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Ukraine Counter Offensive

The work of the Ukrainian Einsatzgruppen in Kharkov in the fall of 2022. [1]

From: https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/06/14/ukraines-counter-offensive-is-making-mixed-progress

"Ukraine’s counter-offensive is now into its second week. Its shape is gradually becoming clearer. One long-standing axis points east, at the area around the bloodily contested town of Bakhmut and in Luhansk province. A new one aims south and south-east from Velyka Novosilka and Vuhledar in Donetsk province. And a third has opened in the south, where Ukrainian troops are battling their way south around the town of Orikhiv in Zaporizhia province, which forms the central part of the war’s long front line. They are making progress. But neither side has committed its reserves and the most important fighting may not occur for another week or so.

The thrust in Donetsk so far appears to have been the most successful. Ukraine used seven brigades near Velyka Novosilka to liberate around 60 sq km of territory within four days, says Konrad Muzyka of Rochan Consulting, a firm that tracks the war. That included a cluster of villages hugging the Mokri Yaly river, including Blahodatne, liberated on June 11th; Storozheve, where video footage showed marines walking through the village and brandishing a Ukrainian flag in the centre; and Makarivka to the south. The tiny villages of Urozhaine and Staromaiorske may be next."

I predict that, come Christmas 2023:

(1) Russia would have suffered around 330,000 losses (it's at 215,000 now), (2) The Ukrainian Counter Offensive will be largely successful, as was taking Kharkiv back last year (I said the same to my pro-Russia friends elsewhere before it happened, about that Kharkiv counter offensive, and they didn't think it would happen, and then it did) (3) Once F-16s are fully operational, to protect Ukrainian Skies, the Kremlin's campaign of terror will be over, and attacks on Ukrainian civilian facilities and other War Crimes will become effectively impossible, because F-16s add to Ukraine's already strong air defenses. (4) Though some experts are predicting otherwise, I'd say there is a good chance (70% or so) that this War ends within 1 year/Jun 2024.

Of course, no one knows the future with 100% certainty. These are educated guesses based on past occurrences and current realities. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 04:55, June 15, 2023 (EDT)

NishantXavier, by Christmas, how many losses will the Ukrainians have suffered? And what do you base your estimate on? Remember, in offensives, the ones on offense tend to take more casualties. Also, watch the Professor John Joseph Mearsheimer video: "Ukraine Did Well in 2022, But..." | John Mearsheimer On Russia's Firepower Advantage, Biden's Fate. Conservative (talk) 07:02, June 15, 2023 (EDT)

Cons: it was an extrapolation from past data. The War began on Feb 24, 2022. Around June 2022, if memory serves, I noticed that Russia was losing nearly 10,000 troops a month. So I posted on a forum that by Christmas (10 months into the War) 2022, they would lose roughly 100,000. Sure enough, here is what the losses were on Dec 25, 2022: https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1606962052643405824?lang=en (102,000 roughly, so quite close). Russia was forced to do increased mobilizations (which led to many Russians fleeing the country, draft dodging by breaking legs etc), and as your Prof Mearsheimer said, Ukraine on the whole did quite well in 2022. In another 6 months since then, Russia has lost a further 115,000. So I predict in another 6 months, they will lose roughly the same amount again, especially once F-16s are in play on the battlefield. With every War Crime Russia commits, Ukraine's resolve to win and NATO's resolve to support them, and eventually induct them as a full member, only grows. Last year, I said HIMARS would make a significant difference once they were supplied: "The HIMARS weapons America supplied to Ukraine may just end up making the difference. According to the below, Russian defenses against them are not working as planned." https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=27620.1785 Even a few days ago, they did: "Russians Furious After Ukraine HIMARS Strike ‘Kills 100 Troops Waiting for Commander’s Speech’", https://www.kyivpost.com/post/18292 Biden was too weak compared to how e.g. a Reagan would have been. If the weapons had gone faster, the Victory would have come faster. But better late than never. Once F-16s, and perhaps ATACMS are in, Ukraine can hardly lose. Ukraine still has a large pool of dedicated professionals, both men and women, working to defend their country. "More than 60,000 Ukrainian women serve in the Ukrainian military defending against Russia’s aggression." https://it.usembassy.gov/ukrainian-women-fight-for-their-countrys-future/

"Ukraine has "probably the best army in the world at the moment," retired Australian army major Mick Ryan said in March ...

As of 2023, Russia had an estimated 1,330,900 people listed among its total military personnel, compared with 500,000 for Ukraine, according to data published by Statista in February." https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-army-best-world-compared-russia-us-military-china-1791441 Russia cannot to squander all its 1 MN soldiers because it needs soldiers to defend its homeland and vast territory. Ukraine will fight to the last man, or last woman, because its fighting for its own homeland and territory. Ukraine is also mostly taking fewer losses.

"According to Ukraine’s General Staff, as of 14 June 2023, Russia lost 217,330 troops killed in action. As of June 2023, Ukraine has lost equipment at a rate three times lower than Russia in the ongoing Russian invasion of Ukraine, according to the visually confirmed losses tracker Oryx; its tank losses are even lower: one-fourth of Russia’s." https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/06/14/russia-loses-five-times-more-troops-than-ukraine-on-the-southern-front-ukraines-deputy-defense-minister/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 01:12, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Euromaidanpress is Nazi publication funded by George Soros and the CIA, that interfered in the US 2016 presidential election and American democracy, and was behind the Trump-Russia collusion hoax. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:57, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Yah, pretty good. Only 7,500 dead and 50% of your armor destroyed. Look at the bright side, you didn't have enough to begin with amd your still only having 600-1,000 of your troops killed daily. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:09, June 15, 2023 (EDT)

Former chief propagandist (until he got fired for telling the truth about a Ukraine air defense missile hitting an apartment complex, killing civilians) Alexei Arestovich, who is a former Lt. Col. in military intelligence, said the Russian lines need to be breached in the first 10 days. Today is Day 11. So far, NATO/Ukraine hasn't gotten within 30 km of Russian lines. All the fighting is occurring in the grey zone (any claim that Ukraine "took back" x amount of sq. km. is BS - as all the fighting is in the grey zone, i.e. no mans land between the belligerents' defense fortifications. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:26, June 15, 2023 (EDT)

BIG WHOOPS - ARESTOVICH ADMITS UKRAINE OFFENSIVE CAN'T SUCCEED WITHOUT AIR SUPERIORITY. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:16, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

Editorial comment: Neither Zelensky, the civilian commander, nor Zaluzhny, the top military commander, wanted to do this offensive. They wanted to wait and accumulate more material. They knew it was suicidal if they acted now while they were still unprepared. Biden and Blinken insisted on it - for US domestic political purposes. Since the start, the US insists on results to show the American people for domestic propaganda. None of these people - on the Ukrainian side or US side - have a conscience for all the pain, suffering, and death they have caused. Zelensky could have refused to send men to their death in a hopeless cause, but he didn't. He takes his orders from Biden, Blinken, and Sullivan The Ukrainian state has lost its sovereignty. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:37, June 15, 2023 (EDT)

Frm CIA Larry Johnson: Talks Ukraine - Intelligence & USA!. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:11, June 15, 2023 (EDT)

Excerpted:

The other day Cons said something like, "The Russian speaking people of Donbas should have moved to Russia." Putin has offered citizenship and passports to the people of Donbas for many years already, and many are duel passport holders. There were more than 700,000 when the 2022 SMO incursion commenced and a million shortly thereafter. After the referendums, all 8 million Donbas residents were given Russian passports and citizenship papers. It is those passport holders now, under Zelensky's martial law decrees, who are being targeted by Ukraine's modern version of Einsatzgruppen (Special Detachments) who follow the main attacking force into villages and settlements and exterminate anyone with a Russian passport or suspected of collaboration (a collaborator is anyone who uses their iphone to give away the position of troops or storage dumps, which is being done by civilians on both sides). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:41, June 15, 2023 (EDT)

The globalist logic behind User:Cons statement, "The Russian speaking people of Donbas should have moved to Russia" to avoid the current conflict is akin to blaming the rape victim for wearing a miniskirt. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:09, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

This genocidal campaign is easy enough to see over the years, most recently when Lindsey Graham says "the Russians are dying," not "Russian troops are dying." You, the American taxpayer who is funding this genocide, failing to recognize that and make the distinction makes you complicit. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:55, June 15, 2023 (EDT)

Updated casualty figures: Since the counteroffensive began, Ukraine has lost 10,000-12,000, Russia lost 1,000. (In the Fall 2022 Counteroffensive, Ukraine lost 24,000 troops to retake the Kharkov region which was occupied by the Russian federal anti-drug and anti-organized crime SWAT unit - an outfit not trained or equipped for combat against a foreign army. Because of Russia's close proximity to Afghanistan, and Russia being used a smuggling route for Afghan heroin to Western Europe for centuries, Russia has a more extensive federal "black helicopter" outfit (the Rosgvardia) than the US Drug Enforcement Agency or the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team to combat drug trafficking and organized crime across its vast open spaces. They were in Ukraine to assist the Russian Investigative Committee (something like the FBI) investigate Nazi war crimes in the liberated territories. They held off the NATO/Ukraine attack on the ground despite a lack of combat training and equipment while the Russian artillery and airforce inflicted 24,000 casualties, until the evacuation was complete.) In 2023, Ukraine only had a force of about 200,000 under arms, including reserves, remaining at the start of the counteroffensive. Russia has matched that in Ukraine, with an additional 300,000+ in Belarus and the frontline of Russia proper. The only way to save Ukraine is with NATO troops. Turkey, NATOs largest manpower contingent force, will not participate in a war against Russia. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:57, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

CAPTURED AFU POW: "A REAL SLAUGHTER, SMELL OF CORPSES, GUTS, AND BODYPARTS EVERYWHERE". Congratulations to all you Nazi sympathizers. It isn't like nobody warned you for the past 80 years that this would happen. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:24, June 20, 2023 (EDT)

US CongressA lone US Congressman introduces resolution demanding provision of ATACMS to Ukraine [not likely to get a floor vote]

"On Friday, members of the US House Committee on Foreign Affairs representing the Democratic and Republican parties announced a resolution calling on President Joe Biden's administration to hand over ATACMS long-range missiles to Ukraine.

According to Republican Michael McCall, the co-author of the Resolution, and chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, if the United States does not provide Ukraine with all the necessary weapons, it will help prolong the war.

"The success of the Ukrainian counteroffensive is directly related to the military assistance provided by the United States and our allies. Therefore, it is extremely disappointing that the administration is delaying billions of dollars of military funding, which could be immediately transferred to Ukraine and in turn help its Armed Forces significantly change the situation on the battlefield," he said.

In the document, the decisions of the governments of the UK and France to transfer Storm Shadow and SCALP-EG long-range missiles, respectively, both with a range of 250 kilometres, are mentioned.

"The United States and its allies jointly own thousands of ATACMS missiles that could be transferred to Ukraine," the draft resolution said, stating that Russia's current dominance in long-range weapons "forces Ukrainian forces to fight at a much greater disadvantage".

If passed, the House of Representatives will call on the United States to "immediately transfer to Ukraine a sufficient number of ATACMS to accelerate Ukraine's victory in Russia's unprovoked aggressive war, while maintaining the combat readiness of the US military".

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/9/7406196/ I predict that when ATACMS are supplied, they will have even greater success than the success in 2023 (which those not supporting Ukraine like Prof. Mearsheimer acknowledged) than HIMARS etc did in 2022. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 07:26, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

The S-400 will do the same thing to them that the S-400 will do to F-16s, NASAMS and F-22s. Man, you like wasting money and killing people unnecessarily, do you? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:13, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

BTW, I doubt Kevin McCarthy would be stupid enough to hold a vote on such a divisive, meaningless, unpopular resolution that could only pass with all the fascist totalitarian Democrats voting in tandem with the neocon RINOs. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:03, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

This specifically here is what I'm talking about. So a GOP House member introduces a bill that will split the Republican majority, but Dems are united. Kyiv fascists are quick to write an article about it, although the GOP Speaker, McCarthy will never allow a floor vote on it. You simply don't realize those are the facts of life, but think this fascist headline is big news. Where are your analytical skills, or understanding of the American political process? But you are intent on making yourself a vehicle for globalist, neocon, and fascist propaganda. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:43, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Thug Putin is wasting money and killing people unjustly/unnecessarily in a manifestly Unjust War, just like Nazi Thug Hitler did when he invaded Poland, with Commie Thug Joe Stalin assisting him from the East. Those who say, "If I had lived in the days of Hitler/Stalin, I swear on my life I would have done everything possible to assist their Poor Victims" have a chance to prove it now. That's what we who support Ukraine's Righteous Self-Defense are doing. Russia is there to kill, maim, rape, annex and steal territory by usurping it illegally or illicitly, and the only reason it hasn't done much, much more damage is because of Western Weapons. Western Weapons save Ukrainian Lives, which is why there is 90+% support for it. Putin is the Aggressor here and needs to leave. If Ukraine stops fighting, there will be no Ukraine. If Putin stops fighting, there will be no War. It is a very small portion of the defense budget. Russia also has elections in 2024, and someone other than Putin winning that election could also help end the War. Till then, the fight goes on. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 08:32, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

bla bla bla - fascist neocon talking points. You could be replaced with a robot, and your globalist masters probably intend to do that eventually. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:07, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Rather, they are Democracy/Anti-Communist/Anti-Fascist "talking points". We will defeat the globalists, and you're not helping. Putin is a Dictator; supporting him is morally wrong just like supporting Stalin or Mao. He wants to impose his will both within his country and outside. I support leaders who are decent and moral and who stand for freedom against communism/globalism and other tyrannical ideologies. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 09:37, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

You need education. The neocon globalists started the war. The neocon globalists support the think tanks that write the talking points that the neocon globalist controlled media spew in propaganda that you echo, for the neocon globalist military industrial complex whose lobbyists donate to politicians who push the same neocon globalist fascist spending and propaganda. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:05, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Putin started the War, after denying he was even going to invade in the first place, mocking it as Western Hysteria, thus knowingly lying. "Russian officials said no invasion of Ukraine was underway and none was planned." https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-17/russia-tells-u-s-no-ukraine-invasion-planned-tass-says#xj4y7vzkg February 17,2022. Yeah, we all know how that worked out 7 days later.

Putin caused some 10 MN people to suffer, get that through your skull. There is no way his invasion is justified. Whether you choose to see the Truth or not is up to you. I for one will not stop opposing Putin, because it's the Christian/morally right thing to do.

"Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; Put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes. Cease to do evil, Learn to do good; Seek justice, Rebuke the oppressor; Defend the fatherless, Plead for the widow." (Isaiah 1:16-17) Putin also wants to steal Ukraine's territory: "Thou shalt not covet" what is your neighbors", and "Thou shalt not steal", Putin fails both commandments as he does also, "Love your neighbor" in the most literal way. Ukraine is his neighbor and he not fails to lvoe them, he hates them and tries to kill them. The verse that applies to Putin is from St. John's First Epistle: "Whoever hates his brother/neighbor is a Murderer, and you know that no Murderer has Eternal Life abiding in him". NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 13:52, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Invoking God's name to push lies. Hmmm, let's see here now.... RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:51, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

We were forced to try to end the war that the West started in 2014 by force of arms…And Russia will end this war by force of arms, freeing the entire territory of the former Ukraine from the United States and Ukrainian Nazis…There are no other options…The Ukrainian army of the US and NATO will be defeated, no matter what new types of weapons it receives from the West…The more weapons there are, the fewer Ukrainians and what used to be Ukraine will remain…Direct intervention by NATO’s European armies will not change the outcome…But in this case, the fire of war will engulf the whole of Europe…It looks like the US is ready for that too”. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:37, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

This whole resolution is just cover for the Nazisymps when public support for Ukraine collapses and NATO is defeated. Then a Congressman can say, "My bill would have prevented the devastating loss of American power and prestige with its defeat in Ukraine, but it didn't get a floor vote." RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:55, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

I'm going to harp on this thread for a while, because it shows the extraordinary bad judgement and political skills of some conservatives and Republicans.

Just as in the recent vote to expel Adam Schiff from Congress, where 20 Nazisymps and warmongers sided with Democrats, why would a Speaker hold a floor vote that divides his own party - that elected him Speaker - and hand a victory to the Democrats? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:30, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Reporter Johnny Miller shows how Mariupol has come back to life

[8] RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:07, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Schrodinger's Offensive

Good read for up to the minute summary without a lot of military technical analysis. [9] RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:10, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

There can be no denazification without the de-Americanization of Ukraine. No denazification is possible in that part of Ukraine that will remain under US rule. It was for the sake of growing Nazism that the United States came to Ukraine. Money is not their main goal. They will pay any price for the destruction of Russia. - Elena Panini Institute of Russia Strategic Studies. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:22, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

The farce that the Ukraine war has become was fairly obvious last January when Germany was refusing to send its Leopard 2 tanks for a Ukrainian spring offensive. Then Germany announced it would only send its tanks alongside American M1 Abrams. Then the Biden regime announced it was sending its Abrams M1s. Then Germany announced it would send its Leopards. The next day Biden announced the M1 Abrams wouldn't be ready until January 2024.

What's this all mean? It means both German and American military analysts knew their tanks would get slaughtered against Russian defenses. It means defense contractors are the ultimate winners for replacement equipment contracts and upgrades. It means Germany has no sovereignty, which is the same path Ukraine is following. And it means the NATO alliance may not survive very long come next January, 2024. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:51, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Another reason why Vladimir Putin's decision to launch a special operation in February of 2022 will hurt Russia's future

Reuters, an authoritive news source, reported LARPers with paintball guns repelled a Russian attack near Kharkov. [2]

Both Ukraine/Russia have poor leadership/populations that are unlikely to develop thriving societies that will greatly have both peace and prosperity in the future.

Russia faces shrinking middle class, rising inequality, study finds":

"Russia's middle class will shrink as social inequality grows over coming years, an economic study conducted by Russian experts suggested, as sanctions against Moscow and limited growth potential scupper development prospects...

Russia's economy proved unexpectedly resilient in the face of tough Western sanctions last year, but a return to pre-conflict levels of prosperity may be far off as more government spending is directed towards the military.

The study's most optimistic scenario sees real incomes exceeding 2021 levels by around 2% in 2030 and poverty dropping below 10% from 11.8% in 2022. In that scenario, the size of the middle class would still drop to 14%-31% by 2030 from current estimates of 20%-50%." Conservative (talk) 14:01, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Wow. Reuters is not only in the business of reporting fake news, now they forecast the future: "Russia's middle class will shrink". I'll stick with Miss. Chloe for now; she has a better track record. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:08, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Secondly, please stop lying to my face: "I don't follow the news anymore, etc etc etc." RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:09, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Russia's decision to do a war economy or a guns and butter economy has economic consequences for Russia.

As far as a guns and butter economic curve (military vs. non-military] spending) spending on the military faces opportunity cost. For example, in this example: "To increase the production of guns kom 20 to 30 and kom 40 to 50 means that society is giving up 5 pounds of butter each time. So to get 10 guns means giving up 5 pounds of butter. So the per unit opportunity cost of increasing the production of guns is F2 pound of butter. That is, if 10 guns=51bs of butter; then, 1gun=1/2 lb of butter." Conservative (talk) 14:25, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

I think we pretty well proved:

(a) you don't know what you're talking about;

(b) your sources stink.

RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:31, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Reuters cites "Russian experts". Anyways, anyone who knows about the guns and butter curve and opportunity cost as far Macroconomics 101 knows that the Russian experts are not saying anything unreasonable. There is no free lunch in economics. Conservative (talk) 14:34, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

What the heck's a "Russian expert", somebody bribed by or on the CIA payroll? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:37, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

You know, we have these three articles, Psychological warfare, Psyops, and fake news, which I thought you even contributed to, but have evidently never bothered to read or understand. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:39, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

You are engaging in bulverism/genetic fallacy. Also, you never demonstrated those Russian experts and/or Reuters were bribed by the CIA.

Reuters report on Kharkiv, June 8, 2022 (left); enlarged section from Reuters report showing Kharkiv civilian with swastika tattoo (right). [10][11]

More importantly, the guns and butter curve in macroeconomics and opportunity costs are not something that the Russians/Putin or any government can avoid. Conservative (talk) 14:44, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

I demonstrated you main source - Reuters - has a Russophobic bias and does sloppy research. Reuters further denies Putin's claim of Ukrainie's Nazi problem. Your source stinks. It not only stinks, it's a bunch of Nazi apologists. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:06, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Can Russia get an economic free lunch or will its economy suffer due to the guns vs. butter curve and opportunity costs? There is never a free lunch in economics and to believe otherwise is totally irrational. Conservative (talk) 15:14, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

You just don't when to stop. After using nazi propaganda to insult all of us, you continue. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:16, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

You need to prove you have purged all the nazi propaganda you have absorbed into your brain about Vladimir Putin and Russia over the past 16 months before you are qualified to discuss or debate this subject. Till then, you are just spewing Russophobic Nazi hate. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:20, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Given that I took a Russian homeless lady into my residence and that I have a Russian music collection and a Russian Christian music collection at this website, your unproven claim that I am Russophobic is going to be very hard to prove. But you can certainly try - albeit unsuccessfully. Also, ad hominem arguments are illegitimate arguments and illogical.

And don't think I didn't notice that you tried to sidestep my guns/butter and opportunity cost strong argument because I definitely did notice. Conservative (talk) 15:52, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Here's your buddies. Here's what Putin thinks of your buddies. Until you can address the specifics in those two videos, we don't have much more to talk about. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:15, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Even Mark Felton, the historian and producer of the first 8 min clip, has now officially flipped since February 2022 when he put out propaganda rebuking Putin, claiming the Nazis of Ukraine today have no connection to the Nazis of WWII. Everyone at that time thought the war would be over in six weeks. The NATO nazis, Biden and BoJo, kept it going because their stated intention is identical to Adolf Hitler's, - to destroy Russia.RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:34, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Update: The History behind the Regional Conflict in Ukraine, by John-Paul Himka. Note: Himka is the brother-in-law married to the sister of Canadian neo-Nazi and deputy prime minister Chrystia Freeland, the granddaughters a Nazi resettled in Canada, as the Mark Felton video linked above discusses. These nazi offspring (like Alexander Vindman, Alexandra Chalupa, Freeland, etc) have risen to positions of power and trust in NATO and the West, with the same Nazi ideology and obsession toward the Hitlerian dream of destroying Russia. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:22, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

I see that you are still trying to sidestep my very strong guns and butter and opportunity cost argument. As "The Donald" would say, "Sad!". Conservative (talk) 16:50, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Because you don't know or understand jack about these issues.

The terms "Nazisymp" and "Nazi apologist" will now have a ring and stick to Putin critics and Russophobes who have fostered this slaughter in Ukraine for the past 15 months, now that it is a foregone conclusion that Ukraine, NATO, and the United States have lost, and will lose. Sure, if Mearsheimer's prediction comes true that Russia will nuke America first before it loses is somewhat remote, it still guarantees an American (and NATO) defeat.

All the people who have not removed their blue and yellow emojis, and continue baseless, relentless attacks on Vladimir Putin and Russia, will forever be tarred as Nazis. Until you show an inkling of understanding of that fact, we have little to discuss or debate. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:58, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Thanks to my Polish-American macroeconomics professor I certainly understand the guns and butter curve and the opportunity cost economics concepts. I also know there is never a free lunch in economics. Long live capitalism! Conservative (talk) 17:02, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Why do you continue to aid Nazis? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:05, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Non sequitur argument. You dogged attempts to avoid basic economics 101 is rather humorous. Conservative (talk) 17:13, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

You guns and butter argument, as proven above, is based on the nazi propaganda you have allowed to infiltrate your brain. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:12, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

You don't have to take my word for it (as you never do); there's enough of your documented support for Nazism in your own words over the past 15 months in Conservapedia. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:16, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Russia, Ukraine, and the Future World Order, Published online by Cambridge University Press: 27 October 2022

Russia's invasion of Ukraine, initiated on February 24, 2022, is among the most—if not the most—significant shocks to the global order since World War II.

I have contributed over 35 items to Conservapedia proven right since 2017, mostly on Russiagate, Coronavirus, and the NATO war in Ukraine. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:19, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Godwin's law strikes again! Conservative (talk) 17:20, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

I've asked a thousand times to just shut up when you begin veering off into Nazism, but you just ignore it. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:27, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Prof. Jeffrey Sachs

I hope you understand who Prof. Jefferey Sachs is before you start spanning his name all over MPR. it is a welcome relief however from all the Nazi agitprop you spam on this page and in other CP mainspace articles and Essays. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:41, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

I don't agree with all of Sachs' views. But since he is friendly with the various people left of center, he could contact them and get their frank views on American relations with Russia - namely on how they were unwilling to have a more peaceable and less provocative relations with Russia. Someone like Mearsheimer who is somewhat more to the right, they would never talk to. American foreign policy makers have never asked Mearsheimer his views - even though he is a self-described liberal. But if you don't want Sachs spilling the beans, that is fine. After all, you are firmly committed to the genetic fallacy. Conservative (talk) 15:57, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

I restored the edit, but labeled Sachs as being politically left of center. Conservative (talk) 16:08, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Now you are attempting to discredit and slander your own source, confusing our readers.

You have had 15 months to discuss Prof. Sachs with me, instead you have focused on nazi agitprop. I have never posted Sachs name on MPR in that time. That should have given you a clue. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:19, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Sachs is politically left of center. But not 100% of what someone who is overall left/liberal-leaning says is always untrue. That is why logicians have the genetic fallacy. In a similar vein, defense lawyers sometimes call hostile witnesses.

You quote Professor John Joseph Mearsheimer on main page right. And you know Mearsheimer is a self-described liberal. You are being inconsistent. You can cite liberals/leftists on main page right, but you whine when I do. Once again, you are being unreasonable.

Lastly, I don't take my lead from Putin/Russia cheerleaders and I never will. Conservative (talk) 16:39, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Look, for 15 months i said you do not have clue what you are talking about vis-a-vis geopolitics and the War in Ukraine that the United States started. And your discovering of Prof. Sachs only now proves that. Leave it at that, rather than another of your lengthy wronghheaded arguments it takes 15 months for you to figure out that you were wrong.

Just begin listening to Sachs when he speaks, knowing he's a climate change activist advisor to the UN General Secretary, and that once nazism is defeated in NATO & Ukraine, we'll have differences with Sachs (albeit with some respect and appreciation for the man). Leave it at that. Don't argue with me using boneheaded arguments you know will fail in the end. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:48, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

LALALA! I don't follow the news. I have better things to do with my life to advance my skills and contribute to humanity.

I know he is left of center. And I am not mistaken, and I don't think I am, Andy Schlafly has quoted liberals/leftists when they agree with him and say something that is correct. Read up on the genetic fallacy - even though you often like having illogical and inconsistent views and often try to screen out legitimate information you don't like merely because you disagree with it. Conservative (talk) 16:55, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

BFD. Focus on the nazis in the Biden & Zelensky admins and NATO. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:00, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Regards Andy, CP official editorial position is to support Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. for the Democratic party presidential nomination in 2024. Given the level of censorship and demonization of RFK, we are attempting to place at least one story about RFK daily in MPR headlines to help him, and keep the focus on him. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:07, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

You're a day late and a dollar short again, anyway. I already posted the Neutrality Studies link with Jeffrey Sachs to MPR days ago and the Mearsheimer link I posted to your usertalk for comment and discussion days ago which you reverted and deleted, again rudely stating it was unwelcome.

These BS arguments with you get tiring when you absolutely refuse to listen to other people. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:00, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

I politely told you before your political post to my talk page which was deleted that I didn't want any further political posts of yours to my talk page. So I was not the one being rude. In 2023, I intend to change my various priorities/interests. Conservative (talk) 22:08, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

On more point: Your "generic fallacy" arguments you learned from David Girard and others who repeatedly tore your arguments apart for years gets especially old and tiring, since you obviously don't understand jack about logic, either. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:32, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

guns and butter

A Russian lawmaker makes the same prediction about economic doom for the US after 2030 that Cons makes, based on the same premise of an exploding national debt. Albeit, he doesn't foresee Cons same prophesy of the US remaining the world's "leading power for the foreseeable future."

“Previously, 70% of international trade was serviced by the dollar, now it is 60%...Can you imagine, 10% in just a short period of time – this is significant...Naturally, this process will continue, because the US undermines partners trust with their actions...So, of course, not in one or two years, but in ten years, America as a great financial power will cease to exist...The US can one of these days let everyone down, because effectively it cannot pay its debts...The gross domestic product it produces is less than the debts it accumulates and whatever the country earns will not be enough to pay its debts...Meanwhile, the US keeps borrowing all over the world and pays out by building up domestic debt...So eventually, there will come a time when there will be so much debt that it will become impossible to fulfill obligations...And then the US economy will collapse”. [12]

RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:33, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

The disastrous 2022 Lend Lease Ukraine aid package of $116 billion is a classic guns and butter illustration. We're out of guns now, and have no ability to produce more - at least on a scale to compete with Russia, let alone Russian and China combined. That's what your nazi leadership has done for you and to your country since Biden seized power. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:43, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

During World War II, federal debt peaked at 106 percent of gross domestic product in 1946.[13] It was not until the early 21st century that the US finally paid off its debt from World War II.[14]

Today, the USA's national debt to GDP ratio is 116.1%.[15]

It will take decades for Americans to pay off the national debt if this happens. And it will require Americans retiring later, defense budget cuts, a merit-based legal immigration system (Winning sports teams bring in the best players), and pro-growth economic policies. The failed presidency of Jimmy Carter was followed by 12 years of Republican rule. I am hoping that Joe Biden's failed presidency leads to a similar string of Republican victories. But time will tell. American economic growth will go a long way to help pay back America's national debt and today's left-leaning Democrats are a drag on the USA economy.

The main reason I believe that the USA will be the preeminent power in the 21st century is other countries have even bigger problems than the USA (See: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future). In addition, innovation and technology will be very important in the 21st century and the USA has a population that has a strong track record of innovation.

Hopefully, a USA economic depression and political polarization will not cause the United States to break up in the 21st century. Conservative (talk) 21:43, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

So what is it? the US is breaking up, or the bloated, stale US defense budget will keep America the "leading power for the foreseeable future" by force and intimidation despite the fact that China graduates 1 million more scientists and engineers annually with a growing economy? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:41, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, and we've even avoided a discussion on the uselessness of America's expensive Wunderwaffen in Ukraine. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:43, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

China is going to face MAJOR problems in the 21st century (See: Skepticism about China remaining a global power). Conservative (talk) 23:13, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

For various reasons such as its aging baby boomer population, its national debt and other reasons, I suspect America's future troop deployments will decline in future years (See: Who will Dominate the Geopolitical System in this Decade?). As can be seen in the chart above, it is down from the Vietnam War era.

The above chart was supplied by User: Conservative. Conservative (talk) 22:58, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

What's the defense budget now? Was it diminished in accordance with these diminishing deployments? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:00, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Watch the video cited below the graph. Conservative (talk) 23:02, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Nah, I have more important things to attend to other than following sources from someone without discernment to recognize Nazi propaganda. Pr. 14:7. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:11, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Digression on the National Debt:

Cons: "It will take decades for Americans to pay off the national debt"

You are giving away too much. The national debt can never be "paid off" under the current structure. Every dollar from workers' paychecks in Social Security withholding is ADDED to the national debt. The national debt cannot be "paid off" by working, since it is American workers who drive the increase in national debt.

Again, you are giving away too much about your lack of understanding of some of these basic issues. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:49, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

If you actually ever read Milton Friedman, you would know that. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:53, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

The more number of Americans employed, the longer hours they work, the more overtime they put in, automatically fuels the increase in the national debt because of the Social Security withholding tax. It is the single largest driving force behind an ever increasing national debt. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:58, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Why did Putin call the dissolution of the Soviet Union the biggest tragedy of the 20th Century? because the Soviet Union reneged on its promises to workers to pay them Social Security benefits in their old age. The Russian federation held to those promises, but Ukraine and the Baltic States have denied Russian speakers their justly owed pensions that they worked for.

So when you bellyache about "paying off" the national debt, what are you proposing? Ending the Social Security tax? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:05, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

There are no solutions, only tradeoffs, like throwing grandma from cliff, as you evidently propose when talking about "paying off the national debt". RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:06, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

My advice, again, just shut up when talking about things you have no understanding of. It's just a waste of time for both of us, since you ardently refuse to listen to others. Just concentrate on improving your own personal skills. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:08, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

I wrote above some major changes that the USA would have to make to significantly pay down the debt. I have nothing further to say about this matter. Conservative (talk) 23:09, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

LALALA! I can't hear you! I'm not listening! RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:12, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

African Delegation urges Putin to start Peace Talks with Ukraine

God Bless them. Africa is suffering heavily from Putin's War, as it suffered heavily under the Communist CCP Covid Virus also. Poor Africa.

"Adelegation of African leaders has urged Russian President Vladimir Putin to begin peace talks with Ukraine during a meeting with the Russian leader in St. Petersburg.

"We would like to encourage you to start negotiations with Ukraine," Azali Assoumani, the president of Comoros and the current chairman of the African Union (AU), told Putin on Saturday, according to the Russian news agency Interfax.

South African President Cyril Ramaphosa said, "We are convinced that the time has come for both sides to start negotiations and end this war." https://www.dailysabah.com/world/europe/african-delegation-urges-putin-to-start-peace-talks-with-ukraine NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 04:38, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

South Africa has no leverage. And its country has corrupt and incompetent leadership that is the cause of its rolling blackouts.

The country is moving towards being a failed state. Conservative (talk) 10:30, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

As a founding member of BRICS, South Africa has plenty of leverage. Let's not get into the game of Biden State Depatments's racist slandering and disrespect for Africans. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:27, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Once again, Nishant is only getting half the story. The Biden State Department had the Polish government hold the African press corp hostage in Warsaw while Ramaphosa travelled on to Kyiv where Zelensky, on US instructions, rejected the offer to mediate peace talks out of hand, with no press there to cover it. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:47, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

This a good illustration how propaganda narratives are formed: After the US thwarting Russia-Ukraine peace talks for a second time, the headline Nishant posted makes it appear Putin is thwarting peace talks when the talks fail to materialize. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:10, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Again, you have to have some kind of strategy in your mind, as you pray and work for the world to get better. My prayer/hope is that Putin loses the 2024 elections and leaves. The Next Russian Leader, and Ukraine, negotiate a Just Peace. Problem Solved. Then, De Santis wins. (Not guaranteed, of course, it has to be prayed and worked for; but it's important if you really care to defeat the LBGT/Woke Agenda, as you profess). So that battle must be fought and won like that, 2 issues solved. As for South Africa et al, I think the Global South is of the Greatest Importance, if for nothing else because of its significant population. Boris Johnson called some of the Global South Countries, "Global Swing States", showing many of the leaders of NATO countries, and Ukraine too, are recognizing how important it is to have support from African and Latin American Countries. And, to go one step further, I would say, just as NATO is already planning to expand into Asia and the Indo-Pacific, the next logical step, necessary also so as not to discriminate and exclude no one, is also to welcome Latin American and African Countries who want to join. Of course, if there is Islamic Radicalism, as in some countries in North Africa, that's a problem. But in other Countries, including Nigeria where Christians are heavily persecuted, those countries could actually use NATO assistance and help to preserve the Peace and end Persecution of Christians and other Innocents, and defeat Islamic Radicalism. All these are big ideas for how to make the world better in the 21st Century. NATO's current thinking is still fairly limited imo. With better leaders, things will get better in time. I support Estonian PM Kaja Kallas for next NATO leader. Eastern European Countries, that suffered most severely under Soviet Communism (remember, some 12-20 MN Christians died under Soviet persecutions, including in Eastern European Countries), know it best. World Peace is important for many reasons including the spread of the Gospel. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:39, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Yah, I want Santa to bring me a Mercedes Benz for Christmas. Till then, I have to live in the here and now. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:52, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

And OMG! " My prayer/hope is that Putin loses the 2024 elections and leaves. The Next Russian Leader, and Ukraine, negotiate a Just Peace. Problem Solved."

What? OMG! You mean NATO is warring against a democracy, and trying to destroy another democratic state? OMG! RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:54, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

O ye of little faith, read this first: "But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. That person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord." (James 1:6-8). NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:59, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

And, NATO is not warring against anyone. Complete Non Sequitur. The US and UK are keeping up their Contractual Obligations under the Budapest Memorandum to Protect Ukraine in the event of a Russian Invasion. The other NATO countries also have that obligation, because a prospective NATO member also deserves certain security assurances and guarantees, like for e.g. Finland had before its accession. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:01, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

We've discussed the Budapest memorandum before. If there were any truth to the claim, "The US and UK are keeping up their Contractual Obligations under the Budapest Memorandum to Protect Ukraine", why didn't the US and UK defend Ukraine's territorial integrity with US and UK troops in 2014 at the time of the Crimean Annexation, instead of waiting 8 years while their Kyiv puppet regime murdered 14,000 Russian speaking citizens of Ukraine with the US-supplied weapons and training? And they are not keeping their "contractual obligations" now; where are the US and UK troops on the ground they promised in 1994? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:02, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

You said it. It's a question you must answer now. Is Russia authoritarian or democratic? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:09, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Lol. Look at your sophisms. First, (1) Russia blatantly violated its commitments under the BM, right from 2014 itself, second (2) the UK and US are keeping it. Your argument is, because they didn't do as much as they could have and should have immediately, therefore they shouldn't do now either? At least they woke up now. It's like arguing, if FDR and Churchill tried to negotiate in the beginning with Hitler, after his invasion of some countries, therefore, they should never have tried to stop him. Doesn't follow. They tried to negotiate as long as they thought it was possible. When they realized it was impossible, they stopped trying, and just fought back. It's same here.

You are being redundant and spamming. Address the specific questions: Was the democratic government that signed the Budapest protocols in 1994 overthrown in 2014? Secondly, did the US commit to supplying boots on the ground in 2014 with the Budapest memorandum? Do not spam with redundant postings. Thank you. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:38, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

As for whether Russia has a democracy, yes, it does in theory; there are multiple candidates, however if you criticize Putin too sharply, and are a serious opponent who could actually win, he'll have you poisoned or shot, or thrown in prison. Just ask Nemtsov or Navalny. Or you can try moving to Russia, and then criticizing Putin's "special military operation" just to see how much democratic freedoms and freedom of speech really exist in Putin's Russia. Don't actually try it, because the KGB/FSB will be knocking your door soon. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 02:29, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

Repentance is to have a change of mind - to recognize and admit that you chose to believe Satanic lies. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:13, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

And a brief comment on prayer: prayer is not about God fulfilling a wish list - I think you have it completely backwards. Prayer is asking God to help your mind align with God's mind. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:45, June 20, 2023 (EDT)

Nope, both your comments are mistaken, and reflect certain, Lutheran/Liberal errors. Repentance is not just a "change of mind", it is that, but it is more than that; it is a complete transformation of the whole person, a change both of mind and of heart, i.e. of will. When Mary Magdalene repented of her former life, she chose not to love sin any longer but to love Christ instead. Same with Zaccheus and others. So too, if someone repents of say, cussing/swearing, he should not just "change his mind about it", but also start learning to love new things, i.e. speaking of Christ and holy things, rather than of evil things etc. So repentance must be a heartfelt transformation.

