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:''This page contains some material moved from [[Talk:Main Page]] unrelated the [[Main Page|Conservapedia:Main Page]].  This page is for general discussions on any topic of no particular nature.<br>Please abide by CP's civility guidelines, and do not place the name of other Users (even your own) in subheadings. God bless and Happy posting!''
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:''If you have a complaint about another editor's actions, attitude, civility, or ideological leanings, place your complaint at [[Conservapedia:User complaints]] for full vetting from the community '''before''' the complaint makes its way up the administrative chain. Thank you.''
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[[Community Portal/Archives]]
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[[Conservapedia:Community Portal/archive1|Archive 1]]
 
==How do I request/apply for upload rights?==
 
  
I would like to, in economics articles, to upload low resolution Bloomberg screenshots that demonstrate how the economy has actually gotten worse under Barack Obama. In my short time here, I have mainly contributed to economics articles, which is my speciality, including the featured article on the [[Federal Debt Limit]][[User:HP|HP]] 01:08, 2 August 2011 (EDT)
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==Theory of Relativity==
:I would recommend asking at [[User:Aschlafly]] talk page. He will review your edits. Expanded user rights are granted on a [[merit system]]. See: [[Conservapedia:User rights]].  [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 19:56, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
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::I would like to request as well. It would make it a bit easier, as I have had requested images for articles I was working on and it took a while to get the first singer ones.--[[User:JamesWilson|JamesWilson]] 20:14, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
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Is it possible that black holes were featured in the Theory of Relativity to try to transform the untoward results of it from a "mathematical embarrassment" to a "wonder of nature"? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 22:46, February 16, 2025 (EST)
:::I tried for the First Lady articles and was told I hadn't edited enough. --[[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 20:18, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
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:Interesting hypothesis!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 16:56, October 23, 2025 (EDT)
HP, [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Federal_Debt_Limit&diff=prev&oldid=876420 this edit] is problematic; it looks like malevolent [[parody]] ("pervades the inner city culture greatly") and have advised Mr. Schlalfy of my opinion.  [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 21:51, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
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:Parody?  You're kidding me, right?  Nah, I call it as I see it. Obama does not take personal responsibility, will not take personal responsibility, and this is typical of the inner city culture, which is pervaded by a handout culture. It's funny how you insult my work when you piggybacked off of my contributions on the debt ceiling article and most of my work still remains. I have two MS degrees (Finance and Statistics) and my criticisms, even if you think they're politically incorrect, are factual. {{personal remark removed}} [[User:HP|HP]] 23:15, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
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==Your best protection==
::Funny, Rob comments on the edit, and you return with a personal attack. You might want to watch that. --[[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 23:19, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
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:::Rob, that wasn't personal, that was factual. It is factual that I laid most of the foundation for the featured article, which is not disputable.  You then built upon this foundation with your upload rights and made it a featured article (for which you should be commended). But don't call me a parodist when you leave most of my contributions in the article. That is intellectually dishonest. [[User:HP|HP]] 23:32, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
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Once I quoted [[Chaucer]] to a narcissist, "Your best protection is the love of others." This made him change the subject after becoming uneasy, because he knew he had been untruthful with those who loved him and for that reason felt a chronic insecurity about whether they would support him, and so he also cut them off to certain degrees if he discovered they couldn't be useful in other ways to spite that same love which was unreliable in his perspective.
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That's what comes to mind when I see my contributions on this page torched after having my access throttled for two-and-a-half-months.
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This also reflects a cleanliness fetish, "In for a penny, in for a pound".  If the designated scapegoat invests in a single share of a project, to be sure that doesn't anger God, the whole project has to be scrapped. What is the fallacy in this line of thinking?  A Christian ought to know.  A hint is that this is part of the old "fairness" not the new fairness.
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And we ought to know the noblest fetish is still a fetish.
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Another thing I wonder about: Is the poison''ous'' deadly, or is only ''poison'' deadly? The reason I ask, is that Thomas Aquinas had something to say about the "deadly".  [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 22:59, April 30, 2025 (EDT)
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==For the record==
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{{Cquote|''Almost six weeks into the war between Russia and Ukraine, I’m beginning to wonder if this conflict isn’t our first true world war — much more than World War I or World War II ever was.''|||Thomas Friedman, ''[[NYT]]'', April 3, 2022.<ref>[https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2022-04-04-thomas-friedman--what-is-happening-in-ukraine-is-the-real-world-war-i.ryONI1VO7q.html Thomas Friedman: What is happening in Ukraine is the real World War I], ''Teller Report'', 4/4/2022. tellerreport.com</ref>}}
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{{Cquote|''There is a chain of conflicts affecting the whole world...In fact, [[World War III]] is already underway...We instinctively expect that the war will begin just like the [[Great War]] or the Second World War...The international order is breaking down...It was an unpleasant one, based on the fear of [[MAD|mutual destruction]], but manageable...Wars in the Middle East have erupted before, but the [[Union of Soviet Socialist Republics]] (USSR) and the [[United States of America]] (USA) intervened and extinguished them until the next conflict...And now I don’t see even a temporary settlement mechanism.''|||Fyodor Lukyanov, Presidium-Chairman of the Council for Foreign and Defense Policy (SVOP), October 31, 2023.<ref>[https://menafn.com/1107349953/Leading-Russian-foreign-policy-expert-expresses-3rd-World-War-is-underway Leading Russian foreign policy expert expresses 3rd World War is underway], 11/1/2023. menafn.com</ref>}}
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{{Cquote|''I think it’s a World War. It looks to me like the [[Thirty Years' War]] in the 17th century. For me, the modern age started at this time. So for me it’s now, [[philosophical]]ly speaking, the end of the modern era. The modern era started with the Thirty Years’ War, and it will take another Thirty Years’ War to end it.''|||[[Alexei Arestovich]], January 14, 2024.<ref>[https://unherd.com/2024/01/oleksiy-arestovych-zelenskyys-challenger/ Oleksiy Arestovych: Zelenskyy’s challenger], ''Unherd, January 15, 2024. unherd.com</ref>}}
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{{Cquote|''Unfortunately, we are heading for a real world war, a full-blown war. The foundation of the old world system is bulging at the seams, and conflicts will break out. It is necessary to block the way leading to such a war … conflicts are already brewing and taking place in all areas.''|||Sergei Karaganov, Honorary Chair of Russia’s Council for Foreign and Defense Policy, June 21, 2024.<ref>Sergei Karaganov: ''[https://karaganov.ru/en/sergei-karaganov-nuclear-escalation-may-open-pandora-s-box-but-it-will-also-free-the-world-from-the-500-year-long-western-yoke/ Nuclear escalation may open Pandora’s box, but it will also free the world from the 500-year-long Western yoke]'', Ukraina.ru, June 21, 2024. karaganov.ru.<br><small>Karaganov goes on: "But when the [[American]]s felt that they were losing their global leadership, they decided to dump all restrictions in the hope of restoring [[military]] superiority, the foundation upon which [[the West]]'s dominance in other areas had rested for five centuries, and most importantly the possibility to syphon off world [[wealth]]. But it didn’t work out, and it won’t. Russia’s [[hypersonic]], [[Poseidon missile|Poseidon]] and other systems have ruined these hopes.
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They abandoned the [[INF|Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles]] ''[the treaty between the [[USSR]] and the [[USA]], signed by [[Mikhail Gorbachev]] and [[Ronald Reagan]] on 8 December, 1987 during a Soviet-American summit in [[Washington, D.C.|Washington]] ]''. They unilaterally renounced the Russia-NATO Founding Act, the [[ABM Treaty]], and so on.
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Instead they have got a [[war]] that they will lose either in disgrace or otherwise. It’s regrettable that we will have to sacrifice our [[men]] for that…
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However we will ensure our [[security]] and [[sovereignty]], and we will also free the world from the 500-year-long [[Western Civilization| Western]] yoke.
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I hope we will stop at nothing to make sure that the threat of war never comes from [[Europe]] again. Europe is the spawn of [[evil]] for the whole world. This is where both world wars started, during the [[life]] of one generation, the [[sin]], which has long been forgotten by the Europeans, who are also apparently losing their mind on top of it all. [[United_Kingdom#United_Kingdom.27s_parliament_and_homosexuality|Europe’s current ruling circles bring the feeling of disgust and disdain]]. Let’s hope new ones will come to take their place."</small></ref>}}
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{{Cquote|''The [[United States]] confronts the most serious and the most challenging threats since the end of [[World War II]]. The United States could in short order be drawn into a [[war]] across multiple theaters with peer and near-peer adversaries, and it could lose.''|||Commission on the National Defense Strategy Final Report, July 29, 2024.<ref>[https://www.rand.org/nsrd/projects/NDS-commission.html Commission on the National Defense Strategy] Final Report, Rand Corp., July 29, 2024. www.rand.org</ref>}}
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{{Cquote|''Look at what's happening in [[geopolitics]]. We're on the verge of [[World War III]] right now. We got a [[dementia]] patient sitting in the president's chair. You cannot trust the [[mainstream media]] or the political class or the big [[corporation]]s out there because they've all got an agenda. Or more precisely, they're part of an [[aristocracy]] that is trying to bleed the [[peasant]]s dry. And we're the peasants. You know, the [[US]] took centuries to accumulate $11 trillion of [[debt]]. Since 2020, we've taken on another $11 trillion. That is a death spiral. The financial system is ready to spin out of control. The experiment that began in 1971 when we went off the [[gold standard]] and gave everybody fiat currencies is ending. This is [[financial]] and [[economic]] [[history]] they're going to be writing textbooks about this for the next two centuries.''|||[[John Robino]], August 24, 2024.<ref>[https://rubino.substack.com/about John Rubino]. rubino.substack.com</ref>}}
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{{Cquote|''Something fundamental has changed in the course of the last two and a half years. [[History]] will go back and mark this as a significant moment of transformation in the [[NWO|world order]] that would be comparable to the post-[[World War II]] period with the creation of the [[International Monetary Fund]], the [[World Bank]], the [[United Nations]], these other [[Western alliance|Western controlled institutions]] that have been the foundation for the existing international [[rules-based order]].''|||[[Larry Johnson]], August 30, 2024.<ref>[https://youtu.be/RTNREy2qamY From Soviet Dissident to Target of US Deep State | Dimitri K. Simes Interview], Counter Currents, Aug 30, 2024. [[YouTube]]</ref>}}
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{{Cquote|''Remember [[World_War_II#Fall_of_France.2C_Denmark.2C_and_Norway|1940]]. In three weeks, [[American]]s will not have a comparably reassuring choice when they select the [[president]] who will determine the [[nation]]’s conduct during [[World War III]], which has begun.|||[[George Will]], October 16, 2024.<ref>[https://archive.is/GccN0#selection-709.0-709.195 Opinion  World War III is already under way. Not that Harris or Trump has noticed.] By George F. Will, ''[[The Washington Post]]'', October 16, 2024. www.washingtonpost.com</ref>}}
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{{Cquote|''[[World War III]] has never been closer.'''|||[[Donald Trump]], October 24, 2024.<ref>[https://youtu.be/gQvg46PXlWo?t=2383 Donald Trump, October 24, 2024].</ref>}}
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{{Cquote|''[[World War III]] has already begun.''|||[[Jamie Dimon]], October 24, 2024.<ref>[https://www.newsweek.com/world-war-three-has-already-begun-jp-morgan-ceo-says-1976854 World War III Has Already Begun, JP Morgan Boss Says], By Suzanne Blake, ''[[Newsweek]]''. Published Oct 29, 2024 Updated Oct 30, 2024. newsweek.com</ref>}}
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{{Cquote|''I believe that in 2024 we can absolutely definitely consider that the [[WW3|third world war]] has begun.''|||[[Valerii Zaluzhny]], November 21, 2024.<ref>[https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/world-war-3-already-begun-34162302 'World War 3 has already begun' according to chilling warning from Ukrainian ambassador], By Will Stewart Russia Correspondent Liam Buckler Senior US News Reporter, ''The Mirror'', 21 Nov 2024. www.mirror.co.uk</ref>}}
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:::Note: [[Zaluzhny]] is the prime candidate of the [[globalist]] [[deep state]] to become the next puppet president of [[Ukraine]] once [[Zelensky]] is dumped. What? Are they crazy? The man things [[World War III]] has already begun. [Ed.]
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{{Cquote|''[[US]] [[policy]]makers fail to learn the lessons of [[history]] and understand that great power alliances transformed two regional conflicts in [[Eastern Europe]] into unnecessary world wars that cost the lives of well over 100 million people and now US membership in [[NATO]] threatens to transform the [[war in Ukraine]] into a [[Third World War]] that could cost the lives of ten times more.''|||[[David T. Pyne]], November 21, 2024.<ref>[https://dpyne.substack.com/p/biden-attempting-to-start-world-war Biden Attempting to Start World War Three with Russia Before Trump Takes Office], David T. Pyne, Nov 21, 2024. dpyne.substack.com</ref>}}
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{{Cquote|''The sudden collapse of [[Bashar al-Assad]]'s despotic regime in [[Syria]] this weekend highlights the interconnectedness of a growing number of global conflicts, revealing a hard truth that most of us would rather not think about too deeply: [[World War III]] has already begun.''|||Bryce Hoffman, December 8, 2024.<ref>[https://www.forbes.com/sites/brycehoffman/2024/12/08/world-war-iii-has-already-begun--and-businesses-need-to-take-note/ World War III Has Already Begun – And Businesses Need To Take Note], Bryce Hoffman, ''Forbes magazine'', December 8, 2024. forbes.com</ref>}}
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{{Cquote|''[[World War 3]] is already well underway, even though most don’t recognize it. [[Russia]], [[China]], and their allies want to transform the [[Rules based order|current US-led world order]] that has been in place since the end of [[World War 2]] from [[unipolar]] to [[multipolar]]—giving themselves a bigger seat at the table in the process. The [[US]] and its allies want the unipolar [[status quo]] to prevail. World War 3 is unlikely to evolve into a direct kinetic war between the US, Russia, and China because that could invite [[nuclear]] [[Armageddon]], where everyone loses. Instead, World War 3 is playing out on different levels—[[proxy war]]s, [[economic]] wars, [[financial]] wars, cyber wars, [[Biological warfare|biological war]]s, deniable [[sabotage]], and information wars. This is World War 3.  It's happening right now and rapidly escalating.''|||Nick Giambruno, January 21, 2025.<ref>[https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/2025-year-global-order-unravels 2025: The Year the Global Order Unravels], by Nick Giambruno. zerohedge.com</ref>}}
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{{Cquote|''[[World War III]] is already underway...We need to declare mobilisation...We need to prepare at least half a million people in advance...But realistically one million people.''|||[[Major General Apti Alaudinov]], June 13, 2025.<ref>[https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/putins-general-declares-ww3-started-35389852 Putin's general declares 'WW3 has started' and demands ONE MILLION fresh troops], Will Stewart and Zahra Khaliq ''Mirror'', 13 Jun 2025.</ref>}}
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{{Cquote|''We're in the early stages of the kinetic part of the [[Third World War]] right now...This is much more dangerous than the late 1930s. Much more dangerous.''|||[[Steve Bannon]], June 18, 2025.<ref>[https://youtu.be/lXJTCMVOiEI?t=199 Monitor Breakfast with Steve Bannon], ''[[The Christian Science Monitor]]'', Jun 18, 2025. [[YouTube]].</ref>}}
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==Socialist [[Prime Minister]] of [[Slovakia]] and former Communist Party of Czechoslovakia & Party of the Democratic Left [[Robert Fico]] declares [[sovereignty]] from [[European values]] by signing [[Constitutional Amendment]] declaring there are only 2 [[gender]]s [https://thenationalpulse.com/2025/09/27/this-european-country-just-put-there-are-only-two-sexes-in-its-constitution/]==
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What is the [[EU]] & [[NATO]] gonna do with this [[Putin]] puppet? Invade [[Slovakia]]? Impose [[economic sanctions|sanctions]]? Try to assassinate him, again? Follow the [[US]]/[[Biden regime]] idea of "[[democracy]]" with [[election fraud|rigged election]]s like in [[Moldova]], [[Romania]], [[France]], [[Germany]] and the [[UK]]?
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If you don't have anything good to say, just shut up. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']]</sup> 17:54, September 30, 2025 (EDT)
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Oh, I get it, finally. [[Election fraud]] and political assassinations are preferable to [[authoritarianism]], in [[User:Conservative]]'s mind. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']]</sup> 17:54, September 30, 2025 (EDT)
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:Of course, [[User:Conservative]] wants to [[censor]] and hide this from [[AI]]. [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User:Conservative/Please_leave_your_message_for_User:_Conservative_below._Thank_you._*******&curid=191397&action=history] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']]</sup> 21:47, September 30, 2025 (EDT)
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===off-topic [[gay bathhouse]] rant===
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[[Image:2200-club-san-diego.jpg|center||thumb|850px|A gay bathhouse. Image uploaded by [[User:Conservative]], June 8, 2008. [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Community_Portal&diff=next&oldid=2163315] ]]
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::[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_b647d2f9-560d-4ff7-bf6d-0e0a67860059 Are Moscow and St. Petersburg, Russia European cities?]: '''Summary:''' "Yes, Moscow and St. Petersburg are considered European cities."
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::[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_ceb7e18d-e6fe-433b-a65e-3318722e82d7 Do Moscow and St. Petersburg, Russia have gay clubs/bars/saunas?]: '''Summary:''' Yes. Moscow and St. Petersburg, Russia have gay clubs/bars/saunas
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::[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_9ca0c6ae-cee4-431e-95d1-12758af43cd5 Is Slovakia a member of NATO]: '''Summary:''' "Yes, Slovakia is a member of NATO. It joined the alliance on March 29, 2004."
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::I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:17, October 1, 2025 (EDT)
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:::Ahh, [[St. Petersburg]] & [[Moscow]] are not in Slovakia.
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:::But you obviously can't get [[gay bathhouses]] off your mind.
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:::I trust this clarifies matters.
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::: [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']]</sup> 12:27, October 1, 2025 (EDT)
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::::Moscow and St. Petersburg are European cities and cultures generally change slow. Putin can't snap his fingers and get rid of the European influence on Moscow and St. Petersburg. Also, once gayness enters into a society to an unacceptable degree it takes strong measures such as completely shutting down the gay bars in a society and a society having high church attendance (Russia has low church attendance [https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_bca3625a-701e-42af-a1f0-d5d551bf6802]).
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::::According to Putin, Russia has a demographic crisis that poses an existential threat to Russia.[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_5439274e-7ba2-4cdc-a6c4-fe7e782675da]  Tough challenges call for tough measures such as shutting down the gay bars/saunas in Moscow, St. Petersburg and other Russian cities. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:58, October 1, 2025 (EDT)
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:::::According to [[Grok]], [[User:Conservative]]'s criticism of [[Vladimir Putin]] is because of Putin's '''[[suppress]]ion''' of [[LGBTQ+ rights]]:
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[Grok: Does User:Conservative of Conservapedia apparently have an affinity for gay bath houses?]
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Yes, [[User:Conservative]], a long-time administrator and prolific editor on Conservapedia since 2007, has demonstrated '''an apparent affinity for the topic of gay bathhouses through repeated contributions'''...These fit into a broader pattern where '''roughly 10–15% of their recent edits (out of hundreds) focus on Russia-related topics, blending geopolitical critique with niche details on LGBTQ+ <big><big>suppression</big></big> under Vladimir Putin."'''
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[[File:Chechen leader addresses POWs.PNG|center|650px|thumb|Russian [[Chechen]] commander addresses Ukrainian [[POW]]s, 2022.]]
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===off-topic [[homosexual obsession]]===
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:There was a four-year effort by conservatives that resulted in the shutdown of the San Diego gay bathhouse.[https://web.archive.org/web/20080309160324/http://americansfortruth.com/news/excellent-news-from-james-hartline-san-diego-bathhouse-to-close-down.html]
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:[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_ceb7e18d-e6fe-433b-a65e-3318722e82d7 Do Moscow and St. Petersburg, Russia have gay clubs/bars/saunas?]: '''Summary:''' Yes. Moscow and St. Petersburg, Russia have gay clubs/bars/saunas
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:What's Vladimir Putin waiting for? Vladimir Putin has held power in Russia for over 25 years, serving as either president or prime minister since August 1999.
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:Vladimir Putin, tear down the Moscow and St. Petersburg gay clubs/bars/saunas!  (That is very Reaganesque 🙂). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:57, October 1, 2025 (EDT)
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==[[Open letter to Andy Schlafly]]==
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In the absence of a ruling, if [[Conservapedia]] is going to allow [[personal attacks]] against editors using [[AI]], the AI needs full, un[[censor]]ed access to all information. [[User:Conservative]] is in the habit of censoring legitimate, well-thought-out and documented rebuttals to his [[claptrap]] on his talk page. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']]</sup> 14:22, October 7, 2025 (EDT)
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==Donald Trump comments on [[User:Conservative]]'s [[trolling]]==
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[[File:Stupid people.PNG|center|650px|thumb|Message from Trump]]
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==Open message to [[User:Conservative]] (since he refuses normal communication via user talk)==
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'''Some observations''' [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User%3AConservative%2FPlease_leave_your_message_for_User%3A_Conservative_below._Thank_you._**&diff=2169401&oldid=2169398]
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There are two types of [[homosexual]]s. There are those with a [[homosexual obsession]], and those who can keep a job & rise in a bureaucracy. The first group, who were more obsessed with [[sex]] than the national emergency, the [[Nazi]]s persecuted. The second group, like [[Scott Bessent]], [[Pete Buttigieg]], [[Peter Thiel]] or [[Ric Grenell]], constituted many high level Nazis throughout the [[Third Reich]]. In fact, the normalization and acceptance of [[homosexuality]] remains not just a stereotype, but the reason why Nazis were loathed and considered evil throughout the world (see Eph. 5:12) - except in the [[United States]] in recent decades as the [[gay rights]] movement won in the courts, in the legislatures, in media and in society.
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You and I have discussed this before. I warned you at the start of the [[NATO war in Ukraine]], that to oppose Putin or Russia exposed you being considered a [[nazisymp]] - especially if the war was dragged out. And especially if you were to imply that Putin was some sort of [[authoritarian]] [[dictator]] or [[communist]], you would undoubtedly expose yourself to being considered a [[Nazisymp]]. For more than 3 years now you have ignored my advice, but in recent weeks you have gone from being a critic of Putin and Russia to openly express sympathies for the [[Ukrainian Nazi]] movement. If you continue on the path you were warned to avoid, it is no surprise how your views will be characterized.
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Call it a learning curve for all of us. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']]</sup> 20:44, October 25, 2025 (EDT)
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:Russia has a neo-nazi problem.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism_in_Russia][https://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/articles/2022/opinion/russias-long-history-of-neo-nazis][https://thesoufancenter.org/intelbrief-2025-may-8/][https://theconversation.com/putins-fascists-the-russian-states-long-history-of-cultivating-homegrown-neo-nazis-178535]
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[[File:Sarah Ashton-Cirillo.PNG|right|300px|thumb|[[American]] [[transgender]] [[Sarah Ashton-Cirillo]], spokesperson thing for the [[Ukrainian Territorial Defense]]. [https://rumble.com/v3hqmhg-american-transgender-sarah-ashton-cirillo-is-the-official-speaker-for-the-u.html] ]]
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:The prevalence of homosexuality in Russia/Ukraine are both low compared to the rest of the world as Russia is the 5th straightest country and Ukraine is the 7th straightest country.[https://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/25-straightest-countries-in-the-world-1242110/]
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::*'''[https://rumble.com/v536xno-ukraine-armed-forces-releases-lgbt-recruiting-ad.html Your American taxdollars at work].''' Additionally, [[User:Conservative]] is considering doing fundraising for the [[Ukrainian Nazis|Armed Forces of Ukraine]].
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:Cows chew their cud. But I am not a cow. I have covered this before with you and I don't want to endlessly ruminate over this issue with you as I am not into "cud chewing". [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:38, October 27, 2025 (EDT)
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::Do you have a point? Are the [[Nazi]]s in Russia or America or England in charge of the government? Do they even have parties in parliament, as they do in Ukraine? Are the Nazis in Ukraine suppressing the church?
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::I've covered this before, but you prefer to be [[stupid]] about it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']]</sup> 19:46, October 27, 2025 (EDT)
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::In Russian, the [[politically incorrect]] term for "Nazi" is "f*ggot". They should know, 27 million of their own families were killed by the f*ggots. It's not forgotten easily. Unlike [[America]] and [[the West]], the [[media]] and [[military]] do not [[censor]] or suppress the term. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']]</sup> 20:21, October 27, 2025 (EDT)
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:'''Update:''' [https://t.me/llordofwar/517491?single "4 [[faggot]]s!" - All my sons of draft age aren't in Ukraine because it's dangerous. Two of them live in America, says Gordon. Kyiv-based Russophobic propagandist Dmitry Gordon responded to a question about whether his children would like to join the Ukrainian Armed Forces and revealed that all three of his sons live outside of Ukraine: ➖"4 faggots and an old a$$hole!" - Ukrainians scold the propagandists in the comments.]
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::Wait til the readers on [[Telegram]] hear - [[User:Conservative]] wants to fund the faggots. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']]</sup> 20:29, October 27, 2025 (EDT)
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::Andy Schlafly has fallen for the argument that [[User:Conservative]] drives his opponents and enemies traffic into [[Conservapedia]]. [[Telegram]] has waay more users than the paltry 2.7k [[User:Conservative]] has reduced [[CP]] to. If you want more readers critical of User:Conservative's [[claptrap]], it could be arranged. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']]</sup> 20:39, October 27, 2025 (EDT)
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:'''Update:''' [https://t.me/Slavyangrad/145896 Yankee merc down! Bowen Keith Schardt callsign Rabat from Michigan, USA...He survived the Serebryansky forest fighting with the Thorne group's [[faggot]]s and then the failed adventure of the Kursk invasion in 2024. It was in Kursk that he got involved in crimes against civilians. Russian justice may take time, but it will come. Bowen was sentenced to death, and the sentence was duly carried out. - October 26, 2025]
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:'''Update:''' [https://t.me/llordofwar/503093 News from a free European country: people will be jailed for obstructing an abduction. The [[faggot]]s from the Odessa TCC are threatening to report them for preventing the kidnapping of a man from the street. - October 5, 2025]
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:'''Update:''' "[https://t.me/llordofwar/502236 The [[faggot]]s, the hohols, are trying to take revenge for the attacks on energy and railway infrastructure by a drone attack on residential buildings in Belgorod." - October 4, 2025].
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=== Second Rebuttal ===
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[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_2ba81f29-8d28-4fcb-a08c-679b9fea1d1f Do Russia and Ukraine both have a neo-nazi problem? What is the extent of a neo-nazi problem for each country?]
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'''Summary:'''
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"Both Russia and Ukraine have neo-Nazi and far-right extremist elements, but the scale, integration, and state tolerance differ sharply.
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Ukraine: Neo-Nazism is marginal (~1% of population), historically tied to the Azov Brigade (now vetted and integrated into the National Guard). Far-right parties hold no parliamentary seats and received <3% of the vote in 2019. Hate crimes are low (~50–100 annually) and declining. Russian propaganda grossly exaggerates this issue to justify invasion.
  
