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Zelenksy made Trump look like a fool

Right after Trump admitted he knew nothing about the assassination attempt on Putin, Zelensky boasted that the attack to cancel all nuclear arms agreements was 18 months in the planning (Remember, to "Trump-proof" the war). When asked by Putin if he had any advance knowledge of the attack, Trump didn't lie (and breach trust) but had to admit that he is not in charge of his administration or US foreign policy. Trump's is in deep trouble.

Last report: Zelensky & Yermak in flight to the US, destination unknown (probably to Lady Lindsey's office. RobSZelensky Must Go! 18:19, June 6, 2025 (EDT)

Lt Col Daniel Davis: Trump Must Dump Zelensky - He's Not a Rational Actor. Davis was Tulsi Gabbard's choice for deputy, denied by Senate neocons. RobSZelensky Must Go! 18:57, June 6, 2025 (EDT)

The Deep State subverted Trump's peace initiative with an attack on Russia's Strategic Nuclear Triad a day before peace talks, making Steve Bannon's prophetic warning come true: failure to cut off Zelensky on Day One and get out of Ukraine will make Biden's war Trump's Vietnam. RobSZelensky Must Go! 00:46, June 8, 2025 (EDT)
Mearsheimer: The TROUBLE Trump is in - You Can't Underestimate it].
Trump reportedly called Operation Spiderweb "Strong" and "badass".[3]
The Russian intelligence organization the FSB dropped the ball. Conservative (talk) 01:49, June 9, 2025 (EDT)
Oh, so you got your wish: Trump 2.0 is now Biden 2.0.

Alastair Crooke: Trump knew. [4]

Five Eyes Blind Trump. [5]

Calm before the storm

Dr Brovkin: Russia's Fury: Retribution Begins

Off Leash with Erik Prince: Destructive Drone Attacks on Russia Threaten World Peace

BORZZIKMAN: Russia Eliminated TOP British and Ukrainian Officers Responsible for the Attack on Russian Air Bases.

Sit tight. More to come and be grateful it was them and not you in a nuclear retaliatory strike.

MoA: Russia Seeks 'Asymmetrical' Response For Strike On Its Nuclear Assets.

Be patient. It's coming.

Revenge or justice?

Scott Ritter: The Sh*t Has Hit the Fan

The consequences of bad covert action policy.

Scott Ritter: Dangerous Endgame in Ukraine: Collapse or Escalation

Trump blames Zelensky for disrupting the peace talks. [6] "We had progress, but then something gets bombed that shouldn't be bombed, and that's the end of progress."

Trump LIVE: ‘Zelensky’s Stupid Move…’ [7]

More Ukrainian/UK terrorism

Ukrainian militants tried to kill Vasily Prozorov, founder of UKR LEAKS

Daily Mail

This Daily Mail headline, Transgender American who joined Ukrainian army and said Kyiv should 'hunt down' Russian journalists is given 20-year jail term, is misleading. Ashton-Cirillo was fired as the TCC spokesman for making death threats against American journalists, not Russian, reporting from Donbas. Sen. JD Vance intervened with the CIA and State Dept asking why US funds were used to intimidate and make death threats against Americans practicing their constitutional rights, and Ashton -Cirillo was fired.

Ashton-Cirillo had a hand in the arrest & murder of Gonzalo Lira. RobSZelensky Must Go! 16:03, June 7, 2025 (EDT)

Daily Mail update: EXCLUSIVE Ukrainian commandos 'sent inexperienced Brit, 20, on "suicide mission" into no-man's land then left his body to rot after he was cut down by Russian fire'.

Ukraine's refusal to accept the return of 500 6,000 dead bodies

Ukraine’s Despicable Refusal to Claim Its Fallen Soldiers: A Shameful Act of Denial and Neglect. [1]

The story of Ukraine's difficulty in receiving the bodies of 6,000 dead servicemen is a new blow to the entire structure of Kiev's official narrative, built on the denial of large-scale losses and the controllability of mobilization.

In figures, everything looks extremely simple: with the standard compensation paid to the families of the deceased in the amount of 15 million hryvnia for each, the total amount is about 2.1 billion dollars at the current exchange rate. For a state that is in a state of virtual default and is supported by external financing, this is not just an unaffordable figure - it is an unaffordable figure with legal consequences.

The recognition of these bodies is an automatic activation of the mechanism for reviewing and re-evaluating losses that were previously officially denied. And here, not mathematics, but politics is involved. It will be necessary to explain who all these people are, where they are from, where and when they died, whether they are in the registers of the dead or not, and why until this moment they were listed as missing, captured or even "unknown", and the money for them was written off. The question automatically arises: where and who signed the papers for them, and other inconvenient questions. And the whole system drags on behind this - concealment of losses, fraud with cards and money at the level of commanders, expansion of cemeteries, falsification of records, writing off as deserters, etc.

Considering that, according to official documents alone, there are currently about 90 thousand deserters (and up to 150 more according to unofficial estimates), if the bodies are accepted, the situation will become completely uncontrollable.

Therefore, Ukraine's refusal to accept the bodies is almost guaranteed. Any versions will be voiced: "unidentified persons", "civilians", "exhumed from temporary burials", "mixed up corpses" and so on. Anything to avoid signing the register of deaths of those from whom (possibly even today) money is being received. But it is the refusal that will become a signal. Because in this case, society will receive for the first time formal proof that losses not only exist, but they are counted in the hundreds of thousands (because 6,000 bodies are only those who were collected and unloaded in morgues), and they are being systematically hidden.

Against the backdrop of the collapse of Chasov Yar, Sumy Oblast, Pokrovsk, technical default, budget deficit and other problems, this will not be informational damage - it will be an image collapse. It will no longer be covered up by a telethon or a drone attack on Moscow. RobSZelensky Must Go! 17:26, June 7, 2025 (EDT)

Update: Scott Ritter: Shocking Find! Russia Uncovers Hidden NATO Weapons in Liberated Donetsk Village.

Update: The governor of the Zaporozhye region, Yevgeny Balitsky, has begun publishing lists of identified Ukrainian soldiers whose bodies Kiev refuses to take over, despite agreements reached during the second round of negotiations, so that families have the opportunity to learn the fate of their loved ones.

According to Balitsky, this is a deliberate attempt to conceal the true extent of the losses and avoid paying compensation to families. While a soldier is listed as "missing", the state is not obliged to pay a single hryvnia.

The families of each dead soldier is "owed" 15 million hryvnia (about $361,000) in compensation and burial costs. The transfer of the first 6,000 bodies already waiting at the border will cost Ukraine more than $2 billion. This sum represents more than five percent of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense’s expenditure. Russia is said to have an additional 40,000 bodies of Ukrainian soldiers on Russian territory. According to Politico, Moscow may use them "as part of an information and economic attack" on Kiev. [8]

Former Rada deputy Vladimir Olejnik describes the process:

“ As practice shows, almost all relatives of killed soldiers in Ukraine are denied compensation and demand a court decision....The relatives have to prove that the person killed was not under the influence of alcohol or drugs, had not deserted and had not refused to carry out an order....The payout procedures take a long time. In view of the fact that Ukraine cannot repay 600 million dollars to foreign creditors, it is not planning to pay its citizens the full amount. ”

Update: 1,212 fallen Ukrainian soldiers has been delivered to the Ukrainian border.

"neither the day before yesterday nor yesterday did the Ukrainian side confirm receipt of these bodies there are indications that the handover might supposedly be postponed until next week i confirm that we are waiting for an official notification through the channel known to the Ukrainian side regarding the handover of the bodies i repeat we are ready to return more than 6,000 bodies in batches by road and by rail"

Desertions

90,950 criminal cases of desertion from the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been registered in Ukraine since the beginning of 2025

In May alone, 19,956 reports of desertion were filed with the Unified Register of Pre-Trial Investigations, reports Ukrainian journalist Volodymyr Boyko.

At the same time, deserters are practically not being sought - in the first five months of 2025, only 1,375 people returned to the unit, Boyko added.

MoA: The Defeat of The West And Its Dislocation

"The West, or as Mearsheimer is arguing (vid), 'liberal hegemony', has been routed in Afghanistan. The attempts to 'liberate' Libya and Syria have failed to the point where the Western 'war on terror' launched against al-Qaeda has led to the installation of an al-Qaeda bigwig as the new president of Syria. The economic decline of the West is demonstrated by the rise of China. The West's moral self-defeat of its 'values' can be daily witnessed in Gaza.

"'Liberal democracy', the system of ideas that has for decades been the leading light of the West, has failed.

"Like communism in Russia, 'liberal democracy' has not only an economic side but is also a kind of religion. The failure of this belief system is upon us.

"The accumulation of defeat after defeat by the 'liberal democracy' system has led to a psychological breakdown, an internal dislocation of the West. This is now leading to irrational acts and to seeking refuge in wishful thinking.

"Or, as Alastair Crooke is summarizing the phenomenon and warns:

"The psychological dislocation caused by ‘defeat’ may explain (but not justify) the West's ‘curious’ inability to understand world events: The almost pathological dissociation from the real world that it displays in its words and actions: It's blindness – for example, to the Russian experience of history and to the long history behind Shi'a defiance in Iran. Yet, even as the political situation deteriorates … there is no sign of the West becoming more reality-based in its understanding – and it is very likely that it will continue to live in its alternative construction of reality – until it is forcibly expelled." [9]

RobSZelensky Must Go! 00:24, June 8, 2025 (EDT)

About Gaza? "Negotiator" Qatar is playing the West, very well.LaMarina (talk) 09:12, June 8, 2025 (EDT)
The rise of China? China's population has declined for the third consecutive year and its economy is a period of deflation along with having other economic crisis such as high youth unemployment and a major property crisis.[10]
Will tech be China's solution to pull itself out of its economic hole? "The 10 executives, investors and economists I interviewed said they believed that China’s advances in tech would not be enough to pull the country out of its economic slump. Advanced manufacturing makes up about only 6 percent of China’s output, much smaller than real estate, which contributes about 17 percent of gross domestic product even after a sharp slowdown."[11]
And Russia has high inflation and its economy has begun to slow down.[12] Also, there are now billboards of Trump across Syria's capital city. Conservative (talk) 16:45, June 8, 2025 (EDT)
Spam away, bro, and deny reality with wishful thinking.
The world is constantly changing and Personal remark removed China peaked economically and it is now experiencing deflation and demographic decline. Personal remark removed Personal remark removed that has flowed in. Be curious and open. Conservative (talk) 17:00, June 8, 2025 (EDT)
And in the United States, More young Americans turning toward Catholicism. Conservative (talk) 17:14, June 8, 2025 (EDT)

White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt: TRUMP EFFECT: Higher Pay for American Workers: “President Trump’s America First Economic Agenda has created a BOOMING economy — jobs are up, unemployment is down, wages are increasing, and inflation is dead. More than 139,000 good jobs were added to the private sector in May, all accounted for by American-born workers. Americans should continue to trust in President Trump, who continues to beat expectations.” Conservative (talk) 17:22, June 8, 2025 (EDT)

Mearsheimer: Declining Rationality in the West.
Mersheimer has a mixed record. A year ago, he claimed Israel was in deep trouble. It wasn't in deep trouble. Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran are much weaker now. Conservative (talk) 17:37, June 8, 2025 (EDT)
Iran Ups Ante as Israel Chafes for Face-Saving Escalation.
"We reached the capability to build nuclear weapons 15-20 years ago.” -Fereydoon Abbasi, former head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organization.
Again, looks like more "wishful thinking".
Mearsheimer, like most people, can be wrong about some things and right about others. He is not infallible.
Also, the war in Ukraine happened due to the irrational,feeble minded Biden, the irrational leftists in the Biden Administration and the irrational Putin who got himself involved in a war of attrition in the midst of Russia having a demographic crisis that he called an existential threat to Russia. Conservative (talk) 17:47, June 8, 2025 (EDT)
Hey, you are the guy who promoted both Mearsheimer & Emmanuel Todd as your qualified experts. If you got a dispute with either, here is not the place. RobSZelensky Must Go! 17:43, June 8, 2025 (EDT)
P.S. You still seem to have no idea what a "war of attrition" is. You apparently think it's some sort of accidental by product of a failed blitzkrieg and not what it actually is - a deliberate strategy. NATO chief warlord Mark Rutte: Russia produces as much ammunition in three months as NATO does in a year, June 6, 2025. So yah, let NATO continue the war for another year and Russia can go on for 4 more years.
The fact remains that the world is changing quickly. It's no longer 2020. China's real estate bubble popped in December of 2021 and now the world is a significantly different place. Personal remark removed of the world is a dinosaur. Conservative (talk) 17:57, June 8, 2025 (EDT)
Go back and reread Focus (personal development), you evidently missed something.
I am moving forward and not moving backward. It's best to continually change one's view of the world based on the fact that it is continually changing. Clinging to the past due to how we wish it still was is for the birds. Onward Christian soldiers! Olé! Olé! Olé! Conservative (talk) 18:12, June 8, 2025 (EDT)
"It's best to continually change one's view of the world based on the fact that it is continually changing." Good! Does that mean you are ready to abandon fascism for real conservativism? RobSZelensky Must Go! 18:15, June 8, 2025 (EDT)
"It's best to continually change one's view of the world based on the fact that it is continually changing." [2]
Deny there are billboards of Trump throughout the capital of Syria and that the Americans still have a much higher GDP per capita than both China/Russia and lose all credibility! Capitalism and a higher level of freedom works which is why people are leaving China and Russia and flocking to the USA! Conservative (talk) 18:20, June 8, 2025 (EDT)

There are not billboards of Xi throughout the capital of Syria! It's billboards of Trump all the way! Conservative (talk) 18:25, June 8, 2025 (EDT)

Al Qaeda backs Trump. That's good to know. RobSZelensky Must Go! 18:34, June 8, 2025 (EDT)
{1}. On the other hand: Leader Of Al-Qaeda In The Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) Calls On American Muslims To Assassinate President Trump, Vance, Rubio, Hegseth, And Musk... they are not updated about Trump/Musk rift.. {2}. Re lamarina's important comment, see this.Telling (talk) 21:40, June 10, 2025 (EDT)
U.S. Department of the Treasury Press Release: Treasury Issues Immediate Sanctions Relief for Syria, May 23, 2025. (Now we understand why there's billboards thanking Trump).
Reuters: Islamic State reactivating fighters, eying comeback in Syria and Iraq, June 12, 2025. (Now we understand why the embassy in Iraq issued travel warnings and evacuated non-essential personnel. [13])

Federalization of National Guard troops

The Federalization of Guard troops in California is based on the 1957 Orval_E._Faubus#Little_Rock_9 precedent when President Eisenhower nationalized the Guard to enforce desegregation orders - an action with remaining constitutional questions.RobSZelensky Must Go! 01:02, June 8, 2025 (EDT)

California demands the U.S. Federal Government rescind control over the National Guard

The Office of California Governor Gavin Newsom has has requested that Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth rescind federal control over elements of the California National Guard and return their control to the State of California, citing the recent memorandum issued by President Trump which directs the Secretary of Defense to “coordinate with the Governors of the States and the National Guard Bureau” the federalization of members and units under the National Guard. [14] RobSZelensky Must Go! 19:24, June 8, 2025 (EDT)

Breaking: $300 million in weapons deliveries wiped out in single strike 5 days after delivery

Developing... [15] 56 Storm Shadow missiles, 32 Patriot missiles and 53 ATACMS reported destroyed.