As for whether those supporting Ukraine need to repent, why would we? Do those supporting Poland when it was fighting Nazi Thugs from one side and Commie Thugs from another in its Self-Defense need to repent. Nope. If anything, the other side needs to repent. Our Conscience is clear before God. As for Prayer, again it's not just about [mind] [remniscent of faith alone]. It's about aligning your will with God's will, and asking and praying for those things God wills to come about, for e.g. the Salvation of Souls, or World Peace, through Christ, the Prince of Peace; The Lord's prayer says, "Thy Will be done", and God's Will is "that no one should perish, but all should come to repentance" (2 Pet 3:9), for your Father "wills that all men should come to the knowledge of the Truth and be saved" (1 Tim 2:4) etc.

So, those who pray for the Salvation of Souls, and for World Peace, which greatly helps the Great Commission go forward, are doing the Will of God. Doing the Will of God is necessary for salvation according to: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will. enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who. does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Mat 7:21), so I will continue to do it. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 02:37, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

St. John teaches this in 1 Jn 5: "14 Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. 15 And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him." NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 02:42, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

I just don't share your love of neo-Nazi killers and warmongers, and hope you repent. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 03:54, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

Putin Shows African Leaders Draft Peace Treaty Americans Thwarted in March 2022

[16] RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:21, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Ukrainian Einsatzgruppen interrogate Kherson grandfather

[17] RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:28, June 20, 2023 (EDT)

This video gives some insight into Putin's phrase about the "greatest tragedy of the 20th century". When asked, "Where were you born?", the old man answers "here" (in Russia), which now the Ukrainian Nazis will exterminate him for giving the wrong answer. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:42, June 20, 2023 (EDT)

A question for Putinist Comsymps

Why is it that the pro-Putin, supposedly "anti-Nazi" site SouthFront has connections to anti-Zionist, Jew-hating propaganda mouthpiece "Veterans Today"? A bit strange that Veterans Today glowingly repeats SouthFront narratives, don't you think?

There's plenty of despicable propaganda on both sides of the NATO–Russia War accusing "the Jews" of masterminding some conspiracy. Well, what is for certain is that Nazis are playing on both sides accusing the other of "Jewish control."

Just on a larger side note, a common recurring theme in history seems to be that "the Jews" are scapegoated for the globalist world order by the very beneficiaries of the internationalist elites; the devious crooks destroy the world and throw the innocent blood that's upon them on the Jews, thereby washing their own hands clean and forcing innocent Jews to take the blame for their crimes. The most notable modern example is arguably the blaming of Jews for Communism which was facilitated instead by the Jesuits, Freemasons, and Wall Street, among others. The Papal Regime creates atheistic Communist ideology as a planned "antithesis" to Christianity (which of course, was to serve the purpose of watering down the influence of the Orthodox Church that long opposed their tyranny; Russia was deposed of Czarist rule by the Bolshevik Revolution) which is blamed on the Jews and then the Papcay takes credit for smashing the Communist Soviet Union. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 17:01, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

I already told you SouthFront is GRU. Wikipedia claims it's the Russian Foreign Ministry. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:05, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

Now you are getting into the Syrian war, where Russia supports its ally the Assad regime. Don't confuse the discussion with extraneous facts. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:07, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, I see: the Putinist side is just full of Nazi buddies. [18][19] So much for smashing global Nazism, eh? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 17:09, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

Incidentally, what is the purpose of posting Natasha Bertrand to this talk page? Do you pay any attention to your arguments or sources at all? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:36, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

See for example Fake_news#Russiagate_in_a_nutshell: "One of the journalists who most aggressively promoted the fake Trump/Alfa-Bank server story was Natasha Bertrand, who was at the center of so many Russiagate frauds including the Steele Dossier and got promoted over and over for it, as of 2021 working at CNN." Among about 2 dozen other references to her in CP. She warrants her own article, and sure as heck is not a credible source for whatever anti-Putin, neo-nazi point you are trying to make. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:22, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

No, the US/CIA side is. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:11, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

Yes, the establishment CIA elitists are funding Ukronazis, but plenty of American Nazis openly support Putin. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 17:18, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

Don't shoot from the hip. Read Solzhenitsyn's 200 Years Together. [20] Wikipedia has a surprisingly balanced review. Solzhenitsyn won't fit nicely into your stereotype of an anti-semite or Nazi based on your understanding of the terms from Angelo-American sources and idioms, where some have tried to place Solzhenitsyn in his later years. But his writings about communism and the Jews are widely current in modern Russia. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:40, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

The Solzhenitsyn Center posts this caveat:

"With respect to an English edition—to recapitulate the above—an authorized translation of the full work is in progress and scheduled for publication in 2024.

Meanwhile, readers need to be forewarned that any and all English versions available on the Internet (with two important exceptions listed below) are illegal, pirated, a gross violation of international copyright law, and/or entirely unauthorized; often poorly and loosely translated; and redact passages, and indeed whole chapters, that apparently do not support the prejudices of those behind these illegal editions. English-language readers who wish to learn more about the book are invited to consult the resources listed below. [Bolden in original].

This is one link the Center recommends until the authorized version appears. [21] RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:19, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) With the development of the Iranian hypersonic missile (which the racist geniuses in the American military industrial complex haven't figured out how to build yet), changes the fundamental dynamic between Israel, Syria and Iran. If you want to criticize SouthFront & the GRU, stick to relevant facts. Thanks. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:11, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

Bottomline: if you are interested in war news and weapons development, SouthFront has a better reputation for credibility than the US Pentagon, State Department, or White House. Unlike US sources, they are actually concerned about their reputation for credibility. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:17, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

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I'm afraid this discussion is rapidly exposing how little you know about or understand Soviet Communism. The GRU was never a communist organization. The KGB was organized for the distinct purpose of forcing the only organized group in the Soviet Union with guns that posed a potential threat to the regime - the Russian military - to obey the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (likewise, the Nazi SS performed the same function against the German Army). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:57, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

Two well publicized historical events can be used to illustrate - and the power dynamic extended throughout the life of both the USSR and the Third Reich.

(1) the Great Purges of 1938. The KGB arrested and tried supposed traitors in the Soviet military;

(2) the July 20, 1944 assassination plot against Hitler. The SS arrested and executed the coup plotters.

In both cases, professional military leadership were neither Nazis nor Communists, but rather patriots who loved their homeland and wanted to protect it from an internal enemy. This dynamic was true in the military establishments of both countries throughout the life of both regimes, and is why the SS & KGB were founded to monitor the professional military and its leadership. Accusing German soldiers or the Russian military of being "nazis" or "communists" is not just naive, it is Germanophobic and Russophobic at heart. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:06, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

Now, once you grasp and comprehend this fundamental fact about German Nazism and Soviet Communism, then we can move onto a discussion of Chinese and Cuban communism, which is really quite different. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:10, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

Right now, in the United States, the United States military is undergoing the same ideological purging that existed in the USSR and Third Reich throughout their existence. A military establishment needs and has more technical people than ideological (people who studied geometry for artillery rather than Marxist philosophy, for example), so although some technicians are allowed to remain, the ideological police keep an eye on them. My advice: focus on this subject right now in the US, rather than posting your misconceptions about communist and nazi ideology, past and present. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:20, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

Papacy and communism

The Papacy didn't create Atheistic Communism. That's a lie and a slander. The Popes were one of the first to condemn Communism.

"Communism is intrinsically wrong, and no one who would save Christian civilization may collaborate with it in any undertaking whatsoever." https://www.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_19370319_divini-redemptoris.html NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:10, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

Even Soviet Premier Gorbachev conceded the fall of the Soviet Union would have been impossible without Pope St. John Paul II. Pope St. John Paul II was a Pro-Life Hero and Anti-Communist Champion. Even President Reagan knew that this was True and respected the Pope for it.

"MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- Former Soviet Union leader Mikhail Gorbachev said Sunday that Pope John Paul II's "devotion to his followers is a remarkable example to all of us." Gorbachev, who once said the collapse of the Iron Curtain would have been impossible without John Paul II, said the pope condemned communism the first time the two met in 1989, shortly after the fall of the Berlin Wall." https://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/04/03/pope.gorbachev/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:13, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

Also, regarding Jews, there are Good Jews (e.g. Ben Shapiro) and Bad Jews (e.g. George Soros), just like there are Good Muslims and Bad Muslims etc. Someone who hates all Jews or all Muslims for their ethnicity or some such thing sins in doing so. But, if he legitimately critcizes the bad actions of bad Jews or bad Muslims, that is in no way wrong, but perfectly correct, right and legitimate.

Geinrich Yagoda was a Jewish Mass Murdering Communist Terrorist who killed 10 Million People. These are simple historical facts largely unknown today. Here's a Jewish Site explain it: "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system." https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:16, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

"Good Jews and Bad Jews", or "renegades" as Solzhenitsyn called them in 200 Years. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:09, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

The specifics of the Reagan (and Bill Casey)-John Paul relationship was, the Pope had the network of connections in Poland thru parish priests, and the CIA provided "modern technology" then, i.e. satellite dishes for access to Western media (which at the time was not as communist controlled and dominated as later) which could get around electronic radio broadcast jamming. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:14, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

[EC] [EC] NishantXavier, the Papacy promulgates two types of teachings: the exoteric, for the masses, and the esoteric, for the insiders. While they publicly claim to oppose Communism, why is it that Communist leaders are influenced by Jesuits? Take, for instance, Fidel Castro. I believe Karl Marx and Joseph Stalin were also Jesuit-trained. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 17:17, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

False. Where's your proof Karl Marx and Joseph Stalin were trained by Jesuits?

And did you read your own link? "1959 – Castro takes power by leading a Marxist revolution. He bans religious celebrations, closes down more than 400 Catholic schools, including Belen, seizes church properties, and jails and expels Catholic priests.

1962 – The Vatican, which had excommunicated all Catholics involved with communist groups in its 1949 Decree Against Communism, adds Fidel Castro to the list of those ejected from the church." NishantXavier^{For Christ the King}

Re: What if the Jesuits influenced Castro, Karl Marx and Joseph Stalin? I am not saying they did, but what if they did?

This is a big nothing burger as oftentimes you largely can't control who chooses to follow you or who is influenced by you. For example, if I launch a chess-related Twitter account and some neo-Nazi chooses to follow that Twitter account, does this make me a Nazi? This is a classic case of the logical fallacy guilt by association. Conservative (talk) 13:07, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

Allies vow Billions to help Rebuild Ukraine at London Conference

"British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak announced a new framework for war risk insurance on June 21, aimed at helping businesses invest in Ukraine.

"This is a huge step forward towards helping insurers to underwrite investments into Ukraine, removing one of the biggest barriers and giving investors the confidence they need to act," Mr. Sunak said at the Ukraine Recovery Conference in London.

Allies vow billions in aid Ukraine’s allies pledged several billion dollars in non-military aid on Wednesday to rebuild its war-ravaged infrastructure, fight corruption and help pave the country’s road to membership in the European Union.

Stressing the vast scale of the task, diplomats and political leaders at the Ukraine Recovery Conference in London urged private-sector companies to invest and revive an economy battered by almost a year and a half of war." https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/rishi-sunak-announces-new-war-risk-insurance-framework-to-boost-ukraine-rebuild/article66993000.ece

See also: "Russia’s Biggest Problem: Ukrainians Want to Keep Fighting" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4olUtjDGyc NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 00:33, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

Not gonna happen anytime soon. NATO will be de-nazified first. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:50, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

U.S. Admits Defeat In War On Russia And China

"Confronted with the realities of life the Biden administration has in the last days acknowledged defeat in two of its most egregious and delusional foreign policy games.

"The Ukrainian counter-offensive has failed. Its army is getting slaughtered on the battlefield. The 'counteroffensive' of the 'NATO trained' Ukrainian brigades has made no real progress on any front. The high level of losses of men and material make it impossible that it will ever again regain the initiative....

"The other U.S. defeat was acknowledged by U.S. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken at the end of his trip to Bejing:

The United States will not support Taiwan breaking away from China, Secretary of State Anthony Blinken has said, amid a series of confusing statements by Joe Biden on the issue.

'We do not support Taiwan independence,' America's top diplomat said in Beijing after meeting with Chinese president Xi Jingping.[22]

RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:30, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

Putin vs. Wagner

What to make of the reports that Prighozin is attempting a coup?--Geopolitician (talk) 22:35, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

It appears to be a hostile takeover of Wagner by the MOD. Prigozhin likely to be arrested. Developing. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:56, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

A successful, private armed force in a society without Second Amendment protections obviously represents a threat to the regime. That was obvious in the final days of the Battle of Bakhmut, when the MOD cut back ammo deliveries to Wagner and Prigozhin went on his rants, naming Gerasimov and Shoigu by name, blaming them for the deaths of Wagner fighters. That was about 3 weeks ago.

In response, the MOD made the decision to incorporate Wagner into the armed forces of the Russian federation, by having all members sign contracts directly with the MOD. Prigozhin has publicly resisted.

Several conspiracy theories are already afoot; according to Prigozhin himself, he was in direct contact with the Zelensky regime during the Battle of Bakhmut. If the CIA or Pentagon can send him a text message, they possibly could have offered him a deal like they did Sadam's generals, you know, a million dollars, a home in Fort Lauderdale, his kids tuition at the University of Florida paid for etc etc. Call this the AFU/SBU/CIA plot, or "blame America". RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:10, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) Another is the MOD set him up to look like a traitor when he began resisting and accusing the MOD (or Russian military industrial complex) of all sorts of corruption with the oligarchs, which sounds plausible to many Russians. Call this the "blame Russia."

From a political perspective, Prigozhin belongs to a very large domestic public opinion faction that just wants to take the gloves off and wipe Ukraine from the map. Putin and other Russian deep staters however have a wider geopolitical strategy - to draw NATO into an endless war of attrition that NATO cannot win. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:21, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

It shows the disunity in their ranks. It would also be great ingratitude on the part of the Kremlin, given Prighozin and Wagner fought for them. All these are marks of a lack of Truth and Righteousness. Sad to see. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 23:13, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

It's what can be expected in any society without a 2nd Amendment. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:29, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

The title of this thread should be Shoigu vs Wagner. We don't know where Putin stands. Last reports are Prigozhin is on the run and the federal prosecutor's office is looking into his actions. Putin probably won't protect him. Botomline is, as head of the Wagner organization, he's out. But the MOD has some concern about a few hangers-on loyal to him. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:44, June 23, 2023 (EDT) They can't kill Prigozhin - he's a national hero after the Battle of Bakhmut. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 03:20, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

So, what will it be? Will Prigozhin be arrested and stand trial for treason? or die in battle. My guess is he's likely to die in battle. public opinion appears to be against him. Putin walks away stronger than just his 82% approval. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:34, June 24, 2023 (EDT) Alternatively, he could end up in psyche ward suffering from PTSD. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:52, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Update: It's looking more and more like the MOD set up Prigozhin. This morning, Dima of the Military Summary reported the deployment of 1,500 Spetznaz to Rostov [23]; CD Media now reports Prigozhin and a handful of loyalists fled to Rostov (where evidently they don't know Spetznaz is waiting for them). [24] RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:23, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Of course, Western media is having a field day with this. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:03, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

So, while many brainwashed Western idiots are cheering for the overthrow of Putin, that apparently would not bode well for Ukraine. And who says Russia has a controlled media or censors free speech? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:10, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

A reminder for those of you who may not know or forgot what Spetznaz is. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:29, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Who is Shoigu? Shoigu was appointed by President Yeltsin at the founding of the Russian Federation in 1991 as head of the Russian Ministry for Emergency Situations (kinda like FEMA) with a 20,000 strong armed Civil Defense force, at a time Putin was an unemployed ex-KGB foreign officer looking for work in St. Petersburg in the aftermath of the collapse of the Soviet Union. It would be another 10 years before Putin entered federal service. Judging by the name, it should be fairly obvious Shoigu is not an ethnic Russian name, but rather likely some Uraltic or Altaic tribal ancestry, my guess. He's probably more closely related to the Finns or Japanese, or maybe even Mongolian than he is directly to Russians.

Prigozhin I would guess is more likely closer to being of Armenian descent.

Diversity is Russia's strength. Russia is a few centuries ahead of America, in learning how to get a diverse mixture of people groups, tribes, languages, religions living on one continent under one government with a common language, system of law and governance, shared culture and history without killing each other (at least until Western psychos like Victoria Nuland or Adolf Hitler start having big plans). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:24, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Another theory: it's a psyop to give Putin the excuse to declare martial law and total mobilization of an army of 5 million. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 03:13, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Why does it look like a psyop? Cause they need to get paid sooner or later. Sure, Wagnerians get paid better than regulars, and they have enough cash to keep afloat for awhile, but after a few weeks of R&R in Rostov away from the HIMARS, they'll be ready to get back to work on August 5, as planned. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 04:14, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

(In the meantime, eat up and drink up as much Western propaganda BS to your fill, and after August 5, maybe consider, "What an idiot I am for listening to that crap and believing it.") RobS^{Give Peace a chance}

"The Lord has said, “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand” (Matthew 12:25). A great lesson to be learned in life is to live in harmony with others. Where there is disharmony, unhappiness and tragedy result." NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 08:14, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Are you referring to the J6 protests? or the 2020 Leftwing insurrection? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:21, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Yep. Looks like a psyop. [25] RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:49, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Putin's speech to the nation is interesting, in that, citizens know what he's talking about - unlike Americans who wouldn't have clue with historical references. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:28, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Americans are incredibly naive about these sorts of things. For example, the Ukrainian Pravy Sektor is not an official Ukrainian government armed force, but fights alongside the AFU, coordinates with the AFU command structure, receives US funding through the government, and has made it clear that it has political objectives different from the Ukrainian government (Pravy Sektor is the paramilitary force of several recognized parties in parliament). It does not want to be part of the EU or NATO. So in the far-fetched prospect that the government of Ukraine could ever emerge victorious in this war, it would face an armed standoff with one of its allied fighting forces. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:22, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Breaking: Prigozhin to pay $600,000 compensation to family of pilot accidentally killed in mutiny. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:48, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

The issue

The issue is basically the conduct of the war. Putin and the boys in the Kremlin are fighting NATO and the collective west; but as in all large populations, you have idiots who think it's just a war between Russia and Ukraine (we have our own idiots in the United States who believe the same thing). So Putin and the boys have a go-slow strategy, so as not to commit all forces and end the war quickly, holding in reserve their capabilities to fight NATO.

Prigozhin, who is not really a military person, is a political person - and an idiot at that. He's trying to harness the public opinion of the hardliners who want to smash Ukraine to bits. Putin has to remind the country that they are not fighting just the Zelensky regime. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:11, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Update: Patrick Lancaster is on the ground. We are waiting for his report.... RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:37, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Some Tweets on Prighozin: "Interesting. In his latest audio message, Prigozhin casually says “When we worked in Africa and Ukraine, when we messed up in America, they were fine with us paying cash…”. I wonder what he means by “messing up in America” & whom he paid cash there. #RussianCoup" https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1672585952919793667

Comment: I think it is supposed to be "messing up America", not messing up in America. Remains to be seen. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 10:57, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

US v. Concord Management. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:35, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Russian nuclear doctrine

At this moment there is one fact about Russian nuclear doctrine that US media has kept hidden from the American public since the Cuban Missile Crisis and before. American media and propaganda has always maintained the fiction that Russia's nuclear doctrine parallels American nuclear doctrine, i.e., that only the Commander-in-Chief can order a nuclear strike. That was never the case in the Soviet Union, and is not the case in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Putin is not the man with his finger on the button.