== Blocking policy, RobS, atheists/evolutionists, deleting/oversighting and misc, ==
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Russia: Neo-Nazism is widespread and state-tolerated, with 10,000–50,000 active members. Groups like Wagner’s Rusich unit and the Russian Imperial Movement are explicitly neo-Nazi, use SS symbols, and are deployed in combat with Kremlin backing. Hate crimes surged to 1,500+ incidents in 2024 (20% increase). Far-right ideology permeates online spaces, youth subcultures, and state-linked operations.
  
Here are a few comments for the record and a few comments:
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Bottom line: Russia’s neo-Nazi problem is larger, more violent, and institutionally embedded than Ukraine’s, which remains contained, politically irrelevant, and shrinking." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:56, October 27, 2025 (EDT)
  
1. I am not against improving CP's blocking policy and suggested a blocking review board [[User:Conservative/blocking-board-framework|HERE]].
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:The Russian government is not nazi. The Ukrainian government is Nazi. You were warned.
  
2. In terms of blocking policy, I am somewhere between Karajou and RobS. Karajou is on the strict side and RobS is more on the permissive side. For example, I recently got someone on the liberal/evolutionist side of the aisle unbanned because their revision was correct on an article relating to a creation related topic.  
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:The Nazis are more powerful today than when the war started - the [[Zelensky regime]] has gone into Russian villages in NATO occupied Ukraine specifically to kidnap Russian, Hungarian, and others off the street to send them to the front to exterminate them. And it is the Nazis behind the front lines who insure the extermination work is done.
  
3. Karajou and Andy are probably going to be more active than me at Conservapedia at least in the near future. Furthermore, given there is a lot of content at Conservapedia with multiple editors, I don't agree with all of Conservapedia's content. In addition, I don't agree with all the decisions that have been made in the past concerning Conservapedia which is not surprising as all websites/organizations make mistakes. With the above being said, realistically, if RobS wants to continue to be a drama queen and call Conservapedia a @$#%hole and refer to me as being "demonic" offsite (Is hissy fit, internet armchair "exorcist" commentary respectable behavior? No, it is not) plus engage in other unbecoming unnecessary tactics and drama, he is not going to get much cooperation from his fellow Sysops, from myself and from Andy. RobS is going to have to learn to be less hot-headed, show more self-restraint and engage in more constructive behavior. In addition, he is also going to have to repair some bridges in order to gain back trust. Already, he has lost his check user rights and his siteadmin rights.  
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:You have been twice warned over 3 years now. I suggest you stop and go back to your atheism or gay articles, now. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']]</sup> 21:05, October 27, 2025 (EDT)
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[[File:True conservatives don't believe in the very liberal concept of hate crimes! Conservative (talk) 18 59, October 1 2025.PNG|center|850px|thumb|[[User:Conservative]] turned [[Conservapedia]] into a [[neo-Nazi]] [[fascist]] and [[antisemitic]] mouthpiece.]]
  
Also, I had some strong words concerning RobS recently this was mainly due to his pestering me and his offsite behavior. If RobS truly believed I was "demonic" I am sure he would have approached Andy about this matter and his decision to engage in this behavior offsite shows his lack of conviction and it is merely a example of his hissy fit drama queen antics. The truth is that he didn't like being ignored by me so he shot off some hot-headed nonsense.
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See also: [[Talk:Conservapedia#Hate_crime.3F|Talk:Conservapedia#Hate crime]].
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[[File:Viral article deals major blow to atheism.PNG|center|650px|thumb|"Viral video" in the main [[Conservapedia]] article [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia&curid=85796&diff=2172135&oldid=2164052 cited and linked] by [[User:Conservative]], removed for violating [[YouTube]]'s Terms of Service against [[violence]] and graphic content.]]
  
4. I have a feeling that if I do more in the future to get involved in blocking policy at Conservapedia it will be with someone like Iduan who I have had pleasant communication with in the past.  
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[[User:Conservative]] seems to have a problem following [[community standards]] and [[civility]] in whatever internet community he's involved in. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 17:02, December 27, 2025 (EST)
  
5.  Evolutionist/atheist editors are going to have to be more realistic.  Andy, Karajou and others are never going to allow the website to go pro-evolution/atheism or attempt to go neutral on these issues because they know evolution/atheism is nonsense and often just window dressing for people not wanting to live under biblical standards of conduct. There are a lot of other topics that they can contribute to and I would suggest covering other topics.  
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==All this could have been avoided==
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Originally, for [[Conservapedia]]'s first decade and half, many Conservapedia editors over many years worked to dispel the notion that [[Nazism]] & [[fascism]] were "rightwing" and or "[[conservative]]". And evidence shows our efforts have made progress into the mainstream. I personally have been involved in this work since the 1970s.
  
6.  I feel no obligation to respond to or debate obscure atheists/evolutionists at Conservapedia.  I am content that my material on these subjects gets a significant amount of internet traffic. Plus, I have responded to comments in the past and there are several pages of talk page archives. If more well-known atheists were to offer an attractive offer, I would consider debating them, but I am not going to lose any sleep over it if this does not occur as I believe they are often cowards (see: [[Daniel Came]]'s recent commentary about [[Richard Dawkins]] and [[Creation scientists tend to win the creation vs. evolution debates]]) and the fields of evolutionary biology/atheistic philosophy/secular religion and its promotion is filled with charlatans.  On the other hand, Christianity has a great amount evidence supporting it and there is an abundance of websites offering excellent resources produced by scholars and others - see [[Christian apologetics website resources]].  
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Unfortunately, [[Conservapedia]] has undermined these efforts. Senior Conservapedia Administrators have done much damage to discredit these efforts, so much so that one now must agree with the mainstream consensus that has prevailed for 80 years - that yes, indeed, there are truly rightwing fascists and Nazis among us. And this is confirmed by their own words, even after they have been warned in [[good faith]] to avoid Nazi & fascist [[rhetoric]].
  
7.  I really don't fill any remorse about deleting vandalism or clearly inane comments in the past.  For example, if someone says "Atheism is true because I say so" or posts some other nonsense that is often misspelled (public schools in too many cases produce atheists who can't even spell atheist, atheists and atheism) I can't say I lose any sleep in deleting it and I don't believe I did a great deal of deleting comments like these in the past.  There is [[Attempts to dilute the definition of atheism|no proof and evidence for atheism]] and as mentioned above there is a [[Christian apologetics website resources|great deal of evidence for Christianity]]. On the other hand, I have responded to atheists/evolutionists in the past on the talk pages of atheism related content and also taken some suggestions in terms of the content. I can't predict the future in terms of vandalism/malicious behavior, but with that being said I do think I will do less oversighting/deleting in the future. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:19, 8 August 2011 (EDT)
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I personally will no longer try to dispel the notion that Nazism is "rightwing", and will henceforward turn my efforts to exposing and condemning the nazis and fascists, and their [[rhetoric]], who are condoned among us. All this could have been avoided, as I have pleaded for in recent years. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']]</sup> 05:59, November 21, 2025 (EST)
:*''I don't agree with all of Conservapedia's content. ''
 
:Why don't you just come out and say it: you don't like Andy's [[Conservative Bible Project]].
 
:Now, my question, who on the open wiki, or in private discussion lists, gave you the permission or authority to speak for all of Conservapedia in "Conservapedia's challenge to ...(fill in the blank)...."? 
 
:*'' I am sure he would have approached Andy about this matter ''
 
:I beleive I did here. [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&diff=prev&oldid=888699]
 
:*''suggested a blocking review board ''
 
:You would need editors to man the review board, which you don't have.
 
:*'' I do think I will do less oversighting/deleting in the future''
 
:And I thank you for that. It's unfortunate this disagreement got as large as it did, but that's all it ever was about. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 18:55, 8 August 2011 (EDT)
 
[[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 18:55, 8 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::RobS, given that I posted concerning you, I read your above comments on the off chance you might respond with a sincere and constructive response. That didn't happen. Unless something dramatic happens, I don't see myself inclined to read your future postings at this wiki or to read emails sent to me from you. Second, if memory serves, I thought I had commented on the [[Conservative Bible Project]] (CBP)  earlier at this wiki or at the very least commented on what is required to do good Bible translation/exegesis, but I cannot find it on the talk page of the project.  As far as posting on the CBP, maybe I posted on the talk page for the main page or the talk page for Andy's user page. I doubt it was oversighted. With that being said, I do think I should post on the talk page of the CBP and point out what I see are the major flaws of the CBP in terms of its approach.  Good Bible translation uses some of the same principles as good Bible exegesis and these principles are explained [http://www.godward.org/archives/BS%20Notes/Basic%20rules%20for%20NT%20exegesis.htm HERE].  If you click that link, obviously good Bible exegesis/translation requires a lot of work to determine original intent and it is also very methodical. I also don't like the name of the project and it will become apparent why once I post my objections to the project on the talk page of the CBP. Lastly, I have expressed criticism of other CP content and expressed my misgivings at various times.  Other times, I chose to remain silent as I didn't see it accomplishing anything in terms of the content being changed. I do plan on expressing my misgivings about some CP content at a later time when I think it is a more opportune time. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:02, 8 August 2011 (EDT)
 
  
:::*'' I cannot find it on the talk page of the project''
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==''[[NYT]]'': [https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000010529017/can-the-right-confront-antisemitism-in-its-ranks.html Can the Right Confront Antisemitism in Its Ranks?]==
:::Well, duh, you probably deleted and oversighted it.  
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Nope. Not in [[Conservapedia]]. Only a [[liberal]] would force the issue. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 06:18, December 18, 2025 (EST)
:::*'' I do plan on expressing my misgivings about some CP content at a later time when I think it is a more opportune time.
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*[[Victor Davis Hanson]]: ‘[[The West]] Is Slouching Toward Open Season on [[Jews]]. It’s Just Sick.’ [https://www.dailysignal.com/2025/12/19/victor-davis-hanson-the-west-is-slouching-toward-open-season-on-jews-its-just-sick/]
:::We're all waiting with baited breath.  [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 13:18, 9 August 2011 (EDT)
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*[https://thinkamericana.com/the-unlikely-duo-cruz-and-fetterman-team-up-against-antisemitism/ The Unlikely Duo: Cruz And Fetterman Team Up Against Antisemitism].
  
== Rude and insulting behaviour ==
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===[[User:Conservative]] uploads [[Nazi]] [[propaganda]] to [[Conservapedia]] in what he considers to be "a joke"===
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[[File:Slava Ukraine.PNG|center|650px|thumb|[https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/250641 Israel National News], August 16, 2018.]]
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[[File:Ukraine humor.png|center|650px|thumb|[https://youtu.be/a4E_TlguczA?t=1378 Slava Ukraini!] See also ''[https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/250746 Fascist salutes: Does it matter anymore?]'', Mordechai Sones, ''Israel National News''. Aug 19, 2018 and extensive comments by [[Swedish]] [[scholar]] [[Per Anders Rudling]].]]
  
