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You have been blocked indefinitely.

Blocked: RobSmith and VargasMilan

Reasons for action taken.

Substantial violation of key Conservapedia ethical and moral principles: To wit:

Conservapedia Commandments: number 3.

Conservapedia Guidelines#Duties:

Blocking for ideological reasons
Name Calling and Insults
Using Article Talk pages as Debate Forums for unresolved historical ideological and theological controversies
Unjustified threat of blocking and of massive deletion of all previous contributions (see below)

Conservapedia Guidelines#Civility:

Violation of Civility
Attacking for beliefs

Conservapedia Guidelines#Teamwork

number 2.

Conservapedia Guidelines#90/10 Rule

The sheer bulk of antagonistic responses of opinionated prejudicial point-of-view compared to the verifiable content of substantiated articles wrongly rejected as wrong and biased, refusal to accept reasonable replies with courtesy and respect, and refusal to let the matter rest.

Conservapedia:Topic bans: evidence of promoting a personal agenda as against well-founded research

Conservapedia:How Conservapedia Differs from Wikipedia: numbers 12. and 15.

Bias#Encyclopedias: clear evidence of slanted bias in unjustified activities against multiple Conservapedia users

Trolling: evidence of, in exhibits below

Exhibits follow

A. Unjustified threat of blocking acted on and threat of obtaining a cooperative partner in plan to exercise massive deletion of all previous contributions

User talk:Dataclarifier#Suggestion "enjoy a block" unless a response is forthcoming
Talk:Salvation#Wow threat to get an administrator to "nuke all your contributions from day one"
User talk:Dataclarifier#Unjustified block

C. Talk:Infant baptism#Comment on page

Talk:Infant baptism: general tone of sheer bulk of numerous repetitive arguments and attacks with more of the same in an extensive archive of the page

D. Talk:Helpless babies and sinners: attack on an established doctrinal belief

E. User talk:Dataclarifier#Infant baptism

B. Debate: Infant baptism: repetitive attacks on beliefs and contentious arguing lacking civility

F. User talk:Dataclarifier#Ridiculous arguments

G. User talk:Dataclarifier#See Talk:Salvation

Exhibit A above suggests that RobSmith may have indeed elicited the cooperative agreement of VargasMilan to effect the intended [21 Feb to 1 May] unjustified block removed 25 Feb by AndyS. Further evidence from the comments made by VargasMilan on the linked talk and debate pages of the other exhibits strongly suggests a similar shared hostility and antipathy toward the fundamental key principles of Conservapedia which gradually becomes more evident from the reactions of other users in later postings on both their talk pages.

H. User talk:VargasMilan

I. User talk:RobSmith

Copies to Aschlafly, RobSmith, VargasMilan

--Dataclarifier (talk) 15:49, 3 May 2020 (EDT)

Hi Rob, when are you coming back? --Jpatt 13:54, 5 May 2020 (EDT)

I'm here. I'm trying to get back full time, but it's been one crisis after another since the CCP bioweapon attack. McDonald's isn't even selling hamburgers anymore. I've been helping some of my neighbors hunker down in their bunkers. But I'm monitoring CP and keeping up with the latest developments. RobSLive Free or Die 16:12, 5 May 2020 (EDT)

Can you tell me how to add text next to name

Hi RobS. I notice you have the text "Live Free or Die" next to your name. Can you tell me how to add the same? I want to add "For Christ the King".NishantXavier (talk) 11:58, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

Go to Preferences, New Signature. Use this code. Then hit Save.

[[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup>

RobSLive Free or Die 17:30, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

Thanks!NishantXavierFor Christ the King 21:47, 13 May 2020 (EDT)

Remember that Obamagate page on Facebook?

500 new like this week. That page is on fire simply because of the hashtag. Is it okay with you if I make Karajou and TerryH admins on that page? I don't even remember what our goal was with that page. DMorris (talk) 21:44, 12 May 2020 (EDT)

Sure/ I forgot my password. Haven't been there in years. The page was the genesis of CP's Obamagate series. RobSLive Free or Die 23:21, 12 May 2020 (EDT)


I took your suggestion about clarifying some of the wording for my recent essay plus I added some great quotes by you. I decided to give it less space on your web page as many people at CP prefer I mention this subject sparingly.Conservative (talk) 01:20, 14 May 2020 (EDT)

it now reads,
  • Ace has yet to restore User: GiuoccoPiano's content that User: GiuoccoPiano added;
  • Ace has yet to restore the content User: GiuoccoPian added
avoids redundancy. RobSLive Free or Die 04:00, 14 May 2020 (EDT)
I fixed it.
By the way, I added: I thought the Old Testament prophets gave some grave proclamations to people filled with gloom and doom until I saw this! Woe unto you editors! You are "far less welcoming"! Far less welcoming is atheist-speak for you guys are quarrelsome, socially challenged, male atheist. See also: Atheism and social skills and Atheism and women.
Maybe they should have fruit baskets delivered to new editors residences. That might stop their precipitous decline.Conservative (talk) 06:03, 14 May 2020 (EDT)
Ace: I see that you are a new editor. May I have your name and address please?
New editor: Why do you want that?
Ace: To deliver a fruit basket to your residence.
New editor: No thanks. I'm good.
If you could mention the fruit basket idea to Ace, I would appreciate it.Conservative (talk) 06:25, 14 May 2020 (EDT)

When creating a table, is there any way to change font and align text within the table?

Hi Rob, I have another question. When we create a table on Conservapedia, is there any way to align the text to the centre like we do in Excel? Or to change the font of one of the rows, e.g. boldface for the total rows? NishantXavierFor Christ the King 15:53, 15 May 2020 (EDT)

Ewww, I'm not the technical expert who knows those things. For boldening, maybe you can try and experiment with the code here; for font color you'd have to experiment with the code <font color="brown"></font> (brown or whatever color) but I'm not sure where to place it. RobSLive Free or Die 16:07, 15 May 2020 (EDT)
Alright, so I was able to align the text to the center. However, about changing the color of the rows/columns, I'm not sure. For the latter, I think DavidB4 will know more about the technical details. --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 16:31, 15 May 2020 (EDT)

Thanks! I figured out how to bold the figures for the total rows. It turned out to be simple enough, just use the bold for the table text as we do normally. It's done. Please check, guys, to see if it's fine. Next, we can move on to the projections. Be back soon.NishantXavierFor Christ the King 17:00, 15 May 2020 (EDT)

I saw it, and it looks great! --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 17:06, 15 May 2020 (EDT)

Thanks, Liberal Tears, for your great help, that made it easy. And Rob also.

If fine, we can start compiling available polling for each individual state.

I did it for Alabama:

Do either of you have picture rights? I don't. If the pic is fine, can we use it?

We can put the map next to the table. Shall I create a table for 2020 predictions? NishantXavierFor Christ the King 12:17, 16 May 2020 (EDT)

For "picture rights", I think you're referring to upload rights. I unfortunately don't have the "upload" tag, but Rob does. --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 12:21, 16 May 2020 (EDT)

Awan investigation

Rob, I read somewhere that the police investigation, where they examined devices the Awans used, was closed the day after it opened. Since you followed and wrote about the case, I thought you might find that interesting! Had you heard that yet, or is it something you already know about? VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 21:50, 16 May 2020 (EDT)

It's complicated and much remains unknown. The usual Deep State suspects are involved - the DNC chair, DOJ prosecutors, and Paul Ryan - the same cohorts in the Obamagate scandal and coverup. What you may be referring to is, that after years of waiting for some prosecutorial action, the day Imran Awan pled guilty to some minor charge, it was revealed the case had been closed months earlier.
All we have right now is some speculation and theory. It appears about 60 Democrat Congresspeople were victims of a scam and blackmail perpetrated by Debbie Wasserman Schultz. But that may be minor compared to what actually did happen, and what Paul Ryan and Debbie Wasserman Schultz covered up. Apparently someone or entity in Pakistan and possibly elsewhere were receiving real-time information from Congressional Committees and offices. Why? Donations? Blackmail? Who knows? Wasserman Schultz most certainly was wittingly involved in this treason; Paul Ryan turned the other cheek, possibly because the DNC had some offsetting blackmail information to use against the RNC. Who knows?
There are two likely trails to follow here: (1) is the information being transmitted to Pakistan. Who, what, when where, why? (2) In a very similar circumstance, which may or may not be related, simultaneously Hillary Clinton's illegal server was transmitting to China real time information from the State Department and the Secretary of State's office.
Because of the similarity in mode, method, timeframe, and personalities involved, and the subsequent coverups, I'd pursue both questions as one investigation. RobSLive Free or Die 22:07, 16 May 2020 (EDT)
IOWs, the setup Imran Awan had in house was very similar to the setup Hillary Clinton had in her house, designed to transmit real time national security information to foreign entities. RobSLive Free or Die 22:19, 16 May 2020 (EDT)
My guess, and I'll take a shot in the dark, is this treasonous activity on the part of the Democrat party from its highest levels and the Obama administration was a sale of national security information in exchange for illegal foreign donations, some of which ended up in the hands of Democrat candidates at all levels, federal and state. Conversely, Paul Ryan and his cohort Reince Prebius may have been involved in something of equal dubiousness, having turned a blind eye and assisted in the coverup. RobSLive Free or Die 22:26, 16 May 2020 (EDT)
Not to go off on a tangent, but let me editorialize some observations:
  • Clinton opponents waited for years for prosecutorial action against Clinton. It never happened.
  • Democrat critics waited for years for prosecutorial action in the Awan case. It never happened.
  • Trump critics waited for years for prosecutorial action in the Mueller probe. It never happened.
  • Obama critics have waited for years for prosecutorial action from John Durham. The precedents aren't encouraging.
In the Clinton case, Hillary Clinton may have received a secret pardon from Obama early on, making the FBI probe moot and window dressing. If true, Obama granting a pardon, and Hillary accepting a pardon for felonious conduct and treason, would have been an issue before Hillary received the DNC nomination and in the general election. This would simply amount to one more count in the Obamagate scandal for misuse of the FBI to conduct a loaded investigation and interfere in 2016 election as cover for a secret pardon to deceive the American people. RobSLive Free or Die 23:15, 16 May 2020 (EDT)

Articles for Deletion

Hi Rob. I have selected the article "Indian Occupied Kashmir" for deletion. The article was created by RepublicanRichard who is parroting the same narrative that Pakistani Military and ISI propagandists push. The sources he uses are all Turkish and Pakistani.Bytemsbu (talk) 20:17, 24 May 2020 (EDT)
Actually, I wasn't aware there was an alleged Indian occupation of Kashmir, but I'm not surprised. Last I heard a few days ago was a military confrontation at the China/Indian border. RobSLive Free or Die 23:30, 24 May 2020 (EDT)
Just to give you background, Pakistan invaded the princely state of Jammu and Kashmir in the year 1947. Under the threat of the Pakistani invasion, the Maharaja of the Jammu and Kashmir princely state acceded to India. You can read more about it here [[1]].Bytemsbu (talk) 23:53, 24 May 2020 (EDT)
I made some changes. Why don't you add that to a ==History== section and then more information could be added about the current dispute. RobSLive Free or Die 23:55, 24 May 2020 (EDT)
Right now, the page is an orphan; you just need to watch for other page links to "Indian Occupied Kashmir" and replace it with "the disputed territory of Jammu_and_Kashmir." RobSLive Free or Die 23:58, 24 May 2020 (EDT)
I screwed up - I misspelled the name. Now it needs to be deleted. Can you Merge the contents of Jammu_and_Kashmi at Jammu_and_Kashmir? RobSLive Free or Die 00:13, 25 May 2020 (EDT)
I'll see what I can do.Bytemsbu (talk) 00:16, 25 May 2020 (EDT)
Sorry, I think I'm half awake. I am going to take all the contents from Jammu_and_Kashmi and merge them at Jammu_and_Kashmir, then deleted the misspelled title. Jammu_and_Kashmir then needs to be reorganized. RobSLive Free or Die 00:24, 25 May 2020 (EDT)

Running a Checkuser

I have a suspicion that RepublicanRichard is actually a Pakistani Muslim who works at the University of Houston. I have given more details about this at [[2]]. Can you run a checkuser on his account to see if the IP's are coming from Houston?Bytemsbu (talk) 14:36, 25 May 2020 (EDT)
Simply because somebody may or may not be a Muslim isn't cause to invade their privacy; while the user's creation of a somewhat biased or slanted article may be controversial, it didn't really contain anything that couldn't be fix. Bottomline, he hasn't done anything yet to warrant blocking. But I hope you keep me informed on these contributions cause I just can't be everywhere at once monitoring everything. Thank you. RobSLive Free or Die 14:47, 25 May 2020 (EDT)
I think the fact that he is Muslim is an important detail. I question how this person even found out about this website. Which only leads me to believe that it could be an attempt to purposely infiltrate Conservapedia.Bytemsbu (talk) 15:55, 25 May 2020 (EDT)
Latest news reports show Pakistan supporting Uighur Muslims in the war against Communist China; [3] India is a solid ally, but if Pakistan were to change sides then we'd have something to worry about. RobSLive Free or Die 20:06, 26 May 2020 (EDT)
Pakistan is hand in glove with China. They refuse to condemn China's actions against the Uighurs and in fact will dodge around it when questioned [[4]]. Bytemsbu (talk) 20:44, 26 May 2020 (EDT)


Has there been a confirmation yet whether RepublicanRichard's IP address goes back to Houston?Bytemsbu (talk) 15:19, 26 May 2020 (EDT)
Also, I believe that the IP of Kamran Riaz's Blog site is (talk) 15:22, 26 May 2020 (EDT)
I haven't checked cause he hasn't really violated any site policy. RobSLive Free or Die 15:55, 26 May 2020 (EDT)

Created a New Page

I created a new page about the country East Turkestan which is currently under Chinese occupation. Can I have some help categorizing it? Bytemsbu (talk) 21:11, 26 May 2020 (EDT)
I added a cat. but it remains an orphan. RobSLive Free or Die 23:06, 26 May 2020 (EDT)

Map of China

Can the Map of China be changed so that Tibet and East Turkestan are shown as separate countries? Bytemsbu (talk) 15:49, 27 May 2020 (EDT)
What about Outer (or Inner, depending on context) Mongolia? RobSLive Free or Die 16:37, 27 May 2020 (EDT)
I think you are referring to South Mongolia. But yes, that should be shown as separate.Bytemsbu (talk) 17:16, 27 May 2020 (EDT)
I agree we definitely need a good map showing disputed territories with the indigenous populations; replacing the main map in the China article is probably a long way off. Alternatively, we have a People's Republic of China article where I believe a whole section with subsections on disputed territories should be included. I'd be happy to work with you on that.
Also, find a good map and I'll upload it. RobSLive Free or Die 18:31, 27 May 2020 (EDT)
I found some good antique maps, [[5]], [[6]]. Bytemsbu (talk) 20:32, 27 May 2020 (EDT)
There here. RobSLive Free or Die 22:20, 27 May 2020 (EDT)
So, am I now able to upload it to the article on China?Bytemsbu (talk) 22:21, 27 May 2020 (EDT)
Why don't you start with the PRC article and we can develop some good narrative text, then integrate things into History of China and eventually the full China article. RobSLive Free or Die 22:30, 27 May 2020 (EDT)

Hi there

Hey rob I need something to work on. Ty BorisKhlivski (talk) 22:17, 27 May 2020 (EDT)

How about Trump administration and the CCP with this as your primary source. RobSLive Free or Die 22:28, 27 May 2020 (EDT)

Scandinavia is not socialist

The bulk of Scandinavian workers go to work just like everyone else in all other western non-socialist countries; that is, they go to work (for their own paychecks) in companies or enterprises that are mostly privately-owned and that operate on a mostly for-profit basis (paying all due taxes of course, and so on). The workers can freely unionize and negotiate and such, have full freedom of movement in employment, and are not restricted at all by the State. The main difference is they have higher and more extensive taxation systems there, which (partly) help to fund the ‘welfare state’ (the benefits, etc, available for citizens).

The prime minister of Denmark even said Denmark isn't socialist.

Why do you even want Scandinavia not to be socialist. Don't you love capitalism and want successful countries to be included in it. Also they do have higher political and civil liberties than in the US. It's okay for the US not to be number one on everything. I'm data-driven, not ideology driven and do not think everyone not on my side is evil.

There has been a loss of basic human rights in socialist Sweden, particularly free speech rights. 23:11, 4 June 2020 (EDT)

Right... Sweden has better political and civil liberties.

Right. If you campaign against an elected parliamentarians voting record, you get charged with a hate speech crime. RobSLive Free or Die 14:19, 5 June 2020 (EDT)

Just a few questions

I'm only curious about a couple of things.

1. I know that Nazism stands for "National Socialism" and that Hitler did do SOME socialist things with his government. However, I have been told before that Stalin did WAY more socialist things with his government. And yes, I know Stalin was a communist. All that aside, I had also heard before that Hitler was NOT even MOSTLY a socialist (just partially), but rather more of a fascist. Is that true? If not, please give me an explanation.

2. Were KGB agents during the Cold War capable of being on any organized crime syndicates' payrolls, or in other words bribed by mobsters? If not, why?

Thanks in advance for the answers. (King Conservative (talk) 11:27, 8 June 2020 (EDT)King Conservative)

As to (1), just read the history of Volkswagon, (Das Volk, as in Das Volk RepubliK of China). Volkswagon, which today is a privately held stock company, was originally founded as a state enterprise, owned by das volk, run by das volk, to create and serve a product for das volk (verses Beemers and Mercedes which only "the rich" could afford). It's hard to find a good history of Volkswagon; during the war das Volk had to use foreign volk as slave labor to keep the company going because of manpower shortages. After the war it was privatized. The big question is why it hasn't it been forced into bankruptcy, like I.G. Farben, by lawsuits from victims? Anyway, Power To The People!
National Socialism is a collectivist mentality based on racial identity politics. It ignored the call for globalist revolution from Moscow in 1919, Workers of the World Unite! This is because Germany was the original home of Cultural Marxism from the Frankfurt School after the failure of the 1848 Revolutions. The collectivist mindset, racial identity politics, and anti-democratic values were set in place during the culture wars (kultur kampf) over the span of two generations during the Second Reich. A cultural revolution was complete by 1921.
These Marxist values were totally alien to Russia in 1918, and Nazis weren't about to bend the knee to some Third World Russians who imagined they headed a globalist people's revolution whose main target for its first takeover was Germany.
(2) A difficult question. Very likely not. CIA used mafia hitmen as early as the 50s to give the U.S. government deniability. The way to study this subject is to examine the role of organized crime in USSR and its relationship with the KGB as well as CIA's relationship with organized crime in the US. Russian organized crime today was greatly strengthened by the fall of the USSR as many ex-KGB, which was also the border guard, went to work full time for the Russian mafia who controlled smuggling of foreign made goods to get around economic sanctions, narcotics trafficing, and human trafficing. And controlled the internal distribution networks. It was a joint partnership between organized crime and the KGB, and why das volk {Russian: narodny) were so angered by government corruption. While the US never suffered from economic sanctions imposed by a foreign power, CIA's relations with narco-terrorist weapons smugglers outside the US is well known. RobSLive Free or Die 12:13, 8 June 2020 (EDT)
Another thing to keep in mind: Hitler was a far-leftist who, after failing in liberal arts, blamed all his problems on the Jews whom he deemed privileged and the root source of every problem on Earth (akin to leftist anti-Zionists today). --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 12:22, 8 June 2020 (EDT)
"The Jews" was used by Nazis the same as "the rich" in U.S.. Marxist rhetoric and terminology is always aimed at about a 14 year old mentality . The People, Das Volk, Narodny. In Hawaii, Frank Marshall Davis wrote of 'plain people', which encompassed all non-white groups, Asians, Samoans, Pacific Islanders, Philippinos, resident Chinese and Japanese, etc. I'm beginning to see this type of rhetoric from AOC and others, where 'plain people' differ from 'the rich', i.e. white people (poor kids are just as smart as white kids). RobSLive Free or Die 12:32, 8 June 2020 (EDT)
If there ever was a socialist dream come true, it is Volkswagon (The People's Car). Having seized power, the workers went beyond seizing the means of production and answered critics who claimed Socialism is incapable of innovation by starting their own state run manufacturing enterprise (state planning) with the latest technology. Compare this with modern China. RobSLive Free or Die 12:40, 8 June 2020 (EDT)
This targeting of adolescent minds with slogans rather than policy proposals we've just seen take place with "Defund the Police!" Remember "Abolish ICE!" which Democrat presidential candidates signed on to? We're not even discussing the policy implications of that brilliant proposal, and now have moved on to city councils debating the next step. RobSLive Free or Die 12:50, 8 June 2020 (EDT)

Karl Marx

Just to let you know, the information I put about Karl Marx did NOT originate from me. It originated from James Paul Wickstrom, it you know who that is. (King Conservative (talk) 14:13, 16 June 2020 (EDT)King Conservative)

Not really and who cares, other than the hate mongers at SPLC and other brainwashed individuals. RobSLive Free or Die 14:23, 16 June 2020 (EDT)

In the News

For the news headline, we need to add that the Indian Army killed over 43 PLA troops in retaliation.Bytemsbu (talk) 11:15, 17 June 2020 (EDT)

Ok. Let me check for updates. I'm getting conflicting reports on the North Korean situation and I'd look to pair the two together. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 11:19, 17 June 2020 (EDT)
I'm not sure of the veracity of that Indian report; it could simply be 20 x 2 = 40 + 3 from the first day reports = 43 dead in retaliation. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 11:29, 17 June 2020 (EDT)
U.S intelligence has reported that 35 Chinese were killed.Bytemsbu (talk) 11:39, 17 June 2020 (EDT)
Good. I'll use ibtimes link. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 11:45, 17 June 2020 (EDT)
(Note: I sometimes try to avoid using Fox to avoid being dismissed out of hand or being accused of being a brainwashed Fox echo chamber). RobSTrump 2Q2Q 11:50, 17 June 2020 (EDT)


Nobs add a hyperlink to your story. --Jpatt 09:44, 24 June 2020 (EDT)

Please quickly block this vandal

Hi RobSmith, can you please block MagaMr and delete the vandalized revision? Thanks! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 01:44, 29 June 2020 (EDT)

Whoa whoa!