The local battlefield commander who is given a tactical nuclear weapon has sole discretion to use it if he feels an imminent threat to the lives and wellbeing of himself and his troops, or their imminent defeat on the battlefield. This is why it is impossible to defeat Russia on the battlefield. It is no secret that Russians have deployed nuclear weapons to Belarus in recent weeks. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:03, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

4000 Russian Artillery Systems Destroyed

"We know you are all preoccupied with watching updates from russia. However, let’s not forget that there is some good news from Ukraine today as well." https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1672633603891646464/photo/1 https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1672633603891646464 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 12:09, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Ukraine Counter Offensive making Progress: "Ukraine’s сounter-offensive is progressing, Army Chief of Staff Gen. James McConville said Friday, citing a briefing to European army chiefs from Ukrainian army Chief of Staff Ihor Palagnyuk.

“His message was they're making progress," McConville said. “They're confident in their training, they’re confident in their soldiers, and they're confident in the progress they're making." https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/06/ukraine-counter-offensive-making-progress-us-army-chief-says/387865/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 12:11, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Even if true (it isn't), it wouldn't make a difference. The issue would be who can replace destroyed units faster. And we all know NATO/Ukraine does not have the artillery pieces, ammunition, nor airforce to do anything.

Sure, you can say 4,000 Soviet artillery pieces were destroyed when you count Ukraine.

The problem here is, the propaganda BS you post doesn't pass the smell test. If NATO/Ukraine could inflict such daamage, how come Ukrainian casualties and deaths on the battlefield are mounting? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:38, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Prez. Zelensky responds to Russia's Chaos with Putin and Prighozin

"Today, the world saw that the bosses of Russia do not control anything. Nothing at all. Complete chaos. Complete absence of any predictability.

First, the world should not be afraid. We know what protects us. Our unity.

Ukraine will definitely be able to protect Europe from any Russian forces, and it doesn't matter who commands them. We will protect. The security of Europe's eastern flank depends only on our defense.

Ukrainian soldiers, Ukrainian guns, Ukrainian tanks, Ukrainian missiles are all that protect Europe from such marches as we see today on Russian territory. And when we ask to give us the F-16 fighters or the ATACMS, we're enhancing our common defense. Real defense.

Second, everything must be real. It's time for everyone in the world to frankly say that all of Russia's criminal actions against Ukraine were and are unprovoked. And we all have to focus exclusively on our common security priorities. NATO is not just a word or a set of formal promises. These are reliable guarantees for everyone that peace won't be destroyed. Without Ukraine, such guarantees are worthless. Already in July at the summit in Vilnius, it is a historic chance for real decisions without looking back at Russia. Any nation that borders Russia supports this.

What will we, Ukrainians, do?

We will defend our country. We will defend our freedom. We will not be silent and we will not be inactive. We know how to win – and it will happen. Our victory in this war.

And what will you, Russians, do?

The longer your troops stay on Ukrainian land, the more devastation they will bring to Russia. The longer this person is in the Kremlin, the more disasters there will be." https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1672662657881571332 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 21:00, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Defense Minister of Ukraine Oleksii Reznikov: "Brilliant example of @RobertaMetsola @EP_President combating hypocrisy and “appeasement” with honesty and truth. Dear Madam President, thank you for your commitment to and support of Ukraine and of democracy. We believe in the EU. We value your trust in us and in our fight for freedom. We will win together. 🇺🇦🤝🇪🇺" https://twitter.com/oleksiireznikov/status/1670894459616149504 [Video in the link] NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 21:05, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Former U.S. Green Beret whou fought in Iraq, Afghanistan and Ukraine. Ukraine is this Generation's "Most Righteous War"

"A Former U.S. Green Beret Fought In Iraq, Afghanistan, And Ukraine. He Says Ukraine Is His Generation's 'Most Righteous War.' David Bramlette is a former U.S. Army Ranger and Green Beret who commanded a team in Ukraine's Foreign Legion for 10 months last year. He currently works for the Romulus T. Weatherman Foundation, an NGO that leads operations in Ukraine to identify, recover, and repatriate Americans killed in action.

In an interview from Kyiv recently with RFE/RL Georgian Service's Vazha Tavberidze, Bramlette said the Russian invasion of Ukraine is a classic case of "good versus evil," gives high marks to the Ukrainian military but isn't impressed with their Russian counterparts, and chides the West for overrating Russian forces. Bramlette also likes the chances of the Ukrainian military as it is now beginning a long-anticipated counteroffensive, explaining that Ukraine's fighting capabilities are on an upward trajectory while Russia's military is heading in the opposite direction.

RFE/RL: As an Army Ranger, you fought in Iraq and in Afghanistan. Apparently, that wasn't enough. You came back to fight more, to fight for Ukraine. Why do you think this war is your war?

David Bramlette: First off, I think this is probably the most righteous war that my generation will see. In my mind, this is good versus evil. I was sitting in grad school at Johns Hopkins [University] in my last semester, and we were talking about whether Russia would invade conventionally. And, I'll be honest, I didn't think they're going to do it. I didn't think they could be that dumb, honestly, and they did. I served in Ranger Regiment and Special Forces Group and, you know, 10th Special Forces Group and special forces more generally, our motto is De Oppreso Liber, which stands for: to free the oppressed." https://www.rferl.org/a/former-us-green-beret-iraq-afghanistan-ukraine-/32469454.html NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 19:05, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

SLOW-MO VERSION OF BRITISH MERCENARIES GETTING BLOWN AWAY BY A MINE IN ZAPOROZHYE. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:32, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Ukraine Counter Offensive Updates

"KYIV (Reuters) - Ukraine's armed forces have halted a Russian offensive towards the cities of Kupiansk and Lyman in the east of the country, and are advancing in the south, a senior Ukrainian defence official said on Friday."

From: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2023-06-23/ukraine-says-it-advances-in-south-stops-russian-attack-in-east NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 05:25, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Reuters again, huh? Halted the offensive with paintball guns again? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 05:47, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Speaking of Kupyansk, glad you brought this to our attention, aka 'waiting for the other shoe to drop'. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:29, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Military Summary channel: The Battle Of Kupyansk. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:23, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Infographics Show: How Russia is Regressing back to the Soviet Era

Infograhics Show is an extremely informative You Tube Channel that makes nice videos

Watch this video: How Russia is Slipping Back Into the Soviet Era. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 07:09, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

More problematic indications of the same:

"More than 1,000 people attended a ceremony on Red Square on Sunday to mark the 70th anniversary of Soviet dictator Josef Stalin's death.

Led by Russia's Communist Party, the event drew people waving Soviet flags or holding portraits of Stalin at the site on the Kremlin wall where he is buried.

Stalin's image has been gradually restored in Russia in recent decades despite the atrocities carried out under his rule — and his legacy looms over Russia's present-day offensive on Ukraine." https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/03/06/russian-communists-mark-70-year-anniversary-of-stalins-death-a80399

"A record 70 percent of Russians approve of Soviet leader Josef Stalin’s role in Russian history, according to a poll published by the independent Levada Center pollster on Tuesday.

Stalin’s image has been gradually rehabilitated in the 2000s from that of a bloody autocrat to an “outstanding leader.” President Vladimir Putin has revived the Soviet anthem, Soviet-style military parades and a Soviet-era medal for labor during his presidency."

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/04/16/stalins-approval-rating-among-russians-hits-record-high-poll-a65245

Putin's 20 odd years in absolute power in the Kremlin have been very bad for Russia on the whole. Russia needs a new leader. Prayers. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 07:23, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

You are being redundant. You posted up the garbage about 70 percent from the CIA funded Moscow Times on this page before. We don't need it again. You basically insult people as if they are stupid by repeating the same crap over and over again - especially when it can be deemed as having xenophobic or Russophobic intent (which is to be expected from the CIA). Thanks. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 07:28, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Putin hasn't had 20 years of absolute power. First of all, he had to build the power that he has now by removing opposing media, taking out rivals, etc over time. Also, this recent mutiny shows that he still does not have absolute power. Putin's power isn't equivalent to the power that North Korea's leader has. Why doesn't Putin have as much internal power within his country as the leader of North Korea? Due to Russia being a culture that is both Eastern-Western (Eastern culture is more autocratic than Western culture), Russia has been influenced by the West so it is harder to establish a more absolutist type of power. Conservative (talk) 07:32, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Well spoken. I see you've done some study. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 07:43, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Thanks. Due to the East being more autocratic, I think it will take China's underlying weaknesses (graying and shrinking population, worsening economy, bad effects of Xi having too much power) to become worse before the Chinese Communist Party is thrown out of power. Conservative (talk) 07:49, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) There will be an Approval poll out within the next 30 days. From that we gage the percentage of hardliners who support Prigozhin's anti-corruption campaign, and patriots who support Putin's moderate approach to Ukraine. Putin peaked at 83% some months ago, and his latest was 80% (with Biden polling 37% in the same timeframe). He won his last election with 63%, so obviously there is support from his political opposition for his foreign policy.

I would take issue with the claim of "removing opposing media" {as Zelensky has done). Reporting on the Wagner mutiny was not censored. In fact, unlike the United States and the supposed "democratic" West, Russians have access to CNN and all the Western BS media, as well. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 07:55, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

The only "opposing media" removed is Soros/CIA funded media interfering in Russia's domestic internal affairs. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 07:57, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

That's why the CIA-funded Moscow Times is headquartered in Belgium. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 07:59, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Now, let's look at the Moscow Times Russophobic hate speech reporting for a minute: 1,000 people in city of 5 million is a smaller percentage than the percentage of seats held by the Communist party in the state Duma, or people who identify as affiliated with the Communist party in opinion polls. That's quite a stretch to create a news article for the purpose of slandering Russia and Putin. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:04, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Recall my rant about the amateurishness of the CIA: How come with a single click any idiot can see the Moscow Times comes from EU & NATO headquarters and not Moscow? Secondly, despite an 80% approval rating, how come Putin can only muster 1,000 communists to worship Stalin if Putin is indeed a communist? The CIA amateurs and idiots who write that stuff really do assume that you yourself are an idiot. And if you take it seriously, you really are. RobS^{Give Peace a chance}

RobS, wrote above: "Russians have access to CNN and all the Western BS media".

First of all and this is a key point: "Only 10% of people can speak English in Russia."[26]

Also, "In his campaign to control what ordinary Russians can learn about the war in Ukraine, Vladimir Putin has made a notable exception. He has blocked or restricted Facebook, Twitter, and most other Western-based social media sites, but one major platform — YouTube — remains available."[27]

Furthermore:

"After Moscow erected a digital barricade in March, blocking access to independent news sites and social media platforms to hide information about its unfolding invasion of Ukraine, many Russians looked for a workaround. One reliable route they found came from a small Swiss company based nearly 2,000 miles away.

The company, Proton, provides free software that masks a person’s identity and location online. That gives a user in Russia access to the open web by making it appear that the person is logging in from the Netherlands, Japan or the United States. A couple of weeks after the internet blockade, about 850,000 people inside Russia used Proton each day, up from fewer than 25,000.

That is, until the end of March, when the Russian government found a way to block Proton, too.

Targeting Proton was the opening salvo of a continuing back-and-forth battle, pitting a team of about 25 engineers against a country embarking on one of the most aggressive censorship campaigns in recent memory."[28]

So by Putin aggressively going after opposing media which speaks Russian within his country, it has a big effect. And then he further tightens things by having some restrictions on the internet as far as foreign influence. Conservative (talk) 08:30, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Ahhh, Twitter Files, CIA Vault 7, the Snowden revelations (not to mention the human rights violations and prosecution of Julian Assange and WikiLeaks) document Twitter and Facebook in bed with NSA, FBI, CIA, and US intelligence community (not unlike US charges against TikTok and data mining). Heck, if I were president, I'd probably ban Twitter & Facebook in the US for election interference and destroying American democracy. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:38, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

A side note: Because Russian cat videos are no doubt very popular in Russia, Putin found it too unpopular to block YouTube in Russia. I hope this clarifies things. Conservative (talk) 08:40, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

US global media is available in all kinds of languages. And no, the Russians are not that stupid that they can't translate CNN from whatever language it broadcasts in. RT is blocked in the US, RL/RFE is available in Russia.

The simple fact is, Russia has more open access to global media than the US, EU, or China. (By global media, I am referring to global news sources, and not necessarily social media). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:45, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

I just went to the Russia Today website https://www.rt.com/ yesterday. It is not blocked in the USA despite it being Russian state media. Sputnik news, another Russian state media outlet, is also not blocked in the USA. Conservative (talk) 08:49, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

It's blocked on Youtube and Facebook. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:51, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

IMO, the average Russian drunk high school drop out is more sophisticated at sorting through the BS and propaganda of global news media than the average Western college graduate. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:51, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

In Russia, sorting through BS propaganda is in the genes after 70 years of Soviet communism and propaganda - something only now Americans are being subjected to and exposed daily 100 years after the creation of the Soviet Union. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:55, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

All governments with any degree of sophistication use manufactured consent in order to maintain power (education system, government influencing media, governments influencing corporations and corporate influence via PR/lobbyists, etc.). It's just a matter of degree on how much manufacturing is done in order for the more elite of society to gain additional power. Conservative (talk) 08:57, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) As a student of history and historiography, the 70 year captivity of the USSR presents a unique problem: it is a giant blackhole for using the ordinary techniques historical researchers use. So the Russian educational system, beginning in the elementary grades, has to deal with this problem, knowing things like official Soviet encyclopedias and government documents are unreliable. For a historically-minded society, children must be taught skills to learn how to decipher truth, and facts, and history.

The West doesn't even teach history. It teaches the Nazis are democratic freedom fighters. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:07, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Let me relate an interesting story: Russia sanctions have banned Hollywood movies from Russian cinemas. So this has led to a rebirth of interest in Soviet films. When you go the cinema now, it's not just for entertainment. You are doing historical research on the Soviet film industry. Being aware of the Soviet Union's dark past, and the fact that these films were made the last time the West imposed sanctions for 50 years during the Cold War, leads to a whole new understanding of Russian and Soviet history, and art, and film making. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:25, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

There are many indications Russia, under Putin, is regressing back to the Communist or Soviet era, and I just posted some of them. Hero-worshipping Commie Thug Stalin is just one example that exemplifies that. The fact, however, that some Russians in the recent Prighozin incident, celebrated and shook hands with the Wagner mercenaries, and were in a celebratory mood, when he was challenging Putin, suggests many Russians - perhaps the relatives or friends of those Thug Putin has thrown in jail for criticizing his "Special Military Operation", or called it a War - are tired of the Putin regime and would be happy to see it go. Russia deserves a free and post-Putin future. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 14:41, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

You just posted a bunch of US intelligence propaganda and crap - you know, the same guys who whacked JFK, disrupted the Trump administration, overthrew Ukrainian democracy, and interfered in US elections and lied about it. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:00, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

60 Minutes Australia: The Women standing up to Vladimir Putin: https://youtu.be/HzjLy-lAIxE NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 14:47, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

NishantXavier, the people who cheered Prighozin were probably in favor of Russia's February 2022 invasion of Ukraine and were happy that Prighozin was often more effective than the Russian army. They also thought his complaints about pro-Russia soldiers not being adequately equipped was a justifiable complaint. In other words, I think you are projecting your thoughts/feelings onto most Russians. The majority of Russia appears to still be pro-Putin. Pro-Putin media, Russian government outreaches to the youth (education, youth groups, etc.), political rallies, etc. contribute to pro-Putin sentiments and Russian nationalism. Conservative (talk) 15:01, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

The Wagner mutiny is a case study. It's origins were more than a month ago. When it occurred, Prigozhin himself said it was protest against Shoigu & Gerasimov - the equivalents of Lloyd Austin and Mark Milley, and not Putin himself. His "March for Justice" was not against Putin, but rather the corrupt Russian military industrial complex. Just go back now and examine the reporting from any and all news sources prior to Putin getting involved by making a nationwide speech. You should now be able to make a determination which news sources are either ignorant about Russia and Russia's domestic politics, or deliberately malicious toward Vladimir Putin and lying to you with propaganda. Any source that headlined words to the effect of "Coup against Putin" fits one of those two categories. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:11, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

It was February 2022 invasion, not 2020. Well, possibly, I suppose; but they were cheering on Prighozin at precisely the time when he was opposing Putin. Usually, you can't oppose Putin in any serious way in Russia, as that 60 Minutes Australia interview shows, without being jailed, or thrown out of windows, or poisoned, or something. I think we're yet to see what would happen if serious opponents to Putin had freedom to campaign for a better Post-Putin Russian Future. 15:13, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Prigozhin was NOT opposing Putin! You are brainwashed! RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:19, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Thanks. Fixed typo for date of invasion to February 2022. Conservative (talk) 16:21, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) At a deeper level, the mutiny also disproves the idea that Putin is an absolute dictator. Prigozhin thought (and still believes, along with a sizeable slice of Russian society) that corruption in the Russian government can be rooted out without removing Putin, i.e. that Putin is not the cause, and that Putin doesn't have the power to do it himself. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:17, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Keep telling yourself that, bro. It must be pleasant to live in la-la-land. Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, Prighozin said this about Putin and the corruption, deceit and hypocrisy of the Putin Administration.

"Wagner leader hits back at Putin Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin has responded to President Vladimir Putin’s “betrayal” comments, suggesting in fact that the mercenary group’s soldiers are Russian “patriots.”

“The president makes a deep mistake when he talks about treason,” Prigozhin said in an audio message.

Prigozhin also said that Wagner forces would not be “turning themselves in and confess at the order of the president, the FSB (security service) or anyone else. Because we don’t want the country to continue to live any longer in corruption, deceit and bureaucracy.”

Earlier on Saturday, Putin said Wagner fighters were traitors who must be punished." https://thewire.in/world/wagner-group-mutiny-russia-putin Prighozin negotiated hard and tough and got amnesty for himself and his men after criticizing Putin. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 15:29, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Another Infographics Video: "Every battle fought, every road and building bombed, every bullet fired, every intercepted missile; every bit of ground a tank trudges over; this is all extremely costly. And for every person killed in action, there is a huge price to be paid, not just for their family but also for their country. As we’ll show you many times in this video, working out the monetary cost of war is far from simple. It’s very hard to know exactly how many rockets are fired, how much hardware is destroyed, and what it costs a nation when you lose infrastructure and young men that should have been working in your economy. But today, we’ll try to put a price tag on this war, not just for the past and present, but the costs in the years to come. The ripple effects of this war will be felt for decades, especially in the poorest segments of both Russia and Ukraine. We’re going to start with the cost of war for Russia and finish with some quite shocking data regarding what this war has cost and will cost Ukraine." https://youtu.be/spu_H27iQqs NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 15:33, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Bingo. Now you are displaying your lack of reading comprehension skills. Prigozhin did not initiate a coup against Putin; when Putin got involved and went on national TV, only THEN did Prigozhin start trash talking Putin (after months of publicly trash talking the military industrial complex) and immediately backed down and accepted a comprise offer. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:35, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Prigozhin believed he could initiate a popular uprising against Shoigu and Gerasimov, get them removed, and possibly get Putin to appoint himself as Defense Minister. This should give insight in the Russian political system and society. Anything that doesn't make this clear is BS propaganda (either uninformed, or malicious).