Estonian police seek to question Israeli soccer captain over pro-Russia remarks

[16] Free speech in the West. RobSZelensky Must Go! 18:50, June 8, 2025 (EDT)

The Graham-Blumenthal Act

The Losers are Mad they're Losing which is driving them Mad. [17] RobSZelensky Must Go! 21:17, June 8, 2025 (EDT)

They haven't lost yet. Wars are unpredictable. Russia's economy could freeze up in the next 18 months or maybe down the pike. This appears to be the case: Russia's inflation combined with it's slowing economy is an unpredictable situation - especially since the price of oil could drop further. Thus, Russia's economy might be the decisive factor in this war. Conservative (talk) 22:24, June 8, 2025 (EDT)
"The Central Bank, led by Elvira Nabiullina, cut the key rate from 21% to 20%, citing signs of a "soft landing" and "stabilizing inflation." But a new report from the Kremlin-linked Center for Macroeconomic Analysis and Short-Term Forecasting (CAMAC) painted a darker picture: “Moscow is diving into stagflation,” with slowing growth and high inflation."[18] Conservative (talk) 22:29, June 8, 2025 (EDT)
Look, you had 4 months to bring yourself up to speed about what's happening on this planet. What have you done? You've made yourself a terrorist sympathizer in addition to being a Nazisymp. RobSZelensky Must Go! 22:52, June 8, 2025 (EDT)
Russia has made slow progress in acquiring more land and did it with very high casualties. They have blown through most of their sovereign fund and their supply of tanks is running low. On top of this, Russia experienced a brain drain due to this war and Russia cut their education budget too. This war has been disaster for Russia. Conservative (talk) 23:58, June 8, 2025 (EDT)
"their supply of tanks is running low."
This is the sort of statement that reveals that User:Conservative has no knowledge or understanding of what he is speaking about. And I'll divide my response in two sections.
(A) Tanks and armor are being withdrawn from the battlefield because of their vulnerability to drones (and being replaced with dirt motorbikes). This is true on all fronts by all sides, Ukraine, Gaza, Pakistan, etc. This is the current revolution in modern warfare.
(B) User:Conservative has no understanding WHY the Soviet Union collapsed. When WWII began in 1941, the USSR was caught flat footed. By 1945, the Soviet Union caught up and surpassed German military production, and it never looked back. It only increased, with all economic growth going into war production. There was never any "peace time conversion" in Soviet armaments production throughout Cold War I. It continued producing weapons, nonstop, from 1945 until it finally bankrupted itself 45 years later in 1990. The FAB-500 right now, which is winning the war, is technology produced in 1954. The Russians haven't needed to raid their stockpiles of upgrades produced in the 1960s, 1970s, or 1980s yet. Personally, I am astounded by such an idiotic suggestion that the Russians will ever run out of tanks. But it's not the first time. User:Conservative will never stop, think, and re-examine the propaganda claptrap that has corrupted his mind, judgement, and thinking.
Yah right. The Russians have nearly depleted their weapons stockpile produced in 1954. That leaves only what has been produced from 1955 to 2025 remaining.
Stop and think for a minute about the idiocy of such a statement, "they're running out of tanks": If the Soviet Union was such a bogeyman to the West for nearly 50 years, how is it they "ran out of tanks" in a civil war with their own Cold War partner in 3 years? In 50 years of Cold War rhetoric, propaganda, and scare tactics, I guess the Soviets never prepared to fight Germany, the United States, and NATO with tanks. - Incredible, the amount of ignorance and stupidity in statements like "they're running out of tanks" (obviously, these ideas are not his own).
Now, I could add an addendum about his redundant and inane spam about the Russian economy. The Soviet economy survived for nearly a half century immersed in peak wartime arms production. User:Conservative's redundant spam about Russian inflation after a few years is laughable - and totally ignorant of history. RobSZelensky Must Go! 07:05, June 10, 2025 (EDT)
P.S. I wouldn't have to use terms like "idiocy" if not for (A) the idiotic statements; (B) the idiotic statements redundantly spammed into dozens and dozens of Conservapedia mainspaces for years; (C) the absolute refusal by the author to engage in civil discussion over his content, actions, and behavior. It is items B & C that the term "idiocy" refers to. RobSZelensky Must Go! 20:05, June 10, 2025 (EDT)
Russia is struggling to gain new territory in Ukraine and it is advancing at a snail's pace - despite having a much bigger population than Ukraine. And Russia can't even protect its nation well as shown by Ukraine taking over Kursk recently and the Russian government telling its private citizens to help defend the country that the military can't defend Russia as well compared to the days of the Soviet Union (see: Will Russia become a failed state within 10 years? Is Russia currently a failed state? Will Russia eventually become a failed state?). And Trump is right when he said, that Russia is "having a hard time now with the economy"(Let's not forget that military might is built on economic might as John Mearsheimer correctly states). It is you and the Ruskies who obviously don't understand military matters. By the way, I updated my page at: [[User:Conservative/Military and related information]]. Conservative (talk) 11:17, June 11, 2025 (EDT)
You simply don't understand the impact of drone warfare.
Secondly, you don't understand Russian military doctrine. Russian doctrine is not modeled after German or American doctrine of Blitzkrieg (like France 1940 or Iraq 2003). There's no use in taking territory of you can't hold it.
Russia objective was never to conquer territory, but to destroy the enemies fighting force (demilitarization). RobSZelensky Must Go! 18:10, June 11, 2025 (EDT)
The NATO invasion of Kursk again shows the futility of a rapid advance on territory that you can't hold. RobSZelensky Must Go! 18:15, June 11, 2025 (EDT)
“ With Russia, it's impossible to fight a long war. ”

—Russia's chief negotiator cited in the WSJ, June 10, 2025. [19]

The flaw in American military thinking runs deep. Gen. Douglas MacArthur's rapid advance up the Korean Peninsula in 1950 to the Chinese border only to get spanked at the Chosun Reservoir is another example. RobSZelensky Must Go! 18:39, June 11, 2025 (EDT)


What the H are you talking about? What does that have to do with the Lady Lindsey-DaNang Dick bill? RobSZelensky Must Go! 00:02, June 9, 2025 (EDT)
Lindsey Graham has not obtained the sanctions he wanted so he was a "loser" in this round, but Russia has not been a winner in this war when you take into account all the things it has lost. It has been a big loser. Conservative (talk) 00:06, June 9, 2025 (EDT)
Uh duh, the vote is tomorrow, duh, Mr. Informed

Graham is not going to get what he wants in terms of sanctions. Any sanction bill that may pass will be watered down. Trump is working out a deal with China on trade so secondary sanctions would throw a wrench in that. Plus, in the past, when Trump's real estate empire was in trouble, Russian loan money helped bail him out. So he probably has some positive sentiments as far as Russia. I had a key person in my life who was a Russian who helped me so that created some goodwill on how I view Russia. Conservative (talk) 00:29, June 9, 2025 (EDT)

I only read as far as "Graham is not going to get what he wants...". Your track record isn't too good in discussing these subjects. You're just trolling and impeding other editor's productive editing.

RobSZelensky Must Go! 00:49, June 9, 2025 (EDT)

"when Trump's real estate empire was in trouble, Russian loan money helped bail him out"
I knew it! I knew it! I knew User:Conservative was a Russia hoaxer all along!
Lara Logan interview with Hans Mahncke, June 20, 2025: [20]
Lara Logan: So tell me this, What is it that people still don't know about the Russia conspiracy that you think is still the most relevant right now?
Mahncke: Overall I would say, the fact that everything was made up. Everything. Everything was made up I don't think has sunk in broadly enough. People might think, "Oh well, they made up this or that." No. They made up everything.
Conclusion: Not only is User:Conservative lacking in analytical skills, he is lacking in informational skills to discern truth from error, and relies on old liberal claptrap from the MSM in the back of mind to shape his views and thinking.
Oh, Mr. Informed, with 82 Senate sponsors, the Lady Lindsey-DaNang Dick bill will probably pass on a voice vote.
Then it gets kicked over to the House, where Republicans either have to stand up as Nazisymps, Russophobes and warmongers like yourself, or embrace reality. And I mean ALL Republicans need to embrace reality, cause there are enough fascist Democrats to pass the bill with a handful of Republicans.
Good job, pal. RobSZelensky Must Go! 00:55, June 9, 2025 (EDT)
I am glad Trump had some experience with Russian tough real estate loan negotiators. I am referring to his real estate loans from Russia when Western bankers would not give him loans during the crisis that his real estate empire went through. Because of this he was very adept in his tough negotiations with Putin who didn't dare invade Ukraine when he was in office. Donald Trump told Putin that if he attacked Ukraine, Trump would blow the dome right off over his head (Russian buildings often have domes atop them). Conservative (talk)
Still spamming the Russia hoax, huh? Don't post any links. I know exactly where they came from.

The function of interest rates

Additionally, it's fairly obvious Ken has no understanding of the function of interest rates and/or its effect on a currency.

November 2024. "It's best to continually change one's view of the world based on the fact that it is continually changing."
May 2025. A strong Ruble led to a 780% increase over the dollar. Net Opportunity cost loss: minus 780% loss based on ignorance, stubbornness, and stupidity.

See also Talk:Trump_effect#Strong_dollar_vs_weak_dollar.

Is the Russian ruble the world reserve currency or is the US dollar the world reserve currency? I rest my case. Conservative (talk) 00:31, June 9, 2025 (EDT)
How much of the dollar has been dumped as the world reserve currency since Russian sanctions began in 2014 with the Magnitsky Act? I rest my case.
The Russian ruble is way down from the start of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. And the Russian economy has a ratcheting upward risk of stagflation. Conservative (talk) 00:50, June 9, 2025 (EDT)
Wrong again, bucko. It rose to 57:1 at the start, and is now 78:1.
Since passage of the Magnitsky Act in 2014 after the Crimean Annexation, de-dollarization and dumping the US Dollar as the world's reserve currency has accellerated.

Most editors, when they've been exposed as a dimwit on a subject, have enough sense to stop talking.

U.S. Trade deal negotiations typically suppress the value of the dollar. But there are a raft of good trade deals going through the pipeline. Conservative (talk) 01:00, June 9, 2025 (EDT)
Call back someday when you get an education and have some idea what you're talking about.
I took courses in economics, courses in corporate finance and statistics courses. Have you? I doubt it! Conservative (talk) 01:54, June 9, 2025 (EDT)
You must've snoozed all the way through cause you don't know diddly.
One of your biggest flubs is right here: Trump_effect#Foreign_Exchange_U.S._dollar_index_hits_more_than_two-year_high_as_markets_brace_for_Trump_return.
It proves you don't even understand MAGAnomics. Trump wants a weak dollar to aid US exports. RobSZelensky Must Go! 02:06, June 9, 2025 (EDT)

"Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said the US continues to have a “strong dollar” policy under President Donald Trump.“The strong-dollar policy is completely intact with President Trump,” Bessent said in an interview with Bloomberg’s Saleha Mohsin Thursday. “We want the dollar to be strong. What we don’t want is other countries to weaken their currencies, to manipulate their trade.”"[21]

But Trump has also said he wants a "weaker dollar".

Maybe Trump wants the dollar between a certain range in value, but still strong relative to some other currencies. Conservative (talk) 02:19, June 10, 2025 (EDT)

Well duh. I guess that makes sense in your mind. RobSZelensky Must Go! 04:43, June 10, 2025 (EDT)
April 21 (Reuters) - If U.S. President Donald Trump wants a weaker dollar, threatening to fire Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell is a sure-fire way of getting it.
See, this is what happens when you open your mouth when you don't know what you're talking about. Most people would have enough sense to shut up, not double down. (out of pride). RobSZelensky Must Go! 04:52, June 10, 2025 (EDT)

China's Winning Card: US Seeks New Deal with China as Rare Earth Ban Hurts Key American Industry

"China has approved a limited number of rare earth exports following the phone conversation between US President Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping." [22] RobSZelensky Must Go! 23:41, June 8, 2025 (EDT)

The USA has trade deal cards to play too. Jarkarta Post, June 9, 2025: China's May exports slow, deflation deepens as tariffs bite. Conservative (talk) 08:52, June 9, 2025 (EDT)
When the Lady Lindsey-DaNang Dick bill is sitting on Trump's desk waiting for a signature, he'll have to make a decision: Does he want a trade deal with China or not (including rare earths). RobSZelensky Must Go! 09:28, June 9, 2025 (EDT)
China and the USA will probably work out something. The economies are intertwined and it will take a while for the USA to reshore more manufacturing. In addition, it will take a while for USA manufacturers to further derisk from China and find other suppliers.
China and the USA will probably peacefully coexist without a war happening due to Taiwan, but the terms of the coexistence are still being worked out. Conservative (talk) 09:43, June 9, 2025 (EDT)
Not if you and your Nazisymp pals pass the LadyLindsey-DaNangDick bill. RobSZelensky Must Go! 09:45, June 9, 2025 (EDT)
Rare Earth Issues Again in News

Bessent Demands China Obey U.S. Currency Rules As Beijing Sells-Off USD Assets For Gold.

This is de-dollarization - the high gold price. Central banks dump dollars to buy gold. The US Treasury has to offer higher interest rates to attract buyers for US debt. The high interest rates is the "strong dollar". IOWs, a "strong dollar" is good for oligarchs and tourists abroad, but bad for jobs, stocks and manufacturers. RobSZelensky Must Go! 12:33, June 9, 2025 (EDT)

The whole Trump-Musk controversy is based on these contradictions in the Big Beautiful Bill. The Big Beautiful Bill doesn't cut spending, which in turn keeps interest rates high which attracts lenders to fund the deficit, which maintains a "strong dollar", which hurts manufacturing employment, exports, and the MAGA agenda. RobSZelensky Must Go! 16:05, June 10, 2025 (EDT)

Update: So Trump evidently caved on a rare earths mineral deal with China (rare earths are vital to US manufacturing, like Tesla Motors & the chip industry). This is the second such compromise. Xi had him by the gonads. Now Trump must deal with the Lady Lindsey-DaNang Dick bill which threatens to upend both Trump's foreign policy and economic strategy. RobSZelensky Must Go! 20:41, June 11, 2025 (EDT)

US Military Needs China's Rare Earth + Trump’s Deal 'a Ceasefire, NOT a Peace Treaty'

Pres. Trump Did Not Invoke the "Insurrection Act" in Los Angeles -- But He Can Now.

Does anybody have a subscription with access to the full article?

In the meantime, here's some background reading from this AM's WaPo & NYT:

As I understand it, this is the first time since President Kennedy declared the State of Alabama was in open rebellion against the authority of the United States Government and placed the Alabama National Guard under federal control in 1963 that these federal executive powers have been exercised. RobSZelensky Must Go! 16:55, June 9, 2025 (EDT)

Newsom: "The order he signed doesn’t just apply to CA. It will allow him to go into ANY STATE and do the same thing." [23] RobSZelensky Must Go! 18:22, June 9, 2025 (EDT)

The Kiev regime has come up with a new scheme to get rid of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church clergy

they simply were not included in the list of people exempt from mobilization.

"This list includes many thousands of religious organizations (i.e. parishes, communities, monasteries, etc.) of practically all faiths, confessions, and jurisdictions. Except for one single one - the UOC. The communities of Jehovah's Witnesses or the Society for Krishna Consciousness are now officially recognized as 'critically important for the economy and life of the population of Ukraine', but only the parishes of the UOC are not. Now if you are a priest of the UOC, you have to choose: either to the OCU, or to the front" - UOC deacon Andrey Glushchenko. [24] RobSZelensky Must Go! 07:57, June 10, 2025 (EDT)

President Trump may endorse Marco Rubio as his successor instead of J.D. Vance.

As you are probably aware, President Trump has thus far declined to endorse J.D. Vance as his successor. In February, he said it was too early to make a decision.[25] And in May, he floated Marco Rubio as a possible successor alongside Vance.[26] And now, in the aftermath of Trump's public falling out with Elon Musk, people such as Sundance from The Conservative Treehouse are openly predicting that Trump will endorse Rubio instead of Vance.[27][28]

Should Trump decide to endorse Rubio, I would say it is unlikely that Vance would step aside and allow Rubio to run unopposed. After all, Vance and Rubio are on opposing sides of the ongoing internal foreign policy debate.[29] Rubio stands for a synthesis between Reaganite "peace through strength" and MAGA realism, while Vance is a hardliner who rejects such synthesis and his supporters dismiss it as a rebranded version of the neoconservatism Rubio has claimed to renounce. More specifically, Rubio supports pursuing interventionist policies against China and Iran, while simultaneously repairing relations with Russia in hopes that would lead to Russia abandoning its support for China and Iran. Vance and his supporters on the other hand oppose pursuing interventionist policies against China and Iran; they are also adamant that Russia's support for China and Iran is now virtually unconditional, and that any conflict with either China or Iran would inevitably lead to conflict with Russia no matter what Trump does.