Rob you have doubled the size of MPR! VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 02:21, 8 July 2020 (EDT)

What do you mean? in length or in font size? I can't keep up with what I'd like to post. RobSTrump 2Q2Q
Recently I've taken to storing links there that get added to pages later, there's so much news. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 02:24, 8 July 2020 (EDT)

Just a thought

Maybe you guys should declare the epidemic over! I've heard some people trying to do that. VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 10:52, 8 July 2020 (EDT)

Covid? No way. Now we got covid II and bubonic plague to worry about. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 10:59, 8 July 2020 (EDT)


Is it necessary to have administrative privileges to post in the time when normal posting is locked? Or can this also be granted to newbies like me. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 11:21, 8 July 2020 (EDT)

What do you mean? Are certain pages locked you're trying to edit? RobSTrump 2Q2Q 11:29, 8 July 2020 (EDT)
I think NishantXavier might be referring to nighttime mode, where editing pages is limited to users with either the "edit" or "Administrator" tag. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 11:32, 8 July 2020 (EDT)
Okay. Andy grants those rights. Nishant could ask on Andy's page. I can put in a good word if there's a delay. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 11:47, 8 July 2020 (EDT)
Lots of luck, I've been here for several years longer than NishantXavier and I STILL don't have edit rights. Andy won't answer me. Shobson20 (talk) 00:56, 9 July 2020 (EDT)
At least you have block rights though, Shobson20. And thank you for blocking this troll! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 01:02, 9 July 2020 (EDT)
I also added a speedy deletion template to the sole article Nefioe created to get rid of what is obviously a very poorly-written article that exposes just how little of an education the writer received (lacking punctuation, doesn't capitalize some words, basically one long run-on sentence) in favor of liberal indoctrination at whatever school he attended/probably attends now. Northwest (talk) 02:15, 9 July 2020 (EDT)

Please delete this page and block this troll

Hi RobSmith, can you please delete this page and block the clown who created it? Thank you! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 23:43, 8 July 2020 (EDT)

Hi Rob. Do you think Conservapedia should have its own "Project 100 Million" like Network 211 has

Rob, since we both agree Christians should strive to work by God's Grace that many souls are won for Christ, do you think it would be a good idea for Conservapedia to have its own "100 Million souls for Christ" like Network 211 does? "Project 100 Million: Network211 has a Mission to reach 100 Million for Jesus Christ by 2028 through Internet evangelism." If you agree, I will propose it to Andy. I think we can aim for 100 Million by 2030. It would get others more excited and involved as well in the important and necessary work of winning souls for Christ. The Bible says, he that winneth souls is wise. But we can only do it if Christians agree to work together. We can have our own theological questions, but we can discuss that in the background. Recall that the Bible promises a Crown in Heaven to all who persevere to the end with faith in Christ, and St. Paul the Apostle indicates the jewels on that Crown will be the souls we have won for Christ. We can have a Testimonials page, where people who have come to know and love Jesus Christ Our Lord can share their own personal testimony, and can mention if they came through CP.

Your thoughts? I'm going to ask a few others also, but I thought I would ask you first. Lord Bless, NX NishantXavierFor Christ the King 01:58, 12 July 2020 (EDT)

No. Authenticity is the key. You need the real word of God to impart to non-believers or share between believers, and we just don't have it here. The Word needs to be imparted organically, rather than thru some official program that advertisers one thing and turns out to be a bait and switch. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 08:48, 12 July 2020 (EDT)

Sadly, Anti-Catholic Protestantism has greatly delayed the fulfillment of the Great Commission, and sadly, it continues to. I will have to ask others. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 09:51, 12 July 2020 (EDT)

You need the Word, brother. God's word, not man's. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 09:56, 12 July 2020 (EDT)

Useful Notes about Catholicism

Catholicism thrived in an age when less than 10% of the human population could read and the Scriptures were in a language that most people didn't understand. In that environment, the laity were dependent on leaders to tell them about God and religion but they couldn't read the scriptures for themselves to fact-check the leaders. When you have a situation like that, leaders can easily make stuff up and no one will know the difference. Today, all of Scripture has been translated and everyone can read it for themselves and find things inconsistent with what they were taught like Martin Luther did. Catholics no longer have the institutional power they once had, so they have no choice but to try to deal this from their own interpretation of Scripture which requires a lot of ad hoc reinterpretation and extrapolation. They also argue from history and the "church fathers" but I suggest reading "The Gnostic Origins of Roman Catholicism" by Ken Johnson. It's full of quotes from the church fathers that don't support Catholic doctrine. Among them are notes that Linus, not Peter, was the first Bishop of Rome, that the Apostles did not pass down any kind of special oral tradition, just the scriptures, and that Purgatory is based on a Gnostic heresy. Supposedly, some Protestants read the writings of the church fathers and converted to Catholicism, but many Catholics also read the Bible for themselves and realized it wasn't consistent with the Catholic traditions they had been taught. Shobson20 (talk) 15:03, 14 July 2020 (EDT)

Well said, and that ain't the half of it. Dataclarifier never got the memo that the war on Protestantism is over, and the church needs to walk back a few millennia of bad doctrine. Rome wasn't built in a day, and reform of the Roman Church won't happen in a day. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 15:18, 14 July 2020 (EDT)
And as you so clearly articulate, by the 3rd or 4th century already church leaders, and by this I'm referring to parish priests who could read and understand Latin, were already being instructed to ignore what they were reading from scripture and teach interpretations coming from the central bureaucracy, what we know today as the Vatican Politburo. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 15:28, 14 July 2020 (EDT)

These claims about Catholicism are mistaken, Shobson. It is historically demonstrable, and admitted by many learned Protestant historians, that Saint Peter was the first Pope or Bishop of Rome, and Pope Linus was the second. For more on that, please see: "The succession list of bishops in the apostolic see of Rome of the first two centuries as provided by Schaff (volume 2, page 166) is --

St. Peter (d. 64 or 67) St. Linus (67-76) St. Anacletus (76-88) St. Clement I (88-97) St. Evaristus (97-105) St. Alexander I (105-115) St. Sixtus I (115-125) St. Telesphorus (125-136) St. Hyginus (136-140) St. Pius I (140-155) St. Anicetus (155-166) St. Soter (166-175) St. Eleutherius (175-189) St. Victor I (189-199) "It must in justice be admitted, however, that the list of Roman bishops has by far the preminence in age, completeness, integrity of succession, consistency of doctrine and policy, above every similar catalogue, not excepting those of Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, and Constantinople...." (Schaff, page 166)"

After the martyrdom of Peter and Paul, Linus was the first to receive the episcopate of the church at Rome." -Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History 3.2
"The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Of this Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To him succeeded Anacletus; and after him, in the third place from the apostles, Clement was allotted the bishopric." Irenaeus, Against Heresies 3.3.3 Shobson20 (talk) 10:36, 15 July 2020 (EDT)
I know how you like to argue, so let me anticipate your response by saying this, if Linus was the successor to Peter, Eusebius would have said "Linus succeeded Peter with the episcopate of the church at Rome." Instead, it says he was the "first to receive." The language implies that the episcopate of the church at Rome was only established after Peter and Paul's deaths. Shobson20 (talk) 10:46, 15 July 2020 (EDT)

Hi Rob Smith/Shobson. Would either of you kindly consider participating in this project? Please consider giving a public shoutout to Jesus Christ our King and encouraging others to do the same. The more who come to believe that Jesus Christ is King, the more quickly the Peace of Heaven will come to us all. 07:24, 15 July 2020 (EDT)

Hi Shobson. Yes. St. Linus was the first Pope after the martyrdom of Sts. Peter and Paul. That was in 67 A.D. From 42 A.D. to 67 A.D. St. Peter was the first Pope or Bishop of Rome. This can be abundantly proved from the same Church Fathres you cite including St. Irenaeus and Bp. Eusebius. I will cite St. Jerome: "Saint Jerome relates: "Simon Peter the son of John, from the village of Bethsaida in the province of Galilee, brother of Andrew the apostle, and himself chief of the apostles, after having been bishop of the church of Antioch and having preached to the Dispersion — the believers in circumcision, in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia — pushed on to Rome in the second year of Claudius to overthrow Simon Magus, and held the sacerdotal chair there for twenty-five years until the last, that is the fourteenth, year of Nero. At his hands he received the crown of martyrdom being nailed to the cross with his head towards the ground and his feet raised on high, asserting that he was unworthy to be crucified in the same manner as his Lord. He wrote two epistles which are called Catholic, the second of which, on account of its difference from the first in style, is considered by many not to be by him. Then too the Gospel according to Mark, who was his disciple and interpreter, is ascribed to him. On the other hand, the books, of which one is entitled his Acts, another his Gospel, a third his Preaching, a fourth his Revelation, a fifth his Judgment are rejected as apocryphal."Buried at Rome in the Vatican near the triumphal way he is venerated by the whole world." [8] The second year of Claudius is 42 A.D. and the 14th year of Nero is 67 A.D. St. Peter's 25 year reign as Bishop of Rome was therefore from 42-67 A.D."

Rather than get into a long Patristics argument (which is not my thing) I refer you to this: The guy who made this can be reached here: Shobson20 (talk) 11:45, 15 July 2020 (EDT)

Dealing with papists

When dealing with papists, mention what Jesus said about a good tree producing good fruit and a bad tree producing bad fruit.

It can be argued that the Roman Catholic Church is filled with more corruption that non-Christian religions. Are the Buddhists well-known for their leaders engaging in pedophilia and homosexuality? No, they are not. But the Catholic priests and its leaders are!

Catholic Church = corruption. Wikignome72 (talk) 05:30, 16 July 2020 (EDT)

Is Anti-Catholic name-calling really helpful. Should Catholics refer to Protestants as "heretics"? In fact, we call them as separated Christian brethren. Your claims are mistaken: The Catholic Church is the largest charitable organization on the planet, She has Orphanages, Hospitals, Charities, Soup Kitchens etc on every continent and most every country on the planet. That is Her teaching and it is what the great Saints of the Church like St. Francis of Assisi, St. Vincent De Paul and Mother St. Theresa of Calcutta beside countless others have lived by.

As for bad eggs, who don't determine what a Church is and teaches - even among the many various Protestant denominations, there is a significant percentage, if you want to go there. For more on that, "Finally, in the authoritative work by Penn State professor Philip Jenkins, Pedophiles and Priests, it was determined that between .2 and 1.7 percent of priests are pedophiles. The figure among the Protestant clergy ranges between 2 and 3 percent.[xxii]"

But all this is a distraction from the real issue: Catholic Chrisitianity is the Faith taught by God Himself and the Catholic Church is the Church founded by God Himself 2000 years ago. After the unsuccessful attempts to show St. Linus was the first Pope of the Catholic Church, we must ask why it is historically demnonstrable that Protestantism began 1500 years after the Lord and the Apostles. And Martin Luther and his friends were the first members of that new faith. The true Catholic and Apostolic Church, the Church that goes back to the writers of the Bible, is older than that. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 08:38, 16 July 2020 (EDT)

Regarding your statement about about Catholic orphanages and charity: "Church leaders and government watchdogs covered up 'endemic' and 'ritualised' abuse of thousands of children in Roman Catholic schools and orphanages in the Irish Republic, a shocking report revealed yesterday."[7]
If abusing kids in orphanages qualifies you for being charitable, then this is a sad state of affairs.Conservative (talk) 15:39, 16 July 2020 (EDT)
As I laid out before, the doctrines of the Catholic Church thrived in a culture of biblical ignorance (edit: and illiteracy) and Protestantism merely came about once people were able to actually read the bible for themselves and realize that many of the things in the Bible were not consistent with what they were being taught by their leaders, for example, when Martin Luther read Romans 2:28 "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law." he realized it went against the faith and works doctrine that he was being taught. And before you say "ceremonial law," Romans 2:21 says "you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal?" and 22 says "You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?" This indicates that it is the moral law, not ceremonial law. Before you say "James 2:24" Here: [8] And here's the answer to all the "prooftexts" about Baptism: [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] Even today, Catholics are leaving the Catholic Church when they study the Bible for themselves. And not just lay-Catholics, but Priests and Nuns. Shobson20 (talk) 12:39, 16 July 2020 (EDT)
Here's the problem with your argument, Wikignome72: just because some people in the Catholic Church have been involved in awful behaviors does not mean that the Church as a whole is corrupt. If you see here, you'll read that sex abuse isn't somehow unique to Catholic clergy. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 11:00, 16 July 2020 (EDT)
Sex abuse scandals are the least of Catholicism's historical problems. [16] And before you bring up things that the Protestant churches have done, keep in mind that Protestants have no trouble acknowledging the wrong done in the name of God. They have no trouble acknowledging Martin Luther's anti-semitism. We don't believe that the Apostles passed on their special gifts to their successors, and we don't think that present-day church leaders have any kind of Divine Inspiration, we think that they are fallible men who can be wrong, and we don't idolize them the way Catholics idolize their saints. Here's a Lutheran Pastor summing up the Pope's unbiblical declarations (and the damage control): [17] Here's Catholics watching and not getting it: [18] And here's someone who does get it: [19] But since the Catholic Church codified the doctrine of Papal infallibility at Vatican I in 1870, they can't question him and have to do these mental gymnastics. Shobson20 (talk) 12:11, 16 July 2020 (EDT)
IMO, focusing on the Word of God will bring out truth. Advocates for the Roman Church are up front about it: they do not accept the Word of God as the final authority and add such things as "Apostolic tradition", encyclicals, communiques out of creed conventions, etc.
God is not democratic; God never empowered a committee to vote upon who will be Peter's successor, what sin is, what the Word of God is, etc. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 12:33, 16 July 2020 (EDT)
As an 8 year old altar boy, I remember asking the priest after a reading from Hebrews, "What does that mean, we are all priests?" and realized in short order even he didn't know. You would think someone who dedicated his life, with extra education and vows could answer a simple bible question. Evidently they still don't teach the Bible in Catholic seminary. All the teach is Roman Catholic apologetics -- which absolutely is not, and has nothing to do with, the Word of God. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 12:54, 16 July 2020 (EDT)
Liberal Protestantism, which is unbibiblical Protestantism, is bad too. It is heretical.
On the other hand, I have been going to conservative Protestant churches for a lot of years and not once have I heard a case of pedophilia. But the same is not true of the Catholic churches in my area. The diocese is my area has gone into bankruptcy due to all its pedophilia cases.
I am an ex-catholic who was always a closet Protestant. Even as a Catholic, I thought the Catholic Church focused too much on Mary and the Catholic saints. I got called into the monsenior's office and he asked me why my knowledge of Mary and the saints was so poor. I chose to remain silent about this matter rather than tell him what I thought. This was probably one of the rare occasions I kept silent about my dissenting opinions!
The Catholic church is a corrupt joke. Its corruptness is long standing, but in the last 40 years its corruptness has gone to a whole new stratospheric level. Conservative (talk) 12:58, 16 July 2020 (EDT)
(reply to Shobson20) Before you continue going about on some anti-Catholic antagonism, maybe you should recognize the sin of envy; remember this? Oh, and not to mention here as well. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 14:04, 16 July 2020 (EDT)
You talk about "anti-Catholic antagonism" but this whole thing was actually started by Dataclarifier being an over-zealous Catholic. Northwest is Catholic too, and he's been here since 2012, but he hasn't gotten involved in any Catholic vs Protestant arguments. I've been mostly staying out of this and letting RobSmith deal with the now three Catholic Zealots here. In my experience, Catholics are always the ones who start arguments with Protestants. This is Conservapedia, not Catholicopdeia, and no matter how much you might think you're right, both sides have to accept the fact that their position is not going to be the dominant position here. Shobson20 (talk) 16:08, 16 July 2020 (EDT)
Good points. Me personally, I am neither Roman Catholic nor Protestant. I am Christian. I owe my early interest in God's Word to hearing it read in Roman Catholic masses, testifying to the truth of God's word, faith cometh by hearing. But in 8 years of Catholic religion classes and catechism, I never once studied the Bible. In fact, I was warned away from it. And personally, I find it offensive to be constantly accused of being a Protestant. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 16:48, 16 July 2020 (EDT)
I didn't leave the catholic and universal church of Jews and gentiles, the Roman Catholic church left me - before I was born. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 16:48, 16 July 2020 (EDT)
And the fact there are virtually no Jews today who are members of the Roman church questions whether the the Roman church even has a claim on calling itself 'Catholic'. Ichabod - the glory has departed. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 17:03, 16 July 2020 (EDT)
You wouldn't expect Jews to become Catholic since the Catholic Church has been historically so anti-Semitic (having a "Jews killed Jesus" mentality). Most of the issues you've been discussing have been argued by much more qualified people for years. The fact that you weren't taught the Bible would explain why Catholics always argue from history and tradition and only argue from the Bible when the Bible is used against them. The Bible is, and always will be the primary source, against which all else, including the "church fathers" will be judged. This is what Sola Scriptura really means. It could probably be better summarized as "scripture first." Another claptrap I've seen Catholics get stuck on is an interpretation of certain Bible verses that depends on a pre-conceived Catholic idea read into the scripture such as 1 Corinthians 3:13 being a reference to Purgatory. Since more qualified people have been debating this topic, maybe you should start trying to wind this down. It's gone on longer than it should and has spilled over into to too many talk pages. I was hoping that by talking on your talk page I could talk to you without the Catholic zealots getting involved, but clearly that is not the case. Shobson20 (talk) 17:45, 16 July 2020 (EDT)
The word "catholic" means Jew and gentile, or universal. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. But the Roman church has become strictly a gentile church with its anti-Semitism. And it doesn't even meet the definition of "called out ones" to be separate from the world. It rejects the finished work of Christ on the cross. It rejects the Word of God for doctrines of men. It's like Voltaire's description of the Millennial Kingdom or Tausand Jahre Reich: It is neither holy, nor Roman, nor catholic, nor a body of called of ones (saints). RobSTrump 2Q2Q 18:18, 16 July 2020 (EDT)
I've had this debate with Roman Catholics since I left the church 50 odd years ago. I say, "the Catholic church does not believe in the Bible". I usually get one of two response. The first is an honest admission that it is true and has been replaced by a Magisterium because the ancient texts are incomprehensible, outdated, and not relevant to the modern era, or secondly a claim that they do believe in the bible, with additional texts just like Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses have (here's a theory: Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses were inspired by the success the Roman Catholic Church - you can have your sin and be religious too). RobSTrump 2Q2Q 18:35, 16 July 2020 (EDT)
Bottomline: I have to speak harshly sometimes cause when I speak in the spiritual language of scripture, they just don't hear it. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 21:36, 16 July 2020 (EDT)
Look at the date on this: [20] I put in a request that long ago and Andy never responded. This has been the story of my life. I've always had to raise my voice to get attention. It's highly unlikely that Andy would have noticed if I hadn't made some more noise. Put yourself in my shoes, how would you feel being ignored for 7 months, and seeing others get preferential treatment over you? Before you judge anyone, put yourself in their perspective. Preferential treatment is as wrong as envy. Shobson20 (talk) 14:53, 16 July 2020 (EDT)
According to here, you haven't made more than 1,000 edits despite having been on this site longer than I have. And looking at your contributions here, you haven't made more than 150 edits in the past seven months. And even then, most of it were either reverting vandalism or on essays. So just what exactly do you mean by putting myself in your perspective? For the past months, I worked on and created key content pages. You? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 15:16, 16 July 2020 (EDT)
I've created several original essays that promote conservatism, and Andy doesn't differentiate between essay and mainspace editing when it comes to meaningful contributions to this site. I work mostly on essays because the Manual of Style has more leeway. Shobson20 (talk) 20:13, 16 July 2020 (EDT)
Preferential treatment would be the case only if you worked as hard as NishantXavier and I did and still didn't get promoted, though the fact was that we had made more contributions over the last few months. Also, about "being ignored", some of my posts on Talk:Main Page received no responses from other editors. Oh, and no one else participated in this debate I started. I was rather disappointed, and just tried keeping it to myself without complaining about it. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 15:25, 16 July 2020 (EDT)
The essays that I created also got no contributions from other editors except for 1990sguy. Shobson20 (talk) 20:13, 16 July 2020 (EDT)
That's an interesting question. Perhaps it's the way you framed the debate. It is for the people of Maine to decide if Susan Collins deserves re-election. Most conservative voters and even others resent outsiders interfering in their elections. Outsiders just aren't familiar enough with Maine politics to comment. While there is place for outsiders to comment on the job elected officials from other states are doing, IMO the way you frame the debate isn't effective. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 15:43, 16 July 2020 (EDT)
To ask the people of 49 other states with no say in the outcome if Susan Collins deserves re-election ignores the central issue in question - the issues that matter to the people of Maine. The way the discussion and debate is framed smacks of liberalism - central planning, big government, ignoring local issues, promotion of a central big government mindset and ideology that ignores the issues of importance to states. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 15:53, 16 July 2020 (EDT)
It's no different than listening to the BBC and The Guardian trash Trump. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 15:56, 16 July 2020 (EDT)