The latest reports are Prigozhin was successful - that Shoigu and Gerasimov were indeed sacked. But we have to wait for confirmation, which may take months. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:38, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

The Russian and American military industrial complexes have been at war with each other since the late 1940s. Both have become wasteful and corrupt. When the political situation changed in 1991, that war did not end. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:48, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Other than drastically cutting back USA's funding to the Ukrainians as I believe that Europe should be the primary funder and provider of manpower because it is in their backyard, I cannot say that I am pro-Ukraine or pro-Russia because both countries are authoritarian and corrupt (But that is a moot point because much of Europe has lukewarm support for Ukraine compared to the USA). Also, I believe the Ukrainians are hopelessly outmatched when it comes to their vain attempts to gain back a substantial amount territory back because they are outmanned and face strongly defended Russian positions (Mines, barbed wire, defense in depth trenches, intersecting machine gun fire nests, fortified defensive command centers, a lot of heavy artillery, etc.). So prolonging the war, cost a lot of unnecessary bloodshed on both sides and adversely affected the world's food supplies as Ukraine has a lot of good farmland. In addition, the sanctions hurt the West and reduced Russian profit margins on natural gas so both sides were hurt. Furthermore, Ukraine was wrecked. A peace agreement should have been hammered out and finalized early in the war, but it appears as if Boris Johnson helped nix this effort. Conservative (talk) 16:42, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Why is it you openly criticize Vladimir Putin but remain silent on the neo-Nazi Zelensky regime? [29] RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:28, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

With that being said, although the Infographics YouTube channel may say some correct things about Ukraine/Russia, it is a Ukraine cheerleading YouTube channel and is very biased. Conservative (talk) 16:30, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

HAHA! "Russia is now cut off from the world economy which means the specter of food shortages now looms ahead."

OMG, how can you guys be so dumb? China, the world's largest economy, India, and the Global South are not part of the "world economy"? Russia, the world's largest food and fertilizer producer, with more food than people it can feed, faces the spectre of food shortages? I stopped watching there.

You guys, I can only supply you with facts about this war and Russia; I can't (or more accurately, don't have the time to) teach you how to think. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:06, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

For example. Cons: No, it is not (just) "Ukraine cheerleading"; it is programmed globalist propaganda (aimed at school kids). Call it what it is, rather than blathering about nothing to no effect. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:09, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Digression on regulatory capture

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. explains "regulatory capture", i.e. when a private sector industry "captures" a government regulatory agency that is intended to regulate that industry.

Big Pharma, for example has "captured" the Food and Drug Administration that then gives rubber stamp approval to new drugs for Big Pharma profit, and not for the health and safety of the American people.

Big Tech regulatory capture of the FCC, which then grants immunity to broadcasters and IT hosting facilities while driving their competitors out of business (also known as crony capitalism).

The military industrial complex has captured the CIA, which then makes "threat assessment" recommendations to Congress for defense contractor appropriations and spending. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:58, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Putin and Prighozin are both Thugs. I support neither. I support Ukraine's Self-Defense, and believe they will ultimately win. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:31, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Well I can play that stupid game too and say Biden, Austin and Milley are Thugs. You need some Drano or whatever it takes to clean out all the BS propaganda you've filled your head with over the past 16 months or since the 2014 Maidan coup. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:51, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

A word on propaganda

Western propaganda now would have us believe that the guy whose organization, the Wagner group, that just killed 40,000 Ukrainian troops in the Bakhmut meatgrinder, a guy viewed in Russia as a war hero, a guy who served on the front line and trash talked the Russian military industrial complex for NOT supplying him with enough weapons to kill Ukrainians fast enough to maintain a 10:1 kill ratio, now in the past 72 hours has become an anti-Putin peacenik. A guy Putin spared and exiled who could have been shot for treason. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:12, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

"In the end, the Wagner mutiny lasted less than 24 hours. But the toxic cocktail of jealousy, rivalry and ambition that gave rise to it has been months, if not years, in the making.

The main characters of this drama were Yevgeny Prigozhin, the founder and leader of the Wagner paramilitary group, and the heads of Russia's enormous military - Sergei Shoigu and Valery Gerasimov.

Prigozhin - a former criminal who was associated with organised crime in the 1980s and for which he spent several years in prison - is a creation of the Kremlin who owes his enormous wealth to President Vladimir Putin.

Since he formed the Wagner mercenary group in 2014, he has become a key tool of Mr Putin's desire to reimpose Russian influence across the globe. From the shadows, his forces - made up of hardened former Russian special forces - have propped up Mr Putin's ally Bashar Al-Assad in Syria and helped roll back and replace French influence in Mali.

Until last year Prigozhin consistently denied mounting evidence that he controlled the group, launching lawsuits in British courts against Bellingcat journalist Elliot Higgins who accused him of running the private militia." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66013532 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:30, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Congrats. You posted mostly true information. Let's dig deeper: "a former criminal who was associated with organised crime in the 1980s and for which he spent several years in prison", i.e. a Soviet gulag; do you maintain that Prigozhin and Putin want to bring back communism and the Soviet Union? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:39, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Bellingcat is a Western intelligence front. We can address more of that later (I'll get Jimmy Dore's link).

Prigozhin is probably not the "founder" of Wagner, but he is its CEO now. Dmitry Utkin is usually cited as the founder by knowledgeable sources. In recent days, Utkin has been referred to as Prigozhin's deputy, the guy Prigozhin sent to lead the column to Moscow. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:44, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

More on propaganda

Let's pick apart the BBC wording used here: "a former criminal who was associated with organised crime in the 1980s and for which he spent several years in prison".

What is the implication? That the Soviet communist regime upheld justice and protected the people from criminals? or that Prigozhin was convicted of capitalist profiteering and/or not sharing a split of the profits from criminal activity with the corrupt KGB?

How do we know that Prigozhin wasn't a political prisoner of the communist regime, and calling him a "criminal" now isn't just leftwing media bias (i.e. communist propaganda) by the BBC? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:09, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

So the big question here is, Why does the BBC defend or promote Soviet communism? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:15, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

"Over half a century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of older people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: ‘Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.’

Since then I have spent well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: ‘Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.’" https://www.templetonprize.org/laureate-sub/solzhenitsyn-acceptance-speech/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:23, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

I don't understand the main thrust of your argument. Are you saying the Russian people were better off under Communism than under thugs and criminals like Putin and Prigozhin? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:25, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

I mean, at least the communist government locked up people like Prigozhin, according to your BBC source. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:30, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

No, I'm saying (1) Communism/Stalinism was one of the Greatest Scourges ever to afflict Humanity (2) Any regression back to that Communist/Soviet Era must be seen as deeply concerning. Russians should read the Bible more, attend Church more, and practice keeping the Commandments of God, especially that of Love your neighbor as yourself, and Do to others as you would have them do unto you, to grow in Faith and Holiness. See this: "Across all three waves of ISSP data, no more than about one-in-ten Russians said they attend religious services at least once a month. The share of regular attenders (monthly or more often) was 2% in 1991, 9% in 1998 and 7% in 2008." (Pew Research). There have been some positive trends, of a return to Christianity from Communism, but much more is needed; Church Attendance remains low, Putin and some Kremlinistas continue to sell something called "Christian Communism", not realizing there is no such thing; that Communism was one of the greatest enemies Christendom ever had; that Mass Murdering Thug Stalin is not worthy of Hero-Veneration etc. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:46, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

"Wagner chief 'humiliated' Putin, Ukraine says Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak said the Wagner mercenary group had "almost nullified" Russian President Vladimir Putin. Wagner fighters are said to have left Rostov-on-Don." https://www.dw.com/en/wagner-chief-humiliated-putin-ukraine-says/a-66022584 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:59, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Podolyak is a Nazi. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:21, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

More on Solzhenitsyn

After reading the revelations of Solzhenitsyn in the 1970s, the problems it presented to understanding and teaching about the World War affected everyone in the East and the West. I was only a student, but it affected even more the people who lived through the events, and provided great eyeopeners, that their understanding of events during the war, and next 30 years after, were based on lies. My Slovak speaking grandmother who lived through two world wars and could understand much Russian, helped me.

One problem was the equation of "Russia" and "Russian" with "communism" in the Angelo-American world, making the terms synonymous. Solzhenitsyn taught us that Russia and Russians were not communist. The Nobel Prize in Literature put an official stamp of approval from the West on that basic premise. But you can't undo 30 years of fake news and propaganda in popular culture overnight, if ever.

The term "Soviet" means "workers council", and was always somewhat abused to mean all sorts of other things. I recall a conversation with a teaching assistant on this subject who understood the problem. And I asked, "so what do we do if we can't use the term 'Russian' anymore to denote Soviet Communism, because of popular prejudices in the public imagination? Russians aren't communist. it's quite the opposite. They are victims of communism.' We concluded that the term 'Soviet' should henceforth be applied to all people, individuals - communist and non-communist, as well as national groups, living under the Soviet system. 'Let's call them "Soviets", not "Russians". This was a fundamental change in idiom and meaning of the term "Soviet" from the mid-1970s onward. 'A Soviet' sounded awkward at first when speaking about an individual, cause the term literally means "workers council", denoting a collective. But the new idea and meaning caught on. I'm not saying me and the TA invented the new meaning, but we understood the new direction American media, the educational system, and propaganda sources would have to take. Fortunately, we were correct in our assessments, and others in the academic world and media likewise must have been having the same conversations at the same time.

Soviet Communism attempted to destroy Russian national identity, which strongly identifies with the Russian Orthodox Church. And they were largely successful in the efforts - up until Solzhenitsyn brought their crimes to the attention to the global public. Unfortunately, Russophobic bigots in government and media are trying to resurrect the old hatreds and prejudices today, which even many conservatives has signed on to. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:14, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Kat Timpf on Gutfeld articulated a similar problem today. How are historians 50 or 100 hundred years from now going to explain the Trump presidency, two impeachments, the Russia collusion hoax, FBI investigations etc, and the fact that all media sources and their reporting from the last 8 years have discredited themselves and are unreliable as historical sources - when the complete cavalcade originated with a bogus pee tape? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:36, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

And we see a another, similar problem in China: Sinophobic bigots try to blame all of America's problems on "China", rather than making a distinction between "China" and "CCP". The Chinese Communists are the problem, and the Chinese people are their biggest victims. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 07:55, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

The Russians themselves in modern Russia have adapted the same idiomatic change in meaning; they refer to a "Soviet person" as a person who grew up and lived in the Soviet climate. A "Soviet person" is not necessarily or even likely to be communist, they were simply acculturated in Soviet times. By contrast, German society uses the term "citizen of the Reich" to specifically denote people who still hold Nazi views, and not just somebody who lived in those times. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:05, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Infographics Show: Top General Reveals why Russia failed at Bakhmut

Gen. Mark Milley

"It's the bloodiest battle of the entire Ukraine war, with some estimating that this one battle alone has cost Russia 100,000 casualties since it began ten months ago. The strategically insigificant town of Bakhmut has now turned into what could be a turning point in Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and General Mark Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has explained how Russia is failing in Bakhmut. Check out today's epic video that takes a deeper look inside the Russian military and how things are falling apart at the seams for Putin." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31cnwuLDnTw NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:23, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Nazi propaganda. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:30, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

See this here. This means I'm a Conservapedia Administrator. If you want to keep posting Nazi propaganda to talk pages, you need to begin sanitizing it in your own words, and stop cutting and pasting it out verbatim. Thank you. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:35, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Mick Ryan assesses Ukraine Counter Offensive

“The best case would see all of Ukraine liberated this year,” says the retired major-general. “The most likely is that large parts of the east and south of the country are liberated, placing Ukraine in a good strategic position to regain Crimea”" https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2023/06/08/mick-ryan-assesses-ukraines-counter-offensive/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:04, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

The Economist: globalist neo-fascist propaganda. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:08, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Italian FM: Welcoming Ukraine into NATO and maintaining an United Front

From decode 39. Am on my phone and will give the link subsequently:

"Welcoming Ukraine into NATO… FM Tajani approached the issue by stating that the time for Kyiv’s entry in the Alliance hasn’t come yet, as peace must be reached first. However, “we can make the first steps towards [its] adhesion.” A good place to start is the Atlantic Alliance’s summit in Vilnius, in July, by creating a NATO-Ukraine Council – “which Italy supports with conviction.”

… and maintaining a united front. “I’d like this to be clear: we’re not at war with Russia. We defend Ukraine’s independence, we don’t act to intervene in Russia,” went on Mr Tajani. He also noted that there’s an “element of worry” with regards to the risk of nuclear escalation, but voiced his hope that Moscow may “understand it’s time to recall its army” and reach a cease-fire." NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 14:02, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

https://decode39.com/7146/italian-fm-nato-ukraine-council-vilnius/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 14:57, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Fascist propaganda. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:22, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Communists have always called NATO "fascist" when it's anything but. NATO is a Defensive Alliance. Ukraine has a right to its Self-Defense, ergo it has a right to join NATO if it wants to and if both parties are willing. Sweden will most likely join NATO at Vilnius, Ukraine's roadmap to full NATO inclusion in a year or so will likely be sketched out at the same time. Ideally, Russia herself would undergo a democratic transition and join NATO in 5 to 7 years. Right now, it's not yet ready for that. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 15:45, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

NATO invaded Libya, what the UN calls a "war of aggression". For those of you not in the know, (a) Libya is not the Soviet Union; (b) the Soviet Union ceased to exist in 1991; (c) NATO was formed to protect the "European homeland" from Soviet expansionism; (d) Libya is in Africa; (e) Africa is not Europe. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:27, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Why did the UN authorize this? "Security Council Approves ‘No-Fly Zone’ over Libya, Authorizing ‘All Necessary Measures’ to Protect Civilians, by Vote of 10 in Favour with 5 Abstentions 17 March 2011" https://press.un.org/en/2011/sc10200.doc.htm NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:43, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

NATO violated the Resolution, smuggled weapons in, and intervened in the conflict. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:46, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

It's all well documented in our article on the Libyan war, and elsewhere in Conservapedia.

Furthermore, the term "United Front" is a Marxist-Leninist term invented by Lenin. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:48, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Biden regime DHS "Pyramid of Far-right Radicalization". The Nazi Wolfsengel of the Azov Regiment and other Nazi insignia such as the Black Sun, which the Biden regime supported with Ukraine aid, appears at the top of the pyramid. [3]

"Video summary from CBN News: Prighozin (1) has lifted the veil on Russian Propaganda (2) telling the Russian people they've been lied to and (3) Ukraine is not filled with Nazis, as Putin alleged." (2nd-3rd min) Watch for yourself here https://youtu.be/IaPqhWpWw4E NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:51, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

That's interesting, however a discussion about CBN belongs either on the CBN talk page or the propaganda talk page, or elsewhere. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:56, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

CBN has problems of its own that must be addressed before anyone takes serious CBN support for Nazism and extremist ideology, as the Biden DHS alleges. I assure you, Conservapedia does not support the Biden Homeland Security nor CBN's views on Nazism. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:02, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

The video you posted from CBN corroborates the Biden junta's allegation that CBN is an entry point to violent right-wing extremism. That video does not belong on the talk page for CP MPR headlines. Period. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:15, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

I'm not an expert on the Libyan War, which I think someone other than Obama might have handled differently. So I'll defer to those who are. But on the whole, in its 75 year history, while not perfect, NATO has done its main job of preserving peace in Europe. You already know my thoughts on it; that it should become a truly inter-national alliance, including and welcome Asian Countries and those from the Global South, that are Democratic and Peace-Loving. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:53, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) Your posting the term "United Front" in a subheading on this talk page displays you own susceptibility to Marxist brainwashing and propaganda. Thanks. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:53, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

The Italian Minister spoke those words. I just reported on it. And even if Marxists used it in a wrong sense, conservatives can use it in a right sense. Here, the words just mean NATO or Trans-Atlantic Unity, which will be broken, like the infighting between Prighozin and Shoigu. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:00, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Bingo. You should have enough spiritual discernment to recognize it as Marxist propaganda before headlining it here. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:04, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

As to the neo-nazi garbage you posted above quoting Mark Milley, you could begin researching Milley here from Flag and Cross: https://flagandcross.com/joint-chiefs-chairman-general-mark-milley-disgraced-his-uniform/ RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:08, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Left: Original SS logo from World War II. Right: Modified SS logo used by Ukrainian Nazis on YouTube during the Russo-Ukrainian war.

There certainly does appear to be an uptick in hysterical drama queens calling other people Nazis. But I am not seeing an uptick of people wearing swastikas. It's too bad more people aren't honest, cordial and rational. Conservative (talk) 17:46, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

It's almost comical the way some of these people accuse those who disagree with them of being "Nazis". Nazi has a specific meaning: if you support a Holocaust of Jews, you're a Nazi. If you don't, you're not. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:04, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

What's so funny about US aid to Ukrainian Nazis and the proud nazi supporters with blue and yellow emojis? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:10, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Here's the facts: Mark Milley called 73 million Trump supporters "Nazis" while he himself is a both a Nazi supporter and Nazi propagandist. I don't even understand why we have to debate this on MPR. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:20, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

User: NishantXavier, I agree with you about how clownish the comical behavior of falsely calling other people Nazis is and how irrational and ahistorical it is. The Conservapedia Guidelines state about civility: "You must be civil. No bullying... Conservapedia Administrators as well need to interact with others according to the same standards of civility we ask of editors." Conservative (talk) 18:38, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Distraught family of Biden murder victims. [4]

Bottomline: We're not going to use any proven neo-Nazi or neo-Nazi propaganda source as a source for valid information. The sooner you two guys learn how to properly qualify sources and information, the better. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:37, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Mark Milley, based upon his widely publicized comments about Donald Trump and Trump supporters, and sworn Congressional testimony, and his leadership actions and ability to make military assessments during and after the withdrawal from Afghanistan should be evidence enough that he is not a qualified source regarding anything related to the NATO war in Ukraine, Russia, or Vladimir Putin. Why do we even need to have this discussion?

Questions about CBN should be on the Department of Homeland Security talk page or CBN article page, or the propaganda, fake news, or psyops pages. Or maybe even the Breitbart page. They do not belong here. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:44, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) Mark Milley is a killer of civilians and children. You cannot even argue that he accidentally killed that family of 10, including children, to protect American civilians and soldiers - because he did not. Neither did he ever even have the intention to protect American civilians and soldiers leaving Afghanistan. And he still holds his job and no one was held to account. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:55, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

The idea that Milley is an American and therefore he is one of the "good guys" is racist; and the idea that he's the best guy we got to head the JCS and that's why he hasn't been fired for murderous incompetence is even more frightening. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:58, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Advice to Nishant: Stop grabbing whatever propaganda headline, wording, or phrasing catches your eye, and begin studying a little closer the sources of that information. Thanks. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:07, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Russophobia again - for the umpteenth time. Sad!

RobS, "proven neo-Nazi or neo-Nazi propaganda source"? I noticed recently that when I broached the subject of a remarkable absence of a huge increase of Americans donning swastikas and giving each other Nazi salutes that RobS desperately wanted to change the subject.

It's so sad that RobS suffers from cognitive dissonance when various pieces of evidence are brought up about the future decline of Russia. He's reduced to falsely accusing others of being Nazis. I am all for having a certain amount of fondness for one's ethnic/cultural heritage, but RobS' is allowing his pride about his Slavic heritage reduce him to being a Russia cheerleader. The great Russian writer Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn took a more noble path. When appropriate, he offered various criticisms of Russia/Russians. Conservative (talk) 20:03, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

You ever read Solzhenitsyn? I think I know the answer: No.

I am not Russian. Much of what I learned about Russia I have learned by reading Solzhenitsyn over the past 40 years. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:15, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

LALALA! I can't hear you!

