite them to pray in a public park. As the more Muslims enter they city, the gathering 5 times daily in that location becomes greeter. And the few cubic feet beneath each supplicant becomes "Islam", which they will defend to the death against infidels. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 14:15, September 5, 2021 (EDT)

Biden's big announcement on September 11

Biden was bizarrely intent on meeting the August 31 Afghanistan withdrawal deadline. When he told Stephanopoulos, the reporter couldn't believe his ears: "So Americans should understand that troops might have to be there beyond August 31." "No," said Biden. Americans in Afghanistan after the deadline? You are on your own. For whatever reason, it was real important that everything be wrapped up well before the 9/11 anniversary. This is only seven months in and the Biden presidency already feels unsustainable. His poll numbers are collapsing. He seems to be uninterested in winning the midterms. Hopefully, Biden is planning to announce his resignation. PeterKa (talk) 02:00, September 7, 2021 (EDT)

Anyone who examined Joe Biden's record in terms of policy achievements/failures and looked at his level of honesty and his state of mental health when it comes to senility, knew his presidency was going to be a train wreck. The Democrats were so desperate and short-sighted that they voted for the guy. Sometimes is better to take one's losses gracefully than fail spectacularly in a way that has long-term consequences. A political party can only have so many Jimmy Carter and Joe Biden type presidencies that are big failures before its reputation is badly tarnished. Conservative (talk) 02:09, September 7, 2021 (EDT)

In the past, presidents could rely on a united country in the event of an attack. What's going to happen this time when jihadis explode a dirty nuke over 9/11 memorial ceremonies, or the CCP attacks Guam in advance of Taiwan?

He will likely wait until after the midterms. Then, if (hopefully when) the GOP gains control of the House, he would resign then (on or after January 21, 2023, which would allow VP Harris a shot at the maximum 10 years a POTUS can serve). Quidam65 (talk) 17:11, September 9, 2021 (EDT)

It seems that Biden won't be making any kind of announcement on September 11: "White House: Joe Biden Not Delivering Live Speech on 20th Anniversary of 9/11." I guess the Taliban won't have a chance to thank him personally for all those weapons he gave them. PeterKa (talk) 20:19, September 10, 2021 (EDT)

Lara Logan says Biden wants to return aircraft to the Taliban that Afghan National Airforce pilots fled to Uzbekistan in. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 14:10, September 11, 2021 (EDT)

I'm just gonna say it: tornado

The sad decline of Joe Biden continues:

"The members of Congress know, from their colleagues in Congress that, uh, you know, the, looks like a tornado, they don't call them that anymore, that hit the crops and wetlands in the middle of the country, in Iowa and Nevada. It's just across the board."[42]

Those sneaky twisters and sharknados. They sure look like tornados!

My best guess is that Biden hasn't heard of hurricanes before Ida and thinks that they used to be called "tornados." PeterKa (talk) 23:29, September 7, 2021 (EDT)

National Archive labels U.S. Constitution "harmful content"

Now they tell us: America's founding documents “reflect racist, sexist, ableist, misogynistic/misogynoir, and xenophobic opinions and attitudes; be discriminatory towards or exclude diverse views on sexuality, gender, religion, and more.” The "and more" is a nice touch. Biden and the other politicians who swore to uphold the constitution are upholding racism? Shouldn't someone ask? See "National Archives Slaps ‘Harmful Content’ Warning On Constitution, All Other Founding Documents." PeterKa (talk) 23:06, September 8, 2021 (EDT)

Looks like Milley is the designated fall guy

Looks like Milley is the designated fallguy for the Afghan debacle. Blinken, Sullivan, Austin et al keep their jobs. Can you believe it? even insubordinate, traitorous coup co-conspirator, Alexander Vindman tweeted this:

• If this is true GEN Milley must resign. He usurped civilian authority, broke Chain of Command, and violated the sacrosanct principle of civilian control over the military. It’s an extremely dangerous precedent. You can’t simply walk away from that. [43]

Poor Milley. Looks like a set up. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:27, September 14, 2021 (EDT)

More generals need to be fired - not less. Holding generals accountable for failure by firing them was done more in WWII and previously as well. See: Why our Generals Were More Successful in World War II.

"Unlike less cunning predators, the hyena takes no chances - never attacking unless sure of a kill." - The movie The Jackal, 1997.[44]

U.S. generals need to be at least as cunning as hyenas. Getting bogged down in forever wars with little chances of victory is foolish. Conservative (talk) 20:51, September 14, 2021 (EDT)

When the Bay of Pigs happened, JFK got on the phone with CIA director Allen Dulles and said, "If this were the British system, I'd have to resign. But it's not, so you're going to have to resign." Looks like Biden hasn't even made that call yet. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:56, September 14, 2021 (EDT)

In the bubble world of the wokeness world, where the mainstream press does not hold liberals/leftists as accountable, performance is not as big a concern as the real world. A gigantic red wave in the U.S midterm elections in 2022 will probably be sufficient to cause some firings. That or Biden's approval ratings dropping further. Conservative (talk) 00:15, September 15, 2021 (EDT)

I saw a news report. If the reporting is true about General Milley/China, Milley is a traitor.[45] Conservative (talk) 06:29, September 15, 2021 (EDT)

This is all part of the cover up. He's getting tossed into the volcano for the sins of the administration, but they have to make it look like something else. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:52, September 15, 2021 (EDT)

Newsom beats recall

California Governor Gavin Newsom has avoided recall by an overwhelming 64.2 percent to 35.8 percent. Dems turned out massively to oppose Larry Elder. He's their worst nightmare: A black conservative who ran on the issue of school choice. The recall is said to have cost taxpayers $276 million.[46] If a governor as bad as Newsom can't be recalled, I would say its time to retire the recall procedure as a useless relic of the progressive era. PeterKa (talk) 10:40, September 15, 2021 (EDT)

Same reason they had had to cheat and destroy Trump, cause both are a threat to the entire Democrat party. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:54, September 15, 2021 (EDT)

It's the same reason Biden tried to destroy Clarence Thomas in 1991. If Blacks stop voting Democrat en bloc, Dems are screwed. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:55, September 15, 2021 (EDT)

Here is a typical analysis of the recall by the liberal media: "Does the GOP Really Want to Do This Again?" When I saw this headline, I assumed the author was warning Republicans against nominating black conservatives. But the article doesn't even mention that Elder is black. According to the author, the problem is Elder's "Trumpism." Say what? I thought that the left's objection to Trump was that, you know, "Trump's a racist" and all that. Or does Elder write mean tweets? It seems that the author's beef with Elder is that he is "anti-vax." Yet both Elder and Trump are in fact vaccinated.

Meanwhile, Biden's vaccine mandate is causing a nursing shortage as women quit the profession rather than accept what they regard as a risk to pregnancy and reproduction. Is it possible that medical professionals know something that media leftists don't? PeterKa (talk) 23:27, September 15, 2021 (EDT)

"Trumpism" is an attack term that has proven highly successful. If Mitt Romney or John McCain were to be the nominee in 2024, they would be accused of "Trumpism". If Liz Cheney survives a primary or Adam Kinzinger weren't redistricted out of a seat, they'd be accused of Trumpism in the general Election. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:10, September 16, 2021 (EDT)

Nicki Minaj

MPR currently has nothing about the Nicki Minaj-Tucker Carlson uproar. This is really falling down on the job. May I suggest this summary: "Left Loses Its Mind After Nicki Minaj Tweets Tucker's Comments About Her Vaccine Questions." PeterKa (talk) 19:34, September 16, 2021 (EDT)

Okay chief, I'll get on it right away. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:50, September 16, 2021 (EDT)

Actually, there is a large factual inaccuracy in that report. It states Minaj called Reid a "lying homophobic coon”, which grossly distorts context. But we'll fly with it anyway. Perhaps it can evoke more substantive discussion on the multiple issues in play. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:00, September 16, 2021 (EDT)

oh, never mind. I haven't seen that tweet yet. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:01, September 16, 2021 (EDT)

Minaj's full tweet is linked in the RedState report.

The report asks, "Who would have picked Nicki Minaj as a courageous champion of freedom and rights on their bingo card?" I can't say that I'm a fan of her music. Interest in her has been declining since August 2014, according to Google Trends. Can you dis Fauci, Reid, and the woke establishment and stay relevant? I guess we will find out. Head over to the Fox studio, Minaj! I want to a see a Minaj-Carlson interview. PeterKa (talk) 20:45, September 16, 2021 (EDT)

With 157 million Instagram followers, no way can Big Tech and the Democrat plantation do damage to her without doing severe permanent damage to themselves. Whoever thought it was a great idea to try and cancel her will end up working in the mail room. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:12, September 16, 2021 (EDT)

Even the dimwit Joy Reid saw that when she tiptoed across the line, "you have 22 million Twitter followers, I have 2 million". Everyone can see Reid was being forced to read that with a gun at her head by her white slave massas. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:17, September 16, 2021 (EDT)

"Democratic plantation" - a great entry and title for it!!!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 21:23, September 16, 2021 (EDT)

This story just gets bigger and bigger by the day: Mainstream ‘journalists’ DESCEND on, THREATEN Nicki Minaj family, friends. Get WRECKED. Now they’re CRYING. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 22:28, September 17, 2021 (EDT)

At this point, she needs to appear on Tucker Carlson and tell her side of the story. Hopefully in a few a coming days. I don't know if Tucker went into her invitation to the White House, haven't seen Tucker's full clip yet. But retweeting a few seconds of Tucker to her 22 million Twitter followers seems to be the real sin, even bigger than the tussle she got into with the White House and Dr. Fauci. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 22:32, September 17, 2021 (EDT)