Trump already may not trust Vance due to his ties to Musk and Big Tech in general. But that aside, he also likely doesn't trust Vance to put pragmatism over ideology like Rubio apparently has. And as Trumps himself grows increasingly hawkish out of frustration over the lack of progress he has made with Russia, he likely will grow increasingly intolerant of Vance's way of thinking, as it becomes tantamount to demanding that he take a loss. And as we know, Trump does not like to lose, even if such a loss would be a net benefit to the American people.--Geopolitician (talk) 13:27, June 10, 2025 (EDT)

It's a bit early to speculate. Vance is being trained for the position. He reads the Presidential Daily Brief (Trump doesn't) and then briefs Trump over lunch. Rubio may lack the "fire in his belly". Can't discount a Vance/Rubio ticket. Then there's the more left element in the Trump coalition - RFK Jr & Tulsi. What's going to happen to them? Also Vivek. Whatever, Trump won't endorse anybody during the primaries. It would only create disunity. RobSZelensky Must Go! 15:11, June 10, 2025 (EDT)
Given their differences concerning foreign policy, I think a Vance/Rubio or Rubio/Vance ticket is highly unlikely. Both would lose support from their bases if they decided to form a unity ticket, perhaps enough to influence the outcome of the election. As for the left element in the Trump coalition, they currently don't have a real contender among them, much less one who has been floated as a possible successor by Trump. My guess is that unless something major happens which results in his political career coming to a premature end, they will back Vance instead of running one of their own. And should he win the nomination one of them could become Vance's running mate to solidify this alliance while the neocon wing is shut out completely.--Geopolitician (talk) 19:38, June 10, 2025 (EDT)
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Sundance is focused on the Palantir/Peter Thiel angle. We need content on those aspects. Wanna do it? RobSZelensky Must Go! 15:20, June 10, 2025 (EDT)
If I have time, sure. While I personally have a more positive view of Vance than Sundance does, I do find his ties to Big Tech concerning. I welcome his orthodoxy toward America First ideology, but I wouldn't take such a candidate at the cost of expanding the security state at home.--Geopolitician (talk) 19:32, June 10, 2025 (EDT)
Not necessarily re Vance/Rubio issue per se... but, Which "America first", the pro Qatar-first one?Telling (talk) 21:32, June 10, 2025 (EDT)
Tell, Need a little more context to make something of this. RobSZelensky Must Go! 12:41, June 12, 2025 (EDT)


Update: The Daily Caller: How JD Vance Emerged Unscathed From Elon Musk’s West Wing Frenzy
Update: Sundance: The Duo Strike Again: Rubio Fires All Overseas USAID Staff – Gabbard Appears to Have Nabbed Another One.
Sundance is impressed with the job Marco is doing handling USAID (and Tulsi with the weaponization of intelligence). Only we are being duped. While gay operas & comic books in South America are being cut out, USAID & NED color revolution & regime change operations (far more expensive) are going underground. It's the same type of "reform" programs we saw after the Church Committee. RobSZelensky Must Go! 23:25, June 11, 2025 (EDT)

UPDATE: Now President Trump has publicly turned against Tucker Carlson, who along with Don Jr. personally persuaded Trump to pick Vance. The reason? Carlson publicly called out Trump's increasingly neocon foreign policy. It appears that Trump rejects the idea of "America First" being anything but what he makes it, and that at this point he will no longer tolerate demands that he strictly adhere to the principles laid out by previous slogan standardbearers such as his former political rival Pat Buchanan. Trump has even gone as far as falsely claiming to have coined the slogan himself (it was actually first invoked for a presidential campaign in 1916 and was being used for lower level campaigns as early as the 1850s).

This development is another blow to Vance's presidential aspirations. First he was made the face of a fringe movement to impeach Trump, and now he's been made the face of a wider movement to undermine Trump's self-proclaimed ideological authority. Either one of those events, on their own, would probably be enough to anger Trump to the point where he refuses to endorse Vance as his successor. But the latter event may well be serious enough to anger to Trump to the point where he regrets ever naming Vance as his running mate to begin with, and perhaps even tries to force him out of office so he could appoint a new Vice President midway through his term (as Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford did before him).--Geopolitician (talk) 23:40, June 15, 2025 (EDT)

I don't see where it hurts Vance, we've yet to hear from him. But it is a blow to the MAGA movement. First we had Rubio saying, "We had nothing to do with it" about Israel, then Trump says "I knew all along", then Israel says, "Yah, Trump helped set it up". The problem is, nobody in the diplomatic world is taking Trump seriously anymore. RobSZelensky Must Go! 00:54, June 16, 2025 (EDT)
Looks like Ron DeSantis is back in the running for 2028: DeSantis Makes Case to End Property Tax Nationwide. RobSZelensky Must Go! 05:10, July 7, 2025 (EDT)

US Secretary of State Rubio Publishes Russia Day Congratulations

June 12 is Russia Day, Russia's national holiday. [30]

“ On behalf of the American people, I want to congratulate the Russian people. The United States remains committed to supporting the Russian people in their quest for a brighter future. ”

He also expressed his readiness for constructive engagement with the Russian Federation to achieve lasting peace between Russia and Ukraine.

“ We hope that peace will contribute to strengthening mutually beneficial relations between our countries. ”

RobSZelensky Must Go! 01:30, June 12, 2025 (EDT)

something about online gambling

In our television age and with women now having the vote, "little Rubio" probably will not win the nomination. JD Vance is the front runner to be the next president according the election betting markets which have a good track record in terms of their predictive power.
On the other hand, political betting markets are like weather forecasts as far as the farther you are away from the event, the less predictive power they have. For example, the weather man has a better idea of the weather next week or next day than what the weather is going to be next month. And we are far away from the next election. Conservative (talk) 11:01, June 11, 2025 (EDT)
Your persistent references to online betting sources suggests that you don't understand a thing about policy questions, and turn to online gambling sources and random chance for direction. RobSZelensky Must Go! 12:48, June 12, 2025 (EDT)
Take it from Joe Granville [31]: "The crowd is always wrong".
See also The Wisdom of Crowds and Popular Delusions.
The proof is in the pudding. The political betting markets have had an excellent track record in terms of forecasting when it comes to presidential and other elections - especially the methodology used at electionbettingodds.com.[32] Conservative (talk) 09:22, June 14, 2025 (EDT)
You don't seem to understand gambling, either. The idea is to make a big kill, winning back multiples of what you place at risk, not winning back 47 or 53 cents on the dollar (less the House take) in a 50/50 race.
What are the betting odds between:
  • Ukraine winning the war
vs
RobSZelensky Must Go! 00:40, June 16, 2025 (EDT)
Update: Polymarket report that the chance of US military action against Iran before July is now at 99%. [33] So the intelligent, sophisticated, informed investors in Polymarket get to win their own money back, plus 1 cent on the dollar, less the House take. RobSZelensky Must Go! 21:29, June 21, 2025 (EDT)
The most obvious flaw in taking Polymarket seriously is, it is not based on "one-person-one-vote". A billionaire, say George Soros for example, can out bid the whole planet. 11:34, June 24, 2025 (EDT)
Polymarket has the odds of Fordow being destroyed before July at 43%, even though the facility was already bombed — indicating that 'big money' doesn't trust the American assessment that Fordow was actually destroyed. [34] RobSZelensky Must Go! 08:56, June 26, 2025 (EDT)

His name is Alejandro Orellana

Alejandro Orellana[35], a member of the Brown Berets, has been identified as the man who distributed thousands of dollars' worth of face shields to rioters in Los Angeles. The Latino paramilitary group is pushing for a communist revolution in the US. [36]Telling (talk) 11:10, June 11, 2025 (EDT)

Who Is Funding The L.A. Riots-And Why? We need a 2025 Migration riots or some such title article. RobSZelensky Must Go! 19:03, June 11, 2025 (EDT)

Update: Orellana arrested this morning. [37] RobSZelensky Must Go! 16:07, June 12, 2025 (EDT)

National Security Journal: Russia Has Won the Ukraine War and ‘Defeated’ NATO

Prof. Andrew Latham: "The Ukraine War Is Over – Russia Just Hasn’t Declared Victory Yet". [38] RobSZelensky Must Go! 18:58, June 11, 2025 (EDT)

The idea that Russia might still lose the war in Ukraine has become a kind of security blanket for Western elites – a comforting illusion clutched in think tanks, editorial pages, and official briefings long after the battlefield realities have changed.

We are now well past the phase where optimism could be excused as ignorance.

The facts are in. Ukraine is exhausted. The West is demoralized. And Russia, despite its many internal challenges, is grinding toward its war aims with brutal consistency.

Let’s be clear: if by “lose” we mean military defeat on the battlefield, collapse of the Russian economy, or regime implosion in Moscow, then no – Russia is not going to lose.

Not this year, and not under the current trajectory. All the major structural forces – military, economic, political—are now moving in Russia’s favor.

The war is not over, but the outcome is no longer up for grabs.

This is nonsense. Russia's economy has high inflation and it is slowing down and could go into stagflation which could seize up the Russian war machine. Putin could be assassinated tomorrow (or die tomorrow) and Russia could descend into a big, divisive power struggle that breaks apart the country. Also, Russia has had three civil wars in the last 100 years.[39]
Wars are unpredictable. Conservative (talk) 22:48, June 11, 2025 (EDT)
Tell it to the professor. RobSZelensky Must Go! 22:51, June 11, 2025 (EDT)
I love this line: "We are now well past the phase where optimism could be excused as ignorance." True.
Now we hear objections about the "slow advance" of Russian forces under their strategic decision to use attrition warfare to attrite NATO and the West. As explained above about the withdrawal of armor by all militaries due to their vulnerability in drone warfare, another factor is in play: Once the enemy is destroyed on the battlefield by glide bombs, etc., the ground has to be cleared of landmines, a tedious process. Particularly since the US/NATO/Ukraine spent 8 years from the 2014 Maidan coup until the 2022 special military operation prepping battlefield fortresses and defensive structures with the extensive use of landmines.
So, here's the conundrum Trump put himself in when he failed to keep his promise on January 20, 2025 and get out of Ukraine just as Steve Bannon predicted: missiles for Israel means less missiles for Zelensky. And those missiles, as Netanyahu said, will be used to destroy Iran's oil rigs. And the loss of Iranian oil means a spike in oil prices (for years). And a spike in oil prices aids Russia's economy, warfighting ability, and puts to shame (once again) all the liberal claptrap User:Conservative has spammed into Conservapedia. RobSZelensky Must Go! 16:00, June 13, 2025 (EDT)

EU-China trade fight heats up.[40]

This headline is misleading. China seeks a replacement for its losses in the US consumer market, and the EU also seeks a replacement for its export market due to US tariffs. The relationship should be more characterized as common interests than a "fight". RobSZelensky Must Go! 23:42, June 11, 2025 (EDT)

The article admits as much:
The announcement came as Brussels and Beijing are seeking to stabilise relations despite years of friction, exacerbated by US president’s trade war against China and a shifting global order. A crucial milestone in this process will be the EU-China summit, now confirmed for the second half of July 2025 in Beijing.
IOWs, they are more likely to reach accommodation rather than "a fight". I am going to remove that portion of the liberal warmongering claptrap from the entry. RobSZelensky Must Go! 23:56, June 11, 2025 (EDT)

Russian public opinion: the Levada Center

The Moscow-based Western-funded polling organization Levada Center:

“ Russians do not consider the United States as the most unfriendly country anymore, and the title now goes to Germany...The United States lost the top spot for the first time in 13 years [since the Obama/Biden regime ], dropping to fourth place in the poll...Attitudes towards America shifted with the return of President Donald Trump. [41] ”

RobSZelensky Must Go! 11:23, June 12, 2025 (EDT)

For the first time in nearly 20 years — IAEA has declared Iran in non-compliance with its nuclear safeguards

"19 voted in favor, 3 against (Burkina Faso, China, Russia)

11 abstained

Iran, for its part, has accused the IAEA of being infiltrated with Mossad agents - information on the names and homes of Iranian nuclear scientists was leaked from the IAEA, Iran claims, to Israel - leading to some of the assassinations of scientists and sabotage at facilities." [42]

RobSZelensky Must Go! 12:39, June 12, 2025 (EDT)

Maritime Security Alert

According to a classified Joint Maritime Information Center (JMIC) advisory obtained via open-source intel:

Israel has issued an ultimatum to both the U.S. and Iran: A nuclear deal must be reached by Sunday, or Israel may initiate military action against Iran.

Area of Concern: Arabian Gulf, Strait of Hormuz, Northern Arabian Sea Threat Level: Elevated

A short “operational pause” is in effect to allow diplomacy—until Sunday. [43]

uhm, never mind.
Iranian State TV confirms the deaths of IRGC Chief-of-Staff Hossein Salami, General Gholam-Ali Rashid, and nuclear scientists Dr. Mohammad Mehdi Tehranchi and Dr. Fereydoon Abbasi.

Strait of Hormuz

THAAD interception

Exoatmospheric interceptions take place above Israel. [45] THAADs are the most powerful and expensive Reagan era star wars technology. There is only a very limited number of them ever built because of the cost (per WP $12.5 million per missile). This is the fourth time they have been combat tested. The first was last year, again over Israel. Per Wikipedia, its success rate in combat now rises to 50% (2 kills in 4 attempts). [46]

There are similarities to the Oreshnik, although both were built for different purposes. Trump's Golden Dome essentially is a proposal to blanket the continental Unites States with an upgraded version of THAAD at a cost $175 Billion (about half of what has been spent already in Ukraine) by the year 2050. Critics say the plan is unworkable. RobSZelensky Must Go! 22:46, June 13, 2025 (EDT)

Bruegel Institute

Sponsored by the Gates Foundation & Open Societies. And other climate hucksters. RobSZelensky Must Go! 01:41, June 14, 2025 (EDT)

First, genetic fallacy. Also, does China have a property crisis, a very large amount of national/local government debt (Like over 300% of its GNP), high youth unemployment, deflation, and other serious economic problems? Conservative (talk) 01:47, June 14, 2025 (EDT)
Does User:Conservative have any idea to how to properly qualify sources and information?
We're being counterproductive here with User:Conservative's relentless spamming anti-Trump, anti-conservative neocon and globalist liberal claptrap. All in a vain and narcissistic effort to look "intellectual". RobSZelensky Must Go!
I even looked further into another one of your sources, PRISMA, sponsored by the European Union. I don't have time go into that entity or outfit, and it would be a waste of time anyway discussing it with you. RobSZelensky Must Go! 01:55, June 14, 2025 (EDT)
By the way, the USA won the US-China trade war very bigly because it had the best cards! "Trump said that the U.S. would get "a total of 55% tariffs" with China's tariffs set at 10%. Trump added, "Full magnets and any necessary rare earths, will be supplied, up front, by China. Likewise, we will provide to China what was agreed to, including Chinese students using our colleges and universities (which has always been good with me!).'"[47]
Celebration. It's a celebration. Let's all celebrate and have a good time. Come on! It's a celebration. Celebrate good times. - Kool and the Gang, 1980.Conservative (talk) 01:56, June 14, 2025 (EDT)
Bottomline: Trump wants a workable trade relationship with China, not a shooting war or Sinophobia. If Trump "won" a trade war with China, it was against multinational corporations on Wall Street and international investors, not the CCP. RobSZelensky Must Go! 02:10, June 14, 2025 (EDT)
Again, your problem is not seeing the forest from the trees in international relations. Trump advocated for resolving trade disagreements and unfairness, but you sign on with warmongers and Sinophobic bigots to push war, death, and destruction (actually, the exact opposite of Trump's program). RobSZelensky Must Go! 02:17, June 14, 2025 (EDT)
It is a more workable trading relationship. At the same time, the USA had more leverage going into the trade negotiations. Conservative (talk) 02:52, June 14, 2025 (EDT)
Of course. The leverage is access to a consumer market of 330,000,000 people. That's why I removed your link the other day about Europe & China involved in some sort of trade "fight". As soon as Trump announced universal tariffs, Ursula von der Leyen & the EU presented themselves, all 450,000,000 million of them, to China as a replacement for China's biggest export market.
Actually, as a news writer, you should be attentive to terminology like "trade war" in today's environment. Too many warmongers out there and it's easy to be misinterpreted. I prefer terms like "trade dispute" or some such. RobSZelensky Must Go! 15:12, June 14, 2025 (EDT)

Assessment: Israel - Iran War

by Wolfgang Pusztai of the Middle East Institute. RobSZelensky Must Go! 15:18, June 14, 2025 (EDT)

Iron Dome not up to the task. Israel taking a beating.

A Skeptic: Situation Reports Part 5 - 2025-06-14 RobSZelensky Must Go! 16:31, June 14, 2025 (EDT)

Unconfirmed: Direct hit on Rafael Advanced Defense Systems Building, manufacturer of Iron Dome. [48]

Reports: US ships and bases picking up interceptions where Israeli missile defense is failing.