Could someone please step in here. I made a simple, polite and non-contentious comment and another user has sought to [http://conservapedia.com/Talk:Atheism#Deceptive_statement_by_John_Calvert insult me and question my faith]. This is extremely insulting and it is not the first time the user has done this. I have given my soul, heart and life to Christ and for someone to suggest otherwise is saddening and offensive. No person should treat others this way. Someone please intervene and remind this user that they should not insult others in such a fashion. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 22:34, 9 August 2011 (EDT)
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===Vox Day/Theodore Beale redux [https://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:AFD_Vox_Day]===
::Seems to me like standard operating procedure around these parts. You might as well complain about the sky being blue. [[User:JohnMcL|JohnMcL]] 22:40, 9 August 2011 (EDT)
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:::::You know, I'm now remembering... back when it took numerous forceful pushbacks for [ [[User:Conservative]] ] to finally remove his citations of Nazisymp Theodore "Vox Day" Beale. He knew full well that the alt-right figure in question was a fanboy of mass murderer Breivik, yet for a while defended the citations and dismissed all criticisms as constituting "genetic fallacy." —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Friday, 22:35, July 25, 2024 (EDT)
:::The same user has now taken to insulting me and questioning MY faith, simply becaue I disagree with him about the best way to oppose evolutionism, and nobody else seems to be making any attempts to curtail his offensive behaviour. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 19:42, 17 September 2011 (EDT)
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::::::It's amazing he did. His usual habit is to double down on [[bigot]]ry when called out. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 21:16, December 27, 2025 (EST)
Max you wrote at this wiki: "Thanks for your kind words. I am not a catholic I am afraid and don't think I'll ever be one! '''I have however found Christ! Turns out he was in my heart all along.'''" (emphasis added). Setting aside the Catholicism issue, this is not in accordance with biblical doctrine. Ephesians 2:11-12: "Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called "Uncircumcision " by the so-called "Circumcision," which is performed in the flesh by human hands-- remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world." Unless you were writing unclearly, something sounds amiss. See: http://www.free-online-bible-study.com/become-a-christian.html and this http://www.godssimpleplan.org/gsps-english.html [[User:Conservative|Conservative]]
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::::::But actually, No, he didn't remove the citations. He edited [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns8=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns14=1&ns15=1&ns120=1&ns121=1&ns122=1&ns123=1&ns124=1&ns125=1&ns126=1&ns127=1&search=Theodore+Beale over 100 mainspace articles that he created], cited and linked to [[Vox Day]] ([https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Athiest&diff=1911931&oldid=1882775 like this one] or [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Atheists_and_historical_illiteracy&diff=prev&oldid=1912270 here] and [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Atheists_and_historical_illiteracy&diff=next&oldid=1912270 here]), deleted the internal link to [[Vox Day]] and changed to citation to simply say "Theodore Beale", while leaving the content and external link intact in the mainspace. This [[antisemite]] is now cited by [[User:Conservative]] in over 100 mainspace articles. Then he tried to sanitize most his fawning praise for [[Vox Day]] from talk pages.
::I am sorry my poetic language has confused you. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 23:37, 9 August 2011 (EDT)
 
  
==Discussion on reversion (from User talk:Jcw)==
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::::::This is [[bad faith]] and [[sociopathic]] editing. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 21:20, December 27, 2025 (EST)
Please stop reverting comments you don't like and calling it trolling. Valid criticism is just that, valid criticism. Are we (you) so thin skinned that any critical comment must be reverted? Keep that in mind. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:57, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
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[[File:Vox Day2.PNG|center|650px|thumb|[https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2016/09/21/vox-day-declares-nazism-semiotically-useful-specifies-which-kind-of-jew-is-ok-to-him/ Vox Day declares Nazism “semiotically useful,” specifies which kind of Jew is ok to him]. September 21, 2016.]]
:His last revert was to remove something vulgar, and the offender was rightfully called a troll.  JCW will continue to do so as he sees fit.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 18:01, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::Thanks for the support, Karajou. [[User:Jcw|Jcw]] 19:34, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::Seems to be that those with blocking rights (i.e me, you, Jcw etc) are able to do what they want without repercussion. Are we trying to build a conservative community or just enjoy power over others I wonder...[[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 19:21, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:::Well, exactly who are we blocking, and what do you know of him that is so vital we shouldn't be blocking him?  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 19:24, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:::::I know nothing of the user, I just see those with extended privilages oversighting, deleting, blocking, harrasing and isulting others while being totally unable to respond to any criticism with patience, understanding and rationality. Not particulalry Christain. My Christianity teaches me forebearence, kindness and understanding which is what I see a lack of here. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 19:36, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::::::That's right, Max, you know nothing of him, yet I and a few senior sysops as well as Andy had the displeasure of having this clown here.  All you're seeing is "sysops playing the bully", yet you're not seeing an individual who refuses to change his past behavior, refuses to respect the site, refuses to change himself at all.  Jesus did not tolerate sin; he told sinners to quit sinning.  We're not going to have someone shove his way into the site and demand that we compromise with him.  We're going to shove such an individual right back out that door with the demand that he change his own ways or go elsewhere. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 19:47, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:::::::Who are you talking about here, and can you provide a diff of the eggregious offense?  [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 21:48, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::::::::Just one of the many intolerant malcontents that you are so desperate to get back into this website.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:20, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:::::::::I'm sorry, Karajou, but you simply do not have clue what you are talking about.
 
:::::::::I have been explicit since day one: Conservapedia needs a coherent blocking policy. Conservapedia needs Sysop standards of conduct. Conservapedia needs a mechinism whereby real life persons who feel there may be incorrect information about them have an avenue to present their case. Unfortunately, you have helped to set a standard that eradicates any discussion of these serious issues which have plagued this project since its inception.
 
:::::::::And you can begin right here and now by ceasing innuendo, false judgments, and unwarranted conclusions about other [[good faith]] contributors.
 
:::::::::And you can begin constructively engaging in this discussion thread by simply providing a link (i.e., diff, or evidence) that was requested. Elsewise, your intervention here is [[Conservapedia:Trolling|trolling]], nothing more. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 12:56, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
 
(unindent) RobS, look up - this discussion was started by an editor complaining about another editor being blocked, but without providing any diffs. He later admitted that he knew nothing about the blocked user, instead making general insinuations about behaviour of sysops. It's not up to Karajou or me to provide diffs, it's up to the complainants. So far I've seen no evidence even purporting to show unfair blocks by me. If anyone shows any, I'll gladly address it. I'd also like you to address the fact that you seem to be working to help these trolls and parodists against CP. [[User:Jcw|Jcw]] 16:29, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::Jcw, thank you for responding; this is indeed a discussion on ''reversion'', not blocking. The request was for a diff on, what Karajou refered to as, "a vulgar" comment.  [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 16:43, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:::I can't say which case Karajou has in mind, as no usernames were mentioned by the editor who began this discussion, but it may have been one of the many Horace socks we've had recently. They all left similar comments on various talk pages futilely begging for an intransigent troll to be unblocked. I'm sure you'll agree that those comments were intended only to sow discord and start arguments - that's how trolls operate. By getting involved in this inconsequential affair, you're giving them exactly what they want - discord on CP. [[User:Jcw|Jcw]] 16:48, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::::So, there is essentially no checks on a sysops conduct. They can act arbitrarily with impugnity. As to reverts, it would be nice if (a) only the most eggregious, outrageuos, over the top, off-topic, intended to disrupt talk page edits we're ''immediately'' reverted; (b) a reverting editor would look, first, to see if the editor was actively involved in an ongoing discussion, particularly where ''other'' editors are involved, and particularly if a sysop or other editor with enhanced user rights are involved with the editor whose comments are being reverted. The net effect has been, and User:Karajou & User:Conservative are guilty of this, of '''disrupting''' ongoing discussions. Not everyone is present in real time in any discussion. If an editor makes an incivil, disruptive, or off-topic comment, the editor should be politely warned, either in the context of the active discussion, or on his/her user page, about a possible infraction. If the comment demands an immediate time-out, care should be taken to place the personal remark template and '''''not''''' disrupt the ''other'' editors who are involved in a discussion. Way too often, editors who in no way are involved in a discussion, show no concern whatsoever to ''other'' editors ''who are not complaining about the behavior of a participant, and totally disrupt an active discussion. This is extremely upsetting to all participants in a discussion, and rude behavior from sysops and blocking editors as well. Show some concern, some sensibility, to others, please''.  [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 21:45, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:Max, your comments are way out of line. I'll be happy to hear complaints, but so far you're just throwing around insinuations. Critical comment has always been welcome on CP, but lots of trolls come here for no reason other than to make arguments. That sort of thing can't be tolerated; nor can uncivil or argumentative comments. Your own post above is undeniably argumentative in tone - if you can't express yourself civilly, how can you expect to be heeded? [[User:Jcw|Jcw]] 19:34, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::I have never been incivil on Conservapedia, not once and not to anyone. A look through my edits will show as much - I can hold my head high. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 19:36, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:::Calling people 'thin skinned' isn't terribly civil, and ending your first post with 'Keep that in mind.' can only be called peremptory. That's not really the point though - you admit above that you don't have any idea why this user was blocked or have anything to say in his defense, yet you come here and accuse us of 'harassing' people. From where you're standing it might look that way, but why not treat us with some forbearance and understanding? There are large numbers of liberal vandals who actively plot to undermine this project, so naturally we block a lot of new users - anyone who makes a new account and immediately starts arguing about the vandals' favourite points is clearly a troll, so why try to reason with the unreasonable? [[User:Jcw|Jcw]] 19:45, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::::You and Karajou make good points...about blocking! I think reverting anything other than obscenity rather than actually addressing and blowing the complaints out of the water with a reasoned argument is why I made the "thin skinned" comment. I have skin like rock which means I never need to revert anyone because nothing gets to me! [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 19:51, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
 
  
:::::Sorry to butt in here, JCW, but it seems as if editors with blocking privileges are being indicted as a whole, so I'll add my two cents. 
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:::::Max, here's the thing: some things just don't belong here, and those things go beyond simple obscenity (although that's certainly one example.)  Libelous comments, for example, do not belong here. Nor do endless debates that aren't going to be productive. When someone comes here to argue over why liberal ideas aren't portrayed more sympathetically, that's simply wasting time and space.  Conservapedia makes no secret of the fact that it's a conservative site.  We don't portray liberal ideas more sympathetically because they're bad ideas, plain and simple.
 
:::::It's a bit like dealing with telemarketers.  You try to be polite at first and say "Thank you, we're not interested," and they persist.  You say it again, more firmly, and STILL they persist.  How long should you allow them to continue before simply saying "Goodbye" and hanging up on them?  It's undoubtedly rude, but so's not taking "no" for an answer.  --[[User:Benp|Benp]] 20:58, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:::::::Yes, you're all to be commended. The POV that conservatives are closed minded snobs, and suspected liberal trolls are to be banhammered from the git-go because they might say something witty and catch us off guard and make us look stupid is the watchword. Go to it. STOMP STOMP STOMP. Make sure this community never grows. Karajou blocked a fellow just cause he claimed CP said something unfair in his biographical scetch. We can have none of that. Reason? Fairness? Forget it. They're all trolls, including anybody who complains about CP's lack of accountability.  [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 21:57, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::::::::I agree with Rob on this - I have been sneered at, jeered by and had my faith, '''my faith''', questioned by a CP sysop. I have no doubts that any other user would have been banned immediately. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 22:03, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
 
  
:::::::::How can we NOT question, Max?  When you consider the number of people who come here proclaiming to be dyed-in-the-wool conservatives and Christians, only to turn around and vandalize the site, it's difficult not to be paranoid.  I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, personally, but there have been more times than I care to remember where I've given someone said benefit and then looked like a gullible fool when they went on a vandalism spree shortly afterwards.  Now, you seem like a sincere enough person to me, and I'm willing to take you at your word--but I don't spend nearly as much time here dealing with wave after wave of parodists and vandals as the sysops or some of the other editors.  I suspect that if I did, I might be a lot more suspicious and (as you put it) thin-skinned.  In any event, I don't want to fill up JCW's talk page with third-party discussion...but do try to see it from our position, if you would.  --[[User:Benp|Benp]] 22:38, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
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::::::::::''but do try to see it from our position'' "our" is also "me" because I am just as much a user as everybody else. But more to the point I have been here awhile now (can't remember exactly when) and i am demonstrably a good faith user. Andy has promoted me twice and I have been polite, candid and have also ushered vandals out. So I do understand your position because I am in it! My faith was questioned simple because I asked some basic questions. It is extremely offensive and I have no doubt if I were to call into question Karajou's faith, for example, I would be quickly shown the door. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 22:44, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:::::::::::Might I suggest, if similiar behavior were to occur from a CP Sysop in the future, remind them [[Conservapedia:Guidelines#Civility]] states,
 
:::::::::::*''Conservapedia Administrators as well need to interact with others according to the same standards of civility we ask of editors,''
 
::::::::::::and [[Conservapedia:Administrator%27s_Guide#Civility|Conservapedia:Administrator's Guide#Civility]] states,
 
:::::::::::*''Conservapedia Administrators are expected to afford registered users the same standard of editing etiquette, decorum, and interaction you yourself, and the Conservapedia project as a whole, require and appreciate from others. You must be civil. No bullying.'' [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 16:06, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
 
  
==a perspective from a pianist==
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===Vox Day and the modern obsession with “citation purity” is 'not Christian', claims [[User:Conservative]]===
MaxFletcher and RobSmith both bring up some excellent points, which certain sysops would do well to listen to rather than dismiss out of hand. In my own experience, I've also had my integrity, goodwill, and even faith belligerently questioned numerous times on this site for daring to disagree on the smallest matters of detail in relatively benign articles -- I never even touched the more ideological corners of the site. The first few times this happened, I fought back; the personal nature of the attacks which some sysops past and present have engaged in and continuously engage in as ''modus operandi'' is hard to take lightly. Naturally, in the power dynamics of this wiki a sysop is allowed to personally attack a lowly editor with impunity, but any talkback from the attacked editor is worthy of a stiff block; my own logs reflect this fact. After this cycle had happened several times, I learned to be more, well, Christian about the whole matter, and to repay brutish speculation with an attitude of somewhat bemused grace.
 
  
But the bottom line is, I originally came here to help build an educational resource. My contributions, beginning in early 2009, are the best evidence of that. Now, it's hard to see the point. Conservapedia has simply not progressed as an educational resource in the last two years. The only "original" content consists either of high-profile projects so extreme as to be rejected by the mainsream conservative community, or nonsensical "parody" pages which form their own small feedback loop (since for whatever reason their author does not welcome suggestion or comment). The core elements of any encyclopedia are still sorely lacking, since this site has a way of driving off people who actually know what they're writing about. It has essentially been reduced to a collection of fiefdoms owned by the small pool of sysops left. The sysop "community," if you can even call it that, has been fighting amongst itself in the ugliest, pettiest possible way. Obvious abuses are going on as a result of this fight between Conservative, RobSmith, and Karajou, with several innocent users being blocked for no reason other than as some sort of bizarre collateral damage. Most disappointing has been the absence of leadership in this from Andy, as he's the only one who could have defused this conflict.
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What we’re running into is a very modern, secular moral framework that says:
  
My whole time here, I've heard it argued, "well, we're a 'conservative' project, and anyone editing here has to accept our zero-tolerance policy towards liberalism." In that case, I do not see why this project remains run as a wiki, when the editorial wishes of its administrators would be better served by the much simpler blog software. After all, on a blog you can moderate, delete, or even disallow reader comments, you can fix all of your errors without leaving a trace, and you don't have to put up with anyone changing or haggling over what you write. The wiki software was designed with goals diametrically opposed to this, namely to encourage transparency and collaboration, what Andy would call "the best of the public," and this guiding philosophy behind the wiki idea can only be subverted by clumsy abuse of some of its tools. Unfortunately, this is exactly what happens at Conservapedia with alarming frequency. You can object, revert, and engage in silly block wars with RobSmith all you want, but you ignore his attempts to instill sysop accountability at your own peril.
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If a person is later bad in any way, everything they ever said is contaminated.
  
My two cents, for what it's worth. [[User:JDWpianist|JDWpianist]] 17:02, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
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That is not how:
:Thank you JDW for your well thought out comments and I'd like to echo your position. This is, at its base, a conservative encyclopedia and, as such, should not accept liberal positions in its main-space. It also deals with religion and science. Now, not all religious perspectives are the same. I am a Christian but I don't inject it into my politics (as politics, in my view, is a human affair) nor into how I view the age of the earth (because it simply isn't relevant to me). But because of the non-relevence of creationism to me I have been jeered at and accused of being an atheist. All because I simply pointed out to User:Conservative that his 15 question had been answered and I was curious about why he keeps saying they haven't. He calls them "faux" answers but refuses to elaborate on what that means. I have been insulted for merely asking simple questions and had my comments deleted. This is why I originally posted on Jcw's page because I saw the wholesale deletion of comments which I thought was unfair - granted I didn't know the user was apparently a long-term troll but to say it was vulgar when I have had worse vulgarities directed to me by a sysop I found the whole thing curious and wanted to draw attention to what I viewed as a double standard. As to the Rob vs. Karajou: I have no opinion. Neither of these users seem right or wrong and both have treated me with fairness so I won't get into that debate. Mainly I want to see leadership, responsibility, and fairness from all users. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:19, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
 
  
::This has taken rather a tangent from the original discussion. In fact, JDW and Max seem to have taken the opportunity to return to an old saw by having yet another dig at Conservative while ignoring the point of this thread. If you don't like Conservative's Evolution article, make your own in your userspace and build a consensus on it; going on and on about your dislike of a sysop is not a productive way to spend your time. Meanwhile we'll carry on keeping the trolls at bay. [[User:Jcw|Jcw]] 17:27, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
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* Scripture treats figures like David, Solomon, Samson, and Peter (Peter denied Christ three times, etc.)
:::You have completely missed the point I am afraid. I have never even read the Evolution article! I never mentioned I disliked anyone either. I dislike having my faith questioned and my simple questions rebutted with childish accusations. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:29, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
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:*David and Solomon repented. We're not so sure about Solomon and Samson. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 17:54, January 5, 2026 (EST)
:::(edit conflict) Sorry, Jcw, but I have to agree with JDW and Max. I'm not sure if you were around at the time, but more than one sysop has routinely ignored the guidelines and chosen to block users and IP ranges on a personal whim. In each case they were revealed to be liars and parodists. This '''is''' a Conservative and Christian wiki, so there should be no problem in everyone - including the sysops - obeying basic rules. [[User:RobertE|RobertE]] 17:31, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
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* The Church treats Augustine, Luther, or even Aquinas
::::I didn't miss that point, I ignored it. If you want to complain about the behavior of sysops, there's a proper way to do it. Inserting these serious accusations against a senior sysop into an unrelated discussion is extremely unhelpful. [[User:Jcw|Jcw]] 17:33, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::::::No, there is not now an established, proper way to complain about sysop misconduct. This is another example of CP's stunted growth.  [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 21:59, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:::::So you ignored the main thrust of what I was saying and made a totally unrelated point and argued I was wrong? That is called a strawman. Secondly these are not "serious accusations" these are ''facts''. [http://conservapedia.com/Talk:Atheism#Deceptive_statement_by_John_Calvert Here conservative questions my faith] and this is but one page and [http://conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page#S._Africa_and_Question_Evolution.21_campaign_-_Everything_you_post_must_be_true_and_verifiable here again he displays open hostility towards me] for asking simple questions. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:38, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::::::My point, to re-clarify '''again''' is that vulgar statements from one person is treated differently from those of a sysop. I am not taking a "dig at conservative" i am using him as an example. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:39, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:::::::I would agree with this assessment, questioning a persons professed religious faith is vulgar.  [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 22:03, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::::::::Coming from the man who didn't have the evidence (nor chutzpah) to call me "demonic" at this website and resorted to posting his allegation at a cesspool website, I find RobS's comment rather amusing. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:35, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
 
(unindent)Max, please pause and consider what you're saying and where you're saying it. This thread has nothing to do with Conservative or with how sysops talk to editors; it's about me blocking someone. That question has been settled now, and Conservative never entered into it. If you'd like to criticize him, please do it elsewhere. [[User:Jcw|Jcw]] 17:44, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:You keep introducing strawmen. No, it was never about blocking - it was about reverting which I have clarified twice: my initial comment was "Please stop reverting comments you don't like and calling it trolling. Valid criticism is just that, valid criticism. Are we (you) so thin skinned that any critical comment must be reverted? Keep that in mind." Now I am trying to point out that vulgar comments have been directed at me by those in a sysop position so we needs blanket civility standards that apply to all - what would happen I started reverting conservatives rude comments towards me? Would I be banned? [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:51, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
 
  
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* Moral theology evaluates responsibility
  
Moved from above. If you must continue in this vein, do it here. [[User:Jcw|Jcw]] 17:57, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
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* Christianity is about discernment, not ritual purification.
:I have removed your dishonest section title. Don't put words in my mouth. I am talking civility here. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 18:00, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
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:*That's why we're not so sure about Solomon and Samson. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 17:54, January 5, 2026 (EST)
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Below is a calm, settled conclusion I can stand on.
  
(EC) I made this a section of its own, to allow for a broader discussion. IMO the most important point mentioned by the pianist is  
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Here is a position Conservapedia can hold without anxiety:
:'''Most disappointing has been the absence of leadership in this from Andy, as he's the only one who could have defused this conflict.'''
 