The esoteric nature of Roman church doctrine

(ec) To Nishant: This may not be the place to raise this, but there is a long standing debate among some Bible students if what Paul references as people who are yet carnal are Christians at all. They are not. You cannot be carnally minded and be born of the spirit at the same time A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. Nishant, you have been asked several times about the spiritual life of a believer, and can only give answers related to carnality and worldliness. Your "separated brethren" answer is a joke; what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? You just dig yourself a deeper hole with your reliance on Roman Church doctrine rather than the Word of God.
As Isaiah the prophet said, Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils.
[I post this here because it directly relates to the discussion we are having on 1 Corinthians 3:13-14 elsewhere.] RobSTrump 2Q2Q

These verses describe the problems with Roman church doctrine:

14 But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. 15 Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. 16 But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.

How do we lift the veil? Ye must have the mind of Christ. Datclarifier denies that Christian laity have access to the mind of Christ, and must accept the dictates of an esoteric Magisterium.

  • Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils
  • teaching for doctrines the commandments of men
  • where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

RobSTrump 2Q2Q 14:42, 16 July 2020 (EDT)

What Happened to You?

Did someone in the Catholic Church really hurt you? Did you simply read the Bible and find that it didn't support the Catholic doctrines you were raised on? Or was there something else? Shobson20 (talk) 02:54, 18 July 2020 (EDT)

In parochial school I heard the word read everyday at mass for 8 years, and it didn't square up with what we were taught in catechism and religion class. The priests and nuns couldn't resolve the questions where the Roman Church and bible seemed to be in direct conflict. I wasn't alone in this - I have three brothers and numerous friends who also were confused by the contradictions. In those days Catholic law forbade independent reading of the scripture.
We used to joke about the Assumption of Mary, that Church law and church tradition "assumed" Mary was levitated cause it appears nowhere in the Bible. Image the shock years later when you discover that the joke is literally true. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 08:10, 18 July 2020 (EDT)

Is there a way to contact you privately?

I wish to find a means of contacting you without any other voices listening. I have DavidB4's email, you could tell him to send contact info. Shobson20 (talk) 14:22, 18 July 2020 (EDT)

Re: Catholic vs. Protestant debates on talk pages

RobSmith, I know you do your best to bring in web traffic which Conservapedians appreciate.

I have a small request.

Conservapedia has debate pages. For example, here is a debate page: Debate:Are alcohol, marijuana, and nicotine gateway drugs?.

Having a debate on a specific issue, would make the debate exchanges more organized and debates with debate titles on the page would be more organized.

I would also suggest setting up debate guidelines. Because right now the back and forth between the Protestants and Catholics is getting repetitive. And because it is on talk pages, it tends not to be very organized.

What I see now is a whole bunch of repetitive and poorly organized material on talk pages dealing with Catholic vs. Protestant issues that is not bringing web traffic.

If you are going to have debates, for the sake of Conservapedia readers, have them on debate pages. Conservative (talk) 14:23, 18 July 2020 (EDT)

User: Dataclarifier, User: NishantXavier and User:IndependentSkeptic

Dataclarifier was acting in an unreasonable way - especially near the end of his tenure. It was impossible to work out having a readable and objective article on topics dealing with Protestant vs. Catholic issues. If Wikipedia can work out Protestant vs. Catholic issues on a number of topics, it can be done. But it was impossible to do this with Dataclarifier as he often took a "my way or the highway" approach near the end of his tenure at Conservapedia. Dataclarifier set off this whole Protestant vs. Catholic conflict at Conservapedia. Frankly, it never had to occur. Debate pages and working out having objective pages on matters dealing with Protestantism vs. Catholicism issues would have been much better.

I don't know enough about the posts of User: NishantXavier and User:IndependentSkeptic to comment intelligently on these editors. Frankly, because the material was not on debate pages, I decided that I was not going to read a lot of poorly organized and repetitive material.Conservative (talk) 14:54, 18 July 2020 (EDT)

Suffice to say, although they are trying to lay all of the blame on RobS and me, they've done plenty of their own pushing and had a "my way or the highway" attitude just like Dataclarifier. I've been trying to distance myself from this debate, but still want to communicate with RobS. Off of CP, prefereably. Shobson20 (talk) 15:00, 18 July 2020 (EDT)
  • I am of Paul, I am of Apollos. Are ye not carnal?
I've said so from the beginning I am not a Protestant and am not interested in Protestant vs. Catholic issues. I'd like to see the Roman church reform itself, if such a thing were possible without God's intervention. Yet I'm constantly attacked with anti-Protestant vitriol (just like the white BLM protesters calling black cops racist, if that makes any sense. People are just brainwashed with Satanic/Marxist nonsense and dig in their heels). RobSTrump 2Q2Q 15:07, 18 July 2020 (EDT)
I don't know who came up with the Conservapedia debate pages concept. I suspect it may have been Andy Schlafly who is the owner of Conservapedia. If so, this is definitely one of the things that Andy Schlafly got right. Debate pages look far more encyclopedic and they tend to be more intellectual than a bunch of unorganized material and repetitive material on talk pages. Conservative (talk) 15:11, 18 July 2020 (EDT)
RobSmith, the only thing I am asking is that the issue is resolved on debate pages. In addition, things can be worked on on the relevant talk pages of articles dealing with doctrinal issues (for example, material on infant baptism topic can be put on that page or its talk page. Same thing with other issues such as "Papal infallibility", etc.).
Asking that these exchanges be done in a more organized way is not an unreasonable request. I am just being an advocate for the wiki's readers. Readers want material to be organized/relevant.Conservative (talk) 15:17, 18 July 2020 (EDT)
Look at User talk:Dataclarifier. It has over 310,000 hits, making it one of the top 50 all time trafficed pages (not counted in Popular pages @ Special pages, incidentally). My own talk page has risen probably 27,000 hits in the just the past few weeks, and NS' comparably. So there a big following out there evidently.
Moving these discussions to Debate project pages would count in the Popular pages, but they'd still probably appear as the same disehevelled messes they are on User pages. Then again, the viewing public evidently likes it that way. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 15:22, 18 July 2020 (EDT)
(reply to Conservative) Ah yes, of course it's Dataclarifier's fault, somehow. He was "acting in an unreasonable way". If that's going too far, then what about zealously spewing anti-Catholic sentiment (see here)? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! 16:19, 18 July 2020 (EDT)
Hmm, no reply yet. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! 16:39, 18 July 2020 (EDT)
My 2 cents: I've declared from the beginning my only interest is in discussing the Word of God PERIOD When I discuss the Word of God, I get accused by people who call themselves Roman Catholics of (a) Protestantism (of which I am not) and (b) anti-Catholicism (of which I could care less if the persons making the accusations reject scripture. They say in one breath, "Catholics accept scripture", and in this next breathe refute and deny scripture. They don't want to discuss bible; they want to have a Catholic v. Protestant food fight. I'm ill equipped for such a debate cause I'm not Protestant and never studied Protestantism. I know way more about Roman Catholic doctrine and Biblical doctrine, and particularly where the two intersect and where there is a divergence. But I am constantly lied to by these supposed Roman Catholic defenders who claim the Roman church follows biblical doctrine, yet know nothing of the Bible and are fully indoctrinated with Roman Catholic doctrine whose foundational precepts, if you listened to them, is anti-Protestant and anti-Bible). RobSTrump 2Q2Q 16:51, 18 July 2020 (EDT)
RobSmith, there are 3 branches of Christianity: Protestantism, Eastern Orthodox and Catholicism. You do not identify as a Protestant, but you are a Protestant (I know you are definitely not a Catholic or Eastern Orthodox). Conservative (talk) 16:55, 18 July 2020 (EDT)
I'm a small "c" catholic who has been blessed with many Protestant friends and their fellowship, as well as Roman Catholics.
More than a week ago I asked Nishant a simple question which could resolve all of this - in response to his posting that the Holy Spirit is given at baptism I ask for a scriptural cite. Still waiting. DC and I/S have made similar claims and have ignored the same request. Yet all three pile on more and more drivel upon drivel, either attacking their imaginary foes, or more bogus claims about the Word of God. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 16:59, 18 July 2020 (EDT)
Liberaltears, you have to draw the line somewhere. And lately as far as the Catholic Church, the sheer volume of pedophilia, homosexuality and Vatican bank/financial scandals is overwhelming. The diocese in my area had to declare bankrupty. Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade. The Catholic Church is a den of iniquity. Conservative (talk) 17:01, 18 July 2020 (EDT)
It's what happens when the Word of God is abandoned in favor of doctrines of men. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 17:05, 18 July 2020 (EDT)
It's obvious in listening and talking to some of these users: their loyalty is not of God. Their love is not for God. Their loyalty and love is toward church. And this church is puffed up in its pride. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 17:05, 18 July 2020 (EDT)

Guys, just honor my reasonable request to take things to debate pages. There is nothing unreasonable about my request.

As far as Dataqualifier's talk page having a big view count, it was due to the massive amount of times it appeared in the "recent changes" log.

If you bring your material to debate pages, it will be more organized, less repetitive and it will also garner web traffic because title pages of web pages are more search engine friendly.Conservative (talk) 17:07, 18 July 2020 (EDT)

Wow, you're still going about on this talk page to tell us that we should be leaving here to debate somewhere else (🤣). And if are focused on attracting readers in terms of our pages showing up on search engines, then what about making ads to put on YouTube, as I mentioned here? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! 17:13, 18 July 2020 (EDT)
It's funny whenever I spot the inconsistencies of the Catholic-baiters here. Conservative spams messages on user talk pages telling us to move discussions to debate pages while continuing to talk here. And over here yesterday, RobSmith accuses me of wanting to change the subject while changing to subject to focusing on Dataclarifier.
🤣🤣🤣LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! 17:28, 18 July 2020 (EDT)
The point I made was to the bible and Christian doctrine; your retort was to make it personal about me, thus changing the subject. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 17:35, 18 July 2020 (EDT)
My point is that you accused me of trying to change the subject, while you tried to change the subject. And now you're skipping over that point. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! 17:38, 18 July 2020 (EDT)
My point is judge not lest ye be judged; rather than hear, you became defensive and accused me of something or other RobSTrump 2Q2Q 17:46, 18 July 2020 (EDT)
And now you still choose to continue dodging by point in highlighting your inconsistency for that instance.
🤣🤣🤣LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! 17:52, 18 July 2020 (EDT)
Not really. I thought accusing someone else of sin and holding it against them publicly was inappropriate. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 18:14, 18 July 2020 (EDT)


My main criticism is that these Protestant vs. Catholic exchanges are not on talk page articles relevant to the topic. They are not on debate pages. They are on User talk pages which is the worst places for these exchanges to take place.

When these exchanges take place on user talk pages, they tend to be unorganized, repetitive and "no holds barred". There are no rules or conventions when it comes to user talk pages. But article talk pages tend to be more topically relevant and organized. Debate pages tend to also be more organized and less repetitive. Conservative (talk) 17:21, 18 July 2020 (EDT

What a joke. You want to debate these "proofs" here? What if I created a Debate page, "5 Proofs the Roman Catholic Church is the Synagogue of Satan" ? Do you honestly think anyone would a have a prayer winning that debate? RobSTrump 2Q2Q 17:31, 18 July 2020 (EDT)

Debate page formatting

Please take a look at this recent debate: Debate:Does the Catholic Church have the biblical authority of Christ Himself to preach and to teach the truth forever?.

The title of the debate page is the proposition being debated.

You will notice that there is a yes/no section.

This is how debates are set up. One side takes the affirmative position and the other side takes the negative position.

Please set up your debate like this.

When you have the debate take place on the talk page, these unfortunate things happen:

1. Many people do not read talk pages. This is especially true of non-wiki users. So the whole purpose of the debate is rendered useless when people do not go to the talk pages.

2. The search engines prefer long form content. When the debate page is broken up with a large portion of it being on the talk page, the content is far less likely to be found. Therefore, there is less web traffic to Conservapedia.

I hope this makes sense to you. I do want the debates to be useful to people. And having the proper formatting of the debate page will help cause this to happen.Conservative (talk) 23:51, 19 July 2020 (EDT)

Your recent post on my talk page

Hi RobSmith, I saw your post on my talk page here saying that I "owe" you an apology. Firstly, I can't edit my own talk page because Conservative locked it to "edit=sysop"; secondly, I don't recall lying about you (please provide a diff); thirdly, I got over your lies/smears against me today (you spent the entire day with strawman attacks) and didn't bother demanding an apology, because I know that I'm partially responsible for the dispute and won't unjustly blame others. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Tuesday, 00:53, 21 July 2020 (EDT)

I "intentionally" removed mainspace content about pedo priests and had the unmitigated gall to discuss the problems with it on the talk page, which you ignored. You reinserted that garbage noting that I "wrongfully" removed it. Then you flame warred on a new page calling it "misconduct" and spread your lies to Karajou's talk page.
You need the Word of God, brother. Read Psalm 32. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 01:28, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
Again, I don't recall outright lying. To be fair, I'll admit I could've been better. That doesn't excuse your false attacks/smears based on strawmans, though I'll let it pass, given that I have had far worse problems in life before to be angry over. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Tuesday, 01:39, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
I covered the sins of pedo priests - and you call me an anti-Catholic zealot. You need to check your own sense of justice and morality. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 02:01, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
Let me give you a short Bible lesson. In King James, italicized words do not appear in the original. Psalm 32:1 reads without the italics
  • Blessed - transgression - forgiven - sin - covered.
It's not the transgression that is blessed, it's the man whose transgression is forgiven. In these five words you have the gospel. Who blessed the pedo priests and covered their sins in that article? I did. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 02:17, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
Speaking of Scripture and Bible lessons, I don't think God's pleased to see that you outright posted the s-word on the sewer rat website. I'm just curious, why do you intend on showing your true self there in bashing good users here while taking things out of context to make the same strawman attacks over and over? You should know that the phrase, when in its entirety, is not a justification of pedophilia. I'm not sure why I even have to repeat this over and over just so you double down on the same logical fallacy. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Tuesday, 13:07, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
Speaking of the Conservative Bible Project, let me translate Jesus' words for you, If the salt looses its savor, it ain't fit for the s**tpile. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 14:12, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
Don't post uncensored profanity; this is a violation of the 3rd CP commandment. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Tuesday, 14:31, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
This isn't the first time you made a strawman attack. Back here, you somewhat implied (if not outright asserted) that I could've been a DNC hack despite the fact that I have continuously been a good editor here for months. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Tuesday, 13:10, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
If you keep defending pedophilia, how do we know you're not a DNC hack? RobSTrump 2Q2Q 14:15, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
You still have not come to terms with the fact that you not only defended pedophilia with a lame whataboutism, you twisted the Word of God to do so. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 14:26, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
I made it clear that I didn't defend pedophilia. The topic was anti-Catholic hypocrisy, and you clearly exploited the somewhat vague structuring of the phrase, taking it out of context by not quoting the last part. What you're doing right now is just like what many did back in 2012 to Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock over phrases misinterpreted and taken out of context. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Tuesday, 14:31, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
You're the one engaging in whataboutism by misconstruing the entire context; no wonder you only quoted the part that fit your attacks. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Tuesday, 14:34, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
I've made myself more clear that I should've; please don't engage in such nasty and vile behavior in the future. You're lucky I'm not one to get angry at all over spats like this. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Tuesday, 14:36, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
The topic was not anti-Catholic hypocrisy. The topic was Cafeteria Christianity (a rather non-scriptural concept that opens the way for this kind of garbage). What did you think would happen when you ignored the discussion page and edit warred and started a flame war? Worse yet, as you've done right here, you use discussion page diffs to attack users rather than solve problems, as discussion pages are intended? RobSTrump 2Q2Q 14:42, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
The topic for that specific phrase was anti-Catholic hypocrisy. And are you actually trying to justify your smears against me on the basis that I didn't expect it? How biblical of you. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Tuesday, 14:45, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
It was garbage that did not belong in mainspace in that article. If you had a problem with that, the talk page is the place to address it. You think you are too good for that?
Then this garbage. You make no distinction between mainspace contributions and discussions. Who do you think you are? RobSTrump 2Q2Q 14:50, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
How biblical of me? Your biblical defense of pedophilia remains disgusting. Don't get smart with me. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 14:57, 21 July 2020 (EDT)

How do you know Rob's true self? Your attacks sound just like DataClarifier's. Like I said, you work in tandem. VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 13:54, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
As I said, on the sewer rat site, RobSmith used the s-word and harshly attacked CP users here. And what I'm saying is true, if you at all the evidence in its full context. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Tuesday, 14:05, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
Users plural my butt. I think what you did yesterday is disgusting. And you're continuing it today. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 14:17, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
And I can't help but notice that the "good users" are always the same four users. Imagine that! Also you are a copycat. "Doubles down on" was my phrase that you took, and I'm not pleased that you dared to use it in the same context as one where you are badgering Rob. VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 14:10, 21 July 2020 (EDT)

At the present time, it seems Liberaltears and RobSmith/VargasMilan are not going to be best friends due to religious differences. I suggest taking the "Northern Ireland approach" and just agree to disagree without being disagreeable.Conservative (talk) 15:53, 21 July 2020 (EDT)

Good idea. Thanks. I need to season my speech with a little more salt. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 16:13, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
Good. There are two editors of the User: Conservative account. The other person is largely a Catholic, but he agrees with many Protestant things. He said that Catholic vs. Protestant battles would probably be pointless at Conservapedia. The best solution is to have articles relating to Catholicism be as neutral/objective as possible. Like an ideal encyclopedia. And to work things out peaceably on the talk pages of the articles. Back and forth squabbling on User talk pages is unproductive.Conservative (talk) 21:46, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
I agree. It could best be done through Templates, but I don't know how to create them. It's virtually impossible to discuss bible with the current batch of users. They have no interest. All they push is "Great Commission", Purgatory, and Infant baptism. None can tell what salvation is. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 22:37, 21 July 2020 (EDT)

Scripture Citing

RobS, I may have found the Bible verses that say the Holy Spirit enters in when you are baptized:

2 Corinthians 1:21-22: Remember it is God himself who assures us all, and you, of our standing in Christ, and has anointed us, marking us with his seal and giving us the pledge, the Spirit, that we carry in our hearts.

VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 04:32, 21 July 2020 (EDT)

Anointing isn't baptism, even in Roman tradition.
The big problem Roman Catholic laity has is, church teachers do not teach the two baptisms, John's baptism or water baptism, and Jesus' baptism or spirit baptism.
Then listening to these guys you see that the indwelling holy Spirit is collectively held by the Church. Or the mind of Christ is only possessed by the church bosses, the Magisterium. See Dataclarifier here, for example:
"only properly interpreted and understood according to the mind of Christ by the leaders of the magisterium" [21]
If you can't get baptized in the spirit or possess the mind of Christ, and are consigned to a life of carnality, what's the point in being a member? RobSTrump 2Q2Q 05:04, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
Hypothesis: Of course we know Final Anointing, but why do they call it that? I was curious a long time ago and learned that Roman Catholic teaching was that we are "anointed" for various spiritual tasks and advancement in responsibilities throughout our lives when we answer what we feel is God's call to us. That could apply, but is not exclusive to, every sacrament.
But if some "anointings" fit the profile the Holy Apostle states better than others, baptism seems especially to refer to Jesus Christ "marking us with his seal"; it's not "reinforcing the mark of his seal".
I'm going to stop here and answer what you said about the two kinds of baptism; you don't know the half of it. Not only is it the Catholic doctrine to teach the two baptisms, but in fact, whether the teachers are aware of it or not, it goes further by saying that there is a third valid one: a baptism of blood for martyrs, whether or not they receive a water baptism. Hebrews 6:2 lists the basics of Christian teachings and includes
instructions about the different kinds of baptism, about the laying on of hands, about the resurrection of the dead, and our sentence in eternity.
VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 10:10, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
This same doctrine also must hold account that Christ's Passion transformed the baptism of repentance, because it is still allowed as an irregular baptism as prefigured in Isaiah 4:4:
"If the Lord shall wash away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall wash away the blood of Jerusalem out of the midst thereof, by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning."
VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 10:28, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
Maybe you noticed the opposites don't match up entirely: the baptism of repentance requires no water, because it presupposes you can't get to a church, and spirit baptism does require water (unless a delay can't be avoided and the delay not having to do with a hatred of religion), it being a sacrament. VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 10:49, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
Baptism, or water baptism, is all related to the law of the leper starting about Leviticus 23. How a leper is set apart from the congregation for a period of cleansing. The high priest, or Christ figure, would have to come out of the camp or gate, risk his own life, and inspect them for re-admission to the community (it's interesting how this is all personnel and individual, yet Roman church doctrine will deny the Holy Spirit or spirit baptism to the individual). Even by the time of John the Baptist, water baptism was merely symbolic and the people understood it as such. God uses leprosy to each us about sin and the need for cleansing. Although lepers still existed, the disease itself wasn't as big a problem among congregants as it was when the law was first laid out. The people did learn over time. How do we know this? Jesus asks, What did you go out in the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind? It wasn't just lepers kicked out of the city that John the Baptist ministered to, it was townsfolk voluntarily seeking repentance, and John was a revival preacher in the wilderness. The people went to hear him preach, and his water baptism was merely symbolic of repentance and renewal. Faith cometh by hearing. God has chosen the foolishness of preaching. There never was any "Abracadabra, you are clean" with John's baptism; it was always just a ritual ceremony. Water baptism doesn't write God's word on your heart. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 12:08, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
"I will pour upon you clean water, and you shall be cleansed from all your filthiness." (Ezekiel 36:25)
Let me try to thread this needle.
If one repents with sincerity and takes up the yoke of doing what God requires, those preparatory purifying actions determine that we know the performance of the symbolic acts with the element of water, in the presence of the congregation (because the symbols are chosen to have a corresponding object founded in the soul in addition to binding together believers of all stations), will also grant a spiritual power among the many powers promised by the prophets, under God, to one's soul because one has demonstrated a capacity to receive it.
I don't know if it's a word, but it is a character, and it's not the same as grace. VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 13:49, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
I think the Ezekiel cite is similar to Jesus' out of your belly will flow living waters. The word cleanses us, and is often referred to as water. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 17:05, 21 July 2020 (EDT)

Liberaltears keeps picking at scabs and my patience has run out

I stopped talking about edit rights when Andy responded to me, and he keeps bringing it up. We all agreed to move the Catholic vs. Protestant discussion to the debate page like User:Conservative recommended and made it more civil, yet he's still whining about Catholics being "persecuted" on this site. He keeps putting molehills under a magnifying glass and ignoring the mountains behind him. Shobson20 (talk) 16:54, 23 July 2020 (EDT)

What an idiot. He worships the church more than God. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 17:11, 23 July 2020 (EDT)
Don't say things like that, it will just fuel his persecution complex even more. You've got to stop picking at scabs too. I put up with him for a long time because in between his accusations, he was making contributions to this site. I think we just need to make it clear that we will not tolerate him pushing our buttons anymore. Shobson20 (talk) 17:17, 23 July 2020 (EDT)
Liberaltears, if you're reading this, note that I left NishantXavier's talk page a long time ago, I'm out of that. Shobson20 (talk) 17:19, 23 July 2020 (EDT)
Fair enough. You got a point. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 17:25, 23 July 2020 (EDT)
And he's got it backwards anyways. Protestants are the conservative originalists and strict constructionists with their focus on the bible, and Roman Catholics are liberals with their evolving doctrine and "developing tradition". RobSTrump 2Q2Q 17:36, 23 July 2020 (EDT)
Don't talk about that here, you've said plenty on the debate page. We don't need to go over this again. Shobson20 (talk) 17:38, 23 July 2020 (EDT)

Andy foresaw this matter. Andy said a User's talk page is his castle. If Liberaltears tries to bait you, you can remind him to take things to a debate page. If that doesn't work, simply revert what he puts on your talk page because it is your castle. If that doesn't work, block him for a short period. If that doesn't work, made the blocks longer and longer.

And don't bait Libereraltears on his talk pages if you feel angry.

Debate pages and reverting things on your talk pages if it is trollish, etc. is the key to resolving this matter. Blocking if necessary, but don't have the blocking be heavy-handed.

As far as Conservapedia articles which relate to Catholicism, try to have the articles be as objective as possible and keep the talk page comments objective and civil. If Wikipedians can manage the Catholicism vs. non-Catholicism issue, Conservapedia should be able to also. My guess is that while Wikipedia isn't perfectly neutral in the Protestant vs. Catholicism issue (favoritism is probably shown to pro-evolution Catholics on the creation vs. evolution issue for example. By the way, not all Catholics are evolutionists) at least Wikipedia isn't like Northern Ireland during "The Troubles".Conservative (talk) 20:58, 23 July 2020 (EDT)

Since I blocked him for 3 days it's been very quiet, contrary to the way Liberaltears has been trying to spin it, he's been the rabble-rouser. Even NishantXavier and IndependentSkeptic haven't been as noisy as he is. Liberaltears contributes to this site, so it would be a shame to get rid of him, but his trolling and incivility cannot be tolerated anymore. He also really needs to see the log in his own eye and stop pointing at specks in other people's eyes (Matthew 7:3). Shobson20 (talk) 21:12, 23 July 2020 (EDT)
I've been working on the Atonement page. If you guys have any knowledge of this subject I'd appreciate you giving it a once-over.
Dataclarifier expanded it considerably, and surprisingly it's quite good. He did however take one sentence of mine from when it was a three sentence stub, change one word, and turned it into an attack page on Martin Luther and Protestantism. It's since been fixed, but I suspect Nishant or somebody will try to explain how Roman Catholics really do believe in Christ as our atonement, despite Purgatory. If that happens, it should go into another one of their long-winded rambles with pious sounding rhetoric in a separate section, but leaving the contribs made by Dataclarifier intact in the full section in the body of the article.
If you're interested, use the histories to see how Dataclarifier subtly inserts non-scriptural doctrine into biblical subjects. It's a good case study/ RobSTrump 2Q2Q 22:18, 23 July 2020 (EDT)

Copy of a post I made on NishantXavier's talk page

Re: Catholic Ecumenism and the Re-Union of Christendom

Gentlemen, please take this issue to a debate page. Stop going back and forth on a talk page in an undisciplined manner. That is not going to help anyone. Make your cases on a debate page in an organized manner that puts forth your best arguments in a methodical way.

User:NishantXavier, stop making posts on your talk page meant to draw RobS into an argument. Instead, set up a debate page and make your arguments. Have a "Yes" section and a "No" section so each of you can make your best arguments.

It would have been so simple to set up a debate page entitled: Debate: Is the Catholic ecumenical movement valid?

Thank you ahead of time for your cooperation. I hope this is the last time I make my reasonable request. I am a very patient person, but I am not going to repeat myself over and over when I made my reasonable request clear.

I don't want to block you, but if you persists on trying to draw RobSmith into no holds barred "debates" where people don't have to support their positions, I will do it.

Suggestion to RobSmith: Don't respond to User: NishantXavier's posts on his talk page that are designed to be no hold barred "debates" where people don't have to support their positions.Conservative (talk) 00:13, 24 July 2020 (EDT)


You can use this website: User:Punish China


We're not debating, we're discussing and hammering out the wording for the Proposition for the Debate on Magisterial infallibility. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 12:11, 2 August 2020 (EDT)
I think User:Conservative may be a little quick on the trigger. You got to give time for the Best of the Public to come out. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 12:13, 2 August 2020 (EDT)
Ok. My mistake. I will restore it.
I did have a phone discussion with Andy and he definitely wants the Catholic vs. Protestant material in debate pages.Conservative (talk) 12:16, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

Pokeria and RobSmith discussion on setting up a debate page

Actually, we DO worship God, and not just the church. Actually, if anything, many of us Catholics are very much disgusted with what Pope Francis is doing, which is against God's doctrine, let alone that of the Church, which is meant to be subservient to God. And quite frankly, at least we Catholics didn't outright remove books from the bible, which is what Martin Luther did. Pokeria1 (talk) 11:45, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

It may take years or even centuries to incorporate Francis' decrees into the Magisterium. Heck, it took 1950 years to make the Levitation of Mary official doctrine, together with making it a potential capital offense for failure to honor it. [22]
Then of course you have the de-canonization of saints, which means the Magisterium in times past is fallible. Of course what is the final disposition of people in the intervening centuries who made prayers and offerings to the now defrocked Saints? Do they get booted out of heaven for necromancy ex post facto?
  • Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 11:57, 2 August 2020 (EDT)
Request: Public debates and debate pages have a question which can be either affirmed or rejected. In other words, a question followed by yes and no sections. For example, these would be debates: "Does God exist?" or "Do low taxes best serve society?"Conservative (talk) 12:23, 2 August 2020 (EDT)
This is the hard part: we don't want the debate questioned framed so as to appear as a loaded question and frighten people off. Pokeria1, as a self-identified Catholic, can be very helpful in framing a neutral-sounding question. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 12:26, 2 August 2020 (EDT)
I'm not particularly fond of neutral-sounding words, especially after Wikipedia's so-called "neutrality policy" pretty much made it left-wing by default. Pokeria1 (talk) 12:28, 2 August 2020 (EDT)
A question like Debate: Is the Magesterium infallible? could be offensive to some; conversely, it could bring out its fiercest advocates. I'm not sure if we really have any of those here in Cp. RobSTrump 2Q2Q

The User: Conservative is account made up of a Protestant (nondenominational, born again Christian) and a Catholic. Nobody is going to be fairer than us to referee this conflict than us! All we ask is that the format for the Catholic vs. non-Catholic Christian material be in well organized, informative and civil formats - namely debate pages. This is not too much to ask. Conservative (talk) 12:29, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

Thank you for your cooperation Pokeria and RobSmith. I appreciate it.
Because high school students can successfully set up debates for their debate clubs (Questions which can be either answered in the affirmative or negative), Conservapedians should be able to do this as well. Conservative (talk) 12:36, 2 August 2020 (EDT)
Suggestion: Most people who are not Catholics (or ex-Catholics) do not know what the term "Magesterium" means. Perhaps, this is a suitable debate question: Debate: Does Catholic theology conflict with the Bible?.Conservative (talk) 12:44, 2 August 2020 (EDT)
Another suggestion: Web readers like well organized and informative pages. When a contributor to a debate page makes a significant contribution which has some length to it, please have sections, points numbered, etc. In other words, have your material be user friendly. Web readers like user-friendly material on web pages.Conservative (talk) 12:49, 2 August 2020 (EDT)
Another possible debate: Debate: Are popes infallible when they speak ex-cathedra?.Conservative (talk) 12:54, 2 August 2020 (EDT)
P.S. Andy did tell me in a phone conversation that he wanted the Catholic vs. Protestant material on debate pages and not user talk pages.Conservative (talk) 12:57, 2 August 2020 (EDT)
I'm somewhat going off the language used by the Catholic lobby, which always cites magisterium, end of story. This debate will likely end in questions over who receives the Holy Spirit, individual believers or the church bosses. So I would kinda like to keep magisterium front and center, cause evidently they decide who speaks in the Holy Spirit. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 13:04, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

Ok. Fine. I don't want to micromanage the Catholic vs. Protestant debating. Andy and I just want it to be in an informative, well-organized and civil format - namely debate pages.Conservative (talk) 13:08, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

Here's an idea: we need to get Nishant, DC, and I/S to participate. Perhaps you could post a kindly invitation on their talk pages if they'd be willing to participate at Debate: Is the Magesterium infallible? and help frame the proposition? RobSTrump 2Q2Q 13:20, 2 August 2020 (EDT)
As far as your Debate: Does the Magisterium have authority over the Bible, or does the Bible have authority over the Magisterium?, I think this is not a good debate format as it does not have a question that can either be affirmed or rejected (Yes or no).
Second, speaking as an ex quasi Catholic, I think Catholics believe that the Bible and the Magistrium have equality authority (I am referring to Popes speaking ex-cathedra. When they speak ex-cathedra, Catholics believe the popes are infallible in matters of faith and morals). Catholics would say the two cannot conflict with each other because both are infallible. In addition, they claim that the Bible properly interpreted by the Magisterium and taught to laymen by the Magisterium is infallible.
Because of the above, I don't think your Debate: Does the Magisterium have authority over the Bible, or does the Bible have authority over the Magisterium? will have a lot of participation.Conservative (talk) 15:14, 2 August 2020 (EDT)
Yah, well, it needs a few tweeks. Where's Nishant when you need him? RobSTrump 2Q2Q 15:35, 2 August 2020 (EDT)
What Daclarifier posted today in the now-defunct "Does the Roman Church have authority forever?" debate, could be cut and posted verbatim into the new Debate page. Some of these guy are a little slow off the mark. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 15:37, 2 August 2020 (EDT)
I've tried to make improvements to the format. Right now it appears on point and quite readable. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 16:04, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

The Gospel of Salvation

If you're going to use 1 Corinthians 3 as any basis for Purgatory essay, you must first have the mind of Christ, elsewise you are just walking in the flesh. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 13:55, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
Since I'm not even close to having read that part, I dunno some of the specific contexts there. And regarding whether Purgatory exists or not, the important thing to keep in mind is that just because one is saved doesn't mean that it happens immediately; it very could be that some can only be saved through fire. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Saturday, 14:00, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
Romans 10:9-10 (unless God is a liar or you lack faith). RobSTrump 2Q2Q 14:09, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
It doesn't specify anything about whether being saved is an immediate process or if some may have to go through fire. Thus, your argument against Purgatory isn't a sufficient refutation.. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Saturday, 14:17, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
John 5:24: Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
Eternal life is present tense. Salvation means you will not come into judgement (See: Debate: Is there a Purgatory before Judgment Day; there is no judgement if you are saved.) "passed from death to life", i.e. born gain. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 14:53, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
Okay, so does that directly refute the notion that some are only saved through fire? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Saturday, 15:56, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
Our God is a consuming fire - Hebrews 12:29. That is the reference to fire in 1 Cor. 3. You must have the mind of Christ to see it. when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. 2 Corinthians 3:16. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 16:13, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
Now hold a second. Why did you tamper with my signatures above? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Saturday, 15:58, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
Dataclarifier was offended by Christ's words (as Peter says in the scripture, a rock of offense 1 Peter 2:8), so I cut n pasted our Bible discussion here. You didn't post those comments to this page. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 16:13, 8 August 2020 (EDT)

Something very interesting...

Hi RobSmith, if I remember correctly, I believe you created a page here on Millie Weaver before the contributions disappeared following the server/database errors. Regarding Weaver, this video by Kaitlin Bennett seems very interesting regarding the former's arrest, etc. Since you seem to understand more about topics related to what Bennett goes over, what are your thoughts about it? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Saturday, 21:42, 21 August 2020 (EDT)

Looks like prosecutorial abuse again, like has happened against the Mosley's in St. Louis, or against Roger Stone and Jerome Corsi. Like the case of Stone, it's an effort to keep her silent past election day. She just posted an hour long video yesterday. I received my first hate speech warning from YouTube for uploading ShadowGate, and immediately demanded a public apology from YouTube for accusing me of committing a crime.
Weaver's source, a whistleblower named Tore, served in a position similar to Snowden. Stone, Jerome Corsi, and now Millie Weaver, are all targeted because they are viewed as having aided in Trump's election and now re-election. The facts are clear as revealed by Snowden and Tore - the intelligence community beginning under Brennan and Obama are using the NSA database to spy on sitting presidents, Supreme Court Justices, Senators, Congressmen, journalists, and others for blackmail. Laws intended to be used against foreign enemies are being used against American citizens to bring about socialism. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 05:20, 22 August 2020 (EDT)
Interesting. Thank you RobSmith! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Saturday, 11:15, 22 August 2020 (EDT)

Was blocking Dataclarifier really necessary?

