Talk:Conservative of the Year 2022

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Elon Musk

Elon Musk is going to be somewhat/largely constrained by corporate advertisers. But there are alternatives to the major brands run by liberals beginning to rise which Steve Turley recently commented on. See: The Parallel Economy Is EXPLODING.

In addition, the world is turning into more a multipolar world so the USA/Western liberal corporations/governments are going to become powerful.

At the end of the day, maybe Elon Musk seriously harming Twitter financially may be the best thing that comes out of him taking over Twitter. Similarweb.com says Twitter is the 4rth most popular website in the world.[1] But hopefully, it will somewhat increase free speech in the USA and lower the alliance between big tech and big government such as the Twitter blocking the Hunter Biden story shortly before the 2022 election. MarkLM8 (talk) 19:37, November 19, 2022 (EST)

A $44 billion net loss carry forward when he sells Twitter for scrap would pretty much guarantee the world's richest man being tax-free for life. And the IRS would have difficulty proving it was sham investment. RobSGive Peace a chance 19:50, November 19, 2022 (EST)
I still think that Musk should remain on the list for the following reasons: (1) He announced he voted for a Republican (Mayra Flores) for the first time; (2) He encouraged his massive following to vote Republican; and (3) He unblocked Donald Trump.--TheNewRight (talk) 21:30, November 19, 2022 (EST)
He is an agnostic libertarian who has been divorced three times. He also had the very liberal Amber Heard as a girlfriend. He is not a conservative. But he is a very hardworking and a job creator. He is also for free speech to some degree.
In November 6, 2022, the corporate cancer of the problem of censorship remains and it is probably due to not wanting to lose corporate advertisers.[2]
RT.com: "Social media platform Twitter has made good on its warnings and slashed 50% of its workforce, the company’s head of safety and integrity Yoel Roth announced in a tweet on Saturday. “Yesterday’s reduction in force affected approximately 15% of our Trust & Safety organization (as opposed to approximately 50% cuts company-wide), with our front-line moderation staff experiencing the least impact,” he tweeted, emphasizing that the team responsible for monitoring and preventing misinformation and harmful content on the platform has remained largely intact. According to Roth, battling misinformation on the platform will remain a top priority for Twitter. The same goal was emphasized by the company’s new owner, billionaire Elon Musk, in his own tweet."[3] MarkLM8 (talk) 22:52, November 19, 2022 (EST)
How do we know you're not giving us misinformation? RobSGive Peace a chance 22:57, November 19, 2022 (EST)
I cited RT.com and a right-winger. But if you want to believe it is misinformation, go right ahead.
Elon Musk knows technology and is an innovator. But he also has Asperger's so perhaps being the owner of a social media company is not the best fit for him.[4] MarkLM8 (talk) 23:06, November 19, 2022 (EST)
Now wait a minute, if say RT looks good, I'm a Putin stooge. If I say it looks bad, I'm a Russophobe. Maybe I don't want to play that game. RobSGive Peace a chance 23:39, November 19, 2022 (EST)
Well, he's made Pollyanna...er, AOC look like the fool she is on Twitter on several occasions, so that's a start. Northwest (talk) 23:18, November 19, 2022 (EST)

Amber Heard and Elon Musk had a romantic relationship and a picture is provided. Amber Heard is a liberal bisexual.[5] Musk has been divorced three times (Two times with the same person).[6][7] MarkLM8 (talk) 23:14, November 19, 2022 (EST)

Oh, so if she didn't crap in his bed, that means there's no animosity and possibly a lingering relationship? I'm really getting confused now by this reasoning. RobSGive Peace a chance 23:43, November 19, 2022 (EST)

Elon Musk quote: "I'm somewhere in the middle, socially liberal and fiscally conservative."[8] Musk is a libertarian. MarkLM8 (talk) 23:16, November 19, 2022 (EST)

5 reasons why Elon Musk should not be conservative of the year

Here are 5 reasons why Elon Musk should not be conservative of year:

1. On July 14, 2018, Elon Musk said, "To be clear, I am not a conservative."[9] Are we to believe that he became a conservative in the last 4 years? I don't think so. And he certainly hasn't called himself a conservative in the last 4 years.

2. Elon Musk does not believe in the existence of God because he is an agnostic. Here is a video: Elon Musk is an agnostic

3. In 2017, Elon Musk broke up with his bisexual, liberal girlfriend Amber Heard who is a Hollywood actress. Amber Heard said, "I will never be a religious person". In 2018, Elon Musk broke up with Amber Heard a second time.

4. On November 7, 2022, Elon Musk said, "And I’m open to the idea of voting Democrat again in the future."[10] Does any person believe that the Democrats are largely going to be conservatives in Elon Musk's lifetime? I very much doubt Musk believes that.

5. On November 7, 2022, Elon Musk said, "I am neither conventionally right nor left, but I agree with your point."[11] Why would Conservapedia pick someone who is not even on the right side of the political spectrum to be conservative of the year? Conservapedians might was well pick the political moderate Mitch McConnell to be the conservative of the year if they are going to pick a moderate to be the conservative of the year. Conservative (talk) 23:06, December 21, 2022 (EST)

Agreed. It's my observation that "Conservative of the Year" has increasingly become less about exemplifications of consistent traditional conservative principles grounded in Judeo-Christian morality, and instead views whatever greatest perceived contemporary obstacle against the neo-Marxist left, whether authentic or expedient, as the de jure figurehead for the conservative movement's future. Given that Musk is known as a flip-flopping, self-admittedly promiscuous, clout-obsessed, opportunistic, abortion-financing, Satanism-promoting, self-described liberal, I think his record speaks for itself. —LT (Exodus 23:2) Thursday, 23:30, December 21, 2022 (EST)

Nominations

I think that I can add many nominations such as

They all look good. RobSGive Peace a chance 23:37, November 19, 2022 (EST)

I want also add Kris Kobach for his victory in Kansas attorney general election, despite liberal overspent to defeat him --Alex Kosh (talk) 23:40, November 19, 2022 (EST)

I think the 5 U.S. Supreme Court Justices that clearly ruled in favor of oveturning Roe vs. Wade should win in 2022. "The majority opinion, authored by Justice Samuel Alito, was joined by Justices Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett. Chief Justice John Roberts filed an opinion concurring in the judgement, in which he advocated for a more narrow ruling."[12] Maybe the 6th judge John Roberts should be left out of winning. Andy Schlafy would know better than I whether Roberts should be left out since he probably knows more about the ruling than I do. MarkLM8 (talk) 03:28, November 20, 2022 (EST)
The advantage of giving the 5 U.S. Supreme Court Justices instead of just giving Clarence Thomas the award is that Samuel Alito is deserving of the award just was much as Clarence Thomas. Overturning Roe vs. Wade was a long sought over and hard fought goal of conservatives so the 5 U.S. Supreme Court Justices should win. Alternatively, The Federalist Society or Donald Trump should win since they both were responsible for more conservative SCOTUS judges. In retrospect, maybe giving the award to the Federalist Society might be the way to go since they were most responsible for overturning Roe vs. Wade. MarkLM8 (talk) 09:47, November 20, 2022 (EST)
Alito was strong in the running last year, and for a couple years now, I think. RobSGive Peace a chance 10:26, November 20, 2022 (EST)
How's this: We give recognition to Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas, and Amy Coney Barrett {Kavanagh we could debate). Brian Kemp I'd toss out (Stacy Abrams & Beto seem to have made careers out of losing). RobSGive Peace a chance 10:35, November 20, 2022 (EST)
I took down Kemp. Also, if we're going to have Youngkin up there, we might as well have Tulsi Gabbard. They're YGL alum. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:47, November 21, 2022 (EST)

DeSantis

I think that Ron DeSantis is a clear frontrunner. Under his leadership, he promoted Conservative policies despite massive opposition from liberals, the Mainstream Media, and RINOs. Despite constant criticism, he won reelection in a historic landslide, transforming Florida into a borderline safe Republican state. He also provided coattails for down ballot Republicans, giving Republicans control of all statewide offices for the first time in more than a century, as well as 4 additional Republican United States Representatives.--TheNewRight (talk) 18:12, November 20, 2022 (EST)

It's going to be funny in a year or two, after Trump gets JFK'd by the deep state, to see all these DeSantis trash talkers flip or walk back all their previous statements, or better yet, push some other loser. RobSGive Peace a chance 11:59, December 24, 2022 (EST)
Not me. I would immediately point to DeSantis as a prime suspect.--Geopolitician (talk) 13:14, December 24, 2022 (EST)
Yah I figured that. What loser would you prefer? It's a tall order to defeat Biden or Kamala, even with ballot box stuffing. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:37, December 24, 2022 (EST)

I favor either Zeldin or Youngkin for Conservative of the Year

Both of them follow a more reasonable path of conservatism as opposed to the excesses of populist demagoguery demonstrated by the rest of the contenders. Youngkin and Zeldin have made strong Republican inroads in blue states and symbolize the practical future of the GOP. —LT (The Old Right was right!) Thursday, 19:24, November 23, 2022 (EST)

What is definition of populist demagoguery? --Alex Kosh (talk) 13:27, November 30, 2022 (EST)

Sam Alito wins, no question.