AUKUS

With little to no public discussion, the Biden administration has rather suddenly created an "AUKUS" alliance consisting of Australia, UK, and US. Perhaps the alliance is a vehicle to sell nuclear submarines to Australia. What was wrong with ANZUS, the Australia-New Zealand-US pact that has been operating since 1951? It seems that New Zealand is now considered too close to China.[47] OK, but if New Zealand is too close to China, what about General Mark Milley? Milley, we have learned in recent days, routinely calls his favorite Chinese general to give him a heads up on American "kinetic operations." PeterKa (talk) 15:30, September 17, 2021 (EDT)

It's an extension of the Quad (bringing in a European partner). Also, the CCP has compromised Five Eyes in NZ. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:34, September 17, 2021 (EDT)

What happened? Perhaps an explanation is in order. To thumbnail it, the military industrial complex's of France and Australia had a corrupt boondoggle deal worth $16 billion that wasn't going to deliver any submarines until 2035. After the CCP attacked the planet with a bioweapon last year, things changed. Australia needed submarines NOW for service in the South China Sea and the Strait of Malacca to halt the CCP's Belt and Road Initiative. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:27, September 19, 2021 (EDT)

The U.S. subs are nuclear-powered while the French subs were powered by diesel engines and lead-acid batteries. The French-Australia deal was made in 2016. A lot has changed since then. With China making nuclear threats against Australia, diesel subs don't really do the job anymore. PeterKa (talk) 16:52, September 19, 2021 (EDT)

Right. So Australia just walked away from the deal, leaving French and Australian contractors in the lurch. This shows how things have radically changed in just the past 18 months in Australia, and how seriously they take the Chinese threat (the decision was made shortly after the official announcement from the Chinese Foreign Ministry, that Australia is the "gum stuck to the bottom of China's shoe." [48] This shows that in diplomacy, sometimes you don't have the luxury of walking back ill-thought out language). RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:57, September 19, 2021 (EDT)

Sky News: Australia in ‘a terrible lot of trouble’ with $90b ‘con-job’ submarine program, Jun 16, 2021. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:22, Septiember 19, 2021 (EDT)

At the time it was made, the sub deal was expect to cost Australia $50 billion. Now price tag is $90 billion and rising. $120 to $150 billion is what it might realistically cost. The advantage of diesel subs was that they would be built in Australia. As soon as Australia signed, France announced that construction would be in France. The first sub was scheduled for delivery in 2035. These are enormous submarines and represent an unproven approach to submarine design. Would a defense minister risk sending one into disputed waters? PeterKa (talk) 19:16, September 19, 2021 (EDT)

The reality is, the Strait of Malacca needs to be defended now, not in 2035. The CCP already has naval bases in Sri Lanka and Djibouti, yet another example of how they planned to build their empire and colonialist adventure backwards, and are not ready to lead. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:24, September 19, 2021 (EDT)

What we need to stop China is a naval base at Vietnam's Cam Ranh Bay, the deep water port of the South China Sea. Subic used to be our deep water port, but it was messed up by Mount Pinatubo. PeterKa (talk) 20:13, September 19, 2021 (EDT)

Yes, that's an issue not getting any coverage in the US. It's unlikely however, since Vietnam and China are already in conflict in the South China Sea. Vietnam has not forgotten the massacre of their troops in the Spratly's in 1988. Kamala recently honoring the war criminal John McCain who flew 22 bombing missions over Vietnam, killing innocent civilians, probably isn't quite enough to drive them into the arms of the CCP. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:00, September 19, 2021 (EDT)

Check this out: "Why the US should offer to buy France's submarines for Vietnam." The article suggests using Danang in Vietnam as a naval base. Danang is 12 meters deep. The aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson docked there in 2018. Cam Ranh is 18 to 20 meters deep. Hamptons Roads, where the carriers are based, will be 17 meters deep by 2024. PeterKa (talk) 20:11, September 19, 2021 (EDT)

That makes sense. The US likely will find some way to compensate France for its loss, and Australia will have to compensate Australian defense contractors and Liberal party voters and labor unions for their loss. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:25, September 19, 2021 (EDT)

There is something far more serious underlying Macron's seemingly disproportionate reaction to the creation of AUKUS.

From Macron's point of view, the "Anglosphere" wants to be the sole leader of the Western World, and is thus willing to disregard if not outright sabotage the geopolitical projects of non-Anglo-Saxon Western powers such as France and Germany in order to make that vision a reality. Macron has long resented the "Anglosphere," particularly the US, on that basis; on multiple occasions he has publicly accused the US of essentially treating its allies like vassals (and btw, I agree with that specific accusation).

And this time, it appears that he believes that the US has crossed the line. He is extremely angry, and has demonstrated that by becoming the first French leader to withdraw the ambassador from Washington since Petain.

While it is obviously still too early to tell whether Franco-American relations will get better or get worse from here, I can't help but fear that this may be the beginning of France realigning with China and/or Russia. No doubt that the American foreign policy establishment has this same fear, and no doubt that some elements (*cough* *cough* CIA *cough* *cough* Neocons *cough* *cough*) are already plotting soms sort of contingency that would involve bringing about regime change in France. Election interference? Ukraine-style coup? Turkey-style coup? War? Who knows?--Geopolitician (talk) 22:53, September 19, 2021 (EDT)

Anti-Anglo bigotry is nothing new in France. They still resent the English speaking world saving them from their fellow fascist countrymen. It's like their rejection of 'email' after the French word 'mail' crept into English a thousand years ago, cause 'email' was an English-speaking world conspiracy against France. The idea France knows how to build submarines is a joke; it's all German developers and companies who have been building submarines for over 100 years but are not allowed to compete openly in the international arms market. The more Macron whines and cries, the bigger the bone Biden will have to toss to shut him up. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 23:25, September 19, 2021 (EDT)

Quite frankly, France really should have just restored its monarchy for good, and banned the French Enlightenment philosophers from being read, actually, no, scratch that, make clear their works were terrible for France in the long run. That would be the way to actually restore France to true greatness, not whining about them making submarines when they really don't or petty squabbles with the English language. Pokeria1 (talk) 23:35, September 19, 2021 (EDT)

RobS, if you're of the opinion that Macron is just throwing another temper tantrum to satisfy his massive Napoleon complex, then let me just say that I hope you're right.

But still, the fact that Macron would make such a drastic move over a disagreement which on its face is far less serious than other post-1945 disagreements France has had with the US somewhat unsettles me. Is Macron "serious this time?" He may well be. What also somewhat unsettles me is the probability that the CIA and the neocons are at this very moment brainstorming about possible ways to retaliate against France.

Obviously, Biden's first resort will be throwing a bone to Macron to shut him up. But if that fails, then I'm afraid that France could soon become the next Ukraine.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:54, September 19, 2021 (EDT)

What this incident shows is finally a more realistic approach to foreign policy threats the U.S. faces. The Iran nuke deal only came about because Airbus was ready and willing to violate U.S. sanctions when Iran wanted to upgrade its commercial airline fleet, leaving Boeing out of the deal.

In the real world of 195 U.N. General Assembly members, there are only about 9 members who are legally allowed to export arms to the other 186 customers. Most people usually put emphasis on the nuclear club, but the real day-to-day action is between legitimate arms traffickers. That's the fight over Ukraine - Ukraine is a traditional client for Russian arms, and NATO and the U.S. are trying to steal their customer. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:17, September 20, 2021 (EDT)

That's also the fight over Taiwan. China is one of the licensed arms dealers (although it also has a history of dealing in prohibited strategic biochem materials) and wants to terminate Taiwan as a U.S. client state for arms. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:48, September 20, 2021 (EDT)

There's also the factor of basic geopolitics. The desire to create empires in order to boost national prestige and give greater purpose to the nation-state; as well as the desire to hold territory deemed critical for national security. This factor in my opinion is the greatest one of all, precluding even the greed of the military industrial complex (while also often being compatible with said greed).--Geopolitician (talk) 12:30, September 20, 2021 (EDT)

Empires, and colonialism, have an economic base. For example, when manufacturing capacity outstrips domestic demand. There is a limit to how many TVs, washer dryers, automobiles, desktops, cell phones, clothing and other ordinary products a household needs, so the hunt for expanded markets outside the domestic producer country begins. Here again, is where China failed in its domestic economic development. It built a manufacturing economy dependent on exports, and has not returned the profits of that growth into developing a domestic service sector. Rather, it has allowed a few party members to become billionaire oligarchs, who funnel their money outside China. This is also the policy of the Belt and Road Initiative. Rather than focus on economic development of the Chinese interior, rural areas, agriculture, and the service sector, its manufacturing-based coastal economy is adventuring out into Africa and elsewhere. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 14:22, September 20, 2021 (EDT)

A word on Macron's bluster: This can be seen purely in terms of French domestic politics. Macron is trying to 'out-Le Pen' Le Pen in nationalist sentiment. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:28, September 21, 2021 (EDT)

Let me just add an observation on the South China Sea disputes. China's claim to the South China Sea is based on a 3,000-year-old claim as using it as a food source, predating the Treaty of Westphalia. It's been so over-fished now, it's not a reliable food source to anybody anymore. So of course they're after the deepwater oil and mineral resources. As well as making it a toll road for Persian Gulf oil shipments to Japan and South Korea. RobS^{Free Kyle!}