Hi RobSmith, was it really necessary to block Dataclarifier? I know it's only for one hour, but while one can argue that he was spamming, a case can be made that he was just providing evidence, as he linked to specific parts on Bible passages. Also, I saw that you said he was posting "redundant spam"; while I'm not going to spend thirty minutes to an hour scouring through the debate page, did you by any chance make redundant and/or strawman arguments such that he had to repeat certain arguments? I've noticed that you have done that at least once before. Also, while you may have blocked him to prevent more "spamming", is there any other reason for doing so? The problem is that getting blocked means being blocked from all editing, including making a case against such. Thanks! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Sunday, 17:11, 23 August 2020 (EDT)

He was adding nothing of substance to the Debate and only attempting to create a disruption (again) by burying information in a Debate he (again) was losing badly. Appropriate warnings were posted. But I'll let him out of jail.
I only wish he would focus on the substance of any discussion; he thinks a "gates of hell" trump card will always save the day by threatening to send challengers to hell. If he's going to use the bible, he needs to learn how to use it appropriately. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 17:16, 23 August 2020 (EDT)
As to the specific redundant spam, (in addition to what I kept untouched): he copy pasted the two opening scriptures from the Antagonist section, and posted a rebuttal to it right above the Antagonist section; when further debate on the rebuttal moved the positioning up, he reposted the same copy paste 2 more times. (A) Once is enough; (B) he has not articulated, at all, the Roman Catholic position on "actual grace", "sanctifying grace", or what is meant by a "state of grace". (C) Hence, much of his whole contributions to the debate can be considered spam cause it appears he doesn't even know what the Roman Catholic doctrine of grace is, or what he thinks he's defending. And his misuse of scripture is atrocious. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 17:37, 23 August 2020 (EDT)
Oh, okay. If I have the time and patience, I may try to catch up on specific discussions in the future on the debate page(s) to see exactly what's going on, if it can give me a better understanding on the matter. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Sunday, 17:49, 23 August 2020 (EDT)
(ec) As to strawman or anything else, my position is short, concise, and under a heading bearing my name. I think there has been only one engagement there. So, nobody has challenged me to produce more evidence or found any of it disagreeable or objectionable. And no, I'm not spinning my wheels with Dataclarifier; he thinks the entire bible consists of Mathew 16:18, and he further believes Matthew 16:18 has given authority to the Magisterium to nullify the bible and replace it with the Catechism of the Catholic Church. He believes God's Word is evolving. In his specious reasoning, he thinks the bible, which according to him has been nullified, supports what he thinks is Catholic doctrine. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 17:53, 23 August 2020 (EDT)
RobS, I think LiberalTears is DataClarifier, and he's writing to you because he is pre-occupied with excelling others, he finds being blocked to be evidence of a mis-step in doing so, and his coming here under a different persona is his way of showing he didn't suffer any restriction as his way of denying the mis-step while gathering "evidence" with which to use to recriminate. It's sad if it's true, but anyway, I hope you have a good week. VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 19:57, 23 August 2020 (EDT)
I dunno; if he starts saying Trump carting off all the mailboxes is an effort by the gates of hell, I might get worried. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 20:06, 23 August 2020 (EDT)
DC behaves like a naughty little boy. You warn him, "Do not post spam material extraneous to the Debate question." He spams extraneous material. [22] You revert the extraneous spam. He doubles down and posts more. [23] That's how you earn a 1 hour block. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 20:15, 23 August 2020 (EDT)
😂😂😂 Vargas, what are you saying? I laughed quite hard seeing what you typed, as if I'm a sock of Dataclarifier! If you ever notice my tone and style here, you might be able to see that I'm obviously not a sockpuppet of any other account. Just because I'm willing to stand up for him does not in any way mean that this is some duplicate account, and your words certainly show your increasing derangement (to be frank) towards Dataclarifier, as if I can't stand up for someone else. Besides, RobSmith can easily use Special:CheckUser to see the IP address I've been using prior to the server errors, see the IP address Dataclarifier's using, and use an IP locator to compare. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Monday, 20:36, 23 August 2020 (EDT)
One of the hallmarks of liberalism is the association of sudden gusts of emotion when their opinion is expressed. You might not even be a liberal, but really, when that goes on, you might as well be. 22:14, 23 August 2020 (EDT)
Now you're avoiding the point. You suggested that I could be a sock of Dataclarifier, which is absurd. Ask anyone with "check user" abilities and they can confirm that your point is wrong. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Monday, 22:19, 23 August 2020 (EDT)
It's not my fault you behave the way you do; I just observed it. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 00:10, 24 August 2020 (EDT)
The interesting part here is that not only are you trying to dodge my point, you aren't addressing the original point you mentioned in suggesting me to be a sockpuppet. And of course it's about my behavior. I see where you're coming from. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Monday, 00:24, 24 August 2020 (EDT)
I just did, and you still do. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 00:33, 24 August 2020 (EDT)

New debate

...made in bad faith by Dataclarifier and with a subject begging the question needs to be closed. Thank you. VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 22:30, 26 August 2020 (EDT)

Yah. It looks rather lame. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 23:01, 26 August 2020 (EDT)

Question about Antonio Delgado (politician)

Hi RobSmith, I noticed in this page creation of yours that you stated Rep. Delgado to be a member of the CPC, though I couldn't find sources backing that up. Do you have any evidence it? I also made a post about it here. Thanks! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Friday, 17:57, 28 August 2020 (EDT)

Hi again, I saw the reference you added to the page, and I'm just curious, if Delgado is a member of the CPC, then why isn't the information disclosed on the official website or on Wikipedia? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Friday, 18:13, 28 August 2020 (EDT)

Cause he probably lives in a district where if that were widely known it may hurt him. So he just tells selective audiences. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 18:26, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
So if I understand correctly, House caucuses don't always disclose the memberships of everyone who is in them? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Friday, 18:29, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
They're "unofficial". For example, the Black Caucus has refused membership to Republicans. Raul Gravalja (or whatever his name is) keeps his name off the roster, but he probably attends regular meetings and votes within the caucus. It's all "unofficial". RobSTrump 2Q2Q 18:32, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
You have the larger Conferences, or Conferences Committees or party caucuses. One presumably could be a member of the GOP Freedom Caucus with full participation rights to debate and vote on legislation they want to present to the full Conference, and have his name held off the public roster if membership in the caucus would hurt in a swing district. These are basically unofficial party factions. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 18:36, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
Ah, I see. However, if they're unofficial, how and why would some sources get the membership information to post publicly? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Friday, 18:38, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
In the link I cited, it gives three sources; I looked at two but the third is a lengthy video interview. He must've said something on that. Also, Trevor Louden says he's member, and I very much respect Trevor Louden so I take that as corroboration. It is possible he joined and quit, I suppose, but too bad. To me it looks like the classic deception one can expect from a Democrat. It's fairly evident he told somebody somewhere that he was member. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
There is a California Caucus that is bi-partisan but like I said, the Black caucus isn't open to all Blacks, so the rules governing these caucuses are pretty loose. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 18:49, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
You can judge for yourself. If the district he's in looks competitive, he's probably lying about membership. And by competitive, that can mean even against a moderate Democrat primary challenger. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 18:52, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
Would the same idea also apply for Jared Golden? I noticed on the CPC page that Golden is listed as a member despite not seeing such a detail elsewhere. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Friday, 18:57, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
I routinely use Ballotpedia and Keywiki on guys like these. Keywiki is Trevor Louden (Remember him? he's the guy who ID'd Frank Marshall Davis as Obama's spirit guide). If Keywiki has anything on somebody, that's a red flag. Louden says he's CPC. Louden now also works for Epoch Times.
Keywiki is in the 300,000s on Alexa, so when we borrow their content, we're doing much to not just to promote them, but expose commies. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 19:13, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
Louden just published a list the other day. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 19:17, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
Interesting; this is something I'll really have to look more into. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Friday, 19:24, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
Keywiki is an excellent source. They have a small staff, but they usually cut n paste or scan text directly from commie meeting brochures, seminars and news letters verbatim. The whole Rashida Tlaib article came from there. As to Jared Golden, he evidently is a member of the Counsel for a Livable World; that was the only section I was able to glean from keywiki for the CP's Joe Biden page. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 19:31, 28 August 2020 (EDT)

More hostility from VargasMilan

Hi RobSmith, VargasMilan is continuing to exhibit hostility towards me, as evident here. Apparently he thinks that I provided an "unreasonable" explanation for something he doesn't like related to the server errors that had occurred recently. Does he just get to behave unreasonably like this? The reason I would ever bring up certain concerns was all because I really wanted to contribute here without compromising my personal online security amidst the 403 errors, where he apparently was much more fortunate than i was to not have to deal with those problems. Furthermore, he's blatantly violating the 90/10 rule, and has the nerve to complain about me when I actually contribute large amounts of content. And that's not to mention that he also recently thought that I could somehow be a sock of Dataclarifier. If no actions are taken to rebuke this outrageous behavior coming from him, I'll have to reconsider whether CP is a meritocracy, because someone like him should have no authority to behave like this towards those who actually spend several hours a day working hard to add on to the mainspace here. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Sunday, 14:06, 30 August 2020 (EDT)

Huh? "Authority"? I'm afraid I don't follow. Looks like a petty squabble between personalities as is common in interactive media. Looks like a mountain out of a mole hill over something nobody could ever discover its origins. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 14:12, 30 August 2020 (EDT)
His behavior is hostile, and it's pathetic that he gets to behave like this towards me when I focus strongly on contributing content here. And since when does he get to bypass CP rules that everyone else abides by? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Sunday, 14:38, 30 August 2020 (EDT)
I dunno; I'd focus on content rather than petty grievances. See here for example, Vargas posted something about "sanctifying grace" and Thomas Aquinas in the Antagonist position, which created a lotta problems for me in that it forces me to think through clearly a Debate page I created. That was a clever move on his part; in all these alleged Catholic/Protestant debates it leaves out the fact that there is also a Judaic point of view in understanding New Testament doctrine that maybe doesn't agree with either Catholic or Protestant teaching. So I'm grateful for his contributions, even when I'm not sure what to do with it or how to react. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 14:53, 30 August 2020 (EDT)
Vargas literally accused me of possibly being a sock of Dataclarifier (see here) simply because I stood up for D.C. Are you really going to excuse his continuous outrageous behavior such as this? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Sunday, 14:58, 30 August 2020 (EDT)
I didn't excuse anything. And what's the big deal about DC? I read his posting as in jest. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 15:06, 30 August 2020 (EDT)
All I see is you taking offense for things he says in jest. So he thinks you're stupid. So what? I got you beat, hands down. I got 10n more people who think I'm stupid, and all it does is motivate me more. RobSTrump 2Q2Q


Your headline is inaccurate. Portland shooter is not arrested and is hiding from law enforcement. --Jpatt 12:11, 31 August 2020 (EDT)

Thanks! (Technically, he was arrested in June and July). RobSTrump 2Q2Q 12:15, 31 August 2020 (EDT)

Improving Template:QuoteBox

Hi RobSmith, since you're an administrator who can edit fully protected pages, can you see if you can improve Template:QuoteBox? The main issue with it is that the length is always fixed and doesn't function the way officeholder/infobox officeholder templates do when formatted along with images and other templates and instead can become overlapped, as evident on this page, for example. Do you suppose you can adjust the way the template is set up so that the transcluded quote boxes don't become overlapped by images, templates, etc.? Thank you! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Friday, 23:46, 3 September 2020 (EDT)

I unlocked the page. Have at it and I'll watch. Maybe I can learn something. RobSFree Kyle! 23:49, 3 September 2020 (EDT)
Oh, alright then. Thanks! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Friday, 23:52, 3 September 2020 (EDT)
Okay, so I just adjusted the setup in the template to eliminate overlaps, but this now messes up the formatting in pages the template transcludes into; certain changes will need to be made to drastically improve formatting, unfortunately. Should I revert my edit on that template in the meantime? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Friday, 00:00, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
Have you tried stealing the code from another wiki? RobSFree Kyle! 00:04, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
Actually, all I needed to do was refer to the source code for Template:Officeholder. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Friday, 00:13, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
Another temporary idea is to create a new Template with a slightly altered title like QuoteBox2 if you find your experiment useful for some pages, then revert the original. RobSFree Kyle! 00:06, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
Okay, that sounds like a good idea. In that case, can you rollback my edits on Template:QuoteBox, re-protect it, and create a new template with a title along the lines of "Template:QuoteBox-float"? Also, it seems that there already is a template titled "Template:QuoteBox2". —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Friday, 00:13, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
Okay. I lock them all up again when I'm finished. Again, give me some idea what the new Template is used for? RobSFree Kyle! 00:16, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
The idea for Template:QuoteBox-float is that, when transcluded, the box will not become overlapped by images nor other templates that's present with Template:QuoteBox. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Friday, 00:26, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
Okay. I have that problem on 2020 Antifa riots. RobSFree Kyle! 00:43, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
Yeah, I see what you mean; that's where Template:QuoteBox-float might be helpful, though replacing the regular QuoteBox templates to the left of the infobox template with them may cause dislocation. To eliminate the latter problem, here's another suggestion that I hope will resolve everything: for Template:QuoteBox-float, remove "float:right;", add "<div style="clear:both">" between "<includeonly>" and "<blockquote style=" and "</div>" between "</blockquote>" and </includeonly>". —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Friday, 00:54, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
I tried it on that page, and it removed the next subheading. I unlocked the Template again so you can revise it. RobSFree Kyle! 01:01, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
I didn't think it was possible while working it through, but I believe I finally got it just right. Do you want to try again to be sure, RobSmith? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Friday, 01:30, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
I just replaced Template:QuoteBox with Template:QuoteBox-float for this page; the quote boxes are in the right location, right? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Friday, 01:55, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
Perfect! RobSFree Kyle! 01:58, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
Sorry for being slow; I'm trying to download the shootout in Olympia, Washington of the Antifa killer before it disappears, it's its running real slow. RobSFree Kyle! 02:00, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
Okay, so I would think that since Template:QuoteBox-float acts as a better substitute for Template:QuoteBox, do you suppose it's a good idea to take the source code from the former and transfer it to the latter while leaving a redirect? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Friday, 02:02, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
If -float does the same job as the old one, yes. RobSFree Kyle! 02:07, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
Okay, so I just implemented my proposal with edit summaries specifying that they can be reverted if resulting transclusions become worse; what do you think about the formatting, for example on this page? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Friday, 02:19, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
Yah, that looks real good. RobSFree Kyle! 02:25, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
Okay, thank you for your input, RobSmith! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Friday, 02:31, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
By the way, do you suppose that the two templates ought to be re-protected now? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Friday, 02:45, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
Ok, I'll do it. RobSFree Kyle! 02:57, 4 September 2020 (EDT)

A few points

Hi RobSmith, I saw your post on my talk page, and about that, how bad did my changes regarding Template:QuoteBox mess up hundreds of pages? Also, I can't reply on my own talk page because Conservative locked it, so it's better if you comment on User:Liberaltears/mail. Also, another thing: did I miss any details to add here or here? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier's mother be all well! Saturday, 17:21, 5 September 2020 (EDT)

I started reformatting Obamagate timeline 2017 and soon found it was an impossible task, so I just went back to Templates, eliminated the redirect, and created the new Temp -float. Salongate I'll use in 2020 presidential election and make a major issue out of it. Leftwing violence I probably have incidents going back months to merge, but haven't been able to keep up. RobSFree Kyle! 17:59, 5 September 2020 (EDT)
Okay, thank you RobSmith! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier's mother be all well! Saturday, 18:50, 5 September 2020 (EDT)
By the way, I just created a page on the Minnesota Freedom Fund. Is there a major expansion for the page needed, and do you think it ought to be mentioned more on pages like this one, etc.? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier's mother be all well! Sunday, 00:04, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
There are groups like that in every city. Portland has this group which just issued this notice. RobSFree Kyle! 00:44, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
As to the MFF, it's going through big changes. It originally had a budget of about $250,000; it's raised over $30 million in recent months. Now it's looking to get involved in other areas, however that is not what the money was donated for. So we're looking at possible fundraising fraud if the money gets used for other purposes. That, I think. is where the developing story is there.
Yah, plug the page everywhere, and if you can find some good fundraising scandal articles to expand it with, I'd put it MFF on the Commie Template. RobSFree Kyle!
I unfortunately probably haven't been fully keeping up on these types of issues as much as you have (aside from possibly the past few weeks), and scouring through some of the large articles will take a while. Nonetheless, I'll see what I can do. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier's mother be all well! Sunday, 00:55, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
It's started here :2020_Leftwing_insurrection#Bail_fund_scam. RobSFree Kyle! 01:09, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
Ah, I see. Thanks! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier's mother be all well! Sunday, 01:10, 6 September 2020 (EDT)

Will D.C., his mother, and I.S. be okay?

Hi RobSmith, do you think Dataclarifier, his mother, and IndependentSkeptic will be okay? The latter hasn't been around for almost a few days now, and hasn't responded to or deleted my recent message on his talk page yet. He noted this edit and this one to be his final ones, though I'm not sure if it means that he's retiring from CP permanently. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier's mother be all well! Sunday, 15:04, 6 September 2020 (EDT)

They've been retiring for months. Last I heard DC's mother was out of the hospital and okay. But she is 94. I think DC & I/S are out of gas. They claim to know Catholic Catechism but evidently are unaware of the claim that Catholics are becoming God, according to Catholic teaching. So they probably need a few weeks, months, or years to reconcile that with everything they've dedicated their lives to believing. RobSFree Kyle! 15:14, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
Hold on, so do you have direct contact with them or something? I did see I.S.' message on my user mail page here, but I'm not sure if she's necessarily doing well at the moment or not. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier's mother be all well! Sunday, 15:18, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
No. I was just eavesdropping. RobSFree Kyle! 15:22, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
Oh, I see. Also, if you aren't already, can you please send some prayers for them? I often wonder how they're doing, and hope they're as well as can be. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier's mother be all well! Sunday, 15:28, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
I don't regard prayer as a crapshoot or game of chance. My prayer is that none perish and that all come to salvation. RobSFree Kyle! 15:36, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
Can't you at least pray for them to be well? If you ever have any awful health issues to deal with, I'd send prayers for you as I currently do for D.C.'s mother. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier's mother be all well! Sunday, 15:41, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
I've given them the Word. They've rejected it. That's between them and God. All I can do is pray they receive God's word, if not from me, from somebody else. RobSFree Kyle! 15:44, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
My underlying point is that one doesn't need to agree with another on Scripture just to pray for them to be well. I get that you may think they "rejected" the Word of God, though isn't it possible to lead by example on the Christian principle of compassion and ask God to bless them with good health? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier's mother be all well! Sunday, 15:51, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
Bottomline, God doesn't hear the prayers of an unrepentant sinner. The only prayer God will hear of a sinner is a prayer for repentance. 3rd party intercessors can only pray that God will bring them to repentance. Prayers for health or good fortune are useless, and by a believer, a challenge to God and rejection of the believer's faith. RobSFree Kyle! 15:59, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
As to the above, Roman Catholic doctrine does not teach this simple truth of God and the bible, which leads many to so much misunderstanding. They think prayer is like playing the slots at the casino. RobSFree Kyle! 16:04, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
Now hold on a sec: so does that mean that we shouldn't pray for those who are suffering that haven't yet got to understand Christianity? My point is that other people's Scripture views shouldn't stop us from praying for them when they have their hard times, and especially so if they are at an older age and with health issues. I remember when you were somewhat lecturing D.C. and I on Christian principles at least a few times. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier's mother be all well! Sunday, 16:08, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
If you're a believer, I suppose you could pray for an unbeliever's comfort in physical suffering. I don't know what good it will do. I think both the believer and God are more concerned about the unbeliever's eternal destiny. The Christian's prayer for the unrepentant should focus on Romans 2:4, the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance. This actually is directly related to fruit baring, by their fruits ye shall know them, winning souls for Christ. Praying for a sinner's health and fortune is a challenge to God, IMO. RobSFree Kyle! 16:19, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
I asked if you could simply pray for D.C., I.S., and D.C.'s mother to be well, and you're coming up with reasons against such. And correct me if I'm wrong, but why do you talk as if Dataclarifier's not going to heaven? Based off of what I somewhat glanced at while skimming through the debates, it seems that he provides thorough responses with sources. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier's mother be all well! Sunday, 16:26, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
To be well in the flesh? That's praying for rebellion against God. To be made well in the spirit, certainly. RobSFree Kyle! 16:32, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
I had a Baptist friend who was a race track chaplain. Nothing frustrated him more than race trackers asking him to pray for their horse. And, you guessed it, they were usually Roman Catholics who thought that was an effective way for man to deal with God. He'd even ask himself, 'What am I here for?' 'What am I doing wrong, that I'm not communicating to these people?' 'How do I respond?' 'And why me, Lord?' As an ex-Roman Catholic, I could well empathize, but there's no way of responding without offending them by telling them everything they thought they knew about God and learned from "the one true church" is bunk. And it certainly would be most hypocritical and an offense to God himself to go through the motions and pretend to bless the horse. RobSFree Kyle! 18:41, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
I mean, let's get real for a moment. God sends a preacher to sinners with the gospel (John 3:16). They say, 'I'm not interested, but maybe you can pray for my horse's sore leg after that last race.' RobSFree Kyle! 18:56, 6 September 2020 (EDT)