Our article on Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization rightly says (with Mr. Schlafly's endorsement, might I add), Dobbs was the biggest victory for the pro-life and conservative legal movements in over 50 years. It ended the mass slaughter of innocent unborn life. Alito has saved millions of unborn lives. He delivered the largest conservative victory in over 50 years. While he did it with some assistance from Donald Trump, he did not appoint any SCOTUS justices this year. MayGodBless (talk) 20:13, November 26, 2022 (EST)

I agree Sam Alito and Clarence Thomas both deserve to win this year. After disappointment of Kansas, Kentucky, Montana and Michigan referendums on abortion. Conservatives need to push back and celebrate those who overturn evil Roe v Wade. --Alex Kosh (talk) 13:24, November 30, 2022 (EST)

I believe that Justice Alito alone should get the title. Yes, Justice Thomas wrote a stellar concurring opinion, but he was unable to persuade a single other justice to join it. Only Justice Alito was able to craft an opinion that got 5 votes to stop legalized murder. Conservative of the Year is not an award for the most Conservative person that year. If this were the case, how did President Donald Trump win the award? He is a Conservative, but he is not the most conservative person. For example, he supports part of the homosexual agenda. It is for the person who gets the most Conservative results that year. This year, that man is indisputably Justice Samuel Alito. MayGodBless (talk) 13:37, December 6, 2022 (EST)
The reason why I add Justice Thomas because he said that he would target Obergefell v. Hodges next. This is something that conservatives should all support. They need to push back after congress codify Same sex marriage --Alex Kosh (talk) 18:40, December 9, 2022 (EST)
But that is something in the future, not this year. When he, by the grace of God, succeeds, then we ca talk about awarding him the title of Conservative of the Year. But not in 2022. MayGodBless (talk) 11:28, December 15, 2022 (EST)
Atleast Justice Thomas has courage to talk about it, it rare for conservatives today to push back against homosexual agendas --Alex Kosh (talk) 17:52, December 19, 2022 (EST)

A problem with picking a Supreme Court Justice now is that conservative populism is the political movement of the year, and justices don't really fit that mold.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 00:45, December 22, 2022 (EST)

I disagree, the most great conservative thing happened this year is overturning Roe v Wade, since election this year wasnt our favorite --Alex Kosh (talk) 22:00, December 23, 2022 (EST)
Conservapedia can pick a populist down the pike, but pick Alito in 2022. There will be no shortage of right-wing populism when the energy crisis becomes more severe in Europe and more illegal/legal immigrants pour into Europe. It's already happened in Italy and Sweden (Sweden Democrats). And European right-wing populism will influence the USA. Within 1-3 presidential election cycles in France, France will probably have a right-wing government. A midpoint estimate projects that by 2050, France will be 17.4% Muslim.[13] This is going to make the native French population hopping mad. Conservative (talk) 01:57, December 24, 2022 (EST)
I agree. At the end of 2022, the state of the MAGA movement is in utter chaos. 2023 would be a far better year in which to make "the resurgence of populism" a theme, as during the next 365 days we'll be seeing many of the ongoing battles for influence be settled.--Geopolitician (talk) 13:17, December 24, 2022 (EST)
The term "populist" is actually a pejorative for people with an IQ of 86 who still have the right to vote. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:47, December 24, 2022 (EST)

Three Frontrunners

Hello! I think that Ron DeSantis, Justice Alito, and Elon Musk are the three obvious frontrunners. Any thoughts?--TheNewRight (talk) 21:45, December 14, 2022 (EST)

I like the collective conservative members of the Supreme Court (minus Roberts and possibly whoever), Doug MacGregor for his courage against prevailing headwinds, and Rand Paul for a variety of reasons (Fauci, Ukraine, etc.). RobSGive Peace a chance 00:52, December 15, 2022 (EST)
Elon Musk is a libertarian and not a conservative. There is a lot of pro-Trump and anti-Desantis sentiments at the wiki so DeSantis is out. Both Conservative SCOTUS judges minus Roberts or Rand Paul make sense.
Doug MacGregor appeared on Russia Today and he takes Russia's position in the Russia-Ukraine War. I will explain why I am against MacGregor being the conservative of the year. George Washington said "It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world." I take the position that the USA should not take any position in the Russia-Ukraine War as both sides are corrupt/authoritarian and Putin is hated by some of our allies (For example, the UK has met their NATO obligations so I would consider the UK to be an ally and not merely a protectorate. Also, Poland will raise defence spending to the equivalent of 5% of GDP, ruling party chairman Jarosław Kaczyński has announced so they are an ally and not a protectorate.) I argue that the Europeans who have a population of 446.8 million should handle the Ukraine issue since it is in their backyard. In addition, Europe has been slackers for decades in terms of their defense. After the dust settles, given the threat of China that will exist for awhile (unfair trade practices, intellectual property theft, their increasing agression in the China Sea, exporting of authoritarian systems/technology to other countries and their threats against Taiwan), it makes sense for the USA to have friendlier relations with Russia after the Russia-Ukraine War settles. China poses a temporary threat as it has the worst aging population problem in the world and a ton of debt so their economy is headed for trouble. Conservative (talk) 13:20, December 15, 2022 (EST)
Europeans can't handle the Ukraine war cause the United States started the war, and both EU & NATO take orders from the United States. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:45, December 15, 2022 (EST)
All your Ukrainian troll bots just got banned from Twitter, so you're going to need new talking points. RobSGive Peace a chance 18:00, December 15, 2022 (EST)
I think the Twitter files, especially those released today, dispels the notion that MacGregor "takes Russia's position" or is a Putin stooge, and demonstrates the extent of deep state and mass media brainwashing infiltrating the conservative movement and even into Conservedia. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:11, December 17, 2022 (EST)
This makes no sense: you begin quoting George Washington, "It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world." Then proceed to say how sacred and holy the NATO alliance is with Britain, Poland and others. Doug MacGregor holds up the words of Washington, not Putin. RobSGive Peace a chance 03:44, December 17, 2022 (EST)
Why would DeSantis be out? Just because some people prefer him over Trump? He has had an extraordinary year as Governor of Florida, pushing Conservative legislation, such as parental rights in schools, despite strong backlash from the Left and from the media. As for Musk, as stated above, this is not about who is the most Conservative, which he is clearly not, but about who has been the most successful or effective at pushing Conservatism and / or resisting Leftism. I agree that Justice Alito should probably be the Conservative of the Year, with DeSantis as the 1st Runner-Up and Musk as the 2nd Runner-Up. Also, I will be creating the RINO of the Year, 2022 page soon. Thanks!--TheNewRight (talk) 15:00, December 15, 2022 (EST)
Thanks. I'll be posting my opinions there as well.--Geopolitician (talk) 00:44, December 22, 2022 (EST)
Read: Desantisites. But if push comes to shove and DeSantis runs against Biden, I would vote for DeSantis. Conservative (talk) 15:03, December 15, 2022 (EST)
I agree that some of DeSantis's supporters are establishment / RINO Republicans. However, DeSantis has had many Conservative accomplishments this year. Examples: Florida Parental Rights in Education Act; House Bill 395, which mandates that schools teach about the oppression of Communism; SB 1054, which requires high school students to take a financial literacy course, making Florida the largest state to do so; stood up to Fauci / vaccine supporters on many occasions; decided against ordering COVID vaccines for children younger than 5 years old, making Florida the only state not to preorder vaccines for young children; signed a pro-Republican house map, resulting in 4 additional Republicans in the House; won re-election in a historic landslide, winning the traditionally Democratic strongholds of Miami-Beach County, Osceola County, and Palm Beach County.--TheNewRight (talk) 16:05, December 15, 2022 (EST)

I agree with Alito and Musk being in the top two, but would not rank DeSantis that high.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 22:31, December 15, 2022 (EST)

I personally would rank DeSantis high for RINO of the Year. What do you think, Andy?--Geopolitician (talk) 01:25, December 22, 2022 (EST)
Since Alito wrote the majority opinion in an assertive manner that overturned Roe vs. Wade, I think he should win. Musk is only partially conservative since he ia a libertarian and not a conservative. Conservative (talk) 10:26, December 17, 2022 (EST)
Colonel Doug MacGregor is a more important figure than I thought. He not only wants the USA to take a wiser approach to the Russia-Ukraine War, but he also wants to restructure the USA military and reorder its priorities/strategies in way that will that would be very good reforms (see: Odessa falls and Ukraine becomes a landlocked country - Colonel Doug MacGregor). But the sad, cold, hard reality is that he is very much in the minority as far as influential people and he will not be listened to in the foreseeable future. Maybe the USA will learn from its foreign policy and military strategy mistakes sooner rather than later, but I would not count on it. Conservative (talk) 20:04, December 17, 2022 (EST)
He's off the Twitter blacklist. People can link to him now. RobSGive Peace a chance 20:06, December 17, 2022 (EST)
And the Ukro troll bots have been reined in - the propaganda mess created by CIA/NATO has been slapped down. Mass brainwashing has been curbed, for a while , at least. RobSGive Peace a chance 20:09, December 17, 2022 (EST)
ehh, that didn't last long. Ukro aid critics are being censored again. RobSGive Peace a chance 21:07, December 22, 2022 (EST)
My only thinking on the matter is, we should not reward someone who supports the insane Ukraine war policy, which then either favors a judge (or judges) or an outspoken critic of the insanity. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:09, December 22, 2022 (EST)