The first time China made a legal claim to the islands was in 1935 when the government published a "Map of Chinese Islands in the South China Sea." The islands themselves have no resources. This is all about control of the trade routes. The Nationalists drew an "eleven-dash line" in 1947 and the communists drew a "nine-dash line" in 1952. Ownership of the open ocean was not a thing at that time. The line was simply intended to indicate that China claimed whatever islands were inside the line. In the Xi Jinping era, China has started enforcing the nine-dash line as an international boundary. It is demanding that everyone who crosses it registers with the Chinese authorities. PeterKa (talk) 10:35, September 20, 2021 (EDT)

Gordon Chang is a great analyst on China issues. Here he explains how Xi's rejection of state sovereignty and the Treaty of Westphalia is the basis of their claim, to not just the South China Sea, but the moon and Mars as well. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 12:09, September 20, 2021 (EDT)

The 1935 eleven-dash-line issued by the ROC is very interesting; it helps explain why the PRC feels so strongly about Taiwan now, cause it would strengthen their claims in the South China Sea. Alternatively, the issue of the debts of the Qing Dynasty would also come into play. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 12:37, September 20, 2021 (EDT)

The traditional Chinese view was that China was "all under heaven" and that anyone who did not accept the emperor's authority was a rebel. Around 1910, they started issuing maps of the modern type that show this area as China and that area over there as something else. If the issue is control of the trade routes, people of all nations have been taking cargo across the nine-dash line for thousands of years. PeterKa (talk) 14:12, September 20, 2021 (EDT)

I sure you probably follow Chris Chapelle and China Uncensored. He said something a few weeks back about natural disasters traditionally being a sign from heaven that it was time for a dynasty to end. This apparently made the rounds after all the recent flood disasters. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:01, September 20, 2021 (EDT)

Macron just announced an agreement with India to "defend truly multilateral international order."[49]

This agreement is likely to anger Washington, and damage Indian-American relations. Perhaps this is what Macron wants: to damage the Quad.

Meanwhile, let's see if the CIA and the neocons can resist the urge to unleash their wrath on India. After all, they may well be insane enough to antagonize India into forming an alliance with China. Just like they did with Russia.--Geopolitician (talk) 14:25, September 20, 2021 (EDT)

I think you're reading that wrong. Just as the UK found a way into the Quad alliance by AUKUS, this looks more like Frances's bid to get into the alliance, as well. After losing their Australian arms client, they want to compete with the US for India's business (neither India, Australia, nor Japan are licensed arms dealers, and it's no secret now that three of the four Quad members are big purchasers of arms now. The U.S. has every incentive to compensate France for the loss of its Australian business with a slice of Indian demand in the arms market. It'll serve the dual purpose of strengthening both the Quad and NATO). RobS^{Free Kyle!} 14:50, September 20, 2021 (EDT)

This here is one of the mainstays of French arms exports in which they dominate, the small, lightweight, fast Gazelle helicopter. I don't think they really have any competitors for it.

When I first heard France had a submarine contract, I said "WTH? France doesn't know anything about submarines, nor has any experience." Whereas the Germans have been allowed (by the UK & US) to continue development of non-nuclear submarines rather than a surface fleet. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:02, September 20, 2021 (EDT)

If that is in fact Macron's approach, then he has already made two potentially fatal mistakes.

The first mistake was -- in the immediate aftermath of the recalling of the American and Australian ambassadors -- publicly (but correctly) accusing the US of seeking to turn its allies into vassals.

The second mistake was to tout the concept of global geopolitical multipolarity following the Franco-Indian deal.

Actions like those have historically been like kryptonite for the CIA and the neocons. If you're a foreign leader and you're doing stuff like that, you're basically begging the CIA and the neocons to begin plotting regime change in your country.

What I fear is happening right now is a redux of how Russo-American relations fell apart over the course of the past 20 years. Putin, once an American ally, infuriated the CIA and the neocons by taking this route. Ever since then, the CIA and the neocons have been increasingly eager to destroy him, or at least destabilize Russia, one way or another. Macron knows this, and in my opinion he would be absolutely justified to fear CIA/neocon reprisals against him or against France. --Geopolitician (talk) 20:14, September 20, 2021 (EDT)

Since the end of the Cold War, the US-Russia feud is a facade so as to not alarm China. They didn't want China to feel threatened by having a 4,000-mile border with NATO. But China went ahead with its military build-up anyway. Now it even thinks it can compete with the US-Russia monopoly on nukes. In the near future, we don't have to keep up the ruse of the Russian boogeyman. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 10:57, September 21, 2021 (EDT)

The AUKUS announcement essentially means Australia has been anointed as a member of the nuclear club, cause they can take the nuclear submarine fuel and make a bomb out of it. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:01, September 21, 2021 (EDT)

The Afghan collapse is another "Sputnik moment", cause soon China and Iran will be flying their versions of the Blackhawk helicopter, and the US now has to develop not only another countermeasure against our own technology, we have to produce a new generation of a more advanced offensive helicopter. But I suspect unmanned "over the horizon" drone technology may be the big winner here. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:10, September 21, 2021 (EDT)

Here's the prototype for the obsolete Blackhawk already. All it needs now is Congressional funding for mass production. Note the date on the video, August 25, 2021, about a week after Biden gave the Blackhawk to America's enemies. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:47, September 28, 2021 (EDT)

It is a general consensus across both American and Russian pundits that the US-Russia feud is no facade, and may in fact be more intense than the US-China feud. The feud is genuine because the CIA and the neocons want to continue pushing the Russian boogeyman narrative regardless of how powerful China has become, on the grounds that Russia itself has become too powerful and is now both a potential and an actual threat to American geostrategy in both the Middle East and Central Asia. As I've mentioned before, the key to understandinding this situation is reading and comprehending Zbigniew Brzezinski's The Grand Chessboard.

Meanwhile, since you mentioned the Afghan collapse, only China will benefit from it in the long run. Iran may have been overjoyed that we were essentially defeated, but that joy is evaporating now that Iran is remembering that the Taliban is supposed to be its enemy. In fact, in the long run the Afghan collapse could damage if not destroy the Sino-Iranian friendship, as China has always preferred Sunni Islamists over Shia Islamists (due to its close ties to Pakistan). This article highlights how problematic Iran considers the Afghan collapse to be.--Geopolitician (talk) 21:07, September 21, 2021 (EDT)

I'm not going to get into the weeds on the Russia boogeyman theory, but as to Iran, you may have put your finger directly on it. Abandoning $83 billion in equipment, betraying the Afghan National Army at Bagram, releasing the Taliban cabinet from Gitmo after years of brainwashing and negotiation, and retrieving Afghan National Air Force aircraft from Tajikistan for the Taliban are not all coincidences and incompetence. After the failure of countering Iran from the West by arming ISIS, it appears now the plan is to reconstitute the ISIS/Taliban in the East. As Jake Sullivan said 10 years ago, "Al Qaeda is on our side". That Obama-era policy has not changed under Biden, and even explains Sullivan's promotion to National Security Advisor. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:58, September 21, 2021 (EDT)

Update on the Quad alliance. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 13:26, September 22, 2021 (EDT)

Well, it looks like France is sending its ambassador back to DC[50].--Geopolitician (talk) 11:31, September 23, 2021 (EDT)

Yah, what a true patriot and nationalist Macron is, putting the interests of the people of France first. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 13:12, September 23, 2021 (EDT)

Update: France picks up Greece as a customer. [51] In business, we call this a non-competition clause. Japan: Japan goes nuclear with nuclear submarines. [52] India: India to formally request permanent status ion the Security Council. Amen. Looks like the post-1945 world is finally dead dead dead. China: Their propaganda is getting more impressive by the minute. [53] {RobS^{Free Kyle!} 05:55, September 29, 2021 (EDT)

Political prisoners of January 6

643 people have been arrested for demonstrating at the Capitol on January 6. Here is a typical rap sheet: "Knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority; disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds; disorderly conduct in a Capitol building; parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building." One defendant after another has been accused of those exact charges. So it's not about anything violent, just a bunch of people wandering around the building like tourists. Notice that the prosecution's legal description of what the accused did is "demonstrating." No one has been accused of insurrection. See Gateway Pundit's American Gulag.

Update Maybe they should have used spray paint: "Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley dismissed the George Floyd riots as “penny packet protests” — insisting they weren’t an insurrection because the mobs only “used spray paint,” according to a new book."[54] PeterKa (talk) 10:06, September 18, 2021 (EDT)

FBI Rally In D.C. Ends Without Incident. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:06, September 20, 2021 (EDT)

Asking for permission to make material changes to the definition of an article I created

I created the National Globalism article three years ago. "National Globalism" is a term which I myself coined, and one whose definition I now wish to change.

Three years ago, the only form of National Globalism that I was familiar with was Aleksandr Dugin's neo-Eurasianism, and I wrote the article largely as a response to what I feared to be the growing influence of Dugin's ideas within both the left and the right. However, I have since concluded that it would be much more appropriate to use the term "National Globalism" to describe a larger set of ideologies, many which are not nearly as radical as Dugin's but are nevertheless still worthy of deep concern.

Once again, I coined the term itself, and I created the article describing it. But I still have reservations about making the changes I want to make, as it would require essentially re-writing the entire article to the point where it would be totally unrecognizable from its previous self. And I'm not sure whether making such a drastic move would require following a special protocol that would be the only thing standing in the way of me being blocked for vandalism. Because I'd be making changes that are so material that it could very easily be mistaken for vandalism.