Iran (just like "palestinians") targets civilians. Out of so many, some get through. 4 dead including 2 elderly. 150 wounded so far.Telling (talk) 18:19, June 14, 2025 (EDT)
We had reports of 78 killed in Iran and 329 the first night (you know, when everybody was cheering). These body counts are always dubious from whichever side.
MoA: Lies Used To Justify War On Iraq Get Reused To Wage War On Iran
March 25, 2025: DNI Tulsi Gabbard delivers Intelligence Community assessment in sworn testimony to Congress:
"The IC continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and Supreme leader Khomeini has not authorized the nuclear weapons program that he suspended in 2003."
The attack just looks like another regime change operation. Let's just hope it doesn't turn out like Libya, Syria, or Ukraine. RobSZelensky Must Go! 22:19, June 14, 2025 (EDT)
Politico senior editor: "Yeah, I'll say it...Regime change....It’s a phrase that normally sends shudders through a Washington and a Middle East chastened by the U.S. experiences in Iraq and Afghanistan...It's a concept that has long left President Donald Trump extremely wary". [49]
RobSZelensky Must Go! 11:17, June 15, 2025 (EDT)

Korybko: Five Questions Surrounding Israel's Unprecedented Strikes On Iran

1. To What Extent Did The US Assist Israel?

2. What Will The Scale & Scope Of Iran’s Retaliation Look Like?

3. Will Trump Resist Mission Creep?

4. Why Couldn’t Iran Better Defend Itself?

5. What Comes Next If A Major Regional War Is Somehow Avoided?

RobSZelensky Must Go! 09:51, June 15, 2025 (EDT)

Communist Party of Iran calls for mass uprising against Iran's religious leaders

Another example of de-desecularization . RobSZelensky Must Go! 15:09, June 15, 2025 (EDT)

Update: Looks like the situation is seriously escalating

Who still thinks Iran is a Third World power? In fact, who still thinks any Second World power isn't capable of modern warfare or ready to bend over and grab its ankles on command? RobSZelensky Must Go! 18:43, June 15, 2025 (EDT)

Translation: Rising natural gas, utility & electric prices worldwide.
As User:Conservative is fond of saying, "military power is built on economic power". It was Iran's economic power that built its ballistic missiles. The cost of rebuilding (for utility consumers worldwide) could be staggering. And a full assessment everywhere hasn't been made yet after only 72 hours. RobSZelensky Must Go! 22:30, June 15, 2025 (EDT)
  • U.S. withdrawing the Nimitz Supercarrier from the Western Pacific to the Middle East.
  • 2.5 magnitude earthquake recorded near Iran's Fordow nuclear site. (There were unconfirmed rumors and denials weeks ago of an below ground nuclear test).
  • Approx 30 USAF Tankers are now Airborne.
In the US, a mass takeoff of 19 KC-135R/T Stratotanker and 4 KC-46A Pegasus tanker aircraft towards Europe was recorded from several major air bases (including McConnell, Beale and Scott, where the US Air Mobility Command headquarters is located). Such volumes and density of traffic do not occur during routine missions. This is an operational deployment of a logistics echelon, without which a large-scale long-range operation by US or coalition aviation is impossible . In Europe, the aircraft will refuel and then, likely, go to US bases in the Middle East.

Although there are no official statements, the direction of movement and the nature of the platforms involved clearly indicate that the US is preparing fuel infrastructure for the deployment of the main forces.

Such a step is necessary if it is planned to use strategic aviation (B-1B, B-52 or B-2) or large numbers of conventional operational-tactical aviation that require in-flight refueling when performing missions in the Middle East theater.

This may be a direct response to Israel's reported request for military support to strike the Fordow site, which Israeli aircraft physically cannot hit without US assistance, and Israel's declining ability to intercept Iranian missiles on its own.

At the same time, Pakistan is coming into the spotlight, allegedly having begun transferring non-nuclear weapons across the land border to Iran and secretly handing them over to the IRGC. There is no reliable confirmation of this information yet, but the very fact that such reports have appeared is an important signal that regional powers are beginning to determine their positions, and that the very “local” conflict between Israel and Iran may acquire a multipolar character. Pakistan is a nuclear power with a wide network of contacts in the Shiite structures of the region, and even its limited participation is capable of changing the configuration of threats.

The Fordow site. Note: the ISIS source is not the Islamic State. It is rather its neocon cousin the Institute for Science and International Security.
  • Question: Is hitting a state-run TV station (and killing 18 people) a "legitimate military target"?
  • Gen Michael Flynn: "We have to let Israel finish the job, which will allow the U.S. to fully focus on the CCP."
That explains why Trump went along with the war. RobSZelensky Must Go! 12:28, June 16, 2025 (EDT)
"Israeli officials say they need at least two weeks to degrade Iran’s nuclear and missile capabilities. That means the struggle ahead is a test of staying power for both countries. Yet even then Israel may need America to deliver a knockout blow to Iran’s deeply buried nuclear sites. For Israel, the coming days are all about momentum."
Not only does the US Bunker Buster lack penetration depth, Prof. Postol demonstrated with diagrams how bunker designs have been reengineered to deflect the direction of a penetrating shell, not to mention how multiple adjacent tunnels and rooms are stove piped off the known entry point.
Prof Postol: Doubtful if US 30,000 lb. MOAB can penetrate Iranian bunkers to destroy centrifuges.
Makes sense. Since the attacks on Fordow are expected to be doomed to fail and are only now being used as an excuse or cover, the mission of regime change comes to light.
  • IAEA Director General Rafael Grossi: Israel’s airstrike on Iran’s Natanz facility may have caused severe or total damage to centrifuges due to a power outage. The sudden loss of electricity could have affected the facility’s core areas and up to 15,000 centrifuges. [51]
  • Report: British Royal Air Force refueling aircraft are once again airborne, heading toward Jordanian airspace for the second time today. These RAF tankers are refueling Israeli fighter jets as they strike targets inside Iran and intercept multiple projectiles fired toward Israel, including drones, cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles. [52]
Her resignation now would not be a good sign.
When the US officially joins the war, Tulsi should do the honorable thing and resign in protest. Otherwise her future job prospects are as housekeeper or waitress at Trump Hotels. RobSZelensky Must Go! 15:22, June 18, 2025 (EDT)
  • Iran still has not got the drone problem solved. Israeli drones, which mostly are produced in Iran, fly over and do reconnaissance for mission command in Israel. [53][54]
  • Full spectrum warfare: television hacked urging people to take to the streets; Khamenei social media hacked, messages sent out with malware. RobSZelensky Must Go! 14:44, June 18, 2025 (EDT)
  • There is no evidence that Israel controls Iran's airspace.
Basically, it's a $30 Billion bribe in an attempt to draw Iran away from Russia & China. Not likely to work. Although Iran may be willing to play along in an effort to scam the US out some money.
OTOH, we now have a price tag on the opening bid for the US to continue the war on BRICS. RobSZelensky Must Go! 18:57, June 26, 2025 (EDT)
P.S. The Republican Senate just approved dispensing marijuana by the Veterans Administration. [58]

Article: Ukraine’s ‘Spider Web’ vs Israel’s ‘Rising Lion’: Israel Proves Once Again That It Is The ‘Master Of Deception’

Ukraine’s ‘Spider Web’ vs Israel’s ‘Rising Lion’: Israel Proves Once Again That It Is The ‘Master Of Deception’.

...several fabricated stories about differences between Trump and Netanyahu were deliberately leaked to the media to give the impression that the US and Israel were not on the same page on the issue of striking Iranian nuclear sites...

The operation was a spectacular success for the IDF and Mossad. Nearly 100 high-value sites were targeted within Iran, employing 200 fighter jets and without the loss of a single aircraft.

Mossad has many legendary operations to its name. However, operation ‘Rising Lion’ was special even according to Mossad standards.

Telling (talk) 18:17, June 14, 2025 (EDT)

This has backfired bigtime on Trump. Putin & Xi will never trust him. RobSZelensky Must Go! 22:21, June 14, 2025 (EDT)
Amb Chas Freeman argues Washington has thrown away much of its credibility with the attack on Iran, and the collapse of trust for the deceit will have wide consequences.
Peter Hansler: Diplomacy on his deathbed – from Peace President to Warmonger
"The US’s involvement in the attacks on Russia and Iran makes a negotiated solution to these conflicts unlikely. Trump, who promised his people peace, is bringing war."
Hansler is a Swiss-born lawyer working in Moscow. RobSZelensky Must Go! 09:57, June 15, 2025 (EDT)
The US & Israel have set precedents now with asymmetrical warfare. It is fair game now for any enemy to smuggle drones, soon to be equipped with AI facial recognition, into an opposing belligerent's country to carryout terrorist attacks. Turnabout is fair play. Being that negotiated settlements in either the Ukraine or Iran conflicts are not likely anytime soon, this doesn't bode well for citizens, civilian infrastructure, or leaders in the United States for the foreseeable future. Be careful what you wish for. RobSZelensky Must Go! 15:42, June 18, 2025 (EDT)

So far, Iran targeted residential buildings...

These are the sources for Israel related.

https://jns.org (conservative)

https://www.israelnationalnews.com (conservative)

https://www.algemeiner.com (conservative)

https://www.jfeed.com (conservative)

https://www.jpost.com (mainstream)

https://www.i24news.tv/en (mainstream)

https://www.ynetnews.com (center-left)Telling (talk) 22:43, June 14, 2025 (EDT)

IMO, it was an act of negligence on the part of the Israeli government to expose the civilian population to attacks knowing that Iron Dome cannot stop hypersonics. RobSZelensky Must Go! 22:49, June 14, 2025 (EDT)
What did they expect when Israel led with a decapitation strike against Iranian leadership? Iran to roll over and play dead? RobSZelensky Must Go! 22:53, June 14, 2025 (EDT)
Israel sees Iranian nukes as a matter of survival. Priorities. Telling (talk) 06:11, June 15, 2025 (EDT)
Tulsi says it's liberal claptrap. RobSZelensky Must Go! 10:27, June 15, 2025 (EDT)


Israel, with help from the West, hit Iran with a cyberattack early Friday morning (Tehran time) that disabled Iran’s air-defense system. Israel and the West anticipated this would disable Iran’s ability to track and attack inbound missiles for several days. According to Pepe, Iranian technicians got the system up and running in ten hours.

The Potemkin Village propaganda generated by Israel and spread by Western media is coming apart at the seams. While many in the West still believe that Israel has struck a fatal blow on Iran and that Iran is just days away from a collapse, the Iranian missile force is alive and well and bombing the sh*t out of Israel. [59]

Typical Western cockiness. RobSZelensky Must Go!

I listen to Iranian reports too. So I have both sides (though, for obvious reason I won't link them on CP) feedback and a clear picture. In fact, IDF helped to disable 1,000 missiles, but there are still at least 2k left there. Let Iran use them all...it's quite pathetic / primitive desperate Iranians just scattering all over tiny Israel, without any strategy.

Meantime, the Israeli side, careful to minimize civilian casualties issues evacuation [60].Telling (talk)

The cyberattack on Teheran's missile defense only delayed Iran's retaliation a few hours (not days as anticipated), Nevertheless, the fact remains the Israeli government deliberately exposed the people of Israel to retaliatory attacks with their provocations. RobSZelensky Must Go! 10:31, June 15, 2025 (EDT)
The necessary operation is a serious defense, not a "provocation." Israelis have been under attack by Iran proxies for decades.LaMarina (talk) 00:47, June 16, 2025 (EDT)
Okay, there's no disagreement there. But the fact remains, the Israeli government deliberately exposed its people to retaliatory attacks, knowing Iranian capabilities (either that or sheer incompetence and negligence).
Possession of a nuclear weapon or ballistic missile doesn't necessarily mean you're going to use it. It's called deterrence. Proxy forces is an entirely different matter. RobSZelensky Must Go! 01:15, June 16, 2025 (EDT)


CNN: Israel "underestimated" Iran's ability to retaliate after its military leadership was eliminated. Yah right. It's not like people haven't been sayin' for the past year, "Don't do it". RobSZelensky Must Go! 03:09, June 16, 2025 (EDT)

No offense, but Who is the "analyst" CNN quotes 6.15.25 to claim "Israel underestimated?" Islamic Republic - 'Tehran’s Best Friend in Washington' Trita Parsi. "an analyst told CNN." CNN, June 15, 2025. He is an Iranian Regime LOBBYIST. CAMERA Special Report: The National Iranian American Council; Tehran’s Best Friend in Washington. By: Sean Durns November 24, 2015 [61] Actually, the burial society in Israel was told on June 13 to prepare for larger amount of casualties in the 100s onnthe first day. By now, the third day, the toll is 24. As 80% are shut down.Telling (talk) 11:15, June 16, 2025 (EDT)

Yes, he is Iranian born. However, I don't believe there is evidence, or enough evidence, to say he is a "lobbyist", paid lobbyist, or agent of a foreign power. Seems like hype. RobSZelensky Must Go! 12:09, June 16, 2025 (EDT)

Trump: Regardless of Israel, Iran can’t have nukes. “For those people who say they want peace, you can’t have peace if Iran has a nuclear weapon"

Trump: Regardless of Israel, Iran can’t have nukes. “For those people who say they want peace, you can’t have peace if Iran has a nuclear weapon," said the U.S. president. U.S. President Donald Trump dismissed allegations that his support for Israel in its war against Iran was at odds with his “America First” commitment, stating that preventing Tehran from obtaining nuclear arms was a top U.S. priority. “Iran cannot have a nuclear bomb, very simple. Regardless—Israel or not Israel—Iran cannot have a nuclear bomb,” Trump told The Atlantic for an interview published on Saturday. link.LaMarina (talk) 00:47, June 16, 2025 (EDT)

Refreshing clarity in the WH.Telling (talk) 02:51, June 16, 2025 (EDT)
It may be true, whatever. But it's splintered the MAGA movement. RobSZelensky Must Go! 10:49, June 16, 2025 (EDT)

Digression

Not to stray from the point: Obama/Biden/Hillary foreign policy regarding Gaddafi & Libya taught the planet the necessity of having nuclear weapons for deterrence. There's no going back or undoing that now. RobSZelensky Must Go! 10:53, June 16, 2025 (EDT)

You are making a great point. But as far as Iran is concerned, they searched for nuke weapon in 1991, the same year they began the annihilation threats Telling (talk) 11:18, June 16, 2025 (EDT)

Public condemnation, secretly welcome: the Arab neighbors response to op. against Iran

The Arab condemnation for attack in Iran is an automatic response that hides the truth: the Gulf and Jordan states want to see the Iranian nuclear project is destroyed, but cannot admit it publicly for fear of their image in the Arab world and the local street • Israel should not worry about it - if you complete the task • and: Iran's weakness can lead to a change. Prof. Eli Podeh | N12 | Posted 14.06.25 |

Russian researcher, Ivan Pavlov, wrote about the tendency of people and animals to respond automatically to external stimuli. This phenomenon, which has become a familiar concept in psychology - "Pavlovian response" - is suitable for describing the Arab response to the Iranian nuclear facility attack by Israel.

Almost all Arab states who are signed by peace or normalization with Israel, or those who have behind the scenes, have published condemnation, almost uniformity, against the attack; Again, the phenomenon is back, that there is no coordinator between their auction and the secret.... Therefore, although it is still too early to determine the exact scope of Arab aid to Israel, there are indications that Israel operated over the airspace of Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Syria – the latter apparently without its knowledge or consent; Jordanian aircraft intercepted Iranian drones over Jordanian territory. It can also be assumed that the regional air defense system established after the signing of the Abraham Accords and the inclusion of Israel in the American "Central Command" – the so-called Middle East Air Defense – operated to intercept Iranian drones, similar to its activity in Iran's two previous attacks. Mako

That's odd; 10 years ago, before Trump, Arab & Sunni Muslims were slitting Shia Muslim's throats and burning them alive with US-taxpayer backing and funding.
Most Americans don't understand the role of Shia Islam in the broader context of the Muslim world. They just lump them all together in ignorance and fear - which media psyops exploit.
Nor do they understand the dual role of Khamenei as both head of state and the pope of Shia Islam globally. RobSZelensky Must Go! 22:22, June 18, 2025 (EDT)

Another fake news by Barak Ravid?