Geopolitician's two sense

Alright, time to (finally) participate in a Conservative of the Year discussion after nearly six years of being a member of this wiki. Stay tuned, I'm compiling my opinions now and I've got a lot of catching up to do.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:49, December 21, 2022 (EST)

Here we go.
  • Samuel Alito- Yes. Writing the majority opinion overturning Roe v. Wade, would make him a candidate for Conservative of the Decade, much less Conservative of the Year.
  • Elon Musk- Ugh. He's such a contrarian. One moment he's a libertarian, another moment he's advocating that we be more like the CCP. And then take into account him backing DeSantis for 2024, while for some odd reason not voting at all in the midterms. I'm leaning toward a no.
  • Douglas MacGregor- Yes. He may or may not be a conservative outside of foreign policy, but his hardline stance against the Ukraine war is highly commendable.
  • Ashley Moody- No. Getting re-elected by a large margin is not noteworthy in and of itself.
  • Ron DeSantis- NO.
  • Donald Trump- Yes, but not because of his record in the midterms. That's peanuts compared to being persecuted by the Deep State for purely political reasons.
  • Marjorie Taylor Greene- A few days ago I would've been a yes, but her recent comments comparing opponents of Kevin McCarthy to NeverTrumpers was way out of line. For this reason I'm now a no.
  • Clarence Thomas- Yes, although he is clearly overshadowed by Alito on the Roe v. Wade overturn.
  • Neil Gorsuch- Yes, for proving me wrong. I feared he would capitulate and vote to keep Roe v. Wade.
  • Brett Kavanaugh- Yes, see above.
  • Amy Coney Barrett- Yes, see above.
  • Federalist Society- No. They have a history of recommending judges who turn out to be flakes. The fact that their picks for SCOTUS happened to vote the right way on overturning Roe v. Wade doesn't change that.
  • Rick Scott- No. He may have challenged McConnell, but he did it once it was too late to change the outcome of the midterms. He should've stood up to McConnell much earlier.
  • Dinesh D'Souza- Yes. The release of 2,000 Mules was a significant event for conservatism in 2022, even if you don't agree with everything it says.
  • Rand Paul- Yes. His hardline stance against both COVID tyranny and the Ukraine war make him a top candidate in my book. He's also my first choice for Trump's running mate in 2024.
  • Lee Zeldin- Yes. Not a fan of him, but his near-win in New York cannot be ignored.
  • Mark Robinson- No. His statements against gay marriage didn't get enough national attention make him competitive with some of the other choices on the list.
  • Canadian Freedom Convoy Protestors- Yes, for obvious reasons.
  • JD Vance- Yes. From best-selling author to subject of Academy Award-nominated movie to Senator, this guy is going places. Also, he's solid on most of the major issues.
  • Joe Lombardo- Yes. He was the only Republican to flip a governorship this year, and he did it in a state that hasn't voted GOP in a presidential election in nearly 20 years. That's significant.
  • Greg Abbott- Yes. I may not be the biggest fan of him, but his confrontation with Beto O'Rourke at that press conference on the Uvalde shooting cannot be ignored.
  • Viktor Orban- Yes. The Deep State and their allies in Poland and Ukraine tried to oust him this year over his stances on the Ukraine war, but he survived. That alone makes him a top contender in my book.
  • Kari Lake- Yes. She got played dirty by the GOP Establishment and quite possibly the Arizonan Department of State. She's one of my top choices for Trump's VP pick in 2024.
  • Harriet Hageman- Yes, because of how significant of a figure her opponent was.
  • Ron Johnson- No. His actions on January 6 show that he is nothing more than an opportunist, and that his recent "maverick" political moves likely were calculated and insincere.
  • Marco Rubio- No. He's highly overrated and I personally believe he should be in prison for helping Obama decieve the world into believing he was arming moderate rebels in Libya and Syria.
  • Mike Lawler- I don't know who he is, so I'll abstain.
  • Giorgia Meloni- No. She almost immediately sold out to the Russophobic warmongers once elected, which is a disqualifier in my book.
  • Kris Kobach- I don't know the details of his political comeback, so I'll abstain.
  • Glenn Youngkin- Right now I'm leaning toward a no. Not only is he possibly challenging Trump in 2024 but he is also now facing allegations of collaborating with corrupt law enforcement officials to persecute conservative critics of his policies.
  • Kyrsten Sinema- No. She's not going at the DNC hard like Tulsi Gabbard did when she left the party earlier this year. In fact, I would replace Sinema with Gabbard on this list.--Geopolitician (talk) 00:27, December 22, 2022 (EST)

LT's input

Ron Johnson? Sure, since his blunt style and streak of victory over the left leaves a good legacy for the conservative movement to emulate? "D.C. prisoners"? A hard no, because a) it's not even properly clarified specifically who (all of them, or some?), b) some probably are the violent criminals rather than peaceful protesters, and c) it's not a good example to hastily martyr loosely defined collectives simply because they are victims of one specific oppressor without analyzing the details of the individuals.

Justices Alito and Thomas? Sounds fair. Musk? No, as I've explained above in response to User:Conservative's similar criticisms of him. MacGregor? No, since he's a proponent of the great replacement hoax, which was invented by far-left progressives (conservationist Madison Grant and KKK Exalted Cyclops Lothrop Stoddard) and a prominent white supremacist canard. I even more strongly object to Orbán, since his horrendous demagoguery against "race-mixing" makes him sound more like a far-left Nazi (since, you know, National Socialists are on the political left) than any serious traditional right-winger. Racism is a form of socialism (since a "race" can be considered a social group), and therefore Orbán's racism technically means he's a socialist rather than a true right-winger.

Trump? No, since the large majority of his political activity this year reflects a desire to expediently boost his future prospects (essentially using the conservative movement to selfishly help himself) magnitudes more than representing a selfless devotion to the conservative movement. Greene? ...no, since she has a history of embarrassing gaffes sometimes to Biden levels, and thus is not an ideal figurehead for the movement.

Moody, Vance, Meloni, Kobach, Hageman, Lombardo, Rubio, and Lawler aren't notable merely for winning elections, IMO. For one, Moody and Rubio were basically guaranteed to win since Florida in general moved sharply to the right primarily due to DeSantis's coattails, and also because of drastically increasing pro-GOP shifts in Miami-Dade. —LT (Exodus 23:2) Thursday, 15:18, December 22, 2022 (EST)

(edit conflict) Appreciate your candor. Please tell us what you really think! That's what makes this debate fun and enlightening. I don't pretend to have the answer, and we still have a few days.
As feedback, I think the Supreme Court Justices are not populist enough in a populist year. Also, many of their rulings in favor of the Deep State and even deferring to the Fulton County prosecutor(!!) were harmful. Sen. Ron Johnson deserves more credit than he gets, and he hit all the right notes all year long.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 15:29, December 22, 2022 (EST)

D'Souza, Abbott, Sen, Johnson, 1/6 protesters

[EC] [EC] Whew, I'm very glad to hear that you're open to hearing my full honest thoughts, since you and I may have some strong differences in approaching the best way of advancing conservative values, especially whether populist appeals are compatible with conservatism itself (though ultimately, can strongly concur on the importance of preserving and advancing authentic conservative virtues). I still got a bit more to add on...
Meloni is unfortunately entangled with controversies over neofascism, and given her questionable history and unclear alleged repudiation of past terrible statements (please do correct me if her more recent assertions are contrary to my summary), it's better to take her credentials with a grain of salt for the time being.
D'Souza is a nice right-wing commentator, though at this point, his eager support for populist excesses may be more grounded in zealousness than wisdom. Abbott, maybe, since his tenure seems grounded in toughness, though it's debatable whether the strength of his gubernatorial decisions this year was due to political expediency as he faced a primary challenge from Allen West (that said, I'm only pointing this out because of possible reasons to doubt his authenticity based off what I heard earlier this year, since I myself didn't closely analyze his tenure nearly enough). —LT (Exodus 23:2) Thursday, 15:39, December 22, 2022 (EST)
Comment on DC political prisoners: there has been enough reporting on this to substantiate that virtually all were Capitol tourists, with a few being framed up on bogus charges because of their affiliation with a patriotic veterans group (in fact, there may have been racist motivations behind the prosecution of a black Cuban, Enrique Tarrio, who we documented being banned by Twitter/FBI a few years ago when he was running for Congress.) The few "violent criminals" as alleged, such as the alleged "Qanon Shaman" who really is an environmental activist, have been prosecuted already. The remainder sing the National Anthem nightly and this is an opportunity to remind the world they have not been forgotten. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:46, December 22, 2022 (EST)
As to Ron Johnson, he's a Ukronazi symp (Hummers are built in Oshkosh Wisconsin, which is why he voted for the MIC boondoggle). RobSGive Peace a chance 18:07, December 22, 2022 (EST)
Most of the still-persecuted 1/6 prisoners were the innocent peaceful protesters? Huh. Now, I think that the wording should be adjusted to specifically refer to the peaceful protesters, otherwise the ambiguity may lead readers to assume that it also includes the violent rioters.
Ron Johnson is a Ukronazsymp? Now you're reminding me of when I read parts of "The Nazi Hydra in America" by apparent commie Glen Yeadon (who promulgates 1930s-era Comintern propaganda claiming the GOP supports Nazis), where he accuses Nixon of serving the interests of Nazis in the post–World War II era. Can you please provide clear evidence that Sen. Johnson knowingly supports contemporary Ukrofascism? —LT (Exodus 23:2) Thursday, 18:49, December 22, 2022 (EST)