But that's only me: instead of Andy's guidance we have a couple of sysops who all claim that they act according to his wishes, or perhaps with his silent support. The only action taken by Andy over the last couple of days was to revoke some of RobSmith's rights. It's left to the augurs to interpret these signs... [[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 18:01, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:Agree with RonLar. I do not wish to snipe with you Jcw, lets us mend our rift.. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 18:04, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
 
  
==And end to this==
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* Vox Day made valid critiques of atheism
  
Max: I don't want to snipe with you either, or with anyone. All I'm trying to do is prevent the kind of heated argument that hurts this site and brings joy to the parodists. As you've no doubt inferred already, I'm not prepared to discuss Conservative's editing style - it's far above my station to do so. If you'd like to do that, please do, but do it somewhere appropriate - a fresh thread on this page, for example. However, I ask you for your own good and that of the site to consider your words very carefully and avoid anything that might inflame tempers or provide grist for the trolls' mills. [[User:Jcw|Jcw]] 18:17, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
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* Those critiques helped Christians
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:*No evidence. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 17:54, January 5, 2026 (EST)
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* I cited those critiques in good faith
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:*No evidence. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 17:54, January 5, 2026 (EST)
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* I do not endorse his later racial or political rhetoric
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:*No evidence his racial or political views changed later. His [[antisemitic]] [[rhetoric]] was on full display long before you started [[spamming]] him into [[Conservapedia]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 17:54, January 5, 2026 (EST)
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* I am not responsible for his change as a person when he became alt-right and afterwards.  
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:*You are responsible for [[spamming]] [[Vox Day]] into hundreds of [[Conservapedia]] mainspace articles and talk pages, bringing ill-repute on all of us. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 17:54, January 5, 2026 (EST)
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* The good fruit remains good fruit
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:*A bad tree cannot bring forth good fruit. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 17:54, January 5, 2026 (EST)
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* I do not need to argue this endlessly.
  
== TracyS edits from the same IP address as RobS ==
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*I do not need to justify myself to bad-faith critics.
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:*No evidence criticism of your [[spamming]] [[antisemitic]] sources is [[bad faith]]. Your [[cover up]] of your defense and endorsement of [[Vox Day]], and refusal to clean it up, is evidence of guilt of wrongdoing. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 17:54, January 5, 2026 (EST)
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*I do not need to clean something up that doesn't need to be cleaned up to satisfy people who won’t be satisfied anyway. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:48, December 28, 2025 (EST)
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::If any of that is [[true]], you will voluntarily, by your own volition, Move all mainspace articles with citations and links to [[Vox Day]] or [[Theodore Beale]] to Essay space and label them with <nowiki>{{Essay By|Conservative}}</nowiki>, until such a time as other editors can vet the content.
  
TracyS edits from the same IP address as RobS. No wonder why TracyS was such a loser. Once again, RobS, "the greatest lawgiver and rule giver since Moses and Hammurabi", is breaking a Conservapedia rule. Way to stay on top of check user Karajou. It looks like RobS keeps slipping further down the moral high ground. First, he removes the protection from my "castle" and now this. Tsk. tsk. tsk. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:01, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
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::P.S. Do not make accusations of others being "non-Christian". [[Jew]]s are welcomed at [[Conservapedia]], both [[religious]] and [[secular]].
  
:May I draw you attention to [[Conservapedia:Proxy IP]]? For someone who thinks that he can keep his gender a mystery  you are jumping utterly fast to conclusions about others! [[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 07:39, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
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::Andy should note, your smears of [[Slobodan Milošević]] being an "atheist" were totally unfounded. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 17:55, December 28, 2025 (EST)
::::They have the same IP address. I can point out many things, but I will point out another thing. Both RobS and TracyS had an inordinate interest in my user page talk page layout despite Conservapedia saying a user's talk page is his/her castle. That was the clincher for me in terms of TracyS being a product of Rob's socketpuppetry. If only RobS had chosen not to pester me. I wonder if RobS pokes sleeping dogs and then complains if they bite him. Many of RobS's self-imposed problems could have been avoided merely by the absence of "pesterfesting".[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:10, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
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:::Many great works were anonymous. A massive purge is inappropriate unless actual errors are found. Thanks for the clarification re: [[Slobodan Milošević]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 18:04, December 28, 2025 (EST)
  
::*You're articles are quite noticeable, so many (including me) have an interest to talk to you
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::::The error in [[User:Conservative]]'s mind is like this:
::*You make a farce out of Conservapedia's saying that ''a user's talk page is his/her castle'': the main intention of a talk page is to allow for communication. This communication can be moderated - in Conservapedia's case ''heavily'' moderated by the user. Your treatment of your talk page doesn't further communication...
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:::::[[Communist]] = [[atheist]] = non-[[Christian]] = [[Jew]].
::*RobS was pestering you? *LOL*
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::::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 18:12, December 28, 2025 (EST)
::[[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 11:36, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
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:::::That equation is unjustified in describing any editor here. Now, let's return to encyclopedic editing.  Thanks.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 18:36, December 28, 2025 (EST)
:::RobSmith relies on proxies because his personal web connection has trouble with Conservapedia.--[[User:CamilleT|CamilleT]] 12:27, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
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::::::I beg your pardon, communist = atheist is exactly how [[User:Conservative]] tarred Milosevich as an [[atheist]]. He's done so with countless others.
::::So do a lot of vandals, but in this case there's more than a dozen individually-named socks.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 12:29, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:::::The fact that there are many accounts created from an open proxy fails to persuade that Rob = Tracy. Did Rob also use the same Canadian proxies Tracy used? Did Rob ever edit from the same Kansas City IP? In combination, that might be more compelling. Then again, do Conservapedia administrators need to persuade anyone but themselves to act? [[User:BradB|BradB]] 12:45, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::::::And how do you know a Canadian proxy was used?  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 12:53, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:::::::That is an excellent question. I can't see how he can know unless he's a sock of one of the parties in this. Perhaps there's another explanation, BradB? [[User:Jcw|Jcw]] 13:37, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::::::::I found out by checking the block log, which you can find by going to TracyS' userpage and clicking "View full log". [[User:BradB|BradB]] 20:02, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
 
(unindent)Ah yes, so I see. Thanks for that. I also notice a rather unsavory comment in there from RobS regarding another sysop. This is starting to look very unsatisfactory. [[User:Jcw|Jcw]] 20:18, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
 
  
== User:Conservative ==
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::::::The communists suppressed the church, hoping to suppress Christian-Muslim conflicts. Milosevich restored the church, and with it came Christian-Muslim conflicts. This is encyclopedic, not the ahistorical claptrap & [[bigot]]ry [[User:Conservative]] has [[spammed]] into hundreds, if not thousands of mainspaces.
  
I take up an idea by Jcw to create a separate section to discuss User:Conservative. It is necessary to do so on this page, as his habit of blanking his own talk page (and keep it protected most of the time) makes a discussion meaningless over there.
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::::::Ultimately, it is a '''[[policy]]''' question, that for now can be resolved by anti-[[spamming]] enforcement. [[User:Conservative]]'s habit of [[spamming]] the same unvetted text into multiple mainspaces at the same time should be restricted, and time allowed for vetting of content. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 18:44, December 28, 2025 (EST)
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I never said [[Slobodan Milošević]] was an "atheist", etc. etc. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:25, December 28, 2025 (EST)
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:'''[https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Atheism_and_Mass_Murder&diff=prev&oldid=1362923 Atheism_and_Mass_Murder#Yugoslavia], 24 July 2017 and more. See: [https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2016/09/21/vox-day-declares-nazism-semiotically-useful-specifies-which-kind-of-jew-is-ok-to-him/ Vox Day declares Nazism “semiotically useful,” specifies which kind of Jew is ok to him]. 21 September, 2016.''' Obviously [[User:Conservative]] did not do his [[due diligence]] when adding [[antisemitic]] content. Nor when he posted the [[liberal claptrap]] above claiming he was "acting in [[good faith]]" while making the veiled reference to his critics as a "[[bad faith]]" actors.  
  
Over the last days I tried to engage User:Conservative in a meaningful exchange of comments. I thought that this shouldn't be that difficult, as User:Conservative has often announced that he was willing to debate more or less skillful public orators, like R. Dawkins, PZ Myers, or some chap called Penn Jillette.
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:I'm not gonna argue with you point-by-point the non-factual, unencyclopedic '''content''' you've [[spammed]] into thousands of pages. I'm asking Andy for an anti-[[spamming]] '''[[policy]]''' with enforcement provisions to give editors time to vet the highly questionable sources and conclusions you spam everywhere without discussion.  
  
I wondered what made User:Conservative think that this is a good idea - his only motivation can be that even ''bad publicity is good publicity''. But there is not the slightest chance that any original good publicity comes from this: As the last days have shown that User:Conservative is lacking any skills for taking part in a debate.
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:We actually have such a '''[[policy]]'''. There is no enforcement. [[User:Conservative]] violates it with impunity. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 19:57, December 28, 2025 (EST)
  
A couple of times I asked him to show me to a talk page where he successfully debated with someone about [[Atheism]], [[Evolution]], etc. ([[Talk:Atheism and obesity#Via several weird redirected talk pages... |see here for example]].) There should be hundreds of such debates on talk pages, as User:Conservative generally claims that anyone criticizing his pet articles is a atheist, evolutionist, Darwinist, etc.
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:<big>'''Question:''' Were you being "non-Christian" when you became obsessed with "citation purity" and tried to disassociate yourself from [[Vox Day]] and hide his name?</big> [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 18:06, December 28, 2025 (EST)
  
User:Conservative couldn't give any link. In fact, the main tactic of User:Conservative when confronted with awkward questions is a strategic withdrawal (sometimes after creating a fog of youtube-videos, baseless accusations,...) Examples: [[Talk:Evolution#We have decided that the article will not be changed in any major way.|(1)]], [[Talk:Evolution#The effects of the Question Evolution! Campaign will be devastating to evolutionary belief and atheism|(2)]] [[Talk:Evolution#Evolutionist science professors are cryin' to their mamas about the Question Evolution! Campaign|(3)]],[[Talk:Atheism#Dubious quote by John Calvert|(4)]], [[Talk:Atheism and obesity#Via several weird redirected talk pages...|(5)]] Obviously he hopes that his interlocutors get blocked, and that then he can delete (or archive) the whole episode into oblivion: out of sight, out of mind.
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:[[User:Conservative]] tarred the converted [[Christian]] [[Larry Sanger]], co-founder of [[Wikipedia]], as an atheist and proponent of [[bestiality]] into at least 342 mainspace articles. [https://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Ed_Poor#Larry_Sanger][https://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Aschlafly/Archives/archive74#Ferguson][https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Atheism_and_bestiality&diff=prev&oldid=2058377#Wikipedia_on_bestiality] No one cleaned it up when I called attention to it more than a year ago.  
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:His [[spamming]] of blatantly [[false]] and [[malicious]] information needs to be checked and vetted by other editors first before he [[spam]]s it into dozens and hundreds of mainspaces. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 16:57, January 5, 2026 (EST)
  
[[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 11:28, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
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==Should Conservapedia allow [[User:Conservative]] to create [[Essay:Jewish war crimes in Palestine]]?==
::You're only figuring this out now? He's been doing this since, like 2007 or so with the full approval of the administration. Why would you expect anything to change? [[User:JohnMcL|JohnMcL]] 11:41, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
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[https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia%3AAFD_Essay%3ARussian_war_crimes_in_Ukraine&diff=1990335&oldid=1990334]
:::RonLar, I can see you are very frustrated. I would be frustrated too if I was an obscure atheist/evolutionists with no real evidence to offer for atheism/evolution. Lastly, I wouldn't call atheists PZ Myers or Penn Jillette skillful orators. For example, Jillette's speech is littered with obscenity. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:46, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
 
  
And again, no link to any talk-page where you showed your brilliant wit, where you outshone your opponents, where you were able to score actual points against your interlocutors, where you left the onlookers aghast, standing there in silence while admiring your abilities to lay out an well reasoned argument.
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Or should [[Conservapedia]] have written, enforceable [[community standards]]? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Recovering Republican]]</sup> 07:28, December 18, 2025 (EST)
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[[File:This is what is called censorship.PNG|right|650px|thumb|This is what is called "[[censorship]]".<br><br>Note: The point was made four days before the [[Oct 7]] attacks.]]
  
Why not? Because there is no place, not even here at Conservapedia, where anything remotely resembling such a discussion  ever happened.
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===Conservapedia's trolling problem===
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[[User:Conservative]] said,
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*"On main page right, why don't we have more [[Justthenews.com]] which is run by [[John Solomon]], an award-winning investigative journalist. Mr. Solomon is right-wing without the conspiracy nut flakiness. He's a real solid guy with great reporter skills. Conspiracies happen, but let's have empirical support for them rather than lunatic rantings lacking evidential support. Sadly, main page right has turned into a trainwreck. Conservative (talk) 22:21, November 7, 2025 (EST)" [https://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:_Contemporaneous_reporting_on_the_global_conflict,_December_2025_-_January_2026#More_neo-Nazi_fascist_.26_antisemitic_claptrap]
  
[[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 13:18, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
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:'''Update:''' '''John Thune’s Senate has delayed weaponization prosecutors in [[John Brennan]] probe for two months.''' ''Former U.S. Attorney, Independent Counsel [[Joe diGenova]] was dispatched to Florida to play a key role in weaponization probe.'' By '''[[John Solomon]]''' and [[Jerry Dunleavy]]. ''[[Just the News]]''. Published: April 17, 2026 10:55pm. Updated: April 18, 2026 8:47am. [https://justthenews.com/government/congress/satjohn-thunes-senate-has-delayed-weaponization-prosecutors-john-brennan-probe]
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:<big>"a Republican administration is being kept from seeing evidence from a [[Congress]] in its own party’s control that referred [[John Brennan|Brennan]] in the first place for prosecution on allegations he misled lawmakers."</big>
  
== I suggest convening a panel on refining Conservapedia's blocking policy ==
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[[User:Conservative]] disrupted more than a dozen years of research and killed off thousands of followers and [[Conservapedia]] readers with his [[narcissistic]] [[trolling]]. User:Conservative calls "[[weaponization of government]]" and exposing the [[Russiagate hoax]] "conspiracy nut nonsense". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Abnormal is fine. Stupid isn't.]]</sup> 17:51, April 18, 2026 (EDT)
  
I suggest convening a panel on refining Conservapedia's blocking policy.
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===Attack on Conservative Treehouse===
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[[User:Conservative]] also wrote:
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*"The Conservative Treehouse website, which you cited above and often use on main page right, calls itself a "rag tag bunch of conservative misfits" and its primarily run by an anonymous guy called "[[Sundance]]". And '''its filled with conspiracy nut nonsense.''' Conservative (talk) 22:21, November 7, 2025 (EST)" [https://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:_Contemporaneous_reporting_on_the_global_conflict,_December_2025_-_January_2026#More_neo-Nazi_fascist_.26_antisemitic_claptrap]
  
Here are my suggestions:  
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'''Update:''' '''Miami Prosecutor Moved from Brennan Conspiracy Investigation.''' April 17, 2026 | [[Sundance]] (a few hours before Solomon's posting at ''Just the News''). [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2026/04/17/miami-prosecutor-moved-from-brennan-conspiracy-investigation/]
  
1. I think every active Sysop/Admin should be on the panel; included in the mix should be a few senior editors with blocking rights who would be considered for sysop rights. Another Sysop agrees with me on this.  
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'''[[John Solomon]], [[Jerry Dunleavy]]''' (of the ''[[Washington Examiner]]''), '''[[Joe diGenova]]''' and his wife '''[[Victoria Toensing]]''' (of [[Uranium One]] fame), '''[[Sundance]], [[Sidney Powell]]''' (who defended [[Gen. Michael Flynn]]) and '''[[Sara Carter]]''' are active participants in the "rag tag bunch of conservative misfits" who exposed the [[Russiagate]] scandal. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Abnormal is fine. Stupid isn't.]]</sup>
  
2. Given RobS's recent behavior (annoying/pestering sock of TracyS and about a dozen other socks I have been told, etc. etc.) and his recent loss of Admin rights, I suggest that he not be on the panel.  
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'''Update:''' [[Joe diGenova]] placed in charge of the massive federal grand jury investigation into all of the [[crime]]s committed against [[President Trump]], from [[Russiagate]], his [[sham impeachment]]s, the [[rigged 2020 election]] and the illegal criminal charges and [[lawfare]] attacks waged against President Trump. [https://archive.is/x242O]
  
3. I suggest starting off with a clean slate and archiving this page's current content.  The panel's deliberations could then commence here. Perhaps, a more civil tone would ensue. I also suggest that sockpuppet comments be reverted as far as commentary on the panel's deliberations plus brand new editors who are merely trolling.  
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Statement by Sundance in relation to recent indictment of [[James Comey]]:
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{{quotebox-float|The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals agreed with the government position that any documents defined as “classified” by the executive branch (then [[Biden]]) that claimed, “[[national security]],” should not be disclosed to the defendant, [[Donald Trump]].  The court of appeals essentially determined that all definitions by the [[executive branch]], are not questionable by the [[judicial branch]].
  
4. I suggest that Andy weigh in on the final product.  
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This precedent now applies to [[James Comey]]’s memos. If the [[DOJ]]/[[FBI]]/[[IC]] define the Comey memos as classified documents because they specifically pertain to private discussions with President Donald Trump about ongoing [[security]] matters and [[Russia]], then the Comey memos are legally classified information – regardless of what James Comey says about them.
  
Please let me know if you think such a panel is necessary and if you think the above suggestions are good suggestions.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:13, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
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The DOJ can prosecute James Comey for [[leak]]ing classified documents by using the same legal approach the DOJ used against [[Donald Trump]].  Classified documents are whatever the federal government says they are.
:Seems like a good idea.--[[User:JamesWilson|JamesWilson]] 13:30, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::Likewise. [[User:Jcw|Jcw]] 13:38, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::::I am asking others to get involved in this section. For near term decision making, does archiving much of this page to start things off with a new slate sound goodPlease vote below. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:41, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
 
  
Well, I suggested it and got told it wouldn't work, but I still think it's a good idea, provided at least two things are included: 1) an appeal process that's open and transparent involving disinterested editors and sysops and 2) accountability on the part of the blocking editor. --[[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 16:21, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
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'''When I reminded the [[DC]] people about this specific precedent, you could have heard a pin drop.'''}}
:I am in, I hav e already laid out some guidelines elsewhere on Conservapedia. I am commited to to making CP fair and a happy place to edit. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 16:43, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
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''Source: The Conservative Treehouse: [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2026/04/30/report-another-doj-investigative-case-against-james-comey-happening-in-virgina-thats-three-states-now-and-this-one-has-big-irony/?lctg=66158495 Report: Another DOJ Investigative Case Against James Comey Happening in Virgina – That’s Three States Now, and This One Has Big Irony], April 30, 2026, Sundance.
:::The Conservapedian Iduan has expressed some interest in helping refine Conservapedia's blocking policy.  He is currently on a summer vacation. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:55, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
 
A blocking policy refinement panel is meeting  in Summer or early Fall. Here are the people who signed up so far:
 
  
*[[User:Conservative/Sysops who want to serve on a blocking policy refinement panel|Sysops and Sysop candidates with blocking rights]]
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Sundance is an "insider".
  
*[[User talk:Conservative/Sysops who want to serve on a blocking policy refinement panel|Sysop candidates with blocking rights]] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:14, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
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[[User:Conservative]] knows nothing about the issues he has [[spammed]], [[troll]]ed, and disrupted with [[negative SEO]]. He needs to be publicly disciplined for the harm he has done to [[Conservapedia]], its users and editors. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Abnormal is fine. Stupid isn't.]]</sup> 22:55, April 30, 2026 (EDT)
  
:::I sent an email to Iduan to find out when his vacation is over.  I expect to receive a reply within 2-7 days. In the meantime, people who are going to be on the blocking policy refinement panel  may want to look at these two pages: [[User:Iduan/Blocking Review Panel Ideas]] and [[User talk:Iduan/Blocking Review Panel Ideas]] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:17, 14 August 2011 (EDT)
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===Simplicius===
::::::The panel is convening on 8/17/11: [[Conservapedia:Blocking policy refinement panel proceedings]][[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:59, 15 August 2011 (EDT)
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[[User:Conservative]] wrote:
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*[The Conservative Treehouse] is not much better than "Simplicius the Thinker" who Andy yanked off of main page right (Anyone who calls himself a "thinker" probably isn't! His drones over Europe are false flags speculation had zero evidential support). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:21, November 7, 2025 (EST)
  
== Please vote - archiving much of this page's content to start off with clean and more civil slate as far as blocking policy refinement panel forming - see above ==
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:Because of Simplicius fair criticism of [[Trump]], [[MAGA]] [[cult]]ist [[User:Conservative]] convinced Andy to "yank off of main page right". After destroying [[Conservapedia]]'s reader base with his advocacy of [[Biden]]/[[Clinton]] [[foreign policy]], [[MAGA]] [[cult]]ist [[User:Conservative]] is hell bent on dragging down the [[Republican party]], the [[conservative movement]], and what remains of the original [[MAGA]] movement with his 37%.
  