My very first experience with wikis was when I tried to cite Solzhenitsyn's comments about Bertrand Russell in Wikipedia. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:18, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

What America needs is our own American Solzhenitsyn - someone willing to tell the truth about our corrupt government and society - and our lying government officials and controlled media and propaganda apparatuses that brainwash people. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:23, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

I can always tell when RobS is badly losing a debate. He frantically tries to game the titles of threads. "Russophobia"! he cries. So pathetic.

RobS wrote to me: "You ever read The Gulag Archipelago? I think I know the answer: No." RobS, you thinking you know answers is not the same as you knowing answers. A former housemate of mine allowed me to read his copy of Solzhenitsyn's excellent book The Gulag Archipelago.

RobS, I have nothing further to say about this matter. But remember this discussion when you see Russia decline in the next 10-15 years. Conservative (talk) 20:37, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

I said that based on my experiences with you regarding Samuel Huntington and The Clash of Civilizations, cause I know for a fact you never read it. I doubt you even read the abridged version in Foreign Affairs. IOWS, what you know about Huntington or Solzhenitsyn is hearsay evidence. Same as with Vladimir Putin. You only know what somebody told you second and third hand about these characters. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:44, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) You might as well skip reading the bible and tell us what the Church of Scientology says about the Gospel of John for the public record you have created with your research techniques. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:59, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, I still remember the various brutal torture methods used in Soviet gulags that Solzhenitsyn describes in his book The Gulag Archipelago. Deny that Russians having been torturing Ukrainians in the war in Ukraine and lose all credibility. Conservative (talk) 20:59, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Oh really? Describe right here and now one such torture method. The clock is running. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:02, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

What is Katorga? How was a czarist minister sentenced to katorga?

Did Solzhenitsyn write the chapter in Vol 3, 40 Days at Kengir? How did it end?

C'mon. None of these questions should be too difficult to answer "from memory." RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:06, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Bzzzzt. Times up. More than 10 minutes have gone by. No fair cheating by looking up the answers on the internet. You should know off the top of your head "from memory." RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:13, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

On page 127 of Solzhenitsyn's book The Gulag Archipelago, I found the excerpt which described one of the more brutal torture methods that I remember:

"So now we will try the club. Prisoners can't take more than two or three sessions of this. Let down your trousers and lie down on the runner." The colonel sat down on the prisoner's back. A.D. was going to count the blows. He didn't yet know about a blow from a rubber truncheon on the sciatic nerve when the buttocks have disappeared as a consequence of prolonged starvation. The effect is not felt in the place where the blow is delivered-it explodes inside the head. After the first blow the victim was mad with pain and broke his nails on the carpet. Ryumin beat away, trying to hit accurately. The colonel pressed down on A.D.'s torso-this was just the right sort of work for three big shoulder-board stars, assisting the all-powerful R yumin! (After the beating the prisoner could not walk and, of course, was not carried. They just dragged him along the floor. What was left of his buttocks was soon so swollen that he could not button his trousers, and yet there were practically no scars. He was hit by a violent case of diarrhea, and, sitting there on the latrine bucket in solitary, A.D. guffawed. He went through a second and a third session, and his skin cracked, and Ryumin went wild, and started to beat him on the stomach, breaking through the intestinal wall and creating an enormous hernia through which A.D.'s intestines protruded. The prisoner was taken off to the Butyrki hospital with a case of peritonitis, and for the time being their attempts to compel him to commit a foul deed were suspended.)" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Conservative (talk)

And you are wrong about this. Solzhenitsyn is describing the "enhanced interrogation" techniques used at KGB headquarters before a prisoner was sentenced to a gulag labor camp. Once in a camp, "torture" techniques like this were seldom used as a worker is of no use after being physically abused. Fess up: You either lied or your reading comprehension and retention skills are low.

Furthermore, many of the horrific stories of abuse Solzhenitsyn related occurred in the 1920s immediately after the Bolshevik seizure of power and weren't really necessary in the in later decades of the 1940s and 1950s when Solzhenitsyn was there. Sleep deprivation and standing for long hours, or a cut in the bread ration usually did the trick getting information. Any one of those answer would have been more convincing. If you were familiar with Gulag Archipelago, you would know and understand that much. IOWs, Solzhenitsyn is relating stories that were told and common knowledge among prisoners, but he did not witness. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:30, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

"Butyrki" should have been a clue; WP says, "Butyrka remained a place of internment for political prisoners and a transfer camp for people sentenced to be sent to the Gulag. IOWs, Butyrka wasn't even part of the Gulag.

Final chance to come clean and disentangle yourself from all tall tales you tell: What was the name of the other prisoner holding site in Moscow? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:57, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

Bzzzt. Times up again. More than 72 hours have passed. Anyone remotely familiar, or even remotely interested in the Soviet period would know what the Lubyanka was, but you're not even interested in historical truth or historical fact. Case closed. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:34, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Zelensky, Budanov, Zaluzhny, Podolyak, Gerashchenko, Syrsky, et al are destined for interrogation cells in the Lubyanka, which will probably have to be reconverted from a museum for use again as part of the denazification effort when the ceasefire is declared. And BlackRock doesn't have enough money to post their bail. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:42, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

I said, no fair cheating, "from memory", "off the top of your head", etc, not cut n pasted from the internet. "Pg 127" {what volume?) Sheesh.

Just give it up. go back to things you know, like UK pot holes or Ace's dietary habits. I have much more important things to attend to then this incessant trolling.

If you ever did read the book, the easiest one to cite would be how prisoners were required to crap on command with only 15 minutes to do so. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:39, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Actually, I also recalled Soviet prisoners being confined in boxes. I thought that fleas were put in the boxes, but I was mistaken. I conflated two portions of Solzhenitsyn's book The Gulag Archipelago one of which talked about very large fleas that bit (page 159 of the book). So that is why I took extra time to find one of the things I recalled.

And I don't particular care if you don't like the way I responded to your request relating to Solzhenitsyn's book. If I cared what you thought, I wouldn't have blocked your email address and phone number. I really don't care what some clown says who childishly tosses out false accusations of people being Nazis with gay abandon. Conservative (talk) 22:04, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Look, you are wasting both of our time. You never read Solzhenitsyn. Leave it at that. Find something else to do with your time. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:17, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Proverbs 14:7. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:21, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

And don't cite the Bible to me. You have a twisted theology that seems to think that one's actions don't matter in regards to salvation (But as James says "faith without works is dead".[30]) Which goes along way in explaining why you think you can act like a jerk without any future consequences. Conservative (talk) 22:33, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

I know you are but what am I? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:49, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) You should have answered the question on Katorga - that would have been easiest. Even if you cheated and used the Wikipedia article which is largely taken from Solzhenitsyn and others, it still is in error and doesn't carry Solzhenitsyn's definition of the term. Wikipedia claims it's a Russian word, whereas Solzhenitsyn says upfront it is the Greek word to describe the life sentence of a slave chained to the oar of a boat. Nowhere does the WP article mention that. Much of Volume III discusses the history of katorga. Wikipedia focuses on the Russophobic definition of the word. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:38, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

One of my favorite, and most interesting stories in the Gulag Archipelago, particularly how it relates to literature and historiography, is the story about the 10,000-year-old salamanders found frozen in the ice of Siberia. What can you tell us or add to that? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 03:24, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

Support for Ukraine Aid remains high among US public

[Just passing through and on my phone. Will be back later]

Sad to see some resort to ad hominems, slurs and expletives. Probably an admission that ones position cannot face up to the Truth.

And regarding: "No State shall organize, assist, foment, finance, incite or tolerate subversive, terrorist or armed activities directed towards the violent overthrow of the regime of another State, or interfere in civil strife in another State.", someone should tell Putin because that's exactly what he did in Ukraine. I agree with Conservative that Prighozins rebellion shows Putin is a bad leader. There were signs of Prighozhins anger for a long time, as the Kremlin mismanaged the war more and more badly. Whether or not Prighozin was in discussion with Ukraine is beside the point.

Anyway, here is the info: "Support for sending military aid to Ukraine remains high among the American public, according to a new poll, but many want European allies to do more ...

Of 1,254 American adults surveyed, 59 percent said they support military aid to Ukraine, nearly double the 30 percent opposed. That is virtually unchanged from a the Reagan Insitute’s prior poll last November, which recorded 57 percent in favor of aid and 33 percent opposed. The questions were phrased differently. 

“The polling does not indicate that there’s Ukraine fatigue or aid fatigue,” said Rachel Hoff, policy director at the Reagan Institute. “There’s not decreasing levels of support for sending military aid to Ukraine. That’s remained consistent.” The Kremlin has not succeeded in persuading the world to look the other way. Ukraine will become a Nato member soon, and Putin will have to withdraw his troops. That's looking more and more likely. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 12:16, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

Putin should have never launched his special operation in February of 2022. Some simple polling in the USA/Ukraine might have shown him the degree of resolve that the Ukrainians/Americans would potentially have. Common sense alone would have told Putin that you don't get into a potential war of attrition when you are faced with a demographic winter due to your country's subreplacement fertility rate and foreigners' reluctance to move to your country (See: Russia's fertility rate). Conservative (talk) 12:32, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

Every day, the Russians are slowly retreating - and he real counter-offensive is yet to come

"‘Every day, the Russians are slowly retreating – and the real counter-offensive is yet to come’ Father and son fighting against the Russians in Bakhmut say it was ‘almost fun’ to watch Wagner mutiny as Ukrainians continue their advance

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/06/26/wagner-failed-coup-ukraine-soldiers-trenches-bakhmut/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:35, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

Again, let me restate, the Western "experts" don't know anything about Russian military tactics or doctrine. The Russians are not fighting for territory, unlike NATO/Ukraine which is. The Russians are fighting to demilitarize Ukraine, i.e. destroy its army. Like Bakhmut and Stalingrad, the Russians draw in an attacking force, making them extend their supplies, encircle them and destroy them. Then reclaim the vacant territory.

Ukraine has not reached the Russian frontlines yet, and is fighting its way through the grey Zone (or No man's land) to reach the Russian fortifications. Along the 676 km front, the closest they have got so far is maybe 4 or 5 km. on average, it's been 20-30 kms. Someplaces 10-12 kms. Once they reach the frontline fortifications, they'll be chewed up. Each day that passes allows the Russians to further dig and resupply, whereas NATO/Ukraine is suffering horrendous losses of its limited manpower and material reserves, while extending its supply lines.

Ukraine is not fighting for any real military of strategic objective; it's conducting a PR war until July 11, hoping to get more aid. And the Russians are fine with that, cause it means bleeding NATO of resources a little more. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:35, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

Meanwhile, the civilian populations of NATO turn against its leadership because of inflation and economic hardship, whereas you've just seen a united Russia behind its leadership. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:37, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

I spoke to the owner of the website about the main page talk dissension and infighting

I spoke to Andy about the main page talk dissension and infighting.

Andy mentioned one of the root causes. He said that some editors are ignoring the 90/10 rule.

I think Andy is correct about this matter.

What is the 90/10 rule?

The 90/10 rule is designed to encourage productive edits to our encyclopedia articles, essays and debates (see also: Conservapedia essays and Conservapedia debates). The purpose of the 90/10 rule is to discourage unproductive editing such as belligerent editing and trolling at Conservapedia (Please see: Conservapedia:Avoid personal remarks and Conservapedia:Inappropriate/trolling behavior - Examples).

The 90/10 rule discourages users from spending 90% of their time complaining, carping, cutting people down and forming cabals at Conservapedia - and only 10% actively helping to craft good encyclopedia articles/essays and participate in Conservapedia debates. Useful editing means making worthwhile edits and includes collaborative efforts to improve articles/essays on talk pages. The rule is applied to a person's editing activitity as a whole and not smaller periods of editing. For example, if users have a history of productive editing and they are editing talk pages to improve articles/essays, participate in debates or make various improvements to Conservapedia, the 90/10 rule will not be applied to them. The 90/10 rule is only applied to disruptive editors.

Conservapedia encourages collaboration to improve articles, essays and debates. Conservative (talk) 20:11, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

What are you suggesting? block Nishant? Man, you did a good job there, huh? Didn't you? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:15, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

Nishant can follow the 90/10 rule. If he doesn't then he should be corrected.

RobS, I would suggest not using the main page talk as a bulletin board about the war in Ukraine. Because that is literally inviting people to disagree with you. And unfortunately, you have not been civil in some of those discussions (blocking dissenting views with templates, falsely calling people Nazis, etc.).

And of course, you and I can follow 90/10 too. Admins should lead by example.

In the past, Conservapedians focused more on content. That was good for traffic. People want to read articles or well-structured and civil debates on debate pages. They don't want to read a lot of uncivil wrangling on talk pages. Conservative (talk) 20:23, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

"I would suggest not using the main page talk as a bulletin board about the war in Ukraine". Well duh. Why did you Edit War with me when that was EXACTLY what I was putting an end to? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:26, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

Look, this entire fiasco is on you. You picked a needless and senseless fight with me. You conspired against editors. You tried to turn CP into a mobocracy to gang up on other editors. You deleted talk pages. You edit warred. Your co-conspirator you tried to recruit who rejected you, now gets an official warning. Absolute brilliant work. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:30, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

Don't say another word until you accept responsibility for what you have done and apologize to the editors you have harmed. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:31, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

You have long known my sentiments on 90/10. I think Andy knows. But YOU burnt Nishant in this crazy scheme of yours.

What is a Nazi? a heartless person with no regard for other people. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:34, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, when you falsely call people Nazis, rudely cover people's text in civil discussions with rude templates and accuse people of phobias they don't have (Namely, "Russophobia"), you are going to get some pushback. Conservative (talk) 20:36, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

Have you figured out that there's real people with real feelings and sensibilities out there behind the keyboards, or are you just thinking of yourself? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:47, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

Maybe they're all just a bunch infertile drunk Russians, or obese atheists, so who cares, huh? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:51, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) That Deletion key needs to be taken away from you. You do not know how to use it properly. You think you can do and say anything, and always cover your tracks when you screw up (you admitted as much today). Instead, you create mistrust in the wiki among users. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:38, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

Then you wanna play Let's Make A Deal; "I'll stop abusing my powers if you bla bla bla". WTH? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:42, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

"...if you stop hurting my feelings" or something along those lines. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:43, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

As to me allegedly calling you a Nazi - I'm flattered. That means you value and/or respect my opinion. Unfortunately, you're only thinking about yourself. "He hurt my feelings", while you routinely disrespect people all the time and tell them outright you don't give a crap what they think. Taking 2 1/2 YEARS to respond to a polite request from Nishant, only to have to threaten to block him a day later. You have the kiss of death about you. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:01, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

Actually, it is not because I highly respect you or that I am thin-skinned that I don't put up with you calling me a Nazi (I don't respect any bullies/egotists - especially those who knowingly say things that are false), it is merely because I refuse to take any guff - especially when it is obviously not true and a lie. Why should I put up with any guff? Obviously, expecting civility is not a high and unrealistic bar to ask others to clear. Conservative (talk) 23:27, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

I never called you a Nazi; I informed that there are hundreds of millions of people on planet earth who regard what you repeat daily about Russia, Russians, and Vladimir Putin as Nazi rhetoric. Your response generally is to double and triple down. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:39, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

And here's the thing: you have no need or reason to do so, because of your demonstrated lack of knowledge on the subject. Yet you repeat that nazi rhetoric daily seemingly cause somehow you got the idea that it irritates me. It doesn't. You making a fool of yourself deliberately to tweak other people (I'm not the only one here) does irritate me. I'm trying to do you a favor - just shut up about things you don't understand. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:45, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

Whatever gave you the impession that I personally have some sort of an emotional attachment to Russia or Vladimir Putin, I have no idea. But it fits with an overall impression I've gained in the 15 years that I've known you as being extremely poor at reading other people. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:48, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

Hey, I'm not saying t hat's a fault or anything - but I'm sure you must be aware of it. You are untrusting of other people, and make yourself, without realizing it, untrustworthy by other people. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:56, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

You did call me a Nazi. You do act rude by covering up others text with a template when they are engaging in civil debate. In addition, you think there is no price to being rude to others and breaking civility guidelines. There is often a price to being rude. For example, I was going to pay for the login problem to be fixed. You can forget about that now. Why would I pay for the login problem when the wiki is plagued by the presence of a very uncivil admin? Of course, I wouldn't ever do that. In addition, having an uncivil atmosphere is a big turn-off to new editors - even if they work their way through the login issue. Conservative (talk) 00:21, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

The next time i call you out for openly expressing nazi views, stop and think for a minute, "What did i say?" and if you're not sure, ask, "What do you mean?" Don't get all huffy and pouty ("Mom, he's being mean to me.") Communicate. Learn. Grow. Don't go back into your vindictive cocoon. It's hard for me to believe you have that big, or that fragile, of an ego. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:50, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

See what I mean? [31] You behave deliberately to irritate people and think the rules do not apply to you. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:42, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Placing usernames in subheadings is a fundamental violation of civility and show of disrespect. Is your argument that you are just too stupid and ignorant to understand that? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:44, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, my material has been cited by conservative organizations and a theologian. I don't recall the same for you. And here is an experiment for you. Go on Andy's talk page and ask him if you are a conservative. I know he is not going to say yes to that question. Conservative (talk) 00:45, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

I am fundamentally a realist or pragmatist, which makes a me conservatives; ideologues are dreamers which makes them liberals, living in world of make believe. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:52, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Look at yourself: for the past several election cycles, the world is screwed up with problems. You never focus on the problems. All you say is "The Republicans are gonna win in 2 years and we all live happily ever after". From a realist perspective, that makes you a liberal dreamer. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:54, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

And from a realist perspective, getting into a pointless argument with a dreamer is a waste of time. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:01, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

You and I have discussed this before. I do not believe being a conservative means being stubborn and ignorant. I believe conservativism is dynamic, living and active, sharper than a two-edged sword, and so on. if you do not accept my definition of conservativism, we'll just have to agree to disagree. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:45, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, the realist? The guy who fights tooth and nail when various negative things are pointed out about Russia? Spare me. Mr. Realist, why don't you create these articles and make them a respectable length: Russian war atrocities in Ukraine and Russia and alcoholism and Russia and AIDS and Russia and divorce and Russia and corruption and Russia and abortion and Corruption in the Russian military and Russia and life expectancy and Russian church attendance statistics and Russia and war atrocities and Russia and male alcoholism and Russian Orthodox church attendance statistics in Russia and Russia's high prevalence of noncommunicable diseases and Russian population loss under the Vladimir Putin administration.

Those are a lot of good pro-LGBT titles. I'm sure they're on the drawing board in a lot of LGBT circles. Probably a lot of transgenders at work on it already. Hey, here's one maybe you can get to help you. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:46, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

I have to admit what a fashion trendsetter Zelensky is - even the new AFU spokesperson or thing whatever it is has one of those green shirts. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:53, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

And of course, the so-called realist RobS would never admit that if he were a fervent, Protestant evangelist in Russia trying to fulfill the Great Commission, he would face religious persecution in Russia.