Trudeau protestors

The convoy protest crowd? I'm going to say no. I'm personally inclined to contend that, while the majority of it was peaceful and grounded in a reasonable reaction against Trudeau parafascism, there were nonetheless fringe extremists that had too much of a presence in the crowd and I'm not fully sure how much they were fully repudiated on the spot by the majority of presumed everyday, decent people. My larger concern deals with the theme of worldwide populist revolt against government that's turning towards a zealous, and often militant direction, which eerily parallels, if not actually is the manifestation of what's warned in 2 Thessalonians:
“ Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. ”

—2 Thessalonians 2:1–7

Related to worldwide populist protests, this biblical analysis by On Point Preparedness is an absolute must-watch for every Christian concerned with contemporary chaos in relation to end times prophecy. (please pardon me for almost sounding too much like a generic YouTube clickbait ad, though I'm seriously not exaggerating the emphasized importance) —LT (Exodus 23:2) Thursday, 15:48, December 22, 2022 (EST)

Lake

Kari Lake? She's following the hardline Trumpist style of stubborn, paramilitant (if not arguably militant), pararevolutionary, and ultrapopulist promulgation of blabbering blatherskite (yes, this term is a reference to a cartoon series). Maybe she's not nearly as bad-faith and fringe especially in comparison to party compatriots of the same populist stripe (the neo-Marxist left-wing efforts to tie her to "neo-Nazis" seems absolutely pathetic), and I personally don't care to object to her that much, though don't see much merit for her gaining even the runner-up, since she a) lost a race that could've been won on a more pragmatically-focused campaign, and b) almost seems to be following a Stacey Abrams–path of election trutherism, IMO. —LT (Exodus 23:2) Thursday, 16:04, December 22, 2022 (EST)
That's borderline blasphemy, to utter Kari Lake's name in the same sentence as Stacey Abrams. RobSGive Peace a chance 18:22, December 22, 2022 (EST)
Blasphemy? Sigh, what godly sanctity do either of them hold? If your general implied point is that my comparison of them is a false equivalency, can you perhaps briefly summarize the key differences and provide just a few good sources? —LT (Exodus 23:2) Thursday, 18:55, December 22, 2022 (EST)

Youngkin and Zeldin

Youngkin and Zeldin? Yes! Both are making substantial GOP inroads in blue states that the standard "mainstream Republican" (now the Trumpist type) would not be able to accomplish, and their coattails have helped U.S. House elections this year in securing key GOP flips; there were several GOP pickups in NY, and Youngkin Republican Jen Kiggans defeated establishment Democrat Elaine Luria this November in one of the key swing races. Their political style represent the practical future of the Republican Party, IMO. —LT (Exodus 23:2) Thursday, 16:14, December 22, 2022 (EST)
Youngkin is a WEF graduate, as I understand. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:46, December 22, 2022 (EST)
Is this relevant though? Anti-establishment Senate Republican candidate Eric Greitens also at one point supported internationalism, and yet he became an anti-corruption leader within the Missouri GOP evident in his tenure as governor (before an apparent manufactured smear forced him to resign). —LT (Exodus 23:2) Thursday, 18:57, December 22, 2022 (EST)
It's not a hard and fast rule, it just puts him in the same boat with Pete Buttigieg and Tulsi Gabbard. RobSGive Peace a chance 20:53, December 22, 2022 (EST)
In the subsection right above, you excoriate the "blasphemy" of comparing Lake to Abrams, and now you're saying that Youngkin is "in the same boat with Pete Buttigieg and Tulsi Gabbard"? Can you please fully expand on the critiques of Youngkin? —LT (Exodus 23:2) Friday, 10:44, December 23, 2022 (EST)
I can't. It's just a rumor I heard that Younkin is a graduate of the YGL, which gives him a background in globalist training. I was hoping another editor would follow up and clarify, but nobody seems to care and I don't have the time chasing down every rumor. I tend to give some credence to my hand-picked sources. If true, then Youngkin needs to repent and get baptized before I put anymore stock in what he says. We have enough Buttigiegs and Trudeaus serving in high office already. RobSGive Peace a chance 19:46, December 23, 2022 (EST)

Sen. Paul

Rand Paul... I'm open to him being the runner-up, since he isn't heavily entrenched into the ultrapopulist MAGA wing, and reasonably opposes outrageous spending. Sinema? No, since she's not even a conservative, even if a few bucks from the Administration may be commendable. Mark Robinson? ...no, since he's often times embarrassing and is used by leftists as a strawman for their "right-wingers are bigoted" arguments. The Federalist Society? ...no, as explained below by Andy. —LT (Exodus 23:2) Thursday, 16:27, December 22, 2022 (EST)

Supreme Court

I think that the 5 Supreme Court Justice who voted to strike down Roe v. Wade should be Conservative of the Year, rather than just Justice Alito, as Justice Alito alone could not have overturned Roe v. Wade. Also, the Supreme Court had other conservative victories such as on religious liberty and gun rights where the 5 justices sided with the conservative position.--TheNewRight (talk) 15:36, December 22, 2022 (EST)

Great point, but the Supreme Court was so wrong on Deep State and politicized prosecutions that the Dems could undo all this good unless the High Court wakes up to this.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 16:02, December 22, 2022 (EST)
Agreed. Furthermore, SCOTUS is not consistently applying judicial restraint to strike down Biden's socialist (and parafascist, since arguably its robbing from the working-class to help privileged students is akin to the Italian Fascist model of a welfare state benefiting the "fit") "student loan forgiveness" nonsense. IMO, SCOTUS can deserve this prestigious honor once they persistently apply judicial restraint, at least to the level that the pre-1937 Court did in shutting down New Deal fascism. —LT (Exodus 23:2) Thursday, 16:09, December 22, 2022 (EST)

Chip Roy

Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) is a Never-Trumper who has been AWOL on the all-important election integrity issues. Without fair elections, no amount of bluster matters.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 16:26, December 22, 2022 (EST)

Personally, I don't see stances merely on Trump as what should be a prioritizing determinant for whether an individual merits the award. I'm open to differing opinions on this, and to reiterate a point above, I see Trump at this point as being too drowned in his own selfish personal ambitions and exploiting the conservative movement to help himself. While it may be reasonable to argue that Roy's opposition to Trump prior to 1/6/2021 were unreasonable, at this point, his distancing from Trumpism isn't unreasonable, IMO. Furthermore, the term "Never Trumper" in being applied to him may not be accurate, since during Trump's presidency he supported the strong conservative policies, from my understanding. Whether he truly never supported Trump is most likely debatable, though I admit that you are likely more knowledgeable about this focus in particular since you were an early original researcher into Cruzism.
When it comes to election integrity, I see nowadays that most of its heavily outspoken purported proponents ride the fence of zealous trutherism or simply gleefully dash into that territory, and way, way too far. While the issue is important, I personally don't think Roy should be heavily seen with suspicion on the mere grounds that he doesn't seem to emphasize election laws the same manner that mainline MAGA populists do. —LT (Exodus 23:2) Thursday, 16:35, December 22, 2022 (EST)
Also, it can be argued that maybe some other contenders don't emphasize other top issues (i.e. the border crisis, abortion, combating socialist propaganda from neo-Marxist and neo-Nazi pseudovanguardist[irrelevant note 1] fronts, etc.) sufficiently in the same manner Roy might not apparently prioritize proper election laws. Now, if you think that election integrity is far, far more important than any other issue and consider this argument of mine to be a false equivalency, I'd be interested to hear more individual thoughts. —LT (Exodus 23:2) Thursday, 16:44, December 22, 2022 (EST)

Footnote(s) you can ignore for relevance reasons unless you're interested to hear some humor

  1. ↑ You know, since socialists like to say things like "that isn't real socialism," etc. Therefore, due to the fact that current neo-Marxists and neo-Nazis often adopt the vanguardism concept to glorify themselves, I'm mocking them by essentially saying they aren't real vanguardists.

Who can make changes to the article itself?

Sorry, I'm new to voting for Conservative of the Year.