Ellie Cohanim @EllieCohanim Israel’s NSC Director says Barak Ravid’s “reporting” is Fake News! Remember Ravid got honored by the Biden Administration. Who are his “American sources” & why are they ALWAYS ANONYMOUS?? Quote Barak Ravid @BarakRavid · 4h 🚨🚨🚨A U.S. Official told me: "Since the operation commenced the Isrealis had an opportunity to kill the Supreme Leader. We communicated to the Israelis that President Trump is opposed to that. The Iranians haven't killed an American and discussion of killing political leaders x.com/BarakRavid/sta… Jun 15, 2025 [62]Telling (talk) 17:58, June 15, 2025 (EDT)

Personally, I don't understand what political assassinations are supposed to accomplish, beginning with Qassem Soleimani (other than revenge killings). It hasn't prevented any of this. In fact, the fact Iran is so quick to confirm these deaths (unlike other nations and states) serves Iranian propaganda as these guys are martyrs and calls for recruitment and revenge. RobSZelensky Must Go! 18:10, June 15, 2025 (EDT)
Qassam was not "political" but strategic military threat, so was Mr. Salami eliminated on June 13. Ravid is a liberal and with an agenda, so one should take his scoops with suspicion.LaMarina (talk) 21:25, June 15, 2025 (EDT)
In a non-democratic military state, the military is political. RobSZelensky Must Go! 01:01, June 16, 2025 (EDT)
See [63] why Israel refrained from taking Khamaeni out. Which is logical and to the point, goal.Telling (talk) 02:50, June 16, 2025 (EDT)
I wonder how this effort to bring back the monarchy sits with the "No Kings" movement? [64] RobSZelensky Must Go! 19:56, June 17, 2025 (EDT)

Exclusive: Putin's warning to Iran after Trump call.

Didn't see this one coming. Exclusive: Putin's warning to Iran after Trump call. Putin, being told by Trump he won't impose restrain on Israel, warned Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, stating that his regime is in danger. [65]LaMarina (talk) 21:27, June 15, 2025 (EDT)

WarFrontWitness: "It is possible that the US "agreed" with Iran not to intervene as long as the strait of Hormuz is kept open. Both US intervention and a blockade of the Persian Gulf would be catastrophic for Iran and the global economy respectively." Putin evidently is serving as direct intermediary. [66] RobSZelensky Must Go! 21:43, June 15, 2025 (EDT)
Putin has no reason to serve as an intermediary. Only as a co-belligerent against Israel. Netanyahu is just as much of a snake as Zelensky, if not moreso. --Geopolitician (talk) 22:01, June 15, 2025 (EDT)
Head of snake is Mullahcracy.LaMarina (talk) 00:41, June 16, 2025 (EDT)
Putin has been carrying messages back and forth for some time now. He helped get the US-Iran negotiations started. The problem with this morning's statement is, the US was no more of a mediator in the Russia-Ukraine talks either, being a co-belligerent. These statements are for the gullible. RobSZelensky Must Go! 00:59, June 16, 2025 (EDT)
No shortage for gullibles...Telling (talk) 02:48, June 16, 2025 (EDT)

Islamic fascist Republic real Genocide threats since 1991

Islamic fascist Republic real Genocide threats since 1991

  • Karmon, Ely. Iran's Strategic Penetration of Latin America. Lexington Books, 2014, p. 15.

Mohsen Rabbani, who in 1991 stood before a group of Shi'ite Muslims and radical right-wing Argentine activists and stated openly, “Israel must disappear from the face of the Earth,” to universal applause.

Google Books](https://books.google.com/books?id=oqDYBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA15).

Coinciding with seeking nuclear weapons: REPORT SAYS IRAN SEEKS ATOMIC ARMS. By Elaine Sciolino. Oct. 31, 1991 https://www.nytimes.com/1991/10/31/world/report-says-iran-seeks-atomic-arms.html

  • Wilkinson, Tracy. "COLUMN ONE: Hezbollah: The Latin Connection." Los Angeles Times, August 4, 1994.

The embassy's cultural affairs officer, Imam Mohsen Rabbani, rose. "Israel," he intoned in accented Spanish, "must disappear from the face of the Earth." He and a dozen speakers who followed quoted Iran's late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini and called for unity in the fight against Zionism and the satanism of the West

[ ([67](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-08-04-mn-23412-story.html)).

  • "Iran's Rafsanjani Suggests Nuclear Attack on Israel." World Tribune, December 17, 2001. [Archived Link]([68]).
Islamic fascist Republic of Iran threatens to wipe off map


  • "Top Commander Reiterates Iran's Commitment to Full Annihilation of Israel." FARS News Agency, May 20, 2012. [Archived Link]([72]).

Telling (talk) 07:23, June 16, 2025 (EDT)

More and more we see the real objective is regime change, not denuclearization. Regime change could lead possibly to some form of denuclearization, however evidence suggests direct strikes on Iran's nuclear sites, even by the US with the MOAB bunker buster, won't work.
Apparently, we're in for a long war with a Chinese ally who produces 4% of global oil output and provides 80% of its output to China.
It's doubtful China will cow to US demands. RobSZelensky Must Go! 15:51, June 17, 2025 (EDT)
Not mutually exclusive. The regime could have saved itself and not play with Trump like a fool. Why do they need a nuclear bomb? Telling (talk) 17:52, June 17, 2025 (EDT)
Why do they need a nuclear bomb? The same reason Kim jong-un & Col. Gaddafi did - deterrence.
Unfortunately, Hillary's War created a whole new world for us. RobSZelensky Must Go! 18:41, June 17, 2025 (EDT)
Re: Ayatollah Khomenei' "Great Satan" remark: Sure, that was over the top. But that was in 1980. Now that the United States has made LGBT & Transgender rights a matter of human rights and policy for export with State Department blacklists and economic sanctions, what would be appropriate and fitting language? RobSZelensky Must Go! 23:10, June 20, 2025 (EDT)

Israel Takes Control of Iran’s Skies—a Feat That Still Eludes Russia in Ukraine. Power mismatch in Israel-Iran war shows importance of air superiority.

Within 48 hours of starting its war on Iran, Israel said it gained air superiority over the western part of the country, including Tehran. Israeli warplanes began dropping bombs from within Iranian skies instead of relying on expensive long-range missiles. That is a feat that the giant Russian air force has been unable to achieve in Ukraine in 3½ years of war. This setback is one of the reasons why Moscow’s troops have been bogged down in grinding trench warfare, sustaining staggering losses, ever since they failed to rapidly seize Ukraine’s capital, Kyiv, in February 2022.LaMarina (talk) 10:37, June 16, 2025 (EDT)

War propaganda. RobSZelensky Must Go! 10:43, June 16, 2025 (EDT)
WSJ, Bloomberg, CNN, and Anadolu Ajansı indicate that Iran launched 370 ballistic missiles towards Israel, with 30 reaching their targets.
There are all sorts of ambiguities in this claim: Did 340 ballistic missiles hit civilian targets or were they intercepted? Of the 30, does that refer to Ministry of Defense, Rafael Advanced Defense Systems, Weizmann Institute and other strategic targets? Are civilians considered "targets" in this claim of only 30 hitting their "targets", etc.
And we haven't discussed the actual number of MIRVs, either.
Then we can turn to the emotional aspect. Like Ukraine, if Israel is being so successful, why does it need help? RobSZelensky Must Go! 11:33, June 16, 2025 (EDT)
And this claim, "Moscow’s troops have been bogged down in grinding trench warfare, sustaining staggering losses, ever since they failed to rapidly seize Ukraine’s capital, Kyiv, in February 2022" is total BS. But that discussion is for another time and place. RobSZelensky Must Go! 11:54, June 16, 2025 (EDT)
Okay, Bellum Acte reports: "Israeli Hermes reconnaissance drone operating over Tehran, capital of Iran. Israel has established full air superiority from western Iran to the capital Tehran and beyond." - from the capital & beyond means the suburbs. Fordow is in eastern Iran, which is why the Nimitz supercarrier and others are being called in for support. [96]
The plan evidently is to turn Teheran "into Beirut" or Gaza, is why Israel is calling for civilians to evacuate Teheran. RobSZelensky Must Go! 13:42, June 16, 2025 (EDT)
Report: Teheran air defense back up and running. RobSZelensky Must Go! 15:23, June 16, 2025 (EDT)
350 hit Israel. Not "targets", because the Mullah regime doesn't target specific locations. Just showering all over the place see map. Anadolu and TRT are mouthpiece of Erdogan. Nice to see Israel cares about civilians. Unlike Gaza or Tehran regimes. Trump [97] also told them to flee. Maybe Mullahs still have some last chances choices to make.

Iran State media hit (nice clip) by IDF while mullahs seeks ceasefire Reuters. Meantime: 4th day on the job.. LOL Israel kills new Iranian military chiefLaMarina (talk) 06:31, June 17, 2025 (EDT)

Trump now claims the US air superiority over Iran, [98] which of course means US direct involvement. It further refutes Israel's earlier claim.
Both claims of Isreal and the US are dubious. Yes, Israel has knocked out some S-300s, but there is no reporting of S-400, S-500 or S-550s being fired.
There are reports this morning of Israel violating Turkish airspace, which may be a test of the S-400 to try to learn more about it.
Whatever, the whole charade seems to be Trump & the US still trying to play world policeman. We'll see how the world reacts. RobSZelensky Must Go! 14:46, June 17, 2025 (EDT)
Actually Turkey isn't the only space the cool zionists "violated," with permission of the local authorities. Regardless of what their cosmetic public statements might be.Telling (talk) 18:27, June 17, 2025 (EDT)

Update: Another Israeli interceptor missile malfunctions and scores an own goal.

Historical note: This is what caused Kyiv regime chief propagandist Alexei Arestovich's firing - when he told the truth about Ukraine missile defense misfiring and hitting an residential apartment complex rather than the "Russia targeting civilians" narrative. Arestovich since has been moved to the Ukraine Nazi kill list. RobSZelensky Must Go! 18:33, June 17, 2025 (EDT)

Regarding libs. Insurrection "no king" - but king Obama was fine?

This from 2012 from palestinian Dean Obeidallah at liberal CNN:

Liberals want Obama to be a king, not a president.

Dean Obeidallah, Special to CNN. Updated 11:08 AM EDT, Fri June 8, 2012 [99]LaMarina (talk) 06:19, June 17, 2025 (EDT)

Thanks lamarina. Good catch.Telling (talk) 18:30, June 17, 2025 (EDT)

Trump: 'We want a real end to Iran threat, not a ceasefire'.

True leadership. Trump: 'We want a real end to Iran threat, not a ceasefire'. President expresses confidence in Israel's actions, hints at potential diplomatic moves.LaMarina (talk) 06:19, June 17, 2025 (EDT)

We have conflicting reports; last night after Trump's return to the White House reports said Trump ordered aids to reach out to Iran, this morning reports say Trump forbids negotiations. (This probably means Iranians didn't answer the phone last nite and now Trump's trying to CYA). RobSZelensky Must Go! 16:35, June 17, 2025 (EDT)

Iran, Russia, etc.

JFeed admits the obvious. JFeed admits what was obvious to me and others here, but not most:

Israel's strikes on Iran are about Russia.

This is the Deep State opening another front in its War of Russian Annihilation. They failed to bring Russia down in Ukraine, so now they're opening another front to increase the pressure. They are doing this, knowing full well that overthrowing the Ayatollahs could provoke a Russian invasion of Iran (possibly with Chinese assistance), and thus bring humanity closer to World War III.

America needs to wake up. Ukraine and Iran are not separate conflicts. They are one and the same. You cannot support one war but not the other. Consciously or not, you can only support both or oppose both.--Geopolitician (talk) 16:09, June 17, 2025 (EDT)

"Iran is on the verge of collapse. Hundreds of billions in Chinese investments may be wiped out."
This assumes China is willing to stand by and let it happen. RobSZelensky Must Go! 16:27, June 17, 2025 (EDT)
Geopolitician changed jfeed title. From "This Is the Real Reason the United States Is Entering the War." Geopolitician changed it to "Israel" why? In any case, both, Russia and China are standing aside despite agreements with Iran. And I don't blame them 😂 Telling (talk) 18:29, June 17, 2025 (EDT)
Good question as to why he changed the title in jfeed.Dianne3000 (talk) 19:24, June 17, 2025 (EDT)
There was a report of a Chinese airlift to Iran. Also, this morning a Telegram channel reported supposed criticism of Russia by the Iranian Foreign Ministry.
IMO, and I'll voice an opinion here, we're seeing the same ol same ol propaganda psyops here - the Western excitement about quick victories in a blitzkrieg and shock & awe campaign vs the realities of strategic decision to fight a war of attrition (in American terms, it can be called "perpetual war"). It won't be over in 12 days. The WaPo report this morning spells doom, likewise. It's the same trap - the US doesn't have the manufacturing base for what's needed, and the cost is too high. Likewise, the Trump admin just pee'd away $1 billion trying to defeat the Houthis, which the Biden regime could have told them was a wasted effort.
There's too much false pride and wishful thinking again getting in the way of reality and rational analysis. Sure, it makes good cannon fodder for psyops and propaganda, but is extending this perpetual war and sanctions against Iran another 50 years realistic? The idea of occupying Iran and setting up a Western-friendly puppet regime is crazy. Why?
Iran was never "conquered" or under "occupation" by "colonial" powers. It has too long a rich history of independence. RobSZelensky Must Go! 19:04, June 17, 2025 (EDT)
Iranians had a great history and they deserve better leaders. The reason they shut down the internet is because they fear their own people more than Israel. 'Nuff saidDianne3000 (talk)
Thierry Meyssan: Israel-Iran Relations That Were Hidden From You.
See for example:
“ Where Iran traffics in delay, Israel prefers immediacy: shock and awe, rapid domination, and the swift choreography of surrender. Its doctrine is animated not by patience but by the desire to overwhelm, rendering resistance unthinkable through sheer velocity and force. It is a strategy of visibility, spectacle, and risk, underwritten by the belief that deterrence is best secured through the demonstrative performance of unrestrained violence.... [100] ”

The Press Bureau of the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service

As to "Ukraine and Iran are not separate conflicts. They are one and the same", the Press Bureau of the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service reports,

UKRAINE AND BRITAIN ARE PREPARING TERRORIST ATTACKS IN RUSSIA

...The Russian Foreign Intelligence Service has information about the British-Ukrainian terrorist tandem preparing new acts of sabotage. The main goals of such subversive activity are to escalate the Ukrainian conflict, disrupt the Russian-American negotiation process and convince the White House of the need to continue full-scale military aid to Kyiv.

Currently, the Ukrainians, together with the British, are preparing provocations in the Baltic Sea. One of the scenarios involves staging an alleged Russian torpedo attack on a US Navy ship. The torpedoes of Soviet/Russian manufacture have already been handed over by the Ukrainian side to the British. It is planned that some of them will explode at a "safe distance" from the American ship, and one will not work and will be presented to the public as evidence of Russia's "malicious activity". The Ukrainian security forces are ready to take on the execution of the plan.

Another Ukrainian-British scenario involves, together with accomplices from northern European countries, accidentally fishing out Russian-made moored mines in the Baltic Sea, allegedly placed for sabotage on the international sea route. https://t.me/VoZmezdie2022/30549

JD Vance defends Donald Trump from Tucker Carlson's criticism

JD Vance defends Donald Trump from Tucker Carlson's criticism [101] Vice President JD Vance responded to criticism of President Donald Trump by isolationist right figures such as Tucker Carlson, who oppose America's support for Israel's operation against Iran's nuclear weapons program.

"Look, I'm seeing this from the inside, and am admittedly biased towards our president (and my friend), but there's a lot of crazy stuff on social media, so I wanted to address some things directly on the Iran issue: First, POTUS has been amazingly consistent, over 10 years, that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. Over the last few months, he encouraged his foreign policy team to reach a deal with the Iranians to accomplish this goal. The president has made clear that Iran cannot have uranium enrichment. And he said repeatedly that this would happen one of two ways--the easy way or the 'other"' way," Vance wrote on X.

-snip-

"Meanwhile, the president has shown remarkable restraint in keeping our military's focus on protecting our troops and protecting our citizens. He may decide he needs to take further action to end Iranian enrichment. That decision ultimately belongs to the president. And of course, people are right to be worried about foreign entanglement after the last 25 years of idiotic foreign policy."