Let me ask you this, Do you think man is becoming God? Do you believe it's possible for man to become God? Do you think "we are what we eat", and by eating a transubstantiated host that will eventually make you God or a god? That is Roman Catholic doctrine. Most Catholics probably don't know that, or believe it, but that's what it is.
There's only one way to fix this, and by two steps: (1) repeal Paragraph 460 of the Catechism, and (2) repeal the notion that Catechism is, adds to, or supplants the Bible. RobSFree Kyle! 16:38, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
I don't recall the Catechism ever being stated to supplant the bible. It's not the Talmud, which DOES explicitly voice its desire to supplant the Old Testament. Besides, Jesus approved of the Catechism when he made Peter the first pope. And for the record, speaking AS a Catholic, we definitely don't believe that eating Jesus's body and blood makes us God, any more than you protestants believe the same by consuming the body and blood of Christ (at least, those Protestant sects that still retain communion). "Partakers of the Divine Nature" =/= Becoming God. Pokeria1 (talk) 16:42, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
You're becoming less and less on topic. Since you have preached Christian values, can't you pray for D.C., his 93 year-old mother, and I.S. to be healthy and well out of compassion? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier's mother be all well! Sunday, 16:40, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
You guys haven't read Dataclarifier's mainspace or Debate contributions. He claims the Roman church has "all authority" as expressed through the Magisterium and catechism. RobSFree Kyle! 16:51, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
LT, learn what prayer is and we'll discuss it. And you won't learn what prayer is from catechism. RobSFree Kyle! 16:53, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
Prayer is not a crapshoot for good luck. Prayer is an expression of faith in God. RobSFree Kyle! 16:55, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
And what makes you think LT doesn't know what prayer is? For goodness sakes, speaking as someone who goes to mass, Catholics make it clear we should pray, and defined it AS in fact making requests to God and having faith in him. Also, I suggest you read up on this. And bear in mind, the guy who wrote these series of articles had been a Protestant all his life, so it's not like he's unfamiliar with Protestant beliefs. Pokeria1 (talk) 17:08, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
I was raised Roman Catholic. I know Roman Catholic teaching on prayer. It took me two and one half decades of wondering why God never answered my prayers, until I found Psalm 51:17. RobSFree Kyle! 17:14, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
It goes both ways, Richard Bennett was a Catholic Priest for over 20 years: [24] And there are a lot more where that came from. Shobson20 (talk) 17:33, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
Let me be specific: In our recent debate, I cited God's word that all who rely on law are under a curse; DC & I/S rejected God's word and insisted that they are under law, i.e. a curse. I can pray to God that he remove the curse, but I know God's answer already, God will say, "That's up to them to decide to remove the curse." RobSFree Kyle! 17:14, 6 September 2020 (EDT)
And let me be even more specific: We hear this all this all the time: 'Pray to God, and maybe he will or maybe he won't answer your prayer'. Whereas the bible has guaranteed that God will honor his promises. We need to know what to ask for. And that begins with asking for his grace and forgiveness, and remove the curse inherited from Adam and being under the law. RobSFree Kyle! 18:30, 6 September 2020 (EDT)

Law v. grace

Eh, quite frankly, God never really honored his promise of removing the curse inherited from Adam. If he did, we'd be robots without free will, incapable of even conceiving of rebellion (let's not forget, Adam sinning against God was out of his own free will, even if the Serpent nudged him and Eve that way). That's certainly how I would have honored my promise had I been in God's position, basically after Jesus died, I'd outright RIP humanity's free will and make them my complete and utter slaves with "rebellion" not even being in the dictionary, viewing sin and free will as one and the same. Getting rid of free will is the ONLY way to actually get rid of sin, and God knows that just as well as I do. Heck, if anything, he knows that far more than I or anyone else does, being omniscient. Besides, 51:17 wasn't even in the Duay Raimes bible (which is the oldest bible known to man, well, oldest one composed of both Old and New Testaments anyway. Obviously, the written Torah's older.), and I'm not sure when exactly that was added in. Pokeria1 (talk) 10:06, 8 September 2020 (EDT)
Technically, if you'll recall, God did not curse Adam, he cursed the ground under his feet. That curse is still around. The law than became a curse because man stubbornly still refused to listen to God. (Catholicism doesn't really focus on teaching any of this).
"The first man Adam became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
Granted, Catholicism teaches something close to this, but the message becomes confused when you look at the church's teaching on how we receive the Holy Spirit, what salvation is, and how we obtain salvation. RobSFree Kyle! 10:35, 8 September 2020 (EDT)
I'll thumbnail DC & I/S' misunderstanding of scripture very succinctly: they apply a fleshly understanding to the scriptural use of the word "disobedience", thinking it means being naughty. It doesn't. It means not having faith. Disobedience is not believing what God says in his bible.
And this is the whole function of catechism - to promote disobedience. What God says in his bible is so awesome and unbelievable to the natural mind, catechism seeks to "make it understandable" to the natural man, and thus re-imposes law, bringing the sinner back into captivity. It denies the "good news" of God's grace. RobSFree Kyle! 10:39, 8 September 2020 (EDT)
Pokeria, a few more comments. "Getting rid of free will is the ONLY way to actually get rid of sin, and God knows that". That's a restatement or exposition of Christopher Hitchens famous "celestial North Korea". And Psalm 51:17 not being in the Douhy-Rheims would be one of the best explanations of when the Gate of Hell prevailed against the Roman church I've ever heard, assuming it's true.
Even the Angels are or were given free will. That's what led to Lucifer's rebellion. God did not create timid slaves, be it angels or man, to worship and serve him. God desires for all his creatures, angels and men, to love one another and serve one another out of a pure heart. Pride - putting oneself first as reason for their own existence, worshipping and serving the creature (angels or man) more than the Creator, is idolatry. There's a little bit of sociopath in all of us, call it original sin. We're born with it, hence we must be born again. I tell people in my prison and homeless ministry that when they wake in the morning, if that foot hits the floor to serve self and not others, they are not walking in the spirit. RobSFree Kyle! 11:38, 8 September 2020 (EDT)
That's what criminals do. They wake up, their first thought is getting to the methadone clinic or stealing something to buy dope. A born again, mature Christian will wake up, and think out of free will, that the foot God gave them to stand up with is to be used to take advantage of the opportunity to love others, to share God's grace and blessings with fellow Christians and sinners alike. And to do this by free will and a sincere heart, not as Dataclarifier or Christopher Hitchens would argue, out of fear of going to hell. RobSFree Kyle! 11:53, 8 September 2020 (EDT)
The entire POINT of having faith is to obey God's commandments and not question him in ANY way. In other words, to be faithful to God DOES require fear of Hell. Even the Bible says this, or have you forgotten that Jesus and his disciples themselves have done plenty of threats to send people to hell if they don't obey God's will. And for the record, Jesus himself never promised anything about alleviating the curse of the law. Far from it, he said he came to FULFILL the Law, not abolish it, which essentially means to use your words he wants us to REMAIN cursed with the law. And the Douhy-Rheims Bible was the oldest one known to man (and by that, I mean books containing both the Old AND the New Testament), meaning it's MUCH closer to the Apostles and Jesus's teachings than contemporary ones. And for the record, I'll make this much clear: My view of an honest God would NOT be one who enters a barter game with Abraham over Sodom and Gomorrah's fate despite knowing full well via omniscience it lacking ANY innocents barring Lot and his family. Far from it, he'd shut down ANY attempt and cite his omniscience and then brutally torture Abraham telepathically in a manner comparable to the Penance Stare from Ghost Rider showing him the true sinful nature of Sodom and Gomorrah, leaving Abraham permanently broken a man and then God outright gloating in pride over his honesty outright breaking him and that only God alone is good, and even compare all of humanity to trash simply because they were descended from Adam and then stating Abraham and humanity's only role is to submit to his decrees and never ever question his actions for any reason before saving Lot and his daughters by teleporting them out. THAT'S honesty, telling the whole truth to SUCH an extent that the ones told the truth to end up completely broken mentally and spiritually. No one can have a personal relationship with God, no equal standing, which is what a personal relationship implies. God is king and ruler, meaning we can NEVER have a personal relationship at all with him. Do you have a personal relationship with the President? Absolutely not! You want an example of what a God who wants a personal relationship with his creation would be like? Think how Fish Mooney acted with two of her candidates in Gotham (in other words, he'd outright tell his creation he can only have a personal relationship with one of them and that they ought to fight each other to the death until only one survives, at which point he'll give all the personal relationship to the survivor). To put it another way, a God who wants a personal relationship would if anything egg Cain and Abel to kill each other to try to earn the right to have a personal relationship with him, and then REWARD Cain with that honor, since that's the only REAL way to gain a personal relationship with those in power. And let me make clear my views regarding God and truthfulness on his part are not exactly orthodox to Catholic teaching (heck, if anything, I've been trying to no avail to get resolution to that issue), so DON'T try to claim that Catholics are responsible for that bit. Pokeria1 (talk) 15:16, 8 September 2020 (EDT)
fulfil the law = he paid the price for sin.
Ye are no longer under law but under grace, i.e. Jesus' righteous fulfillment of the law.
RobSFree Kyle! 16:08, 8 September 2020 (EDT)
Faith is simple trust. It is nothing mysterious. You either have faith, or trust, that your ol' lady is not going to cheat on you, or you don't. Now, there are degrees or measures of faith. But you either trust God, or believe God, that he is willing to take it upon himself to reconcile you to himself for your sin , i.e. his offer of grace, or you stand up in your pride and think you can make yourself acceptable and pleasing to God. If you choose the latter, you have no faith in God. By grace are ye saved, through faith. RobSFree Kyle! 16:16, 8 September 2020 (EDT)
No, Faith requires absolute, unquestioning obedience to God and his commands. If you merely place trust in someone who repeatedly violates that trust, it makes YOU a fool, for example, so it's not placing "trust" in God at all, nor for that matter is it merely placing unaccounted trust in us humans by God. It's a master-servant relationship, and that's ALL we'll EVER amount to in the eyes of God, purely as slaves to him, even if he DOES call us our Father, even with Jesus's death and resurrection. And use your head, if God viewed the law as fulfilled with Jesus's death, why didn't he order Jesus to publicly destroy the Ten Commandments and Books of Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and Numbers upon resurrecting? After all, when a law is fulfilled, there's no longer a point in enforcing it or even keeping it, so you just throw it in a bonfire. Or to use an example, a kid passes his Chemistry final and is glad to be out of the class, so to celebrate, he takes his chemistry notebook out, declares he no longer needs it, and then proceeds to rip it to shreds. And for the record, this priest makes it clear that the Catechism and Missals don't supplant the bible, any more than your service books among you protestants do, or for that matter the Didache. So unless you want to claim service books of any kind supplant the Bible, I suggest you can that claim. In fact, might as well go even further, state the bible itself tries to make it more "palatable" to man, so we should throw THAT out even when it's the closest we've got to any words from God. I think the fact that God kept the Ten Commandments instead of burning them and even had Jesus and his disciples outright state in various Gospels that we are still to follow them should make it very obvious we are STILL under the law. And my comparison with God is less to a celestial North Korea as it is to a celestial statue garden or even a celestial Ice Age fossil collection, none of creation even MOVES at all under God ripping our free will from us. We wouldn't even serve him out of fear. Pokeria1 (talk) 16:53, 8 September 2020 (EDT)
The Ten Commandments, or the whole of the law, does not determine your salvation or final destiny. Never has, never will. Never could. And if it did, Jesus died for nothing. RobSFree Kyle! 17:44, 8 September 2020 (EDT)
So why didn't he publicly burn them when he rose from the dead? If they didn't determine salvation or final destiny, what was the point of God forcing us to obey those laws (for goodness sakes, they're called the ten COMMANDments, "Command", means "Order" as in, you're ordering someone to do a task, aka, forcing someone to obey you)? Do to the law, what they did to the prohibition law after it got revoked, in other words.
And for the record, here's what the Douay Rheims bible says Psalm 51 entails, which I have in front of me as we speak:
"1. Unto the end, understanding for David, 2 when Doeg the Edomite came and told Saul: David went to the house of Achimelech. [1 Kings 22. 9.] 3. WHY dost thou glory in malice, thou that art mighty in iniquity? 4. All the day long thy tongue hath devised injustice: as a sharp razor, thou hast wrought deceit. 5. Thou hast loved malice more than goodness: and iniquity rather than to speak righteousness. 6. Thou has loved all the words of ruin, O deceitful tongue. 7. Therefore will God destroy thee for ever: he will pluck thee out, and remove thee from thy dwelling place : and thy root out of the land of the living. 8. The just shall see and fear, and shall laugh at him, and say : 9. Behold the man that made not God his helper : But trusted in the abundance of his riches : and prevailed in his vanity. 10. But I, as a fruitful olive tree in the house of God, have hoped in the mercy of God for ever, yea for ever and ever. 11. I will praise thee for ever, because thou hast done it : and I will wait on thy name, for it is good in the sight of thy saints."
As you can see, there is no verse 17, going up to verse 11 at most. Pokeria1 (talk) 18:12, 8 September 2020 (EDT)
Pokeria, as a Bible student, I wouldn't know how to regard your effort. This is DOUAY Psalm 51. RobS is talking about KING JAMES Psalm 51. The Douay combines Psalms 9 and 10 so when they put a number on KING JAMES Psalm 51, they count one less Psalm and call it Psalm 50. VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 18:52, 8 September 2020 (EDT)
Jesus said, I came not to abolish the law, but to fulfil, i.e. the law's demand for a just sacrifice for sin. Also, your Douey version speaks of mercy (grace). RobSFree Kyle! 19:30, 8 September 2020 (EDT)
And with Vargas help we may have put our finger on a moment when the church Dataclarifier thinks that Jesus founded upon Peter went off the rails and succumbed to the Gates of Hell. But it probably needs more research. RobSFree Kyle! 19:33, 8 September 2020 (EDT)
Here it is, Douay-Rheims Psalm 50 verse 19: A sacrifice to God is an afflicted spirit: a contrite and humbled heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. [25]
You wanna get saved? Here's your ticket, already punched. Reject this, and there's no way to avoid hell. RobSFree Kyle! 01:22, 9 September 2020 (EDT)

This went off the rails. I believe it's supposed to be about wishing Dataclarifier, his mother and IndependentSkeptic well, and I certainly do. Regarding their religion, I believe that God decides our number is up when He's done with us, and that applies regardless of anything else. I am not entering the conversation at all with regard to their salvation. I just know they'll be out of gas when God says so. They've done good work in their lives, and regardless of who's number is up, let's celebrate that. --LawfulLibertarian (talk) 19:54, 8 September 2020 (EDT)

  • Romans 2:23-25 - You who boast in the law dishonor God by breaking the law. For, as it is written, “The name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.
  • 1 John 1:8 - If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
  • Romans 5:6-8 - For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

DC & I/S just can't seem to grasp this basic teaching of the gospel, and continue to boast in the law, causing the name of God to be blasphemed among non-believers.

  • Romans 6:14 - Ye are not under law but under grace.

Then they tell me I'm going to hell. My money's on God, not on people who God says cause the name of God to be blasphemed. RobSFree Kyle! 20:30, 8 September 2020 (EDT)

RobS, DC accused you of antinomianism in your thinking. Have you responded to that? VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 14:45, 9 September 2020 (EDT)
That's been the Kneejerk response by Catholics to Martin Luther for 500 years. It sounds 'studied' or 'intellectual'. They reject bible preaching like the verses posted above, yet claim they believe the bible. If a non-Catholic cites the bible, it's called a "private interpretation" and they're back to catechism as a reference. It's like trying to preach to a hamster on a wheel.
Only God can get a person to stop lying to themselves. That's why I rely on the word. And if God can't persuade them with his word and offer of grace, Satan has a grip on them. God's not in the business 0f forcing anybody to do his will. That's why he gives us free will. When you wake up in hell, don't says nobody didn't tell you so. RobSFree Kyle! 15:13, 9 September 2020 (EDT)
What many people, and particularly people who fall for a gospel of works and judgement (like Catholicism, Mormonism, Islam, Buddhism, etc) can't grasp is, God does not send you to hell on Judgement Day; you personally make the choice to go to hell while still alive in the flesh by rejecting God's word (i.e. gospel preaching). God simply rubber stamps your decision. It's also called "lack of faith".
We have to personally choose to be adopted into God's family, and he's guaranteed that he will in nowise cast out. RobSFree Kyle! 15:20, 9 September 2020 (EDT)

Yet another MPR headline proposal

Hi RobSmith, notwithstanding some disputes regarding Dataclarifier/IndependentSkeptic etc., can you please put the following on MPR:

Even left-wing Democrat Max Rose gets it: Bill de Blasio is the worst mayor in the history of New York City. [26]

Thank you once again! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier's mother be all well! Thursday, 20:48, 9 September 2020 (EDT)

Something about Brian Kolfage

Hi RobSmith, have you seen this article about Brian Kolfage yet? It seems like something interesting that you might understand quite a lot about. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier's mother be all well! Thursday, 13:57, 10 September 2020 (EDT)

Actually, it wasn't until I saw that I got interested. He's Bannon's partner, I guess. Vive Frei, an excellent source, has at least 3 ongoing vids on him, but I haven't been able to keep up. RobSFree Kyle! 14:23, 10 September 2020 (EDT)
I unfortunately haven't been able to keep up on everything either; there's the Senate elections page to update for Rhode Island and New Hampshire that I'll most likely get to today, as well as pages for various candidates in the House elections, etc. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier's mother be all well! Thursday, 14:29, 10 September 2020 (EDT)
I guess there's a gag order, but if anything develops, Vive Frie will be one (if not the only) one to report on it. RobSFree Kyle! 14:39, 10 September 2020 (EDT)


Can we make pages about years like 2010, 2020, and 2030, like Wikipedia, but in a conservative manner? We can put in the year 2016 Iran had access to banks, in 1975 US lost Vietnam War due to liberals, and in 2011 US lost Iraq War because of Obama. Also, we can put about the coronavirus pandemic in the proposed page of 2020. From Punish China.

Sure. I see no reason why not. RobSFree Kyle! 19:30, 10 September 2020 (EDT)

Interesting recaps from the first debate for 2020 Senate election in Maine

Hi RobSmith, I just finished watching the debate for the 2020 U.S. Senate election in Maine, and there definitely were a few interesting highlights. All the candidates firstly seemed to be liberal, Lisa Savage and Sara Gideon more so than Sen. Collins and Max Linn. Linn had been disrespectful and acted as if his anti-establishment views would allow him to dodge questions by moderators. Gideon claimed that Trump was using tear gas on "peaceful protesters", and fully supports Biden while attacking Collins for supposedly supporting Trump. The best part was in the end here, where Gideon ducked a question by Collins on John Roberts after a debate over Brett Kavanaugh. Do you suppose any of this can be put on MPR? Thanks! —LiberaltearsMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Saturday, 20:08, 11 September 2020 (EDT)

Gideon also claimed that Collins votes with Trump 94% of the time, which I believe is false. —LiberaltearsMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Saturday, 20:09, 11 September 2020 (EDT)

Joe Lieberman backs Collins; Gideon has some kinda sex scandal running, the Freebeacon has done two stories in the last two days on it. I recently saw something somewhere that says Collins is gonna win, but can't find it right now. Trump gassing peaceful protesters looks interesting, but I'd have to look into the details; didn't Obama gas Ferguson peaceful protesters? How does a Senator stop a president from tear gassing rioters anyway, when the president has no control over local law enforcement? I'll have to look at the debate, but what do you highlight, a pro-Collins byte, and anti Dem byte, a fake news byte, or the stupidity of the Democrat voters?
I think the Lieberman endorsement among older Democrats, the highest voting demographic, nearly seals the deal. But a little scandalmongering on Gideon never hurts cause it reflects on the character of the whole party and its voters. RobSFree Kyle! 20:30, 11 September 2020 (EDT)
Lieberman's endorsement of Collins may somewhat resonate with the independent voters as well as some less insane Democrats. Gideon's scandals will be skipped over by the liberal media, though the informed voters will likely be quite aware. It's also important to note that a major obstacle for Collins in the general election would the ranked-choice voting system; those voting for Linn or Savage may be more inclined to put Gideon at a higher rank than Collins on the ballot; thus, since the race will likely be close and a majority won't initially be reached, Collins could theoretically win a plurality at first but lose to Gideon after the ranked-choice comes in. —LiberaltearsMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Saturday, 20:46, 11 September 2020 (EDT)


I feel like sourcing will consume time and damage the format. I'm just not so used to sourcing. I don't have vandal/lying intention, I just have trouble sourcing. Can you teach me to source?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by PunishChina (talk)

Where did you get the information you inserted? RobSFree Kyle! 16:10, 15 September 2020 (EDT)

Yet another MPR proposal

Hi RobSmith, can you consider putting the following on MPR, re-worded if you think necessary:

Current House Democrat priorities: condemning the use of the term Chinese virus as "racist". [27] Reject the petty race-baiters in November!