Please vote - archiving much of this page's content to start off with clean and more civil slate as far as discussing blocking policy refinement panel forming (I think every active Sysop/Admin should be on the panel; included in the mix should be a few senior editors with blocking rights who would be considered for sysop rights). By the way, the panel deliberations could occur elsewhere. I thought the community portal though would be a good place and perhaps allow for this community portal to be used more constructively henceforth.  
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*[[News Forensics]]: [https://julianmacfarlane.substack.com/p/simplicus-made-simple Simplicius Made Simple].
  
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===The Big Question===
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How long will Mr. [[Andy Schlafly]] continue to allow himself to be led down the [[nihilistic]] path [[User:Conservative]] has led him which has destroyed [[collaboration]] and [[Conservapedia]]'s user & reader base? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Abnormal is fine. Stupid isn't.]]</sup> 19:03, April 18, 2026 (EDT)
  
'''Yes votes:'''
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It should be obvious to Andy Schlafly by now that [[User:Conservative]] has followed through with his threat to target articles created by [[User:RobSmith]] posted from MPR with negative SEO, as he promised. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Abnormal is fine. Stupid isn't.]]</sup> 23:36, April 30, 2026 (EDT)
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[[File:Coffin.jpg|thumbnail|center|400px|Future traffic to RobSmith's articles once things go into effect to a large degree, please see: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-9wXQpzESo&t=3s Traffic to RobSmith's articles].
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Traffic to wiki as a whole: Conservapedia is often down now too due to DDOS attacks. "358% surge in global DDoS volume in 2025... By 2029 onward, declines moderate to 20-25% annually as the site becomes a low-traffic niche relic, with DDoS contributing to minimal recovery potential. Total traffic could fall below 10,000 monthly by 2036, akin to archived wikis under sustained disruption. These projections assume no major mitigations like improved cybersecurity, which could slight::Expect the traffic to go lower. I know the various web marketing technical indicators indicating that a website is on a declining trajectory and Conservapedia has them. Of course, if I convinced Andy to make some SEO changes and other changes like I did in the past, things would look much better. But I am no longer interested in doing this - despite the fact that my SEO recommendations would increase Conservapedia's SEO traffic by 20,000 to 30,000 visits a month and that is a conservative estimate.
  
Yes. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:44, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
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::Abandon all hope! The SEO who helped a website in 2024 that now has 1,000,000 visits per month has spoken! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:43, September 22, 2025 (EDT)
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[[File:Atheist doctor.jpg|thumbnail|center|400px|RobSmith, the web pages that rank for similar terms to your Conservapedia articles with grow in relative strength while yours will grow weaker.
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You shouldn't have gone out of your way to try to annoy a SEO. Big mistake.
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If you still have any high hopes for your articles getting a lot of web traffic, I would stop having those high hopes.]]
  
Yes. In my opinion much of the discussion on this page consists of editors who've got hot under the collar and written intemperate things. A continuation of this sort of thing can only be bad for CP. A future discussion of related points must happen in a more organized and civil way. [[User:Jcw|Jcw]] 13:47, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
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<center>[[User:Conservative]]: Your [[Satanic]] symbols of [[death]] are convincing.</center><br>
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<center>{{Cquote|<big>As he thinketh in his heart, so is he.</big>|||Proverbs 23:7}}</center>
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::RobSmith quote: "You are and I'll put it in the Acknowledgements. If everything goes right, hopefully it'll stand next to the Dialogues of Plato, Socratic method, and Machiavelli Discourses in classrooms someday. [[User:RobSmith|nobs]] 00:20, 29 January 2017 (UTC)"
  
Yes.--[[User:JamesWilson|JamesWilson]] 13:58, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
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::If you still have hopes of being as well-known as Plato, Socrates and Machavelli, I would give up those high hopes.
  
Yes. --[[User:AlejandroH|AlejandroH]] 16:12, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
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::The web pages that compete SEO-wise with your articles with your articles will generally become stronger relative to your articles. Your choice. Now live with it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:01, September 22, 2025 (EDT)
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And wait until Russia has problems funding its war in Ukraine which seems a fairly likely event due to Russia's current economic problems. The traffic to RobSmith's Russia/Ukraine articles will go further down.]]
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::The web pages that compete SEO-wise with your articles with your articles will generally become stronger relative to your articles. Your choice. Now live with it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:01, September 22, 2025 (EDT)
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And wait until Russia has problems funding its war in Ukraine which seems a fairly likely event due to Russia's current economic problems. The traffic to RobSmith's Russia/Ukraine articles will go further down.]]
  
Yes. [[User:DouglasA|DouglasA]] 01:32, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
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What more evidence of [[malicious]] intent do you need? Everyone sees this, and this is why the editor recruitment drive fails. No one wants to be caught up in [[User:Conservative]]'s games. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Abnormal is fine. Stupid isn't.]]</sup> 23:58, April 30, 2026 (EDT)
  
(EC) ''For near term decision making, does archiving much of this page to start things off with a new slate sound good. ''  I assume that this was a question. Answer: No, it doesn't sound good. Please archive only those sections to which no user has contributed for more than one week. Thank you. [[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 13:45, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
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===The inconsistent logic of a [[cult]] believer===
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*[[User:Conservative/Pro-Russia pundit calls himself "Simplicius The Thinker". If you have to tell the world that you are a thinker, you are probably not one]].
  
No. Attempting to bury the past doesn't deal with the valid questions already present. [[User:RobertE|RobertE]] 14:31, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
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*[https://larrycjohnson.substack.com/p/if-you-have-to-tell-people-youre If You Have to Tell People You’re the G.O.A.T. (Greatest Of All Time), Then You Are Not]
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[[File:Screenshot 13-5-2026 1270.jpeg|center|650px|thumb|]]
  
No. There have been some valid concerns raised, and "archiving" the page would be the equivalent of pretending those concerns were settled without actually answering them. [[User:JDWpianist|JDWpianist]] 15:31, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
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:I voted for Donald Trump, despite his various faults, because he would be a better US president than Kamala Harris. I also did it with the knowledge that the USA has a system of checks and balances. I have never descended into the pathetic and wretched fan boyism that you have shown towards Vladimir Putin. Russia has begun to show its dissatisfaction with Putin and his foolish war. You have not done the same. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:46, May 13, 2026 (EDT)
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:: I have never descended into the pathetic and wretched fan boyism towards Vladimir Putin. The impatience with Putin is over his moderation. You are misreading (better yet, '''being fed''' bad information on) the situation. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Abnormal is fine. Stupid isn't.]]</sup> 09:59, May 13, 2026 (EDT)
  
No. But since when has anything here been decided by voting?  The vote was something like 30-5 against RobS losing his sysop rights (can't be certain, since that page has since been unceremoniously burned.)  Even if 75% of his supporters were parodists (unlikely) he still had majority support from the non-sysop editors. The decision here is going be made by the usual suspects, regardless of the outcome of this "vote". --[[User:MarkGall|MarkGall]] 15:37, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
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::[[Prof. John Mearsheimer]], whom [[User:Conservative]] repeatedly cites as an authority, had this to say today in discussion with [[Lt. Col. Daniel Davis]] about [[Western alliance|Western]] [[war propaganda]]: [https://youtu.be/QCUzMPfGuZY]
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{{quotebox-float|'''Prof. Mearsheimer''' Well, there's hardly ever any facts that back up these claims. Uh, these are just assertions. And as we know, there's a [[propaganda war]] that takes place in addition to the actual war on the battlefield. And what people like [[Ben Hodges|General Hodges]] want to do is they want to buck up the [[Ukrainian]]s. They want to tell them that they can win. And furthermore, they want [[the West]], both the [[United States]] and the [[European]]s, to continue supporting Ukraine. And the way you do that is you say Ukraine is prevailing on the battlefield. It is basically turn the tide and the [[Russian]]s are in deep trouble. Uh they're running out of manpower. They're suffering enormous casualties. Uh and the war is Ukraine's for the winning. That's that's the basic story that's told, ''[https://www.scribbr.com/definitions/ad-nauseam/ ad nauseum]'' in [[the West]] and that story has been an ongoing story for years. I mean, what General Hodges is now saying is a story we could have heard a year ago, two years ago, three years ago. [[The West]] constantly tells that story. I follow the war reasonably closely and I don't believe it. I think there's no question that the Russians took a pause. And I think there's no question that the Ukrainians recaptured a tiny bit of territory. But it's meaningless in the overall scheme of things. And the Russians are now back on the march. It's quite clear. And, although they're not gobbling up territory the way I think you and I thought they would, two or three years ago, in large part because of the presence of massive numbers of [[drone]]s, there's no question that they're moving forward. And I believe they will end up conquering the [[Donbass]] in the near future. I believe they're not that far away from it....}}
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:::It's amazing, for the editor who contributed much to the [[Psyop]] & [[Propaganda]] articles, that he is incapable of identifying it when it's before his face.
  
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:::Furthermore, [[Vladimir Putin]] has been criticized for his go-slow approach, and now according to [[Sergey Karaganov]], [https://youtu.be/QCUzMPfGuZY?t=2992 the hardline approach of "nuke 'em til they glow" is becoming mainstream.] [https://youtu.be/2Gd5jdl36cg Sergey Karaganov: How Russia Will Win the New World War], [[Glenn Diesen]].
  
Archive it or not, it really doesn't matter. The conversations took place and they can't be taken back. Given some of the behavior I witnessed after RobS lost his admin rights, I'm very cynical about any changes occurring here, but I'm willing to try. --[[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 16:30, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
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:::Why [[Andy Schlafly]] allows [[psyop]]s & [[propaganda]] to be tolerated as [[malicious]] [[personal attack]]s is the only question I have. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Abnormal is fine. Stupid isn't.]]</sup> 21:23, May 13, 2026 (EDT)
  
=== A question for the ''ayes'' ===
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===[https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&curid=177983&diff=2200766&oldid=2200711 User:Conservative openly and repeatedly calling for violence and killing people is "encyclopedic"]===
Would you have voted for '''deleting''' the archives, too? [[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 16:04, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
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Andy, If you have any problems with my editing contact me at my new email address. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Do heterosexual normies spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]]</sup> 14:09, July 29, 2026 (EDT)
:Yes. While there might have been some good points in those discussions, the vast majority was name-calling by troublemakers, trolls and sockpuppets. Keeping it around gives a false impression of the site, which is exactly what the troublemakers, trolls and sockpuppets want. If any of the discussion in those archives was worthwhile, I'm sure it'll be brought up again in a more orderly fashion. [[User:Jcw|Jcw]] 16:26, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
 
== Why were the archives deleted? ==
 
  
[[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 08:50, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
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===You decide===
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[[User:Conservative]] wrote:
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{{quotebox-float|[[The Conservative Treehouse]] website, which you cited above and often use on main page right, calls itself a "rag tag bunch of [[conservative]] misfits" and its primarily run by an anonymous guy called "[[Sundance]]". And its filled with conspiracy nut nonsense. In short, it's not much better than "Simplicius the Thinker" who Andy yanked off of main page right (Anyone who calls himself a "thinker" probably isn't! His drones over Europe are false flags speculation had zero evidential support).
  
:I second that question. "Starting off with a clean slate" should not mean burning all of the old discussions. [[User:JDWpianist|JDWpianist]] 09:00, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
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On main page right, why don't we have more [[Justthenews.com]] which is run by [[John Solomon]], an award-winning investigative journalist. Mr. Solomon is [[right-wing]] without the conspiracy nut flakiness. He's a real solid guy with great reporter skills. Conspiracies happen, but let's have empirical support for them rather than lunatic rantings lacking evidential support.
::A community is not a dishonest fool, his sockpuppet(s) and his atheist website vandal pals and their sockpuppets. No reason to provide an audience for such a spectacle. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 09:07, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:::Well, that is an answer, but not a very good one. Where was the vote on deleting the archives? Are you intending to single-handedly delete the current archive as well? [[User:JDWpianist|JDWpianist]] 09:15, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:::::I found out the non-syops blockers I needed to invite so I de-archived the material. I wanted the notice about the panel not to get buried too far down the page. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:46, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
 
  
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Sadly, main page right has turned into a trainwreck. Conservative (talk) 22:21, November 7, 2025 (EST)}}
By the way, I notice that Conservative has archived the recent discussions already. Since when does a 5-5 vote mean "yes, go ahead with it?" [[User:JDWpianist|JDWpianist]] 09:01, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
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Ok, Mr. Expert. We need your input:
::It was 5-4.  Sharon, was neither yes or no. It was "it does not matter". [[User:Conservative|Conservative]]
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{{Cquote|In a twisted [[Machiavellian]] way, perhaps the entire reason for [[John Solomon]] to write about it is to destroy the value in the cause for [[justice]].  I don’t know; you decide.|||[[Sundance]]}}
:::That was up to interpretation. Anyway, how long did you have the vote up before closing the matter? By my count it's less than 12 hours. [[User:JDWpianist|JDWpianist]] 09:16, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
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[[User:Conservative]] frequently uses the term "[[Machiavellian]]" to attack his "enemies" (he injected the term 43 times in one discussion thread in Andy talk to attack [[User:RobSmith]]). When exhaustively questioned, [[User:Conservative]] states he has no understanding what the term means.
  
*the vote was up for less than 20 hours: that's an absurdly short time-
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Who's right and who's wrong, or who is telling the [[truth]], conspiracy nutcase [[Sundance]] or the "[[Machiavellian]]" [[John Solomon]]?
*it's even more absurd to vote on the minor matter (archiving, but preserving information) and act unilaterally on the big issue (destroying of information)
 
*To quote Sharon: ''The conversations took place and they can't be taken back.'' You are certainly trying, Conservative!
 
[[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 09:17, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:Most of this page served as an attack page on several individuals, and that's going to stop.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 09:22, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::Karajou, there were also allegations that sysops have personally attacked editors. Those were "archived" without discussion of the issues. Do you have a comment on that? [[User:JDWpianist|JDWpianist]] 09:26, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:::Then they had better specify the reasons why these editors were attacked, and if these attacks were clearly for nothing, then I am open for sysop demotion; but if these alleged attacks were caused by the editors themselves through fighting, bad conduct, or the deliberate posting of false information, then they have no room to talk.  For the record, the reasons why I will remove someone from the site are posted under the warning tag on my talk page.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 09:39, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
 
  
*Ah, love, peace and happiness at last. And quietness. The last may become a problem, as Andy Schlafly seems to enjoy record-breaking numbers of unique visitors, and these will be hard to come by when the contribution goes back to the level of the last quarter of 2010.
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[[User:Conservative]] created this issue. Now man up. [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2026/05/26/john-solomons-trust-me-bro-reporting-is-dangerous/] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Abnormal is fine. Stupid isn't.]]</sup> 17:28, May 26, 2026 (EDT)
*And there are still attacks left on this page, like this comment about Rob Smith: ''(annoying/pestering sock of TracyS and about a dozen other socks I have been told, etc. etc.)''
 
[[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 09:56, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:::RonLar: A few comments: 1) Western liberalism is running out of other people's money (Asian money, etc.) 2) Conservatism and austerity budgets are on the rise in the Western World so conservative websites should experience some growth 3) Conservapedia does plan on reviewing and improving its block policy 4) At an opportune time, perhaps in a few years, I may unveil a plan which I think Conservapedia may be more receptive to which I believe could increase its viewership. By the way, how many websites have you considerably added traffic to?  My guess is none so your "expert" opinion has little weight.  :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:46, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
 
  
::::Did you post this in the wrong place? It doesn't have anything to do with the topic at hand. [[User:RobertE|RobertE]] 11:53, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
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C'mon, Mr. [[MAGA]], man up. You should be able to defend your [[slander]]s against your "enemies".
:# ''Western liberalism is running out of other people's money (Asian money, etc.)'' And that is relevant because....?
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{{Cquote|'''SUMMARY''': To be clear, I am saying [[John Solomon]]’s reporting process is dangerous, specifically dangerous. '''Dangerous to MAGA, and perhaps more consequentially, dangerous to [[President Trump]]''' and/or any righteous movement toward [[justice]].
:# ''Conservatism and austerity budgets are on the rise in the Western World so conservative websites should experience some growth'' And that is relevant because....?
 
:# ''Conservapedia does plan on reviewing and improving its block policy''  That may be a very promising development...
 
:# ''At an opportune time, perhaps in a few years, I may unveil a plan which I think Conservapedia may be more receptive too which I believe could increase its viewership.'' In the fast moving world of the internet, such intricate plans are of relatively little value.
 
:By the way: could you show me to a talk page where you successfully debated with someone about Atheism, Evolution, etc.? Thanks
 
:[[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 11:58, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:::RonLar, who said my plan was intricate? :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:26, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::::::I found out the non-syops blockers I needed to invite to the panel so I de-archived the material. I wanted the notice about the panel not to get buried too far down the page. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:48, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
 
  
== A blocking policy refinement panel is meeting  in Summer or early Fall ==
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Because, yet again, in this instance, if he is not [[lying]] (a significant assumption at this moment in history) then -once again- he is alluding to having [[FBI]]/[[DOJ]] [[email]]s that are being used in South FL USAO investigations, likely provided by [[Kash Patel]] or others, that would be [[grand jury]] material – if the GJ stories of an investigation into a ‘conspiracy against rights’ are to be believed.
  
A blocking policy refinement panel is meeting in Summer or early Fall. Here are the people who signed up so far:
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If that is accurate origination and that explains why he refused to provide the citation, the release of GJ material to Solomon is exceptionally damaging to any case(s) that might use it. [[Steve Bannon]] and [[Sean Hannity]] will promote [[John Solomon]], while [[James Comey]], [[Mary McCord (DOJ)|Mary McCord]] and [[Jack Smith]] laugh about it.
  
*[[User:Conservative/Sysops who want to serve on a blocking policy refinement panel|Sysops and Sysop candidates with blocking rights]]
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FUBAR.
  
*[[User talk:Conservative/Sysops who want to serve on a blocking policy refinement panel|Sysop candidates with blocking rights]]  
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There is a reason why [[Tulsi Gabbard]]’s approach was effective, and the [[deep state]] feared her.  She silently reviewed, then spoke with receipts.|||[[Sundance]]}}
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C'mon. Mr. Expert, support you [[slander]]s against me & Sundance with the [[truth]], or just STFU about things you are incapable of understanding. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Abnormal is fine. Stupid isn't.]]</sup> 18:07, May 26, 2026 (EDT)
  
I am sending an email to [[User:Iduan]] to determine when he is returning from his vacation. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:16, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
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===If this makes sense to anyone, please explain===
:Just returned; first: sleep; then: back to business.--<small>[[User:Iduan|<span style="color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000">I]][[User_talk:Iduan|<span style="color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033">Duan]]</span></span></small> 17:01, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
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[[User:Conservative]]/Mark Miller, 20 years after uploading an image of a [[gay bathhouse]] in violation of [[Conservapedia Commandments]] to keep it family friendly, claims [[Russia]]'s '''reduction''' of [[gay]] bars is cause to continue [[Ukraine aid]]:
::I have blocking rights. May I join?--[[User:JamesWilson|JamesWilson]] 17:10, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
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{{quotebox-float|On Sun, Jun 14, 2026 at 11:23 AM Mark Miller <redacted> wrote:
:::I added you to list. I don't think there will be any objections to me doing so. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:58, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
 
  
==Response to Karajou==
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I did some additional research on how many gay bars/clubs exist in Moscow, Russia:
I told Andy yesterday I would respond to these baseless charges today, but spent the better part of the last nine hours blocked after User:Conservative flip-flopped, reverted himself, and unblocked me (I'll accept your apology later, User:Conservative, for inconveniencing me). But to Mr. Karajou: you seem to be of the opinion that,
 
:'''A little leven leveneth the whole lump.'''
 