As a non-sysop, am I supposed to limit my contributions to the talk page? Or are non-sysops allowed to make changes to the article itself as long as voting is still open?--Geopolitician (talk) 17:19, December 22, 2022 (EST)

You can make nominations, preferably with some supporting evidence, but please do not remove any previous nominations. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:34, December 22, 2022 (EST)
In this case, I formally nominate Tulsi Gabbard. If Kyrsten Sinema can be nominated for leaving the DNC, so can Gabbard. In fact, Gabbard's reasons for leaving the DNC are far better than Sinema's, as shown here.--Geopolitician (talk) 17:44, December 22, 2022 (EST)

Am I allowed to move people from top tier to runner-up tier, or vice versa?--Geopolitician (talk) 18:24, December 22, 2022 (EST)

I suppose so; ultimately, if Andy dissents and prefers a previous revision, he presumably gets to override decisions by the rest of us, especially since he ultimately is the one to decide who gets the award anyways. —LT (Exodus 23:2) Thursday, 18:40, December 22, 2022 (EST)
Alrighty. Let's do this!--Geopolitician (talk) 18:46, December 22, 2022 (EST)

I didn't realize the bullet points were ranked (top = #1, second-to-top = #2, etc.). I'm done sorting from top-tier to runner-up, but I have no idea on how to sort the rankings within those tiers aside from the very top and the very bottom. Feel free to do that part.--Geopolitician (talk) 19:10, December 22, 2022 (EST)

Ron Johnson

Andy, why should we reward Ron Johnson with any title other than RINO of the Year after the cowardice he showed on January 6? In my opinion, he's worse than any of the Senators who were going to certify the election results from the beginning, because at least they kept the same position from beginning to end. He on the other hand flip-flopped, which shows that he is an utter opportunist (much like Ron DeSantis).

On another note, why should we place him higher on the list than the people who made his victory possible? He won because of what they did, not because of anything he did. If it were up to me I would exclude him from the list entirely. But if you still insist that he be on the list even after all that, he ought to at least be ranked lower than the people who made his victory possible.--Geopolitician (talk) 19:35, December 22, 2022 (EST)

Also, if your priority is leadership on developing a populist movement, Hawley and Vance should be ranked above Johnson.--Geopolitician (talk) 19:37, December 22, 2022 (EST)

If there's any strong reason that Sen. Johnson should be taken off the contender list and instead be considered a RINO, I'd like to see more of a detailed elaboration by RobSmith, who claimed in a discussion above above that Johnson somehow is a Ukronazsymp.
About Vance and Hawley, their politics is not practical for the national level, since they are viewed by many everyday people in the culturally diverse, liberal-leaning suburbs (like where I live), especially among younger generations more susceptible to mainstream neo-Marxist drivel, as fringe nutjobs, quacks, charlatans, zealots, and sometimes racists. (yes, I know, those perceptions are the result of MSM propaganda, though unfortunately people buy into this idiocy partially because GOP populists themselves too often don't sufficiently or properly stick up for their own record against smears to effectively counter them) The political style of Sen. Paul, who represents a continuation of the Old Right, is magnitudes better. —LT (Exodus 23:2) Friday, 19:42, December 22, 2022 (EST)

No, Andy! Please don't delete the "conservatives of Wisconsin"; delete Ron Johnson! They deserve the credit, not him... :(--Geopolitician (talk) 20:06, December 22, 2022 (EST)

Would it be an edit war if I put other people above Ron Johnson now? I don't want to get myself blocked over this issue. :(--Geopolitician (talk) 20:08, December 22, 2022 (EST)

Let's discuss. If Ron Johnson achieved what he did as a media-favored Hollywood actor, he'd be at the top of the list. What's the real objection by anyone to him???--Andy Schlafly (talk) 20:12, December 22, 2022 (EST)
In my opinion, his behavior on January 6 disqualifies him for any future consideration for Conservative of the Year. Yes, I get that was nearly two years ago, and we've since forgiven some of the other people who voted to certify the election. But this is a special case. He originally was going to vote against certifying the election, but changed his mind at the eleventh hour in order to virtue signal. If he's willing to do that, then he's an opportunist and anything he says or does going forward should be automatically suspect. I hope I'm not being too harsh here.--Geopolitician (talk) 20:22, December 22, 2022 (EST)
Please explain further, because my understanding is that Johnson's actions and comments relating to Jan. 6th were better than all other Republican Senators, except perhaps Josh Hawley.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 20:24, December 22, 2022 (EST)
Ron Johnson was one of the several Senators who withdrew their planned objections to the election results in response to the storming of the Capitol. Utter cowardice.[14][15]--Geopolitician (talk) 20:49, December 22, 2022 (EST)
Ron Johnson, God love him, is probably the most knowledgeable sitting member of Congress on Biden family corruption. However, he's recently made comments on the Russian boogeyman conspiracy theory. I understand why. After leaving all those Hummers in Afghanistan, his home state gets a big contract to build them for Ukraine. It comes down to this: if he votes for $1.7 trillion omnibus bill, he's a sellout to the military industrial complex; if he votes against it, he's standing on principle. RobSGive Peace a chance 20:43, December 22, 2022 (EST)
Wow. I did not know that.
At this point, I would advocate removing all Ukrainian sympathizers from the list. That would send a message, that we do not reward those who sympathize with terrorist regimes. --Geopolitician (talk) 20:57, December 22, 2022 (EST)
The omnibus bill passed, but Johnson didn't vote for it. Doesn't really change my opinion of him, though.[16]--Geopolitician (talk) 21:05, December 22, 2022 (EST)
I didn't know that Ron Johnson flipped on the decertification vote after a few stragglers entered the public building during business hours. But the good news is that JD Vance moves up in the ranking, and he won after campaigning against the NATO war in Ukraine!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 21:10, December 22, 2022 (EST)
I didn't know you didn't know. I assumed you just forgot. It happens to all of us sometimes. :)
Thank you, and you're welcome. And if we don't interact again soon, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!--Geopolitician (talk) 21:15, December 22, 2022 (EST)
So a bunch of GOP dissenters backed out after the J6 deep state false flag operation, which was an uphill fight anyway. What were they supposed to do? walk into a buzzsaw anyway despite all the warning signs? RobSGive Peace a chance 17:59, December 24, 2022 (EST)

The New American's Lifetime "A-grade" Congressmen and Senators

The following people have a lifetime A grade from The New American as of the end of the 117th Congress:

Senators

  • Bill Hagerty (Tennessee)
  • Mike Lee (Utah)
  • Rand Paul (Kentucky)

Congressmen

  • Andy Biggs (AZ-5)
  • Dan Bishop (NC-9)
  • Lauren Boebert (CO-3)
  • Kat Cammack (FL-3)
  • Andrew S. Clyde (GA-9)
  • Byron Donalds (FL-19)
  • Bob Good (VA-5)
  • Marjorie Taylor-Greene (GA-14)
  • Diana Harshbarger (TN-1)
  • Yvette Herrell (NM-2)
  • Tracey Mann (KS-1)
  • Thomas Massie (KY-4)
  • Mary E. Miller (IL-15)
  • Barry Moore (AL-2)
  • Matthew M. Rosendale, Sr. (MT-At Large)
  • Chip Roy (TX-21)
  • Thomas P. Tiffany (WI-7)

Thoughts?--Geopolitician (talk) 21:47, December 22, 2022 (EST)

Sens. Paul and Lee are fantastic, and Reps. Donalds, Harshbarger, Herrell, Massie, Rosendale, and Roy (especially) seem great. Biggs comes off as a second-rate grandstanding attention-seeker, Good has a history of not-so-good embarrassments, and Greene... I don't know where to begin. Miller similarly has made terribly embarrassing statements which become eager fuel for neo-Marxist propaganda. I don't know so much about the rest. —LT (Exodus 23:2) Friday, 22:01, December 22, 2022 (EST)
The above list is enlightening and very impressive. Thanks to Geopolitician for posting it!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 10:52, December 23, 2022 (EST)

Winning should be part of the criteria

"There is no substitute for victory." - Douglas MacArthur

Winning should be part of the criteria.

Why do I say that?

For about 60 years, like from the 1960s to 2021, social conservatism was largely on a losing streak in the USA. But due to demographics, changes in America's religious makeup (Growth of evangelicalism within Protestantism in the USA and away from mainline Protestantism) and evangelical Protestants coming on board as far as being pro-life in the life (Catholics preceded them in the USA), Roe vs. Wade was overturned.

And conservatives are racking up some victories on transexualism.

So I think winning and not merely trying should count as part of the criteria.