Thank you!
LiberaltearsMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Thursday, 18:47, 17 September 2020 (EDT)

I see you put it on MPR. Thank you very much, RobSmith!
LiberaltearsMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Thursday, 19:19, 17 September 2020 (EDT)

An idea for a potential MPR post in the future

Having just seen this article that was published one to two days ago, here's an idea for an MPR post if Peter Strzok ever publicly idolizes himself again: point out how his reputation got Strzok down (pun intended).
LiberaltearsMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Friday, 00:57, 18 September 2020 (EDT)

Good idea. I'll work on it. He's hawking a book right now so he'll probably be on The View and elsewhere. I like bringing together MPR items into a running narrative rather than an odd assortment of random stories. I've even used MPR to store links for citations that take time to devolp coherent narrative in article mainspace. RobSFree Kyle! 01:01, 18 September 2020 (EDT)
Sounds awesome! Thank you RobSmith!
LiberaltearsMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Friday, 01:04, 18 September 2020 (EDT)

MPR headline proposal related to fed-up New Yorkers

Hi RobSmith, here's yet again another MPR headline idea:

New Yorkers fed up with the utter incompetency of Fredo the Elder and Bill de Blowhard paint a large message on Brooklyn Street reading "F*** CUOMO AND DE BLASIO". [28]

It possibly may need re-wording as you see fit. Thank you! —LiberaltearsMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Monday, 18:17, 21 September 2020 (EDT)

Here's another one for the article: Bolshevik Bill. RobSFree Kyle! 18:29, 21 September 2020 (EDT)
Thank you for putting it on MPR! And "Bolshevik Bill" does sound like a fitting nickname, though I personally prefer "de Blowhard".
LiberaltearsMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Monday, 18:37, 21 September 2020 (EDT)

Something is weighing heavy on my mind

1. Was the Russian Mafia around during WWII and the Cold War eras? If not, why not?

2. How do dictators most likely feel about organized crime syndicates? Do they turn a blind eye to it based on getting kickbacks, don’t care, and view them as only less work for them to do? Yes or no? Please explain your answer, whatever it may be.

(King Conservative (talk) 16:48, 22 September 2020 (EDT)King Conservative)

Good question! It's both a complicated and easy question. As to #1, the KGB basically was a mafia organization from its founding. As the border guard, its primary function, it controlled illegal smuggling of foreign goods, drugs, weapons, and human trafficking.
Here's the two picturegraphs or radicals together- the CCP initials translated "promoting darkness".
As to #2, Mao and Stalin (to name a few) were criminal gangsters. I'd encourage viewing or reading Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party, Parts 1, 2, and 8 for more detail and documentation. Here's a brief primer from Part 2 Forward, excerpted
"According to the book “Explaining Simple and Analyzing Compound Characters,” [1] the traditional Chinese character “dang,” meaning “party” or “gang,” consists of two radicals that correspond to “promote or advocate” and “dark or black,” respectively.
Putting the two radicals together, the character means “promoting darkness.”
“Party” or “party member” (which can also be interpreted as “gang” or “gang member”) carries a derogatory meaning. Confucius said, “A gentleman is proud without being aggressive, sociable but not partisan.” [2] The footnotes of “Analects” (“Lunyu”) explain, “People who help one another conceal their wrongdoings are said to be forming a gang (party).” [3]
In Chinese history, political cliques were often called “peng dang” (cabal).
It is a synonym for “gang of scoundrels” in traditional Chinese culture, and the meaning implies ganging up for selfish purposes. [29]
IOWs. prior to the CCP, there was no word or idiom in Chinese for "political party" (a Western concept), and they called themselves "gang" with the naked implication of a criminal or outlaw gang that opposed the government, as understood by most Chinese.
Hope this is a start for what is a large subject that definitely needs to be brought to the attention of American students. I'm willing to help out if you have a project in mind in this area. Thanx. RobSFree Kyle! 17:12, 22 September 2020 (EDT)
No problem and by Russian Mafia, I meant a non-governmental organization akin to the Italian Mafia. (King Conservative (talk) 17:25, 22 September 2020 (EDT)King Conservative)
Because of Soviet censorship, the World War II era would be harder to research and document, but not impossible. In the Cold War era there's much eyewitness testimony of the collaboration between KGB and mafia. The very fact the Soviet's always boasted of having eliminated much crime, and particularly property crime, which plagues Western or capitalist socieities is proof in itself the Soviet governement controlled all crime.
Prior to the Russian Federation joining the IMF and WTO in the 1990s, there were trade embargoes on exports to the USSR. After 1945, the Soviet Union basically never fully converted its industrial base over to peacetime manufacturing of consumer goods (having been caught off-guard when Hitler attacked in 1941). Shortages of cars, TV sets, refrigerators, shoes, clothing, etc plagued the Soviet Union throughout its existence. But human nature being what it is, the demand for consumer products never was stomped out by Marxist ideology. The blackmarket flourished. Here the KGB (border guard) worked hand-in-glove with mafia to circumvent Western export restrictions. By the 1980s, things like disposable cigarette lighters became status symbols, i.e. the person holding such an item had mafia and KGB access to Western manufactured goods. Things like Jordache jeans were in high demand. The mafia just had to pay an under-the-table KGB bribe or border tax which was passed along to the end consumer. RobSFree Kyle! 17:45, 22 September 2020 (EDT)

Another Question

I know that the FBI investigates domestic terrorists as well as American mobsters (especially the famous ones of Italian, Irish, and Jewish ancestry). I also know that the CIA investigates foreign terrorists and governments. I’m only curious, does the CIA investigate, arrest, and bust foreign mobsters such as the Russian Mafia, Triad of China, Yakuza of Japan, drug cartels of Latin America, and Yardies of Jamaica? Additionally, I know that MI5 is Britain’s version of the FBI while MI6 is Britain’s version of the CIA. Does MI6 bust, arrest, and investigate American terrorists as well as American, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Latin Americans and Jamaican mobsters? (King Conservative (talk) 08:51, 26 September 2020 (EDT)King Conservative)

As far as is known, the CIA does not directly target criminal organizations unless there is some overlap with its mandate. CIA counterintelligence is supposedly limited to monitoring itself to keep out compromised individuals. CIA doesn't really have arrest powers, but alternatively it can whack people. It's not really considered a law enforcement agency. So, where a foreign government is involved in narcotics trafficing this presents special problems.
The case of Carter Page is interesting; cause here we find Page was working with the CIA in a law enforcement and counterintelligence sting on territory within the United States. Nevermind the corruption of the Obama Department of Justice in abusing the FISA process, these other basic facts raise eyebrows and are contrary to what is commonly beleived about the CIA's mission. Evidently as a result of the Patriot Act and perhaps some unkown secret Executive Orders, it was legal for CIA to carryout a law enforcement counterintelligence sting in New York between 2008 and 2014. Of course, neither Congress or the media have showed the slightest interest in pursuing these facts. And these facts point to operaions within the DOJ-NSD.
It comes down to a question about interagency intelligence sharing, again.
As to MI5 and MI6; MI stand for "Military Intelligence". So the UK's domestic law enforcement branch comes under "military intelligence", a legacy of the First World War. RobSFree Kyle! 12:41, 26 September 2020 (EDT)

Upload rights

I would like to request upload rights, since I am really trying to get the flagicons from Wikipedia from Conservapedia, to show the small flag icons, like {{USA}} or {{CHN}}, in articles. I have one more step, and that is uploading flags, but I can't do it, since it says "You do not have permission to upload this file, for the following reason:

The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: Administrators, Upload.".

Another reason is I am making my own sandbox here: I really need the flagicon to show the flags, but it says to upload the .svg files. I have the files, but I can't upload them, since it says I need upload rights. I would appreciate if I get upload rights, since It would benefit Conservapedia, and I would make a list of GDP (PPP) milestones with those flag icons. Thanks, and have a good day! - User:Punish China

You'll have to ask Andy for those. RobSFree Kyle! 19:47, 26 September 2020 (EDT)

OK, I asked him. Thanks! - User:Punish China

Interesting headline

Hi RobSmith, thanks for the suggestion of creating a sock account, it's working just fine! By the way, if you haven't already, can you take a screenshot of this CNN article headline which debunks the previous MSM notion that the massive fires were somehow due to "global warming", crop and upload it to CP? Thanks! TemporarysockofLT (talk) 17:01, 27 September 2020 (EDT)

[File:Antifa wildfires.png Here it is]; it can go in Fake News, CNN, Fake news in the 2020 presidential election, Global warming, and Antifa pages, at least. RobSFree Kyle! 17:21, 27 September 2020 (EDT)
Thank you very much, RobSmith! TemporarysockofLT (talk) 17:24, 27 September 2020 (EDT)
2020 Marxist uprising too. We may need a couple of sentences for context. Can you do that? RobSFree Kyle! 17:25, 27 September 2020 (EDT)
For the 2020 Marxist uprising page, I'd have to really look at it to see where the image fits best, and I may only have around one and a half hours left in total for CP editing on this account before having to finish some other things I've got to do. I'll try to quickly get to it once I finish updates for the Left-wing violence in the Trump era (2020) page. TemporarysockofLT (talk) 17:35, 27 September 2020 (EDT)
When you update the Leftwing violence page, try to write at least 3 or 4 sentences that can be easily cut and pasted into all the other pages mentioned above. RobSFree Kyle! 17:38, 27 September 2020 (EDT)

Quick question

Hi RobSmith, do you think it would be okay for me to upload a cropped version of this image from this page under fair use for the Chris Wallace page? Thanks! —LiberaltearsMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Wednesday, 00:47, 30 September 2020 (EDT)

Sure. Briebart hijacked it from Fox. Just to be safe, I'd crop out the Fox part. RobSFree Kyle! 01:04, 30 September 2020 (EDT)
Okay, thank you! —LiberaltearsMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Wednesday, 01:14, 30 September 2020 (EDT)

User Rankings

Where can I find a page of Conservapedians with the most edits? Like, Conservapedians with the most edits? - User:Punish China

Geez, I'm not sure. I think LT knows. RobSFree Kyle! 19:44, 30 September 2020 (EDT)
On any CP page, look below the image logo, and you'll see five links from top to bottom saying Main Page, Recent changes, etc. Click on the "Statistics" link, and under the "User statistics" section, there's a box that says "Active users". Click on "(list of members)", and you'll see a special page with a cached version showing users who made at least one action over the past thirty days and how many edits they have for that period. Because it's cached, you'll almost always need to re-load the page several to many times for more users to show up on the list. —LiberaltearsMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Wednesday, 19:51, 30 September 2020 (EDT)

No, I mean, users with more edits in a list like, but the Conservapedia version with people like Conservative, Aschlafly in the top. - User:Punish China

I dunno about a single gathered list, but for any particular user that you want to find how many edits they made, enter in the Search bar "Special:UserProfile/" followed by their username. (for RobSmith, enter "Special:UserProfile/RobSmith", etc.) Click on the rightmost "Mobile view" link in the gray area if you aren't already in mobile view, and you'll see how many edits and updates that user has made. —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Thursday, 20:03, 30 September 2020 (EDT)

So, how can we make such a list? - User:Punish China

Hypothetically, the database might be able to generate a special page listing such, though I don't know how that would work; you might have to ask Andy about that type of topic. —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Thursday, 20:11, 30 September 2020 (EDT)

But, can you read my message to Andy on upload rights? He didn't reply in like a week, and I want your reply. Thanks! - User:Punish China

Armenia-Azerbaijan Border Clashes

Hi Rob. Currently there are ongoing border clashes between Armenia and Azerbaijan but there is still no article for it on Conservapedia. I plan on creating an article for this and was wondering if I could have some help with it. Bytemsbu (talk) 22:43, 1 October 2020 (EDT)
Yes. Any ideas for a title? RobSFree Kyle! 11:10, 2 October 2020 (EDT)
I believe Bytemsbu already created the page here. —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Friday, 11:16, 2 October 2020 (EDT)

China edits

I see what you're doing. But don't you think your punishments of China should be proportional to their offenses? What I mean is, don't get hooked into responding to personal attacks. The (virtuous) Chinese have a saying:

There is food in the ting.
My comrades are envious,
But they cannot harm me.
Good fortune.

Richard Wilhelm explains: "In a period of advanced culture, it is of the greatest importance that one should achieve something significant. If a man concentrates on such real undertakings, he may indeed experience envy and disfavor, but that is not dangerous. The more he limits himself to his actual achievements, the less harm can the envious inflict on him."

VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 23:36, 2 October 2020 (EDT)

What, are you on the CCP propagandists' payroll? My suggestion, go turn yourself in to the FBI and not wait for them to knock on your door. RobSFree Kyle! 23:49, 2 October 2020 (EDT)
See, we both know it's a big deal! VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 01:37, 3 October 2020 (EDT)

China mocks Trump

The MSM is not even criticizing to China. However, can you put the China mocks and bullies Trump in the news in the main page? - Punish China

I got this so far,
Chinese Communist Party, which has officially endorsed Biden, [7] is actively interfering in the 2020 presidential election. [8] CCP uses debate to criticize American democracy, push Chinese-style Marxist authoritarianism. [9] So does CNN. [10]
We need to tie China closer to election interference and the Biden campaign, for example a Biden staffer or high-level DNC operative retweeting the CCP quote. As it is, it's just rather passive Trump criticism. Needs more context. RobSFree Kyle! 21:16, 3 October 2020 (EDT)
Or something along the lines of Biden allied Chinese Communists mock Trump's illness. Need a source for that. RobSFree Kyle! 21:18, 3 October 2020 (EDT)

There, I think I got it:

Chinese Communist Party, which has officially endorsed Biden, [30] mock Trump's illness. [31] The Chinese Communists are actively interfering in the 2020 presidential election. [32] CCP uses debate to criticize American democracy, push Chinese-style Marxist authoritarianism. [33] So does CNN. [34]

RobSFree Kyle! 21:25, 3 October 2020 (EDT)

Yes! - User:Punish China

My New Account

Hey RobSmith, I decided that I will change the account from Punish China to United States. I saw the user rankings that I am updating daily here:, and I didn't want an account "Punish China" in the top. I do support punishing China, yes, but I chose a better username. - User:United States

It is an account. I confirm it. - User:Punish China

I was going to suggest changing the title to Punich CCP to avoid accusations from the commie Dems of xenophobia. RobSFree Kyle! 12:48, 6 October 2020 (EDT)

MPR post regarding Senate debate in Arizona?

Hi RobSmith, do you suppose you can make an MPR post highlighting the debate for the 2020 U.S. Senate election in Arizona, maybe using the following?

Recap for the debate for the 2020 U.S. Senate special election in Arizona: Sen. Martha McSally notes her record of effectiveness, Mark Kelly lies, and the "moderators" repeat discredited anti-Trump talking points. See the full video here: [35]

Thanks! —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Wednesday, 00:23, 7 October 2020 (EDT)

I see you put it on MPR, thank you very much! By the way, just curious, did you see any of the debate? —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Wednesday, 00:41, 7 October 2020 (EDT)

I watched about 10 minutes on youtube, but got so disgusted with how PBS moderators allowed trolls with taxpayer money in chat I quit. RobSFree Kyle! 01:09, 7 October 2020 (EDT)

Image for the Steve Scully page

Hi RobSmith, do you think it would be okay if I upload a cropped version of this image to use for the Steve Scully page? I'm not sure if I'm allowed to upload C-SPAN images under fair use. Thanks! —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Saturday, 14:40, 10 October 2020 (EDT)

I don't see why not. Just credit something like "C-Span public access network" in the upload. RobSFree Kyle! 14:50, 10 October 2020 (EDT)
Also, if you can crop the sides and make it more square, that will bring into focus his bug eyes. RobSFree Kyle! 14:52, 10 October 2020 (EDT)
Alright, I just uploaded the file here. —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Saturday, 14:58, 10 October 2020 (EDT)
Good! He looks like the lunatic that he is. RobSFree Kyle! 15:00, 10 October 2020 (EDT)

Need help Deleting an Article

Hello Rob. I created an article about M.S.King but I can't find any sources for it. Could you see if you have the time to to delete it?Bytemsbu (talk) 11:18, 11 October 2020 (EDT)

Upload for the Li-Meng Yan page?

Hi RobSmith, do you think it would be okay for me to upload a cropped version of this picture from this NY Post page to use for the Li-Meng Yan page? Thanks! —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Thursday, 12:39, 22 October 2020 (EDT)

I don't see why not, as long as you give proper credit. And if you do crop it, do it justice; it's obviously a propaganda photo with her head positioned right below the torch of freedom and the light of liberty. Don't embarrass yourself by missing the entire meaning and intent of the photo or else find another one. RobSFree Kyle! 13:11, 22 October 2020 (EDT)
Apparently I wasn't able to save a cropped version of the photo to my downloads. My next bet would be a cropped YouTube screenshot; are those allowed to be uploaded to CP? —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Thursday, 14:37, 22 October 2020 (EDT)
I'm fairly certain yes. What part did you want to crop off? RobSFree Kyle! 15:08, 22 October 2020 (EDT)
How's this version? It brings the propaganda value into even greater focus. RobSFree Kyle! 15:14, 22 October 2020 (EDT)
Li-Ming Yan.png
It seems okay; I was thinking about cropping off the propaganda part and just showing the head, though this would do if a brief summary ought to made on the "coincidental" alignment of her head right below the torch. Unfortunately, with the current poor formatting in that NYP article, I couldn't find any further details as to where the picture is from to help determine whether it was meant as propaganda. —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Thursday, 15:18, 22 October 2020 (EDT)
It's obviously propaganda, and it's mostly directed at a Chinese audience - both U.S. and in China. If you don't like it, I think there are better portrait photographs of her for the header of the article, and this could be saved for within the body of the article. Remember, she is an immigrant who was granted refugee status; when was the last time you heard of anyone granted refugee status from the CCP? RobSFree Kyle! 15:34, 22 October 2020 (EDT)
And no one is going to advertise or label it as 'propaganda", except U.S. and Chinese communists. RobSFree Kyle! 15:35, 22 October 2020 (EDT)
In that case, I suppose this picture can be put the side with a description, and I'll find a better one for an infobox template. —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Thursday, 15:39, 22 October 2020 (EDT)
This photo probably makes the boys in the Politburo's blood boil. She came to America to find freedom. She's the latest in a long line of refugees and scientists who came to America to escape oppression, beginning with Albert Einstein. RobSFree Kyle! 15:40, 22 October 2020 (EDT)
Okay, so I uploaded a cropped screenshot here; about the one you uploaded, I'm slightly confused about your point, so can you put that one in the page where you think is best and add a brief description? Thanks! —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Thursday, 15:49, 22 October 2020 (EDT)
She looks like a nerd. RobSFree Kyle! 16:18, 22 October 2020 (EDT)
Most of the pictures of her I found can arguably fit that description, and I prioritized on getting a good file that doesn't have any specifications prohibiting it from being used here. —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Thursday, 16:22, 22 October 2020 (EDT)

MPR request related to 2020 Senate election in Arizona

Hi RobSmith, can you put the following on MPR?