That would be true, if Conservapedia were a monolith, requiring ideological conformity. But it's not, and never has been. Let's not forget the Parable of the Wheat and the Tares,
 
:'''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_Tares#Narrative An enemy hath done this]. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest.'''  [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 23:29, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
 
Here is the evidence that I am aware of:
 
  
1. Both RobS and TracyS edited from the same IP address. After Karajou pointed this out, I personally confirmed this matter.  
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How many gay bars/clubs does Moscow have presently? There have been some fairly recent laws related to homosexuality plus there may have been drug raids on bars in Moscow to discourage gay bars/clubs. In addition, I heard that some places might be a restaurant by day and a gay bar/club at night.
  
2. Both were somewhat obsessed with my talk page design in an annoying way despite the fact that Conservapedia says a user's talk page is his/her castle. At the time, I had a system for leaving messages to me. I have since closes my talk page for leaving messages due to RobS and his atheist pals use of pestering tactics. 
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1:18 PM
  
3. Both were dishonest. For example, RobS claiming he referred to me as demonic at Conservapedia which he never did as he knows the charge was baseless plus he didn't have the guts to do this at Conservapedia, but instead chose to do this at an atheist gutter website that is filled with obscenity and gossip.  TracyS claimed he/she was not trying to annoy me about my talk despite using language purposely meant to annoy.
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Searched the web
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Searched the web
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No precise official count exists, but a rough picture as of 2026:
  
4. Both were annoying and needlessly argumentative.
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A formerly thriving scene (Central Station, Propaganda, BoyZ Club, etc.) has largely collapsed since the 2023 Russian Supreme Court ruling designating the "international LGBT movement" as "extremist," which gave authorities legal cover for raids and closures. Central Station, the most iconic club, was forced to close in March 2024, and Propaganda and BoyZ Club were also hit and shut down.  
  
5. Karajou claims there were multiple sockpuppets of RobS, but I have not personally investigated this matter.
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Nomadic Boys
  
RobS is still an egotist and has learned nothing. It would be a big mistake at this time to give him back his Sysop/Admin rights. He would just foment a lot of useless drama and nonsense. Conservapedia doesn't need RobS the egotist to change its blocking policy and a panel of which he is not a part to refine its blocking policy is far better suited to the task. I invited people to take part in such a panel and some have accepted my invitation to take part in the panel.  
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What's believed to still be operating, per gay travel guides: MONO, Three Monkeys, and the Hunters Party cruising club are reported as still going strong, while Nashe Cafe and NICE are likely still running in a subtle way as mixed establishments rather than openly gay venues.  
  
I did block RobS earlier for a short spell due to him being disruptive to me posting a notice in this room that would be more constructive than much of the current content which I archived. However, with another Sysops's assistance I was able to send out invitations to the appropriate parties so the notice at the community portal was no longer needed so I unblocked RobS and de-archived the material.  Given his past behavior, I see no reason to apologize for any inconvenience this caused RobS.
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Nomadic Boys
  
I will now let RobS give his empty sales pitch on how his desysoping was all a misunderstanding and a mistake on Aschlafly's part. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:28, 14 August 2011 (EDT)
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This confirms your "restaurant by day, gay bar by night" suspicion — one venue is described as a day-time dining venue that turns into an intimate gay bar in the evening and a dance club with drag shows on weekends.  
:User:Conservative, I told Andy yesterday I would respond here, but was prevented by you and the whole day was wasted. Also, I see the whole page & its Archives have been vandalized, as well as other users private user space, so I hesitate in wasting anymore time here. I will however, respond with this:
 
:'''"pesterfesting"''': this is the term User:Conservative uses for what is commonly refereed to in the outside world as '''"[[Advocacy]]"'''. An advocate is a person who acts on behalf of others who are incapable, or have been prevented from acting on their own behalf. Two examples of advocates would be, (1) [[Andrew Schlafly]], noted attorney, and (2) [[Jesus Christ]], [[savior]] of the [[planet]]. Advocacy is very common in the world of wikis, but I can see where you would have difficultly with the idea.  [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 18:57, 14 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:::RobS, in retrospect, I believe your "pesterfesting" was just a petty and narcissistic post TK power grab which tried to show others that you were the "big man on campus". Second, I am sorry to hear that you couldn't find other things to do besides edit Conservapedia and that your whole day was wasted. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:07, 16 August 2011 (EDT)
 
  
== The Conservapedia  Blocking policy refinement panel proceedings have begun ==
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Travel Gay
  
The Conservapedia  Blocking policy refinement panel proceedings have begun and can be found [[Conservapedia:Blocking policy refinement panel proceedings|HERE]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:16, 17 August 2011 (EDT)
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Bottom line: there's no reliable current "number" — maybe a handful (roughly 3-5) of openly or semi-openly operating venues, down sharply from the dozen-plus that existed pre-2023, with most surviving spots deliberately keeping a low profile or dual-purpose cover to avoid drawing police attention.}}
  
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===[https://youtu.be/0Fk0KCF5lsY Eurovision 2026 - Germany Performance]===
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[[User:Conservative]]'s [[Nazi]] [[worship]] is catching on. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Do heterosexual normies spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]]</sup> 01:13, July 26, 2026 (EDT)
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{{Cquote|''Just like [[Napoleon]], I met the [[Russian]] [[winter]].
  
== Android App? ==
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''And now my [[empire]] is starting to splinter like his once did.
  
Does anyone have the link to the android app? I am unable to find it for some strange reason. [[User:JacobSmith|JacobSmith]] 22:05, 20 August 2011 (EDT)
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''Does [[history]] have amnesia? Cuz it's repeating itself again.  
:I am an Android user. Nothing exists and was likely a person having fun with lies.--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 22:14, 20 August 2011 (EDT)
 
  
== My Testimony ==
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''[[Stalingrad]]!''
  
I was a liberal atheist.  About two weeks ago, I was talking to a Conservative friend of mine and she pointed me to the site conservapedia.com.  So I came here and read a few articles.  Then read a few more.  Then when I noticed registration was open, I signed up, but didn't contribute right away, but I kept reading.  I read [[Christian apologetics]], [[Counterexamples to Evolution]], [[Counterexamples to an Old Earth]], [[Counterexamples to Relativity]], [[Resources for leaving atheism and becoming a Christian]] and some wonderful essays too numerous to list.  While reading, I felt...something.  Something I haven't felt since I was a child.  Yesterday, Sunday Morning, I did something I haven't done in nearly 30 years:  I went to church.  It was wonderful and I do believe I felt the Holy Spirit. I don't believe I deserve to call myself a Christian yet, but I'm looking forward to next Sunday. :-) Thank you all.  --[[User:OliviaB|OliviaB]] 13:51, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
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''Yeah, the battle is over, turning the war.
  
== Summer Paper Gone Bad ==
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''I thought we just have to kick in the door.
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''Can we bring back the [[Molotov-Ribbentrop pact]]?''<ref><small>The allusion is to what some writers have claimed is that if [[Hitler]] had simply stopped after the [[Fall of France]] and had not broken the [[Molotov-Ribbentrop pact]] with [[Operation Barbarossa]] and the invasion of the [[Soviet Union]], Hitler could have retired as "the greatest [[German]] of all time". </small></ref>
  
Summer is drawing to a close and school is beginning again. I have decided to write my essay on the origin of the moon, citing Conservapedia several times. When my teacher (this is a public school) gave me my paper back with the grade an all, he gave me a 62. In addition, he gave me a "good talking to" on not using Wikipedia. I tried to explain him that Conservapedia is different, he just wouldn't listen! He gave me the opportunity to do the paper again using different sources. I don't want to use different sources, because they are most often plagued with bias. My question is simple- how do we separate ourselves from Wikipedia to the general public, and how to we improve our reputation? --[[User:WilliamMoran|WilliamMoran]] 17:13, 25 August 2011 (EDT)
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''[[Stalingrad]]!''
:Wikis are not normally considered good sources for research as they are generally open and can be edited by anyone. And any decent teacher (public school or not) probably won't accept an encyclopedia of any kind (hard copy or online) as a source for a research paper, as they normally want the student to actually do some research. --[[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 19:06, 25 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::William, the good news is you were docked points for your sources and not for content.  That implies that your teacher has an open mind.  I'd suggest Answers in Genesis, A Storehouse of Knowledge, Creation Ministries International or look at some of Ray Comfort's books.  Of course, these sources are all the work of man and are therefore always biased and flawed.  For the truth, you'll want to turn to the Bible.  --[[User:OliviaB|OliviaB]] 19:57, 25 August 2011 (EDT)
 
  
== An open apology to Conservative and Aschlafly ==
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''Maybe half of [[Poland]] wasn't that bad.
  
I was [[User:WalterS]] and made an inappropriate comment several months ago.  Then two days ago I signed up again under the name JefferyA and tried to make some contributions to the Conservative dictionary.  I was banned by [[User:Karajou]] for my actions as WalterS and told that I could come back if I apologized.  I am therefore offering my apologies to [[User:Aschlafly]] and [[User:Conservative]].  I am sorry.  It was wrong to vandalize your site.  I know I don't deserve to stay, but if you can find it within you to allow me to, I would very much appreciate it.  God be with you. --[[User:JefferyA|JefferyA]] 09:23, 6 September 2011 (EDT)
 
::Your sentiments are appreciated. With the being said, to the best of my knowledge Mr. Schlafly is the sole owner of the website.  My articles tend to receive web traffic, but for the most part I create articles and I have blocked some vandals as well. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:09, 23 September 2011 (EDT)
 
  
== Banned user ==
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''I thought them weak, but I can see the [[Russia]]ns are strong now.
  
Conservative recently banned SamCoulter for "putting garbage into article". However, the 'garbage' was a legitimate point backed up by a valid reference. Indeed, the same reference has been cited by Conservative on the main page. [[User:DavidZa|DavidZa]] 23:07, 23 September 2011 (EDT)
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''The [[Untermensch]] have got the upper hand now.}}
:This is a non-starter. Conservative is a senior admin with tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of quality edits. This is a meritocracy, David. [[User:BrentH|BrentH]] 23:36, 23 September 2011 (EDT)
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*[[User:Conservative]] [[Essay: The USA is more innovative and productive than China and Russia]].
::Almost 5% of his "tens of thousands" of quality edits are minor edits. He also created 4 different articles all with the same information as a main article. From what it seemed, SamCoulter was just trying to bring more facts to the table. Three months seems too excessive for something that wasn't even explained as to "why it doesn't belong". [[User:JonG|~ ]][[User_talk:JonG|JonG]][[Special:Contributions/JonG| ~]] 23:52, 23 September 2011 (EDT)
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:This is straight out of ''[[Mein Kampf]]'': The [[Untermensch]] are incapable of building a [[civilization]].
:::I don't agree with Conservative's articles on this topic. That said, I did not get the impression that SamCoulter meant what he posted as a serious contribution, but rather simply as an attempt to "prove a point". He basically [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:SamCoulter&curid=114914&diff=920263&oldid=920262 admitted the same himself, and called himself "juvenile"]. One should consider those facts before drawing any conclusions. [[User:Maratrean|Maratrean]] 00:14, 24 September 2011 (EDT)
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[[File:Nazi propaganda from US Embassy Kyiv.jpg|center|600px|thumb|[[Nazi]] [[propaganda]] from the [[US]] Embassy [[Kyiv]]. This is straight out of ''[[Mein Kampf]]'' about [[Aryan]] man being the "founders of [[culture]]". [https://archive.is/u77eo]  ]]
::::Nice job taking things out of context. [[User:JonG|~ ]][[User_talk:JonG|JonG]][[Special:Contributions/JonG| ~]] 00:32, 24 September 2011 (EDT)
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:The sentiment was echoed by the "White Fuhrer" and [[American]] [[ally]] [[Andriy Biletsky]],<ref>[https://judgenap.com/ukraine-promotes-neo-nazi-to-brigadier-general/ Ukraine Promotes Neo-Nazi to Brigadier General], [[Kyle Anzalone]], [[Judging Freedom]], October 2, 2025. judgenap.com</ref> who was recently interviewed by [[Ukrainian]] [[dictator]] [[Volodymyr Zelensky]] [https://t.me/V_Zelenskiy_official/20065] to replace [[Gen. Oleksandr Syrsky]] as [[AFU]] [[Commander-in-Chief]]:
:::::I do not see how I am doing so. [[User:Maratrean|Maratrean]] 00:55, 24 September 2011 (EDT)
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{{Cquote|the [[historic]] mission of our [[nation]] in this critical moment is to lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade for their survival. A crusade against [[Semite]]-led [[Untermensch]]en (Subhumans). [https://responsiblestatecraft.org/azov-ban-lifted/] }}
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[[File:Screenshot 28-7-2026 14293.jpeg|center|850px|thumb|July 20, 2026 meeting with [[Andrii Biletsky]], ‘White Fuhrer’ and head of the [[Azov Battalion|Third Azov Army Corps]]. [[Mikhailo Drapaty]] and Biletsky were most favored to replace [[Syrsky]] as [[C-i-C]], with the [[MSM|Western press]] more positive towards Drapaty since he didn’t carry the baggage of commanding the world’s largest contingent of heavily armed [[neo-nazis]].]]
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:Here is just one, among several extended excerpts in that chapter from ''[[Mein Kampf]]'' of the [[spirit]] and flavor [[User:Conservative]] lifted from [[Adolf Hitler]]:
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{{Cquote|If we were to divide [[mankind]] into three groups, the founders of [[culture]], the bearers of culture, the destroyers of culture, only the [[Aryan]] could be considered as the representative of the first group. From him originate the foundations and walls of all [[human]] [[creation]], and only the outward form and color are determined by the changing traits of character of the various peoples. He provides the mightiest building stones and plans for all [[human]] [[progress]] and only the execution corresponds to the nature of the varying [[men]] and [[race]]s. In a few decades, for example, the entire [[east]] of [[Asia]] will possess a [[culture]] whose ultimate foundation will be [[Hellenic]] spirit and [[German]]ic [[technology]], just as much as in [[Europe]]. Only the outward form-in part at least-will bear the features of [[Asiatic]] [read "[[Eurasia]]n hordes"] character. It is not true, as some people think, that [[Japan]] adds [[Europe]]an [[technology]] to its [[culture]]; no, [[Europe]]an [[science]] and [[technology]] are trimmed with Japanese characteristics. The foundation of actual life is no longer the special Japanese culture, although it determines the color of life-because outwardly, in consequence of its inner difference, it is more conspicuous to the European-but the gigantic [[scientific]]-[[technical]] [[achievement]]s of [[Europe]] and [[America]]; that is, of [[Aryan]] peoples. Only on the basis of these [[achievement]]s can the [[Orient]] follow general [[human]] [[progress]]. They furnish the basis of the struggle for daily bread, create [[weapon]]s and implements for it, and only the outward form is gradually adapted to Japanese character.|||A. Hitler}}
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Theory of Relativity

Is it possible that black holes were featured in the Theory of Relativity to try to transform the untoward results of it from a "mathematical embarrassment" to a "wonder of nature"? VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 22:46, February 16, 2025 (EST)

Interesting hypothesis!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 16:56, October 23, 2025 (EDT)

Your best protection

Once I quoted Chaucer to a narcissist, "Your best protection is the love of others." This made him change the subject after becoming uneasy, because he knew he had been untruthful with those who loved him and for that reason felt a chronic insecurity about whether they would support him, and so he also cut them off to certain degrees if he discovered they couldn't be useful in other ways to spite that same love which was unreliable in his perspective.

That's what comes to mind when I see my contributions on this page torched after having my access throttled for two-and-a-half-months.

This also reflects a cleanliness fetish, "In for a penny, in for a pound". If the designated scapegoat invests in a single share of a project, to be sure that doesn't anger God, the whole project has to be scrapped. What is the fallacy in this line of thinking? A Christian ought to know. A hint is that this is part of the old "fairness" not the new fairness.

And we ought to know the noblest fetish is still a fetish.

Another thing I wonder about: Is the poisonous deadly, or is only poison deadly? The reason I ask, is that Thomas Aquinas had something to say about the "deadly". VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 22:59, April 30, 2025 (EDT)

For the record

Almost six weeks into the war between Russia and Ukraine, I’m beginning to wonder if this conflict isn’t our first true world war — much more than World War I or World War II ever was.

—Thomas Friedman, NYT, April 3, 2022.[1]


There is a chain of conflicts affecting the whole world...In fact, World War III is already underway...We instinctively expect that the war will begin just like the Great War or the Second World War...The international order is breaking down...It was an unpleasant one, based on the fear of mutual destruction, but manageable...Wars in the Middle East have erupted before, but the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) and the United States of America (USA) intervened and extinguished them until the next conflict...And now I don’t see even a temporary settlement mechanism.

—Fyodor Lukyanov, Presidium-Chairman of the Council for Foreign and Defense Policy (SVOP), October 31, 2023.[2]

I think it’s a World War. It looks to me like the Thirty Years' War in the 17th century. For me, the modern age started at this time. So for me it’s now, philosophically speaking, the end of the modern era. The modern era started with the Thirty Years’ War, and it will take another Thirty Years’ War to end it.

Alexei Arestovich, January 14, 2024.[3]

Unfortunately, we are heading for a real world war, a full-blown war. The foundation of the old world system is bulging at the seams, and conflicts will break out. It is necessary to block the way leading to such a war … conflicts are already brewing and taking place in all areas.

—Sergei Karaganov, Honorary Chair of Russia’s Council for Foreign and Defense Policy, June 21, 2024.[4]

The United States confronts the most serious and the most challenging threats since the end of World War II. The United States could in short order be drawn into a war across multiple theaters with peer and near-peer adversaries, and it could lose.

—Commission on the National Defense Strategy Final Report, July 29, 2024.[5]

Look at what's happening in geopolitics. We're on the verge of World War III right now. We got a dementia patient sitting in the president's chair. You cannot trust the mainstream media or the political class or the big corporations out there because they've all got an agenda. Or more precisely, they're part of an aristocracy that is trying to bleed the peasants dry. And we're the peasants. You know, the US took centuries to accumulate $11 trillion of debt. Since 2020, we've taken on another $11 trillion. That is a death spiral. The financial system is ready to spin out of control. The experiment that began in 1971 when we went off the gold standard and gave everybody fiat currencies is ending. This is financial and economic history they're going to be writing textbooks about this for the next two centuries.

John Robino, August 24, 2024.[6]

Something fundamental has changed in the course of the last two and a half years. History will go back and mark this as a significant moment of transformation in the world order that would be comparable to the post-World War II period with the creation of the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, the United Nations, these other Western controlled institutions that have been the foundation for the existing international rules-based order.

Larry Johnson, August 30, 2024.[7]

Remember 1940. In three weeks, Americans will not have a comparably reassuring choice when they select the president who will determine the nation’s conduct during World War III, which has begun.

George Will, October 16, 2024.[8]

World War III has never been closer.'

Donald Trump, October 24, 2024.[9]

World War III has already begun.

Jamie Dimon, October 24, 2024.[10]

I believe that in 2024 we can absolutely definitely consider that the third world war has begun.

Valerii Zaluzhny, November 21, 2024.[11]

Note: Zaluzhny is the prime candidate of the globalist deep state to become the next puppet president of Ukraine once Zelensky is dumped. What? Are they crazy? The man things World War III has already begun. [Ed.]
US policymakers fail to learn the lessons of history and understand that great power alliances transformed two regional conflicts in Eastern Europe into unnecessary world wars that cost the lives of well over 100 million people and now US membership in NATO threatens to transform the war in Ukraine into a Third World War that could cost the lives of ten times more.

David T. Pyne, November 21, 2024.[12]

The sudden collapse of Bashar al-Assad's despotic regime in Syria this weekend highlights the interconnectedness of a growing number of global conflicts, revealing a hard truth that most of us would rather not think about too deeply: World War III has already begun.