Lastly, you constantly use logical fallacies. And unfortunately for you, logic and reality are very compatible. Conservative (talk) 08:36, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

By the way, your article NATO war in Ukraine has received 62,415 page views. My article Atheism and bestiality, which you recently mentioned, has received 114,668 page views which is nearly double the page views. And while I was writing my atheism articles, American's views regarding atheists become more negative (See: University of Minnesota study indicates that American dislike of atheists grew). And collectively, my atheism articles still receive a considerable amount of page views (See: Conservapedia:Atheism articles statistics) despite the decline of the atheist movement. Conservative (talk) 09:28, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Aw, boo hoo. Somebody called me a Nazi. Boo hoo. I'm gonna burn the house down boo hoo. I'll show you how mean and cruel I can be. Boo hoo. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:33, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

You don't want people to think you're nazi? Drop the nazi attitude and compulsion about destroying your enemies. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:41, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

While you were busy at work on Rational Media Board of Director and RationalWiki Moderater User: Spud and ultra-processed/unhealthy/junk food between April 30 and June 8 I imagined Hitler down in the bunker studying maps while the Russian missiles impacted overhead. So inspirational. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:00, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

As to your Atheism and bestiality, I got news for you. Satan is not an atheist. Satan believes in God. Your atheism articles have very little to do with spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ or Christianity. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:08, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

I don't take guff from RationalWikians and I don't take guff from you. Deal with it. RationalWiki is always talking about science and medicine and yet they are not following best practices when it comes to nutritional science. So I called them on it.

My atheism articles have received a ton of views because I cover what the mainstream press and secular universities are not teaching concerning atheism.

And of all the people I have come across you are one of the least realist people I have come across because you constantly use logical fallacies and fight tooth and nail when contrary evidence is brought up about your pet ideological positions. Mr. Cognitive Flexibility, you are not. Conservative (talk) 10:21, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

You atheism articles do nothing to spread Christian love or the gospel of Jesus Christ. In that sense, they are deceptive. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:25, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Believing in God is not salvation. You atheism articles do very little, if anything, to lead people to salvation. 10:28, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Both the theist and atheist who do not believe Jesus Christ shed his blood as payment for sinners are going to hell. So where have you accomplished anything? Faith without works is dead. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:31, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Sorry brother, but I see little Christian love in your attitude and actions toward Rationalwiki User:Spud or myself. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:33, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

My prayer is that Zelensky, Dylan Mulvaney, and you all repent. Vladimir Putin has. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:35, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, how many Conservapedia articles on Christian evangelism have you wrote? None? Yes, none. A big fat zero.

I know I have written articles such as internet evangelism and Resources for leaving atheism and becoming a Christian (Which has received 76,690 page views) and Resources on becoming a Christian (which has received about 28,000 page views) and Historical examples of the exponential growth of Christianity.

This is a great example of you not being a realist. Reality is contrary to how you view matters. Conservative (talk) 10:38, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Resources on leaving atheism and becoming a Christian. Well now, that's good. That should even be expanded on. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:41, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Nice Article, Cons. I might add to it later if I have time. One of my areas of interest too. Could give the historical examples of how England, France, Germany or Ireland first became Christian (through the preaching/ministrations of Saints like Augustine of Canterbury, Remigius, Boniface and Patrick respectively) or more contemporary/recent examples. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 10:46, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) Cons, Let's get back to Rational Media Board of Director and RationalWiki Moderater User: Spud and ultra-processed/unhealthy/junk food (which isn't even marked as an essay). What was the purpose in creating this article while the Russian missiles were striking overhead? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:45, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

This mainspace article, which you present as factual information and not Essay, presumably was created cause Spud hurt your feelings. If I'm wrong, correct me. It was created out of vindictiveness. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:52, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

You must have some understanding of why this knowledge needed to be shared with the world for the 6 seeks you intensively worked on it. We could add up the number of hours you put into it. C'mon now. Please share with us the motivations and necessity behind this article. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:55, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Thanks guys. I do believe in the 90/10 rule - at least in spirit. And I have expressed my thoughts on this matter. So I am going to get back to some projects that I am working on off-wiki.

As far as Spud/RationalWiki and processed food, one of the things I do in my articles is point out the inconsistencies of people and their stated ideologies (In this case, science and nutritional science). That's probably why my Atheist hypocrisy article has over 90,198 page views. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." - Saul Alinsky. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. There is no defense. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage." - Saul Alinsky (See: Irritating an opponent (military and political tactic). "So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak." - Sun Tzu. "If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him." - Sun Tzu (See: Irritating an opponent (military and political tactic)).

I realize that people are somewhat indoctrinated to eat processed food via years of watching processed food commercials and that food science scientists make the food to be enticing/addictive and that people are creatures of habit. So I don't expect Spud/the portly Trent Toulouse/Ace Mc Wicked to overcome their penchant to eat processed foods. But their supposed love of science does contradict their dietary habits. Conservative (talk) 11:04, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Me too. I'm getting back to my realist roots. Getting into a pointless argument with a dreamer is a waste of time. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:02, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, you alleged realist roots cannot break through the hard ground of your frequent use of logical fallacies and your penchant to fight tooth and nail when evidence contradicts your pet ideologies. Conservative (talk) 11:07, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, thanks. My pet ideologies are the Lord Jesus Christ and ultra-processed/unhealthy/junk food. Any others? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:16, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Here's your boy again. He's got more cahoonies than you do. He's standing up to Putin on the frontline. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:21, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, you can't use Russia's antipathy towards homosexuality to whitewash Russian war atrocities in Ukraine. Write the article: Russian war atrocities in Ukraine, Mr. Realist. And move to Russia. Conservative (talk) 11:29, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

"I'm not a Russophobe, some of my best friends are Negroes. I listen to jazz and Russian music all the time." RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:50, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Both CIA and Kyiv propaganda attempts to brainwash a younger generation with the ahistorical doctrine that Ukrainians are not Russian and do not have a common origin with Russians. [5]

Russophobe? Dr. RobS, where did you get your doctorate in internet armchair psychology? In short, your psychobabble has been weighed in the balance and found wanting.

By the way, in my last grocery trip, I bought bananas, fresh spinach, and fresh pea pods because unlike Spud/the portly Trent Toulouse/Ace Mc Wicked, I have an iron will! See: Atheism and mental toughness. Trent is the Pillsbury "Ultra-processed Food" Doughboy of atheism! See: Atheism and obesity. Conservative (talk) 11:56, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Where? How about all the Neo-nazi rhetoric you posted this morning. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:01, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

"When the Russo-Japanese War came I was older and better able to judge for myself. For national reasons I then took the side of the Japanese in our discussions. I looked upon the defeat of the Russians as a blow to Russian Slavdom." - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Volume 1, Chapter 5. (Ralph Manheim translation). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:08, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Hmmm, Russia, then as now, wasn't even Communist. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:09, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

You live in fantasy world RobS. I have moved on. Your email is blocked. Your phone number is off my cell phone contacts list. And post-pandemic, I am developing closer friendships and new friendships with Christian realists who don't scream over the phone like a banshee when their pet ideologies have holes poked in them. Anytime you want to contact me off wiki again, you know what you have to do. Tell Andy you are ready to apologize for your abhorrent behavior and he will relay the message to me. Conservative (talk) 12:08, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) If you were slightly more knowledgeable on the present situation and the historical circumstances, you'd be a bit more restrained in your rhetoric. You're not. You're frothing at the mouth with Russophobia.

In your Russophobic rants, you basically deny Russians and Ukrainians are the same people, following the Neo-Nazi/CIA/Kyiv regime nazi propaganda line. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:15, June 28, 2023 (EDT) RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:15, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Get back in your armchair and spend some time admiring your Doctorate of Armchair Psychobabble that you got from some diploma mill.

Question: Is Russophobia preventing you from moving to Russia? Your love of Russia/Putin is a mile wide and an inch deep. Conservative (talk) 12:22, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Me? I'm actually more of a Germanophile (at least I always was until I saw a guy attending the Bayreuth Festival in a skirt last year). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:50, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

I'll make you a deal: Stop posting Nazi rhetoric and I'll stop calling attention to the fact that you post Nazi rhetoric. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:25, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Are the Ukrainians Russian? or are they Nordic Aryans as the CIA and Kyiv regime claim? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:31, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Move to Russia, RobS. Then your so-called love of Russia would have more realism, Mr. Realist. Conservative (talk) 12:50, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

What's funny is, back in the days of the CP-Ratwiki wars (which you evidently haven't got the memo yet about the ceasefire and frozen conflict), they used to debate whether or not I was Ukrainian, based on my anti-communism and penchant to mishandle the English language by dropping certain articles and prepositions. I had to assure them, no, I was born in the United States and have studied some German. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:01, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

I freely admit, I have pretty much always been a Francophobe and not much of an Anglophile. I'm troubled by modern Germany, although I culturally and historically have been a Germanophile. I overcame my own Russophobia in the late 1970s and 1980s with Solzhenitsyn's help, understanding that the Russian people were primarily Christian, and not communist. Of course, America's loss in Vietnam also played a big part in helping me to see the lies and propaganda in American media, culture, films, etc. about communism and Russia.

When the Soviet Union collapsed, it was a victory for Christianity. It's a pity nazisymps like yourself can't see that, and are trying to undo it now. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:12, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

But those damn French. I used to blame them for America's involvement in Vietnam. Now I see it was the fascists in the military industrial complex that caused it. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:17, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

I also need to give some credit to my Spanish-American friends (Chicanos) for helping me to see the lies of the American government, media, and propaganda. Sure, there are many Anglophobes in Spanish culture, who call all white people 'Angelos' even if they are Polish or Hungarian, but they told me straight up, "No, America lost in Vietnam" which I didn't realize or accept well into the 1980s. That's how brainwashed I allowed American culture to do to me. White people were no help, if they weren't in denial, they were just ignorant. But the Hispanics seemed to relish that the Angelos finally got what they deserved. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:25, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

When I forget to put the word "a" to denote singular, and have to reedit, the first thing that pops up in the back of my head is "damn French" "Why can't the English language get with the rest of planet?". I'm sure that betrays my Germanic and Slavic background. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:42, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

(left) Destruction funded by the United States of the Savur-Mohyla memorial monument to Soviet Soldiers who defeated Nazism and liberated Ukraine; (right) the monument rebuilt and restored with funds provided by the Russian Federation.

Anyways, get used to it. In life, there are no solutions, only tradeoffs. If you wanna join the anti-Russia camp, that puts you in the Nazi camp, per the 2/3 of the population of the planet that supports Russia. IMO, it would be easier to remain neutral and just shut up. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:16, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

I merely skimmed your biographical information above. Remember, I "unpersoned" you. Your email is blocked. Your phone number has been removed from my cell phone.

But by all means, keep droning on about yourself like some bore with a very large ego who often behaves abhorrently. Thank God I decided to upgrade the people I talk to off wiki. Thank God indeed! As it is commonly said, show me your friends and I’ll show you your future. Conservative (talk) 16:45, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Be honest with yourself. Last time we spoke on the phone, you asked me if the 2004 Orange Revolution was the 2014 "Revolution of Dignity" or were they two separate incidents. You know nothing of these issues regarding Ukraine, Russia, the Russia-Ukraine war, or US interference. And maybe I scream and curse on the phone cause you won't listen, refuse to listen, and troll me online. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:57, June 29, 2023 (EDT)

Boo hoo a nazi troll unpersonned me boo hoo. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:56, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

I don't give a wit what your American culture or American idioms taught you about Nazism. The fact that 80 years after the fact, you wanted to argue with me for days, weeks, and months last year whether or not non-German Nazis in Ukraine existed tells me and the whole world all they need to know. Maybe it's propaganda and brainwashing from American public schools that teaches such ignorance. I don't know. And frankly don't care. You've been warned now what a Nazi is. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:03, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

What you think you know about Nazism you learned from Hollywood and public schools; and no, the United States did not defeat Nazism and win the Second the World War. And I do not believe Andy holds to your definition of conservativism meaning stubborn and ignorant. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:34, June 29, 2023 (EDT)

Something about Rationalwiki referral traffic, I think

Speaking of RationalWikians, RationalWiki is at its [[[RationalWiki and Google referral traffic|lowest Google referral traffic point in all its recent history]]. The "Criticism of socialism" article that I inspired RationalWiki admin User: GeeJayK to write, which was recently published, must have taken a lot of wind out of secular leftists RationalWikian sails. On behalf of all capitalists, I declare total victory over internet secular leftists! It is a total beatdown on their own home field of RationalWiki. See also: RationalWiki and Google referral traffic. Conservative (talk) 20:14, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Exciting. Exhilerating. Fascinating. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:34, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Inspirational. Charming. Impressive. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:53, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

You should actually post this over at the Sum Total of Human Knowledge (Wikipedia) where it might be better appreciated and understood (and get more traffic). I don't see much relevance in a Conservative wiki. We Conservatives are all about building people and things up, not tearing down and gloating in other's misfortune. Thanks. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:37, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Peace through Strength saves lives

Immediately after Saving Souls, which is the greatest good work we can do, one of the next greatest good work we can do is surely that of saving lives. The reason I promote Raeganite Peace through Strength is because it saves lives. It has already done that by preventing Nuclear War and World War III. Peace through Strength is something Pope St. John Paul II also promoted, (so Conservative Christians, both Evangelical/Catholic Christians did), all because it helps save lives. If we hope the Gospel to grow, we don't want a major world war, especially a nuclear war. America, NATO, and the West being strong (and also including democratic Asian Countries, from India to the Philippines to Japan, which also have strong economies/large populations etc) is one of the best deterrents to threats from autocratic/communist/dictatorial regimes imo. So I don't see Peace through Strength as being opposed to Gospel Work at all, but in fact aiding it. God Bless. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 10:53, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

"Peace thru Strength" reminds me of "Kraft durch Freude". RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:05, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Why do most Christian Histories of Evangelization skip some 1000-1500 years?

I sometimes see Christians interested in Evangelization and the History of Christian Evangelism suddenly skip over from roughly 250-300 A.D. or so to around 1700-1750 A.D. or so, a massive gap of around 1500 years. Why? Most people neglect to ask themselves, but wait, "How did Europe become Christian in the First Place?" How, for e.g. did England, France, Germany and Ireland, become Baptized and Christian? The answers, respectively, are God raised up and sent Great Saints, including Popes/Bishops like Gregory the Great, Saint Augustine of Canterbury, Saint Boniface and Saint Patrick. All these are well documented and unimpeachable historical facts. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:26, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Yah, it's what many call, "The Dark Ages", etc. Big question. Careful though, 1700-1750 is the period communists writers will call the beginning of the "Age of Imperialism", while others are going to say it reflects the Protestant Reformation, equating the Roman Catholic Church with the Dark Ages. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:34, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

The name, "Dark Ages" can be misleading, implying something sinister and oppressive occurred. What it really means is that there isn't a lot of valid historical writings to go on covering a very long passage of time (largely due to widespread illiteracy); and those writings tend to be connected with the church. So in the so-called "Enlightened" Era, atheist bigots tended to just dismiss those earlier writings as being from a "dark" and sinister time. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:40, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Pls see the Evangelization of England: "As soon as they entered the dwelling-place assigned to them, they began to imitate the Apostolic manner of life in the primitive Church; applying themselves to constant prayer, watchings, and fastings; preaching the Word of life to as many as they could; despising all worldly things, as in nowise concerning them; receiving only their necessary food from those they taught; living themselves in all respects conformably to what they taught, and being always ready to suffer any adversity, and even to die for that truth which they preached. In brief, some believed and were baptized, admiring the simplicity of their blameless life, and the sweetness of their heavenly doctrine. There was on the east side of the city, a church dedicated of old to the honour of St. Martin, built whilst the Romans were still in the island, wherein the queen, who, as has been said before, was a Christian, was wont to pray. In this they also first began to come together, to chant the Psalms, to pray, to celebrate Mass, to preach, and to baptize, till when the king had been converted to the faith, they obtained greater liberty to preach everywhere and build or repair churches.

When he, among the rest, believed and was baptized, attracted by the pure life of these holy men and their gracious promises, the truth of which they established by many miracles, greater numbers began daily to flock together to hear the Word, and, forsaking their heathen rites, to have fellowship, through faith, in the unity of Christ's Holy Church. It is told that the king, while he rejoiced at their conversion and their faith, yet compelled none to embrace Christianity, but only showed more affection to the believers, as to his fellow citizens in the kingdom of Heaven. For he had learned from those who had instructed him and guided him to salvation, that the service of Christ ought to be voluntary, not by compulsion. Nor was it long before he gave his teachers a settled residence suited to their degree in his metropolis of Canterbury, with such possessions of divers sorts as were necessary for them." [Ch. 26]" [From Ecclesiastical History of the English People].

Does it sound like "Dark Ages" to you? Prayer, Fasting, Healing, Miracles, Evangelism and Christianity's Astonishing Growth, and Ultimate Triumph, in England, (with other European Countries to follow soon thereafter). This happened in the 6th and 7th Centuries. I think, after the French Revolution, Atheists and Agnostics engaged in a Propaganda War against Christendom, rewriting History, and falsely claiming "Ages of Light" and Christ's Glory were "Dark Ages". It's their own false agnostic and atheistic revolutions (like the Commie Revolution, which Solzhenitsyn heavily criticized as being founded on Militant Atheism as its Dominant Ideology - which also caused some 60 MN Deaths) that led to "Dark Ages".

James Hannam wrote: "The myth that people in the Middle Ages thought the Earth is flat appears to date from the 17th century as part of the campaign by Protestants against Catholic teaching. But it gained currency in the 19th century, thanks to inaccurate histories such as John William Draper's History of the conflict between Religion and Science (1874) and Andrew Dickson White's A History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom (1896). Atheists and agnostics championed the conflict thesis for their own purposes, but historical research gradually demonstrated that Draper and White had propagated more fantasy than fact in their efforts to prove that science and religion are locked in eternal conflict." https://www.patheos.com/resources/additional-resources/2010/05/science-versus-christianity NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:45, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

I dunno; I was giving a broad outline of historiography. I may be light on specifics. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:58, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

We can always call them trannies

The one thing you can be sure of is that whatever you are calling them is bigoted and wrong. USA Today says LGBQ+. What happened to the "T," you transphobes! Canada knows how to do it right: They've switched to "2SLGBTQI+". I want to see Biden say that three times fast. Here is the real pride news: "45% of 'LGBQ+' U.S. high schoolers contemplated suicide in 2021 according to CDC report." I know the Mega MAGA will peddle their conspiracy theories. But we all know its because transphobic bigots are refusing use the right pronouns. PeterKa (talk) 09:37, June 29, 2023 (EDT)

There's a civil war in the LGBT movement: some of the LGBs wanna kick out the Ts, they are divided between human rights activists and LGBs who wanna have sex with anything so long as its human and still alive. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:26, June 29, 2023 (EDT)

The history of the LGBT movement tells you everything you need to know. It started out as Gay Pride. Many Lesbians identified as gay, however there is a certain element within the Lesbian group infected with misanthropy or misandryism or whatever the word is and identify strictly as Lesbian. So when lesbians allied with gays, the patriarchy won out and deferred to women, chivalrously putting ladies first in the Lesbian-Gay alliance. Bisexuals soon were added cause they, unlike some lesbians, did not hate and/or fear members of the opposite sex. When the "T" was added, it initially referred to transexuals, who at the time were largely crossdressers (transvestites) with a few undergoing "sex reassignment" surgery (the term used in the Hollywood blockbuster Silence of the Lambs, where a person with gender dysphoria makes a convenient villain and scapegoat as a psychotic serial killer. I doubt such a transphobic movie could be made today with its vulgar stereotypes about gender confused people. Nevertheless the film remains popular as one of the scariest horrors films ever made). As Big Pharma started churning out more and more gender dysphoria victims in the lab, "transexual" was replaced with "transgender". RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:06, June 29, 2023 (EDT)

The term "gay" likewise has an interesting history. It begins with Friedrich Nietzsche's 19th century book, The Gay Science. Many decades later Hollywood produced a film entitled The Gay Divorcee. By the 1960s gays "came out of the closet" and admitted that the word "gay" was a codeword dropped in casual conversation for nearly a hundred years to feel out a person if they were susceptible to homosexual advances (facilitated by the "intellectual", academic, and popular culture references to the book or film). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:25, June 29, 2023 (EDT)

What is remarkable about the Lesbian-Gay Alliance (later the LGBT alliance} is, it normalized people with underlying psychological problems. Lesbians who refused to identify as "gay", suffer from the same irrational underlying fear and psychological maladies that they accuse homophobes of. Only in the case of the larger hetero community, what was once a psychiatric disorder was decriminalized, whereas many in the LGBT movement and their "straight" allies seek to criminalize what is by definition a psychological disorder. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:58, June 29, 2023 (EDT)

Boom! De Santis and Trump neck and neck in Wisconsin; De Santis does better against Biden

"Former President Trump and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis are neck and neck for the 2024 GOP presidential primary in Wisconsin, according to a new poll. A Marquette University Law School Poll survey of Wisconsin voters released Wednesday found 31 percent of Republicans and independents who lean Republican said Trump was their Republican presidential primary preference, while 30 percent said DeSantis."