Two new polls show Sen. Martha McSally leading CCP-tied Mark Kelly in the 2020 U.S. Senate special election in Arizona by a narrow margin. [36] RCP moved their ranking for the race from “Leans Dem” to “Toss Up”. [37] Support McSally to finish McCain's Senate term!

Thank you! —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Saturday, 01:30, 24 October 2020 (EDT)

Content for the "In the News" Section

Hello Rob. Recently a Pakistani Muslim cleric by the name of Khadim Hussain Rizvi has made a nuclear threat against the United States. I believe this should be included in the "In the News Section" on Conservapedia.Bytemsbu (talk) 11:31, 1 November 2020 (EST)
Do you want to write up a thumbnail headline with a link and I can post it? RobSFree Kyle! 11:36, 1 November 2020 (EST)
Yes. We could do, "Pakistani Muslim Cleric threatens to nuke America, if it refuses to release Al-Qaeda terrorist"[[38]]Bytemsbu (talk) 12:03, 1 November 2020 (EST)

Important thing to post on MPR if not already so

Hi RobSmith, can you please put the following on MPR if not already so:

BREAKING: Gun sale numbers continue to break records. [39]

Thanks! —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Tuesday, 20:02, 2 November 2020 (EST)

Biden admits to voter fraud

This video needs to be included somewhere [[40]]. Biden himself admits to organizing "the biggest voter fraud organization in the history of the United States".Bytemsbu (talk) 18:48, 5 November 2020 (EST)
We got a whole subhead on it. [41] RobSFree Kyle! 18:58, 5 November 2020 (EST)
On the basis of all this and all the evidence coming out, this begs the question - what would you say about those on the Left who deny reality and not only publicly claim that voter fraud "doesn't exist", but also mock and ridicule those who bring up the subject and provide the evidence backing it up? Northwest (talk) 19:18, 5 November 2020 (EST)
That debate is behind us. The Biden Putsch is here. RobSFree Kyle! 19:23, 5 November 2020 (EST)
No, what I mean is specific people on the Left who resort to their ignorance of the truth and to denial of reality (with nothing to back up their claims) and childish name-calling and mockery against those who bring up the issue of voter fraud (and provide proof of it), regardless of where and when it happens. What can be said about that type? Northwest (talk) 19:38, 5 November 2020 (EST)
L::::You'll never convince them. Their objective is to take away your rights. RobSFree Kyle! 19:50, 5 November 2020 (EST)

MPR request regarding House Democrats freaking out

Hi RobSmith, can you please put the following on MPR, re-worded/improved if necessary:

House Democrats panic after suffering defeats they did not anticipate. [42]

Thank you! —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Friday, 21:33, 5 November 2020 (EST)

That one may be up already. RobSFree Kyle! 21:53, 5 November 2020 (EST)
Oh, okay. Thank you! —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Friday, 22:34, 5 November 2020 (EST)


The Washington Post is now attacking Schlafly here:, they somehow managed to know this wiki, and attack them. Can we expose them? - User:United States

Can you block 3 vandals

John Jacob Astor ‎Iago ‎RacismIsBadAsIsTrump are vandalizing the site. Can you block them? Sievert 81 (talk) 16:58, 20 November 2020 (EST)

talk page topic

I have added disputed as the claim isn't fully true/not true yet. If it turns out to be true (and there is voting fraud), I will remove the disputed.

Or if you want me to remove it now, I am willing to do so also.

Good days ~ Yeschayi

Michigan election fraud

You should contact the Trump Campaign to use that article as evidence in court. :) - User:United States

Picture needs to be changed for Obama

I think that the picture for the Obama article needs to be changed to this one [[43]]. Is it possible if you can upload this? Bytemsbu (talk) 23:51, 30 November 2020 (EST)
Have at it. [File:Bathroom Barry.png] That one makes him look like Sleepy Uncle Joe; I think this one gives him more personality. [44] RobSFree Kyle! 00:36, 1 December 2020 (EST)
I thought that only admins can change the pictures.Bytemsbu (talk) 18:22, 1 December 2020 (EST)
If the page isn't locked anybody can do it. RobSFree Kyle! 06:01, 2 December 2020 (EST)
Just as an update, I changed it yesterday.Bytemsbu (talk) 08:53, 2 December 2020 (EST)

Troll IP issue

There is a major issue that both me[1], Northwest, and Yeschayi[2] are dealing with. Can you please help us solve this urgent and major issue? My account would be locked forever, but, thankfully you unblocked our IPs. Sorry for any inconveniences. Feel free to discuss this issue in my talk page; I reply very often. Thanks! --United States (talk) 19:51, 2 December 2020 (EST)


Infobox needed for Tibet article

Hello Rob. I wanted to ask if you can create an infobox for the article on Tibet. Bytemsbu (talk) 14:02, 14 December 2020 (EST)
I borrowed the box from PRC cause I figured we don't have enough information to use on larger box, like at China. But if you think there is enough info to fill out the larger box, we can use that one, too. RobSFree Kyle! 14:27, 14 December 2020 (EST)
We also need to add flags for Tibet, East Turkestan, South Mongolia and Manchuria. [[45]],[[46]],[[47]],[[48].Bytemsbu (talk) 15:15, 14 December 2020 (EST)
Uploaded. RobSFree Kyle! 15:27, 14 December 2020 (EST)
For some reason when I add the flags the pixeling gets messed up. Bytemsbu (talk) 15:29, 14 December 2020 (EST)
Where are they being added? RobSFree Kyle! 15:31, 14 December 2020 (EST)
Does this look right? RobSFree Kyle! 15:35, 14 December 2020 (EST)
Yes it looks good now.Bytemsbu (talk) 15:40, 14 December 2020 (EST)

Moving a file title

Hi RobSmith, can you move the title of this file to "File:TheHill liberal comment section5.png" without leaving a redirect? Thanks! —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Sunday, 18:46, 20 December 2020 (EST)

Sorry to bother you again, but when uploading this file, I accidentally pressed the "enter" button when typing in the filename. Can you move the title to "File:TheHill liberal comment section6.png"? Thank you once again! —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Monday, 15:46, 21 December 2020 (EST)

Okay, I see you moved the file title. Thank you very much! —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Monday, 15:52, 21 December 2020 (EST)
I noticed you're not categorizing your uploads. Add them to Category:Fascism or Category:Fake News or some such cat. RobSFree Kyle! 15:55, 21 December 2020 (EST)
Alright, I'll add more category links to those uploads as appropriate. Thanks! —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Monday, 15:57, 21 December 2020 (EST)
Category:Liberal Deceit is another suggestion. RobSFree Kyle! 16:01, 21 December 2020 (EST)

Permission request for a collapse template

Hi RobSmith, can I have permission to create a template titled "Template:Warning collapse"? It can be useful for talk pages where certain types of not-so-appropriate comments/replies (such as those containing some profanity) can be hidden with the template rather than removed. Thanks! —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Tuesday, 16:22, 29 December 2020 (EST)

Good. Let's get on it. RobSFree Kyle! 16:28, 29 December 2020 (EST)
Alright, thanks! —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Tuesday, 16:30, 29 December 2020 (EST)
We don't keep profanity around on this site, we get rid of it and block the people who post it. This is a family friendly encyclopedia. DMorris (talk) 20:40, 31 December 2020 (EST)
Right. The collapse is for nonsense trolling. RobSFree Kyle! 03:49, 1 January 2021 (EST)
Frankly, I say get rid of the nonsense trolling outright. I don't even think Wikipedia keeps that nonsense around. This is not Otisberg Elementary School, home of the Fighting Rats. DMorris (talk) 11:39, 1 January 2021 (EST)
We want to ease off the banhammer somewhat, and show greater tolerance for people with mental and emotional defects. RobSFree Kyle! 17:07, 1 January 2021 (EST)
I think it really depends on what we're considering "trolling." Like if some fourth grader write "hi! :) <3" on an article one time from her elementary school's computer network, the addition needs to go, but we don't need to block her account immediately, shut down the whole /24 range for Sarasota County Schools for 5 years, and send something to the IS director recommending they identify her and use corporal punishment (which doesn't happen there) on the lonely little girl who was just curious about editing a wiki. I would also say that we shouldn't ban every person who says something liberal on the site. That said, users who post abusive comments directed at other editors, or repeatedly break our rules, should disappear. DMorris (talk) 21:04, 17 January 2021 (EST)

MPR mention on Letlow's tragic death?

Hi RobSmith, do you suppose you can put the following on MPR, improvised if need be?

BREAKING: Congressman-elect Luke Letlow is dead from the coronavirus while having suffered a heart attack in a hospital. [49] Our prayers are with his wife and young children.

Sorry I forgot to ask you about this last night. Thanks! —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Wednesday, 12:43, 30 December 2020 (EST)

Images for Balochistan and Afghanistan

Hello Rob. Can you please upload this image of the Baloch flag. [[50]].Bytemsbu (talk) 19:05, 2 January 2021 (EST)
And additionally, I think the map for Afghanistan needs to be changed to this [[51]]Bytemsbu (talk) 19:11, 2 January 2021 (EST)
Done and Done. RobSFree Kyle!
Can I also have these images uploaded [[52]],[[53]],[[54]].Bytemsbu (talk) 22:29, 2 January 2021 (EST)
Done, I think. 00:37, 3 January 2021 (EST)

The case for pre-emptive blocks of the CCPSHILL socks

All of his content is copied and pasted from Leftypedia, a pro-Communist propaganda site Here's the evidence:

[55] and [56]

[57] and [58]

[59] and [60]

[61] and [62]

[63] and [64]

[65] and [66]

[67] and [68]

Every one of these edits is identical to the Leftypedia page. If you look in the revision history, this is also what all of the other socks of CCPSHILL have been doing. It's just the source code copied and pasted. I rest my case. Shobson20 (talk) 17:45, 3 January 2021 (EST)

This sock account maker is already known to Karajou and other moderators. Shobson20 (talk) 14:59, 4 January 2021 (EST)

Socks are a dime a dozen. Account names are meaningless. RobSFree Kyle! 15:02, 4 January 2021 (EST)
When account creation comes back on, new accounts suddenly get made rapidly. The user creation log [69] shows 10 accounts being made within 10 minutes and it's always the same pattern of vandalism. These are clearly the same person. Shobson20 (talk) 16:19, 4 January 2021 (EST)
Yep. I know. I'm washing my hands of the problem. Nobody wants to deal with the fundamental reforms needed. Sorry for harassing you. RobSFree Kyle! 16:26, 4 January 2021 (EST)

Antique Maps of Balochistan

Can you upload these antique maps of Balochistan [[70]], [[71]]. Thanks. Bytemsbu (talk) 11:11, 4 January 2021 (EST)
Both images are the same. RobSFree Kyle! 14:50, 4 January 2021 (EST)
Here. RobSFree Kyle! 15:08, 4 January 2021 (EST)
Here's the other. Sorry, I see they are two different maps. RobSFree Kyle! 21:10, 4 January 2021 (EST)
Thanks Rob.Bytemsbu (talk) 21:37, 4 January 2021 (EST)

Pictures for Bloomberg and Bernie Sanders

I believe that we need to change the pictures of Bloomberg and Sanders to these [[72]], [[73]],[[74]]. Bytemsbu (talk) 12:30, 8 January 2021 (EST)
For the first one on Bloomberg, we have a cropped version here. The other two are files from the Associated Press, so we can't upload them here. —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Friday, 12:41, 8 January 2021 (EST)

U.S. Color Revolution

I was thinking, for the U.S. Color Revolution article, in the infobox at the top of the article in the "Commanders" section on the American people side of the infobox, could Donald Trump and those allied with him be added into that section? Northwest (talk) 12:50, 9 January 2021 (EST)

Very good question. Let's wait a few days to see how this plays out. The next move is up to Trump. RobSFree Kyle! 12:51, 9 January 2021 (EST)
If Trump is ousted on January 20, it could be misconstrued as a Marxist win; however the anti-Marxist counterrevolutionay Resistance movement is only forming at this moment. RobSFree Kyle! 12:53, 9 January 2021 (EST)

Parler Ban

What did Parler do to get banned? I'm confused as I only just found out that Apple, Google and Amazon banned it. --Yeschayi (talk) 11:22, 11 January 2021 (EST)

It's part of the insurgent activity to disrupt conservative lines of communication. RobSFree Kyle! 11:26, 11 January 2021 (EST)
That would make sense as Amazon, Apple and Google are Joe Biden supporting companies, i'm quite sure that they hate Donald Trump. --Yeschayi (talk) 11:28, 11 January 2021 (EST)
If Trump were to invoke the Insurrection Act, it's an attempt to prevent the Commander-in-Chief from communicating with the American people. RobSFree Kyle! 11:31, 11 January 2021 (EST)

Its true that.

Ilhan Omar said people protesting in support of Trump are basically members of the KKK.

It says this on the article "Omar believes that Americans who participate in Trump rallies are members of the Ku Klux Klan." --Yeschayi (talk) 19:38, 11 January 2021 (EST)

Then put it in the Ilhan Pmar. article. That has absolutely nothing to do with the real KKK, and CP is not in the business of manufacturing or spreading false and defamatory information. RobSFree Kyle! 19:47, 11 January 2021 (EST)
What is Ilhan Pmar?
It's a Microsoft Ergonomic keyboard. They put the P where the O used to be. RobSFree Kyle! 16:44, 12 January 2021 (EST)

China must be stopped

Do you agree --Punish Joe Biden 09:30, 15 January 2021 (EST)

China should be liberated. RobSFree Kyle! 15:40, 15 January 2021 (EST)

Protection removal request

Hi RobSmith, can you please remove the protection from Template:Dictator bio? I'm noticing in its usage here that some improvements can be made, such as putting the name above the image and adjusting the margins. Thanks! —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Sunday, 00:03, 17 January 2021 (EST)

Alright, I moved the name section to the top, improved the margins, and made the "death", "deathmanner", and "burial" parameters optional. So what do you think about my changes? —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Sunday, 00:37, 17 January 2021 (EST)
Looks good. RobSFree Kyle! 01:24, 17 January 2021 (EST)
Awesome! I also put a slight spacing for the top and bottom margins of the image, and further emboldened the name section due to the somewhat dark red background color. —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Sunday, 01:29, 17 January 2021 (EST)

Please unprotect Category:Tobacco Products

Please unprotect Category:Tobacco Products. Thanks in advance.--Amorrow (talk) 03:06, 21 January 2021 (EST)

Sorry, I must of screwed up the first time. RobSFree Kyle! 03:16, 21 January 2021 (EST)
Could you unprotect everything in Category:Pages Proposed For Unlocking please?--Amorrow (talk) 03:59, 21 January 2021 (EST)
Done, I think. Let me know if you have any problems. RobSFree Kyle! 04:29, 21 January 2021 (EST)
Could you also process Category:Deletion candidates please?--Amorrow (talk) 04:53, 21 January 2021 (EST)
It might have to wait til tomorrow. Looks like some time has to be set aside for it. RobSFree Kyle! 05:01, 21 January 2021 (EST)

Jesus' possible Death Date

Some people believe it could be Friday, April 3, A.D. 33. --Yeschayi ~ Lets Chat! (talk) 03:28, 21 January 2021 (EST)possible

I don't know; I heard Jesus was probably born about 4 B.C., or maybe it was 4 A.D., so the Anno Domini dating is probably off. RobSFree Kyle! 03:33, 21 January 2021 (EST)
His birth date is around 4 AD or 5 AD. However I don't really know. --Yeschayi ~ Lets Chat! (talk) 03:35, 21 January 2021 (EST)
Yes, and I've also heard it was probably April-May. or possibly September. RobSFree Kyle! 03:46, 21 January 2021 (EST)
Theres multiple dates when he could have been born, so its hard to tell. --Yeschayi ~ Lets Chat! (talk) 03:53, 21 January 2021 (EST)

Edit request

Please see Template talk:Mainpageleft#Edit request.--Amorrow (talk) 04:28, 21 January 2021 (EST)

Hi there.

What is the upload right? I never heard of it before. --Yeschayi ~ Lets Chat! (talk) 04:44, 21 January 2021 (EST)

Uploading images. RobSFree Kyle! 04:46, 21 January 2021 (EST)
How do people get it? --Yeschayi ~ Lets Chat! (talk) 04:48, 21 January 2021 (EST)
We've had idiots from that great font of scientific and rational thinking, Ratholewiki, trying to persuade people of their genius by uploading pornography. So now the rest of humanity has to earn those rights rather than be extended any good faith. RobSFree Kyle! 04:52, 21 January 2021 (EST)
RationalWiki? --Yeschayi ~ Lets Chat! (talk) 05:08, 21 January 2021 (EST)
Yep. They serve humanity by creating anger, suspicion and mistrust. You know, from each as he is able, to each according to his need (hey, get on Marx's case for his gender-insensitive language, not me, please._ RobSFree Kyle! 05:18, 21 January 2021 (EST)

Please unprotect everything in Category:Image

Please unprotect everything in Category:Image. I am consolidating in Category:Images. It is only about 2500 Files.--Amorrow (talk) 07:23, 22 January 2021 (EST)

Admin maintenance

Please monitor Category:Pages Proposed For Unlocking and service those requests, preferably daily at least.--Amorrow (talk) 07:30, 22 January 2021 (EST)

Thanks Rob

Thank you.--Amorrow (talk) 10:17, 22 January 2021 (EST)

How do people get the night time edit right?

Is there a certain requirement? --Yeschayi ~ Lets Chat! (talk) 11:25, 22 January 2021 (EST)

Honestly, I have no idea. RobSFree Kyle! 17:07, 22 January 2021 (EST)

You are beating your head against the wall

Please see User talk:Amorrow#Images. Just ask and I can help you set up the tools on your computer.--Amorrow (talk) 21:31, 22 January 2021 (EST)

Facebook supports immature leftists.

Facebook allowed users to celebrate Ashli Babbitt's death, what a terrible thing to do. --Donald Yeschayi (talk) 13:08, 24 January 2021 (EST)

[75] RobSFree Kyle! 14:15, 24 January 2021 (EST)

Template permission request regarding tables

Hi RobSmith, can I have permission to create a basic template titled "Template:(!"? The idea is that I'm trying to improve Template:Officeholder by adding a frame around the image to make it look better, but doing so would require putting a table in a parser function. If I directly use {|, it will break the template because the pipe would automatically define the parameters within {{#if:}}. Thanks! —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Sunday, 15:26, 24 January 2021 (EST)

Geez, I wish I understood a word of what you just said, but, sure, go ahead, why not? RobSFree Kyle! 15:29, 24 January 2021 (EST)
Thanks! —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Sunday, 15:29, 24 January 2021 (EST)
Success! So the idea is that pipes are used to divide parameters. This can mean dividing parameters when linking, dividing parameters in templates, or dividing paremeters in parser functions. However, when putting a link in a parser function, the pipe will only act as a divider for the parameters in the parser function. In the latter circumstance, the pipe must be used as a transclusion in order for it to function as a divider for the parameters within the link. This appears to be the same way when adding a table within a parser function; any direct pipe character within it will divide the function parameters, so {| can't be used. However, similar to how the pipe character can be transcluded using {{!}}, {| can now be transcluded using {{(!}} to start a table in a parser function. The table can be ended using {{userboxbottom}}, which transcludes |}. —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Sunday, 15:51, 24 January 2021 (EST)
Test on Monday? RobSFree Kyle! 17:14, 24 January 2021 (EST)
Nah, there isn't a test coming up on how templates in wikis work. —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Sunday, 17:17, 24 January 2021 (EST)
What will all the Keystone pipeline workers do if they don't learn to code? RobSFree Kyle! 17:33, 24 January 2021 (EST)

Peacetime Flag

Apparently the real flag of the United States is actually what is called the "Peacetime Flag" which was designed in 1799 by John Wolcott. There are even pictures of Americans flying the Peacetime flag after the end of WW1.[[76]]Bytemsbu (talk) 11:43, 27 January 2021 (EST)