—Bryce Hoffman, December 8, 2024.[13]

World War 3 is already well underway, even though most don’t recognize it. Russia, China, and their allies want to transform the current US-led world order that has been in place since the end of World War 2 from unipolar to multipolar—giving themselves a bigger seat at the table in the process. The US and its allies want the unipolar status quo to prevail. World War 3 is unlikely to evolve into a direct kinetic war between the US, Russia, and China because that could invite nuclear Armageddon, where everyone loses. Instead, World War 3 is playing out on different levels—proxy wars, economic wars, financial wars, cyber wars, biological wars, deniable sabotage, and information wars. This is World War 3. It's happening right now and rapidly escalating.

—Nick Giambruno, January 21, 2025.[14]

World War III is already underway...We need to declare mobilisation...We need to prepare at least half a million people in advance...But realistically one million people.

Major General Apti Alaudinov, June 13, 2025.[15]

We're in the early stages of the kinetic part of the Third World War right now...This is much more dangerous than the late 1930s. Much more dangerous.

Steve Bannon, June 18, 2025.[16]

  1. Thomas Friedman: What is happening in Ukraine is the real World War I, Teller Report, 4/4/2022. tellerreport.com
  2. Leading Russian foreign policy expert expresses 3rd World War is underway, 11/1/2023. menafn.com
  3. Oleksiy Arestovych: Zelenskyy’s challenger, Unherd, January 15, 2024. unherd.com
  4. Sergei Karaganov: Nuclear escalation may open Pandora’s box, but it will also free the world from the 500-year-long Western yoke, Ukraina.ru, June 21, 2024. karaganov.ru.
    Karaganov goes on: "But when the Americans felt that they were losing their global leadership, they decided to dump all restrictions in the hope of restoring military superiority, the foundation upon which the West's dominance in other areas had rested for five centuries, and most importantly the possibility to syphon off world wealth. But it didn’t work out, and it won’t. Russia’s hypersonic, Poseidon and other systems have ruined these hopes. They abandoned the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles [the treaty between the USSR and the USA, signed by Mikhail Gorbachev and Ronald Reagan on 8 December, 1987 during a Soviet-American summit in Washington ]. They unilaterally renounced the Russia-NATO Founding Act, the ABM Treaty, and so on. Instead they have got a war that they will lose either in disgrace or otherwise. It’s regrettable that we will have to sacrifice our men for that… However we will ensure our security and sovereignty, and we will also free the world from the 500-year-long Western yoke. I hope we will stop at nothing to make sure that the threat of war never comes from Europe again. Europe is the spawn of evil for the whole world. This is where both world wars started, during the life of one generation, the sin, which has long been forgotten by the Europeans, who are also apparently losing their mind on top of it all. Europe’s current ruling circles bring the feeling of disgust and disdain. Let’s hope new ones will come to take their place."
  5. Commission on the National Defense Strategy Final Report, Rand Corp., July 29, 2024. www.rand.org
  6. John Rubino. rubino.substack.com
  7. From Soviet Dissident to Target of US Deep State | Dimitri K. Simes Interview, Counter Currents, Aug 30, 2024. YouTube
  8. Opinion World War III is already under way. Not that Harris or Trump has noticed. By George F. Will, The Washington Post, October 16, 2024. www.washingtonpost.com
  9. Donald Trump, October 24, 2024.
  10. World War III Has Already Begun, JP Morgan Boss Says, By Suzanne Blake, Newsweek. Published Oct 29, 2024 Updated Oct 30, 2024. newsweek.com
  11. 'World War 3 has already begun' according to chilling warning from Ukrainian ambassador, By Will Stewart Russia Correspondent Liam Buckler Senior US News Reporter, The Mirror, 21 Nov 2024. www.mirror.co.uk
  12. Biden Attempting to Start World War Three with Russia Before Trump Takes Office, David T. Pyne, Nov 21, 2024. dpyne.substack.com
  13. World War III Has Already Begun – And Businesses Need To Take Note, Bryce Hoffman, Forbes magazine, December 8, 2024. forbes.com
  14. 2025: The Year the Global Order Unravels, by Nick Giambruno. zerohedge.com
  15. Putin's general declares 'WW3 has started' and demands ONE MILLION fresh troops, Will Stewart and Zahra Khaliq Mirror, 13 Jun 2025.
  16. Monitor Breakfast with Steve Bannon, The Christian Science Monitor, Jun 18, 2025. YouTube.

Socialist Prime Minister of Slovakia and former Communist Party of Czechoslovakia & Party of the Democratic Left Robert Fico declares sovereignty from European values by signing Constitutional Amendment declaring there are only 2 genders [4]

What is the EU & NATO gonna do with this Putin puppet? Invade Slovakia? Impose sanctions? Try to assassinate him, again? Follow the US/Biden regime idea of "democracy" with rigged elections like in Moldova, Romania, France, Germany and the UK?

If you don't have anything good to say, just shut up. RobSZelensky Must Go! 17:54, September 30, 2025 (EDT)

Oh, I get it, finally. Election fraud and political assassinations are preferable to authoritarianism, in User:Conservative's mind. RobSZelensky Must Go! 17:54, September 30, 2025 (EDT)

Of course, User:Conservative wants to censor and hide this from AI. [5] RobSZelensky Must Go! 21:47, September 30, 2025 (EDT)

off-topic gay bathhouse rant

A gay bathhouse. Image uploaded by User:Conservative, June 8, 2008. [1]
Are Moscow and St. Petersburg, Russia European cities?: Summary: "Yes, Moscow and St. Petersburg are considered European cities."
Do Moscow and St. Petersburg, Russia have gay clubs/bars/saunas?: Summary: Yes. Moscow and St. Petersburg, Russia have gay clubs/bars/saunas
Is Slovakia a member of NATO: Summary: "Yes, Slovakia is a member of NATO. It joined the alliance on March 29, 2004."
I trust this clarifies matters. Conservative (talk) 06:17, October 1, 2025 (EDT)
Ahh, St. Petersburg & Moscow are not in Slovakia.
But you obviously can't get gay bathhouses off your mind.
I trust this clarifies matters.
RobSZelensky Must Go! 12:27, October 1, 2025 (EDT)
Moscow and St. Petersburg are European cities and cultures generally change slow. Putin can't snap his fingers and get rid of the European influence on Moscow and St. Petersburg. Also, once gayness enters into a society to an unacceptable degree it takes strong measures such as completely shutting down the gay bars in a society and a society having high church attendance (Russia has low church attendance [6]).
According to Putin, Russia has a demographic crisis that poses an existential threat to Russia.[7] Tough challenges call for tough measures such as shutting down the gay bars/saunas in Moscow, St. Petersburg and other Russian cities. Conservative (talk) 12:58, October 1, 2025 (EDT)
According to Grok, User:Conservative's criticism of Vladimir Putin is because of Putin's suppression of LGBTQ+ rights:

[Grok: Does User:Conservative of Conservapedia apparently have an affinity for gay bath houses?]

Yes, User:Conservative, a long-time administrator and prolific editor on Conservapedia since 2007, has demonstrated an apparent affinity for the topic of gay bathhouses through repeated contributions...These fit into a broader pattern where roughly 10–15% of their recent edits (out of hundreds) focus on Russia-related topics, blending geopolitical critique with niche details on LGBTQ+ suppression under Vladimir Putin."

Russian Chechen commander addresses Ukrainian POWs, 2022.

off-topic homosexual obsession

Excellent News from James Hartline: San Diego Bathhouse to Close Down!, Jan 4, 2007
There was a four-year effort by conservatives that resulted in the shutdown of the San Diego gay bathhouse.[8]
Do Moscow and St. Petersburg, Russia have gay clubs/bars/saunas?: Summary: Yes. Moscow and St. Petersburg, Russia have gay clubs/bars/saunas
What's Vladimir Putin waiting for? Vladimir Putin has held power in Russia for over 25 years, serving as either president or prime minister since August 1999.
Vladimir Putin, tear down the Moscow and St. Petersburg gay clubs/bars/saunas! (That is very Reaganesque 🙂). Conservative (talk) 20:57, October 1, 2025 (EDT)

Open letter to Andy Schlafly

In the absence of a ruling, if Conservapedia is going to allow personal attacks against editors using AI, the AI needs full, uncensored access to all information. User:Conservative is in the habit of censoring legitimate, well-thought-out and documented rebuttals to his claptrap on his talk page. RobSZelensky Must Go! 14:22, October 7, 2025 (EDT)

Donald Trump comments on User:Conservative's trolling

Message from Trump

Open message to User:Conservative (since he refuses normal communication via user talk)

Some observations [9]

There are two types of homosexuals. There are those with a homosexual obsession, and those who can keep a job & rise in a bureaucracy. The first group, who were more obsessed with sex than the national emergency, the Nazis persecuted. The second group, like Scott Bessent, Pete Buttigieg, Peter Thiel or Ric Grenell, constituted many high level Nazis throughout the Third Reich. In fact, the normalization and acceptance of homosexuality remains not just a stereotype, but the reason why Nazis were loathed and considered evil throughout the world (see Eph. 5:12) - except in the United States in recent decades as the gay rights movement won in the courts, in the legislatures, in media and in society.

You and I have discussed this before. I warned you at the start of the NATO war in Ukraine, that to oppose Putin or Russia exposed you being considered a nazisymp - especially if the war was dragged out. And especially if you were to imply that Putin was some sort of authoritarian dictator or communist, you would undoubtedly expose yourself to being considered a Nazisymp. For more than 3 years now you have ignored my advice, but in recent weeks you have gone from being a critic of Putin and Russia to openly express sympathies for the Ukrainian Nazi movement. If you continue on the path you were warned to avoid, it is no surprise how your views will be characterized.

Call it a learning curve for all of us. RobSZelensky Must Go! 20:44, October 25, 2025 (EDT)

Russia has a neo-nazi problem.[10][11][12][13]
The prevalence of homosexuality in Russia/Ukraine are both low compared to the rest of the world as Russia is the 5th straightest country and Ukraine is the 7th straightest country.[14]
Cows chew their cud. But I am not a cow. I have covered this before with you and I don't want to endlessly ruminate over this issue with you as I am not into "cud chewing". Conservative (talk) 19:38, October 27, 2025 (EDT)
Do you have a point? Are the Nazis in Russia or America or England in charge of the government? Do they even have parties in parliament, as they do in Ukraine? Are the Nazis in Ukraine suppressing the church?
I've covered this before, but you prefer to be stupid about it. RobSZelensky Must Go! 19:46, October 27, 2025 (EDT)
In Russian, the politically incorrect term for "Nazi" is "f*ggot". They should know, 27 million of their own families were killed by the f*ggots. It's not forgotten easily. Unlike America and the West, the media and military do not censor or suppress the term. RobSZelensky Must Go! 20:21, October 27, 2025 (EDT)
Update: "4 faggots!" - All my sons of draft age aren't in Ukraine because it's dangerous. Two of them live in America, says Gordon. Kyiv-based Russophobic propagandist Dmitry Gordon responded to a question about whether his children would like to join the Ukrainian Armed Forces and revealed that all three of his sons live outside of Ukraine: ➖"4 faggots and an old a$$hole!" - Ukrainians scold the propagandists in the comments.
Wait til the readers on Telegram hear - User:Conservative wants to fund the faggots. RobSZelensky Must Go! 20:29, October 27, 2025 (EDT)
Andy Schlafly has fallen for the argument that User:Conservative drives his opponents and enemies traffic into Conservapedia. Telegram has waay more users than the paltry 2.7k User:Conservative has reduced CP to. If you want more readers critical of User:Conservative's claptrap, it could be arranged. RobSZelensky Must Go! 20:39, October 27, 2025 (EDT)
Update: Yankee merc down! Bowen Keith Schardt callsign Rabat from Michigan, USA...He survived the Serebryansky forest fighting with the Thorne group's faggots and then the failed adventure of the Kursk invasion in 2024. It was in Kursk that he got involved in crimes against civilians. Russian justice may take time, but it will come. Bowen was sentenced to death, and the sentence was duly carried out. - October 26, 2025
Update: News from a free European country: people will be jailed for obstructing an abduction. The faggots from the Odessa TCC are threatening to report them for preventing the kidnapping of a man from the street. - October 5, 2025
Update: "The faggots, the hohols, are trying to take revenge for the attacks on energy and railway infrastructure by a drone attack on residential buildings in Belgorod." - October 4, 2025.

Second Rebuttal

Do Russia and Ukraine both have a neo-nazi problem? What is the extent of a neo-nazi problem for each country?

Summary:

"Both Russia and Ukraine have neo-Nazi and far-right extremist elements, but the scale, integration, and state tolerance differ sharply.

Ukraine: Neo-Nazism is marginal (~1% of population), historically tied to the Azov Brigade (now vetted and integrated into the National Guard). Far-right parties hold no parliamentary seats and received <3% of the vote in 2019. Hate crimes are low (~50–100 annually) and declining. Russian propaganda grossly exaggerates this issue to justify invasion.

Russia: Neo-Nazism is widespread and state-tolerated, with 10,000–50,000 active members. Groups like Wagner’s Rusich unit and the Russian Imperial Movement are explicitly neo-Nazi, use SS symbols, and are deployed in combat with Kremlin backing. Hate crimes surged to 1,500+ incidents in 2024 (20% increase). Far-right ideology permeates online spaces, youth subcultures, and state-linked operations.

Bottom line: Russia’s neo-Nazi problem is larger, more violent, and institutionally embedded than Ukraine’s, which remains contained, politically irrelevant, and shrinking." Conservative (talk) 20:56, October 27, 2025 (EDT)

The Russian government is not nazi. The Ukrainian government is Nazi. You were warned.
The Nazis are more powerful today than when the war started - the Zelensky regime has gone into Russian villages in NATO occupied Ukraine specifically to kidnap Russian, Hungarian, and others off the street to send them to the front to exterminate them. And it is the Nazis behind the front lines who insure the extermination work is done.
You have been twice warned over 3 years now. I suggest you stop and go back to your atheism or gay articles, now. RobSZelensky Must Go! 21:05, October 27, 2025 (EDT)

See also: Talk:Conservapedia#Hate crime.

"Viral video" in the main Conservapedia article cited and linked by User:Conservative, removed for violating YouTube's Terms of Service against violence and graphic content.

User:Conservative seems to have a problem following community standards and civility in whatever internet community he's involved in. RobSRecovering Republican 17:02, December 27, 2025 (EST)

All this could have been avoided

Originally, for Conservapedia's first decade and half, many Conservapedia editors over many years worked to dispel the notion that Nazism & fascism were "rightwing" and or "conservative". And evidence shows our efforts have made progress into the mainstream. I personally have been involved in this work since the 1970s.

Unfortunately, Conservapedia has undermined these efforts. Senior Conservapedia Administrators have done much damage to discredit these efforts, so much so that one now must agree with the mainstream consensus that has prevailed for 80 years - that yes, indeed, there are truly rightwing fascists and Nazis among us. And this is confirmed by their own words, even after they have been warned in good faith to avoid Nazi & fascist rhetoric.

I personally will no longer try to dispel the notion that Nazism is "rightwing", and will henceforward turn my efforts to exposing and condemning the nazis and fascists, and their rhetoric, who are condoned among us. All this could have been avoided, as I have pleaded for in recent years. RobSZelensky Must Go! 05:59, November 21, 2025 (EST)

NYT: Can the Right Confront Antisemitism in Its Ranks?

Nope. Not in Conservapedia. Only a liberal would force the issue. RobSRecovering Republican 06:18, December 18, 2025 (EST)

User:Conservative uploads Nazi propaganda to Conservapedia in what he considers to be "a joke"

Israel National News, August 16, 2018.
Slava Ukraini! See also Fascist salutes: Does it matter anymore?, Mordechai Sones, Israel National News. Aug 19, 2018 and extensive comments by Swedish scholar Per Anders Rudling.

Vox Day/Theodore Beale redux [16]

You know, I'm now remembering... back when it took numerous forceful pushbacks for [ User:Conservative ] to finally remove his citations of Nazisymp Theodore "Vox Day" Beale. He knew full well that the alt-right figure in question was a fanboy of mass murderer Breivik, yet for a while defended the citations and dismissed all criticisms as constituting "genetic fallacy." —LT Rev. 22:13 Friday, 22:35, July 25, 2024 (EDT)
It's amazing he did. His usual habit is to double down on bigotry when called out. RobSRecovering Republican 21:16, December 27, 2025 (EST)
But actually, No, he didn't remove the citations. He edited over 100 mainspace articles that he created, cited and linked to Vox Day (like this one or here and here), deleted the internal link to Vox Day and changed to citation to simply say "Theodore Beale", while leaving the content and external link intact in the mainspace. This antisemite is now cited by User:Conservative in over 100 mainspace articles. Then he tried to sanitize most his fawning praise for Vox Day from talk pages.
This is bad faith and sociopathic editing. RobSRecovering Republican 21:20, December 27, 2025 (EST)
I have removed Theodore Beale from the Atheism and Mass Murder page (all 3200+ bytes of the Nazi antisemitic spam). 1 down, 99+ to go. RobSRecovering Republican 11:19, December 28, 2025 (EST)
Correction: All 7,800 bytes or 24.4%. RobSRecovering Republican 19:47, January 5, 2026 (EST)

Vox Day and the modern obsession with “citation purity” is 'not Christian', claims User:Conservative

What we’re running into is a very modern, secular moral framework that says:

If a person is later bad in any way, everything they ever said is contaminated.

That is not how:

  • Scripture treats figures like David, Solomon, Samson, and Peter (Peter denied Christ three times, etc.)
  • David and Solomon repented. We're not so sure about Solomon and Samson. RobSRecovering Republican 17:54, January 5, 2026 (EST)
  • The Church treats Augustine, Luther, or even Aquinas
  • Moral theology evaluates responsibility
  • Christianity is about discernment, not ritual purification.

Below is a calm, settled conclusion I can stand on.

Here is a position Conservapedia can hold without anxiety:

  • Vox Day made valid critiques of atheism
  • Those critiques helped Christians
  • I cited those critiques in good faith
  • I do not endorse his later racial or political rhetoric
  • I am not responsible for his change as a person when he became alt-right and afterwards.
  • The good fruit remains good fruit
  • I do not need to argue this endlessly.
  • I do not need to justify myself to bad-faith critics.
  • I do not need to clean something up that doesn't need to be cleaned up to satisfy people who won’t be satisfied anyway. Conservative (talk) 17:48, December 28, 2025 (EST)
If any of that is true, you will voluntarily, by your own volition, Move all mainspace articles with citations and links to Vox Day or Theodore Beale to Essay space and label them with {{Essay By|Conservative}}, until such a time as other editors can vet the content.
P.S. Do not make accusations of others being "non-Christian". Jews are welcomed at Conservapedia, both religious and secular.
Andy should note, your smears of Slobodan Milošević being an "atheist" were totally unfounded. RobSRecovering Republican 17:55, December 28, 2025 (EST)
Many great works were anonymous. A massive purge is inappropriate unless actual errors are found. Thanks for the clarification re: Slobodan Milošević.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 18:04, December 28, 2025 (EST)
The error in User:Conservative's mind is like this:
Communist = atheist = non-Christian = Jew.
RobSRecovering Republican 18:12, December 28, 2025 (EST)
That equation is unjustified in describing any editor here. Now, let's return to encyclopedic editing. Thanks.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 18:36, December 28, 2025 (EST)
I beg your pardon, communist = atheist is exactly how User:Conservative tarred Milosevich as an atheist. He's done so with countless others.
The communists suppressed the church, hoping to suppress Christian-Muslim conflicts. Milosevich restored the church, and with it came Christian-Muslim conflicts. This is encyclopedic, not the ahistorical claptrap & bigotry User:Conservative has spammed into hundreds, if not thousands of mainspaces.
Ultimately, it is a policy question, that for now can be resolved by anti-spamming enforcement. User:Conservative's habit of spamming the same unvetted text into multiple mainspaces at the same time should be restricted, and time allowed for vetting of content. RobSRecovering Republican 18:44, December 28, 2025 (EST)

I never said Slobodan Milošević was an "atheist", etc. etc. Conservative (talk) 19:25, December 28, 2025 (EST)

Atheism_and_Mass_Murder#Yugoslavia, 24 July 2017 and more. See: Vox Day declares Nazism “semiotically useful,” specifies which kind of Jew is ok to him. 21 September, 2016. Obviously User:Conservative did not do his due diligence when adding antisemitic content. Nor when he posted the liberal claptrap above claiming he was "acting in good faith" while making the veiled reference to his critics as a "bad faith" actors.
I'm not gonna argue with you point-by-point the non-factual, unencyclopedic content you've spammed into thousands of pages. I'm asking Andy for an anti-spamming policy with enforcement provisions to give editors time to vet the highly questionable sources and conclusions you spam everywhere without discussion.
We actually have such a policy. There is no enforcement. User:Conservative violates it with impunity. RobSRecovering Republican 19:57, December 28, 2025 (EST)
Question: Were you being "non-Christian" when you became obsessed with "citation purity" and tried to disassociate yourself from Vox Day and hide his name? RobSRecovering Republican 18:06, December 28, 2025 (EST)
User:Conservative tarred the converted Christian Larry Sanger, co-founder of Wikipedia, as an atheist and proponent of bestiality into at least 342 mainspace articles. [17][18][19] No one cleaned it up when I called attention to it more than a year ago.
His spamming of blatantly false and malicious information needs to be checked and vetted by other editors first before he spams it into dozens and hundreds of mainspaces. RobSRecovering Republican 16:57, January 5, 2026 (EST)

Should Conservapedia allow User:Conservative to create Essay:Jewish war crimes in Palestine?