Anyone who sees this and is a mod, please follow up when you can.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:09, September 19, 2021 (EDT)

Oh, you want to move the goalposts after you proved yourself wrong? Sure. Go ahead. Why not? We all do it all the time. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 23:15, September 19, 2021 (EDT)

I didn't prove myself wrong. I just didn't properly understand what is essentially a modernized form of old school syncretic politics.

Following my proposed edits, the first central premise about how there is a middle ground between globalism and nationalism which is potentially opposed to both, would still be standing. But the second central premise about how the dominant form of said middle ground "fuses radical nationalism with the anti-Judeo-Christian global revolution espoused by the Soviet Union, and the regional imperialism espoused by globalists," and that said middle ground is "the "national" equivalent of globalism, much like Nazism was the "national" equivalent of Communism," would be knocked down and destroyed. Because after conducting additional research, I have concluded that conflating National Globalism with a rebranded form of Nazism would be inaccurate, to say the least.

After all, after Dugin the second-most well-known advocate of globalist-nationalist syncretism would probably be Charles De Gaulle. And as we all know, De Gaulle was no Nazi.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:34, September 19, 2021 (EDT)

Globalism per se is not anathema. There's no turning back the clock on modern communications and travel, unless we're all willing to join an Amish community and just worry about methane emissions from horse poop (probably not as dangerous as cow emissions). It's the greedy, unrestrained capitalist order that strengthens non-democratic regimes like Iran and China, that then profits a few elites at the top and enslaves the people below in the name of progress and free trade that make "globalism" a dirty word. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 23:49, September 19, 2021 (EDT)

Agreed. But there's another factor that makes "globalism" a dirty word: the fact that the policies you described above can be used for imperialist ends, whether that imperialism is merely regional or a precursor for a one-world government.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:59, September 19, 2021 (EDT)

Upon further reflection, I believe the best course of action regarding the national globalism article would be to move the Dugin-related content to one separate article, the identitarianism-related content to another separate article, and and the neocon-related content to the neoconservatism article. And then turn the national globalism article itself into one of those short and sweet "description only" articles that is also filled to the brim with "See also" links that will do the rest of the talking for it. And then perhaps I could create additional articles about other forms of national globalism, such as Gaullism and TPP. --Geopolitician (talk) 12:36, September 20, 2021 (EDT)

Maybe you'd be interested in looking at today's installment of China Uncensored. Is this what you mean by national globalism? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:42, September 20, 2021 (EDT)

I just looked at it. No, that is not what I mean by national globalism. National globalism is advocating the creation of multilateral institutions which in theory be used as stepping stones for a one-world government, but in practice is used to create a de facto empire centered around the largest and strongest members of said institutions.

Dugin and Putin's visions for the Eurasian Economic Union are examples of national globalism. DeGaulle and (Oswald) Mosley's visions for the EU are examples of national globalism. Coudenhove-Kalergi was probably the first national globalist. And it's possible to argue that the TPP was a manifestation of national globalism.

Now when I first created the article, I was only familiar with the Dugin-Putin variant. Now that I'm familiar with other variants, I believe the article is not only severely outdated, but also far too narrow in scope. It needs a total overhaul. But I'm asking for permission to avoid potentially being blocked for "vandalizing" my own article. --Geopolitician (talk) 20:29, September 20, 2021 (EDT)

Knock yourself out. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 10:32, September 21, 2021 (EDT)

Thank you. I will begin making the changes sometime this week.--Geopolitician (talk) 20:57, September 21, 2021 (EDT)

Liberal double standards at work...

LA County Health Officials Say Maskless Emmys Did Not Violate Mask Mandate Because “Exceptions Were Made” For Hollywood Actors

Northwest (talk) 20:41, September 20, 2021 (EDT)

It's OK to reject the vaccine if you're black

Can an Asian hostess at a New York restaurant ask customers for proof vaccinated status? Not if those customers are black women, or so it would seem from this incident. An accusation of racial profiling trumps Biden losing his patience with the unvaccinated. In short, vaccinated status is just another hypocritical rule that liberals will never enforce against fellow liberals.

Here is a video of the incident at Carmine's Restaurant. BLM has started protesting outside. PeterKa (talk) 13:48, September 22, 2021 (EDT)

We're seeing the stopped clock phenomena at work. It also illustrates what poor strategists leftists are. Not having any work for BLM after organizing them to terrorize America in advance of an election, they left them all hopeful and unemployed. And we don't see the bulk of white BLM supporters standing up for Black lives being used as guinea pigs in another Tuskegee experiment. What is the leftist media gonna do now, call BLM and anti-vaxxer blacks House Negroes and Uncle Toms? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:15, September 22, 2021 (EDT)

Big win in Canada!

We won, you lost! Maybe if you hadn't wasted your time hating gay people and denying the existence of the Great Basin, you'd be able to put up an effective opposition! BigCanadaWin (talk) 02:09, September 21, 2021 (EDT)

Not much has changed. The Liberals have picked up a seat, as did their allies the NDP. If the purpose of the election was to create a Liberal majority that would block parliamentary investigation of Canada's enormous covid spending spree, that didn't happen.

Some 34 percent of Canadians voted for the Conservatives compared to 32 percent for the Liberals. So the Conservatives have again won the popular vote, but lost the election -- something that American liberals believe happens only in America.[55] PeterKa (talk) 09:23, September 21, 2021 (EDT)

The only good news out of all this is, maybe Angela Merkel has somewhere that will grant her asylum now. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 10:49, September 21, 2021 (EDT)

Speaking as an individual who edits using the User: Conservative account, which is the user account which created the most content at Conservapedia on homosexuality, I rarely think about homosexuality - especially since I am watching less news as of late.

The Apostle Paul wrote: "Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things." - Philippians 4:8. Since homosexuality is not related to what is pure, lovely, commendable, and excellent, there is certainly no reason for me to dwell on it!

I created my content on homosexuality and moved on. After one creates content that totally tips over a liberal/leftist sacred cow, one should not excessively ruminate on the glorious victory. It is best to tackle new tasks/projects. Conservative (talk) 11:09, September 21, 2021 (EDT)

In 2021, Canada was ranked as having the second saddest and most anxious citizens in the world.[56] It appears as though Canadians are stressed out about the pandemic.[57] That is what happens when big government coddles you. You get soft and cannot handle adversity.

Big winners is not a phase I would use to describe Canadians. Conservative (talk) 11:34, September 21, 2021 (EDT)

When I think of big winners I think of Christendom - the largest religious body in the world that continues to grow at a rapid clip! The prominent historian Sir Diarmaid MacCulloch, professor of the History of the Church at Oxford University, indicates that he believes Christianity faces a "bright future" worldwide (See also: Global Christianity). According to MacCulloch, "Christianity, the world's largest religion, is rapidly expanding – by all indications, its future is very bright."[58] See also: Future of Christianity Conservative (talk) 11:40, September 21, 2021 (EDT)

As far as charasmatic/Pentecostal Christianity, "From 1900-2020, Spirit-Empowered Christianity grew at nearly four times the growth rate of both Christianity and the world’s population."[59]

The atheist author and advocate David Madison, PhD wrote in March 2019: "I remain haunted—and terrified—by what I read on a Christian website, not long after the turn of this century: that by 2025, there will be one billion (yes, that’s with a “b”) Pentecostals in the world."[60] The American sociologist and author Peter L. Berger introduced the concept of desecularization in 1999. According to Berger, "One can say with some confidence that modern Pentecostalism must be the fastest growing religion in human history."[61]

When it comes to an export market for Canadian syrup, Canadians should seriously look at the charasmatic/Pentecostal Christian market. Maybe sell maple syrup in Christian bookstores. Like an impulse item at checkout. Conservative (talk) 11:52, September 21, 2021 (EDT)

Here is an video analyzing the election by my favorite gay Canadian. Everyone is mad at Trudeau for calling this election. They blame him for a "$610 million cabinet reshuffle." Ruminate on that modestly! PeterKa (talk) 12:27, September 21, 2021 (EDT)

Canadians Re-elected Their Nazi. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 13:07, September 21, 2021 (EDT)

When Canada proposed NAFTA in 1986, the NYT ran a column entitled "Worthwhile Canadian Initiative." The New Republic responded, "These three words, which appeared over Flora Lewis’s column in the April 10 New York Times, strike many experts as possibly the most boring headline ever written."[62] PeterKa (talk) 18:47, September 21, 2021 (EDT)

Lauren Southern gives a good recap on Candian elections. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:06, September 21, 2021 (EDT)

Current Texas Heartbeat Act litigation

Texas Right to Life has done about all it can do at this time. It warned that Dr. Braid was setting up a trap, and the only people to take the bait were a pro-choice libertarian out of Chicago and a disbarred, house-imprisoned attorney in Arkansas. Also Dr. Braid likely would be putting his medical license in jeopardy, had he in fact actually performed the abortion, and it takes far less time for administrative proceedings to finish than judicial ones: as an example, John David Battaglia was a Texas CPA who was convicted for the capital murder of his two daughters (in one of the most horrific murders in Dallas history, he shot them while on the phone with their mother); it took over a decade to execute him but less than a year for his CPA license to be permanently revoked. Quidam65 (talk) 14:21, September 22, 2021 (EDT)

Joe Biden approval rating drops to 43 percent, per Gallup

In addition, articles of impeachment are filed against Biden. [63] —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Wednesday, 16:37, September 22, 2021 (EDT)

If the 70% of unvaccinated Blacks who make up 1/5 of the Democrat party start peeling away, How low can it go? Let's do some math:

1/5 of Blacks who make up Democrat loyalists, who make up 44% of the electorate, less 8% of unemployed Blacks unaffected by covid mandates = 8% of the general electorate supposedly reflected in poll numbers. So, if half of those Blacks disapprove of Biden, knock off another 4 points; if a quarter are willing to express openly their disapproval of Biden, knock off another 2 pts. That puts Biden and the party as a whole in serious danger. Looks like time for a narrative change coming from the DNC and media. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:04, September 22, 2021 (EDT)

Sounds like emphasizing individual liberty and opposition towards vaccine mandates can help the GOP gain significant black support in the 2022 midterms. BTW, has this been posted on MPR yet? —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Wednesday, 17:29, September 22, 2021 (EDT)

No, but I think we need to improve the BLM article Intro somewhat and add a section on vaccine resistance. That tweet you linked to has 1.9 million views, but the story is not so much a one-time incident, but rather the reinvigoration of BLM to hit the streets again and make an issue. Now the real story here is that, without white support - which constituted the majority of BLM protestors - BLM is nothing. Another example of institutional racism within the left and BLM itself. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:10, September 22, 2021 (EDT)

Update: Corn Pop Slayer’s Forced mRNA Gene Therapy Treatment Creates Drop in Support Among Black Voters, Anticipated White House Response: “They Aint Black”. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:07, September 22, 2021 (EDT)

Hopefully more people will abandon the Democratic plantation in 2022. —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Thursday, 20:18, September 22, 2021 (EDT)

We just have to keep hammering away at the "racist vaccine mandate", one of the clearest examples of institutional racism. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:12, September 23, 2021 (EDT)

Breaking via Gatewaypundit: Group That Protested CDC in Support of Nicki Minaj Invites Trump Supporters to Join Them. Here is where the Samuel Adams quote applies, " 'If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:47, September 23, 2021 (EDT)

CDC recommends booster shots, overriding experts

How many Hunter Biden paintings did the Pfizer buy, anyway? "C.D.C. Chief Overrules Agency Panel and Recommends Pfizer-BioNTech Boosters for Workers at Risk." The Atlantic has an eye-opening expose on just how corrupt Hunter's career as an "artist" really is. PeterKa (talk) 11:11, September 24, 2021 (EDT)

First trial under HK's National Security Law

What happens if you ride a motorbike around Hong Kong with a flag that says, "Liberate Hong Kong, Revolution of Our Times"? The Hong Kong government didn't banned this slogan until the day after Tong Ying-kit's arrest. But he got nine years for it anyway. See "Hong Kong protester sentenced to 9 years in prison in first case under China's national security law." The police have sixty other pro-democracy protesters ready to try, now that they have a precedent. PeterKa (talk) 12:26, September 24, 2021 (EDT)

More fake news

American media, relying on American's ignorance of a parliamentary system, headlines that the Socialists beat Merkel's conservative party. Nah, sorry. The German parliament has 735 seats, 368 needed to form a government. The left got 363, the right got 371. The Socialists remain minority parties, and the next Chancellor will not be a socialist. In fact, the next Chancellor will likely come from Merkel's party.

So, the fact the SPD won a few more seats than the CDU, CDU defectors went to the Free Democrats and AfD. The Socialists, Greens, and former East German "the Left', remained flat. IOWs, pay no attention to American reporting on German elections. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:49, September 27, 2021 (EDT)

While it's good to hear the socialists didn't win contrary to the reports, I'm still not too optimistic overall especially considering that Merkel may as well be on the socialists side with her more incompetent running of Germany, including the border crisis where she basically gave Germany to the Muslims on a silver platter (and that's not even getting into Triers' decision to honor Marx with a bust for his 200th birthday, bought and paid for by Red China as well, instead of actually using that occasion to publicly denounce Marx as a madman who desired to turn the world into Hell). Unless her conservative party has a definite Donald Trump/Marion Maréchal-type take over, Germany's going to be stuck with a bad outcome regardless. Besides, let's not forget that Hitler took over despite his party not really gaining enough seats to form a government (and after his stupidly throwing a temper tantrum threatening three day riots by the SA that earned him a riot act reading from Hindenberg, basically lost even MORE seats than before), so I'm not entirely sure parialmentary rules are going to mean much. Pokeria1 (talk) 07:32, September 27, 2021 (EDT)

The CDU would have to join with the SPD to form a government for the SPD to "win". At that point, the CDU is no longer a conservative party and finished. RobS^{Free Kyle!}

As the leader of the Free Democrats said, the red-red-green bloc is finished. The AfD is part of the majority. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 12:56, September 27, 2021 (EDT)

So now they're saying the FP will form a coalition with the SPD & Greens, leaving the Stazi out. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:33, September 28, 2021 (EDT)

Can we bring back the Daily Bible Verse and Masterpiece of the Week?

Conservapedia's homepage used to display a "Daily Bible Verse" and "Masterpiece of the Week", as well as historical quotes and other things. I think we should bring it back, as it'd really spice up the homepage, which is kinda bland right now imho. The UI also used to be more colorful. I think it'd help in attracting more users and generating traffic if the UI was more interesting. What do you guys think? User:Vince Did 7-14 16:24 September 27, 2021 (EDT)

Or maybe Main Page left can feature high-quality CP articles daily. I've asked Andy about potentially featuring (by which I mean put a header with a link, some introductory sentences, and image thumbnail) some of my page creations, though he hasn't done that. I do think MPL should always have some intriguing and varying content frequently to grab readers' attentions on all sorts of interesting stuff. —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Monday, 17:09, September 27, 2021 (EDT)

Please, please, PLEASE, for the love of all that is holy, PLEASE clarify what you mean by "CP". User:Vince Did 7-14 21:07, September 27, 2021 (EDT)

Oh, wait. ConservaPedia. CP. I get it now. Forgive me, I wasn't familiar with that abbreviation. You had me VERY scared for a moment there. User:Vince Did 7-14 21:09, September 27, 2021 (EDT)

The unanswered question

The unasked, and unanswered question in today's Senate hearing with Austin, Milley and McKenzie is more gaslighting (Republican Senators included, unless the theory is people can only absorb limited amounts of information in a news cycle). While McKenzie and Milley directly contradicted Biden's assurance that senior military advisors did not recommend leaving 2,500 troops in Afghanistan to operate Bagram Airbase, no Senators asked why Bagram was abandoned in the dark without notifying the Afghan allies even after Biden ignored their advice.

This of course leads to the direct next question: Why did we arm and equip the Taliban with $83 billion worth of equipment? (Incidentally, the amount of foreign aid given to Israel since 1948 is only 80% of what Biden gave to the Taliban in just the past month. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:52, September 28, 2021 (EDT)

The military leaders testified that they didn't get the opportunity to ask Biden about extending the August 31 deadline until August 25. So when Biden is "on vacation" in Wilmington, no one can contact him, not even to discuss the most urgent business. Does he lie in a hyperbaric chamber there and no one is allowed to disturb him? PeterKa (talk) 19:13, September 28, 2021 (EDT)

It all comes back to the decision to close Bagram. But no one is asking why it was done in the dark and who made the decision not to inform our allies in the Aghan government. So far, all I've heard is the Nuremberg Defense, "I was only following orders" (while civilian casualties hit a record high in May and June before the July 2 closure, according to the UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan). This suggests strategic decision making above the Pentagon, namely Susan Rice and Jake Sullivan. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:30, September 28, 2021 (EDT)

Vaccine mandates and Muslim immigration. Always look at the bright side of things!

See: Essay: Covid-19 vaccine mandates and Muslim immigration. Always look at the bright side of things! Conservative (talk) 10:37, September 29, 2021 (EDT)

Sorry, but I can't connect the dots. Can you thumbnail the point? Are you saying the mass genocide Biden ordered with mandates is a good thing? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:31, September 30, 2021 (EDT)

I don't think you examined all the various resources I offered. Conservative (talk) 01:43, October 3, 2021 (EDT)

Cause from the title it looks like bigoted bunk. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:18, October 3, 2021 (EDT)

Don't ever ask me to defend an essay you haven't even had the courtesy to read. I will never do it. Conservative (talk) 03:10, October 3, 2021 (EDT)

Change the title and you might get more takers. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 03:52, October 3, 2021 (EDT)

Speaking of "vaccines"...

What Is Going On? Biden Takes Booster Shot on the Production Set of His Fake White House

Northwest (talk) 14:02, September 30, 2021 (EDT)

It was probably just a saline injection being that he's in a high-risk category. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:27, September 30, 2021 (EDT)

Another tyrant pushing totalitarianism in the name of "pandemic safety" falls...

BREAKING: Tyrannical New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian RESIGNS in Disgrace Following Corruption Probe

Northwest (talk) 15:06, October 1, 2021 (EDT)

Why is it these progressive communists have no idea what they sound like or how their message is recieved? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:43, October 1, 2021 (EDT)

IQ study about states getting Covid-19 vaccinated vs. states that are not vaccinated

The IQ study claiming to correlate to vaccination rate is meaningless. Similar studies could make similar claims about opposition to free enterprise and religious freedom, which "high IQ people" are more likely to oppose with liberal logic than low IQ people are. Also, another study shows that the most vaccine resistant people are PhDs.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 12:32, October 3, 2021 (EDT)

Andy, China's Zhejiang province is China's Christianity heartland.[64] In 2005, the Chinese Journal of Endemiology (Owned by China ‘s ministry of health) reported that Zhejiang province had the highest IQ of all the provinces in China with an average IQ of 115.8 which was markedly higher than China's average IQ. [65] The vast majority of the world's regions do not have an IQ average that high. In 2012, the article The Protestant Work Ethic: Alive & Well…In China was published.[66] The article talks about how religion and the economy was booming in China. Business activity was booming in the Zhejiang province of China and many of the Christian owners of businesses are referred to as "Boss Christians".