It is true that Lee Zeldin did help some Republicans to be elected in New York, but ultimately he lost his race. So Zeldin can't be the conservative of the year. Conservative (talk) 18:41, December 24, 2022 (EST)

I'd differ. Zeldin ultimately lost, though his inroads into an otherwise solidly Democratic state proved that conservatism has a winning path even in seemingly ultra–left-wing states. Also, his coattails arguably contributed drastically to several GOP gains in the U.S. House elections that boosted the narrow GOP House majority and in general erode the Democratic political stranglehold on the state. —LT (Exodus 23:2) Sunday, 19:38, December 24, 2022 (EST)
I agree that the winner could and maybe should be someone who lost. LT makes a strong case for Zeldin and I'm going to move him up higher in the ranking of contenders.
In sports, American culture over-emphasizes "who won" and foreign players and fans have properly complained about that. If all that matters is who won or lost, then Christianity and Judaism would not be the religions they are.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 20:44, December 24, 2022 (EST)
Thanks, Andy; I'd contend that temporary victories and setbacks aren't the most important things and hardly can be deemed as ever fully comprising the big picture at hand. —LT (Exodus 23:2) Sunday, 20:58, December 24, 2022 (EST)

Postscript on why conservatives got Roe vs. Wade overturned

The Birkbeck College, University of London professor Eric Kaufmann wrote in his 2010 book Shall the Religious Inherit the Earth? concerning America:

"High evangelical fertility rates more than compensated for losses to liberal Protestant sects during the twentieth century. In recent decades, white secularism has surged, but Latino and Asian religious immigration has taken up the slack, keeping secularism at bay. Across denominations, the fertility advantage of religious fundamentalists of all colours is significant and growing. After 2020, their demographic weight will begin to tip the balance in the culture wars towards the conservative side, ramping up pressure on hot-button issues such as abortion. By the end of the century, three quarters of America may be pro-life. Their activism will leap over the borders of the 'Redeemer Nation' to evangelize the world. Already, the rise of the World Congress of Families has launched a global religious right, its arms stretching across the bloody lines of the War on Terror to embrace the entire Abrahamic family."[17] Conservative (talk) 18:43, December 24, 2022 (EST)
"the end of the century" ...the world as we know it will probably be done with by then. Some nations are already on the verge of enacting blue laws, which will trigger the mark of the beast and begin the final stages of the end times. Many people who you think are Bible-believing, hardcore conservative Christians may turn out to strongly support the Antichrist beast system (under the logic that Sunday laws will restore Christian morality), which I think "Christian nationalists" will eagerly back. Just watch this video and you'll clearly see what I mean. —LT (Exodus 23:2) Wednesday, 16:21, December 28, 2022 (EST)

Another reason why Justices Thomas and Alito should win conservative of the year

SCOTUS rules Biden regime must keep Trump-era border policy. Now I think conservatives got many victories by SCOTUS this year, thats why they should win the title this year --Alex Kosh (talk) 12:57, December 28, 2022 (EST)

Great suggestion, but this win was indirect. SCOTUS ruled against Trump on so many other issues, and has dodged election integrity for nearly 15 years. At this rate any good rulings by it will inevitably be reversed by a future liberal court.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 14:42, December 28, 2022 (EST)
Justices Alito and Thomas were only 2 supreme court members who accept hearing 2020 election fraud issues, thats why I suggest only them --Alex Kosh (talk) 17:48, December 29, 2022 (EST)
Ditto. This one ruling about border policy does not "prove" that the Court will demonstrate consistent judicial restraint. —LT (Exodus 23:2) Wednesday, 16:17, December 28, 2022 (EST)
Overturning Roe v Wade, preserve rights to bear arms, protecting religious liberty and ending Covid mandates, thats all happened this year --Alex Kosh (talk) 17:48, December 29, 2022 (EST)

Voting

  • I vote for Sam Alito as conservative of the year in 2022. Conservative (talk) 02:27, December 29, 2022 (EST)
Sam Alito sided against conservative petitions, such as those by Trump, more than he sided with them. His reversal of Roe v. Wade will not last at this rate. Also, Alito was the one who opened the floodgate to sports gambling a few years ago.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 01:50, December 30, 2022 (EST)

LT's final thoughts

I think the main award and/or runner-up should really go to any of these following individuals:

  • Chip Roy, for outspokenly advocating fiscal restraint and opposing both Democrats and establishment Republicans in their fruits of lip-service, do-nothing-ism
  • Lee Zeldin, for making significant GOP inroads in NY and whose coattails secured several GOP House victories
  • Rand Paul, for being one of the few consistent and persistent conservatives in the Senate in opposition towards reckless foreign aid
  • Thomas Massie (same reasons for Sen. Paul, except being that he's a congressman instead of senator)
  • Matt Rosendale (essentially the same reasons for Paul and Massie)

The following individuals may qualify for runner-up, though probably not the main award:

  • Ron Johnson, due to criticisms specified by Geopolitician and RobSmith
  • J. D. Vance, since he aligns with hardline MAGA populism which might've worked out politically in Ohio, due to the state's populist-leaning tradition, though is rather zealous and representative of the Trumpist politics which has gone off the rails in particularly the past two years, IMO
  • Josh Hawley, for similar reasons specified in the previous point
  • Sam Alito, since SCOTUS judicial restraint decisions aren't a consistent characteristic even though the overturning of Roe v. Wade was a tremendous accomplishment
  • Clarence Thomas, for the same reason specified in the previous point
  • Glenn Youngkin, for passing a conservative agenda in the previously Democratic state of Virginia
  • Project Veritas, for continuing to expose leftist evils
  • Sundance, since CTH might be a good-faith, reasonable source of information
  • Tom Tiffany, for his strongly conservative voting record

I'm mostly opposed to the following individuals receiving either award:

  • Elon Musk, since he's not really a conservative and more of an expedient egohead
  • Dinesh D'Souza, since he's not notable enough in terms of what he's done this year
  • Kris Kobach, Harriet Hageman, and the other GOP nominees who simply won elections; that fact alone doesn't merit the award, especially when taking into account that most of them were already expected to win their respective races
  • Benjamin Netanyahu, since whether he'll accomplish more isn't quite clear yet
  • The Federalist Society, since some of their preferred judges are evidently questionable

I'm strongly opposed to these individuals receiving either award:

  • D.C. "peaceful protesters," since it's too vague
  • Freedom convoy protesters (same reason above)
  • Doug MacGregor, since he eagerly propagates the great replacement hoax which was invented by Progressive Era white supremacists a century ago (so he's basically promoting leftist propaganda, if you think about it)
  • Viktor Orban, also for promoting "great replacement" drivel, but to an even more cynical and racist extent by fearmongering about "miscegenation"
  • Kari Lake, due to the fact that she's mostly acting like a sore loser at this point, IMO
  • Giorgia Meloni, since she has questionable past connections to neofascism
  • Kyrsten Sinema, since she's not a conservative and may have engaged in corrupt backdoor compromises while giving the public appearance of being moderate
  • Mark Robinson, since it's not clear what he's necessarily accomplished or valiantly fought for to an extent that hasn't been a strawman used by leftists to mock or slander conservatives

This should cover just about most, if not all of the contenders. —LT (Mark 8:36) Friday, 14:29, December 30, 2022 (EST)

(a) Where did MacGregor ever postulate the Great Replacement hoax? (b) Even if true, it's far outside his area of expertise. (c) Is the parable of the Great Feast in Luke 14:15-24 or the wild olive branch grafted in in Romans 11:17-21 Replacement Theory? RobSGive Peace a chance 15:05, December 30, 2022 (EST)

Arguments against Musk, Part 2

Another reason why Conservapedia should not pick the libertarian Elon Musk as a so-called conservative of the year

Public records list the Idaho murder suspect Karl Kohberger as a registered libertarian voter and a criminology buff who comes from a family of mental health workers.[18]

According to Murray N. Rothbard, a writer for the Ludwig von Mises Institute, many if not most libertarians at the present time, are atheists.[19] Ayn Rand was a libertarian and an atheist. Whereas 95% of the general U.S. public believes in the existence of God, only 66% of psychologists do.[20] See also: List of atheist shooters and serial killers and Young mass murderers

I hope this further clarifies matters. Conservative (talk) 12:20, December 31, 2022 (EST)

Interesting point to bring up. Libertarianism appeals to a wide spectrum with a common theme of disenchantment from centralization, and contains both mainstream and extremist wings. While some libertarians are conservative Christians who principally oppose immoral actions by bloated government, godless variants of the ideology are evidently linked to atheistic Social Darwinism (since individualism twisted to extremist levels can promote the idea that no authorities should interfere with "survival of the fittest," one example evident in the "pro-choice" movement thinking that women should be allowed to slaughter their own children at free will with no outside interference), which we know for a fact causes racism, mass murder, and genocide. —LT (Mark 8:36) Saturday, 12:44, December 31, 2022 (EST)
All this trash talking Libertarianism, using the Mises Institute as a source, is kinda funny. The Mises Institute is thought of a Libertarian institution. I think we're kinda walking into a family quarrel where we have no business. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:16, December 31, 2022 (EST)

Musk is a lot of things but he is not a libertarian. He is too all over the place to be anything except perhaps a contrarian.--Geopolitician (talk) 13:48, December 31, 2022 (EST)

Elon Musk's Tesla is paying for employees to get abortions out of state as the Supreme Court looks likely to overturn Roe v. Wade

Elon Musk's Tesla is paying for employees to get abortions out of state as the Supreme Court looks likely to overturn Roe v. Wade.[21]

Conservapedia should not pick someone who is for baby killing as a so-called conservative of the year. Conservative (talk) 12:25, December 31, 2022 (EST)

Absolutely agreed. Conservatism starts with conserving innocent human life. —LT (Mark 8:36) Saturday, 12:37, December 31, 2022 (EST)
Trump was criticized in a similar manner, and yet he's the one who got Roe v. Wade overturned while many who portrayed themselves as pro-life for 50 years did not.
The future is conservative populism and overall Musk exemplifies it, even if not so on every specific issue.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 13:19, December 31, 2022 (EST)
Andy, you may want to reconsider Musk's overall intentions, even if he's done much to appeal to the conservative populist crowd.
He's repeatedly stated that he wants DeSantis for President in 2024, and I strongly suspect he will use his position as the world's richest man to try to shove DeSantis down our throats. Now, I can't tell whether he supports DeSantis out of sincere conviction or if he's actually trying to sabotage the conservative populist movement from within, but the fact that he didn't practice what he preached concerning the 2022 midterms gives me reason to believe it may actually be the latter.[22]--Geopolitician (talk) 13:46, December 31, 2022 (EST)
Next you're gonna say DeSantis isn't really a conservative, but actually a KGB subversive. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:19, December 31, 2022 (EST)
As for Musk, it's possible that he will increasingly shift towards the right on key issues, though I don't think such fruits are, as of now, demonstrated sufficiently to merit the award. In terms of Trump accomplishing the overturning of Roe v. Wade while previous professed pro-life Republicans didn't, I think it's important to note that the connection with presidents themselves is indirect; due to increased tenure on the Court correlating to increased judicial activism, is it necessarily fair to say that Trump is more pro-life simply because his Court picks didn't turn out to be as liberal as Kennedy or O'Connor? It's important to note that the two most conservative justices on the Court, Thomas and Alito, were appointed by the Bush dynasty. —LT (Mark 8:36) Saturday, 13:41, December 31, 2022 (EST)

Elon Musk on Tesla paying for employees to travel so they can get abortions. He is definitely not a conservative. And Musk never said that he is a conservative because he is not one!