"But I believe the president has earned some trust on this issue. And having seen this up close and personal, I can assure you that he is only interested in using the American military to accomplish the American people's goals. Whatever he does, that is his focus," Vance stated.Telling (talk) 18:19, June 17, 2025 (EDT)

Tucker was always on the wrong side vis-a-vis Iran. I remember his nightly shows. What a shame.Dianne3000 (talk) 19:27, June 17, 2025 (EDT)
Report: Trump fired National Security Advisor Mike Waltz for plotting with Israel's leader to bomb Iran. RobSZelensky Must Go! 19:46, June 17, 2025 (EDT)
I remember that rumor as a 'reason.' Post Signalgate.Telling (talk) 02:04, June 18, 2025 (EDT)
Vance statement admits that the war isn't about Iran building nuclear weapons, but all about processing levels of nuclear materials legally allowed and supervised daily by the IAEA. IAEA says no evidence of Iran planning or building a nuclear bomb. It's all about regime change. RobSZelensky Must Go! 15:18, June 18, 2025 (EDT)

German Chancellor: Israel is doing the world's 'dirty work' in Iran

Merz calls Operation Rising Lion 'the dirty work Israel is doing for all of us' in an interview about the conflict between Israel and Iran. June 17, 2025. [102]. He says what others think...Telling (talk) 02:05, June 18, 2025 (EDT)

He's not gonna last long, either. 6 mos. RobSZelensky Must Go! 08:25, June 18, 2025 (EDT)

Interactive Map: Iran - Real-Time Updates Rising Lion.

Interactive Map: Iran - Real-Time Updates Rising Lion/ LaMarina (talk) 04:23, June 18, 2025 (EDT)

Oh boy! Whoopi compares blacks in America to Iranians under Islamic regime

Stupid is an understatement. Whoopi Goldberg: Black People in U.S. ‘Same’ as Iranians Under Islamic Regime.LaMarina (talk) 14:09, June 18, 2025 (EDT)

This is MPR worthy. Thanks. RobSZelensky Must Go! 14:19, June 18, 2025 (EDT)

Most Americans are w/ Trump Vs (mullahcracy nuclear) Iran [Tucker lost]

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AG @AGHamilton29 Trump’s actual positions (vs the strawmen many are arguing against) are enormously popular with Americans outside the online influencer bubble. Open Source Intel @Osint613 UNBELIEVABLE 🔴🔴 According to CNN polling, a staggering 83% of Republicans and 79% of Democrats oppose Iran obtaining nuclear weapons. Nearly 7 in 10 Americans support U.S. airstrikes to stop Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Jun 18, 2025 [103] [104]LaMarina (talk) 14:19, June 18, 2025 (EDT)

Yah, if it were only true, Cat's out of the bag: it's a regime change war. RobSZelensky Must Go! 14:21, June 18, 2025 (EDT)
What a farce this is turning into. Most Americans think they should negotiate. Trump gives them til Sunday to sign. They agree to sign. Israel attacks on Friday and whacks the chief negotiator. Trump complains they didn't sign and there's nobody to negotiate with. RobSZelensky Must Go! 15:06, June 18, 2025 (EDT)
Yes, I saw the gateway and saw CNN..See Fox:

Trump's stance against Iran nuclear ambitions backed by vast majority of Americans: poll. Republicans show strongest backing for potential Israeli airstrikes while Dems remain skeptical. [105] LaMarina (talk)

The Ayatollah has opposed Iran's nuclear ambitions as well - since 2003. That's what is not being reported but is being lied about. RobSZelensky Must Go! 16:18, June 18, 2025 (EDT)

What a former Tucker fan wrote to me today

What a former Tucker fan wrote to me today:


“ I believe, Trump/Bibi and Arab neighbors (silently blessing Israel) can live with current regime intact provided: nukes free and a halt to proxies terror in the Middle East. However, it seems the stubborn Islamic Republic leadership is as stubborn as suicidal, which might then trigger regime change. ”

Part of a longer conversation.LaMarina (talk) 15:50, June 18, 2025 (EDT)

Ever since Rush Limbaugh died, Tucker inherited the status as the conservative movement's pre-eminent spokesman and influencer in the media. President's come and go. Tucker won't be easy to take down. RobSZelensky Must Go! 16:13, June 18, 2025 (EDT)
Rob, I miss Rush very much. Tucker is no Rush. (echoing this historic line...[106]LaMarina (talk) 16:26, June 18, 2025 (EDT)
Ok. then who is Rush's successor in shaping conservative opinion in the media? RobSZelensky Must Go! 16:29, June 18, 2025 (EDT)
James Carville: Tucker Carlson driving controversial Trump nominations.
Rush Limbaugh never had that kind of power & influence. Trump even took Tucker's former Fox News colleague Pete Hegseth as Defense Secretary. RobSZelensky Must Go! 16:39, June 18, 2025 (EDT)
Pete Hegseth "because" of Tucker being his former colleague? That's more than a stretch. Unless you meant it as in humor. Actually, Trump has been interested in Fox news, before or after Tucker. I used to watch Tucker too (though, like many, turned off each time he mentioned Iran with Glenn - it was cringey. We learned to 'switch off'). That is long pasé as by so many conservatives. Not to mention how much he lost when exited Fox.

Steve Bannon: MAGA will 'fall in line' if Trump attacks Iran. Former Trump chief strategist says the President has been consistent in his position that Iran cannot get nukes and even many Republican isolationists will trust his judgement on Iran. Israel National News. Published: Jun 18, 2025. INNTelling (talk) 17:52, June 18, 2025 (EDT)

Update: ABC News: Bannon told President Trump to question Israeli intelligence and Prime Minister Netanyahu's warnings. [107]
Hegseth's job is being an articulate spokesman for administration policy, not because he's experienced running a large executive department or familiarity with the Pentagon procurement process. Basically, a glorified "yes" man and not a decision maker. RobSZelensky Must Go! 22:08, June 18, 2025 (EDT)
I think J. Watters (among others) carries a lot of weight, as of now. BTW, Tucker really lost me and others Sep/2024 when he had[108] on Darryl Cooper.Telling (talk) 14:30, June 19, 2025 (EDT)
Lt. Col. Daniel Davis has similar sentiments: [109]
“ Come on, man. I mean, we're not stupid. And to go out there with this kind of a media circus, you know, environment - like this is a Fox News broadcast or something that, you know, the anchor Hegseth was given in the past.... ”
Jesse recently has had Daniel Davis on. RobSZelensky Must Go! 15:34, June 19, 2025 (EDT)

No1 MAGA Trump fan Loomer destroys Tucker, that he's influenced by Islamists linked to his hosting co.

Long post[110]. It generated millions of views. It seems Tucker camp is shrinking fast.LaMarina (talk) 06:41, June 19, 2025 (EDT)

Right. Tucker fans gonna dump Tucker for Loomer. That's a hoot. RobSZelensky Must Go! 12:33, June 19, 2025 (EDT)
Not really toward Loomer. I also used to like Tucker. I'm mot in Loomer's camp either. I might quote her though re Tucker.LaMarina (talk) 14:21, June 19, 2025 (EDT)

Putin says he does not want to discuss the possible Israeli-U.S. killing of Iran's supreme leader

From Reuters

Putin says he does not want to discuss the possible Israeli-U.S. killing of Iran's supreme leader. Putin said that Israel had given Moscow assurances that Russian specialists helping to build two more reactors at the Bushehr nuclear power plant in Iran would not be hurt in air strikes... Asked if Russia was ready to provide Iran with modern weapons to defend itself against Israeli strikes, Putin said a strategic partnership treaty signed with Tehran in January did not envisage military cooperation and that Iran had not made any formal request for assistance.LaMarina (talk) 08:41, June 19, 2025 (EDT)

Clarification: "I don't want to discuss the consequences of killing Khamenei". Evidently lost in translation. RobSZelensky Must Go! 12:31, June 19, 2025 (EDT)
Thanks for clarification.LaMarina (talk) 14:20, June 19, 2025 (EDT)

Tucker: “I do think, I'm sure I'm the lone voice in saying this, that Iran deserves to be annihilated. I think they're lunatics. I think they're evil.”

Laura Loomer @LauraLoomer: In 2012, @TuckerCarlson said, “I do think, I'm sure I'm the lone voice in saying this, that Iran deserves to be annihilated. I think they're lunatics. I think they're evil.” When you go to Qatar, it poisons your brain.[111]. IMHO. Both, 2012 and 2025 statements are crazy .LaMarina (talk) 14:18, June 19, 2025 (EDT)

I haven't followed the particulars in that debate, but the way it's stated, you make Tucker's flip flopping sound like Trump. RobSZelensky Must Go! 21:43, June 20, 2025 (EDT)

After Islamic Republic destroying hospital Soroka yesterdagy, today, a direct hit in Be'er Sheva

After destroying hospital Soroka yesterdagy. [112] (Iran’s claim, via state media, that it targeted a military site near Soroka is a blatant lie; the IDF’s Southern Command is over two kilometers away, and eyewitnesses confirmed the hospital as the primary target) - today, a direct hit in Be'er Sheva [113].LaMarina (talk) 06:25, June 20, 2025 (EDT)

Did you see Caitlin Johnstone, Destroying hospitals is bad again? Nothing gets past her. RobSZelensky Must Go! 21:33, June 20, 2025 (EDT)
I took a peek and she has the "cradle" garbage.LaMarina (talk) 07:49, June 22, 2025 (EDT)

IRAN Walking Tour in the Crowded Nights of Tehran Before Christmas 2025 (sic should read 2024)

Uncovered women prepare for Christmas. The massive psyop against the people of Iran and various religious and ethnic groups isn't likely to be successful. RobSZelensky Must Go! 13:50, June 21, 2025 (EDT)

US special military operation underway

  • Iran has over 70 underground sites. [117]
  • Trump: "All planes are now outside of Iran's airspace." [118] If the US has "full control" of Iran's airspace, why the hurry to get out?
  • Conflicting reports: Initially, 6 GBU 57s dropped. Now 12 dropped. That's interesting, considering only 20 were built and deployed twenty years after they were needed in the 1991 Gulf War. And that Iran has 70 underground sites designed after the specs of the GBU 57 became known and published.
I guess we'll just have to spend more money, huh? And design a bigger bomb and bigger, more expensive aircraft (than the $2 Billion a copy B-2) to deliver it over the next 20-30 years. Update: GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator Successor In The Works.
More conflicting reports: Israeli Army Radio reports that the US did not attack the enrichment facility in Isfahan that Israel had attacked, but rather another site. People often confuse "fog of war" with "war propaganda" and vice versa.
  • Geroman:

Iran was a bridge too far.

They forgot US defeat in Yemen recently.

If even IDF says get ready for a long operation you know - the Blitz has failed.

Iran won't strike US bases before Russia China and Iran have synchronised - but it will strike Israel and keep the Persian Gulf closed - Yemen will close the Red Sea - and the Suez Canal can be blocked any time.

The attack on Israel will go on for several weeks.

Meanwhile the operation to keep Israel running will eat billions of $.

Iran will take hits - and absorb them as Yemen did for 10 years. [120]

Arrow interceptors

See also: Attrition warfare

Larry Johnson:

Israel has a real problem with its air-defense system, especially with the Arrow interceptor missiles. Arrow interceptor missiles are built and assembled in Israel by Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI). The US Missile Defense Agency and MDA budgets have consistently funded half or more of the Arrow program annually—e.g., ~$119 million out of a $163 million total on Arrow 2 in FY 2014. Since 2003, Boeing has manufactured around 35–50% of critical components for both the Arrow 2 and Arrow 3 systems—covering electronics, motor casings, radar seekers, booster casings, and missile canisters—at its Huntsville, Alabama facility.
Arrow interceptors cost roughly $2.5–3 million each. During the past week, Israel has fired at least two Arrows for every single Iranian missile launched at Israel. It is estimated that IAI produces perhaps 20–50 Arrow interceptors annually, across both Arrow 2 and Arrow 3. Just do the math… Israel will run out of these missiles if Iran continues to launch multiple ballistic missiles, and neither Israel, nor the US, has the production capability to replace Israel’s supply. Oh, I forgot to mention… some of the Iranian missiles reportedly cost only $500,000. In other words, Israel is firing at least $6 million in Arrows to try to destroy a $500,000 Iranian missile. Fears in Tel Aviv and Washington that Israel will exhaust its supply of missiles is genuine. [121]

Report: Israel & US have used up 20 years worth of interceptor missiles. Their production is not easy or fast. They also spent most of the stocks on Ukraine earlier. Even Israel gave them Patriot missiles, which now would have been handy. It's obvious why they needed a ceasefire. [122]

We apparently now are in a period of Sitzkrieg, where Iran chooses the time and place of retaliation while the cost of maintaining war assets in the ME piles up. Also, being that the US chose to attack the Iranian homeland, that does not preclude the possibility of retaliation eventually on the US homeland. As well as the use of hybrid and asymmetrical warfare.

The vital question here is can Trump bring it to a successful conclusion before the 2026 Midterms?

We'll leave aside the US involvement in the coup and interference in domestic affairs in 1953 and calls for regime change, for now. Or the question of Iran's right to retaliate for those actions. RobSZelensky Must Go! 13:27, June 23, 2025 (EDT)

Update: Simplicius: Humiliation: Israel Tucks Tail After Failing All Objectives in War against Victorious Iran.

Human Events: EXCLUSIVE: CIA director told Mossad leaders to back down after Trump brokered ceasefire.

Trump's op. On Nuclear Iran

The Deep State won.

They finally got to President Trump. Who would've thought they would achieve their goal with a single false flag assassination attempt?--Geopolitician (talk) 22:38, June 21, 2025 (EDT)

  • Who is "they"? Sorry that Trump isn't influenced by Tucker? He has his own mind. LaMarina (talk) 08:04, June 22, 2025 (EDT)
You changed the topic title. Do you have authority to do that?--Geopolitician (talk) 12:26, June 22, 2025 (EDT)
President Trump drinks the neocon kool-aid. [123] RobSZelensky Must Go! 23:04, June 21, 2025 (EDT)
The Deep State and Israel were behind the Pennsylvania assassination attempt.
The goal was to spark war with Iran. If Trump died, the public outrage would be so great, that no matter who won the election we would go to war. And if Trump survived, he would then be manipulated into believing Iran was responsible, and with that at the back of his head he would negotiate with Iran in bad faith before going to war. Either way, war would break out.
The latter happened, and so far the plan has been a complete success. The Deep State and Israel won, for now. But they will be punished, in this life and/or the next.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:12, June 21, 2025 (EDT)
I am so sick of this American propaganda BS - they cheer like it's a touchdown on the opening kickoff when they haven't even got the ball out to the 35 yd line. RobSZelensky Must Go! 23:21, June 21, 2025 (EDT)
Dear RobSmith, we all knew that Trump was against the genocidal Islamist Iranians obtaining nukes. No? Will they finally negotiate in good faith, or will they still take him as a fool as before?LaMarina (talk) 08:04, June 22, 2025 (EDT)
We have the problem of a global recession getting in the way, first.
Democracy in action: Iran Majlis votes to CLOSE the Strait of Hormuz. [124] 12:00, June 22, 2025 (EDT)
Either this suicidal mission or coming to the table. Let's see if cooler heads prevail after Midnight HammerTelling (talk)

Guys, I would get gas NOW if I were you.--Geopolitician (talk) 12:27, June 22, 2025 (EDT)

There's a conspiracy theory that Trump bombed Iran because of BBB.