In China's Zhejiang province both business enterprise and religious freedom are highly valued.

COVID-19 Deaths Among Older Adults During the Delta Surge Were Higher in States with Lower Vaccination Rates.[67]

Also, Covid-19 death rate more than 4 times higher in least vaccinated states than in most vaccinated.

CDC finds unvaccinated 11 times more likely to die of COVID.[68] One study tracked over 600,000 COVID-19 cases in 13 states from April through mid-July. But as earlier data has shown, protection against coronavirus infection is slipping some: It was 91% in the spring but 78% in June and July, the study found.

In New York City, the unvaccinated have a rate of getting Covid-19 that is 5 times higher.[69]

Also, natural immunity is superior to vaccination. Witness healthcare professionals exposed to the virus for 18 months who do not need forced vaccinations. And the Israeli study of 2.5 million people back's this up. [70] RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:42, October 3, 2021 (EDT)

Bottomline: We should not be doing the Biden regime's work on MPR, vaccine shaming. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:32, October 3, 2021 (EDT)

Some people who get Covid-19 never get natural immunity. Some die. More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies.[71]

But on the whole, natural immunity to Covid-19 is stronger than vaccine immunity (which is true for most, if not all, vaccines). However, with that being said, Covid-19 natural immunity combined with Covid-19 vaccine immunity is stronger than mere Covid-19 natural immunity.[72]

At the same time, does the risk/benefit ratio merit getting a Covid-19 vaccine after one is sure that one has natural immunity via antibodies? I have not looked into this matter. I have not needed to since I have avoided getting Covid-19 thus far and have received the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine.

Next, the maxim of an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure is certainly true.

The conservative doctor association that Andy represents, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons recommends using anti-viral medicine hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) as a prophylactic (preventive) medicine in COVID-19.[73] Although I could be mistaken, I believe hydroxychloroquine is illegal to be used as a preventative treatment or treatment in the area I live in as far as Covid-19. So I never looked into using hydroxychloroquine as a preventative measure against Covid-19 for the most part. But I do know, that Dr. Vladimir Zelenko mentioned this matter. And I do strongly believe in Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment which uses hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin and zinc sulfate.

In addition, diet and exercise can play a big role in preventing/surviving Covid-19 and medical/science journals acknowledge this matter. See: Coronavirus prevention, Covid-19 vaccines, treatments and general information).

Agreed. And in addition, why should Conservative even keep his sysop powers if he continues posting left-wing propaganda? —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Sunday, 17:35, October 3, 2021 (EDT)

If you wish to add to the conversations, it can be done without attacking other users by name. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:04, October 3, 2021 (EDT)

For all the people who politicizing a matter that is scientific in nature: Donald J. Trump was partly responsible for the development of the Covid-19 vaccines via Operation Warp Speed. Donald Trump and Melania Trump are both vaccinated with Covid-19 vaccine. Put those factoids in your "true conservatives and true right-wingers" are against Covid-19 vaccines pipes and smoke it!

I hope this clarifies matters. Conservative (talk) 11:56, October 4, 2021 (EDT)

No, it doesn't. IQ, Muslim immigration, China and Donald Trump only make a difficult issue more confusing. So does discussing covid treatments, being that we a discussing the efficacy of experimental vaccines. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 14:33, October 4, 2021 (EDT)

I have never discussed the issue of Muslim immigration in relation to the specific issue of Covid-19 vaccination. If you bothered to read my essay before commenting on it, you would know this. Conservative (talk) 14:47, October 4, 2021 (EDT)

Some hospitals aren't testing vaccinated people for Covid, which deliberately skews the data. Unvaccinated people admitted to a hospital are typically denied effective treatment by ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, which distorts the data further. Claims on CNN that none of the patients in a large ER for Covid were vaccinated was false and not even credible.

The far better data is from foreign countries that lack the tyrannical, politically motivated public health authorities in the U.S. And other than Israel, most foreign countries have lower vaccination rates yet higher survivability from Covid. Why? Because they allow early treatment denied here.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 17:43, October 4, 2021 (EDT)

Andy, can you name one country that indicates that Covid-19 vaccines are unhelpful? Countries and medical personnel around the world are collecting data and there is not one country in the world that is indicating that coronavirus vaccines are unhelpful. Occam's razor would point to there not being a worldwide conspiracy of governments and medical personnel.

Scroll down to Summaries by Country. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:01, October 5, 2021 (EDT)

The USA has an aging population. And aging populations die of Covid-19 more. So it would not be surprising if countries which have populations which are young are more able to survive Covid-19. In addition, the USA has one of the fattest populations in the world and obese people do not survive coronavirus infections as well. You have to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

Also, there is the fallacy of exclusion. The data below shows the vaccinated in various geographic locales in the USA are more effectively handling the pandemic in terms of morbidity/infections.

COVID-19 Deaths Among Older Adults During the Delta Surge Were Higher in States with Lower Vaccination Rates.[74]

Also, Covid-19 death rate more than 4 times higher in least vaccinated states than in most vaccinated.

CDC finds unvaccinated 11 times more likely to die of COVID.[75] One study tracked over 600,000 COVID-19 cases in 13 states from April through mid-July. But as earlier data has shown, protection against coronavirus infection is slipping some: It was 91% in the spring but 78% in June and July, the study found.

In New York City, the unvaccinated have a rate of getting Covid-19 that is 5 times higher.[76] Conservative (talk) 00:54, October 5, 2021 (EDT)

Amen. Science has become politicized, and we have no greater expert testimony than Dr. Fauci claiming he is the way, the truth, and the life. Since the virus was first advertised in American MSM, January 23, 2020, for any layman who has followed this one thing is certain: the alleged "scientific" data collected by the government of China, the WHO, the CDC, and various other North American alleged scientific institutions is bunk. `RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:16, October 4, 2021 (EDT)

A challenge to the anti coronavirus virus proponents

There have been a number of very vocal opponents of the coronavirus vaccines who have died.[77][78][79][80]

Can you name me a single very vocal proponent of Covid-19 vaccines who has died of coronavirus? Conservative (talk) 01:37, October 5, 2021 (EDT)

That depends, do you count these as evidence? [81] [82] [83] [84] Plus, I seem to remember a certain MLB player who took the vaccine who ended up dying shortly thereafter, and he was major enough proponent to take the vaccine. Pokeria1 (talk) 05:38, October 5, 2021 (EDT)

I haven't heard of any of these people. They certainly were not very vocal proponents of vaccines who died of coronavirus. Conservative (talk) 09:05, October 5, 2021 (EDT)

The vaccines are creating an obscene amount of wealth for the vaccine makers. The CEO of Moderna is worth $4 billion. By inflecting the world, China gets three new billionaire. See "COVID vaccines create 9 new billionaires with combined wealth greater than cost of vaccinating world's poorest countries." PeterKa (talk) 09:01, October 5, 2021 (EDT)

I believe in free enterprise. I am not against companies making very large amounts of money. Conservative (talk) 09:02, October 5, 2021 (EDT)

The development of the vaccine was financed mainly with taxpayer money, you know. PeterKa (talk) 09:04, October 5, 2021 (EDT)

In emergency situations, I am not against public-private partnerships. Conservative (talk) 09:06, October 5, 2021 (EDT)

There's an even bigger problem with this: the vaccine makers have an financial incentive to gin up another epidemic. I assume that's why Peter Daszak and Eco-Health were financing gain of function research in Wuhan in the first place.

Here is Eco-Health's truly amazing 2018 proposal to distribute coronavirus in batcaves. DARPA rejected on the grounds that it "hardly addresses or discusses ethical, legal, and social issues." PeterKa (talk) 10:27, October 5, 2021 (EDT)

This has nothing to do with naming a single very vocal proponent of Covid-19 vaccines who has died of coronavirus. If you want to create your own discussion, please do so. But don't hijack mine. Conservative (talk) 10:29, October 5, 2021 (EDT)

Although it's still early in the discussion, the anti-vaxers have yet to name a single prominent proponent of vaccines in the entire world who has died of Covid-19. But I have shown several prominent/vocal anti-vaxers who have died of Covid-19. As much as I hate to say it, so far I have been completely victorious! Conservative (talk) 10:40, October 5, 2021 (EDT)

That connection is suppressed (and confidential), but also only a fraction of the story. The bigger issue is how many people have died, or given birth to stillborns, because of the vaccine. The government VAERS database has an overwhelming number of deaths after the vaccine.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 11:46, October 5, 2021 (EDT)

And vaccine is a misnomer. It is not a vaccine. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 13:12, October 5, 2021 (EDT)

Sharyl Attkisson: (UPDATED) Exclusive Summary: Covid-19 Vaccine Concerns. RobS^{Free Kyle!}

Without offering a scintilla of evidence, Aschlafly claims the prominent/vocal proponents of Covid-19 who have died of coronavirus is being suppressed and is confidential. There is a Latin maxim that has some bearing on this matter. Affirmati non neganti incumbit probatio which means “the burden of proof is upon him who affirms - not on him who denies." The website uslegal.com indicates: "Generally it is the duty of the person who asserts something to produce evidence in order to prove it. It is the duty of the party affirming something to submit sufficient evidence on an issue in order to avoid dismissal of the claim."[85]

I won this challenge hands down.Conservative (talk) 16:33, October 5, 2021 (EDT)https://youtu.be/FUXGB5FzhPc

No, I supplied four links, which IS evidence, as much as your evidence. At best, it's a tie. And I can direct you to FreeRepublic as well, they've got articles. Also GatewayPundit. Heck, the Coronavirus vaccine article and more specifically the Pfizer COVID vaccine article gives a full list of sources regarding the death rate/ill medical side effect rates. Pokeria1 (talk) 18:34, October 5, 2021 (EDT)

Just wait 5 or 10 years for an Inspector General's report. Meantime, drink the kool-aid, which evidently is a witch's brew made from child human sacrifices. [86] RobS^{Free Kyle!} 03:19, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

Conservative Treehouse accuses Mike Pompeo of being the true mastermind of the COVID pandemic

See here.--Geopolitician (talk) 16:54, October 5, 2021 (EDT)

Mastermind? Nah, don't think so. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 03:21, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

U.S. hospitals are lying?