Elon Musk on Teslta paying for employees to go out of state and get abortions: Tesla Inc. CEO Elon Musk did not immediately respond to a request for comment, but he tweeted in September that he believes "government should rarely impose its will upon the people, and, when doing so, should aspire to maximize their cumulative happiness. That said, I would prefer to stay out of politics."[23]

In other words, Elon Musk is not for the state protecting babies from being murdered. Conservative (talk) 14:02, December 31, 2022 (EST)

So long as there's a state, it has a basic moral obligation to protect innocent human life. If this is not prioritized, a society is gradually reduced to Ancient Rome–levels of utter depravity. —LT (Mark 8:36) Saturday, 14:02, December 31, 2022 (EST)
Barry Goldwater jumped ship and joined the abortion crowd. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:24, December 31, 2022 (EST)

Elon Musk: He has called himself an independent and a centrist, yet “economically right of center, maybe.” Not a conservative! Not even right-wing!

Here is the article on Musk and it is at the Indian Express: Critics say Musk has revealed himself as a Conservative. It’s not so simple. Conservative (talk) 14:47, December 31, 2022 (EST)

The article at the Indian Express says of Musk: He has called himself an independent and a centrist, yet “economically right of center, maybe.”[24] Conservative (talk) 15:57, December 31, 2022 (EST)
Conservapedia needs to up its game if it is going to keep calling its Conservapedia. Making Elon Musk a top contender for Conservative of the Year in 2022 was a mistake. It's not too late to fix this mistake. Conservative (talk)
It's conservative populism, and it's the way of the future. The religious right has been declining for decades and is unable to elect a president.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 17:07, December 31, 2022 (EST)
I strongly agree with Conservative here when it comes to who we extol as a site. I very respectfully differ from the notion that "conservative populism" represents a feasible future, which probably won't be long at this rate. From what I see, "conservative populism" is a tool which Satan may use to pave the way for the Antichrist beast system. The overt decline of morality may be met with sentiments blaming the cause on "lack of rest" because it induces "stress." So what then? Well, let's say a day of the week is picked to ensure rest... ah yes, Sunday! So then petition the government, from a united front, to enforce Sunday rest. And then "conservative populists" who claim to be "Christian nationalists" will use that to enforce Sunday worship, claiming it will restore the country to biblical morality. What then? You can read the Book of Revelation to find out.
Yes, I know I'm invoking eschatology here into a deeply religious analysis; since conservatism is supposed to be grounded in Judeo-Christian morality, I think its portrayal and image should accurately reflect Scriptural wisdom. —LT (Mark 8:36) Saturday, 17:17, December 31, 2022 (EST)

I am a right-wing populist although they are not very good at fiscal discipline. In order to get a right-wing populist person elected in the USA, right-wingers have to be appealing to a coalition of right-wingers. And when Trump ran for president, he was appealing enough to social/religious conservatives (who are a right-wing coalition) by giving them a list of judges that he would pick if elected president. He also picked the religious conservative Mike Pence as VP (which was a mistake).

Elon Musk is a moderate and he is not even right-wing. He is popular though. Conservative (talk) 17:32, December 31, 2022 (EST)

In Italy, the right-wing populists appealed to religious people also in order to get a person elected. It is also true of Hungary/Poland. Conservative (talk) 17:34, December 31, 2022 (EST)
(ec) Your arguments would be more coherent if you'd stop spamming. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:41, December 31, 2022 (EST)

Now that I have definitively proved that Elon Musk is not a conservative, perhaps Conservapedia should have a Ally of conservatives award

Now that I have definitively proved that Elon Musk is not a conservative, perhaps Conservapedia should have a Ally of conservatives award.

Essay: 2022 Ally of Conservatives Award. Conservative (talk) 14:17, December 31, 2022 (EST)

Benjamin Netanyahu does not belong on this list

And I mean at all.

He may be an Israeli conservative, but he is no friend to American conservatives. His hardcore supporters regularly slander us with accusations of antisemitism whenever we question our military presence in the Middle East or the amounts of foreign aid we give to Israel or the Middle East in general. He collaborated with Bolton and Pompeo to sabotage Trump's efforts at striking a rapprochement deal with Iran. He's been pushing us into going to war with Iran. He entered alliances with al-Qaeda sponsoring nations such as the United Arab Emirates, and his hardcore supporters played the antisemitism card again whenever anybody suggested it was a bad idea. And finally, despite all Trump did for him, he congratulated Biden early. No, he wasn't the first to congratulate him (despite the rumors claiming otherwise), but knowing where he stands he probably did prefer Biden over Trump, since Biden is more hawkish than Trump nearly across the board.

For at least some of those reasons (and more), Trump now despises Netanyahu and (probably) regrets not supporting Gantz in the 2020 Knesset elections.[25] And if, in 2025, Trump and Netanyahu are once again in office at the same time, don't expect Trump to be nearly as accommodating to Israel as he was in his first term.--Geopolitician (talk) 14:05, December 31, 2022 (EST)

So what's the solution? a color revolution in Israel? No, wait a minute; we've already interfered in Israeli elections. RobSGive Peace a chance 18:18, December 31, 2022 (EST)
Why would the Deep State support a color revolution against Netanyahu? He's one of their allies.--Geopolitician (talk) 01:53, January 1, 2023 (EST)

Donald Trump is not a conservative. But he is an ally of conservatives.

Donald Trump is twice divorced. He divorced his first wife after cheating on her. He then divorced his second wife who was an adultress in order to marry a model who was much younger than his first wife. He also cheated on his third wife with Stormy Daniels.

In addition, President Trump's appointed the homosexual Richard Grenell as acting Director of National Intelligence. Previously, while Greenwall was the ambassador to Germany, he spearheaded a global effort to end the criminalization of homosexuality in nearly 70 countries where it was still illegal.[26]

While Donald Trump is not a conservative, he is the strongest living ally of conservatives and his administration appointed many conservative judges at the federal level.

It's time conservatives have some standards and stop pretending their allies are conservatives. Allies are great things to have though. Conservative (talk) 14:44, December 31, 2022 (EST)

Grenell spearheaded a global effort to end the criminalization of homosexuality in nearly 70 countries
You criticize Grenell (and Trump indirectly) for promoting the globohomo agenda, but then trash talk Vladimir Putin (with globalist talking points) for being the only world leader to stand up against it. In Grenell's (and Trump's) defense, they probably didn't realize it would end up in a shooting war (something, incidentally, I've been warning about since at least 2002). RobSGive Peace a chance 19:36, December 31, 2022 (EST)
The effort to "end the criminalization of homosexuality in nearly 70 countries" isn't just an idea tossed out there - it is the policy of the United States Government. Of those 70 countries, 58 recently voted for an anti-Russian resolution in the UN General Assembly.
How does this policy work? It's done through various escalatory means of arm twisting and blackmail. First is the threat to withhold aid (we're talking here principally of impoverished countries in the Global South, Africa, Asia, and Latin America). If that doesn't work, then comes the threat of tagging the country as a "human rights violator" cause they don't share "our values", as Nancy Pelosi and the EU would say. American and Western values now protect the "God-given right" to commit Sodomy.
This, besides Russia's security concerns, is key to understanding the present global conflict. RobSGive Peace a chance 19:51, December 31, 2022 (EST)
Sanctions also are part in the escalatory blackmail. If a country still trades with others who oppose the globohomo agenda, say Russia and Iran, they get added to the sanctions list. RobSGive Peace a chance 20:03, December 31, 2022 (EST)
Pakistan is a prime example. While the population opposes the globohomo agenda, the US overthrew the government and got somebody willing to comply. Sri Lanka and Thailand now are on the target list. RobSGive Peace a chance 20:05, December 31, 2022 (EST)
"Donald Trump is a bit similar to Samson. He has an unusual hairstyle. His faults are many. He strikes terror in his opposition. He has machismo. His opponents have often been mystified about the source of his power. And just when his enemies think they have finally gained victory over him, he brings down their various temples.
Samson's was involved with three foreign women who were obviously not Jewish. The first foreign woman was a woman from Timnah whom he married (Timnah was a Philistine city in Canaan.). The second foreign woman was a harlot from Gaza, and the third foreign woman was Delilah, with whom Samson fell in love.[27] Donald Trump is not a social conservative and his marital track record and his playboy past attest to this fact." - Quoted from my essay: Essay: Donald Trump's glorious victories Conservative (talk) 15:12, December 31, 2022 (EST)
Samson would have been a star in the NFL. The flaw in the above analysis is the same one made by liberals in claiming that Founding Fathers were not Christians. It's where one ends up near the end of the race, not somewhere years ago, that matters.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 15:14, December 31, 2022 (EST)
At least one of the founding fathers may not have been a Christian and that was Benjamin Franklin, but he definitely was a friend of Christians and had a very cordial relationship with George Whitefield.[28] And although he became a deist as a young man, he drifted away from it.[29] And Enlightenment ideas, which are not Christian, are in the U.S. Constitution, but so are Protestant ideas.[30] And the U.S. Constitution never calls the USA a Christian nation. While the US Constitution is not perfect, it is much better than many countries constitutions. It may be the greatest constitution, but I cannot say that definitively because I know little about other nations constitutions. I do know, however, that Trump wanted to suspend parts of the U.S. Constitution recently due to the circumstances surrounding the 2020 election. Conservative (talk) 15:20, December 31, 2022 (EST)
As an ally of conservatives, Trump caused many other victories for conservatives (See: Essay: Donald Trump's glorious victories and Donald Trump achievements). Conservative (talk) 15:29, December 31, 2022 (EST)