More specifically, Israel-first Congressional Republicans have been telling him behind the scenes that they would vote against BBB unless he bombed Iran. And those "no" votes would've been enough to kill BBB. So Trump gave them what they wanted to avoid the public humiliation which would inevitably come with BBB's defeat.--Geopolitician (talk) 14:34, June 22, 2025 (EDT)

Sundance endorses this theory.--Geopolitician (talk) 14:42, June 22, 2025 (EDT)
Possibly true. Trump apparently bombed Iran reluctantly. It was odd that he needed Vance, Rubio, and Hegseth standing behind him to lend moral support.
If they vote for the BBB, we can call it confirmation. RobSZelensky Must Go! 14:56, June 22, 2025 (EDT)
Monitoring services report that some ships, whose route is planned through the Strait of Hormuz, have begun to turn back after the Iranian parliament approved a decision to close the strait. [125] This is enough to begin affecting the pump price immediately. Other sources say Iran is not ready to upset the global economy yet. [126] This is why Araghchi is in Moscow talking with Putin, and not speaking with Rubio. RobSZelensky Must Go! 16:22, June 22, 2025 (EDT)
Some will never blame a nation [threatening to be] holding world hostage. Iran holds world hostage: Iranian government poised to SHUT Strait of Hormuz closing off 20 per cent of global oil and gasLaMarina (talk) 16:57, June 22, 2025 (EDT)
Report: Iran has begun jamming navigation systems in the Strait of Hormuz. Also, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Qatar on high alert.
It should be noted, any blockage or stoppage will not be universal, but only to countries deemed unfriendly or hostile. RobSZelensky Must Go! 20:41, June 22, 2025 (EDT)

realDonaldTrump: I will be giving an Address to the Nation at 10:00 P.M

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump: I will be giving an Address to the Nation at 10:00 P.M., at the White House, regarding our very successful military operation in Iran. This is an HISTORIC MOMENT FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, ISRAEL, AND THE WORLD. IRAN MUST NOW AGREE TO END THIS WAR. THANK YOU! [127]LaMarina (talk) 07:46, June 22, 2025 (EDT)

Trump trashes Conservative of the Year Thomas Massie, supports primary challenger

Yah, we have one conservative in Congress with enough gonads to stand up to warmongers and broken promises, and Trump trashes him. [128] RobSZelensky Must Go! 14:24, June 22, 2025 (EDT)

Trump calls Thomas Massie 'PATHETIC LOSER'

US President Donald Trump launched a scathing attack on Republican Congressman Thomas Massie of Kentucky, sharply criticizing him for opposing recent US military action in Iran. [129]LaMarina (talk) 16:50, June 22, 2025 (EDT)

Yah we know. That's what he said about Conservapedia Conservative of the Year Thomas Massie. RobSZelensky Must Go! 17:02, June 22, 2025 (EDT)
"Iran isn't killing Americans, cartels and FENTANYL are" - Conservative of the Year Marjorie Taylor Greene. [130] RobSZelensky Must Go! 22:27, June 22, 2025 (EDT)
Caitlin Johnstone: George Dubya Trump Seeks Regime Change In Iran. RobSZelensky Must Go! 00:42, June 23, 2025 (EDT)

'Tucker Carlson called and apologised': Trump's big revelation amid MAGA 'infighting' over Iran war. Trump's daily approval at Russmussen Reports is steady

Russmussen Daily Approval poll of likely voters (Rasmussen Reports correctly predicted Trump win in 2024) is steady: Daily Presidential Tracking Poll.

Vice President JD Vance praises Trump's 'decisive action' to destroy Iranian nuclear program with precision bombing.[131] Electionbettingodds.com shows a slight uptick in Vance's odds to be the next president.[132] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Conservative (talk)

Once again you place yourself out-of-the-loop. Nobody believes anything Trump says anymore. RobSZelensky Must Go! 10:27, June 23, 2025 (EDT)

For over a decade, Trump's position on Iran having a nuclear bomb has been clear: President Trump Has Always Been Clear: Iran Cannot Have a Nuclear Weapon, White House website. Conservative (talk) 10:42, June 23, 2025 (EDT)

Fine. That's a different issue from beginning a war of aggression and violating international law. RobSZelensky Must Go! 11:09, June 23, 2025 (EDT)
It is true that Trump's position was always "Iran Cannot Have a Nuclear Weapon." It's not about so called "neocon" etc. Israel was always fearful of it and hearing year in year out annihilation threats.Telling (talk) 17:24, June 23, 2025 (EDT)

Donald Trump was elected Conservapedia's Conservative of the Year 3 times. Thomas Massey was merely elected Conservapedia's Conservative of the Year once. JD Vance praised Trump's decisive action.

Donald Trump was elected Conservapedia's Conservative of the Year 3 times - the years of 2017, 2018 and 2024. Thomas Massey was merely elected Conservapedia's Conservative of the Year once (in 2022).

Vice president praises Trump's 'decisive action' to destroy Iranian nuclear program with precision bombing.[133]. Conservative (talk) 12:55, June 23, 2025 (EDT)

"Thomas Massie… he should be a Democrat because he's more aligned with them than with the Republican Party." - Karoline Leavitt.[134] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Conservative (talk)

Uh duh one problem is the "total obliteration" of Fordow is what is commonly known as BS propaganda. RobSZelensky Must Go! 13:37, June 23, 2025 (EDT)

Donald Trump was elected Conservapedia's Conservative of the Year only 3 times. A lack of indoor plumbing and flush toilets in Arctic regions has been cited as a just cause for war dozens of times in Conservapedia

[135]

45 years after Iran attacked the US, Trump took revenge

45 years after Iran attacked the US, Trump took revenge. Great reminder. Dianne3000 (talk) 09:17, June 22, 2025 (EDT)

By this logic, Trump should also bomb Israel for the USS Liberty (58 years ago), and bomb Saudi Arabia for 9/11 (24 years ago). Although I admit I would support the latter.--Geopolitician (talk) 14:36, June 22, 2025 (EDT)
Obama only emboldened the regime by hard [not earned] cash.

(There is still a certain group of people that still talk about that old accident...) As to Saudis, had they continued since attacking US--just like the Islamic Republic has been doing--you could have a point.LaMarina (talk) 17:00, June 22, 2025 (EDT)

One problem with this, "after 45 years" argument is, it also gives credence to the people who charge "Russophobia". Likewise, if "sovereign" Ukraine can chose to align itself with whatever nuclear powers it feels are in its best interests, so too does sovereign Iran have the power to make whatever national security decisions it deems are in its best interests. RobSZelensky Must Go! 21:37, June 23, 2025 (EDT)
Excuse the lengthy article, but it's so related to this discussion the lengthy bloody war by Iran upon US for decades. This was written by Daniel Greenfield 2 days before the Midnight Hammer op.

Iran Has Been at War With Us for 46 Years. "America can't do a damn thing against us". June 19, 2025 by Daniel Greenfield.

“America can’t do a damn thing against us,” Ayatollah Khomeini bragged while holding our hostages.

The Carter administration had undermined the Shah’s government in favor of the Islamists who seized power and then prevented the embassy’s Marine guards from defending the facility and the people inside against the Muslim ‘student’ groups who claimed to be coming in peace.

The “peaceful” student activists took over our embassy and held our people hostage.

Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei taunted President Trump with the same slogan in June after being asked to give up Iran’s nuclear weapons program. “Our response to the US nonsense is clear: they cannot do a damn thing in this matter,” he echoed his regime’s founder.’

Carter’s failure to defend Americans had turned Khomeini’s taunt into a confident slogan.

America couldn’t stop its diplomats and soldiers from being taken hostage and paraded through the streets. In subsequent decades, future administrations couldn’t stop other Americans from being taken hostage again, tortured and executed. By the end of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Iranian IEDs alone had accounted for as many as 1,000 American victims.

Qassem Soleimani, Iran’s IRGC terror mastermind, had thought that America couldn’t do a damn thing. In January 2020, President Trump taught him otherwise with a Reaper drone.

It was the first time in a long time that America had done a “damn thing” about Iran.

In 1983, Iranian backed terrorists set off truck bombs in Beirut that killed 220 US Marines and 21 other servicemembers. Mohsen Rafiqdoost, Khomeini’s bodyguard who helped found Iran’s IRGC terror force, boasted that, “both the TNT and the ideology, which in one blast sent to hell 400 officers, NCOs, and soldiers at the Marines headquarters, were provided by Iran.”

Beyond a few airstrikes, America didn’t do a “damn thing” because the intelligence proving Iran was behind the attack was suppressed so that it never reached Reagan. Eventually we placed multimillion dollar rewards on the heads of Hezbollah’s Ibrahim Aqil and Fuad Shukr who continued to live without a care in the world until Israel took them out after Oct 7.

The Biden administration assured the media that it had nothing to do with the Israeli strikes.

Over the decade, Iran’s Hezbollah proxies took dozens of American hostages. Some were released after months or years in exchange for concessions, while others were killed.

In 1984, Hezbollah kidnapped, tortured and killed CIA Station Chief William Francis Buckley whose identity they learned from classified documents seized from the embassy in Tehran. Buckley was transferred to Iran and tortured there, before being returned to Lebanon. Videos distributed by Iran’s Jihadistsshowed him in agony. “Buckley was close to a gibbering wretch. His words were often incoherent; he slobbered and drooled and, most unnerving of all, he would suddenly scream in terror, his eyes rolling helplessly and his body shaking.”

America once again did not do a “damn thing”.

In 1985, Hezbollah hijacked TWA Flight 847. One of the terrorists was Imad Mughniyeh who had also interrogated Buckley. Navy diver Robert Stethem was beaten and kicked to death before his body was dumped on the tarmac.

“They were jumping in the air and landing full force on his body. He must have had all his ribs broken,” Uli Derickson, the stewardess, described. “I was sitting only 15 feet away. I couldn’t listen to it. I put my fingers in my ears. I will never forget. I could still hear. They put the mike up to his face so his screams could be heard by the outside world.”

Instead of sending a message and holding Iran and its terrorists accountable, the United States made a deal to have Israel free hundreds of Jihadists.

In 1988, Hezbollah kidnapped Colonel William R. Higgins andtortured him for months. An autopsy found that he had been starved, the skin on his face had been partially removed along with his tongue and he had also been castrated. Finally his body was dumped near a mosque.

“I am one of a small handful of Americans who knows the exact manner of Rich’s death. If I were to describe it to you now – which I will not – I can guarantee that a significant number of people in this room would become physically ill,” a friend of Higgins stated.

Finally, decades later, in the last days of the Bush administration, the CIA teamed up with Israel to take out Mughniyah with a car bomb. America had finally done a “damn thing”.

But Iran continues to hold American hostages today like former FBI agent Robert Levinson.

In 1996, Shiite terrorists backed by Iran bombed the Khobar Towers killing 19 American servicemembers, but Iran was also pursuing other options including a new Sunni terror group.

Al Qaeda built a relationship with Iran. The 9/11 Commission noted, “Iran facilitated the transit of al Qaeda members into and out of Afghanistan before 9/11” (with the aid of Soleimani, later taken out by Trump) and “Al Qaeda members received advice and training from Hezbollah.”

After 9/11, some Taliban leaders relocated to Iran to fight America. By 2010, Iran was paying $1,000 for each American soldier killed and Iranian IEDs were claiming American lives.

After losing in Afghanistan, Al Qaeda relocated much of its operations to Iran.

Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah, Al Qaeda’s second-in-command, responsible for the bombings of American embassies across Africa, was taken out in Tehran in a joint Israeli-American operation during the first term of the Trump administration.

Saif al-Adel, the current leader of Al Qaeda, lives in Tehran and has been there for two decades. Even while supposedly in Iranian custody, he ordered the 2003 bombings in Saudi Arabia that killed 9 Americans.

As recently as last year, Iran and its terrorist proxies continued murdering American soldiers and contractors including Scott Patrick Dubis in 2023 and Sgt. William Rivers, Specialist Kennedy Sanders, and Specialist Breonna Moffett in 2024.

No matter how much politicians and social media influencers may insist that we’re not at war with Iran, the Islamic terrorist state has been at war with us for 46 years. And is still fighting us.

It only takes one side to have a war. Fighting back isn’t what makes the war endless.

Refusing to fight back or to fight back effectively is what makes wars endless....

Telling (talk) 03:15, June 23, 2025 (EDT)

Nothing about Iran-Contra, when the United States tried to make peace with Iran. RobSZelensky Must Go! 13:01, June 23, 2025 (EDT)

Putin's surprising reason for not providing war aid to Iran: 'Israel is almost a Russian-speaking country'

The Russian president was asked at a press conference why Moscow was not helping Tehran more and replied that 'almost two million Russian-speaking people live in Israel'; The Ukrainian president claimed that 20 of the bodies transferred by the Russians were actually those of their soldiers - including an unnamed Israeli citizen.[136]LaMarina (talk) 10:51, June 22, 2025 (EDT)

John Helmer:
Trump understands that unless he orders a halt to US arms supplies and battlefield intelligence to the regime in Kiev, Russia will not halt its arms supplies and intelligence-sharing with Iran. The sources add that for the time being Iran is not requesting fresh Russian aid. “Several individuals have been moved under Russian protection; these are individuals and families who have been moved into Russia. North Korean deliveries have been crucial in the run-up — they are basically Chinese. So Iran has not been lacking. They have been ready. Also, they have the capacity to fire several large missiles per day for several weeks, if not months, which the Israelis and Americans cannot stop. These will get through to Israel’s water, gas, and electricity plants, other fuel supplies, and ports.”

The assessment in Moscow is that Iran has demonstrated it has escalation control for the long term, and that in the short term Israel needs US re-supply, re-financing, and recovery more urgently than Iran. In exchange for Trump’s “ceasefire” to meet the Israeli requests, President Vladimir Putin has communicated that Trump must do nothing to block the acceleration of Russia’s offensive in the Ukraine.... [137]

Julian Macfarlane:

Israel has depleted at least half of its air defense munitions and lost probably 1/3 of its radar facilities. Its infrastructure has been heavily damaged in almost every aspect. It will require a lot of money before pampered Israeli citizens can get back their lifestyle. The US doesn’t really have the cash.

Iran is in much better shape. It has a solid industrial base and its factories are mostly undamaged. A pause will give it an opportunity not only to restore military infrastructure – but to upgrade it using Russian, Chinese, and North Korean technologies and specialists. It will also be able to use this time to root out Mossad and CIA networks—the ones responsible for targeting and killing scientists and their wives and children and all sorts of nastiness.

[...]

The “ceasefire” is an opportunity for Iran has to upgrade its defense systems, which are good but a decade olde and not impenetrable.

My research suggests that they are based on Chinese analogs of the S300, upgraded from the Russian version. The Iranians claim the Bavar 373 is comparable to the S400 system, and superior to the Chinese HQ 9 —but I have my doubts.

The Bavar can detect and destroy F35s which has forced the Israelis to use stand-off weapons and presumably a lot of EW, drawing on Mossad’s intelligence work on Iranian radars.... [138]

An unsettling message from former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev

Per his Twitter:

“ What have the Americans accomplished with their nighttime strikes on three nuclear sites in Iran?

1. Critical infrastructure of the nuclear fuel cycle appears to have been unaffected or sustained only minor damage.

2. The enrichment of nuclear material — and, now we can say it outright, the future production of nuclear weapons — will continue.

3. A number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads.

4. Israel is under attack, explosions are rocking the country, and people are panicking.

5. The US is now entangled in a new conflict, with prospects of a ground operation looming on the horizon.

6. Iran’s political regime has survived — and in all likelihood, has come out even stronger.

7. The people are rallying around the country’s spiritual leadership, including those who were previously indifferent or opposed to it.

8. Donald Trump, once hailed as ‘president of peace,’ has now pushed the US into another war.

9. The vast majority of countries around the world oppose the actions of Israel and the United States.

10. At this rate, Trump can forget about the Nobel Peace Prize — not even with how rigged it has become. What a way to kick things off, Mr. President. Congratulations!

”

--Geopolitician (talk) 12:50, June 22, 2025 (EDT)

This is supposedly a "one and done". [139][140] Not likely. That's actually a pretty tepid response by the Trump admin. RobSZelensky Must Go! 13:03, June 22, 2025 (EDT)
Trump has totally sold out. And yet most of his voters don't appear to be smart enough to realize it. --Geopolitician (talk) 13:17, June 22, 2025 (EDT)
Trump was elected in 2024 by a coalition in addition to the MAGA group. This certainly has fractured the coalition. He has until about February 2026 to re-establish himself as a peacemaker to salvage the 2026 Midterms, but it may already be too late. RobSZelensky Must Go! 13:27, June 22, 2025 (EDT)
First anti-Massie ad released. RobSZelensky Must Go! 22:23, June 26, 2025 (EDT)

Hope anti nuclear-Iran operations ends soon

Hopefully they wrap it up soon, as msjor objectives achieved. See this report: Israel ready to end war with Iran, report says. A halt to hostilities now would maximize the achievement of the US military's successful attack on Iranian nuclear facilities, Israeli and Arab sources told the Wall Street Journal; but everything depends on Iran's response to the US attack. YNetTelling (talk) 17:20, June 23, 2025 (EDT)

JD Vance interview: Trump announces Iran, Israel have agreed to 'complete and total ceasefire' - 12 day war ended.[141] Conservative (talk) 18:47, June 23, 2025 (EDT)
BFD. It means nothing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RobSmith (talk)
Congraats, Ken. With your (a) failure to consult; (b) naivety; (c) jumping the gun - now we have to report Trump is a liar on MPR to save our own credibility. [142] It's gonna be a long war. You have done enough damage to Conservapedia, conservativism and the MAGA movement already. Maybe we need a Topic Ban, again. RobSZelensky Must Go! 23:05, June 23, 2025 (EDT)

Despite Trump ceasefire announcement Iran has just attacked Israel repeatedly

Iran fires in 5 waves at least, at residents In Israel. Is it "final breaths"? Or 'in your face' at Trump? Iran's FM denies there is a ceasefire. Here's more:

Ceasefire? Iran Launches Fifth Missile Barrage at Israel This Morning. Is This a One-Sided Ceasefire? Since 03:50 AM, the IDF Has Reportedly Not Struck in Iran, According to Iranian Sources. [143]LaMarina (talk) 23:56, June 23, 2025 (EDT)

So Trump lied; what else is new? He won't get the Nobel Prize for lying. RobSZelensky Must Go! 01:19, June 24, 2025 (EDT)
Update: Iran launches missiles at northern Israel. Iran launched a ballistic missile at Israel, violating the ceasefire between the two countries just hours after it began.

see image of missile. INN In response: Katz declared that Tehran would be attacked, Trump: "Bring back the pilots!" The president accused Iran and Israel (-strangely enough) of mutual violation of the ceasefire agreement. Mako Some say the Qataris asked Trump to tell Israel to hold off responding to Iran attack.Telling (talk)

“ His word will be completely devoid of any meaning, because no one will know if it’s his actual position or just a decoy, a set up for what will later be an opposite stance. At some point, global leaders are going to get tired of being played. Let your yes be yes and your no be no.