Main page right declares "U.S. hospitals are lying" about Covid-19.

Does that include the Methodist/Catholic/Baptist hospitals and other religious hospitals? No major religion has come out in opposition to the COVID-19 vaccines. A tell-tale sign of the weakness of a position is when paranoia sets in.

The group with one of the highest unvaccinated rates in the USA is nonreligious young people. See: The Young And Secular Are Least Vaccinated, Not Evangelicals.

As far as Covid-19, the fact remains that vaccinated states in the USA are doing far better than the unvaccinated states. Thank God Donald J. Trump launched Operation Warp Speed so the USA would have some effective Covid-19 vaccines in a timely manner.

Rather than go through mental gymnastics, why not give up stubbornness and pride instead? There are worst things in the world than admitting one is wrong.Conservative (talk) 15:16, October 6, 2021 (EDT)

"Religious hospitals" have not existed, for the most part, for decades. Hospitals ride on the good will of a generation ago, but they are little more than socialist tyrannies today which deny ivermectin to dying COVID-19 patients.

Opposition to mandatory COVID vaccination cuts across the political spectrum and includes many Leftists, PhDs, and evangelicals. The issue has to do with skepticism about government and rights of personal autonomy. Much in the letters by Saint Paul can be cited against COVID vaccination.

Several liberal northeastern states are among the highest mortality rate from COVID and also the highest vaccination and education rates. So the data do not support any efficacy to mandatory vaccination. As winter comes in the Northeast, many expect COVID to spike again as people are forced back insight. COVID was high in the South during the summer not because of low vaccination, but because many were inside during the heat.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 21:29, October 6, 2021 (EDT)

Pfizer is attempting to cover up the fact that its vaccine uses fetal tissue. [87] This obviously would strengthen the religious exemption. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 03:25, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

I don't think it would strengthen the religious objection in an appreciable amount due to their being a good alternative to the Pfizer vaccine - namely the Moderna vaccine. There are Covid-19 vaccines developed during Operation Warp Speed did not use fetal cells according to a pro-life Catholic group.[88]

I am not a medical researcher, but I am guessing that the fetal cell line probably wasn't even needed to develop the Pfizer vaccine. I am saying that because it does not appear that Moderna used a fetal cell line to develop their Covid-19 vaccine. Conservative (talk) 06:24, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

Oct 6. BREAKING: Sweden And Denmark Ban Use Of Moderna SpikeVax In Young People, Citing Myocarditis.

Note: the term "SpikeVax" is more accurate over the common misuse of the term "vaccine" by MSM. None of these "vaccines" are "covid vaccines", as the word "vaccine" has been traditionally used and understood. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 06:48, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

As far as Pfizer vaccine researchers using fetal cells, my guess is that they did not have to. For example, GM developed some safety features of cars using crashes with animals. After a public outcry, they stopped. Perhaps, there are very effective ways to do car crash tests without using animals. So perhaps GM could have simply used the crash data from the other methods when developing those cars. Now should I not buy a used GM car or new GM car which use those safety features because they were tested using animals when they did not have to be? Perhaps. But an ethical argument could be made that the animals have already died and there is no way to undo that. And to let the cars go to waste incurs a cost. Namely, if you remove the cars from the market, it increases the price of cars which is a societal cost. When making ethical decisions you often have to weigh the pros/cons. For example, I am the byproduct of many sinful people. Perhaps, some ancestor in my family line committed adultery so the very process of my creation may have involved a sinful act. But does that mean that I cannot do good things or that I should be shunned by society? No, it does not.Conservative (talk) 09:46, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

3 out of the 5 top states in terms of Covid-19 morbidity are states with low vaccination rates- namely Mississippi, Alabama and Louisianna.[89] But to be fair, those states probably have higher obesity rates and rates of underlying conditions such as diabetes which increase the death rate of people who get coronavirus infections.

There are northeastern states that have had high mortality rates due to Covid-19, but that hasn't necessarily been the fault of bad vaccines. First of all, NE states of the USA have colder weather than many states and viruses are often more likely to spread indoors. Also, in the case of New York State there are these factors: high population densities such as New York City (NYC) which also has many immigrants from Europe/Italy/China who likely helped cause the spread of the disease due to large international airports being in NYC (Trump did stop travelers from China earlier than most public officials wanted to, but a lot of European travelers probably brought Covid-19 into NYC. For example, Italy suffered greatly during the early part of the pandemic and there are a lot of Italian-Americans in New York City and NYC has a large Chinatown as well); and Andrew Cuomo brought Covid-19 patients into nursing homes. NJ has a high population density as well.

I have worked for religious hospitals and they did a lot of good work. They were certainly not tyrannies. Religious hospitals give superior medical care to secular hospitals. See: Religious hospitals vs. secular hospitals: Quality of care

I haven't looked at the efficacy of ivermectin, but even if ivermectin were helpful, an ounce of prevention is still generally worth a pound of cure. And good Covid-19 vaccines do provide good preventative care. But if Merck is going to roll out a very good antiviral for Covid-19, which may be the case, that would certainly be a good development.

As far as personal autonomy and medical ethics, there is the counter-argument to be made that a vaccinated person is less likely to get and therefore transmit Covid-19 although it is not 100% foolproof due to breakthrough cases. In addition, a vaccinated person who catches Covid-19 generally has less severe cases of Covid-19 (See: Coronavirus prevention, Covid-19 vaccines, treatments and general information) and therefore is less of a burden to the medical system. As far as medical systems, Covid-19 has overwhelmed some hospital systems in the USA and abroad at various times for various reasons such as the delta variant. Conservative (talk) 07:05, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

Hospitals, regardless of religious affiliation or not, are paid to classify deaths as covid deaths. This means if a person gets hit by a bus, and tests positive in the morgue for covid, the hospital gets paid $14,000 for classifying it as a covid death. This is a corruption of science, which has affected all the so-called "data". RobS^{Free Kyle!} 07:14, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

The problem with that line of argumentation is that the Covid-19 vaccinated individuals are far less likely to die of Covid-19 by a very large margin.

In addition, there certainly may be medical systems in the world that don't pay hospitals additional money for Covid-19 patients. And the opponents of Covid-19 vaccination have yet to show there is an international conspiracy of medical personnel, medical journals and governments in terms of Covid-19 vaccination. Conservative (talk) 07:22, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

The problem with your defense is (a) you fail to recognize there is no covid vaccine, and (b) there is no valid scientific data to make any of your claims. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 07:30, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

The Delta variant itself was born from the mRNA experiments. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 07:32, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

And the biggest problem you have is the Nuremberg Code; these are not "vaccines", they are genetic experiments. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 07:34, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

First of all, there are various types of vaccines (see: Are mRNA vaccines ‘true’ vaccines?). And there are plenty of doctors, medical authorities/entities who consider the mRNA vaccines to be vaccines. mRNA vaccines fall under the category of nucleic acid vaccines.

mRNA technology "is not new. Over the past few decades, scientists have run clinical trials with mRNA vaccines for influenza, Zika, Ebola, cytomegalovirus, and rabies."[90] Conservative (talk) 09:22, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

Ok, Dr. Robert Malone, inventor of the mRNA vaccine technology, says don't take the vaccine, it is causing the mutations that produce variants. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 09:49, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

One positive byproduct of my involvement with Conservapedia is that I see with greater clarity that experts can be wrong - especially when making forecasts about the future or making statements about the distant past (But I did read an argument to that effect previously (Alan Hayward's 1983 book God's Truth). See also: Limitations of science. So in various cases, relying on expert opinion excessively is a bad practice. And relying solely on expert opinion when making an argument is an appeal to authority logical fallacy.

But I am not anti expert. Society does need experts/expertise. If I were to break my leg today and it needed an orthopedic surgeon to fix it optimally, I would not hesitate to have such a surgeon operate on it. Conservative (talk) 10:03, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

As an aside, I would agree with one aspect of the article you cited. It is best not to rely on one method to tackle the coronavirus pandemic. Personally, given the delta variant, I have decided to use these methods of avoid getting a Covid-19 infection: vaccination; hand washing; doing remote work instead of working in companies offices/facilities; using double-masking and a face shield when shopping; improving my diet (I am now eating a pescatarian diet); exercise; zinc and Vitamin D supplementation to increase my natural immunity; staying 6 feet away from strangers when possible; shopping during non-peak hours when possible; and using an ozone generator to periodically disinfect various items.