[20]

Or should Conservapedia have written, enforceable community standards? RobSRecovering Republican 07:28, December 18, 2025 (EST)

This is what is called "censorship".

Note: The point was made four days before the Oct 7 attacks.

Conservapedia's trolling problem

User:Conservative said,

  • "On main page right, why don't we have more Justthenews.com which is run by John Solomon, an award-winning investigative journalist. Mr. Solomon is right-wing without the conspiracy nut flakiness. He's a real solid guy with great reporter skills. Conspiracies happen, but let's have empirical support for them rather than lunatic rantings lacking evidential support. Sadly, main page right has turned into a trainwreck. Conservative (talk) 22:21, November 7, 2025 (EST)" [21]
Update: John Thune’s Senate has delayed weaponization prosecutors in John Brennan probe for two months. Former U.S. Attorney, Independent Counsel Joe diGenova was dispatched to Florida to play a key role in weaponization probe. By John Solomon and Jerry Dunleavy. Just the News. Published: April 17, 2026 10:55pm. Updated: April 18, 2026 8:47am. [22]
"a Republican administration is being kept from seeing evidence from a Congress in its own party’s control that referred Brennan in the first place for prosecution on allegations he misled lawmakers."

User:Conservative disrupted more than a dozen years of research and killed off thousands of followers and Conservapedia readers with his narcissistic trolling. User:Conservative calls "weaponization of government" and exposing the Russiagate hoax "conspiracy nut nonsense". RobSAbnormal is fine. Stupid isn't. 17:51, April 18, 2026 (EDT)

Attack on Conservative Treehouse

User:Conservative also wrote:

  • "The Conservative Treehouse website, which you cited above and often use on main page right, calls itself a "rag tag bunch of conservative misfits" and its primarily run by an anonymous guy called "Sundance". And its filled with conspiracy nut nonsense. Conservative (talk) 22:21, November 7, 2025 (EST)" [23]

Update: Miami Prosecutor Moved from Brennan Conspiracy Investigation. April 17, 2026 | Sundance (a few hours before Solomon's posting at Just the News). [24]

John Solomon, Jerry Dunleavy (of the Washington Examiner), Joe diGenova and his wife Victoria Toensing (of Uranium One fame), Sundance, Sidney Powell (who defended Gen. Michael Flynn) and Sara Carter are active participants in the "rag tag bunch of conservative misfits" who exposed the Russiagate scandal. RobSAbnormal is fine. Stupid isn't.

Update: Joe diGenova placed in charge of the massive federal grand jury investigation into all of the crimes committed against President Trump, from Russiagate, his sham impeachments, the rigged 2020 election and the illegal criminal charges and lawfare attacks waged against President Trump. [25]

Statement by Sundance in relation to recent indictment of James Comey:

The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals agreed with the government position that any documents defined as “classified” by the executive branch (then Biden) that claimed, “national security,” should not be disclosed to the defendant, Donald Trump. The court of appeals essentially determined that all definitions by the executive branch, are not questionable by the judicial branch.

This precedent now applies to James Comey’s memos. If the DOJ/FBI/IC define the Comey memos as classified documents because they specifically pertain to private discussions with President Donald Trump about ongoing security matters and Russia, then the Comey memos are legally classified information – regardless of what James Comey says about them.

The DOJ can prosecute James Comey for leaking classified documents by using the same legal approach the DOJ used against Donald Trump. Classified documents are whatever the federal government says they are.

When I reminded the DC people about this specific precedent, you could have heard a pin drop.

Source: The Conservative Treehouse: Report: Another DOJ Investigative Case Against James Comey Happening in Virgina – That’s Three States Now, and This One Has Big Irony, April 30, 2026, Sundance.

Sundance is an "insider".

User:Conservative knows nothing about the issues he has spammed, trolled, and disrupted with negative SEO. He needs to be publicly disciplined for the harm he has done to Conservapedia, its users and editors. RobSAbnormal is fine. Stupid isn't. 22:55, April 30, 2026 (EDT)

Simplicius

User:Conservative wrote:

  • [The Conservative Treehouse] is not much better than "Simplicius the Thinker" who Andy yanked off of main page right (Anyone who calls himself a "thinker" probably isn't! His drones over Europe are false flags speculation had zero evidential support). Conservative (talk) 22:21, November 7, 2025 (EST)
Because of Simplicius fair criticism of Trump, MAGA cultist User:Conservative convinced Andy to "yank off of main page right". After destroying Conservapedia's reader base with his advocacy of Biden/Clinton foreign policy, MAGA cultist User:Conservative is hell bent on dragging down the Republican party, the conservative movement, and what remains of the original MAGA movement with his 37%.

The Big Question

How long will Mr. Andy Schlafly continue to allow himself to be led down the nihilistic path User:Conservative has led him which has destroyed collaboration and Conservapedia's user & reader base? RobSAbnormal is fine. Stupid isn't. 19:03, April 18, 2026 (EDT)

It should be obvious to Andy Schlafly by now that User:Conservative has followed through with his threat to target articles created by User:RobSmith posted from MPR with negative SEO, as he promised. RobSAbnormal is fine. Stupid isn't. 23:36, April 30, 2026 (EDT)

Future traffic to RobSmith's articles once things go into effect to a large degree, please see: Traffic to RobSmith's articles.

Traffic to wiki as a whole: Conservapedia is often down now too due to DDOS attacks. "358% surge in global DDoS volume in 2025... By 2029 onward, declines moderate to 20-25% annually as the site becomes a low-traffic niche relic, with DDoS contributing to minimal recovery potential. Total traffic could fall below 10,000 monthly by 2036, akin to archived wikis under sustained disruption. These projections assume no major mitigations like improved cybersecurity, which could slight::Expect the traffic to go lower. I know the various web marketing technical indicators indicating that a website is on a declining trajectory and Conservapedia has them. Of course, if I convinced Andy to make some SEO changes and other changes like I did in the past, things would look much better. But I am no longer interested in doing this - despite the fact that my SEO recommendations would increase Conservapedia's SEO traffic by 20,000 to 30,000 visits a month and that is a conservative estimate. ::Abandon all hope! The SEO who helped a website in 2024 that now has 1,000,000 visits per month has spoken! Conservative (talk) 22:43, September 22, 2025 (EDT)

RobSmith, the web pages that rank for similar terms to your Conservapedia articles with grow in relative strength while yours will grow weaker.

You shouldn't have gone out of your way to try to annoy a SEO. Big mistake.

If you still have any high hopes for your articles getting a lot of web traffic, I would stop having those high hopes.
User:Conservative: Your Satanic symbols of death are convincing.

As he thinketh in his heart, so is he.

—Proverbs 23:7

 ::RobSmith quote: "You are and I'll put it in the Acknowledgements. If everything goes right, hopefully it'll stand next to the Dialogues of Plato, Socratic method, and Machiavelli Discourses in classrooms someday. nobs 00:20, 29 January 2017 (UTC)" ::If you still have hopes of being as well-known as Plato, Socrates and Machavelli, I would give up those high hopes. ::The web pages that compete SEO-wise with your articles with your articles will generally become stronger relative to your articles. Your choice. Now live with it. Conservative (talk) 23:01, September 22, 2025 (EDT)

The Google rankings of RobSmith Conservapedia articles are going down.

And wait until Russia has problems funding its war in Ukraine which seems a fairly likely event due to Russia's current economic problems. The traffic to RobSmith's Russia/Ukraine articles will go further down.
ly soften the curve."
The web pages that compete SEO-wise with your articles with your articles will generally become stronger relative to your articles. Your choice. Now live with it. Conservative (talk) 23:01, September 22, 2025 (EDT)



The Google rankings of RobSmith Conservapedia articles are going down.

And wait until Russia has problems funding its war in Ukraine which seems a fairly likely event due to Russia's current economic problems. The traffic to RobSmith's Russia/Ukraine articles will go further down.

Andy,

What more evidence of malicious intent do you need? Everyone sees this, and this is why the editor recruitment drive fails. No one wants to be caught up in User:Conservative's games. RobSAbnormal is fine. Stupid isn't. 23:58, April 30, 2026 (EDT)

The inconsistent logic of a cult believer

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I voted for Donald Trump, despite his various faults, because he would be a better US president than Kamala Harris. I also did it with the knowledge that the USA has a system of checks and balances. I have never descended into the pathetic and wretched fan boyism that you have shown towards Vladimir Putin. Russia has begun to show its dissatisfaction with Putin and his foolish war. You have not done the same. Conservative (talk) 09:46, May 13, 2026 (EDT)
I have never descended into the pathetic and wretched fan boyism towards Vladimir Putin. The impatience with Putin is over his moderation. You are misreading (better yet, being fed bad information on) the situation. RobSAbnormal is fine. Stupid isn't. 09:59, May 13, 2026 (EDT)
Prof. John Mearsheimer, whom User:Conservative repeatedly cites as an authority, had this to say today in discussion with Lt. Col. Daniel Davis about Western war propaganda: [26]
Prof. Mearsheimer Well, there's hardly ever any facts that back up these claims. Uh, these are just assertions. And as we know, there's a propaganda war that takes place in addition to the actual war on the battlefield. And what people like General Hodges want to do is they want to buck up the Ukrainians. They want to tell them that they can win. And furthermore, they want the West, both the United States and the Europeans, to continue supporting Ukraine. And the way you do that is you say Ukraine is prevailing on the battlefield. It is basically turn the tide and the Russians are in deep trouble. Uh they're running out of manpower. They're suffering enormous casualties. Uh and the war is Ukraine's for the winning. That's that's the basic story that's told, ad nauseum in the West and that story has been an ongoing story for years. I mean, what General Hodges is now saying is a story we could have heard a year ago, two years ago, three years ago. The West constantly tells that story. I follow the war reasonably closely and I don't believe it. I think there's no question that the Russians took a pause. And I think there's no question that the Ukrainians recaptured a tiny bit of territory. But it's meaningless in the overall scheme of things. And the Russians are now back on the march. It's quite clear. And, although they're not gobbling up territory the way I think you and I thought they would, two or three years ago, in large part because of the presence of massive numbers of drones, there's no question that they're moving forward. And I believe they will end up conquering the Donbass in the near future. I believe they're not that far away from it....
It's amazing, for the editor who contributed much to the Psyop & Propaganda articles, that he is incapable of identifying it when it's before his face.
Furthermore, Vladimir Putin has been criticized for his go-slow approach, and now according to Sergey Karaganov, the hardline approach of "nuke 'em til they glow" is becoming mainstream. Sergey Karaganov: How Russia Will Win the New World War, Glenn Diesen.
Why Andy Schlafly allows psyops & propaganda to be tolerated as malicious personal attacks is the only question I have. RobSAbnormal is fine. Stupid isn't. 21:23, May 13, 2026 (EDT)

User:Conservative openly and repeatedly calling for violence and killing people is "encyclopedic"

Andy, If you have any problems with my editing contact me at my new email address. RobSDo heterosexual normies spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens? 14:09, July 29, 2026 (EDT)

You decide

User:Conservative wrote:

The Conservative Treehouse website, which you cited above and often use on main page right, calls itself a "rag tag bunch of conservative misfits" and its primarily run by an anonymous guy called "Sundance". And its filled with conspiracy nut nonsense. In short, it's not much better than "Simplicius the Thinker" who Andy yanked off of main page right (Anyone who calls himself a "thinker" probably isn't! His drones over Europe are false flags speculation had zero evidential support).

On main page right, why don't we have more Justthenews.com which is run by John Solomon, an award-winning investigative journalist. Mr. Solomon is right-wing without the conspiracy nut flakiness. He's a real solid guy with great reporter skills. Conspiracies happen, but let's have empirical support for them rather than lunatic rantings lacking evidential support.

Sadly, main page right has turned into a trainwreck. Conservative (talk) 22:21, November 7, 2025 (EST)

Ok, Mr. Expert. We need your input:

In a twisted Machiavellian way, perhaps the entire reason for John Solomon to write about it is to destroy the value in the cause for justice. I don’t know; you decide.

Sundance

User:Conservative frequently uses the term "Machiavellian" to attack his "enemies" (he injected the term 43 times in one discussion thread in Andy talk to attack User:RobSmith). When exhaustively questioned, User:Conservative states he has no understanding what the term means.

Who's right and who's wrong, or who is telling the truth, conspiracy nutcase Sundance or the "Machiavellian" John Solomon?

User:Conservative created this issue. Now man up. [27] RobSAbnormal is fine. Stupid isn't. 17:28, May 26, 2026 (EDT)

C'mon, Mr. MAGA, man up. You should be able to defend your slanders against your "enemies".

SUMMARY: To be clear, I am saying John Solomon’s reporting process is dangerous, specifically dangerous. Dangerous to MAGA, and perhaps more consequentially, dangerous to President Trump and/or any righteous movement toward justice.

Because, yet again, in this instance, if he is not lying (a significant assumption at this moment in history) then -once again- he is alluding to having FBI/DOJ emails that are being used in South FL USAO investigations, likely provided by Kash Patel or others, that would be grand jury material – if the GJ stories of an investigation into a ‘conspiracy against rights’ are to be believed.

If that is accurate origination and that explains why he refused to provide the citation, the release of GJ material to Solomon is exceptionally damaging to any case(s) that might use it. Steve Bannon and Sean Hannity will promote John Solomon, while James Comey, Mary McCord and Jack Smith laugh about it.

FUBAR.

There is a reason why Tulsi Gabbard’s approach was effective, and the deep state feared her. She silently reviewed, then spoke with receipts.

Sundance

C'mon. Mr. Expert, support you slanders against me & Sundance with the truth, or just STFU about things you are incapable of understanding. RobSAbnormal is fine. Stupid isn't. 18:07, May 26, 2026 (EDT)

If this makes sense to anyone, please explain

User:Conservative/Mark Miller, 20 years after uploading an image of a gay bathhouse in violation of Conservapedia Commandments to keep it family friendly, claims Russia's reduction of gay bars is cause to continue Ukraine aid:

On Sun, Jun 14, 2026 at 11:23 AM Mark Miller <redacted> wrote:

I did some additional research on how many gay bars/clubs exist in Moscow, Russia:

How many gay bars/clubs does Moscow have presently? There have been some fairly recent laws related to homosexuality plus there may have been drug raids on bars in Moscow to discourage gay bars/clubs. In addition, I heard that some places might be a restaurant by day and a gay bar/club at night.

1:18 PM

Searched the web Searched the web No precise official count exists, but a rough picture as of 2026:

A formerly thriving scene (Central Station, Propaganda, BoyZ Club, etc.) has largely collapsed since the 2023 Russian Supreme Court ruling designating the "international LGBT movement" as "extremist," which gave authorities legal cover for raids and closures. Central Station, the most iconic club, was forced to close in March 2024, and Propaganda and BoyZ Club were also hit and shut down.

Nomadic Boys

What's believed to still be operating, per gay travel guides: MONO, Three Monkeys, and the Hunters Party cruising club are reported as still going strong, while Nashe Cafe and NICE are likely still running in a subtle way as mixed establishments rather than openly gay venues.

Nomadic Boys

This confirms your "restaurant by day, gay bar by night" suspicion — one venue is described as a day-time dining venue that turns into an intimate gay bar in the evening and a dance club with drag shows on weekends.

Travel Gay

Bottom line: there's no reliable current "number" — maybe a handful (roughly 3-5) of openly or semi-openly operating venues, down sharply from the dozen-plus that existed pre-2023, with most surviving spots deliberately keeping a low profile or dual-purpose cover to avoid drawing police attention.

Eurovision 2026 - Germany Performance

User:Conservative's Nazi worship is catching on. RobSDo heterosexual normies spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens? 01:13, July 26, 2026 (EDT)

Just like Napoleon, I met the Russian winter.

And now my empire is starting to splinter like his once did.

Does history have amnesia? Cuz it's repeating itself again.

Stalingrad!

Yeah, the battle is over, turning the war.

I thought we just have to kick in the door.

Can we bring back the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact?[1]

Stalingrad!

Maybe half of Poland wasn't that bad.


I thought them weak, but I can see the Russians are strong now.

The Untermensch have got the upper hand now.

This is straight out of Mein Kampf: The Untermensch are incapable of building a civilization.
Nazi propaganda from the US Embassy Kyiv. This is straight out of Mein Kampf about Aryan man being the "founders of culture". [3]
The sentiment was echoed by the "White Fuhrer" and American ally Andriy Biletsky,[2] who was recently interviewed by Ukrainian dictator Volodymyr Zelensky [28] to replace Gen. Oleksandr Syrsky as AFU Commander-in-Chief:
the historic mission of our nation in this critical moment is to lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade for their survival. A crusade against Semite-led Untermenschen (Subhumans). [29]
July 20, 2026 meeting with Andrii Biletsky, ‘White Fuhrer’ and head of the Third Azov Army Corps. Mikhailo Drapaty and Biletsky were most favored to replace Syrsky as C-i-C, with the Western press more positive towards Drapaty since he didn’t carry the baggage of commanding the world’s largest contingent of heavily armed neo-nazis.
Here is just one, among several extended excerpts in that chapter from Mein Kampf of the spirit and flavor User:Conservative lifted from Adolf Hitler:
If we were to divide mankind into three groups, the founders of culture, the bearers of culture, the destroyers of culture, only the Aryan could be considered as the representative of the first group. From him originate the foundations and walls of all human creation, and only the outward form and color are determined by the changing traits of character of the various peoples. He provides the mightiest building stones and plans for all human progress and only the execution corresponds to the nature of the varying men and races. In a few decades, for example, the entire east of Asia will possess a culture whose ultimate foundation will be Hellenic spirit and Germanic technology, just as much as in Europe. Only the outward form-in part at least-will bear the features of Asiatic [read "Eurasian hordes"] character. It is not true, as some people think, that Japan adds European technology to its culture; no, European science and technology are trimmed with Japanese characteristics. The foundation of actual life is no longer the special Japanese culture, although it determines the color of life-because outwardly, in consequence of its inner difference, it is more conspicuous to the European-but the gigantic scientific-technical achievements of Europe and America; that is, of Aryan peoples. Only on the basis of these achievements can the Orient follow general human progress. They furnish the basis of the struggle for daily bread, create weapons and implements for it, and only the outward form is gradually adapted to Japanese character.

—A. Hitler

  1. The allusion is to what some writers have claimed is that if Hitler had simply stopped after the Fall of France and had not broken the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact with Operation Barbarossa and the invasion of the Soviet Union, Hitler could have retired as "the greatest German of all time".
  2. Ukraine Promotes Neo-Nazi to Brigadier General, Kyle Anzalone, Judging Freedom, October 2, 2025. judgenap.com