One thing is for certain. Trump does not respect the sovereignty of other nation states. He’s the boss and he makes this clear. He likes to set deadlines and give ultimatums, all against the backdrop of military threats. He tells other nations’ leaders very publicly what they better do to make him “happy” and what they better not do to make him “unhappy.” Unhappiness may lead to “terrible consequences.” He loves drama.

If Trump continues to violate nations’ sovereignty, I can see a day when a coalition of nations will reach the point where they get fed up with Trump’s dramatic, almost theatrical approach, and conspire against him with the goal of beating him at his own game. Say one thing and do another.

”

—Leo Hohmann, Trump the dealmaker emerges from Israel-Iran war looking more powerful than ever

The whole affair looks like just another psyop. Amit Sengupta says it was probably cooked up by AI. RobSZelensky Must Go! 10:44, June 24, 2025 (EDT)
Why is Trump no longer trusted or taken seriously in the diplomatic and analytical community? Answer:
Trump no longer wants a change of power in Iran because he does not want to see “chaos,” – CNN
This should be taken seriously by Conservapedia Admin trolls who repeatedly spam Trump's words and links while having zero interest or understanding of context. They are doing damage to Donald Trump, the United States, and world peace. RobSZelensky Must Go! 14:40, June 24, 2025 (EDT)
“ In other words, this whole action has been the equivalent of kicking a hornet’s nest and opening Pandora's Box. Trump and Netanyahu are responsible for that and will have to deal with the ramifications, whether that’s next week, next month, or next year. In short, this war isn’t over. And Israel is in some ways much more vulnerable, because Iran has crushed the mystique of invincibility that surrounded Israel and its Iron Dome. It is penetrable for any nation with a large stock of advanced missiles. We’ve seen the ease with which Iran’s hypersonic missiles have come crashing down on Israel’s cities. ”

—Leo Hohmann, Trump the dealmaker emerges from Israel-Iran war looking more powerful than ever

I'm glad my hope/expectation came true. Israelis achieved: 1. weakening military top officials and 2.partially in nuclear capabilities facilities+scientists. And a warning to Iran as they were bossing Iranian skies the place, literally.

Trump achieved global respect that he does not chicken out as the media mocked him months earlier.Telling (talk) 15:48, June 25, 2025 (EDT)

The ceasefire looks like just a pause. RobSZelensky Must Go! 17:56, June 25, 2025 (EDT)

JPost on 'Rising Lion' high results/impression

Article claims: Israel's 12-day Iran war may have outdone the Six Day War - analysis (Snippet)

There was no one spot Israel could attack to end or shut down the program, and there were heavy concerns that the regime could sneak out to a nuclear bomb in a matter of months without anyone noticing.

It even built multiple sites under mountains, which were potentially immune to Israel’s limited weapons.

Finally, Iran had developed an astounding arsenal of powerful ballistic missiles, with estimates between 2,000-3,000 capable of reaching Israel and causing widespread devastation to Israeli cities.

The ballistic missile apparatus was also spread out in Iran’s enormous country to make it impossible to strike the Islamic Republic without facing a grave second strike ballistic missile capability against the Jewish state.

Even before these 12 days, Israel had carried out take-downs of Hamas and Hezbollah, and helped cause the fall of the Assad regime in Syria.

But in some ways, what it did during these 12 days was more important for all of the Iranian proxies to see – their leader pummeled into submission.

Why will they try to pick a large fight with Israel in the future if their leader and weapons provider cannot stand toe to toe with the Jewish state without being knocked out?

The vast nuclear program, while not entirely wiped out, may be set back at least two years, and may be set back enough to prevent it from making a comeback.

Israel did not hit one nuclear site – it hit dozens. And then sometimes hit those dozens multiple times. And its success convinced US President Donald Trump to join the fray and take out the Fordow nuclear site under a mountain.

Iran’s nuclear threat was the greatest existential threat Israel has likely faced since the 1948 war, when it was a weak group of militias that was just trying to survive and not lose too much land.

Jerusalem has removed the threat.

Not every ballistic missile is gone, but Israel managed to eliminate around two-thirds of the launchers, bringing Iran down from its desire to fire 500 missiles in a wave to 200 to 75 to 30 to closer to 10.

This required innumerable flights of 1,500 km., and even farther, to saturate many parts of Iran from where these missiles were being fired.

Israel has also been incredible on defense.

Iran fired around 500 ballistic missiles at Israel over the 12 days, killing only 29 Israelis, when IDF estimates had been that easily hundreds or more could have been killed.

These were not the weak and dumb rockets that made up most of Hamas and Hezbollah’s arsenal, which could be shot down by Iron Dome.

Many observers mistakenly think that missile defense success was expected because the Iron Dome has been a publicly known phenomenon for over a decade.

But these far more advanced and far more deadly missiles needed to be shot down by the advanced Arrow 3 system, which hits them up in the atmosphere.

That achievement on its own was a leap forward in missile defense that may force Iran and other adversaries of Israel to rethink their long-term strategies about how or if they can harm Israel.

I have my own opinion but it's an interesting take.Telling (talk) 16:58, June 25, 2025 (EDT)

We probably have enough for a 12 Day War article. Separate article or a Redirect to Rising Lion? RobSZelensky Must Go! 17:37, June 25, 2025 (EDT)

IMHO 'redirect.'Telling (talk) 17:38, June 28, 2025 (EDT)

NATO Secretary Warlord Tootie Fruity O'Rutte delivers a masterclass in bootlicking

  • "So let me applaud President Trump's long-standing leadership in calling for NATO to spend more on defence. <...> Mr President, dear Donald, it's because you're pushing us." [144] RobSZelensky Must Go! 01:10, June 25, 2025 (EDT)
  • "the ceasefire agreement in Ukraine must be strong enough to ensure Putin can never again take a single kilometer of Ukrainian territory from Americans". [146] RobSZelensky Must Go! 13:48, June 25, 2025 (EDT)
  • Politico: “It’s not just sucking up to the Americans. It’s not just that we’re doing all of this to please the Americans.” [147] Just what we need - a bunch of lackeys to lead into combat. RobSZelensky Must Go! 19:49, June 25, 2025 (EDT)

Korybko: Trump's disbanding of a secret "Deep State" working group raises hopes of peace with Russia

Excerpted: [148]

"The second scenario, however, might have speculatively been connected to Ukraine’s strategic drone strikes against Russia in early June. No one can say for certain whether or not Trump knew about this in advance, but Reuters’ revelation about the existence of this previously unreported “deep state” working group lends credence to those of his supporters who claimed that he didn’t. After all, it’s entirely possible that this was orchestrated by them without his knowledge, which he might have told Putin.

In the aftermath of the attack on Russia's Strategic Nuclear Forces, Trump was reported to have told Putin he had no advance knowledge of the attack or planning (ala Jack Kennedy and the Bay of Pigs). It is entirely possible that Putin had to tell Trump who in the Trump admin was responsible and what was happening in his own government. Russian counterintelligence most certainly had knowledge of the group as this would be a high priority for them. Firing the group would then be necessary for Trump to try to re-establish good faith with Putin, and we now can proceed with the confidence that existed before the attack. RobSZelensky Must Go! 02:14, June 25, 2025 (EDT)

CNN scare tactics "surging oil prices" days earlier - failed

Great. [149]Telling (talk) 16:20, June 25, 2025 (EDT)

Closing the Strait of Hormuz is probably an Ace that Iran is holding up its sleeve. RobSZelensky Must Go! 17:54, June 25, 2025 (EDT)

Google Searches For "Communist Control Act 1954" Soar After Zohran Mamdani's NYC Primary Victory

[150] Narcissism update: If memory serves, I created the original Wikipedia article on the subject in 2004. RobSZelensky Must Go! 17:05, June 26, 2025 (EDT)

President Trump threatens to sue CNN, New York Times over Iran intelligence report leak

Here we go again. Like Nixon suing the NYT over the Pentagon Papers and losing in SCOTUS, hiring Plumbers to fix leaks, and get run outta town (albeit not like JFK in a box).

I think I've seen this movie before. RobSZelensky Must Go! 23:07, June 26, 2025 (EDT)

Trump's "Iran obliterated" psyop, which apparently originated with Trump, is doomed to fail. RobSZelensky Must Go! 23:15, June 26, 2025 (EDT)

Update: Trump demands Iran turn over stockpiles that were obliterated. RobSZelensky Must Go! 14:46, June 27, 2025 (EDT)
Because of the differences of opinions, and as it's still early, I quote various stands re Fordow. including cautiously optimistic IAEA.Telling (talk) 17:16, June 28, 2025 (EDT)

Dictatorship in Ukraine is getting worse

Women are fighting military commissars to protect their husbands and sons from war. RobSZelensky Must Go! 21:12, June 27, 2025 (EDT)

Trump approval underwater, voters say US is on wrong track: Poll

Majority of voters believe the country is on the wrong track. The Hill.

What do you think? Should we headline it? The Trump Effect? Or do you guys wanna keep your head buried in the sand with fake news in a bubble and echo chamber? Ignorance is bliss, as they say. And willful ignorance must be double bliss. RobSZelensky Must Go! 03:11, June 28, 2025 (EDT)

Islamic Republic Iran, exposed: ALONE

Asides from lip service, no one from its supposed 'partners' (North Korea, Russia) lifted a finger. Telling (talk) 17:13, June 28, 2025 (EDT)

How Islam is Governing Iran’s Response to Israel and the United States

[151] I probably have enough information to write an Essay on Iran's unique position in Islam. While only 10%, they are probably the best educated and most qualified to represent Islam on the UN Security Council. But now again, we are beginning to see anti-Arab, anti-Sunni propaganda piggybacking on the anti-Persian anti-Shite propaganda - like we are suppose to forget that 10 years ago the West's support of ISIS had Sunni Arab's slitting throats and burning alive Shia Arabs & Persians.

I guess we in the West are just a bunch of mindless bigots, haters, and killers. At least that's what our globalist overlords and their propaganda matrix make clear how we and the rest of the planet should view ourselves - America and the West. RobSZelensky Must Go! 23:09, June 28, 2025 (EDT)

Of coarse, I don't have time to write such Essays cause User:Conservative insists to Andy that I write "counteressays" to stupid shjt like Why Russians should not use flush toilets, or some other stupid nonsense he wants to waste years and years of his life on, and other people's time. RobSZelensky Must Go! 23:13, June 28, 2025 (EDT)

The dark secret of Britain's new MI6 chief

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Blaise Metreweli, set to lead British intelligence in October, revealed as granddaughter of defector who collaborated with the Nazis in WWII. UK officials defend her, citing lack of personal ties to the past. INNTelling (talk) 17:39, June 28, 2025 (EDT)

She probably learned the business from the ol man. RobSZelensky Must Go! 18:06, June 28, 2025 (EDT)

Maybe this/her-grandparent's background will come up in the future.LaMarina (talk) 18:52, June 28, 2025 (EDT)

Her grandfather wasn't just a collaborator, he was a Banderite who served in the Waffen SS, resettled in the UK under the British version of Operation Paperclip, possibly executed by the NKVD, his 2 mo old infant son emigrated to the UK and granted citizenship in 1966{?). The Daily Mail reports that according to German records in Freiburg, the grandfather was involved in atrocities and had the nickname. "The Butcher". RobSZelensky Must Go! 19:05, June 28, 2025 (EDT)
Konstantin Dobrovolsky. RobSZelensky Must Go! 19:10, June 28, 2025 (EDT)
Dobrovolsky was a Ukrainian collaborator and SS officer, directly involved in Holocaust atrocities. He voluntarily defected to the Nazis [from the Red Army in August 1941], joining the SS, and left written confessions stating: “I personally participated in the extermination of Jews near Kiev.”
Maria Zakharova: "Because the trend is no longer subtle. Friedrich Merz, Annalena Baerbock, Chrystia Freeland, Salome Zurabishvili — and now Blaze Metreveli. One after another, descendants of Nazi collaborators are taking top roles in the so-called "collective West."
So, evidently "traditional family values" aren't dead in the West. Manson family values. RobSZelensky Must Go! 19:30, June 28, 2025 (EDT)
Nazi bloodlines: European elites’ dark past. Add Donald Tusk.
Dobrovolsky boasted that he "killed hundreds" of partisans.
Historians suspect he took part in the Babi Yar massacre, where SS auxiliaries stripped Jewish women, children, and the elderly, laid them in rows (the so-called Sardinenpackung), and shot them en masse over two days....Dobrovolsky led executions in villages like Sosyntsi, where 300 Jews were murdered. Witnesses later testified to his support of sexual violence by his subordinates...

Trump on China: ' ‘You don’t think we do that to them? We do’

Asymmetrical warfare

This is a brilliant terrorist tactic. It will devastate Volunteer Fire Departments and fire protection for small communities across America. RobSZelensky Must Go! 18:52, June 29, 2025 (EDT)

Canada trade talks update

Canada to commit to pay part of the Golden Dome R&D costs over the next x number of decades in order to resume trade talks. RobSZelensky Must Go! 22:54, June 29, 2025 (EDT)

Fixed typoLaMarina (talk)

WSJ: Neocon warmonger Lindsey Graham talked Trump into initiating war with Iran

Read it. Trump will end up like LBJ if he continues down this path. RobSZelensky Must Go! 08:34, June 30, 2025 (EDT)

A rather clear reaction from Latvians to the German language

It probably has people in Russia worried and concerned. RobSZelensky Must Go! 07:03, July 1, 2025 (EDT)

Max Blumenthal: Trump’s Machiavellian Strike on Iran and Israeli Disinformation

How Putin ditched Iran during the 12-day war with Israel: 'We gave them drones, but got no S-400s in return'.

Indian source: Russian President Vladimir Putin doesn't want to provoke Israel, which is home to over a million Russian speakers...


“ Russia has always maintained a good relationship with Israel, which Putin wants to preserve. Ian Garner, a geopolitical expert and an assistant professor of totalitarian studies at the Pilecki Institute in Warsaw, opines that even if the capacity did exist, Putin wouldn't want to provoke Israel, home to over a million Russian speakers. "Moreover, as Russian military production capacity has improved, Russia’s reliance on Iranian drone technology has decreased. Even if he could, Putin would have little to gain by aiding Iran militarily," Garner wrote in Unherd. ”

LaMarina (talk) 12:16, July 1, 2025 (EDT)

As I understand it, there were only one S-300 and one S-400 system in Iran, both guarding the Bushehr nuke plant where 200 Russian contractors operate the plant. But that's probably not the case anymore and Russian defense aid may have escalated.
One thing is for certain, Iran drone & missile exports to Russia have probably collapsed, but the North Korean military industrial complex is humming. RobSZelensky Must Go! 14:18, July 1, 2025 (EDT)
Russian technicians operate the S-400, just as American technicians operate the HIMARS & Patriot systems (with a native boy standing close by to press the launch button on command). So Russia does not want to go to war against Israel. RobSZelensky Must Go! 11:17, July 6, 2025 (EDT)

Pentagon halts some arms for Ukraine

'The decision was made to put America's interests first following a DOD review of our nation’s military support and assistance to other countries'. [152]

Sure, I'm sure User:Conservative is all for it now - since it's cost us $300 billion and 1 million dead.

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