So far, I have avoided getting Covid-19. I am doing better than some people I know. I personally know 3 people who got Covid-19 twice. They were determined to not change their lifestyle during a pandemic in an appreciable way. Some of my friends/associates are daredevils and/or they are stubborn. I still like them, but I am not going to copy what they have done during the pandemic.

Now am I totally committed to keep on using these various methods to avoid getting Covid-19 indefinitely? No, I am not. If new information comes in, I am certainly adaptable enough in my thinking to change course if it is warranted. Conservative (talk) 10:32, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

Here's how the mRNA vaxx's work, in laymen's terms: the original mRNA is designed to fight the original covid-19, not its variants. Two vaccinated individuals get together and infect each other, producing a new variant. There are now 185 known varients (more than the number of letters in the Greek alphabet). The original covid-19 pandemic, for which the mRNA vaccine was designed, is passed. You will need an additional 185 vaccines for an additional 185 new coronavirus variants (known as of now), especially considering the harmful effects mRNA vaccines have in suppressing normal immunological function.

So roll up both your sleeves, cause as of now you'll need 185 injection points. A year from now, that number could be tenfold (assuming they can produce 185 vaccines for 185 varients.) Like a heroin addict, you'll end up injecting yourself between your toes.

Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J vaccines produce no protection from variants. Vaccinated people are the superspreaders of variants. Only the unvaccinated have natural immunity.RobS^{Free Kyle!} 10:26, October 7, 2021 (EDT

Update: ‘Fully Vaccinated’ Are COVID ‘Super-Spreaders,’ Says Inventor of mRNA Technology. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:43, October 12, 2021 (EDT)

There are many demonstrable lies by the public health socialists (e.g., denying the virus is manmade, denying that some of the vaccinated are later hospitalized due to the virus, downplaying the deaths and injuries from the vaccine). In light of all those falsehoods, how can anyone give any credibility to public health socialists' claims now?--Andy Schlafly (talk) 16:13, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

Ashlafly, the historian David Hackett Fischer in his book Historians' Fallacies : Toward a Logic of Historical Thought points out that historical investigations are probabilistic. While the lab theory might be the inference to the best explanation, it is not the only possible explanation. To say the virus is man-made with 100% certainly goes beyond what you could possibly know - especially since communist China is not a very open society. Second, I know of no medical authorities who deny that the Covid-19 vaccinated can later wind up in the hospital with a Covid-19 infection. Andy, please show me one fairly recent Covid-19 vaccine advocate who denies "that some of the vaccinated are later hospitalized due to the virus." You made the claim, please support it. But I do know that I have shared information that indicates that hospitalization for Covid-19 for the vaccinated is far less likely.

In short, you are making claims that you are not supporting. Conservative (talk) 17:31, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

The Conservative Twins: The Vaccinated Are Dying In Australia From ‘COVID’ (language warning). Just get to the part where the government spokesman from New South Wales announces 7 deaths, 6 who were vaccinated, three who were fully vaccinated, and only one unvaccinate4. The Hodge Twins have 2 million subscribers, so despite racism and censorship, the message of the truth is still getting out there to people who need information. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:49, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

You can't decide public policy on the basis of 7 deaths and their vaccination rates. That is far too small of a sample to be a statistically meaningful sample.

Anyways, I am done with debating willful anti Covid-19 vaccine people who make poor arguments. My time could be better spent. As they say, "A man convinced against will is of the same opinion still." Conservative (talk) 19:36, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

That is only one day report. Do you need more reports over longer spans from Australia and other countries? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:35, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

There's no doubt that COVID-19 was manmade, and it is absurd to pretend that after nearly 2 years of the disease the authorities haven't figured that out. It is quickly apparently whether something is manmade or natural. Even the very biased socialist medical journal Lancet published correspondence recently showing that evidence points only to COVID-19 being manmade, and even Anthony Fauci has backtracked on his comments last year pretending the virus was natural.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 19:54, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

After seeing this video, we may be able to hypothesize what Dr. Fauci, Shi Zengli, Ralph Baric, Peter Daszak and other's were thinking by tinkering around with gain of function. We will even extend an element of 'good faith', and not accuse them of trying to exterminate babyboomers and replace them with Haitians and Afghanis loyal to the Democrat party. No, in their 'enlightened' wisdom, they were trying to produce an mRNA genetic modification vaccine to cure the common cold and other common viruses rather than the traditional "egg-based vaccine manufacturing." RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:35, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

Unfortunately, their scientific feat of engineering turned into another disaster. like the Titanic, Tower of Babel, and space shuttle Challenger. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:39, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

Against my better judgement I decide to jump into this debate one more time.

Andy Schlafly wrote: "Even the very biased socialist medical journal Lancet published correspondence recently showing that evidence points only to COVID-19 being manmade".

But as recently as September 17, 2021 the British medical journal Lancet wrote in an article entitled An appeal for an objective, open, and transparent scientific debate about the origin of SARS-CoV-2 the following: "Overwhelming evidence for either a zoonotic or research-related origin is lacking: the jury is still out. On the basis of the current scientific literature, complemented by our own analyses of coronavirus genomes and proteins, ...we hold that there is currently no compelling evidence to choose between a natural origin (ie, a virus that has evolved and been transmitted to humans solely via contact with wild or farmed animals) and a research-related origin (which might have occurred at sampling sites, during transportation or within the laboratory, and might have involved natural, selected, or engineered viruses)." Conservative (talk) 01:26, October 8, 2021 (EDT)

Sky News Australia, which is politically right leaning, published a video on Sep 27, 2021 entitled SPECIAL INVESTIGATION: What Really Happened in Wuhan. Mike Pompeo essentially said in the video that there is plenty of indirect evidence to support the Wuhan lab leak theory, but no direct evidence. It seems as though Pompeo is right in this matter.

If there was direct evidence of a coronavirus lab leak, it may have all been destroyed by the Chinese Communist Party. Various relevant people have disappeared, data has disappeared from public view, etc. Conservative (talk) 02:08, October 8, 2021 (EDT)

That's part of the scandal - The Lancet appointed Peter Daszak to head the commission to investigate origins; Daszak was the cut out between Fauci and WIV. Due to Daszak's conflict of interest (and other factors), the Lancet's inquiry was scrubbed, and The Lancet now has suffered damage to its reputation.

Do you think the MSM is reporting any of this? UseFobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:25, October 8, 2021 (EDT)

For starters, it is absurd for any official to pretend that it takes more than 1.5 years to determine if a virus was manmade. So anyone who takes that position, such as Anthony Fauci, has NO credibility.

As to the Lancet article, it explains that there is NO evidence of a natural origin for the virus, while there is clear evidence of a manmade origin. And that is in the version that was printed by Lancet to its enormous humiliation in light of its prior articles trying to smear anyone who suggested a manmade origin. Imagine what the draft of this new article confirming the manmade origin said in its stronger form before Lancet presumably tried to dilute it.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 15:51, October 8, 2021 (EDT)

Ah yes, The Lancet, which published a hit piece last year spreading conspiracy theories about hydroxychloroquine and had to retract it due to "major flaws" in the research data. —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Friday, 15:59, October 8, 2021 (EDT)

Andy, being a Harvard trained lawyer, I am sure you know the difference between direct evidence and indirect evidence. And I am sure you know what Lancet means when they say, "The jury is still out".

The Chinese are like Italian mobsters. They disappear witnesses and bury evidence. It's time to get Rudy Guliani on this case. Conservative (talk) 16:04, October 8, 2021 (EDT)

The USA does not need an airtight case to punish the Chinese. The Chinese government let infected Chinese come to America without warning the USA. The USA government can get American companies to move their supply chains through carrots and sticks, demand fair trade from China and threaten to raise tariffs (and follow through if necessary), and pressure China to stop stealing intellectual property. It can also form trade alliances against China with allies. Conservative (talk) 16:11, October 8, 2021 (EDT)

(edit conflict) When someone says "The jury is still out" more than 1.5 years after deliberations began, it means liberal denial. Again, anyone who pretends it takes that long to look at a virus and determine if it is manmade is going to have credibility problems on related issues.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 16:13, October 8, 2021 (EDT)

There are certain historical question we will never know the definitive answer to, Who burnt down the Reichstag? Who killed JFK? etc. But we do know the CCP lied and tried to cover it up, and we know American MSM was only too willing to accommodated the CCP. And we know the CCP has successfully infiltrated and compromised Western and global health institutions such as the WHO , the NIH. and the Lancet.

The question is no longer, Is it manmade?, and we're moving past the question of Was it an accident or intentional? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:41, October 8, 2021 (EDT)

Upsate: Oregon Senators Call for Investigation Into Alleged COVID-19 Statistical Manipulation.

Sens. Kim Thatcher and Dennis Linthicum, both Republicans, have petitioned Acting U.S. Attorney Scott E. Asphaug to launch a grand jury investigation into the measurement of COVID-19 statistics by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)....a whistleblower, under sworn testimony, said the data reported under the CDC’s Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System may have been underreported by a factor of five.

RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:49, October 12, 2021 (EDT)

Singapore has a far lower rate of Covid-19 deaths than the United States by an absolutely huge order of magnitude.[91] This is unlikely the result of data manipulation given the order of magnitude. Singaporeans have superior public health policies to the USA when it comes to the pandemic and they are a more sensible population when it comes to the pandemic compared to Americans. If you don't wear a mask or get vaccinated in Singapore, they cane you! (Only joking). Conservative (talk) 22:02, October 12, 2021 (EDT)

The untold story is, while we've all been in panic over the Dem pandemic, the common flu has been cured, per the CDC. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 14:22, October 13, 2021 (EDT)