For the record, Trump is defnitely still a contender for the GOP nomination and he could win against Biden in 2024 given the direction the USA/World economy is headed in. I would be happy if Trump won in 2024 - despite his various faults. He probably could have gotten a lot more done as president if he didn't have contend with all the Democrats dirty tricks like the "Russian collusion" claims. Conservative (talk) 16:15, December 31, 2022 (EST)

I'm afraid I don't understand your argument. Are you saying Trump's economic program is non-conservative? RobSGive Peace a chance 18:20, December 31, 2022 (EST)
Like Ronald Reagan before him, Trump did not balance the budget. Conservative (talk) 18:24, December 31, 2022 (EST)
Samson probably wasn't a saver because he spent too much money on wine, women and song! I do hope Trump is re-elected, but I think it may be a longshot. But he is definitely still a contender. Underestimate Trump at your peril is something his critics have learned the hard way in the past. Conservative (talk) 18:27, December 31, 2022 (EST)
Isn't the budget Congress' responsibility? By law, the president must spend every dollar appropriated by Congress. RobSGive Peace a chance 18:30, December 31, 2022 (EST)
The President has the bully pulpit and can use carrots and sticks to twist Congressional arms. In addition, he can veto spending bills. Conservative (talk) 18:41, December 31, 2022 (EST)
twist Congressional arms, yah like when the Congress is controlled by the opposition party. What's he gonna do, sic the FBI on them?
A veto only delays the process. A budget ultimately must pass (for instance, budgets are exempt from the filibuster). The notion of a presidential veto is already built into the negotiating process, meaning opposition Congressional leaders make it clear that you won't like an alternative proposal if the process is delayed by a veto.
If you want to blame anybody, blame the American people and their elected representatives (better yet, you could blame the weakness of the conservative movement in getting its message across to Congress and the American people. Or you can blame the stupidity and ignorance of the American people. Or you can blame the stupidity and ignorance of American conservatives in formulating arguments).RobSGive Peace a chance 18:48, December 31, 2022 (EST)
Let's go back to this popular MSM metaphor, twist Congressional arms. What exactly does that mean? Withold pork? Add pork? Either way, I don't see much conservative principles in the argument. RobSGive Peace a chance 18:56, December 31, 2022 (EST)

Why I hope Donald Trump is elected president in 2024 out of the most likely candidates to win at this point:

For the record, Donald Trump is defnitely still a contender for the GOP nomination and he could win against Biden in 2024 given the direction the USA/World economy is headed in. In addition, Joe Biden is incompetent and is suffering cognitive decline.

As far as the most likely candidates to win at this point, despite his faults, Trump has definitely had prior accomplishments, so I do hope Trump is reelected. But he is somewhat of a longshot as far as winning the presidency in 2024 as of 12-31-2022 according to prediction markets, but that could change (See: Political polls vs. political betting markets. Which are better?). But he is definitely still a contender. Underestimate Trump at your peril is something his critics have learned the hard way in the past.

Although Donald Trump does not appear to be a Christian, he has often been an ally of Christians and a champion of religious freedom (See: Donald Trump achievements: Religious liberty and LGBT).

Given the current state of West, which I hope improves soon, sometimes one has to pick the lesser of evils when picking a candidate. Conservative (talk) 20:18, December 31, 2022 (EST)

The only hope for the West to improve is defeat and removal of the globohomo elites. Slava Rossiya. RobSGive Peace a chance 20:23, December 31, 2022 (EST)
A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. RobSGive Peace a chance 20:30, December 31, 2022 (EST)
Vladimir Putin is a corrupt kleptocrat and an authoritarian
If Russian civilization is so great, then why is its fertility rate so low? In 2020, it was 1.50 births per woman which is a subreplacement level of births since 2.1 births per woman is necessary for a society to keep its current population levels. Don't Russians understand Russian civilization's so-called greatness? Conservative (talk) 20:38, December 31, 2022 (EST)
When you cite those stats, you conveniently ignore the fact that America's natural increase is virtually the same as Russia's. Immigration is, and has been (since 1972), the only thing keeping American population growth going.
Incidentally, there's a recent article on Ukrainian demographics you might find interesting, beginning with the major flaw that it still counts people of the liberated territories as "Ukrainian". Overall, it says Ukraine population is in danger of falling to 35 million; Newsflash: it already is 35 million and probably closer to 33 million before all the women of childbearing age fled to Russia or Europe, and the men under 40 killed in a senseless war by the Zelensky regime.
But anyway, it's short and still worth looking at.
DEMOGRAPHIC EXPERT WARNS UKRAINE WILL EXPERIENCE “CATASTROPHIC DROP” IN BIRTH RATE
Another tidbit: the article neglects to state Ukraine's population was 50 million in 1991 and fell to 45 million in 2014 - that's what "democracy", "independence", and "freedom" did for Ukraine in 2 1/2 decades. RobSGive Peace a chance 21:00, December 31, 2022 (EST)
So we have two contradictions in your basic arguments: (1) you're still riding the globohomo anti-Putin talking points donkey; (2) you trash talk immigration while immigration is the only thing keeping America's demographic growth rate about water. RobSGive Peace a chance 21:11, December 31, 2022 (EST)
Whataboutism isn't going to make Russia great! The USA has been in decline post 1950s. But at least it has a possibility of bouncing back (See: [[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future|The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]). Conservative (talk) 21:11, December 31, 2022 (EST)
Okay, if you say so. The Biden border crisis is making America great again. We all heard it direct from the man's mouth. RobSGive Peace a chance 21:21, December 31, 2022 (EST)
What Biden supporters, "the union man" haven't realized yet is, Biden is bringing in scab workers to replace them. RobSGive Peace a chance 21:27, December 31, 2022 (EST)

Down to the wire

Getting down to the wire here on picking the winner and runner-up for Conservative of the Year. What's it going to be? An archaic religious right approach, or embrace the future with conservative populism???--Andy Schlafly (talk) 22:18, December 31, 2022 (EST)

Well, sometimes the traditions and styles deemed "archaic" are the aim of what needs conserving. User:Conservative already gave Musk his "Ally of Conservatives Award," and when it comes to Conservative of the Year 2022, I say the award should go to Chip Roy, with runner-up being Lee Zeldin. Ultimately, the decision is up to you, Andy. —LT (Mark 8:36) Sunday, 22:27, December 31, 2022 (EST)

This year's vote: Donald Trump's coalition vs. Elon Musk fans. Donald Trump's coalition won! Phyllis Schlafly's social conservatism part of the coalition won!

The below graph is a graphical representation of post Donald Trump's Republican Party. Notice how large the social conservatism portion is. Donald Trump's coalition part of the coalition won this year's vote! Phyllis Schlafly's social conservatism part of the coalition won this year's vote!

Donald Trump's political coalition is represented by the portion of the graph that is circled.

The above graphic is a graphical representation of post Donald Trump's Republican Party. Notice how large the social conservatism portion is.

Donald Trump's political coalition is represented by the portion of the graph that is circled.

I am glad the Elon Musk did not win Conservapedia's 2022 Conservative of the Year award. Conservative (talk) 00:41, January 1, 2023 (EST)

Wait, who won? The page still has two people in the very top tier but no actual winner.--Geopolitician (talk) 01:55, January 1, 2023 (EST)
Look at main page left in the upper left. Conservative (talk) 02:21, January 1, 2023 (EST)
Conservative of the Year 2022 is MIT grad and patent-holder Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY), whom we hope will run against the RINO of the Year 2022 Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY). The best and the worst of the Midwest! Conservative (talk) 02:22, January 1, 2023 (EST)
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