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4072012-trump-desantis-neck-and-neck-in-wisconsin-poll/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:45, June 29, 2023 (EDT)

The problem here is you have to believe those polls which are not neutral, independent, and carry a corporatist agenda. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:07, June 29, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, the Trump Organization is a corporation made up of about 500 companies and Donald Trump is the sole/principle owner. It is a conglomerate (A multi-industry company under one corporate group). Businesses often form corporations to reduce taxes. Why are you so against capitalism and corporations? Small businesses are the economic backbone of the USA and many of those companies are corporations. Trump was great for many American businesses and he was very pro-business. And many businesses are flocking to Florida due to DeSantis' pro-business policies.

I just looked at another source, and it's even more astounding than I thought! Wait for it - in a head-to-head or one on contest, can you guess who beats whom? De Santis beats Trump by 16 points! Wow. Here's the source: "Among Republicans in the Badger State, DeSantis is almost tied with Trump, pulling 30% of the vote versus Trump’s 31%. It gets better. The poll found that DeSantis’s approval rating among Republicans and Republican-leaving voters (67%) is nearly equal to Trump’s (68%) and in a hypothetical (and probably mythical) one-on-one contest, DeSantis actually leads Trump by 16 points —57% to 41%." https://morningshots.thebulwark.com/p/finally-a-good-poll-for-desantis

That means, if the field were narrowed down to De Santis and Trump alone, De Santis beats Trump handily and it's not even close!!!

Wow. Even I, a De Santis supporter, did not expect that so early, and am still digesting the information. As for whether it's likely or not that the field will narrow down to 1-on-1 soon after the first few primaries, I think it's not at all unlikely. In 2016, around mid-March, there were only 3 candidates left in the race. It could be much the same this time around, say De Santis, Trump and Haley, and I daresay De Santis would be ahead of Trump if it were. Maybe something like 45-35-20 at that stage. So things look very good for De Santis.

As for the claim that any poll which shows Trump might struggle is not "neutral", Trump supporters can't have it both ways. If polls favoring Trump are neutral, and Trump never stops advertising when he does well in polls, then others which paint a different picture are fair game as well. It'll be interesting to watch, and my confidence in De Santis' longevity, staying power, and ultimate victory went up. Keep in mind that De Santis has plenty of backers and a 100 MN dollar door knocking army. With numbers like this, he has a good chance. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:31, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

"The business of America is business." - Calvin Coolidge, one of the USA's most conservative presidents.

RobS, it's too bad that you do not see all the greatness associated with capitalism and conservatism. Conservative (talk) 10:33, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Duh, I was talking about rigged opinion polls, duh. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:16, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, you wrote "corporatist agenda". Do you think that Donald Trump should dissolve his corporation which is a conglomerate? Conservative (talk) 13:28, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

No. I think you are pushing Benito Mussolini's agenda. But your "conservative values" make you ignorant of that. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:30, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Again, when you step into an area you know nothing about, you should just shut up, haven't you learned that much yet? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:32, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Look, let's not carry this any farther. Just go back to trolling Ace and Spud about eating French Fries, please, and leave me alone. Thanks. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:42, June 30, 2023 (EDT)]

De Santis beats Trump by a Massive 16 POINTS (57-41%) in Wisconsin in a Head to Head (1-on-1) Contest

Posting this separately as it got lost in the above as part of another discussion. This is the bottom line: "But given the choice of only DeSantis or Trump, 57% chose the Florida governor and 41% chose the former president." https://madison.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/donald-trump-tied-with-ron-desantis-in-wisconsin-gop-presidential-primary-poll-shows/article_dcbbae1a-15c6-11ee-8b2e-8fe5b68f7f16.html

It's astounding. Truly astounding. I mean, De Santis hardly declared 1 month ago, and already a clear majority of 16% percentage points favors him over the former President, Trump, in Wisconsin. De Santis also did better than Trump against Biden, the key enemy/opponent we conservatives have to beat in 2024. So, the argument that Trump keeps making from polls doesn't work for him.

Here's what Trump claimed on Truth Social for e.g.: "The DeSanctimonious campaign is DEAD! His polls are dropping like a rock heading to Hell, and the DOJ/FBI are continuing their illegal and outrageous weaponization against me only because I am leading Biden by so much. It’s called ELECTION INTERFERENCE, and they have NO FEAR against DeSanctus - He’s the one that they are dying to run against, dispute their DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN!" https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/110629151921882403 Btw, De Santis would almost certainly pardon Trump if he wins, so Trump can continue to live a free and happy life in Florida where he resides, and where De Santis is governor. However, the false claim that De Santis is doing badly in every poll is not the "Truth", as the above clearly shows. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 21:11, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

I know Wisconsin pretty well. Hillary was supposed to carry the state with 64% on the eve of the 2016 election. Propaganda like this targets people outside the state. It's been like that for a long time. It has no influence on Wisconsin voters. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:00, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Evangelicals search for Mt. Sinai -- in Saudi Arabia

A map of Arabia Petraea

Saudi Arabia, one of the least tourist-friendly countries in the world, opened to tourists in 2019. Will they find Mt. Sinai? See "Saudi Arabia Wants Tourists. It Didn’t Expect Christians." The viral video "Finding the Mountain of Moses: The Real Mount Sinai in Saudi Arabia" is said to be sending Christians to Saudi. You're not going to find archaeological evidence of a Golden Calf or of the other events in events in Exodus, so I found this video to be a stretch. The theory was proposed by Ron Wyatt, author of In Search of Noah's Ark (1976).

As far as where the mountain really is, the Bible doesn't give you much to go by. The Sinai peninsula is named after Mt. Sinai, so historically people have looked for it there. Josephus says that Mt. Sinai is the highest mountain in Arabia Petræa. Galatians 4:25 says Mt. Sinai is in "Arabia," presumably Arabia Petræa. Exodus repeatedly uses the phrase "mountain of God," which suggests that there was already a history of worship at this mountain when Moses arrived. The traditional site near St. Catherine's monastery was identified in Byzantine times and there is no archaeology to support this identification. Biblical Archaeology Review suggests Har Karkom, a paleolithic cult center in the Negev. PeterKa (talk) 09:31, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

I've seen one Wyatt video some time ago, and it was very convincing. The area is fenced off by the Saudi ruling regime, but he was able to gain access inside somehow.

Fencing off the area should not be seen in a sinister light - it is being protected from graffiti artists, vandals, and souvenir hunters. Turning the area into a tourist trap is fraught with all sorts of religious and international questions, as well. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:10, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Har Karkom an interesting visual effect on the winter solstice that might explain the "burning bush" story. PeterKa (talk) 07:23, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Federalist: DeSantis Has A Tougher Border Security Record Than Trump. Here Are The Receipts

"When DeSantis was in Congress voting for strong border security bills, President Trump was pressuring conservatives to support mass amnesty.

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/30/desantis-has-a-stronger-border-security-track-record-than-trump-here-are-the-receipts/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 14:36, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

WATCH RonDeSantis explain why he fights so hard to protect parental rights and the innocence of children

"WATCH: @RonDeSantis explains why he fights so hard to protect parental rights and the innocence of children:" https://twitter.com/DeSantisWarRoom/status/1674785505551212557 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 14:38, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Down with the Devil Mouse! Will Disney stock continue to fall? Conservative (talk) 22:07, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Falling industry profits add to China economy gloom. User: Conservative proven right - again!

Falling industry profits add to China economy gloom. See also: Essay:Skepticism about China remaining a global power

User: Conservative proven right - again!

USA! USA! USA! See: Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future. Conservative (talk) 21:58, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Given your record, if you told me to sell a Chinese stock, I'd probably buy. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:12, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Warning: This site does not give investment or medical advise. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:24, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Conservapedia:Blockable offense states:

• Spam. Some people view a wiki as just a vehicle for self promotion.

RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:31, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

China’s Economic Crisis: Influential Experts Silenced.

User: Conservative proven right - again! Conservative (talk) 22:35, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Affirmative action is struck down again

In Students for Fair Admissions, Inc, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down affirmation action as a violation of the "equal protection" clause of the 14th Amendment by a vote 6-3. They did this before in the Bakke case in 1978, so legally the issue is pretty straightforward. Biden says the Supreme Court is "out of sorts with the basic value system of the American people." But polls say otherwise. Seventy-four percent of Americans say that "public colleges should not be able to use race a factor in admissions". One hopes that admissions officers will refocus on test results rather than skin color. PeterKa (talk) 03:01, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Americans support the court's decision to end affirmation action by an overwhelming 20-point margin. An unconstitutional policy the public hated was somehow in effect for 46 years. PeterKa (talk) 10:24, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

Putin can draw!

If Putin ever has to move on from his president gig, he can draw for Spongebob. PeterKa (talk) 11:05, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Western 'intelligence' has him by the cahoonies this time. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:52, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

China/Taiwan - the Coming War. Within community of security experts, no longer if but when. Most likely by 2027. Prepare

Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov comment during Q & A at the Leaders of Russia Management Competition, Moscow, March 19, 2022. [6] NYT journalist Tom Friedman joked, "Grandma always said never fight Russia and China at the same time." [7]

We are in the Great Calm before the Storm. But don't be deceived. The Storm's Coming. Prepare. Don't panic, but prepare. Spiritually, and in every other way. Including by educating and spreading awareness about the Great Evils of Communism, including the 65+ MN dead under the CCP in Mao's time.

Tweets: "Translated from Spanish by Google: "On the possibility of a war, @jmhumir assures that, within the community of security experts, the issue is no longer about if the war between China and the US will happen, but when it will happen" https://twitter.com/AmericanoMedia/status/1674873742797750283

and: "When we talk about China 🇨🇳 #PCC there are three dates that we should all keep in mind:

2049 - Anniversary of the PRC and China wants to dominate the world.

2030 - China wants to be the world economic power.

2027 - China wants to annex Taiwan.

The question is not whether there will be a conflict with China, the question is whether we are prepared to stop them."

https://twitter.com/jmhumire/status/1674903598029783047 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 21:03, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

China doesn't need to annex Taiwan, it's already part of China. Blinken just said so. [32] RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:30, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

This war was originally suppose to happen in 2021, but got cancelled cause of the pandemic, I suppose. Then it was pushed back to 2022; last week we were told 2025, Now it's 2027 cause the globalists and military industrial complex got themselves in a bind in Ukraine, and the original plan was to knock out Russia first. They can't carry out their aggression against China without knocking out Russia first, which will never happen cause Russia will nuke the globalists before that ever happens.

This planned US aggression against China looks more and more like scare tactics, like lockdowns, social distancing, and mask wearing - scare tactics for expanded government surveillance and societal control. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:44, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

The globalists and deep state want people to live in fear, whether it's the pandemic, Russia, China, white supremacists, etc etc etc. It is the source of their power, to get people to beg government for protection. We have not been given a spirit of fear, but of love, power, and a sound mind. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:48, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Red China has been on the verge of attacking Taiwan for a long time. It's a journalism evergreen. There was more tension in 1996, when China was threatening to nuke Taiwan. Japan is planning a major defense buildup, so time is not necessarily on China's side. PeterKa (talk) 05:21, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Why is it okay for the US to support Taiwan separatists but Russia can't back Donbas separatists? Oh, and don't gimme this 'Ukraine is a democracy' BS. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 05:25, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

The options are to be pro-separatist across the board or anti-separatist across the board? That seems rather limiting. PeterKa (talk) 06:39, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

I just have a hard time figuring out if separatists are good guys or bad guys. I note Western propaganda never refers to "US-backed Taiwan separatists" while the US official position recognizes Taiwan as part of China. And it's a little odd, seeing that providing arms to separatists is a violation of Chinese sovereignty and the UN Charter. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:15, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

I mean, I thought Putin was a bad guy cause he provided aid to Donbas, but the US has been doing the same thing to Taiwan for 50 years. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:21, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Since 1945, in terms of military victories, the United States has experienced little except military stalemate and loss. On top of this, the huge military expenses have helped make the USA less secure due to their help in building up the enormous national debt.

In addition, the USA "community of security experts" have not secured the Mexican border - despite a very large amount of Americans dying of drug overdoses.

The current US "community of security experts" have a terrible track record - despite the USA having two enormous oceans helping to protect the USA and the USA having the friendly northern neighbor of Canada. So it's time to stop listening to them and find ways to reduce their funding.

Lastly, China is in bad financial shape and is a mercantile nation very dependent on foreign trade so its doubtful that they will attack Taiwan. In addition, amphibian assaults are difficult and even if Taiwan were successfully conquered by mainland China, much of its most valuable assets could be destroyed. Conservative (talk) 09:26, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

The Atlantic. Now there's another pro-neocon, pro-globalist deep state publication. The official publication of the Atlantic Council, which was behind the Russia collusion hoax and NATO war in Ukraine. Two questions: (a) Why do you fill your head with such crap? and (b) why do you even bring it here for serious discussion? If you believe reading and citing The Atlantic makes you look informed or intelligent, it doesn't. It makes you look naive and brainwashed. Thanks. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:31, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Drain the swamp! Stop spilling swamp water all over CP Talk pages!. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:50, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

You are engaging in the genetic fallacy which is a logical fallacy.

So are you saying that America's post-1945 wars have been victorious affairs? At best, the best case that can be made is that South Korea is free. But the Korean War was a stalemate. And in 2020, President Donald Trump signaled that he wants South Korea to pay more than what Seoul is already paying for U.S. military presence there.

You blew it RobS with your past support for bloated USA military budgets. One of your heroes Colonel Douglas MacGregor says the USA military is bloated and needs to be pared down. MacGregor argues that it is the homeland that the USA needs to defend and that the USA should stop being interventionist overseas. Conservative (talk) 17:28, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Even the subheading you posted here has nothing to do with text you've posted. Go troll somebody else. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:17, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Maybe Ace McWicked is eating too many French Fries and carbohydrates right now, and you could do an intervention and prolong his life. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:35, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

If a secular leftists website which claims to be pro-science is promoting the eating of junk food/ultra-processed food, of course there is nothing wrong with showing it is not practicing sound nutritional science nor is it practicing sound medical science. This is so obvious that your stubborn refusal to see the obvious is quite unreasonable. Conservative (talk) 23:35, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Go ahead, continue. On behalf of Peter and Nishant, I want to thank you for disrupting and destroying our conversation. Thank you. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:41, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

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We were attempting to have an intelligent discussion about how to handle the China/Taiwan issue on the Main Page, and you intruded with irrelevant, poorly sourced, unnecessary claptrap, and made it impossible for three editors, Nishant, Peter, and myself, to cooperate and move forward, Thank you. You've had this disrespectful habit and attitude toward other good faith editors for as long as I have known you. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:45, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

No one is interested in listening to you pretend to sound intelligent, except yourself, when you do not even understand the purpose of a conversation between three other good faith editors. 23:47, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Nishant recently upbraided you for engaging in personal attacks and other rude and boorish behavior. He did no such thing with me. Please exercise some self-awareness as it is needed. Conservative (talk) 00:51, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

Is Russia repeating the Soviet Union's mistake? Putin talks about guns and butter

Russia’s Economy Is Starting to Come Undone, Investment is down, labor is scarce, budget is squeezed. Oligarch: ‘There will be no money next year’, Wall Street Journal, March 2023

"The country’s biggest exports, gas and oil, have lost major customers. Government finances are strained. The ruble is down over 20% since November against the dollar. The labor force has shrunk as young people are sent to the front or flee the country over fears of being drafted. Uncertainty has curbed business investment.

“Russia’s economy is entering a long-term regression,” predicted Alexandra Prokopenko, a former Russian Central Bank official who left the country shortly after the invasion.

There is no sign the economic difficulties are bad enough to pose a short-term threat to Russia’s ability to wage war. But state revenue shortfalls suggest an intensifying dilemma over how to reconcile ballooning military expenditures with the subsidies and social spending that have helped President Vladimir Putin shield civilians from hardship.

Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska warned this month that Russia is running out of cash. “There will be no money next year, we need foreign investors,” the raw-materials magnate said at an economic conference...

“Despite Russia’s resilience in the short term, the long-term picture is bleak: Moscow will be much more inward-looking and overly dependent on China,” said Maria Shagina, a senior fellow at the International Institute for Strategic Studies think tank in London....=

“You know, there is a maxim, guns versus butter,” Mr. Putin said in a state-of-the-nation address last month. “Of course, national defense is the top priority, but in resolving strategic tasks in this area, we should not repeat the mistakes of the past and should not destroy our own economy.”

For much of Mr. Putin’s more than 20 years in charge, high oil and gas revenue underpinned a social contract that saw most Russians largely staying out of opposition politics and protests in exchange for rising living standards.

The International Monetary Fund has estimated that Russia’s potential growth rate—the rate at which it could grow without courting inflation—was around 3.5% before 2014, the year it seized Crimea from Ukraine. That has now fallen to around 1%, some economists say, as productivity declines and the economy becomes technologically backward and more isolated."[33] Conservative (talk) 01:12, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

26 Years since the Hong Kong Handover, the World Learns that the Commie CCP cannot be trusted to keep its Promises

"Twenty-six years ago today, Hong Kong was handed over to China on a promise.

Beijing made the commitment, under an international treaty, to protect Hong Kong’s freedoms, the rule of law, human rights, way of life and autonomy for at least fifty years. Over the past decade, and especially in the past few years, Beijing has completely broken its promises, torn up the treaty and dismantled Hong Kong’s freedoms. It has turned Hong Kong from one of Asia’s most open cities into one of its most repressive police states.

The erosion of Hong Kong’s freedoms began a decade or more ago, but Beijing dealt a hammer-blow to whatever was left of liberty when it imposed a draconian National Security Law on the city, with no debate, no discussion and precious little warning."

From: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/01/twenty-six-years-since-the-hong-kong-handover-china-has-rip/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 07:43, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

It was an open secret that China would break its promises to Hong Kong as soon as it could. Zeng Qinghong tried to impose a national security law in 2003, provoking massive protests. In those days, Hong Kong was more important for China economically than it is now, so Beijing backed down. Not coincidentally, Zeng was Xi Jinping's mentor. Xi's campaign against Hong Kong began in 2012, when he proposed a pro-communist curriculum called "Moral and National Education." PeterKa (talk) 10:14, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

It was a genuine tragedy to sit and watch, as Donald Trump was neutered by the deep state to say or do anything, while those people pleaded for help. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:43, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

A walk down memory lane. The people have spoken RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:01, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

In July 2020, Trump signed a law to impose sanctions if China acted against Hong Kong. It was certainly a big deal in Hong Kong. For a few months, it seemed like the crisis was over. From December 2020 to February 2022, the city was under covid lockdown. In May 2021, Hong Kong was caught by surprise when Beijing announced that it would impose a national security law after all. PeterKa (talk) 11:56, July 2, 2023 (EDT)